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Rick
01-01-2017, 10:29 PM
Just discussing other openings and who may be interested in certain coaches, to see who may poach whatever coach we are looking at.

Available candidates out there.

Kyle Shanahan
Vance Joseph
Tom Coughlin
Scott Linehan
Anthony Lynn
Josh McDaniels
Rick Dennison
Jim Harbaugh

Openings:

Buffalo.

This is where Lynn will end up. I think he is worth discussing in the mix at Denver as I think he did well in Buffalo once he took over the offense, but I don't think Buffalo gives him a chance to get on a plane.

Jacksonville.

I think this is where Coughlin goes. I think Jacksonville will wan a guy who can just right the ship and will not want to take a chance on an unproven HC after Bradley. Works for me, I have no interest in Coughlin and feel he is the wrong man for the job here.

LA.

I think LA swings a deal to get Sean Payton. They are looking for an experienced coach and a splashy hire and a guy to mold their young QB. He meets all the requirements.

N.O.

With losing Payton, I think McDaniels is headed to N.O. He will be a good match with Brees and speedy slot guy Cooks. Suits me fine, no interest in a McDaniels rerun.

That basically leaves Denver, SD and SF competing over anyone else.

I think Dennison is out. Only reason I have him here is if Elway wants continuity on the offense. I don't think he goes this direction.

Only team I hear "interested" in Vance Joseph is Denver. We will interview him I am sure but I just can't bring myself to believe Vance is truly a top candidate. Miami's defense really wasn't that good and our own defense wasn't a problem.

I think we go offense.

I am all in on Kyle Shanahan. I think he offers some continuity with a similar offense, but adds creativity and recent success. His birds are flying high right now.

Harbaugh is on the list only because he is always on someone's list. I don't really think he is leaving Michigan.

I have Linehan on the list because of the success Dallas has had this year. How much of that is because of Linehan?

I don't think Kyle will be interested in SD. I just don't think what they have fits the mold of the offense he runs. I think SD will be hiring someone not on my list but Linehan could be a candidate here.

I think it could be close between Denver and SF for Kyle.

Will SF want to take a chance on a young HC after the failed marriage with Harbaugh and horrible hires of Tomsula and Kelly? Will they, like Jacksonville, want someone who can just come in and right the ship? I think they will want someone not on my list. On top of this, does Kyle even want a total reclamation project as his first gig?

I think we have the best chance of getting him, assuming John wants to go this direction.

Dark Horse.

Indy.

Most things I read indicate Pagano is currently safe because of the cost to get rid of him. If this changes, Kyle goes here. Luck would be a dream QB for Kyle.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
01-01-2017, 10:31 PM
Good post...I'll throw it out there that McCoy is available now too.

NightTerror218
01-01-2017, 10:36 PM
Most big names like having full player roster control and elway will not allow that. So that may trim the options. Also depending on who their coordinators are as well. 3-4 defense is perfect for our roster. 4-3 wnot fit and would ask miller to be de again and ray would be moved to a back up and would need more coverage LB.

And if the report that wade philips has an invite to rwmain as DC then coach would need to accept that

Rick
01-01-2017, 10:40 PM
Good post...I'll throw it out there that McCoy is available now too.

I don't think anyone will be interested in McCoy. If anything, I see him back in some role under Fox.

Jaded
01-01-2017, 10:42 PM
My vote goes to Frank "Stiff" Sardoni Jr.

/thread

Hawgdriver
01-01-2017, 10:43 PM
Most big names like having full player roster control and elway will not allow that. So that may trim the options. Also depending on who their coordinators are as well. 3-4 defense is perfect for our roster. 4-3 wnot fit and would ask miller to be de again and ray would be moved to a back up and would need more coverage LB.

And if the report that wade philips has an invite to rwmain as DC then coach would need to accept that

Would imagine any coach would want Wade to say on, outside of that one control freak coach we had for a few games, can't remember his name now. McDeveroux or something.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
01-01-2017, 10:43 PM
I don't think anyone will be interested in McCoy. If anything, I see him back in some role under Fox.

I agree with you, but I think he's a good coach

Hawgdriver
01-01-2017, 10:44 PM
Yeah, Bill McDeveroux was his name.

spikerman
01-01-2017, 10:56 PM
I think you meant Jim Harbaugh but I don't think Jim or John are serious candidates. They're both head coaches in cushy gigs already.

Rick
01-01-2017, 11:00 PM
You are correct, I meant Jim.

I agree, I don't see him going back to the NFL, but as he is always on everyone's list I tossed him there.

Another name mentioned in another thread by some is Jim Bob Cooter. The success he has had with both Manning and Stafford, that rings Rivers to me. I could see that has a very good fit while SD maximizes the time he has left.

BORDERLINE
01-01-2017, 11:01 PM
Good post...I'll throw it out there that McCoy is available now too.

I would like this hire as well. Chargers play tuff mostly. A lot of injuries and just a difficult city to play in. They are always an away team.

McCoy did a great job playing to players strengths (Tebow) he can put whoever our QB is a a good situation

Rick
01-01-2017, 11:10 PM
I think it is possible SD could also consider Austin and try and*build a competitive tough defense.

Either way, I do not think SD is completion for Kyle if that is*who we are trying for.

Jaded
01-02-2017, 04:19 AM
McCoy sure has come a long way since he was the guy holding Tebow back, iirc, his play calling sucks too.

Dapper Dan
01-02-2017, 07:38 AM
You forgot to add Jon Gruden.

Rick
01-02-2017, 12:45 PM
I really didn't think Dennison had a shot but didn't know what Elway was planning in regards to continuity.

We can officially rule Dennison out, Elway was asked if anyone on the current staff was being considered for HC and he said no.

VonDoom
01-02-2017, 12:50 PM
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 8m8 minutes ago

An Elway-Shanahan connection again? Broncos have requested permission to interview Falcons OC Kyle Shanahan, per source.

Rick
01-02-2017, 12:56 PM
Has there been any other reports on teams requesting to meet with him?

Latest I read indicated SF might be interested in McDaniels. If so, that might take them out of competition for Kyle, though I still think McDaniels ends up with the Saints because of Brees.

Rick
01-02-2017, 01:02 PM
49ers and Rams have both asked to interview Kyle.

silkamilkamonico
01-02-2017, 01:17 PM
49ers and Rams have both asked to interview Kyle.

All open vacancies should be at least talking to him.

Nomad
01-02-2017, 02:36 PM
Kyle Shanahan has it gravy. He's gonna get a big payday.

I Eat Staples
01-02-2017, 02:40 PM
I like Kyle Shanahan. I want nothing to do with Mike McCoy, and the idea that we'd even entertain bringing McDaniels back is not even worth addressing.

NightTerror218
01-02-2017, 02:43 PM
Kyle rins a zone block type scheme as well. Modified kubiak system.

I think he would also keep wade as opposed to an older established coach who has his people

Rick
01-02-2017, 02:44 PM
I am still most worried about the Colts and what they do with Pagano.

I think we are close enough to being a contender that we can battle to get whatever coach we want with nearly any team.

The temptation to coach a QB of Luck's caliber...that could be something we cannot contend with.

Cugel
01-02-2017, 03:23 PM
I really didn't think Dennison had a shot but didn't know what Elway was planning in regards to continuity.

We can officially rule Dennison out, Elway was asked if anyone on the current staff was being considered for HC and he said no.

Why on earth would Elway want to PROMOTE Dennison after the spectacular fail on offense? Unlike corporate America there's very little "failing upward" in the NFL. It's too easy to see lack of performance when you get a "W" or an "L" on your report card every week. You don't just come to an NFL job, fail miserably to win games because your offense sucks, and then get a head coaching job.

If I were Dennison, I'd be talking to my agent a lot.

Nomad
01-02-2017, 03:25 PM
Keeping Dennison anywhere near Dove Valley would be a fail on Elway's part.

Rick
01-02-2017, 03:28 PM
Only reason he was on the list was he was interviewed for the position twice before. Wasn't going to rule him out.

Nomad
01-02-2017, 04:31 PM
Reading that the LA Rams are open to trading for Sean Payton..... when did the NFL start with the trading coaches option, or has the NFL always had this option?

Rick
01-02-2017, 04:34 PM
Tampa traded for Gruden from the faiders back in the day if I remember correctly.

Rick
01-02-2017, 04:37 PM
Tampa traded for Gruden from the faiders back in the day if I remember correctly.

http://static.espn.go.com/nfl/news/2002/0218/1335853.html

Dapper Dan
01-02-2017, 04:38 PM
Tampa traded for Gruden from the faiders back in the day if I remember correctly.

Yes

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
01-02-2017, 04:51 PM
McCoy did a good job with San Diego's offense. Their wide receivers got decimated and Rivers still had an excellent year. Their defense couldn't stop anybody

VonDoom
01-02-2017, 05:16 PM
So there's this ...

https://twitter.com/sonofbum/status/816034149500911616

... but then there's also this:

https://twitter.com/sonofbum/status/816038254172454912

Cugel
01-02-2017, 05:32 PM
Tampa traded for Gruden from the faiders back in the day if I remember correctly.
They gave up a first round draft pick. And then Gruden knew absolutely every play Rich Gannon was going to run in the SB. And the Tampa defense crushed them. And Dexter Jackson (?) was SB MVP.

Denver Native (Carol)
01-02-2017, 05:37 PM
Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 2h

#Broncos could interview Anthony Lynn, who played in Denver. He has built impressive resume. #Bills job is his to lose. @DenverChannel

aberdien
01-02-2017, 05:52 PM
So there's this ...

https://twitter.com/sonofbum/status/816034149500911616

... but then there's also this:

https://twitter.com/sonofbum/status/816038254172454912

The writing must be on the wall.

Dapper Dan
01-02-2017, 05:53 PM
The writing must be on the wall.

What's on the wall and why?

Rick
01-02-2017, 05:55 PM
Lyn is intriguing but I don't think Buffalo lets him go, and I am a little worried about his experience.

He has only been an OC for this season.

I would prefer looking at him over any other current candidate other than Kyle though.

Personally if we were to look at a young coach with limited NFL OC or DC experience, I would prefer they look at Shaw from Stanford.

aberdien
01-02-2017, 05:59 PM
What's on the wall and why?

Well he's implying that he will soon be unemployed.

King87
01-02-2017, 06:13 PM
Well he's implying that he will soon be unemployed.

There was a report that WP was told he had a job as long as he wanted it. Shit is crazy.

Rick
01-02-2017, 06:16 PM
We have requested an interview with Vance Joseph.

San Diego has also requested an interview.

King87
01-02-2017, 06:19 PM
The answer is not a defensive head coach. Well, not necessarily. If the HC is a defensive guy, but he leaves Wade Phillips in, and then finds a strong OC, that's fine. But if we lose out on Wade Phillips my soul will be on fire.

For the love of god get Sean Payton.

Denver Native (Carol)
01-02-2017, 06:19 PM
Jason Cole ‏@JasonColeBR 33m

Informal poll of 7 NFL execs ranking current open jobs:
1. Broncos (unanimous)
2. Jaguars
3. Chargers
4. Rams
5. 49ers
6. Bills

chazoe60
01-02-2017, 06:25 PM
Anyone else find it interesting that this downhill slide corresponds with king becoming a bronco fan?

Rick
01-02-2017, 06:26 PM
I think I would do it:

1. Broncos
2. Rams
3. Jaguars
4. Chargers
5. 49ers
6. Bills

Watched some stupid video, I think on ESPN, that the guy was saying he feels SF is best. He lost all credibility when he gave a reason why being the cupboard is bare there and the coach can build it entirely how he wants.

To me this is junk, a new coach won't be given that kind of time in most jobs to completely rebuild, and especially not in SF.

Dapper Dan
01-02-2017, 06:26 PM
Well he's implying that he will soon be unemployed.

Why would he write that on the wall?

Anyway. I hope the new coach is smart and keeps him.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
01-02-2017, 06:27 PM
Anyone else find it interesting that this downhill slide corresponds with king becoming a bronco fan?

Yes, I've thought of penning a lengthy rebuke.

Rick
01-02-2017, 07:15 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000768686/article/falcons-oc-kyle-shanahan-to-interview-for-four-teams

ShaneFalco
01-02-2017, 07:28 PM
stupid ass thread with no poll.

#offended

Rick
01-02-2017, 07:39 PM
It's not about a poll, it's about tracking the available candidates and who may be poaching the one we want :)

Nomad
01-02-2017, 08:12 PM
So is Mike and Kyle a package deal, if so, what role could the BRONCOS offer Mike in a FO capacity? Do the Shanahan's want their own fingerprints on a team? I believe the 9er fans wishlist is Mike comes in at GM and Kyle as HC.

Dapper Dan
01-02-2017, 08:16 PM
No one wants their dad hanging around while they work.

Nomad
01-02-2017, 08:19 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000761165/article/mike-shanahan-its-smarter-to-hire-kyle-than-me

http://www.knbr.com/2016/11/28/would-the-shanahans-be-willing-to-save-the-49ers/

VonDoom
01-02-2017, 09:56 PM
So is Mike and Kyle a package deal, if so, what role could the BRONCOS offer Mike in a FO capacity? Do the Shanahan's want their own fingerprints on a team? I believe the 9er fans wishlist is Mike comes in at GM and Kyle as HC.

A desperate team like the 49ers might want them as a GM/coach combo deal. But that's not us. And we have a GM already.

Hawgdriver
01-02-2017, 09:58 PM
Jason Cole ‏@JasonColeBR 33m

Informal poll of 7 NFL execs ranking current open jobs:
1. Broncos (unanimous)
2. Jaguars
3. Chargers
4. Rams
5. 49ers
6. Bills

Amen.

Hawgdriver
01-02-2017, 09:59 PM
stupid ass thread with no poll.

#offended

You nailed it, LC. Impostor thread is try-hard-esque.

Denver Native (Carol)
01-02-2017, 10:22 PM
On Friday and Saturday, Shanahan will meet with the Rams, Jaguars, Broncos and 49ers before the Falcons -- armed with the No. 2 seed in the NFC -- begin full preparations for the divisional round of the playoffs.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000768686/article/falcons-oc-kyle-shanahan-to-interview-for-four-teams?campaign=tw-nf-sf49187530-sf49187530

Denver Native (Carol)
01-02-2017, 10:32 PM
Ellis: Next coach must carry tradition of success
Broncos President/CEO Joe Ellis sits down with BTV's Phil Milani to talk about Gary Kubiak's legacy and the state of the franchise.

http://www.denverbroncos.com/multimedia/videos/Ellis-Next-coach-must-carry-tradition-of-success/622e6020-edcb-43d9-91a4-b4501834700a

Elway: Kubiak always part of Broncos family
John Elway sits down with BTV's Phil Milani to talk about Gary Kubiak's retirement, what he's looking for in coaching candidate and how he sells the Broncos as a top job.

http://www.denverbroncos.com/multimedia/videos/Elway_Kubiak_always_part_of_Broncos_family/a40cf14d-c5f3-48d7-af04-7a398f2342fc

Rick
01-02-2017, 10:35 PM
A desperate team like the 49ers might want them as a GM/coach combo deal. But that's not us. And we have a GM already.

Yes, we won't do that but we may*very well lose out on Kyle if THEY do.

Question would be, since that would put Mike as Kyles boss more than likely, does Kyle want*a relationship like that?*

Hawgdriver
01-02-2017, 11:01 PM
I don't want anything to do with a Kyle/Mike combo unless Elway does.

Nomad
01-02-2017, 11:05 PM
I don't want anything to do with a Kyle/Mike combo unless Elway does.

That's all that matters. #inelwaywetrust

Hawgdriver
01-02-2017, 11:06 PM
That's all that matters. #inelwaywetrust

He's earned it. Simple.

VonDoom
01-03-2017, 03:17 PM
Rand Getlin Verified account
‏@Rand_Getlin

I'm told #Dolphins defensive coordinator Vance Joseph is set to meet with the #Broncos and #49ers about their head-coaching vacancies.

VonDoom
01-03-2017, 03:18 PM
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 5h5 hours ago

#Chargers request to interview #Chiefs special teams coach Dave Toub, source said & the #Broncos expected to do the same. Lot of interest.

chazoe60
01-03-2017, 03:26 PM
Anyone else find it interesting that this downhill slide corresponds with king becoming a bronco fan?

King, we demand answers

underrated29
01-03-2017, 03:32 PM
i WANT TO KNOW WHAt kind of offense Vance runs or would want to run or has come from? Who can answer this?

By all accounts its going to be him as HC

chazoe60
01-03-2017, 03:46 PM
Im enjoying the Sean Payton talk, but I don't consider it an actual possibility.

MOtorboat
01-03-2017, 07:20 PM
i WANT TO KNOW WHAt kind of offense Vance runs or would want to run or has come from? Who can answer this?

By all accounts its going to be him as HC

The oop-dee-oop. It's gonna be awesome.

HORSEPOWER 56
01-03-2017, 07:23 PM
The oop-dee-oop. It's gonna be awesome.

I was really hoping for the Wing-T, triple option...

MOtorboat
01-03-2017, 07:24 PM
I was really hoping for the Wing-T, triple option...

There will be some winging, but no Wing-T. He's bringing in Moxon and Tweeter and we're going to wing it all over the field.

Dapper Dan
01-03-2017, 07:28 PM
The oop-dee-oop. It's gonna be awesome.

Oop-dee-oop?! They can't run a simple draw!

MOtorboat
01-03-2017, 07:30 PM
Oop-dee-oop?! They can't run a simple draw!

Exactly my point.

Jaded
01-03-2017, 08:07 PM
Im enjoying the Sean Payton talk, but I don't consider it an actual possibility.

How bout a No1 pick for Sean Payton and Terron Armstead, Their freaklete LT? 6-5/300, 4.7's and ridiculously intelligent.

King87
01-03-2017, 08:56 PM
Anyone else find it interesting that this downhill slide corresponds with king becoming a bronco fan?

:(:(:(:(:(

VonDoom
01-04-2017, 11:54 AM
Jeff Legwold ‏@Jeff_Legwold 1h1 hour ago

Ah gimme re-write Former #Broncos player and assistant Anthony Lynn obviously Buffalo interim HC -- will interview next week with #Broncos

Jeff Legwold ‏@Jeff_Legwold 1h1 hour ago

So, in #Broncos will talk to Dave Toub, Kyle Shanahan this week, expected to talk to Lynn next week, Joseph as soon as rules allow.

Then again ...

Nicki Jhabvala ‏@NickiJhabvala 1h1 hour ago

Broncos set to interview Dave Toub on Friday. Been told they don't have anything planned with Anthony Lynn.

Mike Klis ‏@MikeKlis 1h1 hour ago

Contrary to report, Broncos have not sought permission for Anthony Lynn and have nothing scheduled with him.

underrated29
01-04-2017, 12:00 PM
The oop-dee-oop. It's gonna be awesome.

Are you going to dance it?

MOtorboat
01-04-2017, 12:19 PM
Are you going to dance it?

It's not a dance, UR.

Hawgdriver
01-04-2017, 12:20 PM
It's not a dance, UR.

But you could make it one.

Slick
01-04-2017, 12:22 PM
Vance Joseph will be the next head coach of the Denver Broncos. You heard it here first.

turftoad
01-04-2017, 12:26 PM
Looks like it's gonna be Joseph.

Broncos coaching job is Vance Joseph's to lose, per report.

http://broncoswire.usatoday.com/2017/01/03/vance-joseph-favorite-to-become-next-denver-broncos-head-coach/

weazel
01-04-2017, 12:27 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb and be the first to say that Vance Joseph will most likely be the next Broncos coach ...maybe

VonDoom
01-04-2017, 12:28 PM
Looks like it's gonna be Joseph.

Broncos coaching job is Vance Joseph's to lose, per report.

http://broncoswire.usatoday.com/2017/01/03/vance-joseph-favorite-to-become-next-denver-broncos-head-coach/

I think that's pure speculation at this point. No one has even interviewed yet. I think Joseph and young Shanny are the favorites though.

turftoad
01-04-2017, 12:32 PM
I think that's pure speculation at this point. No one has even interviewed yet. I think Joseph and young Shanny are the favorites though.

I hope it's Shanny because we need an offensive minded coach if wade stays.
It says in the article that Joseph was second choice when we hired Kubiak so I don't think it's much of a stretch to think he'd be the front runner.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
01-04-2017, 12:55 PM
Looks like it's gonna be Joseph.

Broncos coaching job is Vance Joseph's to lose, per report.

http://broncoswire.usatoday.com/2017/01/03/vance-joseph-favorite-to-become-next-denver-broncos-head-coach/

This looks like nothing more than speculation based on Eway's previous interest as a D.C.

NightTerror218
01-04-2017, 11:26 PM
I read report that job is Kyle shanahans to lose. Saw article on facebook.

All speculation.

chazoe60
01-04-2017, 11:28 PM
I read report that job is kule shanahans to lose. Saw article on facebook.

All speculation.

kule shanahan was my first choice

underrated29
01-04-2017, 11:32 PM
He's one Kule dude that's for sure

Nomad
01-05-2017, 12:46 AM
UR......have you gone cross eyed:lol:

Freyaka
01-05-2017, 10:25 AM
I think that's pure speculation at this point. No one has even interviewed yet. I think Joseph and young Shanny are the favorites though.

It is. I've heard reports that it's Vances job to lose, but we haven't even interviewed anyone yet, who knows what will happen in a weeks time. He could interview poorly and we could go another way, same with Shanny. One way or another we'll know in a couple weeks.

Freyaka
01-05-2017, 10:27 AM
I read report that job is Kyle shanahans to lose. Saw article on facebook.

All speculation.

I've heard the same report about Joseph. It's all just talk right now...

Freyaka
01-05-2017, 10:29 AM
I hope it's Shanny because we need an offensive minded coach if wade stays.
It says in the article that Joseph was second choice when we hired Kubiak so I don't think it's much of a stretch to think he'd be the front runner.

I'm on board the shanny jr train, but...Someone posted earlier the offensive rankings of teams with offensive minded coaches and teams with defensive minded coaches...Let's just say at least this year, defensive minded coaches seem to have the leg up (by a large amount) I think the reason for that is when you have an offensive minded coach, he tends to meddle in the offense. When it's a defensive minded coach, he's more likely to let the OC run his own scheme the way he wants it. If you have a strong OC, that might be the better way IMO.

Freyaka
01-05-2017, 10:32 AM
Im enjoying the Sean Payton talk, but I don't consider it an actual possibility.

McD will end up with the Niners, Peyton will end up with the Rams IMO.

TXBRONC
01-05-2017, 11:36 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if Kyle Shanahan is hired as head coach. Going with a coach well schooled the WCO and as such should provided a fairly easy transition.

NightTerror218
01-05-2017, 12:26 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Kyle Shanahan is hired as head coach. Going would provide a coach well schooled the WCO and as such should provided a fairly easy transition.

Changing up offense coyld really hurt our young QBs.

Valar Morghulis
01-05-2017, 01:19 PM
Kyle as HC who also calls plays

MOtorboat
01-05-2017, 01:24 PM
Kyle as HC who also calls plays

No thanks.

TXBRONC
01-05-2017, 03:20 PM
Changing up offense coyld really hurt our young QBs.

Could but not necessarily.

dogfish
01-05-2017, 05:44 PM
san diego just interviewed mike smith, the former long-time falcons coach. . . i'm afraid he'd be a really good hire for them. . .

spikerman
01-05-2017, 05:46 PM
san diego just interviewed mike smith, the former long-time falcons coach. . . i'm afraid he'd be a really good hire for them. . .
He didn't impress me with the Falcons. I'd be fine with that.

HORSEPOWER 56
01-05-2017, 05:47 PM
san diego just interviewed mike smith, the former long-time falcons coach. . . i'm afraid he'd be a really good hire for them. . .

Maybe. Matt Ryan and the offense regressed a little under Smith. He's a good defensive mind, but he needs a good OC.

VonDoom
01-05-2017, 06:02 PM
Don't like this:

Alex Marvez ‏@alexmarvez 2h2 hours ago

If/when Vance Joseph gets @Broncos HC job, @sn_nfl is told DBs coach Joe Woods would be promoted to DC replacing @sonofbum.

Alex Marvez ‏@alexmarvez 2h2 hours ago

Like @ProFootballTalk 1st reported, @sonofbum possibility as @Redskins DC. @sn_nfl is told return as @Broncos DC unlikely.

weazel
01-05-2017, 06:05 PM
hmm

slim
01-05-2017, 06:05 PM
Don't like this:

Alex Marvez ‏@alexmarvez 2h2 hours ago

If/when Vance Joseph gets @Broncos HC job, @sn_nfl is told DBs coach Joe Woods would be promoted to DC replacing @sonofbum.

Alex Marvez ‏@alexmarvez 2h2 hours ago

Like @ProFootballTalk 1st reported, @sonofbum possibility as @Redskins DC. @sn_nfl is told return as @Broncos DC unlikely.

If it ain't broke....

I don’t get it either. This is why Kyle makes the most sense to me.

Denver Native (Carol)
01-05-2017, 06:11 PM
from article:


The process to find Gary Kubiak's replacement begins in earnest this weekend. The Broncos will interview Kansas City Chiefs special teams coach Dave Toub on Friday, Atlanta offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan on Saturday and Miami defensive coordinator Vance Joseph likely early next week.

Joseph interviewed well with the Broncos two years ago, leading to an offer for the defensive coordinator's job, but the Bengals blocked the move. Joseph worked with Kubiak in Houston and provides a rather unique skill set as a former quarterback with a defensive coach's background. If the Dolphins lose at Pittsburgh, the expectation is Joseph will interview in Denver. With a Dolphins win, the Broncos could travel to Miami to speak with him.

According to NFL columnist Alex Marvez, the Broncos' job is Joseph's "to lose." One thing is certain: Joseph is a strong candidate. As is Shanahan. NFL Network said Shanahan's preference is the Broncos' position even as he interviews earmarked with Jacksonville, Los Angeles and San Francisco. Shanahan leads the the NFL's highest-scoring offense. He has grown as a coordinator, brings expertise in coaching the offensive line (a clear Denver issue) and appears ready to take the next step.

full article - http://www.thedenverchannel.com/sports/broncos/broncos-coaching-search-shifts-into-high-gear-this-weekend-with-interviews-for-shanahan-toub

weazel
01-05-2017, 06:22 PM
Don't like this:

Alex Marvez ‏@alexmarvez 2h2 hours ago

If/when Vance Joseph gets @Broncos HC job, @sn_nfl is told DBs coach Joe Woods would be promoted to DC replacing @sonofbum.

Alex Marvez ‏@alexmarvez 2h2 hours ago

Like @ProFootballTalk 1st reported, @sonofbum possibility as @Redskins DC. @sn_nfl is told return as @Broncos DC unlikely.

This doesn't make sense. Why would a previous DC come in and promote a current guy to DC, he would bring in his own guys. I could see them promoting Woods if an previous OC came in as coach but not this.

Hawgdriver
01-05-2017, 10:21 PM
Philips taking orders from VJ would be awks.. Wade would probably be fine with the lateral to DC to be with son and avoid friction with former pupil as boss.

Jsteve01
01-05-2017, 10:47 PM
Wade doesn't strike me as a friction type of a guy. and the background with other coaches from Houston makes sense.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
01-05-2017, 10:51 PM
Wade doesn't strike me as a friction type of a guy. and the background with other coaches from Houston makes sense.

Yeah Hawg, what he said

Hawgdriver
01-05-2017, 11:03 PM
It seems unrealistic to me that Wade wouldn't chafe at his protege's suggestions for improvement...suggestions period...but I get that he's a pro and can follow orders. It's possible that the DC DC opening is just a sweet enough gig to tip him that direction.

A lot depends on the maturity of VJ, if he ends up the guy. What Wade has built here is no minor thing...love to see it continue as it is...was.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
01-05-2017, 11:05 PM
You're pretty happy with yourself for the D.C. D.C. Thing aren't ya?

Denver Native (Carol)
01-05-2017, 11:14 PM
Broncos defensive coordinator Wade Phillips is unemployed, but he wants to stay in Denver. With a vacancy now in Washington, could the Super Bowl 50 champions have some competition?

Three years ago, Phillips was a candidate to join Jay Grudenís initial staff. Given the NFLís advancement-limiting rules that allow teams to block position coaches under contract from accepting promotions to a coordinator position elsewhere, finding a new coordinator can be a challenge.

And itís possible that the availability of Wade Phillips, regarded as one of the great defensive minds in the game, has motivated the decision to part ways with defensive coordinator Joe Barry.

It will be interesting to see whether Washington complies with the unwritten expansion of the Rooney Rule, which now applies to coordinator positions that become open under an incumbent head coach. Seven years ago, Washington made a mockery of the Rooney Rule by interviewing Jerry Gray for a vacancy that didnít even exist so that a path could be cleared for the quick hiring of Mike Shanahan to coach the team.

It was Mike Shanahan who brought his son, Kyle Shanahan, to Washington. And it could be the presence of Wadeís son, tight ends coach Wes Phillips, that lures Wade to town as well.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/05/will-washington-make-a-run-at-wade-phillips

Hawgdriver
01-05-2017, 11:14 PM
you're pretty happy with yourself for the d.c. D.c. Thing aren't ya?

i m. I m.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
01-05-2017, 11:23 PM
i m. I m.

Insolent *%%£Ä# 😂

King87
01-05-2017, 11:28 PM
Hawg...you're letting everyone who voted for you down right now.

underrated29
01-06-2017, 12:27 AM
Iii

Hawgdriver
01-06-2017, 01:42 AM
Hawg...you're letting everyone who voted for you down right now.

I still think we can make this work. Maybe counseling?

King87
01-06-2017, 01:51 AM
I still think we can make this work. Maybe counseling?

Hashtags, man. We want them.

Hawgdriver
01-06-2017, 01:56 AM
#King:ㅒNietzsche::#Style:ㅒGod

Jaded
01-06-2017, 02:06 AM
No thanks.

Would you be more comfortable with God only knows who he hired as "OC"?

Jaded
01-06-2017, 02:08 AM
Maybe. Matt Ryan and the offense regressed a little under Smith. He's a good defensive mind, but he needs a good OC.

SD is looking at mostly defensive minded candidates because they wanna keep Whisenhunt. Which sucks, imo.

King87
01-06-2017, 02:12 AM
#King:ㅒNietzsche::#Style:ㅒGod

:laugh:

MOtorboat
01-06-2017, 02:46 AM
Would you be more comfortable with God only knows who he hired as "OC"?

I would always feel more comfortable with having a head coach and an offensive coordinator with separated duties.

MOtorboat
01-06-2017, 02:47 AM
SD is looking at mostly defensive minded candidates because they wanna keep Whisenhunt. Which sucks, imo.

Also dumb. If you move on, you should move on, and let the new head coach decide who he wants in specific positions instead of boxing him in.

Jaded
01-06-2017, 03:28 AM
I would always feel more comfortable with having a head coach and an offensive coordinator with separated duties.

Rumor is Shanahan's likely OC candidate would be staying in Atlanta as their OC anyway.

Rick
01-06-2017, 08:40 AM
Reports are Irsay has told Pagano he is staying for another season.

Outside of a dumb decision by Elway, the Colts were who I feared the most as what great offensive mind wouldn't want to coach Andrew Luck...

Freyaka
01-06-2017, 09:12 AM
I would always feel more comfortable with having a head coach and an offensive coordinator with separated duties.

This we can for sure agree on among our many disagreements :)

Though I still feel like I'd rather have Shanny as our coach despite our agreement on keeping those duties separate.

slim
01-06-2017, 09:46 AM
I would always feel more comfortable with having a head coach and an offensive coordinator with separated duties.

Some guys make the dual role work quite well. I don't think it is a big deal, really.

VonDoom
01-06-2017, 04:45 PM
John Elway ‏@johnelway 6m6 minutes ago

Just wrapped up our interview with Dave Toub in KC. He's a great coach & person who has a very impressive track record with special teams.

underrated29
01-06-2017, 04:47 PM
John Elway ‏@johnelway 6m6 minutes ago

Just wrapped up our interview with Dave Toub in KC. He's a great coach & person who has a very impressive track record with special teams.



lol
That means nope

Buff
01-06-2017, 05:01 PM
lol
That means nope

Ha! My thoughts exactly. The fact that he dropped special teams in there is a "thanks but no thanks".

Denver Native (Carol)
01-06-2017, 07:32 PM
KUSA - The process of making the most important decision of the Denver Broncosí immediate future had moved to the Westin Hotel at Crown Center in downtown Kansas City.

It was Kansas City Chiefsí special teams coordinator Dave Toub interviewing with five members of the Broncosí hierarchy: Team president Joe Ellis, general manager John Elway, director of player personnel Matt Russell, do-everything administrator Mark Thewes and the Broncosí vice president of public relations among other duties, Patrick Smyth.

At stake: The Broncosí head coaching position vacated earlier this week when Gary Kubiak retired.

The meeting lasted nearly 4 hours, which could be a good sign for Toub. Interviews for non-serious candidates tend to last 2 or 3 hours.

Some head coach candidates are hot because of their offense. See the Broncosí contingent scheduled meeting Saturday with Atlanta Falcons offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan. Some candidates are hot because of their defense. See the Broncosí interest in Vance Joseph, the defensive coordinator for the Miami Dolphins, who bring a 10-6 record into their AFC wild-card playoff game Sunday at Pittsburgh.

Toub is a hot special teams coordinator. See, Tyreek Hill returning two punts and a kickoff for touchdowns this year and Devin Hesterís record-setting work in Chicago a decade ago.

But Toub, 54, is also considered a stronger leader. Shanahan has only led offensive players. Joseph has only led defensive players. Special teams coordinators have to deal with players on both offense and defense.

In his 16 NFL seasons, Toub has been part of nine playoff appearances, five conference championship games, and one Super Bowl appearance.

Joseph is considered the frontrunner. He sold the Broncosí contingent two years ago when interviewing for the head job Gary Kubiak received.

Elway may be seeking some stronger discipline for his team that appeared to splinter late in the season and Joseph is considered both a playersí coach who has an alpha style of leadership.

But Toubís ability to lead is considered off the charts. The Broncos may make their decision on a new head coach as soon as next week.

http://www.9news.com/sports/toub-finishes-head-coach-interview-with-broncos-shanahan-next/383151775

gregbroncs
01-06-2017, 07:53 PM
The nice thing about Toub would be he would need both an offensive and defensive coordinator, that might bode well for Wade Phillips staying. The bad thing is it might bode well for some of the offensive coaches staying as well.

spikerman
01-06-2017, 07:57 PM
The nice thing about Toub would be he would need both an offensive and defensive coordinator, that might bode well for Wade Phillips staying. The bad thing is it might bode well for some of the offensive coaches staying as well.
Whoever the new coach is will clean house on the offensive side of the ball, with Studesville being the exception. It would
be tough to justify more of the same after the last two years.

VonDoom
01-06-2017, 08:48 PM
Whoever the new coach is will clean house on the offensive side of the ball, with Studesville being the exception. It would
be tough to justify more of the same after the last two years.

Studesville and cockroaches will survive nuclear winter

dogfish
01-06-2017, 09:53 PM
The nice thing about Toub would be he would need both an offensive and defensive coordinator, that might bode well for Wade Phillips staying. The bad thing is it might bode well for some of the offensive coaches staying as well.

toub's as smart as they come. . . i just can't see him doing anything that stupid. . . :laugh: :fear:

Denver Native (Carol)
01-07-2017, 05:16 PM
ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- The Denver Broncos have finished interviews with the first two candidates for their head coaching job, and Miami Dolphins Vance Joseph potentially will be up next in the coming days.

AND


If the Broncos donít make a deal with one of those initial three candidates or simply decided they need to speak to more, Seattle Seahawks offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell could get a long look, as could Buffalo Bills interim head coach Anthony Lynn, a former Broncos player and assistant coach.

As of the close of business Friday, the Broncos had reviewed those two candidates but had not formally requested permission to interview either of them as they appeared to zero in on Shanahan, Toub and Joseph in what is a competitive marketplace with six teams on the hunt for new head coaches.

full article - http://www.espn.com/blog/denver-broncos/post/_/id/24559/broncos-wrap-up-first-two-interviews-now-eye-vance-joseph

King87
01-07-2017, 06:10 PM
Hey Carol,

Who do you want as HC?

Denver Native (Carol)
01-07-2017, 06:39 PM
Hey Carol,

Who do you want as HC?

Kyle

Dapper Dan
01-07-2017, 11:47 PM
9992

Valar Morghulis
01-08-2017, 02:02 AM
<img src="http://www.broncosforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=9992"/>


Lol

pnbronco
01-08-2017, 01:07 PM
Kyle

Me too Carol....me too.

Nomad
01-08-2017, 01:12 PM
Me too Carol....me too.

You ladies just think he's pleasant on the eyes! :D

spikerman
01-08-2017, 01:12 PM
Just posted this in another thread

After watching that Miami defense on the opening possession I hope Elway cancels the scheduled interview with Vance Joseph.

Nomad
01-08-2017, 01:14 PM
Just posted this in another thread

After watching that Miami defense on the opening possession I hope Elway cancels the scheduled interview with Vance Joseph.

You do realize Joseph is the mere imagine of the HC on the other side of the field (before he became HC).

MOtorboat
01-08-2017, 01:15 PM
Just posted this in another thread

After watching that Miami defense on the opening possession I hope Elway cancels the scheduled interview with Vance Joseph.

I hope Elway doesn't base his hiring on one drive.

spikerman
01-08-2017, 01:15 PM
You do realize Joseph is the mere imagine of the HC on the other side of the field.

Mirror image? That doesn't help his cause in my eyes.

spikerman
01-08-2017, 01:16 PM
I hope Elway doesn't base his hiring on one drive.

He could also base it off of the bad defense they've played lately along with Miami's 30th ranked run defense.

Nomad
01-08-2017, 01:16 PM
Mirror image? That doesn't help his cause in my eyes.

Damn autocorrect! :lol:

I reember Steeler fans weren't thrilled about Tomlin.

Nomad
01-08-2017, 01:21 PM
I know it seems I'm advocating for Joseph, which I'm not, but I'm not discounting him either . And I'm not ready to anoint Kyle Shanahan as the Jesus Christ of HCs either, just because his success as an OC. For all we know Toub's is the best of both worlds, and Elway's playing possum. :D

chazoe60
01-08-2017, 01:23 PM
Not impressed with Joseph's defense so far today.

Nomad
01-08-2017, 01:24 PM
Not impressed with Joseph's defense so far today.

Very true statement.

MOtorboat
01-08-2017, 01:25 PM
Question. Would Aqib Talib or Chris Harris take that bad of an angle on the ball and would Darian Stewart miss that tackle?

spikerman
01-08-2017, 01:25 PM
I know it seems I'm advocating for Joseph, which I'm not, but I'm not discounting him either . And I'm not ready to anoint Kyle Shanahan as the Jesus Christ of HCs either, just because his success as an OC. For all we know Toub's is the best of both worlds, and Elway's playing possum. :D

I'm actually intrigued by Toub. For one thing, I think he's the best chance to keep the defensive staff together.

Rick
01-08-2017, 01:30 PM
Joseph is a leader of men and this season, especially last week and this game, has had his defense kicking and screaming to the end.

Also Tim Tebow will be a hall of fame QB.

pnbronco
01-08-2017, 01:31 PM
You ladies just think he's pleasant on the eyes! :D

Nope it's logic for me. We have a great D, leave that and their coach alone. We need help with O in the worst way. A young guy that has taken what his Dad did and what sounds like Kubes does and make it better. He won't be given control over everything which was the problem they did with McD. They will have plenty of checks and balances in place with John, Ellis and John's guys that help him with drafting and money.

The letter that Polumbus wrote seems like he has a eye for O linemen and how to get the best out of them. This is what we need. He sounds creative...which is what I heard all year we needed. He worked with the talent he has, not with throw everyone away so I can create my perfect world. That's logic for me.

Nomad
01-08-2017, 01:36 PM
Nope it's logic for me. We have a great D, leave that and their coach alone. We need help with O in the worst way. A young guy that has taken what his Dad did and what sounds like Kubes does and make it better. He won't be given control over everything which was the problem they did with McD. They will have plenty of checks and balances in place with John, Ellis and John's guys that help him with drafting and money.

The letter that Polumbus wrote seems like he has a eye for O linemen and how to get the best out of them. This is what we need. He sounds creative...which is what I heard all year we needed. He worked with the talent he has, not with throw everyone away so I can create my perfect world. That's logic for me.

pn.....why'd you have to go all serious? :D

chazoe60
01-08-2017, 01:38 PM
Question. Would Aqib Talib or Chris Harris take that bad of an angle on the ball and would Darian Stewart miss that tackle?

By that logic we can just hire anyone and call them coach as long as Elway brings in the talent. My point is that all we have to go on for Joseph is what his group is doing and as of right now his group sucks. Maybe he'll be one fantastic HC and if we hire him I sure hope that's the case, but IMHO he is nothing special as a DC as evidenced by his groups production.

silkamilkamonico
01-08-2017, 01:39 PM
Question. Would Aqib Talib or Chris Harris take that bad of an angle on the ball and would Darian Stewart miss that tackle?

Probably not, which brings up another question. Why is Joseph and the Dolphins defensive coaches telling the players to take that bad of an angle?

Davii
01-08-2017, 01:40 PM
Not impressed with Joseph's defense so far today.

The Steelers are rather pleased with it so far.

pnbronco
01-08-2017, 01:41 PM
pn.....why'd you have to go all serious? :D

because my babies are not in the playoffs.... :( It was a couple of plays that kept them out and I don't want to loose what got us to the SB last year. I just want what's not working to be made better.

MOtorboat
01-08-2017, 01:41 PM
By that logic we can just hire anyone and call them coach as long as Elway brings in the talent. My point is that all we have to go on for Joseph is what his group is doing and as of right now his group sucks. Maybe he'll be one fantastic HC and if we hire him I sure hope that's the case, but IMHO he is nothing special as a DC as evidenced by his groups production.

I get that, but Elway clearly thinks he's a good candidate.

Nomad
01-08-2017, 01:44 PM
because my babies are not in the playoffs.... :( It was a couple of plays that kept them out and I don't want to loose what got us to the SB last year. I just want what's not working to be made better.

Trust John will do what's best for the BRONCOS. Try not to be in the Shanahan or bust crowd, if not, you'll jump off a cliff and want Elway fired.

Rick
01-08-2017, 01:44 PM
I get that, but Elway clearly thinks he's a good candidate.

Then Elway's been sippin' the sauce.

chazoe60
01-08-2017, 01:45 PM
I get that, but Elway clearly thinks he's a good candidate.

And I'll take Elway's word for it but that doesn't mean I'm not nervous about it.

Davii
01-08-2017, 01:46 PM
I get that, but Elway clearly thinks he's a good candidate.

It's not as though Elway is the only one desiring an interview either.

spikerman
01-08-2017, 01:47 PM
Hot knife through butter. They're making Slowik's defense look like the "Monsters of the Midway."

Rick
01-08-2017, 01:47 PM
Trust John will do what's best for the BRONCOS. Try not to be in the Shanahan or bust crowd, if not, you'll jump off a cliff and want Elway fired.

I will admit, I am on the Shannahan bandwagon.

I could live with other choices however if the other choices were at least having success at the job they were currently hired for.

MOtorboat
01-08-2017, 01:48 PM
I mean, Shanahan has Matt Ryan, Julio Jones and Devontae Freeman. His offense should be good. I just don't see how you can completely discount Joseph as a coach because his defense isn't ranked No. 1 this year. The reason I don't think it matters is because he won't have the same players and he probably won't even be calling the defense. He'll be a head coach, not a coordinator.

:whoknows:

silkamilkamonico
01-08-2017, 01:50 PM
Lucky to have Elway. But coaching decisions makes me nervous, considering the one coach that was responsible for Denver winning the SuperBowl, Elway didn't want on staff, and doesn't really care if he's back with the organization.

Rick
01-08-2017, 01:51 PM
I mean, Shanahan has Matt Ryan, Julio Jones and Devontae Freeman. His offense should be good. I just don't see how you can completely discount Joseph as a coach because his defense isn't ranked No. 1 this year. The reason I don't think it matters is because he won't have the same players and he probably won't even be calling the defense. He'll be a head coach, not a coordinator.

:whoknows:

A great coach can make a good group great and a great group dominate.

I would hope a great coach could make his group at least compete.

I am not down on VJ because he is not number 1, I am down on him because his group is pretty much the worst.

Nomad
01-08-2017, 01:52 PM
I mean, Shanahan has Matt Ryan, Julio Jones and Devontae Freeman. His offense should be good. I just don't see how you can completely discount Joseph as a coach because his defense isn't ranked No. 1 this year. The reason I don't think it matters is because he won't have the same players and he probably won't even be calling the defense. He'll be a head coach, not a coordinator.

:whoknows:

I believe most are wound up because of the getting-rid-of-Wade rumors.

silkamilkamonico
01-08-2017, 01:52 PM
Klis has already stated that both SHanahan and Joseph would be the offensive or defensive coordinator for the Broncos if they were hired. That's the plan.

Denver Native (Carol)
01-08-2017, 01:53 PM
Lucky to have Elway. But coaching decisions makes me nervous, considering the one coach that was responsible for Denver winning the SuperBowl, Elway didn't want on staff, and doesn't really care if he's back with the organization.

If you mean Wade, what are you basing it on that Elway does not want him on staff, and Elway does not really care if he's back with the organization?

MOtorboat
01-08-2017, 01:54 PM
I believe most are wound up because of the getting-rid-of-Wade rumors.

Well, Phillips is not currently an employee of the Denver Broncos, so...things might change.

Cugel
01-08-2017, 01:54 PM
Well, you might think a Defensive Coordinator might think to himself: "Maybe we should consider covering Antonio Brown in the first 8 minutes of the game? Maybe that would be a good idea." But, apparently this future Head Coach didn't figure that out: "How do we not let Antonio Brown beat us. Double-team him or something, but don't let him get 120 yards and 2 TDs in the first half."

And it's not as if this is a huge surprise prior to the game either: "Who is this Antonio Brown guy anyway? Never head of him!" He only has 106 receptions for 1284 yards and 12 TDs. Nobody could have guessed that Roethlisberger might have been looking to rely on Antonio Brown, right?

silkamilkamonico
01-08-2017, 01:56 PM
If you mean Wade, what are you basing it on that Elway does not want him on staff, and Elway does not really care if he's back with the organization?

Klis has already stated in on air interviews with the fan that Elway just doesn't care either way if Wade is back. It's not a priority for him in the coaching search. It's also been speculated that Elway would rather move on without Wade in an ego trip much like Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson situation, although I think that is a little overblown and Klis was less convinced about that being the case.

Davii
01-08-2017, 02:02 PM
I mean, Shanahan has Matt Ryan, Julio Jones and Devontae Freeman. His offense should be good. I just don't see how you can completely discount Joseph as a coach because his defense isn't ranked No. 1 this year. The reason I don't think it matters is because he won't have the same players and he probably won't even be calling the defense. He'll be a head coach, not a coordinator.

:whoknows:

I agree Mo, but do you find it the last bit concerning that he has led a defense ranked in the bottom half of the league in just about everything? That in their playoff game so far every time their opponent has had the ball they've scored s touchdown?

I understand that we're not interviewing him for DC and that we're not bringing the Dolphins players here, but we have nothing to base how we feel about him other than his performance.

For the record, I'm ok with whomever Elway chooses as I don't have the knowledge required to second guess him. That being said, my gut tells me to prefer Kyle.

MOtorboat
01-08-2017, 02:03 PM
I agree Mo, but do you find it the last bit concerning that he has led a defense ranked in the bottom half of the league in just about everything? That in their playoff game so far every time their opponent has had the ball they've scored s touchdown?

I understand that we're not interviewing him for DC and that we're not bringing the Dolphins players here, but we have nothing to base how we feel about him other than his performance.

For the record, I'm ok with whomever Elway chooses as I don't have the knowledge required to second guess him. That being said, my gut tells me to prefer Kyle.

One game is never indicative of your ability as a coach. Never.

chazoe60
01-08-2017, 02:04 PM
I agree Mo, but do you find it the last bit concerning that he has led a defense ranked in the bottom half of the league in just about everything? That in their playoff game so far every time their opponent has had the ball they've scored s touchdown?

I understand that we're not interviewing him for DC and that we're not bringing the Dolphins players here, but we have nothing to base how we feel about him other than his performance.

For the record, I'm ok with whomever Elway chooses as I don't have the knowledge required to second guess him. That being said, my gut tells me to prefer Kyle.

Pretty much my thoughts exactly.

Nomad
01-08-2017, 02:05 PM
Perhaps Elway sees another Mike Tomlin. Tomlin's stint as a DC was a flop. I'm trying to speculate what Elway sees.

chazoe60
01-08-2017, 02:05 PM
One game is never indicative of your ability as a coach. Never.

His defense has been garbage all year. But like Davii, if Elway goes that direction I'm fine with it because Elway knows infinitely more than I do.

MOtorboat
01-08-2017, 02:07 PM
Perhaps Elway sees another Mike Tomlin. Tomlin's stint as a DC was a flop. I'm trying to speculate what Elway sees.

Pretty much how I think Elway sees it too.

Nomad
01-08-2017, 02:07 PM
His defense has been garbage all year. But like Davii, if Elway goes that direction I'm fine with it because Elway knows infinitely more than I do.

About time someone admitted this. :D


j/k....we're here to speak our opinions.

Cugel
01-08-2017, 02:07 PM
A great coach can make a good group great and a great group dominate.

I would hope a great coach could make his group at least compete.

I am not down on VJ because he is not number 1, I am down on him because his group is pretty much the worst.

I wonder if watching this game is going to have any effect on Elway. But this Miami defense is certainly not going out kicking and screaming. This is a lack-luster effort in which unmotivated guys make bad tackles or take bad angles and let Antonio Brown get behind your defense.

Remember when Elway said that "kicking and screaming" was what he wanted to see in a team? Well, what we're seeing out of Miami today, this ain't it.

Davii
01-08-2017, 02:10 PM
One game is never indicative of your ability as a coach. Never.

And what of the defenses rankings he's been in charge of all year?

Cugel
01-08-2017, 02:11 PM
His defense has been garbage all year. But like Davii, if Elway goes that direction I'm fine with it because Elway knows infinitely more than I do.

Or he's not grading V J's ability as a DC as the main thing. What bothers me is that V J is supposed to be this great motivator of men. Well, motivating means getting guys ready to play with intensity in the big games. A road playoff game is "the big game" yet Miami's defense is getting completely run over in the first half.

Every commenter I've heard was predicting Pittsburgh in a rout, and that's what's happening. Talk about getting a promotion for an epic fail!

Nomad
01-08-2017, 02:11 PM
Pretty much how I think Elway sees it too.

I believe there would be mass suicides if Shanahan flopped as a HC here.

Davii
01-08-2017, 02:13 PM
I believe there would be mass suicides if Shanahan flopped as a HC here.

It'd be hard to be worse than McDork was, especially with adults in charge.

Rick
01-08-2017, 02:16 PM
I'm not giving Elway a free pass and saying in Elway we trust.

He has made some fantastic decisions for us, and directed us to 2 super bowls. He has also managed to do a shit job getting an offensive line together and has drafted terrible in the second and third rounds.


Elway makes mistakes too.


VJ is a mistake.

MOtorboat
01-08-2017, 02:16 PM
Well, I refuse to be fooled by offensive or defensive rankings anymore for coordinators. I was fooled by McDaniels.

spikerman
01-08-2017, 02:17 PM
Well, I refuse to be fooled by offensive or defensive rankings anymore for coordinators. I was fooled by McDaniels.

What about the eye test?

Rick
01-08-2017, 02:18 PM
I believe there would be mass suicides if Shanahan flopped as a HC here.

If Shanny comes in and flops, at least he was hired on merit.

That's all I can ask for out of Elway.

Being a leader of men is not the only merit. It is a skill all possible HC candidates should have in addition to demonstrating success at their current job.

MOtorboat
01-08-2017, 02:18 PM
What about the eye test?

He's not a player, so I don't know what you're eying. Is he not wearing that hoodie properly?

Cugel
01-08-2017, 02:18 PM
It'd be hard to be worse than McDork was, especially with adults in charge.

Since the new coach is not going to be drafting, Denver will not do insane things like trade a first round pick for a second rounder, then jettison the player selected after a single season because he's a bust. So, no, nothing will be as bad as when McMoron was here. That is small comfort though.

Nomad
01-08-2017, 02:18 PM
It'd be hard to be worse than McDork was, especially with adults in charge.

Laugh a little. Elway will lead us in the right way.

spikerman
01-08-2017, 02:23 PM
He's not a player, so I don't know what you're eying. Is he not wearing that hoodie properly?

I'm watching, and have watched, the unit he's responsible for all year. Try it, you'll be enlightened.

MOtorboat
01-08-2017, 02:23 PM
I'm looking at that defense, and Suh is the only player on it who would start in Denver.

King87
01-08-2017, 02:24 PM
You bitches need more style.

#hashtag
#relaxonthecoach
#eataburger
#scotch
#swig

King87
01-08-2017, 02:24 PM
I'm looking at that defense, and Suh is the only player on it who would start in Denver.

He is so overrated. He's a good player. Just a good player.

MOtorboat
01-08-2017, 02:26 PM
He is so overrated. He's a good player. Just a good player.

There's no talent on that defense, at all.

King87
01-08-2017, 02:28 PM
There's no talent on that defense, at all.

Cameron Wake, Kiko Alonso, and Mario Williams are solid.

If this is about Vance -he was a godly DB coach and two teams denied him an interview while he coached for them- I get what you're saying.

Rick
01-08-2017, 02:37 PM
As mentioned before, I compare this guy to Dennis Allen.

Over hyped defensive backs coach. In Allen's case, he rode his over hype to getting hired by The Faiders and flaming out.

I agree that talent plays a huge part in how well your team does, but if you are remotely good at your job you should at least be able to compete.

I would not be arguing as much if his group was at least middle of the pack, that would show he took a bad group and as a leader of men with a great football mind,*and made them compete.

All I am seeing is a coach that took a team with less talent and just let the talent dictate the way they would play.

It is the same with our team. Kubiak, Dennison and Baron did a shit job with our offensive line. There is a reason why Dennison, who interviewed twice for the job before, didn't get a sniff this time. Because he sucked at his job and failed to make his group better. Why would VJ not be held to that same standard?

underrated29
01-08-2017, 02:44 PM
Im surprised anyone is surprised that pitts is blowing miami out? Who thought differently? This is the steelers. They are probably going to knock off the pats and go to the superbowl too. This offense is amazing! They gave us the biggest fit of all teams on our Sb run. Suddenly people expect the lowly dolphins to be able to slow them down because Elway likes their DC.....Does not make sense to me.

Valar Morghulis
01-08-2017, 02:48 PM
Im surprised anyone is surprised that pitts is blowing miami out? Who thought differently? This is the steelers. They are probably going to knock off the pats and go to the superbowl too. This offense is amazing! They gave us the biggest fit of all teams on our Sb run. Suddenly people expect the lowly dolphins to be able to slow them down because Elway likes their DC.....Does not make sense to me.

Me, I fancied Miami to win tonight. But I'm a ******* idiot.

Rick
01-08-2017, 02:49 PM
I am not looking at*the Steelers game. I am looking at the Steelers game and the other 16 games in which his defense was bottom on the league in.

HORSEPOWER 56
01-08-2017, 02:55 PM
As mentioned before, I compare this guy to Dennis Allen.

Over hyped defensive backs coach. In Allen's case, he rode his over hype to getting hired by The Faiders and flaming out.

I agree that talent plays a huge part in how well your team does, but if you are remotely good at your job you should at least be able to compete.

I would not be arguing as much if his group was at least middle of the pack, that would show he took a bad group and as a leader of men with a great football mind,*and made them compete.

All I am seeing is a coach that took a team with less talent and just let the talent dictate the way they would play.

It is the same with our team. Kubiak, Dennison and Baron did a shit job with our offensive line. There is a reason why Dennison, who interviewed twice for the job before, didn't get a sniff this time. Because he sucked at his job and failed to make his group better. Why would VJ not be held to that same standard?

To be fair, Allen was our DC and took the league's worst defense and put us in the middle of the pack. It was only after that that he got the Oakland job. Also, he had way less talent than Joseph has in Miami. He also had a worse offense with Tebow to have to cover for than Joseph has in Miami. I'm not saying Joseph can't be a decent HC, but his performance as DC of a not exactly devoid of talent defense is terrible.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
01-08-2017, 03:30 PM
Question. Would Aqib Talib or Chris Harris take that bad of an angle on the ball and would Darian Stewart miss that tackle?

Denver has the best secondary in football. That's a pretty high standard you're using for comparison

MOtorboat
01-08-2017, 03:33 PM
Denver has the best secondary in football. That's a pretty high standard you're using for comparison

True. Do you think our secondary would look that bad because Joseph was the coach? I don't.

underrated29
01-08-2017, 03:36 PM
Me, I fancied Miami to win tonight. But I'm a ******* idiot.


Youre kidding

slim
01-08-2017, 03:36 PM
I'm looking at that defense, and Suh is the only player on it who would start in Denver.

Stop making excuses for Vance Johnson

Davii
01-08-2017, 03:37 PM
True. Do you think our secondary would look that bad because Joseph was the coach? I don't.

Well, if we're basing this decision purely on the fact that we have more talent on D than Miami does, and we're saying that past performance shouldn't be used as an indicator of future potential then I am officially declaring myself available for the Broncos coaching hire. I am a proven leader of men. I've never led a bad defense or offense. I would also have Talib, Harris, Von, AND I would want Wade to stay. Let's do this.

underrated29
01-08-2017, 03:38 PM
I am not looking at*the Steelers game. I am looking at the Steelers game and the other 16 games in which his defense was bottom on the league in.


I suppose Id be more worried if we were looking at him to be our DC, but for HC I am not too sure how it is really applicable.

Timmy!
01-08-2017, 03:38 PM
I almost want us to hire Johnson now just to see the meltdowns.

spikerman
01-08-2017, 03:41 PM
I suppose Id be more worried if we were looking at him to be our DC, but for HC I am not too sure how it is really applicable.

Think about this. What if he replaces Wade's defensive philosophy with the shitshow the Dolphins have put out there all season?

Rick
01-08-2017, 03:43 PM
True. Do you think our secondary would look that bad because Joseph was the coach? I don't.

I don't think that he would make them that bad but it could be the difference of good and elite.

Del Rio had pretty much the same group that Wade had, with Del Rio our defense was good, one of the top. Under wade we were the best.

We don't need to regress when defense is our only strength.

slim
01-08-2017, 03:44 PM
I've seen this D before. For the decade of the 90s.

No thanks.

Nomad
01-08-2017, 03:44 PM
What if Shanahan doesn't hire Wade back, then what? It's all speculation that Kyle would. Who would be a DC to bring in?
BTW...this question has nothing to do with Joseph.

slim
01-08-2017, 03:46 PM
What if Shanahan doesn't hire Wade back, then what? It's all speculation that Kyle would.

I think any coach worth his salt would.

Nomad
01-08-2017, 03:49 PM
I think any coach worth his salt would.

Would Shanahan be worth the hire? Say Toubs would bring Wade back?

slim
01-08-2017, 03:51 PM
Would Shanahan be worth the hire? Say Toubs would bring Wade back?

Yes.

I don't know anything about Toub, other than he has been successful as a coordinator. Joseph has not

Nomad
01-08-2017, 03:55 PM
Yes.

I don't know anything about Toub, other than he has been successful as a coordinator. Joseph has not

See Rick in example high fived you, but he said Elway should be fired if Wade isn't brought back. What I'm seeing is a lot of wishy washy, talking out of both sides of the mouth from some here in regards to Joseph's rumors of not wanting Wade back and Joseph is condemn for that.

pnbronco
01-08-2017, 03:56 PM
If you mean Wade, what are you basing it on that Elway does not want him on staff, and Elway does not really care if he's back with the organization?

Carol I think this is what posters are basing there thoughts on what Cugel posted yesterday. We've seen too many times where there is smoke there is fire. After seeing where Miami has been ranked at and not having a plan to deal with Brown and Bell, knowing how good these guys are is a concern for me.

I get that our O has to get a lot better to be competitive. So why not go after the guy that has made all the O's he's been at better and leave to D to work with the man that they care about and has done some really good things in Denver.

Plus a leader of men makes me smile. Most of these guys are young and have not had to deal with real life on so many levels. I've seen a lot more than a few of the players drive Bentleys. In my all my years and there have been many I've never done that. IMO having a competitive O and winning will bring that locker room right back together. Plus someone that has lived most of his young life in football one way or another has seen a lot and seems to have made adjustments to help even in difficult situations.

Report: Vance Joseph wouldn’t keep Wade Phillips

Posted by Mike Florio on January 5, 2017, 9:30 PM EST
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Dolphins defensive coordinator Vance Joseph is one of a handful of candidates to replace Gary Kubiak as head coach of the Broncos. If Joseph gets the job, Kubiak won’t be the only big-name coach leaving the team.

Alex Marvez of SportingNews.com reports that Joseph would promote defensive backs coach Joe Woods to the position of defensive coordinator. This means that defensive coordinator Wade Phillips would not be returning.

rest of the article:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/05/report-vance-joseph-wouldnt-keep-wade-phillips/

slim
01-08-2017, 03:57 PM
See Rick in example high fived you, but he said Elway should be fired if Wade isn't brought back. What I'm seeing is a lot of wishy washy, talking out of both sides of the mouth from some here in regards to Joseph's rumors of not wanting Wade back and Joseph is condemn for that.

Is this your first time on a MB :D

Nomad
01-08-2017, 03:58 PM
Is this your first time on a MB :D

So it's Shanahan or bust is what I'm getting at regardless of Wade.

There are hypocrites.

Rick
01-08-2017, 03:59 PM
The thing too about any of the candidates other than Shanny, our biggest weakness is offense.

Who are they brining in at OC to actually address the only issue this team has, offense??

McCoy would not be a good pick at OC. I contribute all the offensive success he had to Frank Reict and Wisenhut.

Either one of them coming in at HC, keeping Wade as DC and staying the hell out of his way, and brining in a talent offensive guy and staying the hell out of his way, fine.

Bring in someone with some imagination, maybe someone from college. I actually wouldn't mind Chip Kelly as OC.

More than likely though it would be something like VJ, Woods at DC and McCoy at OC and that would not be acceptable.

pnbronco
01-08-2017, 04:06 PM
I suppose Id be more worried if we were looking at him to be our DC, but for HC I am not too sure how it is really applicable.

What if he thinks McCoy is the best OC since sliced bread??? I feel about loosing Wade like you feel about bringing back McCoy.

Rick
01-08-2017, 04:11 PM
See Rick in example high fived you, but he said Elway should be fired if Wade isn't brought back. What I'm seeing is a lot of wishy washy, talking out of both sides of the mouth from some here in regards to Joseph's rumors of not wanting Wade back and Joseph is condemn for that.

I don't want either Toub or Joseph.

I don't think Elway should be fired if Wade isn't brought back, I think Elway should be fired if he hires a guy like VJ to take over and Wade is dumped and the defense regresses.

I would take Toub over Joseph though, and the reason for the high 5, is because at least Toub had success at the job he was hired to do.

No wishy washy from me there.

I want Kyle and want Wade to stay.

slim
01-08-2017, 04:12 PM
I want some chili cheese fries

pnbronco
01-08-2017, 04:16 PM
I want some chili cheese fries

Voice of reason Slim???? Yeah I kind of do too now that you mentioned it.

slim
01-08-2017, 04:20 PM
Voice of reason Slim???? Yeah I kind of do too now that you mentioned it.

We can share an order!

pnbronco
01-08-2017, 04:27 PM
We can share an order!

sure...that works!!!! :D

pnbronco
01-08-2017, 04:29 PM
BTW I saw this from Klis:

Mike Klis ‏@MikeKlis 3h3 hours ago
Vance Joseph D horrible so far. Mega yds after catch. Statistically MIA Def one of NFL's worst. Not sure why he's the fit for DEN. #9sports

slim
01-08-2017, 04:30 PM
BTW I saw this from Klis:

Mike Klis ‏@MikeKlis 3h3 hours ago
Vance Joseph D horrible so far. Mega yds after catch. Statistically MIA Def one of NFL's worst. Not sure why he's the fit for DEN. #9sports

It doesn't make sense on the surface.

Rick
01-08-2017, 04:40 PM
Personally my biggest issue is that it's just too soon.

If he had been coordinator for a few years and had demonstrated an ability to run the defense and improve on it, it wouldn't be as bad. Still wouldn't love it but wouldn't hate it as much.

He has had a top coordinator position for one season and it was bad.

Outside of Shanny there really isn't any coordinator that excites me in the NFL, if going for a young guy I would be more intrigued by a guy like Shaw or similar from College who ran a successful program and had an exciting offense.

BroncoWave
01-08-2017, 04:40 PM
I almost want us to hire Johnson now just to see the meltdowns.

Same. It's going to be hilarious.

Slick
01-08-2017, 04:52 PM
I can't wait to hear the excuses if Shanahan's offense lays an egg next week.

Nomad
01-08-2017, 04:53 PM
I can't wait to hear the excuses if Shanahan's offense lays an egg next week.

He's lucky because Seahawks usually suck on the road.

Rick
01-08-2017, 04:54 PM
I can't wait to hear the excuses if Shanahan's offense lays an egg next week.

I won't love it happening, but again, this isn't based on 1 game.

It is that VJ has exactly 1 year of being in a top role and he was unsuccessful doing it, not for 1 game, but for 1 season and a playoff game.

Nomad
01-08-2017, 04:57 PM
Rick.....are you Shanahan's Lone Ranger?

NightTerror218
01-08-2017, 04:57 PM
I won't love it happening, but again, this isn't based on 1 game.

It is that VJ has exactly 1 year of being in a top role and he was unsuccessful doing it, not for 1 game, but for 1 season and a playoff game.

Denver interviewed his last time as well. Elway likes him.

Nomad
01-08-2017, 04:59 PM
Denver interviewed his last time as well. Elway likes him.

He didn't have Kyle Shanahan as competition though.

Rick
01-08-2017, 05:00 PM
Rick.....are you Shanahan's Lone Ranger?

I might be :)

The offense under performed the last 2 seasons but I still believe in the west coast offense. I want that offense.

I also want the guy that is the best chance at keeping Wade.

Rick
01-08-2017, 05:02 PM
As mentioned though, I would be less upset with the hire if he gets hired and brings in a creative talented OC and the defense doesn't regress.

I just don't have any faith in him though.

Slick
01-08-2017, 05:12 PM
I can't wait to hear the excuses if Shanahan's offense lays an egg next week.

Or if John does hire Kyle and Wade ends up somewhere else.

Everyone here is so biased so they can't be calm and let the process play out.

Slick
01-08-2017, 05:13 PM
Basically stop taking everything posted on twitter by a bunch of nobodies as gospel.

Nomad
01-08-2017, 05:21 PM
Or if John does hire Kyle and Wade ends up somewhere else.

Everyone here is so biased so they can't be calm and let the process play out.

Forget Wade.......it's Shanahan or bust. Get on board the train.

Nomad
01-08-2017, 05:22 PM
I want Spagnalo (Giants DC) as HC

FanInAZ
01-08-2017, 05:23 PM
Basically stop taking everything posted on twitter by a bunch of nobodies as gospel.

So I should ignore the rumor that Elway is on his way to Roswell to interview one of the aliens that have hang out there for the past 60 years?

King87
01-08-2017, 05:23 PM
I want Spagnalo (Giants DC) as HC

Wasn't he the NYG DC who sucked ass as a HC for the Rams?

Slick
01-08-2017, 05:24 PM
So I should ignore the rumor that Elway is on his way to Roswell to interview one of the aliens that have hang out there for the past 60 years?
Yes

Rick
01-08-2017, 05:24 PM
I want wade back but though I would be disappointed, I wouldn't be AS disappointed if they brought someone in to run the defense and offense that actually had success SOMEWHERE.

I wouldn't want Joseph OR Woods running the defense yet, we are still too close to a superbowl contender to take a chance on an unexperienced leader of the defense when that is our greatest strength.