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WARHORSE
01-10-2016, 12:49 AM
I dont see Ben playing. His injury has to be a separated shoulder. Not a clavicle because he wouldnt have come back in.

Like Brian Griese against the Raiders years ago, they can take you in and give you shots when youre in the game like that to make the pain bearable, but once the swelling takes over after the game, he wont be able to play next week.

Thats my opinion with the caveat Ben isnt a regular dude...so we'll see.

Brown will be up in the air dependent on how bad his concussion is. If its mild..he may be able to play. If not, I doubt it.

That being said, I dont like games like this where the perception will be that we will beat them down.

BREAKING NEWS:: The Bengals are idiots.

Nomad
01-10-2016, 12:53 AM
BRONCOS win.....don't really care about the details other than BRONCOS win.

pulse
01-10-2016, 12:57 AM
The perception that we beat them down won't bother me at all. It's a playoff game. Whether we win by 30 points or 1 point, just win. Ben or no Ben, the Steelers will fight, scratch and claw. It won't be a gimme.

BronColt
01-10-2016, 12:58 AM
Quite possibly one of the craziest games I've ever seen!

Honestly I was hoping to play the Steelers BEFORE the injuries. I think the Chiefs have a much better shot at taking out the Patriots and send the Chiefs our way for a sweet sweet revenge game!

I hate that they happen, but Maclin out vs Patriots could be catastrophic. Can anyone recall any other Chiefs injuries?

If Ben isn't out next week he'll be getting hassled by Ware and Miller for another 60 minutes. Did Ware play the last game? I can't imagine Brown playing next week, he got his bell RUNG!

Who knows if Williams will play but without the QB AND top WR the odds are in our favor.

They completely spent everything they had as a team to win this game, they'll be sucking on Denver air within days; how much can you really recover within that time, with a lack of oxygen?!

We caught a huge break, things are looking good next week no matter what!

I have a feeling this is going to be a playoff revenge tour, with Steelers and Chiefs to get to the SB! Calling it now!

ShaneFalco
01-10-2016, 01:11 AM
Tebow to Thomas!

olathebroncofan
01-10-2016, 01:14 AM
Quite possibly one of the craziest games I've ever seen!

Honestly I was hoping to play the Steelers BEFORE the injuries. I think the Chiefs have a much better shot at taking out the Patriots and send the Chiefs our way for a sweet sweet revenge game!

I hate that they happen, but Maclin out vs Patriots could be catastrophic. Can anyone recall any other Chiefs injuries?

If Ben isn't out next week he'll be getting hassled by Ware and Miller for another 60 minutes. Did Ware play the last game? I can't imagine Brown playing next week, he got his bell RUNG!

Who knows if Williams will play but without the QB AND top WR the odds are in our favor.

They completely spent everything they had as a team to win this game, they'll be sucking on Denver air within days; how much can you really recover within that time, with a lack of oxygen?!

We caught a huge break, things are looking good next week no matter what!

I have a feeling this is going to be a playoff revenge tour, with Steelers and Chiefs to get to the SB! Calling it now!

I think Justin Houston came off the field a couple times because of his knee. He is not 100%. I think that the Pats and chiefs will beat each other up and limp into the championship game. But firsr...Let's take care of the steelers.

BronColt
01-10-2016, 01:24 AM
Ben got a cheeseBerger and a full Dasani bottle thrown at him while getting carted off the field! WTF Bengals fans!? I'm glad you lost you class-less Sons a Beotches!!

https://vine.co/v/ihlmDi3wZUV

Davii
01-10-2016, 01:26 AM
Ben got a cheeseBerger and a full Dasani bottle thrown at him while getting carted off the field! WTF Bengals fans!? I'm glad you lost you class-less Sons a Beotches!!

https://vine.co/v/ihlmDi3wZUV

Pretty damn disgusting, no doubt.

ShaneFalco
01-10-2016, 01:30 AM
Ben got a cheeseBerger and a full Dasani bottle thrown at him while getting carted off the field! WTF Bengals fans!? I'm glad you lost you class-less Sons a Beotches!!

https://vine.co/v/ihlmDi3wZUV
Seahawks fans did that to the 49ers Bowman as he was being carted off a few years ago

Cugel
01-10-2016, 01:43 AM
BREAKING NEWS:: The Bengals are idiots.

That might have been news in 1990, but not now. :lol:

That has to be the worst finish by any playoff team since the Music City Miracle. All those idiots had to do is not commit any stupid penalties, and the Steelers have to line up for a 50 yard FG in the driving rain.

Dapper Dan
01-10-2016, 02:02 AM
Meh. Everyone has sucky fans.

Joel
01-10-2016, 02:02 AM
Quite possibly one of the craziest games I've ever seen!

Honestly I was hoping to play the Steelers BEFORE the injuries. I think the Chiefs have a much better shot at taking out the Patriots and send the Chiefs our way for a sweet sweet revenge game!

I hate that they happen, but Maclin out vs Patriots could be catastrophic. Can anyone recall any other Chiefs injuries?

If Ben isn't out next week he'll be getting hassled by Ware and Miller for another 60 minutes. Did Ware play the last game? I can't imagine Brown playing next week, he got his bell RUNG!

Who knows if Williams will play but without the QB AND top WR the odds are in our favor.

They completely spent everything they had as a team to win this game, they'll be sucking on Denver air within days; how much can you really recover within that time, with a lack of oxygen?!

We caught a huge break, things are looking good next week no matter what!

I have a feeling this is going to be a playoff revenge tour, with Steelers and Chiefs to get to the SB! Calling it now!
While this was largely my take as well, both before and after the game, let's bear in mind:

Luck's last game was fresh off concussion protocol, with a couple unreported cracked ribs (still don't know how Indy got away with that) and the league's #1 pass rush bruised his spleen: He still finished the game and the Colts won convincingly. Their whole season went into a tailspin as a result of the severe beating we gave a QB already badly injured, so they didn't even make the playoffs, but: How much did any of that help US?

Come to play, Broncos, from kickoff to final (not just 4th qtr) gun: If ya'll learned NOTHING else from the last 5 years, I pray each of you at least learned THAT. I'm neither a commentator, ad exec nor bookie, so hope we bury Pitt by 30 by halftime and Siemian spends the whole second half mopping up by going through the motions. We were supposed to bulldoze Pitt after they upset Mannings Colts to give us homefield in '05, too: Who bulldozed whom en route to a SB win?

Nomad
01-10-2016, 02:04 AM
Meh. Everyone has sucky fans.

Very true! D batteries and snowballs ring a bell.

Dapper Dan
01-10-2016, 02:21 AM
I hope the fans show up. I don't want to see a bunch of ******* yellow in the stands.

silkamilkamonico
01-10-2016, 02:40 AM
I hope the fans show up. I don't want to see a bunch of ******* yellow in the stands.

Good luck with that - we'll see plenty of yellow in the stands.

Will be a fun game to watch. Pittsburgh's a backyard beast of a team. Prime definition of "kicking and screaming". Can't wait. F'n great day of football.

Bronco4ever
01-10-2016, 02:45 AM
It's a given that every seat at SAF @ Mile High will be adorned with an orange towel to drown out those God awful towels of our opponents.

WARHORSE
01-10-2016, 03:33 AM
Now that we know Peyton is starting, Im hoping Kubiak lets him run the offense at the LOS. The most valuable mind on the field is Peytons and if we spread them out we should have great success. Their secondary is horrible.



Also really hoping to see our running game continue to progress. If we can run whenever Peyton audibles into it, I will be one HAPPY camper as we

hopefully go deeper into the playoffs. If we can peak right now we can be Superbowl 50 champs. No doubt.

Timmy!
01-10-2016, 04:36 AM
Honestly, today really couldn't have gone much better. I smell blood, and I love it.

TXBRONC
01-10-2016, 09:04 AM
Ben got a cheeseBerger and a full Dasani bottle thrown at him while getting carted off the field! WTF Bengals fans!? I'm glad you lost you class-less Sons a Beotches!!

https://vine.co/v/ihlmDi3wZUV

Seattle fans are as bad if not worse.

VonDoom
01-10-2016, 09:44 AM
Honestly, today really couldn't have gone much better. I smell blood, and I love it.

Really? I'm already nervous about seeing the Steelers come in here.

Have we learned nothing about being over confident in this round? They will fight to their last breath to win this game.

Oh, and to the OP ... I think Ben will play. He's a cyborg. I'm not going to speculate on the injury but an MD on Twitter said that it's probably a joint sprain and he'd be fine. Who knows. I just think that unless he's in a full body cast, he'll play. Brown, on the other hand, I don't know ...

OrangeHoof
01-10-2016, 09:57 AM
Key factors:

1. How cold is it? Manning loses feeling in his fingertips in cold weather. He's taken to wearing gloves but that normally takes time to get a good grip on the ball. Hoping for 40-degree weather.

2. Will Rapenstein play? I'm guessing so. Dude has freakish healing power and pain threshhold. They just send him to the lockeroom and tighten the bolts in his neck and then he's ready to go back out and throw more touchdown passes.

3. Will the Steelers bring their refs? This may be the most important factor of all. Particularly if we are assigned Voinovich, you'll know the fix is in. If we get Hochuli or Hussey, the suits want a Denver win.

Dzone
01-10-2016, 10:08 AM
Wallace dirty hit on David Bruton during his broken leg game against Pittsburgh. Wonder if there will be some headhunting

spikerman
01-10-2016, 10:33 AM
Key factors:

1. How cold is it? Manning loses feeling in his fingertips in cold weather. He's taken to wearing gloves but that normally takes time to get a good grip on the ball. Hoping for 40-degree weather.

2. Will Rapenstein play? I'm guessing so. Dude has freakish healing power and pain threshhold. They just send him to the lockeroom and tighten the bolts in his neck and then he's ready to go back out and throw more touchdown passes.

3. Will the Steelers bring their refs? This may be the most important factor of all. Particularly if we are assigned Voinovich, you'll know the fix is in. If we get Hochuli or Hussey, the suits want a Denver win.

Manning never has feeling in his fingertips, it's the nature of nerve damage. The gloves help with grip for the rest of the hand since the cold makes the footballs slippery.

Your last point is pretty ridiculous. If you believe that, why even watch the sport?

Dapper Dan
01-10-2016, 10:33 AM
Wallace dirty hit on David Bruton during his broken leg game against Pittsburgh. Wonder if there will be some headhunting

I forgot about that. **** the Steelers.

Northman
01-10-2016, 10:41 AM
Pretty damn disgusting, no doubt.

Disgraceful.

Northman
01-10-2016, 10:43 AM
Really? I'm already nervous about seeing the Steelers come in here.

Have we learned nothing about being over confident in this round? They will fight to their last breath to win this game.

Oh, and to the OP ... I think Ben will play. He's a cyborg. I'm not going to speculate on the injury but an MD on Twitter said that it's probably a joint sprain and he'd be fine. Who knows. I just think that unless he's in a full body cast, he'll play. Brown, on the other hand, I don't know ...

Except that Pitt has lost the last few times they have played in Denver. They just dont play very well here and are really banged up after their dogfight with Cincy. I like our chances.

Dzone
01-10-2016, 11:11 AM
Yea, its a grudge match. Big time. no eye poking with the game on the line lol

Nomad
01-10-2016, 12:26 PM
Wallace dirty hit on David Bruton during his broken leg game against Pittsburgh. Wonder if there will be some headhunting

No need for head hunting or retaliation. BRONCOS will dig themselves a hole with penalties, because I'm sure they'll get called more than the Steelers will. The revenge will be for the BRONCOS to win the game, and send the Steelers home to sit on the couch.

Denver Native (Carol)
01-10-2016, 12:31 PM
Right now, the weather forecast for the game is mostly sunny, temp 35, no wind, no precipitation, at start of game. Hopefully that is what it ends up to be.

In regards to Roethlisberger

from article:


Roethlisberger said he was in "a lot" of pain on that final drive. He told coaches he couldn't take any deep shots to the end zone because he couldn't throw the ball that far.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14539711/ben-roethlisberger-pittsburgh-steelers-injures-right-shoulder-wild-card-game-cincinnati-bengals

Will that still be how it will be this coming Sunday? I would imagine there will be constant reports during the week on if he will play, was there damage, or just soreness, etc.

VonDoom
01-10-2016, 12:51 PM
Except that Pitt has lost the last few times they have played in Denver. They just dont play very well here and are really banged up after their dogfight with Cincy. I like our chances.

Usually you're the wary one around here. Maybe you're on to something this time! I like the positivity. I definitely think we can win, but this was the game I was least looking forward to. At least two teams I hate can beat each other up in the other game.

Nomad
01-10-2016, 12:51 PM
Manning never has feeling in his fingertips, it's the nature of nerve damage. The gloves help with grip for the rest of the hand since the cold makes the footballs slippery.

Your last point is pretty ridiculous. If you believe that, why even watch the sport?

I'd rather Vinovich stay away from this game too.

GEM
01-10-2016, 12:51 PM
Anyone know why Vick was inactive last night? Surely, he is a better option than Landry? Landry looked like horse petucky.

VonDoom
01-10-2016, 12:52 PM
Manning never has feeling in his fingertips, it's the nature of nerve damage. The gloves help with grip for the rest of the hand since the cold makes the footballs slippery.

Your last point is pretty ridiculous. If you believe that, why even watch the sport?

I agree that there's no such thing as the Steelers bringing "their refs" to the game. But you won't be a little bit nervous is Vinovich is announced as our ref? Rational or not, that would bug me.

VonDoom
01-10-2016, 12:52 PM
Anyone know why Vick was inactive last night? Surely, he is a better option than Landry? Landry looked like horse petucky.

No way. Vick sucks now. Jones started a handful of games for Ben this year.

tomjonesrocks
01-10-2016, 01:00 PM
I can't imagine a scenario where Brown and Ben don't play.

While I'm not agreeing with the "Brown should get an Oscar for that" Cinci take - I strongly suspect he's not Wes Welker concussed from that.

Really hard to have big confidence playing anyone the way this team wins games but agree the Steelers are preferable to KC. They are taking care of their business right now and seem to be peaking.

Slick
01-10-2016, 01:02 PM
Pittsburgh will try to bully Denver. That is their M.O.

Nomad
01-10-2016, 01:09 PM
Pittsburgh will try to bully Denver. That is their M.O.

Question is.....will the BRONCOS be allowed to bully back?

Nomad
01-10-2016, 01:11 PM
I can't imagine a scenario where Brown and Ben don't play.

While I'm not agreeing with the "Brown should get an Oscar for that" Cinci take - I strongly suspect he's not Wes Welker concussed from that.

Really hard to have big confidence playing anyone the way this team wins games but agree the Steelers are preferable to KC. They are taking care of their business right now and seem to be peaking.

I agree on Rothlisberger and Brown. They'll play.

Slick
01-10-2016, 01:18 PM
Question is.....will the BRONCOS be allowed to bully back?

That's what Cincy did. Tried to give it back. I hope Denver just blows it off and plays football.

spikerman
01-10-2016, 01:18 PM
I agree that there's no such thing as the Steelers bringing "their refs" to the game. But you won't be a little bit nervous is Vinovich is announced as our ref? Rational or not, that would bug me.

Nope, I wouldn't be worried in the least about that. The referee is just one of 7 guys in the crew. They don't have as much authority as you would think. I also don't believe any of these guys care who wins..

Denver Native (Carol)
01-10-2016, 02:18 PM
Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger is believed to have suffered a sprained AC joint during Saturday's wild-card playoff victory over the Cincinnati Bengals, NFL Media's Albert Breer and NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported.

Roethlisberger underwent an MRI on his sore right shoulder Sunday and said he's day to day.

rest - http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000620376/article/ben-roethlisberger-believed-to-have-sprained-ac-joint

Denver Native (Carol)
01-10-2016, 02:20 PM
I am wondering if Pittsburgh will be both physically and mentally spent after last night's game, and will they have a dropoff in intensity.

Denver Native (Carol)
01-10-2016, 02:30 PM
CINCINNATI -- The throwdown at Paul Brown Stadium was the type of game that either galvanizes a team or buries it.

The Pittsburgh Steelers are about to find out which category they fall into.

After 60 minutes of haymakers, a $100 million shoulder to the turf, concussion protocols, helmets to the head, back-of-the-leg touchdown catches, Steelers assistant coaches barking at Bengals and insane momentum shifts, the Steelers left Cincinnati bruised and battered before Sunday's AFC divisional round game against Denver. Pittsburgh's two best players, Ben Roethlisberger (shoulder) and Antonio Brown (concussion), are now questionable.

rest - http://espn.go.com/blog/pittsburgh-steelers/post/_/id/17370/how-much-gas-do-steelers-have-left-after-cincy-throwdown

Poet
01-10-2016, 02:33 PM
Their running backs gashed us because we were taking the passing game away. Your speedier linebacks should be better able to account for their style of play. Williams playing would be a boost to them, but he's not going to be right, either. Brown is out, Ben is hurt.

Not sure how Pittsburgh pulls it out. Especially on the road.

Nomad
01-10-2016, 02:33 PM
I believe the BRONCOS win, but the Steelers are going to put up a fight and will bring the intensity. It'll be a close, hard fought game.

slim
01-10-2016, 02:38 PM
Pittsburgh will try to bully Denver. That is their M.O.

Talib will put out both of Porter's eyes.

Davii
01-10-2016, 03:07 PM
Ben will probably play, Brown probably won't I don't think. He looked unconscious for a second there and I think he probably won't be cleared in time to practice. Might play, but I think it's unlikely.

If Ben does play we'll find out quickly how good that shoulder is because either Ware or Miller is going to hit him hard early.

There's been a lot of speculation about how the players feel about Peyton coming back. I think as long as he is playing well enough not to be a detriment the rest of the team is going to play out of their minds with the "win it for Peyton" motivation. I think Peyton himself understands his legacy will be whatever he does in these playoffs. He can finish a SB champ with a winning playoff record or be remembered as the greatest regular season guy ever.

I think we're about to see a better, more motivated, tougher Broncos team than we've seen all season.

The D will be ready to show how good they are against a team that embarrassed them.

Broncos win by 2 scores.

slim
01-10-2016, 03:11 PM
Ben will probably play, Brown probably won't I don't think. He looked unconscious for a second there and I think he probably won't be cleared in time to practice. Might play, but I think it's unlikely.

If Ben does play we'll find out quickly how good that shoulder is because either Ware or Miller is going to hit him hard early.

There's been a lot of speculation about how the players feel about Peyton coming back. I think as long as he is playing well enough not to be a detriment the rest of the team is going to play out of their minds with the "win it for Peyton" motivation. I think Peyton himself understands his legacy will be whatever he does in these playoffs. He can finish a SB champ with a winning playoff record or be remembered as the greatest regular season guy ever.

I think we're about to see a better, more motivated, tougher Broncos team than we've seen all season.

The D will be ready to show how good they are against a team that embarrassed them.

Broncos win by 2 scores.

I will be surprised if Brown plays too. He was out cold for a few seconds.

They may get their RB back, though.

SR
01-10-2016, 03:13 PM
I will be surprised if Brown plays too. He was out cold for a few seconds. They may get their RB back, though.

Them getting Williams back doesn't frighten me so much. Denver's run defense is pretty damn good. Antonio Brown will be the main catalyst in this game IMO. If he doesn't play, I don't know that Bryant and Wheaton can carry the load enough to win them the game. If Brown is out, Denver would have to be heavy favorites.

slim
01-10-2016, 03:16 PM
Them getting Williams back doesn't frighten me so much. Denver's run defense is pretty damn good. Antonio Brown will be the main catalyst in this game IMO. If he doesn't play, I don't know that Bryant and Wheaton can carry the load enough to win them the game. If Brown is out, Denver would have to be heavy favorites.

Agree. If Brown is out, Pitt is going to need a few lucky bounces to stay in it.

chazoe60
01-10-2016, 03:20 PM
Their running backs gashed us because we were taking the passing game away. Your speedier linebacks should be better able to account for their style of play. Williams playing would be a boost to them, but he's not going to be right, either. Brown is out, Ben is hurt.

Not sure how Pittsburgh pulls it out. Especially on the road.

Is Brown out?

Poet
01-10-2016, 03:21 PM
If Brown is out you have two WR's who mostly eat off of deep passes. Roethlisberger isn't going to be able to complete many of those. Your body can only heal so much. If Williams plays he's still going to be recovering from a bum ankle. While their do appear to have some nice depth at RB, they gashed us because we sat back and took away the deep passing game. I'm willing to bet your boys won't have to be as conservative in that regard.

Pittsburgh's offense will show character and have a handful of nice plays. That's it.

underrated29
01-10-2016, 03:22 PM
Ben will probably play, Brown probably won't I don't think. He looked unconscious for a second there and I think he probably won't be cleared in time to practice. Might play, but I think it's unlikely.

If Ben does play we'll find out quickly how good that shoulder is because either Ware or Miller is going to hit him hard early.

There's been a lot of speculation about how the players feel about Peyton coming back. I think as long as he is playing well enough not to be a detriment the rest of the team is going to play out of their minds with the "win it for Peyton" motivation. I think Peyton himself understands his legacy will be whatever he does in these playoffs. He can finish a SB champ with a winning playoff record or be remembered as the greatest regular season guy ever.

I think we're about to see a better, more motivated, tougher Broncos team than we've seen all season.

The D will be ready to show how good they are against a team that embarrassed them.

Broncos win by 2 scores.



Yep, all that motivation you listed
Plus, the defense wants to be remembered as an all time great and that only happens if you win the SB.
Plus, the defense is pissed about the probowl and all pro snubs.
Plus, the defense is pissed about what happened the last time we played the steelers
Plus, manning is really pissed about the HGH.

As someone said before, we are about to flex some serious muscle!

Denver Native (Carol)
01-10-2016, 03:23 PM
According to the NFL Network’s Michael Silver, Roethlisberger has a separated shoulder, but he’ll try to play against the Broncos next week.

As you might remember, one of Andrew Luck’s many injuries was a separated shoulder. Sam Bradford also missed two weeks with one this season. Depending on the severity, Roethlisberger might have to sit out, especially since the injury is to his throwing arm.

We’ll update this post if more information becomes available today.

http://deadspin.com/report-ben-roethlisberger-has-a-separated-shoulder-bu-1752106871

slim
01-10-2016, 03:27 PM
http://deadspin.com/report-ben-roethlisberger-has-a-separated-shoulder-bu-1752106871

I can't believe he will be very effective with a separated shoulder.

SR
01-10-2016, 03:45 PM
http://deadspin.com/report-ben-roethlisberger-has-a-separated-shoulder-bu-1752106871

Having separated my right shoulder before, I have no idea how Big Ben came back in and threw the ball at all. Amazing. Hell of a tough dude.

VonDoom
01-10-2016, 03:52 PM
Ben will probably play, Brown probably won't I don't think. He looked unconscious for a second there and I think he probably won't be cleared in time to practice. Might play, but I think it's unlikely.

If Ben does play we'll find out quickly how good that shoulder is because either Ware or Miller is going to hit him hard early.

There's been a lot of speculation about how the players feel about Peyton coming back. I think as long as he is playing well enough not to be a detriment the rest of the team is going to play out of their minds with the "win it for Peyton" motivation. I think Peyton himself understands his legacy will be whatever he does in these playoffs. He can finish a SB champ with a winning playoff record or be remembered as the greatest regular season guy ever.

I think we're about to see a better, more motivated, tougher Broncos team than we've seen all season.

The D will be ready to show how good they are against a team that embarrassed them.

Broncos win by 2 scores.

I like most of this, except I doubt we win by two scores, since we almost never do. I'd love it, though. I don't know how I can wait a week for this game

MasterShake
01-10-2016, 11:43 PM
I can't believe he will be very effective with a separated shoulder.

Yeah even if he does play his range of motion will be limited on longer throws. Our defense will eat him alive and if he does play the first big QB hit or sack might sideline him. Any other week he would probably sit. Regardless when I think of our season this team has been live or die with our Defense and I think they are going to be focused and hungry. God I hope there aren't tons of terrible towels in the stands that day. If there are, then I hope the only purpose they serve is Steeler fans wiping their tears after their season ends. Mwhhahahahaha!

I'm really anxious for this game to kickoff, but I also want to savor this season a bit longer. Its crazy to think but I feel all the adversity they went through this year makes them really dangerous. I feel much better than I did this time last season when all the coaches had their foot out the door and refused to put Chris Harris on T.Y. Hilton. Everyone seems all in right now and I hope it carries them to where we want to be. This has been a memorable season in many ways, but I'm not ready for it to be a memory just yet.

tomjonesrocks
01-11-2016, 12:35 AM
Having separated my right shoulder before, I have no idea how Big Ben came back in and threw the ball at all. Amazing. Hell of a tough dude.

Some reports are calling the injury a "sprained AC joint" though I don't know how that's different.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
01-11-2016, 01:08 AM
Some reports are calling the injury a "sprained AC joint" though I don't know how that's different.

It's probably a similar difference to broken leg vs broken tibia.

tomjonesrocks
01-11-2016, 01:50 AM
It's probably a similar difference to broken leg vs broken tibia.

Eh, what I read was more insinuating it was a low-grade injury and Ben would be tip top to play.

We will find out. Ben is tough but he will let us know if he's playing hurt. Remember the playoff game where he wore different colored shoes to let everyone know he was playing with a bad ankle? He will probably do some subtle advertising.

Joel
01-11-2016, 01:55 AM
Eh, what I read was more insinuating it was a low-grade injury and Ben would be tip top to play.

We will find out. Ben is tough but he will let us know if he's playing hurt. Remember the playoff game where he wore different colored shoes to let everyone know he was playing with a bad ankle? He will probably do some subtle advertising.
Oh, color coded so defenders know which side to repeatedly slam nonstop for 3˝ hours; how helpfully considerate. :)

As a rule, I deplore rooting for any players injury, but am tempted to make exceptions for rapists, dog murderers and players who consider INFLICTING injuries "just part of the game." The Steelers are further helpful there by recruiting all three kinds of people. It's less a matter of malice than karmic justice: Live by the sword....

SR
01-11-2016, 06:10 AM
Some reports are calling the injury a "sprained AC joint" though I don't know how that's different.

I'be seen both but the separation seems to be the more frequently reported. The sprain seemed to be what was initially reported right after the game. Either way, Ben is a tough SOB.

SR
01-11-2016, 06:11 AM
Oh, color coded so defenders know which side to repeatedly slam nonstop for 3˝ hours; how helpfully considerate. :) As a rule, I deplore rooting for any players injury, but am tempted to make exceptions for rapists, dog murderers and players who consider INFLICTING injuries "just part of the game." The Steelers are further helpful there by recruiting all three kinds of people. It's less a matter of malice than karmic justice: Live by the sword....

Double standards are fun.

Davii
01-11-2016, 08:59 AM
Eh, what I read was more insinuating it was a low-grade injury and Ben would be tip top to play.

We will find out. Ben is tough but he will let us know if he's playing hurt. Remember the playoff game where he wore different colored shoes to let everyone know he was playing with a bad ankle? He will probably do some subtle advertising.

No matter, he will get dumped on that shoulder hard a few times and we will see how good that shoulder is.

Denver Native (Carol)
01-11-2016, 10:02 AM
Published on Jan 10, 2016

Brandon Marshall w/ Vic Lombardi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuvmfCYpy9M&feature=youtu.be

Denver Native (Carol)
01-11-2016, 11:28 AM
Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 2h

#Broncos much healthier than last time played #Steelers: http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_29368034/broncos-vs-steelers-rematch-not-same-matchup …

BigDaddyBronco
01-11-2016, 11:36 AM
How much you guys want to bet that Antonio Brown will be out there playing Sunday. My bet is that the concussion protocol goes away for big playoff matches.

We'll see, but he looked like he got knocked out Saturday.

BroncoWave
01-11-2016, 11:42 AM
How much you guys want to bet that Antonio Brown will be out there playing Sunday. My bet is that the concussion protocol goes away for big playoff matches.

We'll see, but he looked like he got knocked out Saturday.

It's already been reported that he's likely to play.

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2016/01/10/Steelers-Ben-Roethlisberger-s-shoulder-is-sore-after-sack-by-Bengals-Burfict/stories/201601100231

Slick
01-11-2016, 11:44 AM
How much you guys want to bet that Antonio Brown will be out there playing Sunday. My bet is that the concussion protocol goes away for big playoff matches.

We'll see, but he looked like he got knocked out Saturday.

He'll play. He embellished the hell out of that hit in my opinion.

tomjonesrocks
01-11-2016, 11:46 AM
How much you guys want to bet that Antonio Brown will be out there playing Sunday. My bet is that the concussion protocol goes away for big playoff matches. We'll see, but he looked like he got knocked out Saturday.

On the Fan they've already been reporting Brown is just peachy, ready to go, will play.

So either the much-reported severity of the hit is BS, or the concussion protocol is BS. Looked like the latter as the hit looked pretty legit in slo mo.

Brown will get his 100 yards and a TD.

BigDaddyBronco
01-11-2016, 11:53 AM
Well it will make it better when they have their entire team get beat up against us.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
01-11-2016, 11:55 AM
He'll play. He embellished the hell out of that hit in my opinion.
Embellished? He was knocked out.

Slick
01-11-2016, 12:00 PM
Embellished? He was knocked out.Jl-Y5bmBQzU


I see a guy whose helmet was grazed by Burfict's shoulder pad. Then he throws his arms up in the air and falls down.

He was laughing and joking with his team mates in the locker room afterwards.

GEM
01-11-2016, 12:07 PM
How much you guys want to bet that Antonio Brown will be out there playing Sunday. My bet is that the concussion protocol goes away for big playoff matches.

We'll see, but he looked like he got knocked out Saturday.

I'd guess he probably will be since this was him right after....

8247

SR
01-11-2016, 12:11 PM
He'll play. He embellished the hell out of that hit in my opinion.

I don't think so. He was out cold.

BroncoNut
01-11-2016, 12:42 PM
Anyone know why Vick was inactive last night? Surely, he is a better option than Landry? Landry looked like horse petucky.

I think he was out rescuing puppies

BroncoNut
01-11-2016, 12:44 PM
He'll play. He embellished the hell out of that hit in my opinion.

embellished my cornhole. he was out before he hit the ground. what the hell is wrong with you?

Mods- Permaban Slick now

BroncoNut
01-11-2016, 12:47 PM
Ben got a cheeseBerger and a full Dasani bottle thrown at him while getting carted off the field! WTF Bengals fans!? I'm glad you lost you class-less Sons a Beotches!!

https://vine.co/v/ihlmDi3wZUV

I took that as the Bengals being gracious hosts

tripp
01-11-2016, 12:56 PM
While I'd love an easy road to the AFC Championship, but not playing against a healthy Big Ben and Antonio Brown sucks. I don't want any excuses for the game on Sunday (although I know there will be regardless).


I'm not sure if you can compare the game against the Steelers in week 15 to this playoff game. Circumstances are different, environment is different, QB is different. I'm looking forward to this game. Just can't allow cheap completions to Brown in the 3rd and 4th quarter.

Denver Native (Carol)
01-11-2016, 12:57 PM
Cincinnati Bengals cornerback Adam Jones reiterated during an appearance on "The Dan Patrick Show" on Monday that he believed Pittsburgh Steelers receiver Antonio Brown was "faking" an injury late in Saturday night's AFC wild-card game at Paul Brown Stadium.

It was after being hit in the head by Bengals linebacker Vontaze Burfict following an incomplete pass that Brown was said to have had a concussion.

Jones didn't buy that. Jones, talking about the penalty he received for bumping an official after he exchanged words with Joey Porter, pointed out that the Steelers assistant coach was still on the field after Brown had walked off and "winked at us and everything."

"Antonio Brown was not hurt. I know he was faking it," Jones said on the show. "Go back and look at the play. If you go back and slow-motion play, you tell me that Vontaze hit him in the head or did his shoulder pads barely touch him?"

rest - http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14548113/adam-jones-cincinnati-bengals-says-antonio-brown-pittsburgh-steelers-was-faking-winked-him

Davii
01-11-2016, 01:23 PM
I'd guess he probably will be since this was him right after....

8247

Wow. While it doesn't excuse Burfict, that picture puts me more in the embellishment camp. I have been concussed, and there's no way that soon after he's all smiles and BS'ing with the coaches.

artie_dale
01-11-2016, 01:30 PM
We blasted them in the first half in Pitt, last time. Things are different since then. Peyton is back (hopefully healthier & he dissects defenses), Defense is healthier, Polumbus @ RT, both RH & CJ should be full health. Steelers = Big Ben & Antonio Brown are banged up, DeAngelo Williams is out, Defense hopefully weathered due to grind in Cinci.

If Antonio Brown plays, I hope we double team him most of the time (or at least make it look like it at times). We should shut down the run again, so it'll be up to Big Ben if he's in or whoever their 2nd string is, to beat us in the air. But, before all that happens, our offense needs to execute and give'em a reason to pass (play catch-up).

Joel
01-11-2016, 02:04 PM
Burficts hit on Brown injured him so severely the NFL's suspended Burfict for the start of 2016, but so mild Brown's skipping the concussion protocol to play Sunday.

Giovanni Bernard may have a few choice words about that—once he regains consciousness from Shaziers "legal" helmet-to-helmet on a defenseless receiver.

VonDoom
01-11-2016, 02:13 PM
Burficts hit on Brown injured him so severely the NFL's suspended Burfict for the start of 2016, but so mild Brown's skipping the concussion protocol to play Sunday.

Giovanni Bernard may have a few choice words about that—once he regains consciousness from Shaziers "legal" helmet-to-helmet on a defenseless receiver.

I assume Burfict will be suspended, but as far as I know, nothing has been announced yet. We shall see.

As for the other bit, Brown is in concussion protocol. I still think he plays, FWIW:

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 1h1 hour ago

As much as some might question it, Steelers WR Antonio Brown is in the concussion protocol, per source.

Denver Native (Carol)
01-11-2016, 02:15 PM
Jeff Legwold ESPN Staff Writer

At Broncos practice Monday cornerback Chris Harris Jr. and safety Darian Stewart were only players not on field for practice. Quarterback Brock Osweiler was in practice for first time since regular-season finale. Osweiler has been getting treatment for right knee injury, Stewart has a hamstring injury and Harris has a left shoulder injury.

Valar Morghulis
01-11-2016, 02:34 PM
If Antonio Brown plays, I hope we double team him most of the time (or at least make it look like it at times). We should shut down the run again, so it'll be up to Big Ben if he's in or whoever their 2nd string is, to beat us in the air.

The Steelers have the strong wide outs. I would not double team anyone, we could be torched by Wheaton or Bryant just as easy.

I hate to say it, but against them I would adopt a Jack del Rio style bend but don't break defense. Play slightly less aggressive in coverage but at the same time avoid Brown having a huge day on the stat sheet.

VonDoom
01-11-2016, 02:53 PM
The Steelers have the strong wide outs. I would not double team anyone, we could be torched by Wheaton or Bryant just as easy.

I hate to say it, but against them I would adopt a Jack del Rio style bend but don't break defense. Play slightly less aggressive in coverage but at the same time avoid Brown having a huge day on the stat sheet.

I think they have to do what they started to do in the second half of the Cincy game, which is switch to zone looks from time to time. I trust Harris, but he was roasted by Brown in that game. If we mix up our looks, it will give him help by default.

VonDoom
01-11-2016, 03:06 PM
Having both of our starting safeties back for this game will help a great deal as well.

Denver Native (Carol)
01-11-2016, 03:31 PM
How much you guys want to bet that Antonio Brown will be out there playing Sunday. My bet is that the concussion protocol goes away for big playoff matches.

We'll see, but he looked like he got knocked out Saturday.

Vic Lombardi ‏@VicLombardi 4h

I think the 3rd party is Joey Porter.

Vic Lombardi Retweeted Brian Kellogg
Brian Kellogg
‏@brianpkellogg

@VicLombardi I thought the concussion protocol was a 3rd party neurologist. Steelers and AB have no say right?

Timmy!
01-11-2016, 03:36 PM
The Steelers have the strong wide outs. I would not double team anyone, we could be torched by Wheaton or Bryant just as easy.

I hate to say it, but against them I would adopt a Jack del Rio style bend but don't break defense. Play slightly less aggressive in coverage but at the same time avoid Brown having a huge day on the stat sheet.

I'd be aggressive. I don't think Ben is going to be able to throw the ball down field much at all, if he even plays, and that's what they do. They don't run a lot of dink and dunk stuff like us.

VonDoom
01-11-2016, 03:37 PM
Wow, check out these quotes from Stewart about the Cody Wallace hit on Bruton in the last game:

Cameron Wolfe ‏@CameronWolfe 2m2 minutes ago

Darian Stewart on if there will be retribution on Cody Wallace's hit vs. David Bruton last time: "Yeah, 72 we know who he is. We got his #."

8248

Denver Native (Carol)
01-11-2016, 03:41 PM
Darren McKee ‏@dmac1043 32m

Actually - YES! Looks as mobile as I've ever seen. Ball looks as strong as I've seen him throw. You wouldn't know

Darren McKee Retweeted David Marquiss
David Marquiss
‏@FarAfieldDM

@dmac1043 Do you think PFM is at full strength?

Timmy!
01-11-2016, 03:41 PM
If memory serves Stewart had a couple big hits against the steelers in the playoffs last year.

GEM
01-11-2016, 03:45 PM
Darren McKee ‏@dmac1043 32m

Actually - YES! Looks as mobile as I've ever seen. Ball looks as strong as I've seen him throw. You wouldn't know

Darren McKee Retweeted David Marquiss
David Marquiss
‏@FarAfieldDM

@dmac1043 Do you think PFM is at full strength?

They say the same thing every preseason anymore...it just never pans out long term.

Timmy!
01-11-2016, 03:48 PM
They say the same thing every preseason anymore...it just never pans out long term.

He's not as good as he once was, but maybe he can be as good once (OK 3 times) as he ever was.

Davii
01-11-2016, 04:00 PM
They say the same thing every preseason anymore...it just never pans out long term.

Agreed, but maybe we can get it to pan out for three games. Peyton is cementing whatever his legacy will be in these playoffs. Three wins and he exits the game with a winning playoff record, a second ring, and the only starting QB to win a ring with two different teams. Lose and he'll exit the game with a losing playoff record and the "greatest regular season QB" title.

It's on. I hope.

Denver Native (Carol)
01-11-2016, 04:04 PM
If anyone has read or heard DMac, he has been more critical of Peyton than anyone, so to me this says something, coming from him.

VonDoom
01-11-2016, 04:14 PM
Agreed, but maybe we can get it to pan out for three games. Peyton is cementing whatever his legacy will be in these playoffs. Three wins and he exits the game with a winning playoff record, a second ring, and the only starting QB to win a ring with two different teams. Lose and he'll exit the game with a losing playoff record and the "greatest regular season QB" title.

It's on. I hope.

This is where I am on this. The grind of a 16 game season and then the playoffs has been a factor with an older Manning. He should be fresh this year, if nothing else. If he really is "healthy", I have hope.

slim
01-11-2016, 04:26 PM
*sighs

underrated29
01-11-2016, 04:44 PM
Wow, check out these quotes from Stewart about the Cody Wallace hit on Bruton in the last game:

Cameron Wolfe ‏@CameronWolfe 2m2 minutes ago

Darian Stewart on if there will be retribution on Cody Wallace's hit vs. David Bruton last time: "Yeah, 72 we know who he is. We got his #."

8248



This is (expletive) awesome!
Our defense is going to Win the Superbowl this year

Denver Native (Carol)
01-11-2016, 04:44 PM
Darren McKee ‏@dmac1043 3h

Kubiak says we are always talking about the things you can't do. No doubt video of the bengals was shown

Davii
01-11-2016, 04:45 PM
*sighs

Why the heavy breathing Slim?

Slick
01-11-2016, 04:56 PM
Why the heavy breathing Slim?

Slim has seen this movie before. He knows how it ends.

BronColt
01-11-2016, 04:58 PM
How much you guys want to bet that Antonio Brown will be out there playing Sunday. My bet is that the concussion protocol goes away for big playoff matches.

We'll see, but he looked like he got knocked out Saturday.

He didn't get knocked out...he got KNOCKED DA F*** OUT!!!!

GEM
01-11-2016, 04:59 PM
Agreed, but maybe we can get it to pan out for three games. Peyton is cementing whatever his legacy will be in these playoffs. Three wins and he exits the game with a winning playoff record, a second ring, and the only starting QB to win a ring with two different teams. Lose and he'll exit the game with a losing playoff record and the "greatest regular season QB" title.

It's on. I hope.

I hope so too....but I'm not about taking anything from the press on Manning's arm...as they have said it the past 2 years in preseason, only to play live and that arm isn't what it was. Of course it isn't, he's older...but don't blow smoke up my ass. His arm is what it is...his arm isn't what we are depending on to win this game...we're depending on his ability for quick release and breaking down a defense.

BroncoNut
01-11-2016, 05:11 PM
it's not really worth speculating on much. Just watch the game and see what happens

tripp
01-11-2016, 05:30 PM
This is (expletive) awesome!
Our defense is going to Win the Superbowl this year

Aside from Von Miller, Stewart has been my favorite defender on this team, and the best off-season acquisition by a country mile.

SR
01-11-2016, 05:30 PM
Aside from Von Miller, Stewart has been my favorite defender on this team, and the best off-season acquisition by a country mile.

Agreed. Great pickup.

Denver Native (Carol)
01-11-2016, 05:36 PM
Troy Renck Retweeted
Cameron Wolfe ‏@CameronWolfe 51m

#Broncos DE Malik Jackson on the Steelers: “They try to get under your skin... Conniving. They definitely know what they are doing.”

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
01-11-2016, 06:00 PM
I hope so too....but I'm not about taking anything from the press on Manning's arm...as they have said it the past 2 years in preseason, only to play live and that arm isn't what it was. Of course it isn't, he's older...but don't blow smoke up my ass. His arm is what it is...his arm isn't what we are depending on to win this game...we're depending on his ability for quick release and breaking down a defense.

Woah, at first I thought Carol wrote this. I had to do a double take at the avatar. :laugh:

GEM
01-11-2016, 06:01 PM
Woah, at first I thought Carol wrote this. I had to do a double take at the avatar. :laugh:

This literally made me laugh out loud. :D

Denver Native (Carol)
01-11-2016, 06:34 PM
At the Broncos' regular-season finale, fans waited for one man. That man waited 49 days for his moment of redemption. As the Broncos steered and veered toward the playoffs, quarterback Peyton Manning stood in the shadows, his injured left foot creating concern that he might not play again this season.

With the Broncos trailing 13-7, Manning entered as a reliever for the first time in his NFL career, rallying the Broncos to their fifth consecutive AFC West title and a No. 1 playoff seed. His return provided a Red Bull energy boost, and created some interesting looks.

Not counting kneel downs, Manning spent 10 snaps under center and 12 in shotgun formation. Such balance remained largely absent earlier this season with Manning. In the 39-year-old's last start on Nov. 15, he worked under center twice, and a penalty nullified one play. He operated in shotgun 28 times.

Manning provides a presence when he steps into the huddle. But entering the divisional playoff game against the Pittsburgh Steelers, he might also offer balance.

"That's how he played against San Diego. He can do both. There are no hold backs or anything we have to do. He's ready to go," Broncos coach Gary Kubiak said Monday. "He's working in everything we do."

rest - http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_29371177/manning-under-center-creates-balance-broncos-run-game

GEM
01-11-2016, 06:51 PM
****, ****, **** **** **** ****....Schofield is taking starter ******* snaps this week??? ****!

8252

GEM
01-11-2016, 06:56 PM
If he starts, we're ******. Plain and simple. That's the game before it even ******* starts!

BroncoWave
01-11-2016, 06:59 PM
That didn't say he was the starter. It said he got reps with the starters. Pretty sure Kubes said the other day that Polumbus will start there this week. But it probably doesn't hurt to give Schofield some reps in case Polumbus melts down as well.

GEM
01-11-2016, 07:10 PM
That didn't say he was the starter. It said he got reps with the starters. Pretty sure Kubes said the other day that Polumbus will start there this week. But it probably doesn't hurt to give Schofield some reps in case Polumbus melts down as well.

Usually the guy practicing with the 1's is the starter....I'll certainly hope he isn't, but it wouldn't surprise me a bit.

BroncoWave
01-11-2016, 07:13 PM
Usually the guy practicing with the 1's is the starter....I'll certainly hope he isn't, but it wouldn't surprise me a bit.

Troy Renck tweeted this the other day:

"Kubiak said likely that Polumbus stays at RT but both he and Schofield will be needed"

Sounds to me like he is trying to get them both ready and will go with whomever looks the best throughout the week.

Poet
01-11-2016, 07:14 PM
I honestly think GEM would Tonya Harding Schofield if she had the chance.

BroncoWave
01-11-2016, 07:16 PM
I honestly think GEM would Tonya Harding Schofield if she had the chance.

She might even dislike him more than I disliked Tony Carter! :lol:

Davii
01-11-2016, 07:19 PM
I honestly think GEM would Tonya Harding Schofield if she had the chance.

Wouldn't blame her.

SR
01-11-2016, 07:48 PM
****, ****, **** **** **** ****....Schofield is taking starter ******* snaps this week??? ****! <img src="http://www.broncosforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8252"/>

I'll cry.

BronColt
01-11-2016, 07:56 PM
I dont see Ben playing. His injury has to be a separated shoulder. Not a clavicle because he wouldnt have come back in.

Like Brian Griese against the Raiders years ago, they can take you in and give you shots when youre in the game like that to make the pain bearable, but once the swelling takes over after the game, he wont be able to play next week.

Thats my opinion with the caveat Ben isnt a regular dude...so we'll see.

Brown will be up in the air dependent on how bad his concussion is. If its mild..he may be able to play. If not, I doubt it.

That being said, I dont like games like this where the perception will be that we will beat them down.

BREAKING NEWS:: The Bengals are idiots.

The Broncos are preparing for Roethlisberger and Brown to start, Williams is doubtful.

The Defense is going to go after Roethlisbergers shoulder, Malik Jackson said he is going to "lean" on it. Lol.

Demarcus Ware returning to practice on Wednesday.

https://youtu.be/n8xEb0sNpEg

VonDoom
01-11-2016, 07:58 PM
In case anyone was curious, Burfict was suspended three games next year for "repeated violations of player safety rules". That's a huge suspension for on field conduct. I can't remember anything like that before.

BroncoNut
01-11-2016, 08:52 PM
Usually the guy practicing with the 1's is the starter....I'll certainly hope he isn't, but it wouldn't surprise me a bit.

oh so you know everything. ok then

BroncoNut
01-11-2016, 08:55 PM
The Broncos are preparing for Roethlisberger and Brown to start, Williams is doubtful.

https://youtu.be/n8xEb0sNpEg

Williams is doubtful that Roethlesberger and Brown will start, or is it doubtful that Mr. Williams will start?

GEM
01-11-2016, 09:16 PM
I honestly think GEM would Tonya Harding Schofield if she had the chance.

:laugh: He's earned it.

GEM
01-11-2016, 09:16 PM
oh so you know everything. ok then

Yea...that's what I said, nimrod.

BroncoNut
01-11-2016, 09:23 PM
In case anyone was curious, Burfict was suspended three games next year for "repeated violations of player safety rules". That's a huge suspension for on field conduct. I can't remember anything like that before.
nope, wasn't curious

Joel
01-11-2016, 09:48 PM
The Broncos are preparing for Roethlisberger and Brown to start, Williams is doubtful.

The Defense is going to go after Roethlisbergers shoulder, Malik Jackson said he is going to "lean" on it. Lol.

Demarcus Ware returning to practice on Wednesday.

https://youtu.be/n8xEb0sNpEg
Since someone mentioned Burficts suspension here: That's not an "lol." The goal isn't (or shouldn't be) "head injuries bad, other injuries good." Accidental injuries—ANYWHERE—are bad, so should be prevented when avoidable, but not punished when unavoidable. DELIBERATE injuries—ANYWHERE—are ALWAYS avoidable, so should ALWAYS be harshly punished. The NFLs idea of "player safety" seems to be "sweep the leg:" I think the league office learned the wrong lesson from that film....

This (http://www.broncosforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8248&d=1452544673) is actually a good case in point: I understand it's the Steelers, whom the NFL's let play dirty-but-legal for DECADES, so that changes things; I don't go around randomly shooting people, but if someone takes a shot at ME, I won't merely call the cops while reminding him murder's wrong, I'll kill him before he kills me and live for a jury to decide whether it was justified. That said, proportionate response probably won't end any better for our D than for ANYONE Pitt's EVER played.

But hey: As long as we retaliate by inflicting LEGAL injuries, it's all good(ell,) right?

Joel
01-11-2016, 10:04 PM
rest - http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_29371177/manning-under-center-creates-balance-broncos-run-game
The question's not whether we can run with Manning under center and pass with Manning in shotgun, but the reverse: If we ALWAYS run when Manning's under center and ALWAYS pass when he's not, the Ds job is half done. Same reason I don't like "third down RBs." However, IF (and it seems like a big "if" right now) our protection's good enough Manning can pass from under center, we're no longer telegraphing play calls nor forcing our RBs to run twice as far just to reach the line.

It's all about being unpredictable, so the offense doesn't cede the D its main advantage: Having the initiative, and knowing its own plans better than opponents do.


****, ****, **** **** **** ****....Schofield is taking starter ******* snaps this week??? ****!

8252
Sounds like they're BOTH taking starter snaps, but everything else out of Broncos practice says Polumbus is getting the lions share. Be prepared, and all that.

ShaneFalco
01-12-2016, 12:44 AM
tickets selling for 5gs lol.

I guarantee there will be yellow in stands.

ShaneFalco
01-12-2016, 06:10 AM
:laugh: He's earned it.

http://www.milehighreport.com/2016/1/11/10750936/michael-schofield-gets-reps-with-the-broncos-starters

Dapper Dan
01-12-2016, 06:50 AM
http://www.milehighreport.com/2016/1/11/10750936/michael-schofield-gets-reps-with-the-broncos-starters

Is this person a serious journalist or are they a simple blogger?

ShaneFalco
01-12-2016, 07:05 AM
Is this person a serious journalist or are they a simple blogger?

https://twitter.com/IanStClair

SR
01-12-2016, 07:10 AM
tickets selling for 5gs lol. I guarantee there will be yellow in stands.

Tickets selling for up to $12K

Dapper Dan
01-12-2016, 07:39 AM
Are we still talking about the Broncos/Steelers game? You can still get them for around 200.

SR
01-12-2016, 08:34 AM
Are we still talking about the Broncos/Steelers game? You can still get them for around 200.

The Post was saying anywhere from $170 to $11K and change

Dapper Dan
01-12-2016, 08:44 AM
The Post was saying anywhere from $170 to $11K and change

Im assuming the upper price would be sellers trying to take advantage of people. It still blows my mind that tickets on the low end are still where they are, but they were more expensive for many regular season games.

Davii
01-12-2016, 09:31 AM
tickets selling for 5gs lol.

I guarantee there will be yellow in stands.

That's ridiculous. I really wish the teams could/would figure out a way to stop the secondary market. The tickets shouldn't be selling for that much, it's absolutely ridiculous IMO.

Dapper Dan
01-12-2016, 09:36 AM
That's ridiculous. I really wish the teams could/would figure out a way to stop the secondary market. The tickets shouldn't be selling for that much, it's absolutely ridiculous IMO.

I totally agree. I've never been quick enough to get tickets when they first come out. So I'm always stuck overpaying on stubhub. It's almost always at least double face value.

Of course, this helps the NFL sell out stadiums, so they don't care.

Davii
01-12-2016, 09:39 AM
I totally agree. I've never been quick enough to get tickets when they first come out. So I'm always stuck overpaying on stubhub. It's almost always at least double face value.

Of course, this helps the NFL sell out stadiums, so they don't care.

I think the stadium would sell out even easier if the tickets were sold at face value, or even a 25% markup on the secondary market, etc.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
01-12-2016, 09:41 AM
The 5k tickets have to be luxury boxes.

Davii
01-12-2016, 09:44 AM
The 5k tickets have to be luxury boxes.

How much does a 20 seater luxury box go for? We could get one some time and split it up 20 ways. It would be more expensive than regular seats I'm sure but I think it would be bad ass.

ShaneFalco
01-12-2016, 09:48 AM
The 5k tickets have to be luxury boxes.

nope

ShaneFalco
01-12-2016, 09:49 AM
i just checked cuz i wanted to go. But way too much

Dapper Dan
01-12-2016, 09:54 AM
i just checked cuz i wanted to go. But way too much

When we went to the Vikings/Broncos game it was about 225 a ticket after fees to sit like 20 rows from the top.

BroncoWave
01-12-2016, 10:09 AM
That's ridiculous. I really wish the teams could/would figure out a way to stop the secondary market. The tickets shouldn't be selling for that much, it's absolutely ridiculous IMO.

How do you stop it though? If someone buys a ticket and wants to resell it for more, that is their right. The market will dictate what those secondary market prices are.

Davii
01-12-2016, 10:14 AM
How do you stop it though? If someone buys a ticket and wants to resell it for more, that is their right. The market will dictate what those secondary market prices are.

There is a way I'm sure. And it's not necessarily your right to sell access to my building (my as in I'm Pat Bowlen). How they stop it, I don't know, but they could put in the contract you sign upon purchase that reassignment is not allowed without approval or something. Check ID, something. The technology is out there to at least mitigate the issue if not stop it entirely.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
01-12-2016, 10:15 AM
How much does a 20 seater luxury box go for? We could get one some time and split it up 20 ways. It would be more expensive than regular seats I'm sure but I think it would be bad ass.
That would be awesome

Davii
01-12-2016, 10:16 AM
That would be awesome

That's two. Who else is in on this next season?

Denver Native (Carol)
01-12-2016, 10:37 AM
I think the stadium would sell out even easier if the tickets were sold at face value, or even a 25% markup on the secondary market, etc.

There were only a handful of tickets remaining, which season ticket holders did not buy, and they were sold in 15 minutes. There are people who are just wanting to make $$$$ on their tickets.

Also, for those concerned about who the head referee will be


Steelers at Broncos, 4:40 p.m. (CBS)

Terry McAulay is the referee, who is in his 18th year and 15th as referee. This is McAulay’s 16th postseason assignment, including 2 Wild Card Playoffs, 4 Divisional Playoffs, 7 Conference Championships, and Super Bowls XXXIX, XLIII, and XLVIII. His Super Bowl assignments were all as a referee.

http://www.footballzebras.com/2016/01/11/divisional-referees-2015/

ShaneFalco
01-12-2016, 10:44 AM
That's two. Who else is in on this next season?

count me in

Denver Native (Carol)
01-12-2016, 11:07 AM
There is a way I'm sure. And it's not necessarily your right to sell access to my building (my as in I'm Pat Bowlen). How they stop it, I don't know, but they could put in the contract you sign upon purchase that reassignment is not allowed without approval or something. Check ID, something. The technology is out there to at least mitigate the issue if not stop it entirely.

All tickets now are in digital form. From the email I received yesterday from the Broncos -


You may print your tickets, transfer them to a friend or family member, or if you are unable to make the game, post them for resale. As a reminder, you will not receive printed tickets in the mail.

Davii
01-12-2016, 11:15 AM
All tickets now are in digital form. From the email I received yesterday from the Broncos -

I get it, I understand how the system works right now. I think the system should change. It is, in my opinion, unfair to allow these ticket brokers to buy up a ton of tickets and then resell them at exorbitant costs. It impacts the average fan's ability to attend a game when the seat prices are so high. I have as much dislike for ticket brokers as I do payday loan companies.

Davii
01-12-2016, 11:25 AM
That would be awesome

I just checked, probably a little too much for me. A 29 person box (granted food and wait staff is included, parking, special VIP entrance, etc as well) for $23,000 or just over 800$ per person. That's a lot.

Denver Native (Carol)
01-12-2016, 11:27 AM
I get it, I understand how the system works right now. I think the system should change. It is, in my opinion, unfair to allow these ticket brokers to buy up a ton of tickets and then resell them at exorbitant costs. It impacts the average fan's ability to attend a game when the seat prices are so high. I have as much dislike for ticket brokers as I do payday loan companies.

I don't like it either, as I am sure there will be many terrible towels in the stadium, but with the Broncos stating that if you are unable to go, you can pass them to a family member or friend, or you can put them up for resale, that leaves it wide open as to who they are sold to. I am not sure if it would work now passing them onto a broker, if there is only one transaction allowed per ticket, which would mean two transactions if they went to a broker, and then to someone else.

Yesterday Kubes said he hopes that people will not be selling their tickets to Pittsburgh fans.

Valar Morghulis
01-12-2016, 11:36 AM
How much does a 20 seater luxury box go for? We could get one some time and split it up 20 ways. It would be more expensive than regular seats I'm sure but I think it would be bad ass.

For the tailgate 2017.....

Valar Morghulis
01-12-2016, 11:37 AM
There is a way I'm sure. And it's not necessarily your right to sell access to my building (my as in I'm Pat Bowlen). How they stop it, I don't know, but they could put in the contract you sign upon purchase that reassignment is not allowed without approval or something. Check ID, something. The technology is out there to at least mitigate the issue if not stop it entirely.

At some UK festivals they have your details and photo on the tickets now

Joel
01-12-2016, 12:02 PM
How do you stop it though? If someone buys a ticket and wants to resell it for more, that is their right. The market will dictate what those secondary market prices are.
I thought that was considered scalping and so not only NOT a "right," but ILLEGAL pretty much everywhere. Selling them for face value's one thing, but middlemen charging a premium's supposed to be illegal, because buying up all the tickets the moment they go on sale, then charging hugely inflated prices for them, infringes everyone ELSES right to attend an event without paying a kings ransom to do so.

Are online sales different or something? Maybe because it's interstate, so only subject to federal law? Yea for deregulation? :confused:

BroncoWave
01-12-2016, 12:11 PM
It's obviously not illegal or stubhub couldn't exist.

BigDaddyBronco
01-12-2016, 12:11 PM
How much does a 20 seater luxury box go for? We could get one some time and split it up 20 ways. It would be more expensive than regular seats I'm sure but I think it would be bad ass.

I looked into it once. It was like $20,000 - $25,000.

Denver Native (Carol)
01-12-2016, 12:27 PM
Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger confirmed during his weekly radio show Tuesday that he has a sprained AC joint and torn ligaments in his throwing shoulder.

Roethlisberger told 93.7 The Fan in Pittsburgh that his right shoulder is "definitely sore" but maintained that his status is still day-to-day as the Steelers prepare for Sunday's AFC divisional round game against the Broncos in Denver.

Multiple sources told ESPN on Monday that Roethlisberger is likely to play against Denver. The three-time Pro Bowler said Tuesday that he would "do whatever I can to be out there, but not at the expense of my team."

rest - http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14555014/ben-roethlisberger-pittsburgh-steeler

MasterShake
01-12-2016, 12:57 PM
rest - http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14555014/ben-roethlisberger-pittsburgh-steeler

Whenever people tell me that it doesn't matter if you get a 1 or 2 seed I think about things like this. There were so many injuries coming out of that wild card round, teams really beat the crap out of each other.

I imagine Big Ben will be a gametime decision at this point. Like the article states he needs to decide if going in at 40-60% is still better than a healthy backup. I still don't see how he will play but it is a huge game.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
01-12-2016, 01:30 PM
I just checked, probably a little too much for me. A 29 person box (granted food and wait staff is included, parking, special VIP entrance, etc as well) for $23,000 or just over 800$ per person. That's a lot.

Scratch that

Joel
01-12-2016, 01:33 PM
It's obviously not illegal or stubhub couldn't exist.
Most of the scalping laws I know of are city or similarly local ordinances, which aren't much of a barrier to interstate sale (especially online.)

Joel
01-12-2016, 01:40 PM
Whenever people tell me that it doesn't matter if you get a 1 or 2 seed I think about things like this. There were so many injuries coming out of that wild card round, teams really beat the crap out of each other.

I imagine Big Ben will be a gametime decision at this point. Like the article states he needs to decide if going in at 40-60% is still better than a healthy backup. I still don't see how he will play but it is a huge game.
Depends on what they mean, I guess: Whether a team has homefield or "just" a bye AND homefield against everyone BUT the #1 seed (whom they won't face till the CCG anyway) may not matter, but the bye itself obviously matters a lot; everyone's playing hurt by December.

Since I didn't expect NE* to collapse in its last two games, that was the big reason I wanted to beat Cincy, but knew they needed a week off just as badly. The fact they'd clinched a playoff spot but we hadn't seemed small by comparison, because BOTH of us were likely to be one-and-done DESPITE a home game unless we got that week to rest and heal. Dalton was due back next week, just as Arizona expected Palmer back by the divisional round last year, but....

There but for the grace of OT go we: We were already missing several key starters before kickoff against SD, and lost several more before the final gun. Further, if we don't have a shot at getting this week off so Manning can heal a bit more, does Kubiak still make the switch, or ride with Oz (who's ALSO hurt) and pray?

Homefield's not trivial, but that bye is potentially huge. I say, "potentially," because one week's often insufficient, but sometimes it makes ALL the difference.

Davii
01-12-2016, 01:42 PM
Scratch that

Maybe we could get a wealthy benefactor to help defray the cost and make it more reasonable. Someone like NTL, Vetteplus, or Slick. Those guys are loaded. :lol:

Denver Native (Carol)
01-12-2016, 02:17 PM
Maybe we could get a wealthy benefactor to help defray the cost and make it more reasonable. Someone like NTL, Vetteplus, or Slick. Those guys are loaded. :lol:

Or - win the Powerball

Davii
01-12-2016, 02:29 PM
Or - win the Powerball

It certainly isn't for lack of trying!

artie_dale
01-13-2016, 02:49 PM
The Steelers have the strong wide outs. I would not double team anyone, we could be torched by Wheaton or Bryant just as easy.

I hate to say it, but against them I would adopt a Jack del Rio style bend but don't break defense. Play slightly less aggressive in coverage but at the same time avoid Brown having a huge day on the stat sheet.

If CHJ & an LB or S double Antonio (over/under), I'm fully confident in Talib's & Roby's ability to cover the rest one on one. That was my thought process.

Nomad
01-13-2016, 03:54 PM
Or - win the Powerball


It certainly isn't for lack of trying!

Well damn.....a person can't buy a powerball ticket in Alaska.

BroncoNut
01-13-2016, 03:59 PM
I bought a powerball ticket at a 7-11 last night after work, but I'm not going to say in what city just in case. it was in Maryland though

Valar Morghulis
01-13-2016, 04:02 PM
I bought a powerball ticket at a 7-11 last night after work, but I'm not going to say in what city just in case. it was in Maryland though

if you win are we going to run off together into the sunset?

BroncoNut
01-13-2016, 04:50 PM
if you win are we going to run off together into the sunset?

not sure how you blokes do it in the UK, but here we don't run off, we ride. and hell yes we will

Valar Morghulis
01-13-2016, 04:53 PM
not sure how you blokes do it in the UK, but here we don't run off, we ride. and hell yes we will

Let's ride

NightTerror218
01-13-2016, 05:07 PM
If CHJ & an LB or S double Antonio (over/under), I'm fully confident in Talib's & Roby's ability to cover the rest one on one. That was my thought process.

Not if pass rush can get there. Ben likes to look deep. Can him get it out quick. We have the speed to list to a few yards a pass then.

Joel
01-13-2016, 10:22 PM
Not if pass rush can get there. Ben likes to look deep. Can him get it out quick. We have the speed to list to a few yards a pass then.
The Steelers rebuilt a pretty good line after letting it deteriorate quickly reduced them from title contenders to losers (hmm, what's the moral there...?) After all, Cincy has a pretty good pass rush, but they kept the rapists jersey pretty clean until Pitts dirty hit-n-scoop on Bernard set off the whole team. I just hope Ware can play the whole game, because when he doesn't our pass rush tends to pile most of its league-leading sacks only AFTER we've already won/lost.

Anyway, sure Ben likes to go deep: Why throw short when RBs pick up the same yardage more safely and reliably? With half-way decent protection, throwing short of the sticks is a sucker bet, but flipping the field in ONE play can be a game-changer, and even if it's picked it's no worse than a punt (e.g. what did Sanders' fumbled reception cost us? Bearing in mind that the play started on our side of the field.) But if Ben's physically INCAPABLE of throwing deep, none of that matters.

All I know is that if we can't beat the NFLs 3rd worst secondary, a QB with a separated throwing shoulder and a WR corps whose only real threat was just concussed so badly he shouldn't legally PLAY, I'd rather know now. Better than struggling through a win in that game and against a decimated Cheatriots squad at home, just a dual threat QB and his defensive juggernaut can annihilate us by 5 TDs and broadcast it GLOBALLY.

Having people in other COUNTRIES ask if it was safe to be around me wasn't fun; let's not do that again.

Ravage!!!
01-14-2016, 11:37 AM
Most of the scalping laws I know of are city or similarly local ordinances, which aren't much of a barrier to interstate sale (especially online.)

This completely depends on your state and/or venue.

Meaning, some venues obviously don't want you selling tickets outside their stadium, thus will run people off.

Some states have made it illegal to sell tickets (outside a venue) for more than face value. However, if you supposedly 'offered' more than face value of the ticket, then it's legal. I've even seen where the scalpers outside a venue won't actually sell you a ticket, but will sell you the pencil for $100 and with the purchase of that pencil, you get a ticket.

But on the internet you don't really have to abide by state law that you are selling from, but the buyer has to abide by their state law (but who's checking if I sell it on ebay?). Which is why when you buy some products via the internet, you will see that that particular product can't be bought in certain states.

Other states allow the scalping of tickets at any price.

So yes, it very well could be illegal to sell tickets outside the stadium while STub Hub would still be within the law.

tripp
01-14-2016, 12:02 PM
Speaking of money..

Broncos were favored by 6.5 earlier in the week, now my betting website has the lines closed. Must be some recent update on Antonio Brown/DeAngelo Williams, can't think of any other reason why it's OTB.

BroncoWave
01-14-2016, 12:11 PM
Speaking of money..

Broncos were favored by 6.5 earlier in the week, now my betting website has the lines closed. Must be some recent update on Antonio Brown/DeAngelo Williams, can't think of any other reason why it's OTB.

Think it probably has more to do with Big Ben's uncertain status. QB is the only position that will cause a sports book to take down the line. No other position matters enough.

tripp
01-14-2016, 12:52 PM
Think it probably has more to do with Big Ben's uncertain status. QB is the only position that will cause a sports book to take down the line. No other position matters enough.

I got this response back from Incarcerated Bob on twitter.


Brad ‏@bradtripp26 6m6 minutes ago
@incarceratedbob how is the denver-pitt game still not open for betting sites? bet365 and SI still don't have it open


Incarcerated Bob IBN ‏@incarceratedbob 3m3 minutes ago
@bradtripp26 Brown's injury

BroncoWave
01-14-2016, 01:46 PM
That's bizarre. I've never seen a line taken down due to a non QB.

VonDoom
01-14-2016, 01:51 PM
That's bizarre. I've never seen a line taken down due to a non QB.

Does Incarcerated Bob really know anything?

Cugel
01-14-2016, 02:22 PM
Depends on what they mean, I guess: Whether a team has homefield or "just" a bye AND homefield against everyone BUT the #1 seed (whom they won't face till the CCG anyway) may not matter, but the bye itself obviously matters a lot; everyone's playing hurt by December.

Since I didn't expect NE* to collapse in its last two games, that was the big reason I wanted to beat Cincy, but knew they needed a week off just as badly. The fact they'd clinched a playoff spot but we hadn't seemed small by comparison, because BOTH of us were likely to be one-and-done DESPITE a home game unless we got that week to rest and heal. Dalton was due back next week, just as Arizona expected Palmer back by the divisional round last year, but....

There but for the grace of OT go we: We were already missing several key starters before kickoff against SD, and lost several more before the final gun. Further, if we don't have a shot at getting this week off so Manning can heal a bit more, does Kubiak still make the switch, or ride with Oz (who's ALSO hurt) and pray?

Homefield's not trivial, but that bye is potentially huge. I say, "potentially," because one week's often insufficient, but sometimes it makes ALL the difference.

Having a bye week to get the OL potentially more healthy is probably the biggest asset. We'll see how well they do against Pittsburgh, but they need to play a lot better in the playoffs than they have at any point this season - outside of the Packers game coming off the bye week.

It might not be the most important factor, but notice that 3 of the last 5 SB winners were 10-6, 9-7 and 10-6, and the #6, #4 and #6 seed respectively.

So you can't say that home field advantage is decisive. The Ravens went on the road to beat both the #1 and #2 seeds for instance.

Is it easier with the bye? Well, that depends on whether the team loses its edge due to inactivity like the 2007 Rockies in the World Series, or whether they come out fired up.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
01-14-2016, 02:34 PM
I got this response back from Incarcerated Bob on twitter.


Brad ‏@bradtripp26 6m6 minutes ago
@incarceratedbob how is the denver-pitt game still not open for betting sites? bet365 and SI still don't have it open


Incarcerated Bob IBN ‏@incarceratedbob 3m3 minutes ago
@bradtripp26 Brown's injury

May I call you Bradley?

NightTrainLayne
01-14-2016, 04:09 PM
Speaking of money..

Broncos were favored by 6.5 earlier in the week, now my betting website has the lines closed. Must be some recent update on Antonio Brown/DeAngelo Williams, can't think of any other reason why it's OTB.

I thought I saw something with Denver -2.5, but I don't gamble on games, and what I saw would not have been official.

tripp
01-14-2016, 04:35 PM
Does Incarcerated Bob really know anything?

I'll give him total credit for calling that Peyton was going to Denver long before anyone else announced it.

tripp
01-14-2016, 04:35 PM
May I call you Bradley?

Yes sir.

spikerman
01-14-2016, 05:57 PM
If any Broncos fan is interested in two tickets to this game PM me.

BroncoWave
01-14-2016, 05:58 PM
Looking less and less likely that Brown plays. He didn't practice today and still hasn't passed the first stage of the concussion protocol. Pacman Jones is looking dumber and dumber right now.

Buff
01-14-2016, 06:18 PM
Looking less and less likely that Brown plays. He didn't practice today and still hasn't passed the first stage of the concussion protocol. Pacman Jones is looking dumber and dumber right now.

I would bet $$ that Brown plays. At the end of the day it'll be his decision and he will play.

BroncoWave
01-14-2016, 06:27 PM
I would bet $$ that Brown plays. At the end of the day it'll be his decision and he will play.

If he doesn't pass the concussion protocol it's not his decision.

BroncoWave
01-14-2016, 06:30 PM
http://pit.247sports.com/Bolt/Steelers-WR-Antonio-Brown-continues-to-feel-concussion-symptoms-42825486

Some relevant points from this article:


Things continue to look bleak for Antonio Brown, who is still feeling the effects of his head injury sustained in Saturday's wild card win.

According to ESPN's Jeremy Fowler, Brown recently told a teammate that he is still suffering from "concussion symptoms," three days before Pittsburgh's divisional round playoff game against the Broncos. But despite still feeling the effects of Vontaze Burfict's dirty hit, Brown remains hopeful that he will feel better in time for Sunday's game.


Regardless of how well Brown feels by game day, he must pass his tests that he is required to take under the NFL's concussion protocol. Brown could feel better by game day, but if he doesn't pass those tests, he can't play, as the league has taken away a players' right to decide his availability to play while under the concussion protocol.

Disclaimer, don't watch the Doug Gottlieb video in this article if you would like to avoid losing some brain cells.

Ravage!!!
01-14-2016, 07:25 PM
Pacman Jones is looking dumber and dumber right now.

I'm not sure that's even possible.

BroncoWave
01-14-2016, 07:26 PM
I'm not sure that's even possible.

Fair point. That boy is lucky he's a good athlete.

Poet
01-14-2016, 07:31 PM
It takes a lot of brains to orchestrate a strip club shooting where you clearly order your goons to shoot several people, craft a story that befuddled the police investigation, and was strong enough to limit his liability in the civil lawsuit.

#thebestdefenseIhave
#hadtotry
#heisnotsmart

SR
01-14-2016, 07:33 PM
I don't know what the concussion protocol and testing entails so forgive me, in advance, for my ignorance.

Can Brown lie about the "symptoms" to get through protocol to play? Or are these tests neurological tests with equipment and whatnot?

LawDog
01-14-2016, 07:39 PM
I don't know what the concussion protocol and testing entails so forgive me, in advance, for my ignorance.

Can Brown lie about the "symptoms" to get through protocol to play? Or are these tests neurological tests with equipment and whatnot?

Return-to-Participation Process

After a concussion has occurred in practice or play, the concussed player must be examined and monitored in the training room on a daily basis or as decided by the medical staff. Components of the NFL Sideline Concussion Assessment can be utilized to check for symptoms as well as continue to monitor the other aspects of the examination. The following measures must occur in order for a

player to return to play:

a. A player returns to baseline status of symptoms and neurologic exam, including cognitive and balance functions.

i. Repeat neuropsychological evaluation is performed before return to practice or play with interpretation of the data by the team neuropsychology consultant. The team neuropsychology consultant reports the findings back to the team physician.

b. A graduated exercise challenge, followed by a gradual return to practice and play, is initiated when the player returns to baseline status. The RTP protocol following a concussion follows a stepwise process to be outlined in the NFL Head, Neck and Spine Committee’s Return to Participation Protocol.

c. Prior to return to practice or play, not only must the team physician clear the player, but the Independent Neurological Consultant with expertise in concussion must also evaluate and clear the player for return to practice and play.

d. A player may be considered for return to practice and play only after the player has returned to baseline status with rest and exertion, has repeat neuropsychological testing which is interpreted by the team neuropsychology consultant as back to baseline levels of functioning, and has completed the Return to Participation Protocol referenced above and is cleared by the Team Physician and the Independent Neurological Consultant.

Note: this does not give specific times for each step to be completed prior to practice or playing. So, I don't know if he can complete the protocol and be cleared to play on the day of.

BroncoWave
01-14-2016, 07:39 PM
I don't know what the concussion protocol and testing entails so forgive me, in advance, for my ignorance.

Can Brown lie about the "symptoms" to get through protocol to play? Or are these tests neurological tests with equipment and whatnot?

From my best understanding, a highly trained neurologist can tell if someone really has the symptoms and if they are trying to fake their way through the test. This is the field my girlfriend has a Masters degree in an plans to become a doctor in though, so I will ask her when she gets home. She'd probably know better than I.

SR
01-14-2016, 07:40 PM
Thanks for that. So he can't lie.

BroncoWave
01-14-2016, 07:43 PM
Thanks for that. So he can't lie.

In the article I posted a few posts back in here Brown is quoted today as saying he is still feeling the concussion symptoms. So he seems to be being pretty honest about it. Honestly, you would just have to be about as big of an idiot meathead as possible in this day to try to fake your way through concussion tests given all that we are seeing happens to these ex-players as they get older. It's just not worth it to try to play through that. Especially if you are an established star like Brown.

NightTerror218
01-14-2016, 07:50 PM
Welker took more then a week last season to pass his protocol. He has had more hits to head prob why he was out like 3 weeks.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
01-14-2016, 07:52 PM
In the article I posted a few posts back in here Brown is quoted today as saying he is still feeling the concussion symptoms. So he seems to be being pretty honest about it. Honestly, you would just have to be about as big of an idiot meathead as possible in this day to try to fake your way through concussion tests given all that we are seeing happens to these ex-players as they get older. It's just not worth it to try to play through that. Especially if you are an established star like Brown.

If he's still feeling the effects he won't be playing. I don't know exactly how their protocol works, but I would assume he has to be symptom free for at least 48 hours before he can even start light impact exercise

TXBRONC
01-14-2016, 07:59 PM
If he's still feeling the effects he won't be playing. I don't know exactly how their protocol works, but I would assume he has to be symptom free for at least 48 hours before he can even start light impact exercise

Even if he plays is Roethlisberger isn't going to be able get the ball to him deep down the field?

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
01-14-2016, 08:03 PM
Even if he plays is Roethlisberger going to be able get the ball to him deep down the field?

No, Denver needs to play press man with Ward crowding the box and dropping the hammer on the crossing routes....book it. :D

BroncoWave
01-14-2016, 08:07 PM
So I just asked my girlfriend and she said there is no way you could fake your way through concussion testing. The neurological symptoms are something you can't just hide. She said if you can fake your way through it, then you don't actually have a concussion.

TXBRONC
01-14-2016, 08:28 PM
No, Denver needs to play press man with Ward crowding the box and dropping the hammer on the crossing routes....book it. :D

Sorry, I meant that even if Brown plays I don't know if Roethlisberger is going to be able to get him the ball deep.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
01-14-2016, 08:47 PM
Sorry, I meant that even if Brown plays I don't know if Roethlisberger is going to be able to get him the ball deep.

I was agreeing with you. That's why I was suggesting Denver should crowd the short area of the field

GEM
01-15-2016, 09:37 AM
Brown ruled out by Steelers.

Dzone
01-15-2016, 09:40 AM
Brown ruled out by Steelers.

Game over!

slim
01-15-2016, 09:41 AM
Wow...huge loss for the squealers

Northman
01-15-2016, 09:47 AM
Big loss but they still have Bryant. The bigger question is how well Ben will play.

MNPatsFan
01-15-2016, 10:00 AM
Game over!Sure would expect so. Not really sure how the Steelers could beat the Broncos with no AB and a limited Ben. Steelers run game was nonexistent in last game vs Broncos D so likely will be up to Ben and pass game to try to win the game. HUGE advantage for Broncos!!

NightTerror218
01-15-2016, 10:02 AM
Sure would expect so. Not really sure how the Steelers could beat the Broncos with no AB and a limited Ben. Steelers run game was nonexistent in last game vs Broncos D so likely will be up to Ben and pass game to try to win the game. HUGE advantage for Broncos!!

As long as we can control the ball and put some points up we should win.

VonDoom
01-15-2016, 10:16 AM
They still have to go out and play their game, though. Having these injuries might lull them into a false sense of security. They have to not fall into that trap. And let's face it, we've played the level of our competition, good or bad, for the whole season. This game will be close in the fourth quarter, like most of our games.

Northman
01-15-2016, 10:48 AM
They still have to go out and play their game, though. Having these injuries might lull them into a false sense of security. They have to not fall into that trap. And let's face it, we've played the level of our competition, good or bad, for the whole season. This game will be close in the fourth quarter, like most of our games.

Thats what im kind of worried about. Its like the feeling of the Colts game all over again. Bronco Nation is sounding just a tad to bit confident for me at the moment. On paper we should roll easily but we've seen this before throughout the year.

Buff
01-15-2016, 10:54 AM
We couldn't have really asked for a better scenario going into the divisional round - Future HOF QB is hurt, MVP WR is out, their weakness is defending the pass, which we need for our QB with a bum arm, weather forecast above freezing.

Frankly, if we can't get out of this round, then every criticism you've ever heard about Manning in the playoffs, and this team being soft, etc. will ring true.

HORSEPOWER 56
01-15-2016, 10:56 AM
Brown was a non factor vs Seattle this year and they still scored over 30 points. Ben just went elsewhere with the ball. Wheaton, Bryant, and Miller are all legit targets. The biggest factor is Ben's health. Just like us, the QB play is key in this game.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
01-15-2016, 10:57 AM
Brown was a non factor vs Seattle this year and they still scored over 30 points. Ben just went elsewhere with the ball. Wheaton, Bryant, and Miller are all legit targets. The biggest factor is Ben's health. Just like us, the QB play is key in this game.

Ben won't be able to drive the ball. I think we need to crowd the box and make him throw deep and outside the #'s.

Buff
01-15-2016, 11:01 AM
Brown was a non factor vs Seattle this year and they still scored over 30 points. Ben just went elsewhere with the ball. Wheaton, Bryant, and Miller are all legit targets. The biggest factor is Ben's health. Just like us, the QB play is key in this game.

In fairness, that was partially because Brown was occupying Richard Sherman all day, so they neutralized one another. You are correct that they have a capable WR corps, but Bryant is a MVP caliber WR, and you can't really overstate what an impact it will have on them to lose him.

BroncoNut
01-15-2016, 11:02 AM
We'll find a way to lose the game I bet

slim
01-15-2016, 11:07 AM
We'll find a way to lose the game I bet

Either that or we'll find a way to win it

Ravage!!!
01-15-2016, 11:09 AM
Brown was a non factor vs Seattle this year and they still scored over 30 points. Ben just went elsewhere with the ball. Wheaton, Bryant, and Miller are all legit targets. The biggest factor is Ben's health. Just like us, the QB play is key in this game.

Yeah.. but Seattle had to account for Brown on the field, so he wasn't a non-factor at all.

BroncoWave
01-15-2016, 11:15 AM
Well I guess pacman owes someone an apology.

VonDoom
01-15-2016, 11:17 AM
Thats what im kind of worried about. Its like the feeling of the Colts game all over again. Bronco Nation is sounding just a tad to bit confident for me at the moment. On paper we should roll easily but we've seen this before throughout the year.

This is what I said, starting last Saturday when people were talking about how we'd beat this team down. We SHOULD win this game, but the way this year has gone, I don't have that much confidence.

They have said all the right things as far as last year vs this year and their focus. Now we have to see if that means anything on the field.

EastCoastBronco
01-15-2016, 11:19 AM
The Hamburglar is like Phyllis and Brady when it comes to converting 3rd downs.
He is a master at it.
That is what I worry about the most.

That said, if we lose this game due to a lack of motivation/heart Kubiak should be run out of town on a rail.
I've got no problem at all with going down swinging but...

BroncoWave
01-15-2016, 11:23 AM
This might be a hot take but if we find a way to lose this game despite everything we have in our favor, then it's time to blow things up and start over, because it would be obvious that the issues our team has in overlooking playoff opponents still exist. There would just be zero excuse for losing this one.

weazel
01-15-2016, 11:25 AM
So Brown is ruled out for the game, Pitt is very deep at the WR position though.

HORSEPOWER 56
01-15-2016, 11:26 AM
Yeah.. but Seattle had to account for Brown on the field, so he wasn't a non-factor at all.

You're absolutely right as is Wave, the point I was trying to make is just that Pittsburgh is still dangerous even without Brown.

slim
01-15-2016, 11:26 AM
So Brown is ruled out for the game, Pitt is very deep at the WR position though.

True, but Brown might be the best player in the NFL.

BroncoWave
01-15-2016, 11:27 AM
So Brown is ruled out for the game, Pitt is very deep at the WR position though.

They are, but you can't replace a guy like brown. He's quite possibly been the best player in the NFL this year. Definitely a huge blow to their chances.

Denver Native (Carol)
01-15-2016, 11:34 AM
ESPN is reporting from Pittsburgh now, and it was just said that Brown counts for 40% of their offense

VonDoom
01-15-2016, 11:36 AM
This might be a hot take but if we find a way to lose this game despite everything we have in our favor, then it's time to blow things up and start over, because it would be obvious that the issues our team has in overlooking playoff opponents still exist. There would just be zero excuse for losing this one.

Talk to me after the game to see if I feel the same way :lol: But I know where you're coming from here. That thread about Kubiak became a Kubiak > Fox thread. But if we go down in this same round again, I'm not prepared to anoint Kubiak the savior yet. We have to do better when we get here, and this game is a great opportunity to do so. I just hope we can take care of business.

I honestly think I might be more nervous about this round than about any that would come after it (easy to say now, I know). This has been the round we've gone out in three of the last four years. Get past this and excitement will overtake nervousness, at least for me.

Davii
01-15-2016, 11:40 AM
Thats what im kind of worried about. Its like the feeling of the Colts game all over again. Bronco Nation is sounding just a tad to bit confident for me at the moment. On paper we should roll easily but we've seen this before throughout the year.

The players sound a different tone though. To a man they've all talked about how they weren't focused last year and this year they are, realizing this team embarrassed them just a few weeks ago, etc.

tomjonesrocks
01-15-2016, 11:46 AM
The players sound a different tone though. To a man they've all talked about how they weren't focused last year and this year they are, realizing this team embarrassed them just a few weeks ago, etc.

I'm actually more optimistic this year than I was vs the Colts. Manning has never really performed at his usual level vs his former team, and he was clearly hurt going into that game. Even before Fox pulled his unforgivable betrayal the coaches, if not the whole team were clearly not focused on that game.

That said this team really only won a handful of games all season convincingly and has a real problem letting teams hang around and hang around. Most games have not really been fun to watch outside of the defensive heroics. They seem capable of winning OR losing vs just about everyone.

pnbronco
01-15-2016, 12:09 PM
They still have to go out and play their game, though. Having these injuries might lull them into a false sense of security. They have to not fall into that trap. And let's face it, we've played the level of our competition, good or bad, for the whole season. This game will be close in the fourth quarter, like most of our games.

In the past I have had such bad feelings about these games they should win. For some reason I don't have that this year. I heard Griese on the radio yesterday and he said that Kubes is really good at keeping players focused. None of their games have been easy this year. They lost to the Raiders and that should never of happened. It made the last games mean so much more.

There are plenty of players in that locker room that lost last year to the Colts. This is Peytons last year and with everything he has gone through there is a part of me that feels like he will keep everyone focused with the coaches. I think it will be close, but for some reason I just think they finally understand how much is on the line. That one and down really, really, really sucks.

Davii
01-15-2016, 12:16 PM
In the past I have had such bad feelings about these games they should win. For some reason I don't have that this year. I heard Griese on the radio yesterday and he said that Kubes is really good at keeping players focused. None of their games have been easy this year. They lost to the Raiders and that should never of happened. It made the last games mean so much more.

There are plenty of players in that locker room that lost last year to the Colts. This is Peytons last year and with everything he has gone through there is a part of me that feels like he will keep everyone focused with the coaches. I think it will be close, but for some reason I just think they finally understand how much is on the line. That one and down really, really, really sucks.

I've said it before, I really think that Manning is planning on hanging it up, and this entire team is hell bent on winning for him and sending him out on top. Doesn't mean they will, but I think this is like a Ray Lewis for the Ravens scenario starting up...

Bronco4ever
01-15-2016, 12:18 PM
I've said it before, I really think that Manning is planning on hanging it up, and this entire team is hell bent on winning for him and sending him out on top. Doesn't mean they will, but I think this is like a Ray Lewis for the Ravens scenario starting up...

He should just come out and announce it just in case.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
01-15-2016, 12:20 PM
The betting lines are a good indicator of Pitts chances in this game. Vegas doesn't want to risk any money on the Steelers

GEM
01-15-2016, 12:20 PM
Well I guess pacman owes someone an apology.

I do as well, I thought there was some head games going on there. My bad.

pnbronco
01-15-2016, 12:39 PM
I've said it before, I really think that Manning is planning on hanging it up, and this entire team is hell bent on winning for him and sending him out on top. Doesn't mean they will, but I think this is like a Ray Lewis for the Ravens scenario starting up...

Bettis did the same thing for the Steelers the year they beat us....it's just time for things to fall into place. (I really.....really hope.)

tripp
01-15-2016, 12:39 PM
The betting lines are a good indicator of Pitts chances in this game. Vegas doesn't want to risk any money on the Steelers

Went from Denver +6.5 the other day, and now Antonio Brown ruled out, it's Denver +7.5.. good indication right there Vegas doesn't believe.


I assume Big Ben will play fine regardless of this injury mumbo jumbo. I don't buy it, they always say he's injured and then he goes on to throw for 300 yards, 2+ Td's.

tripp
01-15-2016, 12:40 PM
Adam Caplan ‏@caplannfl 14s14 seconds ago

#Steelers RB DeAngelo Williams is officially out for Sunday's game vs. #Broncos.

Valar Morghulis
01-15-2016, 12:45 PM
True, but Brown might be the best player in the NFL.

True, but he might not

BronColt
01-15-2016, 12:53 PM
Went from Denver +6.5 the other day, and now Antonio Brown ruled out, it's Denver +7.5.. good indication right there Vegas doesn't believe.


I assume Big Ben will play fine regardless of this injury mumbo jumbo. I don't buy it, they always say he's injured and then he goes on to throw for 300 yards, 2+ Td's.

Vegas had the line at Broncos -7 yesterday. They're afraid of this game bigtime at the books and haven't released an updated line as of yet. I'm sure the news of Brown and Williams both out has changed everything, but they're waiting to see Bens status before they roll out the new line.

8271

EastCoastBronco
01-15-2016, 12:54 PM
I do as well, I thought there was some head games going on there. My bad.

I see what you did there...;-)

Buff
01-15-2016, 01:03 PM
Vegas had the line at Broncos -7 yesterday. They're afraid of this game bigtime at the books and haven't released an updated line as of yet. I'm sure the news of Brown and Williams both out has changed everything, but they're waiting to see Bens status before they roll out the new line.

8271

I totally thought the sky was blue when I woke up today and then I looked up and the sky was blue, confirming my previous thoughts.

OrangeHoof
01-15-2016, 01:09 PM
Vegas had the line at Broncos -7 yesterday. They're afraid of this game bigtime at the books and haven't released an updated line as of yet. I'm sure the news of Brown and Williams both out has changed everything, but they're waiting to see Bens status before they roll out the new line.

8271

I totally thought the sky was blue when I woke up today and then I looked up and the sky was blue, confirming my previous thoughts.

But they've started out blue before only to have Welker drop a punt or Rahim Moore blow a coverage. This is football, man. You can never be too paranoid.

Denver Native (Carol)
01-15-2016, 01:33 PM
Adam Schefter Retweeted
Michael David Smith ‏@MichaelDavSmith 4h

Vontaze Burfict may single-handedly keep the Steelers out of the Super Bowl. He injured Antonio Brown, Le'Veon Bell and Ben Roethlisberger.