View Full Version : MALIK, OZ, TREVATHAN AND CJ.....comp picks
WARHORSE
03-11-2016, 09:08 PM
Next year they will be two third rounders, a fourth and a sixth I believe.
AND since we know we will have them, we can trade our third next year since we know we have two others.
We will be armed with a 1st, 2nd, 3-3rds, 2 fourths, a 5th and two 6ths.....if we havent traded them away already.
11 picks.......oh yes.
CoachChaz
03-11-2016, 09:12 PM
A lot of assumptions there. Injury, play time, performance and post season awards factor into the equation as well. Not just money
A lot of assumptions there. Injury, play time, performance and post season awards factor into the equation as well. Not just money
Add to that that comp picks come at the end of each round, so the best of the lot's little better than a high 4th, the rest proportionately worse. Not a huge difference when picking at the end of every round ANYWAY, but if we're around .500, yeah, there's a significant difference between #80 and #100. HOWEVER: Comp picks ARE tradable next year, so that's something to consider. I'd prefer Miamis #42 overall pick PLUS any 2017 comp pick CJ merits, but the latter's better than nothing.
WARHORSE
03-11-2016, 09:30 PM
A lot of assumptions there. Injury, play time, performance and post season awards factor into the equation as well. Not just money
Maybe. I figure Julius was out alot this year with injury and we still got a third for him.....Malik and Oz went to the bank way over Julius.
Those third round picks are going to look beautiful when you can trade them to go up from 31 to 17 if we wanted to jump that far just using our third rounders.
Draft flexibility is huge and we're going to have it next year......;)
Maybe. I figure Julius was out alot this year with injury and we still got a third for him.....Malik and Oz went to the bank way over Julius.
Those third round picks are going to look beautiful when you can trade them to go up from 31 to 17 if we wanted to jump that far just using our third rounders.
Draft flexibility is huge and we're going to have it next year......;)
They might as well be early 4ths; we're not moving up a whole lot with that, no matter how many we get. Maybe in the 2nd or 3rd, but not much more. And keep in mind: Teal Julius didn't have a Pro Bowl season, but he produced on about the same level as Owen Daniels AND got paid twice as much. I frankly doubt Oz has a year like that, though he and Jackson are earning about twice the cash. I expect better seasons from CJ and Danny.
UnderArmour
03-11-2016, 09:50 PM
They might as well be early 4ths; we're not moving up a whole lot with that, no matter how many we get. Maybe in the 2nd or 3rd, but not much more. And keep in mind: Teal Julius didn't have a Pro Bowl season, but he produced on about the same level as Owen Daniels AND got paid twice as much. I frankly doubt Oz has a year like that, though he and Jackson are earning about twice the cash. I expect better seasons from CJ and Danny.
CJ would not net a comp pick because he is an RFA. By not tendering him higher, the Broncos forfeited their chance at any kind of compensation. If Denver doesn't match, CJ is gone with no comp picks for him next year. Oz will net a 3rd compensatory pick because he's going to start the year off as a starting QB, plus $18 million. Malik should too due to top 5 position compensation, regardless of production. Trevathan is where it gets tricky, or just another 6th.
CJ would not net a comp pick because he is an RFA.
Didn't realize being an RFA mattered for comp picks, but fair enough then. Oz though... I think our giraffe's being thrown to the Lions (et al.) as an inexperienced QB for an incompetent GM tossing aside the solid starting line Kubiak and Dennison built him. Then I think about Houstonians showing up at Schaubs HOUSE to try picking a fight in front of his kids... be careful what you wish for, Oz....
Simple Jaded
03-11-2016, 10:05 PM
Joel I think you should change your screen name to Wet Blanket.
WARHORSE
03-11-2016, 10:39 PM
They might as well be early 4ths; we're not moving up a whole lot with that, no matter how many we get. Maybe in the 2nd or 3rd, but not much more. And keep in mind: Teal Julius didn't have a Pro Bowl season, but he produced on about the same level as Owen Daniels AND got paid twice as much. I frankly doubt Oz has a year like that, though he and Jackson are earning about twice the cash. I expect better seasons from CJ and Danny.
They might as well be early fourths........really? They are third rounders and they have an alotted scale that most follow in the NFL trade value chart. So it is what it is. We can move up whatever the value is.
If we sit at 31 next year, we can use our thirds to move up to 17 with a willing partner.
More than that if we throw in the second.
All thats being said is.......we have alot more flexibility due to our compensated picks.
And I think its true on CJ........
They might as well be early fourths........really? They are third rounders and they have an alotted scale that most follow in the NFL trade value chart. So it is what it is. We can move up whatever the value is.
They're 3rd round COMPENSATORY picks: That means after ALL natural picks. In other words, they're literally the ONLY thing between the FINAL natural 3rd and INITIAL 4th round natural pick. If that's not blindingly clear enough:
This years HIGHEST comp pick is #95 overall; the first 4th round pick is #99 overall.
Yes, they're effectively early 4ths; the first compensatory pick—of ANY round—is exactly where the first 4th round pick would be if comp picks didn't exist.
If we sit at 31 next year, we can use our thirds to move up to 17 with a willing partner.
More than that if we throw in the second.
I doubt that very much. Probably SHOULD, but won't; not the way teams overvalue earlier round picks.
All thats being said is.......we have alot more flexibility due to our compensated picks.
And I think its true on CJ........
Flexibility, sure, but we're not moving HALFWAY UP THE FIRST ROUND by trading picks at the END OF THE THIRD. And THANK GOD, because giving up ALL our early round picks just to move up a dozen or so spots in the 1st would be a hideous waste. Especially given that most Broncos contracts expire in <1 year.
Joel I think you should change your screen name to Wet Blanket.
I think people should take off their orange-COVERED glasses and forget about parlaying picks #97-100 into the next Von Miller, 'cause it ain't gonna happen.
DenBronx
03-12-2016, 12:11 AM
Which is why idgaf if we trade away our original picks that we already have for next year in THIS years draft to move up.
Which is why idgaf if we trade away our original picks that we already have for next year in THIS years draft to move up.
Sure, but we're not moving up MUCH with our natural #63, #94 and a bunch of TBD 2017 comp picks. And we're not just giving them all away since comp picks and Baltimores #144 are our ONLY picks between the end of the 3rd and 7th: Remember, we already did the "trade all next years midround picks" thing LAST year with our 4th, 5th and 6th rounders. This idea we've got lots of picks to trade away's a fallacy; here's what we ACTUALLY have:
1
31
Denver Broncos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Denver_Broncos_season)
2
63
Denver Broncos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Denver_Broncos_season)
3
94
Denver Broncos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Denver_Broncos_season)
3*
98
Denver Broncos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Denver_Broncos_season)
4*
136
Denver Broncos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Denver_Broncos_season)
5
144
Denver Broncos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Denver_Broncos_season)
from Baltimore (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Baltimore_Ravens_season) [R5 - 3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_NFL_draft#cite_note-26)
6*
219
Denver Broncos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Denver_Broncos_season)
7
228
Denver Broncos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Denver_Broncos_season)
from San Francisco (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_San_Francisco_49ers_season) [R7 - 3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_NFL_draft#cite_note-69)
7
235
Denver Broncos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Denver_Broncos_season)
from Los Angeles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Los_Angeles_Rams_season) via Houston (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Houston_Texans_season) [R7 - 6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_NFL_draft#cite_note-75)
7
253
Denver Broncos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Denver_Broncos_season)
Mr. Irrelevant
One good, three decent and two mediocre picks plus a bunch of pogs. We may have no choice but to try to spend them moving up for a starting QB, but then that and ONE decent player's probably ALL we get. Moving up much at all in the 1st will likely take our natural 2nd and/or 3rd rounders.
I think people should take off their orange-COVERED glasses and forget about parlaying picks #97-100 into the next Von Miller, 'cause it ain't gonna happen.
Brandon Marshall LB =pick #142 (we didn't pick, but just posted to show the talent after #100)
Danny Trevathan=pick #188
Malik Jackson= pick #137
Elway has been very good in mid to late rounds. They don't have to be Von Miller, but I'll take any guy taken #100 and beyond who can play like any one of those three and be excited.
T. Davis, 6th round
Sharpe, 7th round
Mecklenburg, 12th round
Brady, 6th round
MOtorboat
03-12-2016, 01:32 AM
Add to that that comp picks come at the end of each round, so the best of the lot's little better than a high 4th, the rest proportionately worse. Not a huge difference when picking at the end of every round ANYWAY, but if we're around .500, yeah, there's a significant difference between #80 and #100. HOWEVER: Comp picks ARE tradable next year, so that's something to consider. I'd prefer Miamis #42 overall pick PLUS any 2017 comp pick CJ merits, but the latter's better than nothing.
They might as well be early 4ths; we're not moving up a whole lot with that, no matter how many we get. Maybe in the 2nd or 3rd, but not much more. And keep in mind: Teal Julius didn't have a Pro Bowl season, but he produced on about the same level as Owen Daniels AND got paid twice as much. I frankly doubt Oz has a year like that, though he and Jackson are earning about twice the cash. I expect better seasons from CJ and Danny.
Didn't realize being an RFA mattered for comp picks, but fair enough then. Oz though... I think our giraffe's being thrown to the Lions (et al.) as an inexperienced QB for an incompetent GM tossing aside the solid starting line Kubiak and Dennison built him. Then I think about Houstonians showing up at Schaubs HOUSE to try picking a fight in front of his kids... be careful what you wish for, Oz....
They're 3rd round COMPENSATORY picks: That means after ALL natural picks. In other words, they're literally the ONLY thing between the FINAL natural 3rd and INITIAL 4th round natural pick. If that's not blindingly clear enough:
This years HIGHEST comp pick is #95 overall; the first 4th round pick is #99 overall.
Yes, they're effectively early 4ths; the first compensatory pick—of ANY round—is exactly where the first 4th round pick would be if comp picks didn't exist.
I doubt that very much. Probably SHOULD, but won't; not the way teams overvalue earlier round picks.
Flexibility, sure, but we're not moving HALFWAY UP THE FIRST ROUND by trading picks at the END OF THE THIRD. And THANK GOD, because giving up ALL our early round picks just to move up a dozen or so spots in the 1st would be a hideous waste. Especially given that most Broncos contracts expire in <1 year.
I think people should take off their orange-COVERED glasses and forget about parlaying picks #97-100 into the next Von Miller, 'cause it ain't gonna happen.
Sure, but we're not moving up MUCH with our natural #63, #94 and a bunch of TBD 2017 comp picks. And we're not just giving them all away since comp picks and Baltimores #144 are our ONLY picks between the end of the 3rd and 7th: Remember, we already did the "trade all next years midround picks" thing LAST year with our 4th, 5th and 6th rounders. This idea we've got lots of picks to trade away's a fallacy; here's what we ACTUALLY have:
1
31
Denver Broncos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Denver_Broncos_season)
2
63
Denver Broncos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Denver_Broncos_season)
3
94
Denver Broncos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Denver_Broncos_season)
3*
98
Denver Broncos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Denver_Broncos_season)
4*
136
Denver Broncos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Denver_Broncos_season)
5
144
Denver Broncos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Denver_Broncos_season)
from Baltimore (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Baltimore_Ravens_season) [R5 - 3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_NFL_draft#cite_note-26)
6*
219
Denver Broncos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Denver_Broncos_season)
7
228
Denver Broncos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Denver_Broncos_season)
from San Francisco (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_San_Francisco_49ers_season) [R7 - 3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_NFL_draft#cite_note-69)
7
235
Denver Broncos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Denver_Broncos_season)
from Los Angeles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Los_Angeles_Rams_season) via Houston (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Houston_Texans_season) [R7 - 6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_NFL_draft#cite_note-75)
7
253
Denver Broncos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Denver_Broncos_season)
Mr. Irrelevant
One good, three decent and two mediocre picks plus a bunch of pogs. We may have no choice but to try to spend them moving up for a starting QB, but then that and ONE decent player's probably ALL we get. Moving up much at all in the 1st will likely take our natural 2nd and/or 3rd rounders.
You're miserable. Denver gets handed a third round pick and your first thought is, yeah, but it's really a fourth?
Brandon Marshall LB =pick #142 (we didn't pick, but just posted to show the talent after #100)
Danny Trevathan=pick #188
Malik Jackson= pick #137
Elway has been very good in mid to late rounds. They don't have to be Von Miller, but I'll take any guy taken #100 and beyond who can play like any one of those three and be excited.
T. Davis, 6th round
Sharpe, 7th round
Mecklenburg, 12th round
Brady, 6th round
All the more reason not to trade away next years comp picks. Too bad we traded away this years 4th-6th rounders last year, but at least we have the 3rd, 4th and 6th round comp picks, which aren't much worse than a SB Champs final picks in each round.
You're miserable. Denver gets handed a third round pick and your first thought is, yeah, but it's really a fourth?
You're myopic: It's effectively a 4th, yes, but, more to the point, I'm not saying I don't WANT the pick, only that the idea we're going to go rocketing up the 1st or 2nd round selections by trading away NEXT years comp picks when we don't even HAVE them yet is absurd.
What happens if we trade away our "2017 3rd round comp pick" now and it turns out the NFL awards us a 2017 comp pick no higher than 4th, or 5th? Does our trade partner get this years pick back i 2017? Think the League Office would allow a trade like that? How 'bout we put your HIGHLY PERSONAL "Joel hates the Broncos" crusade aside long enough to send Homer back to Springfield along with that trade idea and all the other fantastic fiction?
All the more reason not to trade away next years comp picks. Too bad we traded away this years 4th-6th rounders last year, but at least we have the 3rd, 4th and 6th round comp picks, which aren't much worse than a SB Champs final picks in each round.
You're myopic: It's effectively a 4th, yes, but, more to the point, I'm not saying I don't WANT the pick, only that the idea we're going to go rocketing up the 1st or 2nd round selections by trading away NEXT years comp picks when we don't even HAVE them yet is absurd.
What happens if we trade away our "2017 3rd round comp pick" now and it turns out the NFL awards us a 2017 comp pick no higher than 4th, or 5th? Does our trade partner get this years pick back i 2017? Think the League Office would allow a trade like that? How 'bout we put your HIGHLY PERSONAL "Joel hates the Broncos" crusade aside long enough to send Homer back to Springfield along with that trade idea and all the other fantastic fiction?
Are you ever just happy? My goodness.
TXBRONC
03-12-2016, 08:17 AM
Joel I think you should change your screen name to Wet Blanket.
Or maybe sourpuss.
TXBRONC
03-12-2016, 08:20 AM
You're miserable. Denver gets handed a third round pick and your first thought is, yeah, but it's really a fourth?
Even if it was a 4th it would still be an extra pick or did I miss something along the way? :confused:
MOtorboat
03-12-2016, 12:21 PM
Even if was a 4th it would still be an extra pick or did I miss something along the way? :confused:
Round is irrelevant. Joel is such a miserable individual that he sees let third round picks as fourth round picks.
Are you ever just happy? My goodness.
Sure, lots of times. Just not about moving up from #31 to #17 by trading 2017 comp picks we DON'T EVEN HAVE YET:
Because that's 1) probably illegal and 2) impossible regardless.
Even if was a 4th it would still be an extra pick or did I miss something along the way? :confused:
Nope, you got it exactly: It's an extra pick, and, between the 3rd and 4th rounds, it's practically the definition of "middling," while the rest are lower. Nice to have, but no one's gonna move us halfway up the 1st round for that, certainly not for 2017 comp picks when they don't even know where (nor IF) we'll get any.
At least for now, we're using our comp picks AS comp picks, to get players, not other picks, and Elway's gotten good value in later rounds (often better than he got in early rounds.) Maybe trading them will be worth revisiting once that's actually legal, but that's not until next year. Now back to your regularly scheduled reality....
Round is irrelevant. Joel is such a miserable individual that he sees let third round picks as fourth round picks.
Rnd.
Pick #
NFL team
3*
98
Denver Broncos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Denver_Broncos_season)
4
99
Cleveland Browns (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Cleveland_Browns_season)
If noting the FINAL pick before the 4th's still TECHNICALLY in the 3rd helps you homer at night, revel in that technicality. In fact, guess what: Our 1st and 2nd picks are the FINAL ones of those rounds, too, and our natural 3rd rounder's #95; yea! :rolleyes:
CoachChaz
03-12-2016, 12:33 PM
Let's just agree to call it what it is...a sandwich pick. It happens right after the regular round and just before the next round.
Good grief. The things people bitch about.
BroncoWave
03-12-2016, 01:03 PM
Sure, lots of times. Just not about moving up from #31 to #17 by trading 2017 comp picks we DON'T EVEN HAVE YET:
Because that's 1) probably illegal and 2) impossible regardless.
Nope, you got it exactly: It's an extra pick, and, between the 3rd and 4th rounds, it's practically the definition of "middling," while the rest are lower. Nice to have, but no one's gonna move us halfway up the 1st round for that, certainly not for 2017 comp picks when they don't even know where (nor IF) we'll get any.
At least for now, we're using our comp picks AS comp picks, to get players, not other picks, and Elway's gotten good value in later rounds (often better than he got in early rounds.) Maybe trading them will be worth revisiting once that's actually legal, but that's not until next year. Now back to your regularly scheduled reality....
Joel no one is suggesting trading next year's comp picks this year. What has been suggested is that we trade our actual third round pick next year because we will still likely have a comp pick in our back pocket later in the third round.
Let's just agree to call it what it is...a sandwich pick. It happens right after the regular round and just before the next round.
Good grief. The things people bitch about.
Works for me.
Joel no one is suggesting trading next year's comp picks this year. What has been suggested is that we trade our actual third round pick next year because we will still likely have a comp pick in our back pocket later in the third round.
Between talk of trading comp picks next year and next years natural picks now BECAUSE of next years comp picks, it's hard to tell WHAT'S being discussed.
If all we're talking about is trading next years natural picks now because we know we'll have comp picks, fine: We did that last year, so have no natural picks between the 3rd and 7th rounds. Bear in mind though: That worked out OK because we 1) got a ton of comp picks and 2) won the SB, so there's not a huge difference between our comp and natural picks (in the 3rd, it's only 4 spots, and that's with the FINAL 3rd round comp pick.)
Counting on a ton of comp picks AND a repeat championship—when we don't even have a QB—is premature (to put it mildly.)
TXBRONC
03-12-2016, 01:30 PM
Sure, lots of times. Just not about moving up from #31 to #17 by trading 2017 comp picks we DON'T EVEN HAVE YET:
Because that's 1) probably illegal and 2) impossible regardless.
Nope, you got it exactly: It's an extra pick, and, between the 3rd and 4th rounds, it's practically the definition of "middling," while the rest are lower. Nice to have, but no one's gonna move us halfway up the 1st round for that, certainly not for 2017 comp picks when they don't even know where (nor IF) we'll get any.
At least for now, we're using our comp picks AS comp picks, to get players, not other picks, and Elway's gotten good value in later rounds (often better than he got in early rounds.) Maybe trading them will be worth revisiting once that's actually legal, but that's not until next year. Now back to your regularly scheduled reality....
I have not heard that Elway wants move up in the first round. This sounds like you making more assumptions about thing you're clueless about. I'm not sure what Denver's natural pick selections are this year but those can be traded if Denver has them. That assumes Elway wants to use them in trade and has willing trade partner. Btw I'm living in reality but you I'm not so sure.
WARHORSE
03-12-2016, 01:46 PM
They're 3rd round COMPENSATORY picks: That means after ALL natural picks. In other words, they're literally the ONLY thing between the FINAL natural 3rd and INITIAL 4th round natural pick. If that's not blindingly clear enough:
Did you stay at a Holiday Inn last night or sumthing?
So here, you want to define for me that the picks are COMPENSATORY. Um....did someone get lost along the way? Mainly you? You seem to want to illustrate for all of us that COMPENSATORY picks come at the END of the THIRD round which makes them a FOURTH rounder. Why dont you define what the difference is between a THIRD round COMPENSATORY pick and a FOURTH round COMPENSATORY pick? Where does a FOURTH round compensatory pick come? Hmmmm......Im BAFFLED. I better ask Joel.
Heres one for you Joel. What do you call a 7th round COMPENSATORY pick? Is that REALLY a pick at the beginning of an imagined EIGHTH round???? Or is that really the first pick in free agency?
My Lord you are stubborn to try and name a third round compensatory pick a fourth rounder. Do yourself a favor right now and grab an iron mallet and drop it on your head before you attempt to respond again. I think it will help.
This years HIGHEST comp pick is #95 overall; the first 4th round pick is #99 overall.
This is one of the tactics you love to use. You state the obviously true in order to try and bring validation to your argument. Um....it doesnt work Joel for people who actually read with a little comprehension. Heres some others feel free to use in the future:
Water is wet. John Elway is the greatest Bronco ever. The sun is amazingly hot. Discussing topics with Joel in a thread is jumping on a never ending merry go round.
Yes, they're effectively early 4ths; the first compensatory pick—of ANY round—is exactly where the first 4th round pick would be if comp picks didn't exist.
SMH. Im going to pray for you now.
I doubt that very much. Probably SHOULD, but won't; not the way teams overvalue earlier round picks.
Flexibility, sure, but we're not moving HALFWAY UP THE FIRST ROUND by trading picks at the END OF THE THIRD. And THANK GOD, because giving up ALL our early round picks just to move up a dozen or so spots in the 1st would be a hideous waste. Especially given that most Broncos contracts expire in <1 year.
This is you ignoring the trade value chart and making up your own pick comp for trades.
Youre arguing your opinion.
Again.
A THIRD round compensatory pick is really a FOURTH rounder.
Read that out loud to yourself Joel nice and slow.
Again.
Again.
One more time bud.
Keep practicing, you'll get better.
Heres one for you Joel. What do you call a 7th round COMPENSATORY pick? Is that REALLY a pick at the beginning of an imagined EIGHTH round???? Or is that really the first pick in free agency?
YES: There's NO SUCH THING as a "7th round compensatory pick." Why do you think that is?
Never mind. If RESPONDING to speculation we can shoot up the 1st round by trading away all our picks is "making more assumptions about thing you're clueless about" if someone actually bothers to FIND OUT our picks but NOT if they ADMIT NOT KNOWING, what's the point? If people want to repeatedly cite the trade value chart (http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php) AND ignore the glaringly obvious and NEGLIGIBLE difference between the #94 and #98 pick (http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php), who am I to stop them? Life's too short for this. :rolleyes:
MOtorboat
03-12-2016, 03:08 PM
YES: There's NO SUCH THING as a "7th round compensatory pick." Why do you think that is?
Never mind. If RESPONDING to speculation we can shoot up the 1st round by trading away all our picks is "making more assumptions about thing you're clueless about" if someone actually bothers to FIND OUT our picks but NOT if they ADMIT NOT KNOWING, what's the point? If people want to repeatedly cite the trade value chart (http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php) AND ignore the glaringly obvious and NEGLIGIBLE difference between the #94 and #98 pick (http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php), who am I to stop them? Life's too short for this. :rolleyes:
If there were no 7th round compensatory picks, how did Denver get three last year?
If there were no 7th round compensatory picks, how did Denver get three last year?
You're right; it makes no sense to me, but it's true whether it makes sense to me or not.
TXBRONC
03-12-2016, 03:22 PM
If there were no 7th round compensatory picks, how did Denver get three last year?
#majic
WARHORSE
03-13-2016, 05:08 AM
You're right; it makes no sense to me, but it's true whether it makes sense to me or not.
Thats whats tough about you, arguing a position of what makes sense to you vs what reality is.
All 32 NFL teams generally agree with the TRADE VALUE CHART as a guideline for good trades. Doesnt mean they wont stray from it but its an agreed upon guideline. Therefore, all the comp picks allotted will have some assigned value. Not YOUR perceived value. That value will be used to reason through trades offered and considered between all parties.
Therefore, Denver has EVERY possibility of trading up in the draft according to the amount of VALUE assigned to those picks according to THEIR agreed upon value.
Not yours Joel.
Simple Jaded
03-13-2016, 01:21 PM
I think people should take off their orange-COVERED glasses and forget about parlaying picks #97-100 into the next Von Miller, 'cause it ain't gonna happen.
And I think you're a wet blanket.
Simple Jaded
03-13-2016, 01:28 PM
The Broncos don't have a 1st round pick because the 31st is basically a 2nd, on the bright side, they're picking at the beginning of each round.
NightTerror218
03-13-2016, 01:30 PM
The Broncos don't have a 1st round pick because the 31st is basically a 2nd, on the bright side, they're picking at the beginning of each round.
However #31 has the 5 yr option and higher pay for draftee
Simple Jaded
03-13-2016, 08:50 PM
However #31 has the 5 yr option and higher pay for draftee
Yeah but... it makes no sense to me.
NightTerror218
03-13-2016, 09:52 PM
Yeah but... it makes no sense to me.
One more 1st round then Patriots have
Al Wilson 4 Mayor
03-13-2016, 09:54 PM
One more 1st round then Patriots have
I'm starting to see things your way.
Therefore, all the comp picks allotted will have some assigned value. Not YOUR perceived value. That value will be used to reason through trades offered and considered between all parties.
Therefore, Denver has EVERY possibility of trading up in the draft according to the amount of VALUE assigned to those picks according to THEIR agreed upon value.
Not yours Joel.
Please tell me we're not back to trading this years (or next years) comp picks to move up now. If we're JUST talking about trading next years natural picks to move up now BECAUSE we'll have comp picks next year, fine (though there's no way to be sure which nor even IF we'll have comp picks next year; Jackson, Danny, Oz and CJ could all bomb and quickly end up benched in their new homes, though I'd bet against ALL of them doing so.) But we're not trading comp picks in 2016 (that's illegal.)
However #31 has the 5 yr option and higher pay for draftee
That's the ONLY difference and ONLY in the 1st round. Since there's such a HUGE difference between our 1st and Tennessees 2nd, maybe we should offer them a trade if they throw in their 3rd and 4th round picks to make up that MASSIVE value difference.
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