How would you rather use our second round pick?

[BroncoWave]

Thought this would be a fun discussion since this pick has been floated so much in the Kapernick talks and there will possibly be a few decent QB prospects there as well.

[Simple Jaded]

I'm cool with either but I think I'd just rather start with my own QB, depending on the player.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

I like Cook

[BroncoWave]

I like Cook

This sentence is one letter away from being really funny. :D

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

This sentence is one letter away from being really funny. :D

You little ...

[Northman]

I like Cook

Same.

[Northman]

You little ...


Bish.

[FanInAZ]

I don't like Kap.

[ShaneFalco]

trade it for tebow

[Simple Jaded]

trade it for tebow

And with that pick the SEC Network can take Peyton Manning. Ahh, the circle of life.

[chazoe60]

Cook has a weak arm, apparently did horrible in interviews and came across as an arrogant little douchebag a couple times during his college career I don't like him at all.

From what I heard he has the weakest arm in the draft.

[Northman]

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From what I heard he has the weakest arm in the draft.

If that were the case he would be the last ranked QB in the draft class so i think your info might be a little off.

[chazoe60]

My favorite QB in the draft who is actually a realistic possibility for us to draft is Kevin Hogan. I don't quite understand why he doesn't get more love.

[Northman]

My favorite QB in the draft who is actually a realistic possibility for us to draft is Kevin Hogan. I don't quite understand why he doesn't get more love.

Im fine with Hogan but i havent seen him listed any higher than a 5th or later prospect.

[chazoe60]

If that were the case he would be the last ranked QB in the draft class so i think your info might be a little off.

No offense North but I'll take Cecil Lammey's word over yours.

[Northman]

No offense North but I'll take Cecil Lammey's word over yours.

And thats fine but i would think if Cook was really that bad (something i dont agree with) his stock would of dropped immensely.

[chazoe60]

And thats fine but i would think if Cook was really that bad (something i dont agree with) his stock would of dropped immensely.

It's not that he's bad just that he has a weak arm and his leadership skills are very much in question.

I get the impression he's like Chad Pennington without the leadership skills.

[Simple Jaded]

No offense North but I'll take Cecil Lammey's word over yours.

I'm taking North's, Lammey is a narcissistic blowhard who contradicts himself more often than Big Al.

[Krugan]

If it all possible, i would try to use a 2nd and something else to try and pull AJ out of the Bengals.

Long shot im sure, but he was a 5th rounder, and from what i saw, he seemed like a solid option.

Im just not sold on Kap, or the majority of this years QB options, I do like Hogan, but he should be there 4th round or maybe 5th.

[broncofaninfla]

Kap isn't worth a second rounder, not even close. My fingers are crossed we draft a kid in the second or third rounds unless Wentz is available in the first which is highly unlikely.

[Dapper Dan]

Trade it for Stafford and a pack of hot dogs.

[Hardwired]

Connor Cook on MMQB: http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/03/15/nfl-connor-cook-quarterback-prospect-nfl-draft-michigan-state

[CoachChaz]

I definitely wouldnt come anywhere close to trading a 2nd for Kaep. On the other hand...the only QB's I like after the top 3 that I like as a project are Brandon Doughty and Cardale Jones. So, my 2nd pick is spent on RB or OL.

Cook has some skills...and MSU QB's have a track record of being decent players...but he forces too many throws and A LOT of scouts dont think he has a good locker room personality. Add that to his maturity issues and I just dont see him as the leader of my team.

[Northman]

Connor Cook on MMQB: http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/03/15/nfl-connor-cook-quarterback-prospect-nfl-draft-michigan-state

He's not wrong.

[CoachChaz]

He's not wrong.

How many starting NFL QB's dont have a "C" on their jersey? How many of the top 15 QB prospects were not team captains? Somehow I doubt there was some sort of conspiracy at MSU. Ans when you read about how "weird" the kid is in the locker room and with some teammates...it makes sense they didnt vote for him.

Maybe he grows out of it...who knows. But it's a risk to take...even in the 2nd round.

[Northman]

How many starting NFL QB's dont have a "C" on their jersey? How many of the top 15 QB prospects were not team captains? Somehow I doubt there was some sort of conspiracy at MSU. Ans when you read about how "weird" the kid is in the locker room and with some teammates...it makes sense they didnt vote for him.

Maybe he grows out of it...who knows. But it's a risk to take...even in the 2nd round.

Any QB is a risk to take so im not sure of the point there. But the bottom line is what you do on the field is the most important part of leading a team. Not every player is a rah rah kind of guy, i was never like that as a QB. I would rather let my play do the talking. Same for when i played on the defensive side, i didnt need a title to dictate who i was for the team.

[CoachChaz]

Any QB is a risk to take so im not sure of the point there. But the bottom line is what you do on the field is the most important part of leading a team. Not every player is a rah rah kind of guy, i was never like that as a QB. I would rather let my play do the talking. Same for when i played on the defensive side, i didnt need a title to dictate who i was for the team.

Which is all good and well, but if you see yourself that way and your team doesnt...are you really the "leader" that you think you are? Especially at the QB position. I can go around telling the whole world that my best skill as a business consultancy manager is my leadership qualities, but if my team thinks the opposite...maybe I'm making an assumption.

As far as the risk factor, yes, every QB is a risk. But it's an easier pill to swallow when the risk is tied to skill and it's adaptability to the NFL. But adding leadership and locker room presence to those question marks makes the risk even bigger. Just my opinion.

[chazoe60]

I didn't watch him much (cook) so how is his arm strength? Lammey swears he had one of the weakest arms at the combine. That combined with the leadership questions really makes me leary of him.

[Northman]

Which is all good and well, but if you see yourself that way and your team doesnt...are you really the "leader" that you think you are? Especially at the QB position. I can go around telling the whole world that my best skill as a business consultancy manager is my leadership qualities, but if my team thinks the opposite...maybe I'm making an assumption.

As far as the risk factor, yes, every QB is a risk. But it's an easier pill to swallow when the risk is tied to skill and it's adaptability to the NFL. But adding leadership and locker room presence to those question marks makes the risk even bigger. Just my opinion.

Well i guess my question is has his former teammates come out and said he is a bad person or player? Just because they did not vote him captain doesnt mean they didnt appreciate what he did in the lockeroom or field. Not every player can be a captain on any given team so does that mean 98% of the players on said teams are bad teammates? The logic just doesnt make sense. Cook probably has made some mistakes, he's young but im not sure i buy into this mantra that he is a bad lockeroom guy or bad teammate.

[Northman]

I didn't watch him much (cook) so how is his arm strength? Lammey swears he had one of the weakest arms at the combine. That combined with the leadership questions really makes me leary of him.

I watched most of the MSU games last year, he looked good to me when it counted.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

I didn't watch him much (cook) so how is his arm strength? Lammey swears he had one of the weakest arms at the combine. That combined with the leadership questions really makes me leary of him.

He doesn't have an overly strong arm, but I was impressed with his ability to put the ball into tight windows.

[tomjonesrocks]

I'm taking North's, Lammey is a narcissistic blowhard who contradicts himself more often than Big Al.

I hadn't heard Lammey before he took over he morning spot on the Fan. I'm enjoying his show so far. Spent my drive to work yesterday hearing how Paxton Lynch could fall to the Broncos.

[CoachChaz]

Well i guess my question is has his former teammates come out and said he is a bad person or player? Just because they did not vote him captain doesnt mean they didnt appreciate what he did in the lockeroom or field. Not every player can be a captain on any given team so does that mean 98% of the players on said teams are bad teammates? The logic just doesnt make sense. Cook probably has made some mistakes, he's young but im not sure i buy into this mantra that he is a bad lockeroom guy or bad teammate.

I'm not trying to sell it...I'm just regurgitating what scouting reports say. If it's all some BS collusion to drop his stock, then I'll stand corrected. But I doubt it. At the end of the day, it's no mystery that the QB is your field general and offensive leader. Everything goes through him and he needs a maturity and an ability to lead. If we come across multiple examples where ANY QB was not voted as a captain, then I'll reconsider. In the meantime, the fact is his teammates didnt vote for him...and scouts are reporting the reason why. Even the article says it. "The first question I get is "why didnt they vote for you?"" Then he goes into the typical "I lead by example" routine. EVERYONE says they lead by example when they arent considered a leader. There is probably a valid reason as to why that is the first question teams are asking him.

[CoachChaz]

At the end of the day, I guess it is what it is and NFL teams will do their research to find out the truths about Cook and his leadership abilities. As far as his skills go...I'd just say that if Andy Dalton is your cup of tea...you'll love Connor Cook.

[Simple Jaded]

Cook has a shoulder injury, but Lammey is talking about MPH when saying Cook had the weakest arm at combine. Somewhere in the 50's.

[Simple Jaded]

I hadn't heard Lammey before he took over he morning spot on the Fan. I'm enjoying his show so far. Spent my drive to work yesterday hearing how Paxton Lynch could fall to the Broncos.

Won't take long til he's spending an entire segment on how much smarter he is than we are because he watches film and not just YouTube videos, he's constantly giving his resume.

He swears he discovered JT, FOR the Broncos.

I've listened to him forever and he's constantly flip flopping on players; Hillman was going to be the bellcow until it was obvious that was never happening, then he talks about how he knew Hillman was a change of pace back coming out. He flip flopped on Sambrailo within a matter of an hour, he hated the pick at first, then talked to a "scouting buddy" on a commercial break and started talking about how this buddy says Sambrailo is a future ProBowler. To this day he talks about how he had Sambrailo rated a 1st round pick coming out of the draft, but "only as a RT".

He flip flopped on Tebow at least three times.

If I had a dollar for every time I've heard about how he thought Denver should have taken LaVonte David (even though Denver had two established WLB's at the time, Travathon and Woodyard) I could buy the Broncos and hire Lammey as GM.

Other than that he's great.

[OrangeHoof]

You little ...

Cooksucker?

[OrangeHoof]

If you're going to spend the 63rd overall pick on Prescott or Hackenberg (the only two of the Top Six I think will be left by that pick), why not trade up from the 31st pick for a better chance at Paxton Lynch?

Of course, that depends on how Kubiak and Elway perceive Lynch and/or Cook but don't just sit there at #31 and hope either one falls to you. QBs tend to be overrated in the draft and those with first round ability tend to be overrated even more so if Kubiak/Elway really want their QBOTF while Sanchez baby-sits, move up to make sure you get the one you want. Don't wait for a team like the Browns, Niners or Cowboys to trade up with the Panthers or Cardinals and snatch that QB away.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Dak, Hack, Utah RB or an interior ol.