Head Coach Poll

[ShaneFalco]

Do it!

[Simple Jaded]

Who the **** put McDaniels up there?

[ShaneFalco]

Who the **** put McDaniels up there?

probably that douchebag who started the thread.

**** that guy

[Simple Jaded]

probably that douchebag who started the thread.

**** that guy

Dead to me.

RIP homie.

[Simple Jaded]

Sean Payton.

Scott Linehan.

[Dapper Dan]

9956

[Simple Jaded]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000765132/article/sean-payton-adrian-peterson-need-a-change-of-scenery-in-2017

I'll take Payton, Peterson, Richardson and Robinson.

[Magnificent Seven]

Nick Saban would be super nice.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Nick Saban would be super nice.

I'll forgive you once...

[Magnificent Seven]

However, I think Wade Phillips might be Broncos' new Head Coach. Hire Vance Joseph for Broncos' defensive coordinator.

[Magnificent Seven]

i'll forgive you once...

lol.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

lol.

😆

I seriously can't stand that guy. I don't think his coaching style works well in the NFL. He was hated in Miami.

[ShaneFalco]

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=125594&page=2

i made this poll on OM.

Tebow in 2nd place with 7 votes.

Hey whcih one of you made tned leave this site and start posting on OM?

Yall kick Tned off his own site!

[aberdien]

Urban Meyer will be hired to bring back Timmy and win a SB.

[HORSEPOWER 56]

Frankly, I think we absolutely have to hire an offensive minded head coach. The development of our QBOTF, whether that's Siemian, Lynch, or somebody else, absolutely depends on it. If we had a top 10 veteran QB already on the roster then it wouldn't matter as much. Whoever we hire must be a guy who can get the most out of our offense. We have talent on defense and as long as someone doesn't come in and completely blow it up, we'll be okay there. Our future depends directly on fixing the Oline and developing a quality starting QB.

[Simple Jaded]

Frankly, I think we absolutely have to hire an offensive minded head coach. The development of our QBOTF, whether that's Siemian, Lynch, or somebody else, absolutely depends on it. If we had a top 10 veteran QB already on the roster then it wouldn't matter as much. Whoever we hire must be a guy who can get the most out of our offense. We have talent on defense and as long as someone doesn't come in and completely blow it up, we'll be okay there. Our future depends directly on fixing the Oline and developing a quality starting QB.
Clearly, but I suggest the Broncos consult us fans before hiring another offensive minded coach.

#playcalling101

[Simple Jaded]

I vote "Unlisted" and name whoever won Madden Championship this year.

[UnderArmour]

If Kyle Shanahan gets an interview and is able to bring his dad on as offensive coordinator and keep Wade, I would love to have him. Wade needs to be retained at all costs though, guy was a significant reason we won the Super Bowl. Vance Joseph would be a great option as well, depending on who he brings in to run the offense.

[Poet]

I vote "Unlisted" and name whoever won Madden Championship this year.

Style God status stripped.

Message board friendship stripped.

*Ahem*

I know a 17 year old who is going to style for us.

Ya bitch.

[Dzone]

Tebow lmao

[Poet]

Falco loves Tebow as much as I love BBQ wings.

Never change, SF.

[BroncoJoe]

Gruden.

[Dzone]

Kyle Shanahan- Keeps it in the family. The Bronco Family Tree continues. He has probably known Elway since he was in dia;ers. Plus he turned Matt Ryan into an MVP

[Poet]

gruden.

you sassy mother ******!

[Nomad]

you sassy mother ******!

Joe knows!! :)

[Edmonton Bronco Fan]

Vance Joseph, with the caveat that Wade Phillips would stay on and in charge of the defensive side of things and a veteran offensive coordinator is brought in. Vance can focus on head coach duties while learning the ropes and not being saddled with the load of play-calling. Not an unheard of proposition.

Or Peyton Manning. Just because he'd be a better option than Tim Tebow.

[BroncoBuckeye73]

Jim Bob Cooter and spice the O up a bit. Plus he is a supposed QB whisperer.

[Simple Jaded]

Style God status stripped.

Message board friendship stripped.

*Ahem*

I know a 17 year old who is going to style for us.

Ya bitch.

I've been down before, you have not heard the last of my stylings.

[HORSEPOWER 56]

Jim Bob Cooter and spice the O up a bit. Plus he is a supposed QB whisperer.

Plus he'd have the best name of any head coach, ever. I'd giggle every time the media referred to him as "Coach Cooter". :lol:

[atwater27]

Kyle. Hes done a fine job with Atlanta. Need someone offensive. Jim Bob too. **** Josh McDaniels in the ear with a chainsaw sideways.

[NightTerror218]

Kyle. Hes done a fine job with Atlanta. Need someone offensive. Jim Bob too. **** Josh McDaniels in the ear with a chainsaw sideways.

Need someone who can develop a QB and whos DC had a game style to mesh with our secondary and pass rush. Put us back into a 4-3 and wont fit our personel as well.

[Canmore]

Frankly, I think we absolutely have to hire an offensive minded head coach. The development of our QBOTF, whether that's Siemian, Lynch, or somebody else, absolutely depends on it. If we had a top 10 veteran QB already on the roster then it wouldn't matter as much. Whoever we hire must be a guy who can get the most out of our offense. We have talent on defense and as long as someone doesn't come in and completely blow it up, we'll be okay there. Our future depends directly on fixing the Oline and developing a quality starting QB.

Why does this sound so similar to when we fired Shanny? The only difference is offense and defense are flipped.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

We went 9-7 in a rebuilding year.

#entitlement

[OrangeHoof]

Introducing Denver Head Coach Peyton Manning...

[WARHORSE]

Introducing Denver Head Coach Peyton Manning...

I would love to see Peyton coach this team.

I would also think Kyle is the most likely and best fit considering where our QBs are at, and Dennison needs to go.

I would consider Mike McCoy also as offensive coordinator.

Kyle would decide on his OC though......although if I was Elway I would tell him that Dennison is off the table. This years offense was horrid and thats at Dennisons feet.

Peytons issue as a head coach would be can he learn to temper his expectation of perfection with unperfect play.

He comes in with instant credibility

[weazel]

Tebow lmao

I would take tebow over saban. **** saban

[Poet]

I would take tebow over saban. **** saban

Saban is God you insolent *****.

[weazel]

He's a piece of shit that couldnt handle the nfl and ran out on his team like a bitch. He wont get another nfl job because he has 0 credibility

[Poet]

He's a piece of shit that couldnt handle the nfl and ran out on his team like a bitch

He got more money to go to the best football school ever. **** the Dolphins.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

#stepoverthedeadguy

#walkwithpurpose

[Simple Jaded]

We need Saban right where he is, at the college level developing NFL talent.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

We need Saban right where he is, at the college level developing NFL talent.

Right, not treating grown men like they're one of his kids.

[Poet]

He doesn't treat them like kids. He hates them. He walked over a player having a seizure once.

[Simple Jaded]

He doesn't treat them like kids. He hates them. He walked over a player having a seizure once.

Kid should've waited til the play was over to spaz out.

[UnderArmour]

I would love to see Peyton coach this team.

I would also think Kyle is the most likely and best fit considering where our QBs are at, and Dennison needs to go.

I would consider Mike McCoy also as offensive coordinator.

Kyle would decide on his OC though......although if I was Elway I would tell him that Dennison is off the table. This years offense was horrid and thats at Dennisons feet.

Peytons issue as a head coach would be can he learn to temper his expectation of perfection with unperfect play.

He comes in with instant credibility

I think Dennison can stay, but it needs to be as an offensive line coach or offensive assistant. Guy is simply not coordinator material, and every time he has had the title it has mostly been as a figurehead who organizes game plans rather than calls them. The offense was extremely stagnant, and showed very little willingness to highlight our elite receivers on the outside.

Both had 1000 yard years, yes, but the WR screens and big plays in the short passing game we had under Manning were a thing of the past. Even in a down year, Sanders and DT had more opportunities. For whatever reason this year, Dennison and Kubiak abandoned the entirety of the Manning plays this year, and we saw the result on the field. The next offensive coordinator, and hopefully it is a guy like McCoy or Ken Whisenhunt, needs to bring a modern passing game to the table. The YAC totals just speak of horrible offensive design and execution across the board.

2016 DT YAC: 316 (1083 total)
2016 Sanders YAC: 259 (1032 total)
Vs.
2015 DT YAC: 498 (1304 total)
2015 Sanders YAC: 377 (1135 total)
2014 DT YAC: 680 (1619 total)
2014 Sanders YAC: 392 (1404 total)
Source: https://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/yards-after-the-catch/2016/

[Mike]

I think Dennison can stay, but it needs to be as an offensive line coach or offensive assistant. Guy is simply not coordinator material, and every time he has had the title it has mostly been as a figurehead who organizes game plans rather than calls them. The offense was extremely stagnant, and showed very little willingness to highlight our elite receivers on the outside.

Both had 1000 yard years, yes, but the WR screens and big plays in the short passing game we had under Manning were a thing of the past. Even in a down year, Sanders and DT had more opportunities. For whatever reason this year, Dennison and Kubiak abandoned the entirety of the Manning plays this year, and we saw the result on the field. The next offensive coordinator, and hopefully it is a guy like McCoy or Ken Whisenhunt, needs to bring a modern passing game to the table. The YAC totals just speak of horrible offensive design and execution across the board.

2016 DT YAC: 316 (1083 total)
2016 Sanders YAC: 259 (1032 total)
Vs.
2015 DT YAC: 498 (1304 total)
2015 Sanders YAC: 377 (1135 total)
2014 DT YAC: 680 (1619 total)
2014 Sanders YAC: 392 (1404 total)
Source: https://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/yards-after-the-catch/2016/

Dennison simply rode what was already built by Gibbs when he was the oline coach. He was a shit ST coach, did nothing but carry on what was already built as the oline coach, and is a shit OC. The guy doesn't do anything to deserve staying around. He needs to be gone.

[Broncoknight30]

I think I would die of laughter if Elway hired (even offered) the job to McDaniels. I would just read the reactions from those who still think Cutler was a franchise QB. That would be funny as hell.

It seems to me as of now that the choice is going to be between Kyle Shanahan and Vance Joseph.

[Broncoknight30]

Dennison simply rode what was already built by Gibbs when he was the oline coach. He was a shit ST coach, did nothing but carry on what was already built as the oline coach, and is a shit OC. The guy doesn't do anything to deserve staying around. He needs to be gone.

If Dennison is hired, it would be a big mistake. I agree with everything you said. He has shown true ineptitude, and him being a HC would be a big mistake.

I would like Elway to approach Dennison and say something along the lines of this....

https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder504/57847504.jpg

[UnderArmour]

Dennison simply rode what was already built by Gibbs when he was the oline coach. He was a shit ST coach, did nothing but carry on what was already built as the oline coach, and is a shit OC. The guy doesn't do anything to deserve staying around. He needs to be gone.

That may or may not be true, but even with Shanahan and Kubiak aside, McDaniels and Harbaugh both thought enough of him to allow him to be on their staffs. Again, I don't think he is coordinator material, but his deficits are with his unimaginative passing game and insistence on a huddled offense. Guy is still an asset to any coaching staff, but he has no business being anywhere near play calling or the passing game.

Seeing as how the guy has gotten two interviews to be our head coach in the past, I feel there will always be a job for him in the organization. With a coordinator title again is highly unlikely.

[Valar Morghulis]

Rex Ryan is clearly better than Nick Saban

[Poet]

Rex Ryan is clearly better than Nick Saban

I'm in agony.

[NightTerror218]

Broncos have requested to interview Falcons offensive coordinator kyle shannohan

[Poet]

Broncos have requested to interview Falcons offensive coordinator kyle shannohan

I am erect.

[Cugel]

Sean Payton.

Scott Linehan.

I've heard a lot of speculation about both of them. Scott Linehan for instance.

[Poet]

Sean Payton would be dope.

[Dapper Dan]

McDaniels HC
Cutler OC
Rahim the dream DC
Norwood ST

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

McDaniels HC
Cutler OC
Rahim the dream DC
Norwood ST

May God have mercy on your soul.

[vettesplus]

john gruden.....

[HORSEPOWER 56]

john gruden.....

It will never happen. Gruden would want total control and there's no way JFE is giving that up. If Gruden just wanted to be HC and QB whisperer, I'd be all for it. There's no way we get a guy like Gruden and no way we give a guy control like Shanny and McDouchebag had.

[ShaneFalco]

Broncos have requested to interview Falcons offensive coordinator kyle shannohan

when is tebows interview set?

[weazel]

when is tebows interview set?

this is why the other thread is around and wasn't merged.

[MOtorboat]

when is tebows interview set?

Saturday morning at 2 a.m. at a truck stop in Limon.

[ShaneFalco]

this is why the other thread is around and wasn't merged.

good i dont want that filthy peasant thread bound up with my poll of greatness and royalty

[ShaneFalco]

Saturday morning at 2 a.m. at a truck stop in Limon.

way too sexual MO. there are children reading.

[dogfish]

Saturday morning at 2 a.m. at a truck stop in Limon.

at least he's admitting that tebow can't play. . .

shane, the ball boy interviews will be set for a later date. . .

[Hawgdriver]

I'd be cool with Warren Moon as QB coach and Peyton as Warren's pizza specialist. Then Christian McCaffrey as RB coach, drafted 1st round but going straight into coaching instaed of as a player, 1st in NFL history. Maybe Dennison as director of not-to-do that, and then some McDaniels posters to get dudes motivated. Let's shake things up.

[Dapper Dan]

Hawg is HOF worthy.

[Rick]

I'd be cool with Warren Moon as QB coach and Peyton as Warren's pizza specialist. Then Christian McCaffrey as RB coach, drafted 1st round but going straight into coaching instaed of as a player, 1st in NFL history. Maybe Dennison as director of not-to-do that, and then some McDaniels posters to get dudes motivated. Let's shake things up.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiwdHRSBSSg

[aberdien]

Can't imagine why he wasn't a successful HC

[Poet]

Hawg is HOF worthy.

He's like a snarky Atwater.

I love him.

[Hawgdriver]

Can't imagine why he wasn't a successful HC

I can identify with that video. I won't judge McDaniels on passion alone.

I think he was a bad head coach, but I'm not going to judge him on just that. I want passion.

True, that outburst touched on petulance, but I choose to give him the benefit, and call it pure passion. If that was someone you loved most, you would get it. The thing is, a good HC knows he's not always the guy you love most, so that tactic won't get those results.

[Hawgdriver]

He's like a snarky Atwater.

I love him.

I love you, too, brother.

[MOtorboat]

A great moment in Broncos history. Win that mother****ing game.

[Poet]

McDaniels, if he has matured, can be a fine HC. His football knowledge is quite high. Great men learn from their failures. He will get to decide if he is a great man.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

McDaniels, if he has matured, can be a fine HC. His football knowledge is quite high. Great men learn from their failures. He will get to decide if he is a great man.
I like this.

[Poet]

I like this.

I don't want it to be true; I do believe that people intrinsically have this quality.

[dogfish]

I can identify with that video. I won't judge McDaniels on passion alone.

I think he was a bad head coach, but I'm not going to judge him on just that. I want passion.

True, that outburst touched on petulance, but I choose to give him the benefit, and call it pure passion. If that was someone you loved most, you would get it. The thing is, a good HC knows he's not always the guy you love most, so that tactic won't get those results.

it was ball, and it was juice. . .

[Canmore]

Not!

[BroncoWave]

McDaniels, of course! :D

[Northman]

I can see it now, McDaniels gets in verbal fight with Von Miller and Miller leaves for another team than isnt a 6. lmao

[ShaneFalco]

MO has always the most interesting poll votes. First he votes for Romo in QB poll.

Now he wants a NE coordinator. Is it McDaniels he wants back?

[MOtorboat]

MO has always the most interesting poll votes. First he votes for Romo in QB poll.

Now he wants a NE coordinator. Is it McDaniels he wants back?

I don't actually want McDaniels back. I just couldn't help myself.

[MOtorboat]

Just imagine, McDaniels and Romo, though. That'd be a hell of a combo!

[ShaneFalco]

I know your tricks MO! that is what you want!

[MOtorboat]

I'm a little baffled that so many people are all in on Shanahanahan, Jr. The old man's tenure didn't end all that well.

[ShaneFalco]

i am kind of amazed the old man hasnt been given another chance anywhere else.

That Haynesworth deal must have been worse then i remember.

I still like the old Shanny.

https://media.giphy.com/media/10mGCWKEuONVWU/giphy.gif

[Dapper Dan]

I'm a little baffled that so many people are all in on Shanahanahan, Jr. The old man's tenure didn't end all that well.

1: Mike wasn't that bad.

2: Kyle isn't Mike.

[MOtorboat]

1: Mike wasn't that bad.

2: Kyle isn't Mike.

Fair points.

[Dapper Dan]

Fair points.

I don't know what to do now.

[dogfish]

I don't know what to do now.

smile and nod. . .

[dogfish]

I'm a little baffled that so many people are all in on Shanahanahan, Jr. The old man's tenure didn't end all that well.

it's bad poll. . . he gives you two names, and a bunch of "fill in the blank". . .

edit; three names, but shanny sr doesn't really count. . .

[weazel]

Does shanny have a daughter? If so, why isnt she on the list?

[Dapper Dan]

Does shanny have a daughter? If so, why isnt she on the list?

He does. She was roommates with George W. Bush's daughter in college.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Does shanny have a daughter? If so, why isnt she on the list?

She's barefoot and pregnant where she belongs.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Mike Klis ‏@MikeKlis 40m

With it appears many first-timers are on Broncos head coach list, interviews will be huge to learn about staff/philosophy/structure #9sports

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Cameron Wolfe ‏@CameronWolfe 55m

#Broncos will interview Chiefs ST coach Dave Toub & Dolphins DC Vance Joseph along with Falcons OC Kyle Shanahan for HC job, per NFL source.

[MasterShake]

Jim Bob Cooter. He has an awesome name and he made Matt Stafford a good QB. Kyle Shannahan otherwise.

[Freyaka]

MO and wave need excommunicated for selecting the New England coordinators option...

[Freyaka]

I'm a little baffled that so many people are all in on Shanahanahan, Jr. The old man's tenure didn't end all that well.

This is us now
Total offense - 27th
Rushing yards - 27th
Passing yards - 21st
Scoring - 21st

Now this is the Falcons
Total offense - 2nd
Rushing yards - 5th
Passing yards - 3rd
Scoring - 1st

Not to mention he's taken Matt Ryan who has struggled over the last few years and turned him into a passer just barely under 5,000 yards (some of that praise goes to Cooter also)

I'm kinda baffled why so many people are of the mindset that the old man's tenure has any bearing over Shanny the younger's potential with us. I am not my father, I have learned from my father, but I do things my own way. Much the same, Shanny Jr learned from his father (who was a brilliant offensive mind) but he's proven himself a capable offensive mind on his own. It's really unfair to judge him based off his father because he's proven that he's a capable coach on his own and moved outside of his father's shadow.

[HORSEPOWER 56]

I'm a little baffled that so many people are all in on Shanahanahan, Jr. The old man's tenure didn't end all that well.

Shanny's downfall was being in charge of personnel and DC decisions and a history of bad FA moves (Dale Carter, the Browncos anyone?) not necessarily his coaching. Shanny the younger won't have control of personnel. JFE will maintain that.

[MasterShake]

Shanny's downfall was being in charge of personnel and DC decisions and a history of bad FA moves (Dale Carter, the Browncos anyone?) not necessarily his coaching. Shanny the younger won't have control of personnel. JFE will maintain that.

Agreed. But I would throw Peyton Manning into Shannhan's downfall. He was building teams to beat the Colts who bounced us nearly every year we did make the playoffs. Our best year after Elway left was with a VERY balanced team in 2005/06 that saw Jake Plummer take us to the AFCCG after we took out Brady and Manning got wiped out by the Steelers in the other Divisional round. Then that crazy Shanny eye started twitching because his new plan was to outscore the opponents with Jay Cutler's potential. Cutler was the beginning of the end for Shanny, but it started with not being able to overcome Peyton. He had QB envy when he should have left his focus on a solid D and a wicked running attack.

[Freyaka]

Agreed. But I would throw Peyton Manning into Shannhan's downfall. He was building teams to beat the Colts who bounced us nearly every year we did make the playoffs. Our best year after Elway left was with a VERY balanced team in 2005/06 that saw Jake Plummer take us to the AFCCG after we took out Brady and Manning got wiped out by the Steelers in the other Divisional round. Then that crazy Shanny eye started twitching because his new plan was to outscore the opponents with Jay Cutler's potential. Cutler was the beginning of the end for Shanny, but it started with not being able to overcome Peyton. He had QB envy when he should have left his focus on a solid D and a wicked running attack.

Funny how Peyton Manning manged to bring this franchise down, only later to build it up to a contender.

[MOtorboat]

This is us now
Total offense - 27th
Rushing yards - 27th
Passing yards - 21st
Scoring - 21st

Now this is the Falcons
Total offense - 2nd
Rushing yards - 5th
Passing yards - 3rd
Scoring - 1st

Not to mention he's taken Matt Ryan who has struggled over the last few years and turned him into a passer just barely under 5,000 yards (some of that praise goes to Cooter also)

I think Shanahan could be a very good coach, but to play devil's advocate here, Denver is hiring him as a head coach, not an offensive coordinator. And Matt Ryan is one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL. He's thrown for over 4,500 yards the last five seasons. I don't really call that struggling. It's not like Shanahan made him one of the best, he is one of the best. We also don't have Matt Ryan.

With quarterbacks more on par with Denver's talent at the position, he had an offense ranked 27th in scoring and 23rd in yards in Cleveland in 2014. His best season was probably 2012 when he had a Washington offense under Robert Griffin finish 4th in points and 5th in scoring, but in his other three years the Redskins were ranked in the 20s in yards and teens in points.

I think he is head coaching material, but I'm leery of looking at the offense in Atlanta the last two years with elite talent at every skill position and equating that to Denver's situation where the only elite talent is at wide receiver.

I'd be curious to see who his offensive coordinator would be.

[MOtorboat]

MO and wave need excommunicated for selecting the New England coordinators option...

I ******* love that guy. Love.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

I think Shanahan could be a very good coach, but to play devil's advocate here, Denver is hiring him as a head coach, not an offensive coordinator. And Matt Ryan is one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL. He's thrown for over 4,500 yards the last five seasons. I don't really call that struggling. It's not like Shanahan made him one of the best, he is one of the best. We also don't have Matt Ryan.

With quarterbacks more on par with Denver's talent at the position, he had an offense ranked 27th in scoring and 23rd in yards in Cleveland in 2014. His best season was probably 2012 when he had a Washington offense under Robert Griffin finish 4th in points and 5th in scoring, but in his other three years the Redskins were ranked in the 20s in yards and teens in points.

I think he is head coaching material, but I'm leery of looking at the offense in Atlanta the last two years with elite talent at every skill position and equating that to Denver's situation where the only elite talent is at wide receiver.

I'd be curious to see who his offensive coordinator would be.
I will agree with all of the above, but I will add Atlanta has had improvement in the last two years with Shannahan.

[MOtorboat]

I will agree with all of the above, but I will add Atlanta has had improvement in the last two years with Shannahan.

That is true. Modest improvement and the addition of Devontae Freeman, which I'd say was a marvelous talent evaluation and acquisition.

[Freyaka]

I ******* love that guy. Love.

I feel like McD will be a good coach someday, somewhere and I loved his passion, but I never want him to be anywhere near a coaching position on this team.

[Slick]

Joseph
McCoy
Son of Bum

Book it.

[weazel]

I would be bummed to lose bumskid

[Freyaka]

I think Shanahan could be a very good coach, but to play devil's advocate here, Denver is hiring him as a head coach, not an offensive coordinator. And Matt Ryan is one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL. He's thrown for over 4,500 yards the last five seasons. I don't really call that struggling. It's not like Shanahan made him one of the best, he is one of the best. We also don't have Matt Ryan.

With quarterbacks more on par with Denver's talent at the position, he had an offense ranked 27th in scoring and 23rd in yards in Cleveland in 2014. His best season was probably 2012 when he had a Washington offense under Robert Griffin finish 4th in points and 5th in scoring, but in his other three years the Redskins were ranked in the 20s in yards and teens in points.

I think he is head coaching material, but I'm leery of looking at the offense in Atlanta the last two years with elite talent at every skill position and equating that to Denver's situation where the only elite talent is at wide receiver.

I'd be curious to see who his offensive coordinator would be.

MO, I get where you are coming from and I actually agree with you to a small extent as I was actually talking about his Browns tenure with a coworker the other day, BUT I think you are being borderline insulting to our QB's to even mention them in the same breathe as cleveland. I would actually put our QB talent more on par with what he had in Washington to be real honest.

His offenses he's been in charge of have ranked
2008 in Houston
3rd in overall offense
4th in passing yards
13th in rushing yards
17th in scoring

2009 in Houston
4th in overall offense
1st in passing yards
30th in rushing
10 in scoring

2010 in Washington
18th in overall offense
8th in passing yards
30th in rushing
25th in scoring

2011 in washington
16th in overall offense
14th in passing yards
25th in rushing
26th in scoring

2012 in washington
5th in overall offense
20th in passing
1st in rushing
4th in scoring

2013 in washington
9th in overall offense
16th in passing
5th in rushing
23rd in scoring

2014 Browns
23rd overall offense
20th passing
17th in rushing
27th in scoring.

All of this essentially supports your thought process (which I get a whole lot more than "he's Mike's son and mike didn't end his time well here) I get what you are saying, that he doesn't do well if the talent isn't there, but what I can say is that I think he's a great X's and O's coach and has a wealth of knowledge. I'm not worried about the talent part because I trust John Elway to make the talent happen. All Kyle has to do is coach.

To further speak to your comparison to the Browns. Brian Hoyer took the majority of the snaps that season...While the yardage numbers are similar, that's about where it ends. TS was 5% more accurate, threw for 18 TD's compared to hoyers 12 and 10 interceptions compared to hoyers 13. Hoyer also had a better line blocking for him, though not by a lot. I'd take TS over Hoyer. I know that isn't saying a lot because Hoyer is terrible, but the biggest thing I would take into consideration when comparing TS to other QB's is his TD to INT ratio. Even comparing TS to all of the QB's that Shanny Jr had in washington prior to 2012, TS put up better overall numbers and threw a lot less picks (this in his first year starting) Maybe you are right, maybe he'll only ever be a game manager, but so is Alex Smith, and I'd take Alex Smith right now. The game manager title gets used in a derogatory fashion, but I don't think it's always a bad thing to be, especially if you have a defense built like ours.

[Slick]

I would be bummed to lose bumskid

Me too.

[Freyaka]

Sounds like Vance it is with Mike McCoy returning as OC (YUCK!) 1043 the fan is making it sound like a done deal. This is second hand obviously because I'm at work, so it could be crap, but several people I know are listening currently.

[Northman]

Sounds like Vance it is with Mike McCoy returning as OC (YUCK!) 1043 the fan is making it sound like a done deal. This is second hand obviously because I'm at work, so it could be crap, but several people I know are listening currently.

Nah, ive been hearing a lot of the same stuff. Seems like Elway really wants Joseph in a bad way.

[Mike]

Nah, ive been hearing a lot of the same stuff. Seems like Elway really wants Joseph in a bad way.

Where does this leave Wade?

[Northman]

Where does this leave Wade?

That im not sure about. Hopefully he stays but i can see where that would pose a problem. I was hoping for a more offensive minded HC.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Wade would likely stay if Joseph was the coach

[Freyaka]

Wade would likely stay if Joseph was the coach

Yep, same coaching tree, similar defenses. Vance would likely have input over the defense, but he would let wade continue with much of what he's already doing.

[OrangeHoof]

How does the name Bill O'Brien sound? Apparently the season-long blame game between GM Rick Smith and Head Coach Bill O'Brien is boiling over to the point that Bill O'Brien expects to be dismissed or resign once his postseason with the Texans is over. O'Brien was not consulted when the front office committed to Brock Osweiler and been adamant about this all year.

O'Brien has won two division titles in two years but each time it has been with a disastrous offense. Of course, Coach Foulmouth came into the league as an offensive coach.

[Poet]

Billy O would be interesting

[chazoe60]

No, hell no, **** no and no got dammed way!

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

No, hell no, **** no and no got dammed way!

Stop being murky

[MOtorboat]

MO, I get where you are coming from and I actually agree with you to a small extent as I was actually talking about his Browns tenure with a coworker the other day, BUT I think you are being borderline insulting to our QB's to even mention them in the same breathe as cleveland. I would actually put our QB talent more on par with what he had in Washington to be real honest.

All of this essentially supports your thought process (which I get a whole lot more than "he's Mike's son and mike didn't end his time well here) I get what you are saying, that he doesn't do well if the talent isn't there, but what I can say is that I think he's a great X's and O's coach and has a wealth of knowledge. I'm not worried about the talent part because I trust John Elway to make the talent happen. All Kyle has to do is coach.

To further speak to your comparison to the Browns. Brian Hoyer took the majority of the snaps that season...While the yardage numbers are similar, that's about where it ends. TS was 5% more accurate, threw for 18 TD's compared to hoyers 12 and 10 interceptions compared to hoyers 13. Hoyer also had a better line blocking for him, though not by a lot. I'd take TS over Hoyer. I know that isn't saying a lot because Hoyer is terrible, but the biggest thing I would take into consideration when comparing TS to other QB's is his TD to INT ratio. Even comparing TS to all of the QB's that Shanny Jr had in washington prior to 2012, TS put up better overall numbers and threw a lot less picks (this in his first year starting) Maybe you are right, maybe he'll only ever be a game manager, but so is Alex Smith, and I'd take Alex Smith right now. The game manager title gets used in a derogatory fashion, but I don't think it's always a bad thing to be, especially if you have a defense built like ours.

Sorry, not insulting to our quarterbacks, more speaking about what I see. They aren't better than Cleveland's quarterbacks at the time.

Denver's problems on offense won't be solved by a head coach or a coordinator. There's a fundamental talent problem on the offensive side of the football.

Besides, I hope whoever comes in is a delegator and a leader, rather than someone who will delve deeply into scheme on either side of the ball. Let the coordinators do that. I believe Shanahan is a good to great offensive mind, but if he's the head coach, he's got to hire a coordinator to fix the offense as much as they can. The fundamental fix has to come from Elway (I think he's fully aware of that, I'm not suggesting he isn't).

I think people are heavily supporting the hire of Shanahan as a fix-all to the offense, and I don't think you can accomplish that in the hiring of a head coach.

[Krugan]

What mo said, was about all i was going to say.

Trench issues, fix those, things get better.

QB is what it is, you arent just going to find another manning out there. See if either of these guys can develop while you get that oline working.

Need a big ole fatty to anchor that nose spot, and abit rotation at DE, add a better coverage lb and well maybe both guys in the middle.

Well shoot, the list got bigger...

[Freyaka]

Sorry, not insulting to our quarterbacks, more speaking about what I see. They aren't better than Cleveland's quarterbacks at the time.

Denver's problems on offense won't be solved by a head coach or a coordinator. There's a fundamental talent problem on the offensive side of the football.

Besides, I hope whoever comes in is a delegator and a leader, rather than someone who will delve deeply into scheme on either side of the ball. Let the coordinators do that. I believe Shanahan is a good to great offensive mind, but if he's the head coach, he's got to hire a coordinator to fix the offense as much as they can. The fundamental fix has to come from Elway (I think he's fully aware of that, I'm not suggesting he isn't).

I think people are heavily supporting the hire of Shanahan as a fix-all to the offense, and I don't think you can accomplish that in the hiring of a head coach.

And that's where we disagree...It's not a talent issue, it's a coaching issue. That and an inept line issue. More than anything I actually think Barrone was the biggest issue, dude cannot coach up an o-line at all...

[dogfish]

How does the name Bill O'Brien sound?

sounds like a real kick in the nuts. . .

thankfully, john is way too smart to have any of those loser new england schmucks hanging around. . . having one of them disgrace the franchise was bad enough-- john won't let it happen again. . .

[Freyaka]

How does the name Bill O'Brien sound?

It sounds a bit like what I would imagine the first man to ever give childbirth would sound like...Freaking excruciating.