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VonDoom
01-12-2017, 09:55 PM
Well, it was a fun two years:

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 8m8 minutes ago

Wade Phillips has agreed to terms to become Rams defensive coordinator, per source.

Hawgdriver
01-12-2017, 09:57 PM
Thank you Wade for the Lombardi.

ShaneFalco
01-12-2017, 09:57 PM
******* embarassing

GEM
01-12-2017, 10:03 PM
Well ****, don't we just look like a bunch of effing morons.

aberdien
01-12-2017, 10:07 PM
http://33.media.tumblr.com/02c504bf6cc6a6bf8d145d177882a45d/tumblr_nm3pgeRf2R1rpmrvyo1_500.gif

ShaneFalco
01-12-2017, 10:13 PM
letting a great coach go because of money.

dogfish
01-12-2017, 10:14 PM
f**k you, vance joseph! it's on you to get it done at the same level now. . .


thanks to wade for everything-- he goes out a champion. . .

VonDoom
01-12-2017, 10:14 PM
Mike Klis ‏@MikeKlis 6m6 minutes ago

Wade Phillips' departure made tough call easy for Broncos. They were NOT going to lose rising star Joe Woods to keep Wade. #9sports

ShaneFalco
01-12-2017, 10:18 PM
Mike Klis ‏@MikeKlis 6m6 minutes ago

Wade Phillips' departure made tough call easy for Broncos. They were NOT going to lose rising star Joe Woods to keep Wade. #9sports

all these randoms.

Rick
01-12-2017, 10:18 PM
I am still on the I will wait to see what Vance does with the team bit since he is the guy now, but all I can say is if the Broncos don't improve the offense and the defense falls out of the top 5, it is Elway that should be looking for a new job next year for this hire.

Vance better be the shit.

BroncoWave
01-12-2017, 10:18 PM
f**k you, vance joseph! it's on you to get it done at the same level now. . .


thanks to wade for everything-- he goes out a champion. . .

lol at this having anything to do with Joseph. All the writing on the wall was that wade was gone no matter who we hired. It's been trending this way for a few weeks.

chazoe60
01-12-2017, 10:18 PM
Sad to see him go but that's the business. Joe Woods is a rising star and the Broncos didn't want to lose him, it's a bummer to lose Wade but that's how the cookie crumbles.

Wade knows that we he fans love him and I doubt he would ever have to buy his own dinner in this state. He'll always be a Bronco at heart.

BroncoWave
01-12-2017, 10:20 PM
Oh, and also, :popcorn:

aberdien
01-12-2017, 10:25 PM
Patrick Daugherty ‏@RotoPat 33m33 minutes ago
Wade Phillips, born two years after World War II, will be working for someone who graduated high school in 2004.

BroncoWave
01-12-2017, 10:27 PM
My question to people who blame VJ for this, what was he supposed to do? Wade's contract was up. Was he supposed to hold him down and force him to re-sign? If you read between the lines, it's looked like Wade was as good as gone for weeks. For whatever reason, it just wasn't going to happen. It seems ridiculous to me to blame VJ, especially since he was brought up in coaching under Wade and probably has as much respect for him as anyone.

King87
01-12-2017, 10:29 PM
Goodbye. We love you.

Hold me.

Timmy!
01-12-2017, 10:31 PM
Thanks Wade.

Also... :pop2:

ShaneFalco
01-12-2017, 10:33 PM
i am glad you guys are eating popcorn while broncos lose coaches because of bringing up a bunch of cheap randoms.

BORDERLINE
01-12-2017, 10:33 PM
Love what Wade did with these guys and how they responded. Change isn't specially when things are going good like our defense was playing. But I feel this is new life being pumped into this team and we can get rolling on another chase for a ring.

God I hope Lynch takes major leaps this offseason.

King87
01-12-2017, 10:33 PM
i am glad you guys are eating popcorn while broncos lose coaches because of bringing up a bunch of cheap randoms.
Is woods really a random?

Timmy!
01-12-2017, 10:35 PM
Is woods really a random?

Shhhh. Don't question the football gurus. They know all.

OrangeHoof
01-12-2017, 10:57 PM
Wade will be a Bronco at heart.

and an Oiler.
and a Saint.
and a Bill.
and a Charger.
and a Cowboy.
and a Texan....

Northman
01-12-2017, 10:59 PM
Guess im the only one that isnt freaking out. lol

Shit happens and both players and coaches move on sometimes. It is simply how it goes. At least now VJ will not have a crutch to lean on and will have to sink or swim with his own staff, etc. Good luck to him and GO BRONCOS!

Jaded
01-12-2017, 11:20 PM
Careful what you wish for.

#Kubiakthangs

Denver Native (Carol)
01-12-2017, 11:21 PM
Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 28m

#Broncos will part ways with TE coach Brian Pariani... As expected, Offensive overhaul. @DenverChannel

Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 41m

In case of DeCamillis,Joseph liked him but wanted to interview candidates.Joe D did not want to wait. He's going to #Jaguars @DenverChannel

Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 1h

So #Broncos coordinators shaping up. Woods in line for DC. And team close to finishing deal w McCoy for OC job @DenverChannel

Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 1h

With Phillips gone, look for #Broncos to make secondary coach Joe Woods their DC.Players believe he's ready for role @DenverChannel

If the players feel that Joe Woods is ready for DC, that's definitely good enough for me.

Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 2h

#Broncos Joseph letting some coaches know he's going in different direction. Dennison and Barone won't be back

ShaneFalco
01-12-2017, 11:22 PM
https://media.giphy.com/media/L6JGhOhkwJSwg/source.gif

Jaded
01-12-2017, 11:23 PM
Apparently the players hated Pariani.

ShaneFalco
01-12-2017, 11:28 PM
Shhhh. Don't question the football gurus. They know all.

https://media.giphy.com/media/10zw9WF9BvVkL6/source.gif

Denver Native (Carol)
01-12-2017, 11:29 PM
Mike Klis ‏@MikeKlis 16m

Confirming Wade Philips near deal as Rams D-coordinator. Done tomorrow. Joe Woods/Reggie Herring will interview to replace him. #9sports

Mike Klis ‏@MikeKlis 35m

It's clear, especially on offensive side of ball, Vance Joseph wanted sweeping changes on coaching staff. #9sports

Mike Klis ‏@MikeKlis 36m

Interesting to see if Broncos retain QB coach Greg Knapp, RB coach Eric Studesville. I hope so. Two good guys, two good coaches. #9sports

Mike Klis ‏@MikeKlis 42m

Joseph calling coaches who will not be retained tonight. Among them OC Rick Dennison, ST asst Tony Coakum, OL asst Jim Cregg. #9sports

Northman
01-12-2017, 11:35 PM
Goodbye Dennison!

Denver Native (Carol)
01-12-2017, 11:38 PM
Jeff Legwold ‏@Jeff_Legwold 1h

People in the league have said all week they expected Phillips to go with McVay, if McVay got an HC job, no matter what happened in Denver.

Jeff Legwold ‏@Jeff_Legwold 1h

Vance Joseph and Joe Woods are long-time friends and it was actually Joseph who recommended to Gary Kubiak to hire Woods in Denver in '15.

Nomad
01-12-2017, 11:43 PM
I'm looking forward to this coaching staff that Elway has assembled. I'll always be grateful for what Wade did here, and good luck to him.

King87
01-12-2017, 11:47 PM
Careful what you wish for.

#Kubiakthangs

If Kubiak's only saving grace was Phillips then he shouldn't have been our coach in the first place.

Northman
01-12-2017, 11:49 PM
If Kubiak's only saving grace was Phillips then he shouldn't have been our coach in the first place.

Not only that but its not any of the fans fault that Gary's health was bad and he retired because of it.

Jaded
01-12-2017, 11:51 PM
If Kubiak's only saving grace was Phillips then he shouldn't have been our coach in the first place.

Yup, good riddance.

Jaded
01-13-2017, 12:01 AM
Belicheat wins his first SB on the strength of his defense (and cheating) and absolutely ballsy navigation of a tough QB situation; "We should trade two 1st round picks for him"

Kubiak wins his first SB on the strength of his defense and absolutely ballsy navigation of a tough QB situation; "Maybe he should have never been our HC in the first place"

BroncoJoe
01-13-2017, 12:03 AM
Belicheat wins his first SB on the strength of his defense (and cheating) and absolutely ballsy navigation of a tough QB situation; "We should trade two 1st round picks for him"

Kubiak wins his first SB on the strength of his defense and absolutely ballsy navigation of a tough QB situation; "Maybe he should have never been our HC in the first place"

Not all posters can be as smart as you and me, Jaded.

Northman
01-13-2017, 12:05 AM
What is it with posters recently going all emo?

BroncoJoe
01-13-2017, 12:07 AM
Best wishes, Wade. Appreciate all you have done for the Broncos.

I'm excited for next year. Hopefully it's not short lived.

Timmy!
01-13-2017, 12:11 AM
What is it with posters recently going all emo?

Recently?

Northman
01-13-2017, 12:12 AM
Recently?

More than usual.

Timmy!
01-13-2017, 12:14 AM
More than usual.

People fear change.

King87
01-13-2017, 12:17 AM
Not all posters can be as smart as you and me, Jaded.



Belicheat wins his first SB via cheating and a big time QB/game manager and the defense he crafted.

Kubiak wins his first SB on a defense he had nothing to do with sans hiring a well known DC stud who did the heavy lifting in spite of Kubiak's shitty offense.


And they say I'm arrogant. Meet Joe.

MOtorboat
01-13-2017, 12:19 AM
So be it. It seems Elway wanted change after he knew Kubiak was done.

NightTerror218
01-13-2017, 12:22 AM
I am happy with joe woods and not an overhaul on defense.

Wish not a ST overhaul though.

sneakers
01-13-2017, 12:38 AM
So long and thanks for all the fish!

GEM
01-13-2017, 12:41 AM
Side note...when did Mo and Wave become such good friends? :lol:

GEM
01-13-2017, 12:41 AM
DeCamilis gone to the Jagoffs.

sneakers
01-13-2017, 12:41 AM
On second thought we will probably bring him back in 20 years after he is fired as HC of the London Jaguars

GEM
01-13-2017, 12:45 AM
Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 28m

#Broncos will part ways with TE coach Brian Pariani... As expected, Offensive overhaul. @DenverChannel

Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 41m

In case of DeCamillis,Joseph liked him but wanted to interview candidates.Joe D did not want to wait. He's going to #Jaguars @DenverChannel

Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 1h

So #Broncos coordinators shaping up. Woods in line for DC. And team close to finishing deal w McCoy for OC job @DenverChannel

Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 1h

With Phillips gone, look for #Broncos to make secondary coach Joe Woods their DC.Players believe he's ready for role @DenverChannel

If the players feel that Joe Woods is ready for DC, that's definitely good enough for me.

Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 2h

#Broncos Joseph letting some coaches know he's going in different direction. Dennison and Barone won't be back

The last line is the best thing I've read on this board in a long time!!

BroncoWave
01-13-2017, 12:52 AM
Side note...when did Mo and Wave become such good friends? :lol:

MO got smarter clearly. :D

It is funny to think we used to be at each other's throats constantly.

King87
01-13-2017, 12:54 AM
Wave is my only message board friend. The masses have turned on me.

BroncoJoe
01-13-2017, 12:54 AM
Belicheat wins his first SB via cheating and a big time QB/game manager and the defense he crafted.

Kubiak wins his first SB on a defense he had nothing to do with sans hiring a well known DC stud who did the heavy lifting in spite of Kubiak's shitty offense.


And they say I'm arrogant. Meet Joe.

Lighten up, Alice.

GEM
01-13-2017, 12:54 AM
MO got smarter clearly. :D

It is funny to think we used to be at each other's throats constantly.

The 2 of you clearly were out to kill each other back in the day, now youre besties. :lol:

King87
01-13-2017, 12:56 AM
Lighten up, Alice.

If you were a hero, would you ride in to say the day on a horse?

BroncoWave
01-13-2017, 12:57 AM
Wave is my only message board friend. The masses have turned on me.

#stylebrothers4lyfe

Jaded
01-13-2017, 12:58 AM
Belicheat wins his first SB via cheating and a big time QB/game manager and the defense he crafted.

Kubiak wins his first SB on a defense he had nothing to do with sans hiring a well known DC stud who did the heavy lifting in spite of Kubiak's shitty offense.


And they say I'm arrogant. Meet Joe.

I forgive you, Kinger.

King87
01-13-2017, 12:59 AM
I forgive you, Kinger.

:beer:

BroncoJoe
01-13-2017, 01:00 AM
If you were a hero, would you ride in to say the day on a horse?

I grew up with horses, but don't recall ever saying "the day" while riding them.

King87
01-13-2017, 01:01 AM
I grew up with horses, but don't recall ever saying "the day" while riding them.

Would you ride one in to save the day? If you were a hero, Joe?

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
01-13-2017, 01:01 AM
I have a couple questions:

What year was it when Tebow and the Broncos hung over 30 points on the Texans and Tebow had over 300 yards passing?

Who's D was it that Tebow torched?

We will be fine without Wade. The Texans had a historically bad defense that year. Players have a lot to do with how good a coordinator looks. I think we'll fill holes up the middle of the defense and be better than we were in 16'.

BroncoJoe
01-13-2017, 01:05 AM
Would you ride one in to save the day? If you were a hero, Joe?

Perhaps. Not sure. I'd consider myself more of a Bruce Wayne type of hero though with lots of toys.

King87
01-13-2017, 01:06 AM
Perhaps. Not sure. I'd consider myself more of a Bruce Wayne type of hero though with lots of toys.

Well, the next time you're on a horse, remember these words: "**** you Joe, and the horse you rode in on!"

;)

BroncoJoe
01-13-2017, 01:07 AM
Well, the next time you're on a horse, remember these words: "**** you Joe, and the horse you rode in on!"

;)

Bait fail.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
01-13-2017, 01:08 AM
Well, the next time you're on a horse, remember these words: "**** you Joe, and the horse you rode in on!"

;)

Everybody knows Bruce Wayne doesn't ride a horse.

King87
01-13-2017, 01:10 AM
Everybody knows Bruce Wayne doesn't ride a horse.

He's been on a horse. Go away. I still hate you.

ShaneFalco
01-13-2017, 01:14 AM
I have a couple questions:

What year was it when Tebow and the Broncos hung over 30 points on the Texans and Tebow had over 300 yards passing?

Who's D was it that Tebow torched?

We will be fine without Wade. The Texans had a historically bad defense that year. Players have a lot to do with how good a coordinator looks. I think we'll fill holes up the middle of the defense and be better than we were in 16'.

tebow is a great QB, the texans were no match

dogfish
01-13-2017, 01:17 AM
Perhaps. Not sure. I'd consider myself more of a Bruce Wayne type of hero though with lots of toys.

i'd say more like john wayne. . .

Jaded
01-13-2017, 01:32 AM
In my mind I see myself as the moody anti-hero, babes wanna do me and dudes wanna be me. Saving the town is mostly an inconvenience as I wander through on my black horse named Blackjack.

In reality I gotta stretch out my ankles just to walk to the bathroom when I take a piss five times a night.

King87
01-13-2017, 01:34 AM
Jaded, you strike me as the punisher.

Jaded
01-13-2017, 01:43 AM
Jaded, you strike me as the punisher.

Deadpool.

King87
01-13-2017, 01:43 AM
Deadpool.

You're not funny. You can't be Deadpool.

Jaded
01-13-2017, 01:48 AM
You're not funny. You can't be Deadpool.

I'm funny to myself, quintessential Deadpool.

King87
01-13-2017, 01:48 AM
I'm funny to myself, quintessential Deadpool.

No. Deadpool is objectively funny and breaks the fourth wall. You are...barely funnier than NTL and only break you wife's walls you big dicked *******.

Jaded
01-13-2017, 01:57 AM
No. Deadpool is objectively funny and breaks the fourth wall. You are...barely funnier than NTL and only break you wife's walls you big dicked *******.

This feels like a personal attack.

Shazam!
01-13-2017, 07:02 AM
What is it with posters recently going all emo?

Um, did you forget Tebow? Was only five years ago lol

chazoe60
01-13-2017, 07:06 AM
MO got smarter clearly. :D

It is funny to think we used to be at each other's throats constantly.

You mean, like, necking? Gross.

Rick
01-13-2017, 08:02 AM
In my mind I see myself as the moody anti-hero, babes wanna be me and dudes wanna do me. Saving the town is mostly an inconvenience as I wander through on my black horse named Blackjack.

In reality I gotta stretch out my ankles just to walk to the bathroom when I take a piss five times a night.

hmm, whatever floats your boat.

Slick
01-13-2017, 09:06 AM
Bummer! I wanted Wade to stay. Shitty news to wake up to.

VonDoom
01-13-2017, 09:21 AM
Wade Phillips ‏@sonofbum 34m34 minutes ago

Thanks to John for bringing me ,the Greatest staff ,To Gary our leader ,to the Best players ever and to The greatest fans. I will miss you

Wade Phillips ‏@sonofbum 26m26 minutes ago

Congrats to my friend Vance Great hire by John Elway.Don't worry about the D. Vance knows what I know ,Plus what he knows about Defense !

chazoe60
01-13-2017, 09:24 AM
Wade is the man.

Freyaka
01-13-2017, 09:47 AM
******* embarassing

Yes our fanbase is totally embarrassing....

TXBRONC
01-13-2017, 09:49 AM
I'm looking forward to this coaching staff that Elway has assembled. I'll always be grateful for what Wade did here, and good luck to him.

If Woods gets the defense to same level Phillips did people will have nothing to be consternatated about when it comes to the defense.

Freyaka
01-13-2017, 09:54 AM
I am happy with joe woods and not an overhaul on defense.

Wish not a ST overhaul though.

I for one welcome our new special teams overlord.....


At least there won't be anymore Norwood...

EastCoastBronco
01-13-2017, 10:44 AM
Jesus ******* wept...

Freyaka
01-13-2017, 10:46 AM
I'm sad that Wade's gone, but I'm confident in Woods. The heart and soul of our defense is the No Fly Zone. This man is fairly responsible for it. (he's got a strong history of coaching some great, great corners in his career)

I think we'll look back on this a year from now and realize it wasn't that bad.

BroncoWave
01-13-2017, 10:46 AM
To everyone jumping off a bridge remember we will still have the same personnel and the same scheme next year. The D isn't going to suddenly fall off a cliff because Wade isn't there.

broncofaninfla
01-13-2017, 11:03 AM
Vance is facing an uphill battle being accepted by the fans in letting Wade walk. If this defense slips at all next season he won't have fan support.

broncofaninfla
01-13-2017, 11:15 AM
Wade and Joe Collier were the two best DC's this team has ever had. Just doesn't make sense at this point to let Wade walk.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
01-13-2017, 11:16 AM
Vance is facing an uphill battle being accepted by the fans in letting Wade walk. If this defense slips at all next season he won't have fan support.
It won't slip. The middle of the defense will improve personnel wise which will make him look good.

I'm also persuaded having a healthy CJ and healthy Virgil Green will go a long way to making McCoy look good.

Denver Native (Carol)
01-13-2017, 11:20 AM
Last night, Adam Schefter was talking on ESPN about Wade going to the Rams. He said that the Rams new coach McVay and Wade's son Wes became good friends while at Washington. Also, Adam said that Wade's daughter lives in the LA area.

And there is this


Phillips’s son, Wes, serves as tight ends coach for the Redskins. But there is wide speculation that he might join McVay at the Rams, and the prospect of his father serving as defensive coordinator has heightened the speculation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2017/01/12/redskins-to-interview-veteran-wade-phillips-for-defensive-coordinator-job/

Who knows, maybe part of the deal of Wade accepting the job with the Rams was that his son Wes would also be hired. If that is the case, Wade and his wife would be in LA where their daughter and son are also.

Freyaka
01-13-2017, 11:22 AM
To everyone jumping off a bridge remember we will still have the same personnel and the same scheme next year. The D isn't going to suddenly fall off a cliff because Wade isn't there.

I agree with you, but Vance better hope you are right. Fans aren't going to give him any leway if the defense falters (Nevermind the fact that Wade would have likely left regardless) Fans will blame him for Wade leaving and if the defense is bad, they'll get vocal like an idiot lynch mob.

Freyaka
01-13-2017, 11:23 AM
Wade and Joe Collier were the two best DC's this team has ever had. Just doesn't make sense at this point to let Wade walk.

Wade was a free agent...We can't force him to stay, if he wanted to go to LA, nothing we could do would stop him. Besides, we either lose Wade who might be here another year, or we retain Woods and he might be here a lot longer.

Cugel
01-13-2017, 11:25 AM
I am still on the I will wait to see what Vance does with the team bit since he is the guy now, but all I can say is if the Broncos don't improve the offense and the defense falls out of the top 5, it is Elway that should be looking for a new job next year for this hire.

Vance better be the shit.

You know that Elway isn't going anywhere whether this move works or not. Elway says he wants to "strengthen the defense, work on the offense" and that's why he hired Joseph.

He wanted some guy who wouldn't be associated with any one side of the ball - Joseph. But, because Joseph is a defensive coordinator he's going to want some input into the defense.

They weren't willing to let Woods go in order to keep Wade. They want a long term staff. But, this is also wrong. If Joe Woods does a great job with the defense, he'll be a head coaching candidate within a couple of years.

Phillips wouldn't because he's nearing retirement and he's already been a head coach twice and failed twice. My guess is that Wade will be longer with the Rams than Woods is the DC here. Brilliant hire by the Rams of course. They hire a 30 year old dude to be their head coach, and then hire Wade who has lots of head coaching experience.

I hate losing Phillips and equally hate getting McCoy. I can understand why they wanted him, because Joseph has no previous head coaching experience, so they wanted to bring in a guy who can help him, who has that experience. But, I don't like it. At all.

There's virtually no where for this defense to go but down. They lost Malik Jackson and Danny Trevathan and the players that replaced them didn't do a good job. They are losing a Hall of Fame player in DeMarcus Ware and there's no way that Shane Ray is ever going to play at that same level. They have to replace Slyvester Williams who underwhelmed as a starter, but is now a FA so he'll get a big contract somewhere.

Remember that Malik got $15 M a year from Jacksonville? Is he worth average QB money? No. Williams will get more money somewhere else and the defense is more likely to be worse next year than better because (at best) they are going to have a rookie NT.

If they kept Wade the inevitable slow decline of this defense would be less. But, the 86-87 Bears, the 2002-03 Ravens, the 2003-4 Bucs defenses all continuously declined. The 2016 Seahawks defense isn't the same as the 2013 SB winning team's defense. Still good but not as good as the defense that throttled Peyton Manning in that SB. The Broncos defense did the same in 2016; and that is the way things always go in the NFL.

dogfish
01-13-2017, 11:58 AM
Wade was a free agent...We can't force him to stay, if he wanted to go to LA, nothing we could do would stop him.

lol!!! we couldn't "force" him to stay, but we probably could have at least made him an offer. . . it's clear that he wasn't wanted here anymore, not the other way around. . . he hoped to stay here in denver, he publicly said so himself-- furthermore, he waited until our new coach was hired before interviewing anywhere else. . . if it was his plan to go, he could have just gone, not waited on us. . . let's not twist shit with revisionist history to make ourselves feel better about it. . . we made our choice to go with the younger, cheaper option. . . it is what it is, and now we get to wait and see if it works out. . .

Freyaka
01-13-2017, 12:10 PM
lol!!! we couldn't "force" him to stay, but we probably could have at least made him an offer. . . it's clear that he wasn't wanted here anymore, not the other way around. . . he hoped to stay here in denver, he publicly said so himself-- furthermore, he waited until our new coach was hired before interviewing anywhere else. . . if it was his plan to go, he could have just gone, not waited on us. . . let's not twist shit with revisionist history to make ourselves feel better about it. . . we made our choice to go with the younger, cheaper option. . . it is what it is, and now we get to wait and see if it works out. . .

So overdramatic "It's clear he wasn't wanted here anymore"

The writing's been on the wall. Wade wanted big money (like HC money) John didn't want to give it. It's not that he wasn't wanted, he priced himself out of the team.


Furthermore, he waited until our new coach was hired before interviewing anywhere else. . . if it was his plan to go, he could have just gone, not waited on us. .

That's your take on it anyways...My take is he was waiting for McVay to be hired by the Rams, otherwise he was going to head to Washington, but neither was a rush since he couldn't take either job until he knew for sure McVay was going to get hired (He has family ties in LA and to McVay as McVay is friends with his son) McVay was hired yesterday so lay off the accusations of "revisionist history" when you can't even get your own facts straight

Cugel
01-13-2017, 12:14 PM
lol!!! we couldn't "force" him to stay, but we probably could have at least made him an offer. . . it's clear that he wasn't wanted here anymore, not the other way around. . . he hoped to stay here in denver, he publicly said so himself-- furthermore, he waited until our new coach was hired before interviewing anywhere else. . . if it was his plan to go, he could have just gone, not waited on us. . . let's not twist shit with revisionist history to make ourselves feel better about it. . . we made our choice to go with the younger, cheaper option. . . it is what it is, and now we get to wait and see if it works out. . .

The Broncos forced Wade out. When he rejected an extension of his contract without a raise, they just dropped the matter and moved on without him. He left because he knew he wasn't going to be asked back. They weren't going to pay him what he wanted. And Elway placed more value on keeping Joe Woods whom they believed would wind up getting a DC job somewhere else if they didn't promote him.

Maybe he will stay here a long time, but that would presume that the defense slowly declines rather than continues to play at a very high level or even gets better. In that case he won't be a hot head coaching prospect. But, if he has success in a year or two he'll start getting interviewed for a head coaching job.

Bronco4ever
01-13-2017, 12:19 PM
Wade was a free agent...We can't force him to stay, if he wanted to go to LA, nothing we could do would stop him. Besides, we either lose Wade who might be here another year, or we retain Woods and he might be here a lot longer.

As much as I love Wade, this is definitely the silver lining in all of this. Having Wade for the immediate future would be great, but at 70 years old (or close to that) we just can't expect him to be here long term. I watched a mic'ed up video of Woods and the dude has a ton of energy and is extremely knowledgeable.

I was also thinking about in the Shanny years that we had 8 DC's in 8 years or something like that. I think we all wish we had a stable DC for 5+ years, but that just doesn't seem to be the norm any more. Hopefully Wood will stick long enough to give us some stability.

Nomad
01-13-2017, 12:24 PM
Must be rough being a BRONCO fan to be absolutely sure that doom and gloom is the future of the BRONCOS.

atwater27
01-13-2017, 12:24 PM
Should have paid the man. He is elite, and a proven commodity. I would actually rather have had Elway pay Wade Phillips and let Von Miller go if this is all about money. Hate away.

BroncoJoe
01-13-2017, 12:28 PM
Should have paid the man. He is elite, and a proven commodity. I would actually rather have had Elway pay Wade Phillips and let Von Miller go if this is all about money. Hate away.

Yeah - that's a pretty stupid comment.

Denver Native (Carol)
01-13-2017, 12:32 PM
Mike Klis ‏@MikeKlis 52s

Tyke Tolbert had chance to become Titans WR coach, but turned down to stay with Broncos, as @CameronWolfe first reported. #9sports

Emmanuel Sanders ‏@ESanders_10 15m

I'm told Tyke Tolbert will stay as #Broncos WR coach. Great retention for #Broncos.

Denver Native (Carol)
01-13-2017, 12:38 PM
Wade Phillips ‏@sonofbum 4h

Congrats to my friend Vance Great hire by John Elway.Don't worry about the D. Vance knows what I know ,Plus what he knows about Defense !

Freyaka
01-13-2017, 12:40 PM
Wade Phillips ‏@sonofbum 4h

Congrats to my friend Vance Great hire by John Elway.Don't worry about the D. Vance knows what I know ,Plus what he knows about Defense !

Love wade, he's funny and a class act, but I have full faith in Woods. We'll be alright. Who knows, Vance is a 3-4 guy and ran 4-3 last year, could have been out of his element last season, but regardless I'm confident in Woods. The doom and gloom around these parts is not warranted.

atwater27
01-13-2017, 12:42 PM
Yeah - that's a pretty stupid comment.

Is that all you got bitch?

Freyaka
01-13-2017, 12:43 PM
As much as I love Wade, this is definitely the silver lining in all of this. Having Wade for the immediate future would be great, but at 70 years old (or close to that) we just can't expect him to be here long term. I watched a mic'ed up video of Woods and the dude has a ton of energy and is extremely knowledgeable.

I was also thinking about in the Shanny years that we had 8 DC's in 8 years or something like that. I think we all wish we had a stable DC for 5+ years, but that just doesn't seem to be the norm any more. Hopefully Wood will stick long enough to give us some stability.

The thing with Wood is, if Vance doesn't work out, Wood will. Not only will Wood be our DC for a year or two, but he's also a solid backup plan for head coach in 2-3 years if it turns out Vance was a bad idea. Wood is no joke! The guy has a lot of potential.

Denver Native (Carol)
01-13-2017, 12:44 PM
Nicki Jhabvala Retweeted
Rich Cimini ‏@RichCimini 2h

The Jets already have interviewed Broncos RBs coach Eric Studesville for their offensive-coordinator vacancy, a... http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0611572643140738188-4 …

Freyaka
01-13-2017, 12:50 PM
Nicki Jhabvala Retweeted
Rich Cimini ‏@RichCimini 2h

The Jets already have interviewed Broncos RBs coach Eric Studesville for their offensive-coordinator vacancy, a... http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0611572643140738188-4 …

Honestly, I wish him the best and hope he gets it. I'm kinda surprised with our consistent issues in the run game that he's lasted as long as he has. The rungame issues aren't entirely on him (mostly on the line) and I have no ill will towards him, but it's time to try something new there.

NightTerror218
01-13-2017, 12:54 PM
Just read wades daughter lives in LA and afds to reason he wanted to go LA.

Denver Native (Carol)
01-13-2017, 01:07 PM
Am I the only one who finds it strange that McVay was hired as the Rams HC yesterday, and that Wade was hired as the Rams DC yesterday? Is there a chance that McVay contacted Wade and gave him a "what if scenario" before the Rams made him their HC?

AND


McVay was called in for a second interview with the Rams on Wednesday, a league source told ESPN's Adam Schefter.

If McVay becomes a head coach this coming season, his top choice for defensive coordinator would be Wade Phillips

http://www.espn.com/blog/los-angeles-rams/post/_/id/32687/rams-get-second-interview-with-redskins-oc-sean-mcvay

If McVay was using Wade as a selling point to the Rams, he had to be POSITIVE that Wade would (already did) agree to be the DC.

BroncoWave
01-13-2017, 01:11 PM
Should have paid the man. He is elite, and a proven commodity. I would actually rather have had Elway pay Wade Phillips and let Von Miller go if this is all about money. Hate away.

Wow, that might be the dumbest take I have ever read on this message board.

The Glue Factory
01-13-2017, 01:11 PM
Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 2h

#Broncos Joseph letting some coaches know he's going in different direction. Dennison and Barone won't be back


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUZEtVbJT5c

BroncoWave
01-13-2017, 01:13 PM
lol!!! we couldn't "force" him to stay, but we probably could have at least made him an offer. . . it's clear that he wasn't wanted here anymore, not the other way around. . . he hoped to stay here in denver, he publicly said so himself-- furthermore, he waited until our new coach was hired before interviewing anywhere else. . . if it was his plan to go, he could have just gone, not waited on us. . . let's not twist shit with revisionist history to make ourselves feel better about it. . . we made our choice to go with the younger, cheaper option. . . it is what it is, and now we get to wait and see if it works out. . .

You putting this on VJ is laughable. If Elway really wanted wade back, he would have made sure it happened. The writing has been on the wall that wade would be gone before we hired VJ.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
01-13-2017, 01:25 PM
Wade can probably do a lot with the players on the Rams D. I can understand why he would make the switch

slim
01-13-2017, 01:51 PM
Wow, that might be the dumbest take I have ever read on this message board.

You obviously don't read your own posts :hi:

slim
01-13-2017, 01:52 PM
Wade can probably do a lot with the players on the Rams D. I can understand why he would make the switch

Yes, they will be a top 3 defense next year.

Nomad
01-13-2017, 01:54 PM
What rank was the BRONCOS defense this year? Just curious, I don't follow stats much.

slim
01-13-2017, 01:56 PM
What rank was the BRONCOS defense this year? Just curious, I don't follow stats much.

4th in YPG and points allowed.

Cugel
01-13-2017, 02:00 PM
Wow, that might be the dumbest take I have ever read on this message board.

Now, I've seen some dumb posts before, so I'm not sure it's the dumbest. That would be a pretty high bar. But, no, Coaches do not count against the salary cap.

Cugel
01-13-2017, 02:02 PM
Quote Originally Posted by Al Wilson 4 Mayor View Post
Wade can probably do a lot with the players on the Rams D. I can understand why he would make the switch
Yes, they will be a top 3 defense next year.


Not unless they get a bunch of better defensive players. Yet, he will improve them. Mainly, though he has previous head coaching experience and decades in the NFL. If they're going to hire 30 year old Doogie Howser as their head coach, they at least have Wade in the room to change him if he soils his diaper.

slim
01-13-2017, 02:03 PM
Not unless they get a bunch of better defensive players. Yet, he will improve them. Mainly, though he has previous head coaching experience and decades in the NFL. If they're going to hire 30 year old Doogie Howser as their head coach, they at least have Wade in the room to change him if he soils his diaper.

Their defense has a lot of good players.

Denver Native (Carol)
01-13-2017, 02:04 PM
Mike Klis ‏@MikeKlis 10m

I'm told QB coach Greg Knapp will not be retained by Vance Joseph. #9sports

Denver Native (Carol)
01-13-2017, 02:07 PM
Nicki Jhabvala ‏@NickiJhabvala 1h

ILBs coach Reggie Herring & DL coach Bill Kollar appear to be safe. Herring in consideration for DC job, though Joe Woods is lead candidate

Denver Native (Carol)
01-13-2017, 02:25 PM
Tracker: Who’s in, who’s out on Vance Joseph’s Broncos coaching staff

http://www.denverpost.com/2017/01/13/denver-broncos-coaching-staff-tracker/

MOtorboat
01-13-2017, 02:26 PM
Mike Klis ‏@MikeKlis 10m

I'm told QB coach Greg Knapp will not be retained by Vance Joseph. #9sports

Fresh start on offense is best.

Denver Native (Carol)
01-13-2017, 02:30 PM
Fresh start on offense is best.

Earlier on the fan, they were talking about McCoy being the OC, and Musgrave could be the QB coach.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
01-13-2017, 02:40 PM
Not unless they get a bunch of better defensive players. Yet, he will improve them. Mainly, though he has previous head coaching experience and decades in the NFL. If they're going to hire 30 year old Doogie Howser as their head coach, they at least have Wade in the room to change him if he soils his diaper.

They have a lot of talent on defense. Some of it depends on if their offense can keep their defense off the field.

Denver Native (Carol)
01-13-2017, 02:51 PM
Nicki Jhabvala ‏@NickiJhabvala 9m

Told Eric Studesville & Joe Woods will meet w/ Vance Joseph later today. Studesville interviewed for Jets' OC job. Woods up for Broncos' DC.

Denver Native (Carol)
01-13-2017, 02:55 PM
A few minutes ago on the fan, it was stated that Joseph has requested to interview Jim Washburn, who is on Miami's staff.

chazoe60
01-13-2017, 02:55 PM
Nicki Jhabvala ‏@NickiJhabvala 9m

Told Eric Studesville & Joe Woods will meet w/ Vance Joseph later today. Studesville interviewed for Jets' OC job. Woods up for Broncos' DC.

I really like Studesville. I have a lot of respect for him.

Denver Native (Carol)
01-13-2017, 02:58 PM
I really like Studesville. I have a lot of respect for him.

So do I. I hope he stays with the Broncos

chazoe60
01-13-2017, 03:03 PM
So do I. I hope he stays with the Broncos

I hope he gets the job as Jets OC. I'd feel happy for him. If he doesn't get a promotion then I absolutely hope he comes back.

Denver Native (Carol)
01-13-2017, 03:29 PM
Mike Klis ‏@MikeKlis 3m

Broncos finalizing offensive blockbuster: McCoy as OC; Bill Musgrave as QB coach. Big for Joseph/Elway to get that kind of talent. #9sports

Denver Native (Carol)
01-13-2017, 03:31 PM
Mike Klis ‏@MikeKlis 2m

Cleveland, Buffalo had expressed interest in Bill Musgrave as OC. Almost set to become Broncos' QB coach. #9sports

Denver Native (Carol)
01-13-2017, 03:34 PM
Earlier, Adam Schefter was on with C.J. and Stokley. One of the things he addressed is why Wade signed with the Rams. First interview on this link.

http://1043thefan.com/category/interviews/

Hawgdriver
01-13-2017, 03:49 PM
Well, I said I'd riot if Wade left, so

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Ok, feel better now. That dude rocked.

Go Broncos!!!

Freyaka
01-13-2017, 04:04 PM
Am I the only one who finds it strange that McVay was hired as the Rams HC yesterday, and that Wade was hired as the Rams DC yesterday? Is there a chance that McVay contacted Wade and gave him a "what if scenario" before the Rams made him their HC?

AND



http://www.espn.com/blog/los-angeles-rams/post/_/id/32687/rams-get-second-interview-with-redskins-oc-sean-mcvay

If McVay was using Wade as a selling point to the Rams, he had to be POSITIVE that Wade would (already did) agree to be the DC.

I'm pretty sure that is exactly what happened.

DenBronx
01-13-2017, 04:17 PM
Well, I said I'd riot if Wade left


You won't do it. You're a talker. Talkers make me thirsty.

https://youtu.be/zWiAxF6VAj8

BroncoJoe
01-13-2017, 04:27 PM
Is that all you got bitch?

I think my comment summed it up perfectly.

Bitch.

OrangeHoof
01-13-2017, 04:59 PM
Kubiak was always "no hablo" when it came to defense and if he was going to insist on QBs not calling audibles as he was with Matt Schaub, that would hurt the development of whichever QB we go with. Kubiak needed Wade to be *the* head coach on defense while Kubes focused on the offense. They made a good team that way as Phillips was never that good as a head coach but was a hell of a DC. Two men who knew their limitations and melded well together. Best wishes to both of them and at least Wade is in the other conference.

Denver Native (Carol)
01-13-2017, 05:23 PM
Mike Klis ‏@MikeKlis 11m

Broncos will also interview Derius Swinton II for ST coordinator. Swinton was Jeff Rodgers asst ST coach with Broncos from 2013-14. #9sports

Timmy!
01-13-2017, 06:03 PM
Wow, that might be the dumbest take I have ever read on this message board.

Is that all you got, bitch!!?!?!?!

Cause you're right.

Freyaka
01-13-2017, 06:30 PM
I think my comment summed it up perfectly.

Bitch.

I feel like i'm watching an episode of Breaking bad or something in this thread...

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9ly44PMdw1qbu8uio1_500.png

ShaneFalco
01-13-2017, 07:52 PM
A few minutes ago on the fan, it was stated that Joseph has requested to interview Jim Washburn, who is on Miami's staff.

The Denver Dolphins!

ShaneFalco
01-13-2017, 07:53 PM
yeay! Blow up a superbowl team into the dolphins who cant make it outta the wildcard! Cant wait!

ShaneFalco
01-13-2017, 07:56 PM
"I think every game is going to be different. I grew up with Denver Broncos defensive coordinator Wade Phillips and he is aggressive all of the time. That’s Wade’s deal. Every game is going to be different and I’m going to call the game to win the game that day. It can be conservative, it can be aggressive, but it’s more about the team and how the team can win the game that day."

wow...... Mr. 1-year 29th-ranked wonder has it all figured out.

chazoe60
01-13-2017, 08:25 PM
:rolleyes:

Please, ****. Thanks.

Valar Morghulis
01-13-2017, 08:32 PM
wow...... Mr. 1-year 29th-ranked wonder has it all figured out. Why you being such a cun!?

Your team left a city where they received average support.

Your other team got rid of a coordinator you liked.

Get over it.

Be better than what you are at present.

ShaneFalco
01-13-2017, 08:41 PM
because i have seen an organization do this before.

replace all the old coaches who got them a SB for the new "hot" coordinator (Martz).

Didnt work out well and it terrifies me.

Freyaka
01-13-2017, 08:49 PM
Shane....


http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/922/014/7e4.jpg


Give it a rest bro...

BroncoWave
01-13-2017, 10:32 PM
If only we had Shane to run the Broncos!

Jaded
01-13-2017, 10:35 PM
If only we had Shane to run the Broncos!

We could corner the market on shitty run-first (only) QB's and run the A-11.

King87
01-13-2017, 10:48 PM
To be fair to SF, Tebow would have gotten us into the playoffs. He would have solved our shitty running game problem and mitigated a lot of our pass protection issues.

Valar Morghulis
01-14-2017, 02:41 AM
To be fair to SF, Tebow would have gotten us into the playoffs. He would have solved our shitty running game problem and mitigated a lot of our pass protection issues.

Troll face

King87
01-14-2017, 02:44 AM
Troll face

If I have to have a QB who can do almost nothing in the passing game, I might as well have one who can help run the ball, mitigate the shitty o-line, and make plays.

Valar Morghulis
01-14-2017, 02:51 AM
If I have to have a QB who can do almost nothing in the passing game, I might as well have one who can help run the ball, mitigate the shitty o-line, and make plays.

Not biting

Good day to you sir

King87
01-14-2017, 02:52 AM
Not biting

Good day to you sir

It's offensive to call me a troll because you strongly disagree with me.

I love you, though.

Valar Morghulis
01-14-2017, 02:56 AM
It's offensive to call me a troll because you strongly disagree with me. I love you, though.

Your face is offensive. I still want to arrive all over it though.

King87
01-14-2017, 02:59 AM
Your face is offensive. I still want to arrive all over it though.

I'm pretty handsome for a fat man.

Valar Morghulis
01-14-2017, 03:01 AM
I'm pretty handsome for a fat man.

Which is why I want to make you look like a plasterers radio

King87
01-14-2017, 03:02 AM
Which is why I want to make you look like a plasterers radio

I could do better. Go holler at that Dan who is Dapper. :lol:

Valar Morghulis
01-14-2017, 03:03 AM
I could do better. Go holler at that Dan who is Dapper. :lol:

This rejection hurts.

dogfish
01-14-2017, 04:06 AM
I could do better. Go holler at that Dan who is Dapper. :lol:

damn, that ain't right. . . why you gotta do dan like that?


we aren't even in the privacy of the lounge or nothin'. . . cold!

Jaded
01-14-2017, 11:13 AM
If I have to have a QB who can do almost nothing in the passing game, I might as well have one who can help run the ball, mitigate the shitty o-line, and make plays.

This sounds like you're describing a running back...at a rec park playing...with a bunch of neighborhood kids who says "lets run the ball, they'll never expect it" halfway through the game...and he's right nobody expects it...because its sandlot football and nobody ever runs the ball...because they're all a bunch of neighborhood kids.

atwater27
01-14-2017, 02:20 PM
I think my comment summed it up perfectly.

Bitch.

Well played. Go Broncos.

King87
01-14-2017, 03:38 PM
This sounds like you're describing a running back...at a rec park playing...with a bunch of neighborhood kids who says "lets run the ball, they'll never expect it" halfway through the game...and he's right nobody expects it...because its sandlot football and nobody ever runs the ball...because they're all a bunch of neighborhood kids.

Yep. That guy gives our current guy a run for his money.

atwater27
01-14-2017, 08:06 PM
Still can't believe we let a coach of that caliber just walk away. We would not have even reached the Super Bowl, much less won it, without him. And we would have a much worse record this season without him. This is Elway's worst mistake since he came here.

Denver Native (Carol)
01-15-2017, 01:34 PM
Jason La Canfora

@JasonLaCanfora

Skins very likely to promote QB coach Matt Cavanaugh to OC, w/HC Jay Gruden calling plays. Expected to lose assistant Wes Phillips to LAR...
12:01 PM - 14 Jan 2017

Jaded
01-15-2017, 10:35 PM
Yep. That guy gives our current guy a run for his money.

I like Booker.

Slick
01-16-2017, 09:39 AM
Still can't believe we let a coach of that caliber just walk away. We would not have even reached the Super Bowl, much less won it, without him. And we would have a much worse record this season without him. This is Elway's worst mistake since he came here.

I agree, but I understand why they did it. Wade will be 70 in a couple months so who knows how long he'll coach. Woods was being sought after and Denver didn't want to lose him.

At least they hired guys who worked under Wade so it's not like they're blowing the whole thing up.

Denver Native (Carol)
01-16-2017, 10:56 AM
CENTENNIAL, Colo. -- A confluence of factors conspired to create one of the most intriguing coaching decisions of the Broncos' offseason.

Unable and unwilling to meet Wade Phillips' contract demands and in danger of losing arguably their top assistant, the Broncos let Phillips walk and hired Joe Woods as their new defensive coordinator.

The air traffic controller of the Broncos' "No Fly Zone" secondary, Woods brings a reputation as a tireless worker and film rat. Denver players were sad to see Phillips go, but welcomed Woods' promotion on Sunday.

"Joe Woods has natural leadership qualities. Everybody stops and listens when he talks. He's 100 percent focused on winning. I can promise you that no one puts in more time than Joe," Broncos cornerback Chris Harris Jr. told Denver7. "He's a great motivator."

Woods' situation changed just as the landscape shifted for Phillips. The Broncos never reached a deal on a contract extension with Phillips after the Super Bowl 50 victory. The defense shone in the upset, with outside linebacker Von Miller earning MVP honors. Phillips' contract expired last Tuesday. The prospect of him staying was rapidly decreasing, and sealed when an NFC East team, believed to be the Washington Redskins, requested permission to interview Woods.

The Broncos weren't letting Woods go. As such, Phillips received the three-year contract at the top salary he was seeking from the Los Angeles Rams, and the Broncos promoted Woods. Coach Vance Joseph has known Woods for years, calling him a "bright mind." It mirrored the situation in Oakland with Bill Musgrave. The Raiders parted ways with Musgrave, their offensive coordinator, to keep quarterbacks coach Todd Downing.

Woods assumed more responsibility than a secondary coach. He spoke in front of the Broncos full team on multiple occasions, commanding respect.

"He is a great mind. He's extremely passionate, and we won't miss a beat with him," linebacker Brandon Marshall told Denver7.

Added linebacker Todd Davis, "He's a great coach and has been very instrumental in our game plans and schemes in the past. So I am excited about the future."

The Broncos led the NFL in pass defense the past two seasons under Woods. He found a way to motivate accomplished players with strong personalities. They trust him.

"He's a great teacher," safety Darian Stewart told Denver7. "He's more than capable of getting the job done."

The Broncos allowed 185.8 yards per game this season. Houston ranked second at 201.6.

"Some of the young guys, they don't know how lucky they are to have Joe as a coach. He puts in the time. He would change something one week, and I would always ask him why. Guys would challenge him. And he always had the answer," Harris said. "He has the football smarts, and is a leader. Not a lot of coaches can address the team and have everybody listen. He has that."

rest - http://www.thedenverchannel.com/sports/broncos/broncos-hire-joe-wood-as-defensive-coordinator-replacing-joe-woods

Looks like Joe was major in the success of the defense.

Denver Native (Carol)
01-16-2017, 02:06 PM
In regards to the above article I posted about Joe, I now understand why I received the response to an email I did, when I sent an email to a local sports reporter, asking what were the rumors in regards to Wade receiving another contract.

The response was -

"Some feel that Wade received more credit for the defense than what he deserved"

Northman
01-16-2017, 02:11 PM
Wow......

Nomad
01-16-2017, 02:14 PM
I'm glad Kubiak was given the high road, but if a person could of been a fly on the wall, the rumors of dysfunction at Dove Valley seem to be coming to light.

dogfish
01-16-2017, 02:55 PM
I agree, but I understand why they did it. Wade will be 70 in a couple months so who knows how long he'll coach. Woods was being sought after and Denver didn't want to lose him.

At least they hired guys who worked under Wade so it's not like they're blowing the whole thing up.

they should have paid wade, and given woods a promotion to assistant head coach. . . if he's as good as they say he is, we'll most likely lose him in the next year or two anyway, as someone will end up hiring him as their head coach if he gets the defense performing as well as wade had it. . . IMO, that was one thing that made wade such a great fit-- no one was going to poach him with a promotion. . . if we'd been willing to pay, we probably could have kept him as long as we wanted (lebeau is almost 80 and still going strong). . . oh well, doesn't matter. . . maybe we'll get lucky, and woods will be great but no one will notice. . .

King87
01-16-2017, 03:16 PM
they should have paid wade, and given woods a promotion to assistant head coach. . . if he's as good as they say he is, we'll most likely lose him in the next year or two anyway, as someone will end up hiring him as their head coach if he gets the defense performing as well as wade had it. . . IMO, that was one thing that made wade such a great fit-- no one was going to poach him with a promotion. . . if we'd been willing to pay, we probably could have kept him as long as we wanted (lebeau is almost 80 and still going strong). . . oh well, doesn't matter. . . maybe we'll get lucky, and woods will be great but no one will notice. . .

If they promote him to assistant coach they would have given him extra years on his deal. I've seen that before, as well. I wanted them to pay Wade.

Freyaka
01-16-2017, 04:23 PM
If they promote him to assistant coach they would have given him extra years on his deal. I've seen that before, as well. I wanted them to pay Wade.

Wade got a pretty lucrative deal for a DC...I dunno. I would have liked to see him stay, but I think we'll be just fine with Woods in his place and it will be a lower cost and likely longer tenured option. To be real honest, Woods is nice because unlike Wade, he gives us a backup option at HC if Vance doesn't pan out.

Cugel
01-17-2017, 01:37 PM
they should have paid wade, and given woods a promotion to assistant head coach. . . if he's as good as they say he is, we'll most likely lose him in the next year or two anyway, as someone will end up hiring him as their head coach if he gets the defense performing as well as wade had it. . . IMO, that was one thing that made wade such a great fit-- no one was going to poach him with a promotion. . . if we'd been willing to pay, we probably could have kept him as long as we wanted (lebeau is almost 80 and still going strong). . . oh well, doesn't matter. . . maybe we'll get lucky, and woods will be great but no one will notice. . .

This is what I thought too. If Woods does great, somebody is going to notice and he'll be on the short list for a head coaching vacancy in the next 3 years. If not, then you got rid of Wade for nothing and the defense declined.

Either way, Elway's stated goal of getting a coaching staff in place that they can keep for years is not going to work out like he hopes. Whoever does well is going to get promoted and there are always head coaching vacancies every single year in the NFL. Usually in Cleveland of course, but they are there.

BroncoJoe
01-17-2017, 02:04 PM
In regards to the above article I posted about Joe, I now understand why I received the response to an email I did, when I sent an email to a local sports reporter, asking what were the rumors in regards to Wade receiving another contract.

The response was -

"Some feel that Wade received more credit for the defense than what he deserved"

I guess we'll see. LA has a pretty good core of players.

Slick
01-17-2017, 04:14 PM
they should have paid wade, and given woods a promotion to assistant head coach. . . if he's as good as they say he is, we'll most likely lose him in the next year or two anyway, as someone will end up hiring him as their head coach if he gets the defense performing as well as wade had it. . . IMO, that was one thing that made wade such a great fit-- no one was going to poach him with a promotion. . . if we'd been willing to pay, we probably could have kept him as long as we wanted (lebeau is almost 80 and still going strong). . . oh well, doesn't matter. . . maybe we'll get lucky, and woods will be great but no one will notice. . .

Don't you think they kicked around that idea too? John's not a dummy. There's a reason why they didn't want to pay Wade and we aren't privy to it. Maybe Son of Bum will write a tell all book.

MOtorboat
01-17-2017, 09:57 PM
I don't think you can look past two things, he was a free agent and he might have been a little miffed that Kubiak was gone, in whichever capacity it happened.

Denver Native (Carol)
01-17-2017, 11:59 PM
Interesting comments from Troy Renck in regards to Wade leaving

https://twitter.com/TroyRenck/status/821390453509595136

Joel
01-18-2017, 02:00 AM
Unable and unwilling to meet Wade Phillips' contract demands....
Seriously?! Is there a coaching salary cap now, or we are expected to believe that the Broncos' 1/32nd share of well over $10 BILLION/yr didn't have enough room to pay Wade another million or so next year? If Elway wanted to move on, that's his perogative, but let's not play the "well gee shucks, we really WANTED to keep Wade, but he was just way beyond our meager operating budget."


In regards to the above article I posted about Joe, I now understand why I received the response to an email I did, when I sent an email to a local sports reporter, asking what were the rumors in regards to Wade receiving another contract.

The response was -

"Some feel that Wade received more credit for the defense than what he deserved"
Uh huh; Jerry Jones felt the same when he replaced Wade with Rob Ryan: Now the Cowboys D that's been pathetic ever since is the reason they're spending next weekend on their couches. In between, Wade came home to Houston and took their secondary from 31st to 2nd in a single season, beginning secondary coach Vance Josephs rise to fame: Which of them has done more since then? Hint: The two teams where Joseph was assistant went 0-3 in the playoffs, while Wade got a Ring.

Freyaka
01-18-2017, 10:13 AM
Seriously?! Is there a coaching salary cap now, or we are expected to believe that the Broncos' 1/32nd share of well over $10 BILLION/yr didn't have enough room to pay Wade another million or so next year? If Elway wanted to move on, that's his perogative, but let's not play the "well gee shucks, we really WANTED to keep Wade, but he was just way beyond our meager operating budget."


Uh huh; Jerry Jones felt the same when he replaced Wade with Rob Ryan: Now the Cowboys D that's been pathetic ever since is the reason they're spending next weekend on their couches. In between, Wade came home to Houston and took their secondary from 31st to 2nd in a single season, beginning secondary coach Vance Josephs rise to fame: Which of them has done more since then? Hint: The two teams where Joseph was assistant went 0-3 in the playoffs, while Wade got a Ring.

We are a small market team and we've had a known cash flow issue in the past (it was part of what made it so difficult to get Von signed because there was a struggle to have enough cash on hand for his up front bonus money) So yes....It's entirely possible the team just couldn't fit it into their budget. I think our recent success has helped the cash flow issue, but the fact of the matter is, we don't pull in the income teams like the Giants, Patriots, Cowboys, ect... pull in. It may be difficult for you to believe, but it's been an issue with us in the past, it doesn't surprise me at all.

BroncoWave
01-18-2017, 10:47 AM
I don't think you can look past two things, he was a free agent and he might have been a little miffed that Kubiak was gone, in whichever capacity it happened.

This is the #1 thing that people keep completely glossing over and ignoring. Wade was a free agent. Free to go where he chose. People are acting like Elway straight up fired him. No one knows what the conversations were like behind closed doors. Maybe Elway tried to get him back but Wade wanted to move on. Maybe the rumblings of Wade dividing the locker room were true and the clean break was best for the team.

Regardless, Woods will run the same scheme and we will have the same players coming back. I don't really see any good reason to think the defense will suddenly fall off a cliff.

Valar Morghulis
01-18-2017, 01:06 PM
Are Denver really a small market team?

MOtorboat
01-18-2017, 01:08 PM
Are Denver really a small market team?

I would consider it mid-market. But it's no secret Denver has had some cash flow problems.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
01-18-2017, 01:10 PM
Are Denver really a small market team?

It's probably in the bottom half of the league of tv markets.

Denver Native (Carol)
01-18-2017, 01:27 PM
Local Television Market Universe Estimates
Estimates as of January 1, 2016 and used throughout the 2015-2016 television season
Estimates are effective September 26, 2015

http://www.nielsen.com/content/dam/corporate/us/en/docs/solutions/measurement/television/2015-2016-dma-ranks.pdf

Joel
01-18-2017, 06:14 PM
We are a small market team and we've had a known cash flow issue in the past (it was part of what made it so difficult to get Von signed because there was a struggle to have enough cash on hand for his up front bonus money) So yes....It's entirely possible the team just couldn't fit it into their budget. I think our recent success has helped the cash flow issue, but the fact of the matter is, we don't pull in the income teams like the Giants, Patriots, Cowboys, ect... pull in. It may be difficult for you to believe, but it's been an issue with us in the past, it doesn't surprise me at all.
Yes, we do pull in the same income: Because ALL NFL revenue except stadium receipts goes in a huge pot evenly split 32 ways, so we pull in revenue EXACTLY like ANY (and all) other NFL teams. The relative size of metro Denvers TV market doesn't matter, because the NFL negotiates the TV contracts, evenly splitting the revenue 32 ways. Same with merchandising: We, Indy and the Jets make every bit as much off Cheatriot hoodies as NE* does. The sole exception I know is stadium revenue, but since the Broncos have sold out Mile High since pretty much forever, they're way ahead of nearly everyone but GB there.

Sure, I recall the LIQUIDITY problems with Vons contract, but

1) That had to fully comply with the cap, so no delayed payments (i.e. like those for which we were penalized draft picks when re-signing Elway and Davis) yet

2) We eventually got it done despite

3) Reigning Super Bowl MVPs commanding about FOUR TIMES the salary of top coordinators.

The Broncos organization is practically guaranteed about half a BILLION DOLLARS ANNUALLY: It's absurd to suggest a mission critical coordinator demanding 1% of that was simply out of our budget. Had Elway wanted to keep Wade, he would've; since he didn't, he didn't.

So instead of Wade, we have one of his former assistants as head coach and a bunch of his other assistants running the D: Let's hope he was as dispensable to their success as so many fans believe Kubiak was to ours. That's not how it worked in Dallas, Houston nor after his first stint in Denver, but maybe the fourth try's the charm. It's hard to imagine our D being as good without him as with him though, and the current Denver Broncos without an elite D is a horrifying prospect.

Joel
01-18-2017, 06:30 PM
Are Denver really a small market team?

I would consider it mid-market. But it's no secret Denver has had some cash flow problems.

It's probably in the bottom half of the league of tv markets.

Local Television Market Universe Estimates
Estimates as of January 1, 2016 and used throughout the 2015-2016 television season
Estimates are effective September 26, 2015

http://www.nielsen.com/content/dam/corporate/us/en/docs/solutions/measurement/television/2015-2016-dma-ranks.pdf
Just so it's not lost in a textwall: Revenue-sharing makes all that IRRELEVANT. Denver, KC, Jax, Buffalo and GB get the same TV revenue as NY, L.A. Chicago, Dallas and Houston. Same for jerseys, caps, hoodies, jackets—whatever: Unless it's sold at the stadium, it's evenly split 32 ways.

In fact, precisely BECAUSE of revenue-sharing and the fact the SMALLEST market (i.e. GB) is publicly owned, we know both the total and split revenue: ~$12 billion (http://money.cnn.com/2015/07/20/news/green-bay-packers-revenue/) in 2015, or ~$375M/team, a little over half from revenue-sharing and nearly as much from local team activities in a market whose METRO population is barely 100,000. Sunday Ticket ALONE covers nearly HALF our salary cap (http://money.cnn.com/2014/10/01/media/directv/?iid=EL) ($1˝B/y/32~$50M/team in 2014.)

Freyaka
01-18-2017, 07:23 PM
Just so it's not lost in a textwall: Revenue-sharing makes all that IRRELEVANT. Denver, KC, Jax, Buffalo and GB get the same TV revenue as NY, L.A. Chicago, Dallas and Houston. Same for jerseys, caps, hoodies, jackets—whatever: Unless it's sold at the stadium, it's evenly split 32 ways.

In fact, precisely BECAUSE of revenue-sharing and the fact the SMALLEST market (i.e. GB) is publicly owned, we know both the total and split revenue: ~$12 billion (http://money.cnn.com/2015/07/20/news/green-bay-packers-revenue/) in 2015, or ~$375M/team, a little over half from revenue-sharing and nearly as much from local team activities in a market whose METRO population is barely 100,000. Sunday Ticket ALONE covers nearly HALF our salary cap (http://money.cnn.com/2014/10/01/media/directv/?iid=EL) ($1˝B/y/32~$50M/team in 2014.)

So it's not just lost in you rambling...It's a known ******* fact that we've had cash flow problems... This isn't just us saying things, this has been documented in the past and discussed.... Doesn't matter how much the entire NFL makes...The Denver Broncos have had cash flow issues in the last several years...

slim
01-18-2017, 07:26 PM
I wish Ravage was here to tell us that cash flow doesn't matter

Joel
01-18-2017, 07:44 PM
So it's not just lost in you rambling...It's a known ******* fact that we've had cash flow problems... This isn't just us saying things, this has been documented in the past and discussed.... Doesn't matter how much the entire NFL makes...The Denver Broncos have had cash flow issues in the last several years...
Yeah: When we had to come up with >$20M/yr for 5 years and couldn't delay any of it without violating the cap. That's completely different from giving an uncapped coordinator a raise from the $3M he made last year. Like, an ORDER OF MAGNITUDE different. It's like saying, "Hey, if we couldn't afford to pay Oz $17M/yr, we OBVIOUSLY can't afford to pay Lynch $1.7M/yr either." Except, again: Lynch must fit under the cap.

King87
01-18-2017, 07:46 PM
I think their point is that the Broncos will have enough to pay the players, but outside of that the cash flow, for whatever reason, is not strong enough to pay a lot of coaches top dollar?

Why are we cash strapped?

Joel
01-18-2017, 08:43 PM
I think their point is that the Broncos will have enough to pay the players, but outside of that the cash flow, for whatever reason, is not strong enough to pay a lot of coaches top dollar?

Why are we cash strapped?

We're not: If we can come up with $160M/yr—from strictly prescribed (and frequently proscribed) sources on equally strict timetables—we can come up with $4-5M/yr to pay the guy who makes them all work: IF we WANT to do so. We chose a different path. That's fine, but own it, don't BS it.

King87
01-18-2017, 08:53 PM
I just asked a question, Joelio. Actually...

You will now be known as Joelio Jones.

dogfish
01-18-2017, 09:54 PM
Why are we cash strapped?

i have a hard time believing we are. . . this franchise has sold out every damn game ever played at our barn. . . we frequently play extra games (post-season), including multiple deep playoff runs in recent years. . . we also just got the boost in merchandise sales that comes with a championship. . . the organization being cash-strapped doesn't pass the smell test for me in any way, shape or form. . . if we are, some shady bullshit is happening somewhere-- joe ellis got some 'splainin' to do. . . this franchise should be among the more profitable in the league. . .

King87
01-18-2017, 10:09 PM
i have a hard time believing we are. . . this franchise has sold out every damn game ever played at our barn. . . we frequently play extra games (post-season), including multiple deep playoff runs in recent years. . . we also just got the boost in merchandise sales that comes with a championship. . . the organization being cash-strapped doesn't pass the smell test for me in any way, shape or form. . . if we are, some shady bullshit is happening somewhere-- joe ellis got some 'splainin' to do. . . this franchise should be among the more profitable in the league. . .

Yeah...unless I saw a hard citation I struggle to find that creditable.

FanInAZ
01-18-2017, 10:34 PM
Are Denver really a small market team?

Metro-Denver was 21st in population according to 2010 census: https://www.currentresults.com/Weather-Extremes/US/largest-cities-list.php

dogfish
01-18-2017, 10:41 PM
Metro-Denver was 21st in population according to 2010 census: https://www.currentresults.com/Weather-Extremes/US/largest-cities-list.php

that's really not accurate data anymore-- denver has experienced a significant surge in population since then. . .

(thanks a lot, california and texas!)

Hawgdriver
01-18-2017, 10:48 PM
Metro-Denver was 21st in population according to 2010 census: https://www.currentresults.com/Weather-Extremes/US/largest-cities-list.php

Medium market, but big decks.

I mean, have you seen some of these houses in Cherry Hills? OMG!

10051

Mods, what's my CYP factor at this point? for future reference...

FanInAZ
01-18-2017, 10:48 PM
that's really not accurate data anymore-- denver has experienced a significant surge in population since then. . .

(thanks a lot, california and texas!)

I know that there are a lot of population change over the course of a single decade. I remember when Phoenix cracked the top 10 in 1990 & eventually made it to 5th during the decade, now we've dropped all the way down to 14th. However, this is the most current stats I could find.

Joel
01-18-2017, 10:52 PM
i have a hard time believing we are. . . this franchise has sold out every damn game ever played at our barn. . . we frequently play extra games (post-season), including multiple deep playoff runs in recent years. . . we also just got the boost in merchandise sales that comes with a championship. . . the organization being cash-strapped doesn't pass the smell test for me in any way, shape or form. . . if we are, some shady bullshit is happening somewhere-- joe ellis got some 'splainin' to do. . . this franchise should be among the more profitable in the league. . .
Any recent boost in our merchandise sales affected our bottom line little, since revenue-sharing equally splits that with the other 31 teams—BUT that also means even when we were 4-12 pariahs who fired McDumbass for bringing the Cheatriot Way to Denver we made just as much off the SB Champs merchandise as they did. Media market size is equally irrelevant for the same reason: NFL broadcasts earn Green Bay (metro pop. 312,409 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Bay,_Wisconsin)) just as much as New York (metro pop. 20,182,305 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City).)

That's why it's so absurd to suggest even DOUBLING Wades salary (which the internet says was $3M/yr) would even dent our annual windfall. The point about us selling out every home game for DECADES is valid though, because stadium revenue's the one thing each team DOES get to keep to itself (or at least split with each weeks visiting team, but the hosts get the lions share.)

Hawgdriver
01-18-2017, 10:52 PM
I know that there are a lot of population change over the course of a single decade. I remember when Phoenix cracked the top 10 in 1990 & eventually made it to 5th during the decade, now we've dropped all the way down to 14th. However, this is the most current stats I could find.

How have things been since the Housing Bubble out there?

Hawgdriver
01-18-2017, 10:53 PM
Any recent boost in our merchandise sales didn't affect our bottom line much, because revenue-sharing equally splits that with the other 31 teams—BUT that also means even when we were 4-12 pariahs who fired McDumbass for bringing the Cheatriot Way to Denver we made just as much off the SB Champs merchandise as they did. That's why it's so absurd to suggest even DOUBLING Wades salary (which the internet says was $3M/yr) would even dent our annual windfall.

The point about us selling out every home game for DECADES is valid though, because stadium revenue's the one thing each team DOES get to keep to itself (or at least split with each weeks visiting team, but the hosts get the lions share.)

Good post, thanks. /no sarc

Freyaka
01-19-2017, 08:05 AM
Yeah...unless I saw a hard citation I struggle to find that creditable.

I've seen multiple articles on it in the past...Issue is trying to search for them now is just bringing up "sallarygate" articles as the patsy fans love to call it...

Freyaka
01-19-2017, 08:20 AM
And regardless of "are we or aren't we" cash strapped. Wade was free to make his own choices. You don't know what we did or did not truly offer. I find it pretty likely that wade had this LA job in mind from the beginning (especially since his daughter lives there and his son is being brought on the staff as well)

We can debate the why all we want but end of the day, we've got a solid choice for DC, Wade is nearer to his family and what is done is done. So we all need to just quit bloviating about it.

VonDoom
01-23-2017, 01:31 PM
Interesting Twitter exchange today:

Charlie Campbell ‏@DraftCampbell 43m43 minutes ago

Sources say that Wade Phillips caused a divide in #Broncos locker room. Had similar issues in Houston.


The Los Angeles Rams' hire of Wade Phillips as defensive coordinator was met with a lot of acclaim. That was understandable, as Phillips' defense led the Broncos to a Super Bowl victory a year ago. Many criticized the Broncos for allowing Phillips to leave with the transition to Vance Joseph. Sources with the Broncos, however, say that Phillips divided the locker room and pitted the defense against the offense. The divided locker room was toxic at the end of the season, and that was why the Broncos felt they would be better off to have Phillips depart. Sources in Houston say that Phillips stirred up some similar problems in the Texans' locker room during the 2013 season, but not to the same extent as in Denver last season.

http://mail.walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2017rumors.php

Wade Phillips ‏@sonofbum 13m13 minutes ago

@DraftCampbell your sources about me and dividing the team are an out and out lie--I resent u saying that -ask any off coach or player.

Chris Harris ‏@ChrisHarrisJr 6m6 minutes ago

@sonofbum @CameronWolfe @DraftCampbell lol extremely false

King87
01-23-2017, 01:35 PM
The only coach who divided the locker room was Kubiak and his bad offense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#hottake
#style

I would need to see something much more substantive than this to believe WP divided the locker room.

Hawgdriver
01-23-2017, 02:28 PM
#alternativefacts

dogfish
01-23-2017, 03:07 PM
Interesting Twitter exchange today:

Charlie Campbell ‏@DraftCampbell 43m43 minutes ago

Sources say that Wade Phillips caused a divide in #Broncos locker room. Had similar issues in Houston.



http://mail.walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2017rumors.php

Wade Phillips ‏@sonofbum 13m13 minutes ago

@DraftCampbell your sources about me and dividing the team are an out and out lie--I resent u saying that -ask any off coach or player.

Chris Harris ‏@ChrisHarrisJr 6m6 minutes ago

@sonofbum @CameronWolfe @DraftCampbell lol extremely false

what a load of shit! nice to see CHJ shoot it down right off the bat. . .

BroncoWave
01-23-2017, 03:11 PM
To play devil's advocate, we don't know that that report is false simply because one of Wade's guys had his back. If we start having offensive players refute that report too, that would be much better evidence of the report being bunk.

BroncoWave
01-23-2017, 03:19 PM
To play devil's advocate, we don't know that that report is false simply because one of Wade's guys had his back. If we start having offensive players refute that report too, that would be much better evidence of the report being bunk.

And just to further clarify here, I'm not saying I totally buy the report. But I'm not going to totally dismiss it either because a guy on Wade's side of the alleged locker room split had his back.

GEM
01-23-2017, 03:42 PM
And just to further clarify here, I'm not saying I totally buy the report. But I'm not going to totally dismiss it either because a guy on Wade's side of the alleged locker room split had his back.

Max Garcia also tweeted that it was false.

His tweet was:

2017, year of #alternative facts

pnbronco
01-23-2017, 03:43 PM
what a load of shit! nice to see CHJ shoot it down right off the bat. . .

I can't believe that a sweet man like Wade who did nothing but help the Broncos get a SB win is having to put up with this shit. Thank you Chris who is fine with Wood taking over for shooting this nonsense down.

MOtorboat
01-23-2017, 03:57 PM
We already knew there was a rift. I wonder whose at the Senior Bowl for the Broncos?

Nomad
01-23-2017, 03:58 PM
http://www.denverpost.com/2017/01/23/wade-phillips-disputes-report-divided-broncos-locker-room/

A HolyDiver sighting in the comments of the article.

MOtorboat
01-23-2017, 04:01 PM
Also of note, is Phillips denying the rift, or denying causing the rift?

silkamilkamonico
01-23-2017, 04:32 PM
To play devil's advocate, we don't know that that report is false simply because one of Wade's guys had his back. If we start having offensive players refute that report too, that would be much better evidence of the report being bunk.

One player having his back carries about as much validity as one no name guy claiming he heard it from "inside sources".

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
01-23-2017, 04:32 PM
Also of note, is Phillips denying the rift, or denying causing the rift?

He's denying he was a source of discord.

Buff
01-23-2017, 04:39 PM
I'm pretty confident that this information got its start from inside the building. I believe it first started to make the rounds when the media first floated the idea that Wade might not be retained (as Joseph's candidacy picked up steam). Occam's razor suggests that: 1.) We know there was tension between offense and defense. 2.) We did not make it a priority to retain Wade. 3.) The front office would stand to benefit from providing some narrative to the public for why he was not being made the top priority.

I think that this is one of those "where there's smoke, there is fire" things. The extent to which he divided the locker room is probably overblown - but I'd guess that Kubiak/Elway felt that he was sowing some seeds of division and with his contract up and Kubiak moving on, it gave us an opportunity to go in a different direction.

Nomad
01-23-2017, 04:43 PM
A year ago the BRONCOS were on their way to winning a SB. Today, the BRONCOS have gutted the offensive side of the coaching staff, and sent a great DC down the road. There was definitely some friction there.

GEM
01-23-2017, 04:52 PM
And if there wasn't anything wrong, I would have an issue with it, but I'd be seriously pissed if I was a defensive player and the offense played like it did and my head coach made excuses for the shit play. This is a legendary defense and we didn't even make the playoffs, because the offense sucks monkey balls and the defense could only overcome so much. So if there was a rift, it was a rift that the offense earned.

Cugel
01-23-2017, 05:02 PM
To play devil's advocate, we don't know that that report is false simply because one of Wade's guys had his back. If we start having offensive players refute that report too, that would be much better evidence of the report being bunk.

It's obviously not bunk. We know from public incidents that defensive players - especially including Aquib Talib, publicly called out the offense in a team meeting, telling Russell Okung to shut up and sit down when he tried to address the team after a Broncos loss.

It's true the defense carried the offense all year and obviously some defensive players began to resent it. But, you can't let stuff like that happen or it poisons the locker room. Lots of teams point fingers at each other instead of playing for each other.

Those teams never win SBs. Ever.

Does that mean that Wade was to blame? Not directly, no. But according to Troy Renk, Broncos insider, "the view inside the building [about Wade] was a lot different than the view outside Dove Valley." There were some conflicts. The most interesting reports (unconfirmed) were that Elway would have asked Kubiak to get rid of Wade and promote Joe Woods.

When a team asked to interview Joe Woods, apparently that was the final straw that broke the camel's back. Elway very much didn't want to lose Joe Woods and it was clear that unless they promoted him they would. Wade is 70 years old and no matter how great his unit performed:

#1 - They were not about to make Wade the highest paid DC.
#2 - They were not about to allow Joe Woods to go somewhere else and get coordinator's job, which he would have for sure.

The only way to solve that equation was to get rid of Wade and they did. Kubiak resigning made that easy, but they were determined to do it, ever since Wade refused to renew his contract without getting a raise.

NightTrainLayne
01-23-2017, 05:08 PM
The point about us selling out every home game for DECADES is valid though, because stadium revenue's the one thing each team DOES get to keep to itself (or at least split with each weeks visiting team, but the hosts get the lions share.)

This is the one aspect I always have a question about. I remember when the new stadium was being proposed and voted on that there was some controversy about the revenue sharing of the stadium itself and the team. It's a vague memory, but my memory is that the Broncos maybe don't get as much of the stadium proceeds as some other teams do, but of course the City of Denver et al paid a huge portion of the stadium construction.

So, when I hear about "operational budget constraints" multiple times in the past 10 years, I am always curious how our revenue from the stadium compares to other NFL teams. It is mentioned (cash flow/operation budget) too often for it to be tossed out of hand. There must be something to it.

Cugel
01-23-2017, 05:08 PM
And if there wasn't anything wrong, I would have an issue with it, but I'd be seriously pissed if I was a defensive player and the offense played like it did and my head coach made excuses for the shit play. This is a legendary defense and we didn't even make the playoffs, because the offense sucks monkey balls and the defense could only overcome so much. So if there was a rift, it was a rift that the offense earned.

"Earned"? If you mean that the offense deserved criticism, sure. From fans and sportswriters. NOT from teammates.

A team that points fingers at each other, no matter how well deserved you might think that criticism is, will NEVER win anything. Lots of teams fall apart like that. NONE of them ever win SBs. That's not news.

Every team in the NFL has divisions like this, because virtually every single one has a better offense or defense. It's wildly rare for a team to be equally balanced and have great play from BOTH the offense and defense. It's much more common for one unit to carry the team, hopefully with some help from the other units.

But, you can't have a divided locker room and expect success because that will never happen.

Joel
01-23-2017, 05:17 PM
Max Garcia also tweeted that it was false.

His tweet was:

2017, year of #alternative facts
That says a lot since Garcia 1) is an underperforming offensive starter, 2) has no reason to lie for a someone who a) didn't coach him and b) is no longer on the team and 3) has every reason to toe Dove Valleys line.

My own "hot take" is that the FO is looking for ways to sell exactly what Cugel said: "They were not about to make Wade the highest paid DC." One can't help but wonder why, because it sure as HELL wasn't cash flow, and it's hard to imagine any DC more accomplished and thus valuable than Wade.

NightTerror218
01-23-2017, 06:13 PM
That says a lot since Garcia 1) is an underperforming offensive starter, 2) has no reason to lie for a someone who a) didn't coach him and b) is no longer on the team and 3) has every reason to toe Dove Valleys line.

My own "hot take" is that the FO is looking for ways to sell exactly what Cugel said: "They were not about to make Wade the highest paid DC." One can't help but wonder why, because it sure as HELL wasn't cash flow, and it's hard to imagine any DC more accomplished and thus valuable than Wade.

Rumor was woods was being looked at by other teams. And if he was considered ready as long twrm dc and other dc is 70 and maybe has a couple years left.

Typically elway. Here is what i will offer you. Dont take it and i move on. Like having brady as your QB and luck as your back up. Brady is a FA and so is Luck. Who do you take if you cant have both? You have to look long twrm.

dogfish
01-23-2017, 07:08 PM
Rumor was woods was being looked at by other teams. And if he was considered ready as long twrm dc and other dc is 70 and maybe has a couple years left.

Typically elway. Here is what i will offer you. Dont take it and i move on. Like having brady as your QB and luck as your back up. Brady is a FA and so is Luck. Who do you take if you cant have both? You have to look long twrm.

people keep saying this. . . and i keep reminding them that woods probably won't BE here long term if he's as good as we hope. . . it sounds nice in theory, though. . .

NightTerror218
01-23-2017, 07:17 PM
people keep saying this. . . and i keep reminding them that woods probably won't BE here long term if he's as good as we hope. . . it sounds nice in theory, though. . .

Thing about woods is he keeps the defensive coaches together. He keeps the same system. He is also a first time coordinator. Once again if you a good coordinator does not mean he will leave. Why do people assume if you have a good coordinator that he will be a hc. There are what 32 teams. 3 coordinators. 96 coordinators. Cant assume our 1 will be snagged in a year or two. If he was HC material righr now he would have been interviewed.

MOtorboat
01-23-2017, 07:40 PM
people keep saying this. . . and i keep reminding them that woods probably won't BE here long term if he's as good as we hope. . . it sounds nice in theory, though. . .

That's a good problem to have, though. A problem I think we can definitely live with.

Davii
01-23-2017, 07:56 PM
That's a good problem to have, though. A problem I think we can definitely live with.

Especially if we're looking to the future and grooming that next guy in the pipeline.

Broncoknight30
01-23-2017, 08:33 PM
Thing about woods is he keeps the defensive coaches together. He keeps the same system. He is also a first time coordinator. Once again if you a good coordinator does not mean he will leave. Why do people assume if you have a good coordinator that he will be a hc. There are what 32 teams. 3 coordinators. 96 coordinators. Cant assume our 1 will be snagged in a year or two. If he was HC material righr now he would have been interviewed.

If Woods is truly keeping the 3-4 base, then I am far better with the decision. I know VJ has been a 4-3 guy and I hated the notion of going back to that.

If they are truly keeping the system, then I am far better with the prospects for next season.

MOtorboat
01-23-2017, 08:42 PM
If Woods is truly keeping the 3-4 base, then I am far better with the decision. I know VJ has been a 4-3 guy and I hated the notion of going back to that.

If they are truly keeping the system, then I am far better with the prospects for next season.

Joseph has coached both. He's not "a 4-3 guy" in the manner that Del Rio was. He employed one in Miami because that's the type of players he had on the roster. He coached in a 3-4 in Houston and a 4-3 in Cincinnati.

Hawgdriver
01-23-2017, 09:24 PM
Especially if we're looking to the future and grooming that next guy in the pipeline.

It means to me that Broncos are having success. Unfortunately the talented coordinators on the less successful teams don't get the love.