Report Alleges Peyton Manning HGH Use

[BroncoWave]

Now to be clear I am talking this with an enormous grain of salt given the sources, but interesting nonetheless. Starting to make the rounds on Twitter and even Vic said it wouldn't totally shock him if it were true.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/peyton-manning-human-growth-hormone_567f16e4e4b0b958f6599440?ncid=tweetlnkushp mg00000067


An Indianapolis anti-aging clinic supplied quarterback Peyton Manning with human growth hormone, a performance-enhancing drug banned by the NFL, a pharmacist who once worked at the clinic asserts in a new special report from Al Jazeera’s Investigative Unit.
The report, “The Dark Side,” is the result of a monthslong investigation in which Liam Collins, a British hurdler, went undercover in an attempt to expose the widespread nature of performance-enhancing drugs in global sports. As a cover story, Collins tells medical professionals tied to the trade of performance-enhancing drugs that he is hoping for one last shot at glory at the 2016 Olympics in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. Manning is just one of many high-profile players the report names and raises questions about.

[Northman]

Interesting indeed.

[BroncoWave]

Manning responds: ""The allegation that I would do something like that is complete garbage and is totally made up. It never happened. Never. I really can’t believe somebody would put something like this on the air."

[Cugel]

The thing is, this was 4 years ago. So, unless there's more corroboration, this story will never go anywhere.

[VonDoom]

Given Manning's sterling reputation both on and off the field, I'm not prepared to believe this unless more actual evidence comes to light. I'll be curious who these other "high profile athletes" are that are referenced in the Huff Po article. I find it odd that they single out Manning specifically, as he has never been accused of anything like this in the past.

[BroncoWave]

Given Manning's sterling reputation both on and off the field, I'm not prepared to believe this unless more actual evidence comes to light. I'll be curious who these other "high profile athletes" are that are referenced in the Huff Po article. I find it odd that they single out Manning specifically, as he has never been accused of anything like this in the past.

I've also seen Clay Matthews and Ryan Howard as athletes mentioned in the Al Jazeera report linked to that doctor.

[BroncoWave]

I will say that Peyton's sterling reputation might not be at the level that many of us would like to believe. This story was never brought up by the national media but he more or less assaulted a girl in college.

http://thebiglead.com/2014/09/18/peyton-manning-1996-tennessee-lawsuit-trainer-bare-butt-mooning/

[Simple Jaded]

I will say that Peyton's sterling reputation might not be at the level that many of us would like to believe. This story was never brought up by the national media but he more or less assaulted a girl in college.

http://thebiglead.com/2014/09/18/peyton-manning-1996-tennessee-lawsuit-trainer-bare-butt-mooning/

He gave a trainer his famous Beef Stew.

As for the HGH, if he did I think we can pinpoint exactly when he stopped taking HGH.

[tomjonesrocks]

I will say that Peyton's sterling reputation might not be at the level that many of us would like to believe. This story was never brought up by the national media but he more or less assaulted a girl in college. http://thebiglead.com/2014/09/18/peyton-manning-1996-tennessee-lawsuit-trainer-bare-butt-mooning/

That story was picked up and was out there. No one cared/and or believed it and it died. Was a different time as far as media goes for sure but it gets bumped somewhat regularly.

Manning flew to Europe to do the blood-spinning process which seems pretty cutting-edge - HGH really wouldn't be that big a shock - particularly if it looked to him for a period like he might never play again.

[Dapper Dan]

Give some of that special water to our offense.

[VonDoom]

And then there's this:


According to the Al-Jazeera report, "The Dark Side," British hurdler Liam Collins went undercover to expose the rampant use of performance-enhancing drugs in sports. As part of his investigation, Collins met with Charles Sly, a former pharmacist at the anti-aging Guyer Clinic in Indianapolis. Sly said he mailed HGH to Manning's wife, Ashley, to avoid any link to the quarterback.

In a follow up interview with Al-Jazeera, Sly recanted the allegations, saying they "are absolutely false and incorrect." Sly said Collins took advantage of him during a vulnerable time in his life following the death of his fiancee.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_29313906/peyton-manning-denies-allegation-he-received-hgh-2011

[ShaneFalco]

al jaezeera "investigative unit"

lol

[Hawgdriver]

This is what happens to articles that aren't Onion caliber.

[chazoe60]

If you can't trust Al Jazeera who can you trust?

[Davii]

I have no doubt whatsoever that this is garbage. Especially given the extremely good reputation of Al Jazeera.

[TimHippo]

I will say that Peyton's sterling reputation might not be at the level that many of us would like to believe. This story was never brought up by the national media but he more or less assaulted a girl in college.

http://thebiglead.com/2014/09/18/peyton-manning-1996-tennessee-lawsuit-trainer-bare-butt-mooning/

This would kind of explain why you back Brock Osweiler and don't like Peyton Manning. I'm sure you've known this story for a while.

Ironically, you kind of look like Eli Manning. Which I guess is okay since he's considered the handsome Manning.

[Simple Jaded]

I thought Al Jezeere was some place in the middle east.

[Davii]

I thought Al Jezeere was some place in the middle east.

They're everywhere. Like the NSA

[Simple Jaded]

They're everywhere. Like the NSA

There goes the neighborhood.

[ShaneFalco]

While Qatar’s flagship satellite television channel, Al-Jazeera, is permitted to air critical reports on foreign countries and leaders, journalists are subject to prosecution for criticizing the Qatari government, the ruling family, or Islam.

lol

[Dapper Dan]

lol

They think Qatar is bad, wait til the Mannings get ahold of em

[ShaneFalco]

its funny because the founders of al jazeera are qatari royal family.

[TimHippo]

Here's the whole 1 hour documentary:

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJRPxmTuxoI[/url

1. First Part interviews former 100 m world record holder (9.78) Tim Montgomery
2. Charlie Sly, Highschool friend of TE Dustin Keller (6-2 242 lbs) claims he put Keller on a program of drugs that got him an electrifying 4.53 40/6.88 3 cone at the 2008 NFL combine. 1st in 4 combine events, 2nd in two more events.
3. GB LB Mike Neal was set up with a bunch of steroids/HGH which helped him land a $2 mil contract by Dr. Robertson.
4. Clay Mathews only had some pain killers from Dr. Robertson to treat injuries during a playoff game. No steroids/HGH alleged.
5. Sly says that Julius Peppers, Ryan Howard, Ryan Zimmerman, James Harrison, catcher Taylor Teagarden use D2/Delta 2. (Teagarden actually meets with Sly at his apartment and says he uses the stuff)
6. Peyton Manning. Just inferred that he may have used HGH during his neck rehabilitation in Indy via an Indy anti-aging clinic where Sly worked. All the HGH shipments went to his wife, not him.

[Valar Morghulis]

All Jazeera had a really good rep over here

[Dapper Dan]

All Jazeera had a really good rep over here

Of course. You guys have Sharia Law and whatnot. Heard it on tv

[BroncoWave]

I've actually heard several times that Al Jazeera is one of the most reputable international news sources there is. No idea how true that is, but I've heard it from several different people.

[Northman]

- HGH really wouldn't be that big a shock - particularly if it looked to him for a period like he might never play again.

Pretty much what im thinking, if he did use it wouldnt be shocking considering the injury he was coming from.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Mark Haas ‏@markhaastv 12h

Charles Sly, the man who was secretly recorded talking about Manning, responded with a denial:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sf2-8V0K3oM …

[Denver Native (Carol)]

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. — Please see below for a statement from the Denver Broncos on Peyton Manning:

“Knowing Peyton Manning and everything he stands for, the Denver Broncos support him 100 percent. These are false claims made to Al Jazeera, and we don’t believe the report.

“Peyton is rightfully outraged by the allegations, which he emphatically denied to our organization and which have been publicly renounced by the source who initially provided them.

“Throughout his NFL career, particularly during his four seasons with the Broncos, Peyton has shown nothing but respect for the game. Our organization is confident Peyton does things the right way, and we do not find this story to be credible.”

http://www.denverbroncos.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Broncos-release-statement-on-Peyton-Manning/2abed6af-1650-4543-b62b-926f69878a0f

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Coming up: Manning on NFL Countdown

At 11 a.m. ET, Peyton Manning will be interviewed by NFL Insiders' Lisa Salters in the wake of an Al Jazeera report that alleges he was supplied HGH in 2011. Live on ESPN, WatchESPN

[Denver Native (Carol)]

The documentary, posted online early Sunday morning and set to air on TV later in the day, reports that Manning was given a supply of human growth hormone in 2011 while he was recovering from surgery that year from a man identified by Al Jazeera as a pharmacist employed at the Guyer Institute in Indianapolis. The report cites a man named Charlie Sly, who allegedly spoke to an undercover reporter working for the network.

Sly told Mortensen that he isn't a pharmacist and wasn't at the Guyer Institute in 2011, as Al Jazeera claimed. State licensing records indicate that a Charles David Sly was licensed as a pharmacy intern in Indiana from April 2010 to May 2013. His license expired May 1, 2013.

He said he recanted his story to Al Jazeera when he realized that they had used information he had "made up" to a man named Liam Collins who was trying to get into the supplementation business.

"When I was there, I had never seen the Mannings ever. They were not even living there at that time," Sly said. "Someone who worked there said they had been there before. That was the extent of any knowledge I had. I feel badly. I never saw any files. This is just amazing that it reached this point."

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14441114/documentary-links-peyton-manning-other-pro-athletes-use-peds

[OrangeHoof]

Al Jazeera and the Huffington Post. Before long Brian Williams will say he was taking HGH with Peyton and Dan Rather had obviously faked documents proving Manning did them.

[chazoe60]

Yeah how can we not trust the TV network that said showing the face of a terrorist was disrespectful to the TERRORIST.

[BroncoWave]

Question to those who are doubting this for no other reason than it came from Al Jazerra: What possible motive would Al Jazeera have to slander Peyton Manning? He's about as unrelated to the stuff they typically cover as you could possibly get. I highly highly doubt someone at Al Jazeera just woke up one morning and decided "I'm going to go out to get Peyton Manning!".

Actually reading through the reports, it seems like they were investigating doping leading up to the 2016 Olympics and kinda stumbled across the Manning stuff in the process. Does that make this report totally true? No, they are still going on the word of one doctor. But to straight up dismiss it because it's from Al Jazeera (because OMGZ mooslims!) is a bit ridiculous IMO.

[Valar Morghulis]

I know a lot of UK conservatives who get their news from there because they believe the BBC is to socialist and left wing

[Timmy!]

Question to those who are doubting this for no other reason than it came from Al Jazerra: What possible motive would Al Jazeera have to slander Peyton Manning? He's about as unrelated to the stuff they typically cover as you could possibly get. I highly highly doubt someone at Al Jazeera just woke up one morning and decided "I'm going to go out to get Peyton Manning!".

Actually reading through the reports, it seems like they were investigating doping leading up to the 2016 Olympics and kinda stumbled across the Manning stuff in the process. Does that make this report totally true? No, they are still going on the word of one doctor. But to straight up dismiss it because it's from Al Jazeera (because OMGZ mooslims!) is a bit ridiculous IMO.

They are going by the word of an intern, not a doctor, who has since basically admitted he was full of shit and was pressured into saying things, cause you know, journalism! I can do way better. What actually happened was Peyton was feasting on the flesh of human fetuses and sucking out all their stem cells to give him super human ability. Sure he has to give his first born grandson to Satan and owes the ghost of Hitler a hand job, but hey, worth it.

[BroncoWave]

They are going by the word of an intern, not a doctor, who has since basically admitted he was full of shit and was pressured into saying things, cause you know, journalism! I can do way better. What actually happened was Peyton was feasting on the flesh of human fetuses and sucking out all their stem cells to give him super human ability. Sure he has to give his first born grandson to Satan and owes the ghost of Hitler a hand job, but hey, worth it.

And it's perfectly fair to not believe the report because of the credibility of the sources. But I just have to laugh when certain posters (who tend to be very anti-middle east in every regard) just outright dismiss the report because they see the name "Al Jazeera".

[TimHippo]

Mark Haas ‏@markhaastv 12h

Charles Sly, the man who was secretly recorded talking about Manning, responded with a denial:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sf2-8V0K3oM …

Well, duh. The guy has about 20 guys who want to kill him right now. He'll probably be swimming with the fishes in a couple months.

[BroncoWave]

Man, Peyton looks PISSED right now, being interviewed on NFL Countdown. I believe him, FWIW. He's either the best actor in the world or he's legitimately pissed.

Hell maybe this will work out for the Broncos. Maybe he gets back on the field and plays pissed all the way to the title.

[tripp]

Peyton is FURIOUS. Lol wow.

[Timmy!]

Peyton is going to murder puppies.

[TimHippo]

Man, Peyton looks PISSED right now, being interviewed on NFL Countdown. I believe him, FWIW. He's either the best actor in the world or he's legitimately pissed.

Hell maybe this will work out for the Broncos. Maybe he gets back on the field and plays pissed all the way to the title.

Haven't seen someone that red since Shanahan.

It's hard to say if he is just mad that his name was dragged into this or if he's upset he got caught.

He seems awfully defensive. And does keep acknowledging that he was at that clinic and receiving various types of treatments.

[TimHippo]

I think you have to let Peyton start tommorow.

[tripp]

Why was his wife getting medical shipments?

[BroncoWave]

Why was his wife getting medical shipments?

I don't know, for a medical issue?

[tripp]

I don't know, for a medical issue?

I'm just saying if it's about HGH, kind of weird his wife was getting shipped them. I dunno why people use HGH for reasons other than injury/working out. Usually where there's smoke there's fire.

[TimHippo]

Why was his wife getting medical shipments?

Peyton gets angry and says that's none of anybody's business.

But it does seems that he is admitting that the wife is getting medical shipments from this clinic.

In another interview he also acknowledges that he may have been at the clinic after 5 pm closing time at like 5:15 pm which is "after hours" but not really "after hours".

Someone else mentioned that the NFL didn't start testing for HGH till 2014.

[tripp]

Peyton gets angry and says that's none of anybody's business.

But it does seems that he is admitting that the wife is getting medical shipments from this clinic.

In another interview he also acknowledges that he may have been at the clinic after 5 pm closing time at like 5:15 pm which is "after hours" but not really "after hours".

Someone else mentioned that the NFL didn't start testing for HGH till 2014.

I don't even know why it's such a big deal. If he used it for his neck in 2011, why is this a problem?

Also during his down time with his neck, I'm sure he's been given meds to help deal with his neck, and he might of unknowingly took it? I doubt Peyton is that negligent when it comes to meds as he seems pretty anal about almost everything when it comes to his career.

[BroncoWave]

The logic of this story really falls apart if you take it at face value. The alleged scheme was to send the drugs in Ashley's name so that they could not be linked to Peyton. Like, wut? Who in the world is closer to Peyton Manning than his wife? If he were REALLY getting illegal drugs mailed to him and wanted to hide it, he'd be getting them sent to someone way harder to link to him than his wife.

[TimHippo]

I don't even know why it's such a big deal. If he used it for his neck in 2011, why is this a problem?

Also during his down time with his neck, I'm sure he's been given meds to help deal with his neck, and he might of unknowingly took it? I doubt Peyton is that negligent when it comes to meds as he seems pretty anal about almost everything when it comes to his career.

Unknowingly taking it is like the worst excuse for HGH/steroids.

I think he probably was given something (HGH, roids) to help in recovery for his neck but overall I don't think Peyton used any performance enhancing drugs throughout his career other than the neck. He was never really built like an adonis and was never athletic.

And let's be honest. NFL athletes are the most jacked up people in the world. It wouldn't surprise me if at least 50 percent are on the gear so it's not that big a deal if they are not going to enforce it.

Technically thought, HGG was still illegal in 2011 even if they couldn't test for it because of the union. It's kind of like all the guys who were busted in MLB for using steroids before they tested for it. It's still retroactively illegal.

[TimHippo]

The logic of this story really falls apart if you take it at face value. The alleged scheme was to send the drugs in Ashley's name so that they could not be linked to Peyton. Like, wut? Who in the world is closer to Peyton Manning than his wife? If he were REALLY getting illegal drugs mailed to him and wanted to hide it, he'd be getting them sent to someone way harder to link to him than his wife.

That's usually how it's done though. It's smart. Even here, let's say he was using it, he can always say that he never received HGH, his wife did. So technically he's not at fault and can't be penalized for it.

In the Lebron case with the Miami HGH clinic it was in the name of his best friend and agent.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Why was his wife getting medical shipments?

I will throw this out, as it is just a thought. Their twins were born in March 2011. IF she was receiving medical shipments, maybe carrying and giving birth to twins wore her down.

[tripp]

Unknowingly taking it is like the worst excuse for HGH/steroids.

I think he probably was given something (HGH, roids) to help in recovery for his neck but overall I don't think Peyton used any performance enhancing drugs throughout his career other than the neck. He was never really built like an adonis and was never athletic.

And let's be honest. NFL athletes are the most jacked up people in the world. It wouldn't surprise me if at least 50 percent are on the gear so it's not that big a deal if they are not going to enforce it.

Technically thought, HGG was still illegal in 2011 even if they couldn't test for it because of the union. It's kind of like all the guys who were busted in MLB for using steroids before they tested for it. It's still retroactively illegal.

Well that's just it. Last time I checked, HGH doesn't improve accuracy and reading defenses no like other QB has/can.

[Timmy!]

The logic of this story really falls apart if you take it at face value. The alleged scheme was to send the drugs in Ashley's name so that they could not be linked to Peyton. Like, wut? Who in the world is closer to Peyton Manning than his wife? If he were REALLY getting illegal drugs mailed to him and wanted to hide it, he'd be getting them sent to someone way harder to link to him than his wife.

Its like robbing a bank and using your personal vehicle as the get away car. Peyton is no where close to that stupid.

[BroncoWave]

Its like robbing a bank and using your personal vehicle as the get away car. Peyton is no where close to that stupid.

I don't necessarily have a ton of street smarts, but if I had unlimited funds and were getting something illegal shipped to me that I knew would ruin my career if it ever was discovered, I'd be buying or renting some vacant lot in cash and having it sent to that mailbox under an alias or something along those lines. I wouldn't have it shipped to my own damn address and just put it under my wife's name.

[TimHippo]

I don't necessarily have a ton of street smarts, but if I had unlimited funds and were getting something illegal shipped to me that I knew would ruin my career if it ever was discovered, I'd be buying or renting some vacant lot in cash and having it sent to that mailbox under an alias or something along those lines. I wouldn't have it shipped to my own damn address and just put it under my wife's name.

That would be the dumbest thing you could do. It would get traced back to you that you bought or rented that vacant lot and registered an alias or that someone would see you picking up the package.

The more people/companies you have between you and the supplier the more dangerous it is.

The wife is a perfect middle man because unless you get divorced on bad terms it can't get traced back to you.

[BroncoWave]

Do it all in cash and never physically show up at the location yourself, it can't be traced to you. Maybe instead of using an alias just have it in the name of a friend, but not a friend that the public would know that you are associated with. Or hell just give your friend all the cash and let him do it all in his name.

[TimHippo]

In the documentary, Cubs catcher Taylor Teagarden goes to Charles Sly's apartment and buys and wants to shoot up some D2 (Delta 2). So that kind of legitimizes this Sly yahoo as a big time HGH dealer and not someone who is just shooting his mouth off.

[TimHippo]

Do it all in cash and never physically show up at the location yourself, it can't be traced to you. Maybe instead of using an alias just have it in the name of a friend, but not a friend that the public would know that you are associated with. Or hell just give your friend all the cash and let him do it all in his name.

Problem with that is the friend then has all the power over you. If things go sour with him or if the friend gets greedy the friend can blackmail you for all you have $$$.

With the wife you have no such problem. Lebron actually goes through his best friend and agent so people do do that but I think the wife is still as good if not better courier because they can use spousal privilege against having to incriminate their spouse if it ever went to court or an investigation.

[TimHippo]

Manning probably should have used John Papa John as his courier.

[BroncoWave]

Problem with that is the friend then has all the power over you. If things go sour with him or if the friend gets greedy the friend can blackmail you for all you have $$$.

With the wife you have no such problem. Lebron actually goes through his best friend and agent so people do do that but I think the wife is still as good if not better courier because they can use spousal privilege against having to incriminate their spouse if it ever went to court or an investigation.

Yeah but if someone with the funds of Peyton Manning is going to set you up for life, you probably aren't going to be squealing to anyone and ruining your nest egg.

[TimHippo]

Yeah but if someone with the funds of Peyton Manning is going to set you up for life, you probably aren't going to be squealing to anyone and ruining your nest egg.

Well you could get more money by threatening to expose Manning to the public for using HGH. That's always the danger with "friends" at this level of celebrity, fame and wealth. There's very few people you can trust other than family or childhood friends and even there stuff will happen.

[Ravage!!!]

I will say that Peyton's sterling reputation might not be at the level that many of us would like to believe. This story was never brought up by the national media but he more or less assaulted a girl in college.

http://thebiglead.com/2014/09/18/peyton-manning-1996-tennessee-lawsuit-trainer-bare-butt-mooning/

assault? he mooned her. Only her, and you, would call it an "assault." Are you looking to cash in, as well?

[BroncoWave]

assault? he mooned her. Only her, and you, would call it an "assault." Are you looking to cash in, as well?

He didn't just moon her. He sat on her face with his naked ass and his ass and balls were rubbing against her face. I would call that a little more than "mooning".

[TimHippo]

He didn't just moon her. He sat on her face with his naked ass and his ass and balls were rubbing against her face. I would call that a little more than "mooning".

Bill Cosby and Jared Fogle would disagree with you.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Ian Rapoport Verified account
‏@RapSheet

Manning spokesman did say Peyton's wife was a patient at this anti-aging clinic in question. She had a prescription, wouldn't say for what

Michelle Vaeth ‏@mjvaeth 4h

@RapSheet HGH commonly prescribed to women undergoing IVF fertility treatments. Mannings had twins (common in IVF) same yr. Use cld b legit

Michelle Vaeth ‏@mjvaeth 3h

@RapSheet infertility is often tough 4 ppl to talk about publicly. If my theory right, mannings caught btwn rock/hard place in hw 2 respond.

[TimHippo]

Ian Rapoport Verified account
‏@RapSheet

Manning spokesman did say Peyton's wife was a patient at this anti-aging clinic in question. She had a prescription, wouldn't say for what

Michelle Vaeth ‏@mjvaeth 4h

@RapSheet HGH commonly prescribed to women undergoing IVF fertility treatments. Mannings had twins (common in IVF) same yr. Use cld b legit

Michelle Vaeth ‏@mjvaeth 3h

@RapSheet infertility is often tough 4 ppl to talk about publicly. If my theory right, mannings caught btwn rock/hard place in hw 2 respond.

The chemsits, dealers and experts in the documentary talked about that. There are only 3 reasons an adult can have HGH. 1. Bowel problems (if you have had your bowel cut out due to cancer or something. 2. HIV decay. 3. Fertility issues.

The drug dealer was saying that using the fertility excuse is a good way to avoid the authorities if questioned about why you have HGH.

[Bronco4ever]

It looks like this is a bunch of hot air.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

The chemsits, dealers and experts in the documentary talked about that. There are only 3 reasons an adult can have HGH. 1. Bowel problems (if you have had your bowel cut out due to cancer or something. 2. HIV decay. 3. Fertility issues.

The drug dealer was saying that using the fertility excuse is a good way to avoid the authorities if questioned about why you have HGH.

Or using it for fertility could be absolutely correct in this case. The twins were born in March 2011. Ashley became pregnant in 2010. Peyton is 39, so he was 35 at the time Ashley became pregnant. They were married in 2001. If they wanted children, I can understand why she would use this for fertility

[Edmonton Bronco Fan]

I have never, ever seen such a visceral reaction of anger from Manning. He was absolutely disgusted and looked like he wanted to kill someone having to deal with this slander. Good for him, he shouldn't have his reputation questioned because of bush league bullshit crap sources and reporting.

[TimHippo]

I have never, ever seen such a visceral reaction of anger from Manning. He was absolutely disgusted and looked like he wanted to kill someone having to deal with this slander. Good for him, he shouldn't have his reputation questioned because of bush league bullshit crap sources and reporting.

He was angrier before the New Orleans super bowl game.

[tomjonesrocks]

He was angrier before the New Orleans super bowl game.

Huh. Don't see that brought up much but that was a big story before the game - Manning was scowling on arrival to the game! Remember Deion and others mocking the showing.

It was odd and considering the outcome didn't really work out.

[TimHippo]

Huh. Don't see that brought up much but that was a big story before the game - Manning was scowling on arrival to the game! Remember Deion and others mocking the showing.

It was odd and considering the outcome didn't really work out.

Yeah he looked like he was going to kill someone. I think it backfired as he was way too tense in the game and threw a key pick 6 interception when Manning had the Colts down to the 26 yard line ready to tie the game with 3 minutes left.

[Ravage!!!]

He didn't just moon her. He sat on her face with his naked ass and his ass and balls were rubbing against her face. I would call that a little more than "mooning".

Now you are just making stuff up to fit a visual you want. He was rubbing his calf or ankle, and he pulled his pants down and bent over. Lets not make it out to be like he held her down and sat on her face. THat's not much more than mooning, and she just wanted some money for it. Sounds like you are her lawyer making up that shit.

[BroncoWave]

Now you are just making stuff up to fit a visual you want. He was rubbing his calf or ankle, and he pulled his pants down and bent over. Lets not make it out to be like he held her down and sat on her face. THat's not much more than mooning, and she just wanted some money for it. Sounds like you are her lawyer making up that shit.

Did you read the article? She literally said under oath that he pressed his naked ass up against her face. I'm not making anything up.

[BroncoWave]

Since you clearly didn't read the article:


Manning, for whatever reason, also added in the book that the trainer had a “vulgar mouth.” The trainer, however, told a different version of events in a court filing.

she was examining Manning to see why Manning was having pain in one of his feet and was crouched behind him when “entirely unprovoked, Peyton Manning decided to pull down his shorts and sit on Dr. Naughright’s head and face.”

As Naughright described it in a deposition entered into the court record: “It was the gluteus maximus, the rectum, the testicles and the area in between the testicles. And all that was on my face when I pushed him up. … To get leverage, I took my head out to push him up and off.”

[Dapper Dan]

I think it's called the taint, sometimes called the gooch.

[BroncoWave]

I think it's called the taint, sometimes called the gooch.

I would love to see either of those words in a court record.

[Ravage!!!]

Since you clearly didn't read the article:

:lol:

You clearly are naive in so many ways its adorable.

SHe's SUEING, what you think she is going to say? Seriously... come on. HE bends over and moons her while she is close down by his butt. IT was a joke.... even a bad joke. But sexual assault??? ******* hell...that's absurd.

[BroncoWave]

:lol:

You clearly are naive in so many ways its adorable.

SHe's SUEING, what you think she is going to say? Seriously... come on. HE bends over and moons her while she is close down by his butt. IT was a joke.... even a bad joke. But sexual assault??? ******* hell...that's absurd.

Well she was under oath and there were probably a locker room full of people who were friends with Peyton Manning who could have contradicted her story if she were lying, so I'm inclined to believe it.

I've mooned a few people in my day, but I've never had my entire ass pressed up against their face in a manner that would cause someone to struggle to free themselves.

[TimHippo]

:lol:

You clearly are naive in so many ways its adorable.

SHe's SUEING, what you think she is going to say? Seriously... come on. HE bends over and moons her while she is close down by his butt. IT was a joke.... even a bad joke. But sexual assault??? ******* hell...that's absurd.

That's a good trick. Just take your pants off and put your ding dong on any hot girls face and claim it was "just a joke"

[BroncoWave]

Hey Rav, do you have a daughter? If so, and I mooned her and sat my naked ass/balls on her face, would you just laugh that off as a harmless prank?

[Northman]

Hey Rav, do you have a daughter? If so, and I mooned her and sat my naked ass/balls on her face, would you just laugh that off as a harmless prank?

My guess is no.

I dont know what happened with Manning and the girl. Is it assault? No. But its inappropriate and not a very good thing to do. But, it seems it happened while he was a college player and doesnt seem to have anything else like that in his background.

[BroncoWave]

My guess is no.

I dont know what happened with Manning and the girl. Is it assault? No. But its inappropriate and not a very good thing to do. But, it seems it happened while he was a college player and doesnt seem to have anything else like that in his background.

Yeah, I think he is a very good dude now and obviously more mature than he was in college, but everyone has skeletons in their closet, which was my main point in saying that he's not necessarily the golden boy who could never do anything wrong.

[BroncoWave]

My guess is no.

I dont know what happened with Manning and the girl. Is it assault? No. But its inappropriate and not a very good thing to do. But, it seems it happened while he was a college player and doesnt seem to have anything else like that in his background.

Hell even when he was like a 7 year vet in the NFL he still ripped the girl publicly when it was brought up. Like damn dude, just be happy you got off easy and let the past be the past. That was actually a violation of their settlement and he had to settle with her again.

[Valar Morghulis]

I think it's called the taint, sometimes called the gooch.

We call it the "izny" - because it "izny" quite your arsehole and it "izny" quite your scrotum

[BroncoWave]

We call it the "izny" - because it "izny" quite your arsehole and it "izny" quite your scrotum

I am fascinated by "English English", Dave!

[Valar Morghulis]

I would love to see either of those words in a court record.

I used to have to go to court every thursday for the youth offenders - it was hilarious, these really posh lawyers would be putting their caases forward at the start and they would quote things from the statements like

"at this point my client was go **** yourself, you stupid wank stain, i will **** your mother.....again"

Because they were so posh, it was always hilarious

[BroncoWave]

I used to have to go to court every thursday for the youth offenders - it was hilarious, these really posh lawyers would be putting their caases forward at the start and they would quote things from the statements like

"at this point my client was go **** yourself, you stupid wank stain, i will **** your mother.....again"

Because they were so posh, it was always hilarious

:lol: This might be my favorite post ever, Dave!

[OrangeFanatic]

LOL with his limp duck inaccurate arm throws over the last few years, I promise you this guy has never used any kind of PIDs, EVER.

[Poet]

I imagine that Dave was probably getting laid in the back of the courtroom.

[tomjonesrocks]

LOL with his limp duck inaccurate arm throws over the last few years, I promise you this guy has never used any kind of PIDs, EVER.

"Last Few Years" including then the most prolific offense in history.

Yash-worthy entry. Congrats.

[Valar Morghulis]

:lol: This might be my favorite post ever, Dave!

was it the expression "wank stain" that did it for you?

[Valar Morghulis]

I imagine that Dave was probably getting laid in the back of the courtroom.

lol - no just a handy

[I Eat Staples]

I wouldn't hold it against him if he used HGH while recovering from neck surgery. It would make sense.

Most athletes are taking things that are banned by their leagues anyway. And HGH wasn't even banned in the NFL until 2011 and not tested for until 2014.

[Dapper Dan]

was it the expression "wank stain" that did it for you?

Yes, because that's Wave's nickname.

[OrangeFanatic]

"Last Few Years" including then the most prolific offense in history.

Yash-worthy entry. Congrats.

INCLUDING the most prolific offense in history. I could have farted those ducks out of my ass and made records with all the weapons we had.

[Poet]

INCLUDING the most prolific offense in history. I could have farted those ducks out of my ass and made records with all the weapons we had.

Oh god.

[BroncoWave]

lol - no just a handy

Were you giving yourself a J Arthur?

[Dapper Dan]

INCLUDING the most prolific offense in history. I could have farted those ducks out of my ass and made records with all the weapons we had.

Mm. I bet you gotta nice hole.

[BroncoWave]

Oh god.

Like, those words seriously just got posted by someone and they weren't joking. My gawd.

[BroncoWave]

Yes, because that's Wave's nickname.

And to think I just defended you in another thread!

[Valar Morghulis]

Were you giving yourself a J Arthur?

Great effort!

And yes.

[Poet]

Like, those words seriously just got posted by someone and they weren't joking. My gawd.

What in the **** is this shit?

[Timmy!]

http://media1.giphy.com/media/fNBFa6NCMeZJm/200w.gif

[Dapper Dan]

And to think I just defended you in another thread!

I typed that before you defended me. Once I realized what had happened, I knew this would get awkward.

[TimHippo]

I wouldn't hold it against him if he used HGH while recovering from neck surgery. It would make sense.

Most athletes are taking things that are banned by their leagues anyway. And HGH wasn't even banned in the NFL until 2011 and not tested for until 2014.

Actually hgh has been banned since 1991.

[I Eat Staples]

Actually hgh has been banned since 1991.

You might be right, I was going by one of the articles about it.

Either way, there was no way to test for it because the NFLPA only recently agreed to blood tests.

[BroncoWave]

Manning plans to sue over HGH allegations:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/12/27/peyton-manning-says-hell-probably-sue-over-hgh-allegations/?utm_network=twitter&utm_post=4824481&utm_source=TW%20%40NBCSports&utm_tags%20=srm%5Bbrand%20%E2%80%93%20profootballt alk%2Ccontent%20-%20text-based%2Csport%20%E2%80%93%20nfl%5D


Earlier on Sunday, Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning described the HGH allegations made against him as “defamation,” a legal term of art that invites the question of whether he plans to sue.

Peter King of TheMMQB.com and NBC’s Football Night in America asked Manning whether he’ll sue, and here’s what Peyton told King: “Yeah, I probably will. I’m that angry.”

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Article written February 2, 2015

from article:


The NFL and players union added HGH testing as part of the collective bargaining agreement signed in 2011, but the sides did not agree on the terms until 2014. Testing started in October, with about 40 per week at random during the regular season and five per team in the playoffs, plus other players tested for reasonable cause, said Adolpho Birch, the NFL's senior vice president for labor policy. If caught, players would be subject to a minimum four-game suspension.

Out of about 790 HGH tests in the first year of testing this past season, there were no positives, Birch told USA TODAY Sports before Sunday's Super Bowl.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2015/02/02/hgh-testing-effectiveness-questioned-debated-facade/22715375/

[Valar Morghulis]

Gotta sell that play action fake

[TimHippo]

Manning plans to sue over HGH allegations:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/12/27/peyton-manning-says-hell-probably-sue-over-hgh-allegations/?utm_network=twitter&utm_post=4824481&utm_source=TW%20%40NBCSports&utm_tags%20=srm%5Bbrand%20%E2%80%93%20profootballt alk%2Ccontent%20-%20text-based%2Csport%20%E2%80%93%20nfl%5D

I doubt he will. It just opens him and his wife up to more investigation.

[BroncoWave]

I doubt he will. It just opens him and his wife up to more investigation.

If they truly have nothing to hide it shouldn't matter.

[Simple Jaded]

The logic of this story really falls apart if you take it at face value. The alleged scheme was to send the drugs in Ashley's name so that they could not be linked to Peyton. Like, wut? Who in the world is closer to Peyton Manning than his wife? If he were REALLY getting illegal drugs mailed to him and wanted to hide it, he'd be getting them sent to someone way harder to link to him than his wife.

They sent them to Yashashaler.

[TimHippo]

If they truly have nothing to hide it shouldn't matter.

We'll see. It just seems like he's the only one who is overly upset about this and making alot of noise. It's like drawing all this attention to yourself and making it worse IMO.
All the other guys in the documentary who have been accused of stuff are laying low and being quiet.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

We'll see. It just seems like he's the only one who is overly upset about this and making alot of noise. It's like drawing all this attention to yourself and making it worse IMO.
All the other guys in the documentary who have been accused of stuff are laying low and being quiet.

ESPN is in town to do the game tomorrow night, so it was very easy to talk to Peyton about this, AND

Ryan Howard's attorney threatens to sue Al Jazeera
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/sports/phillies/Ryan-Howards-attorney-threatens-to-sue-Al-Jazeera.html

Nationals issue statement supporting Ryan Zimmerman amid allegations of PED use
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2015/12/27/nationals-issue-statement-supporting-ryan-zimmerman-amid-allegations-of-ped-use/

[tomjonesrocks]

ESPN is in town to do the game tomorrow night, so it was very easy to talk to Peyton about this, AND Ryan Howard's attorney threatens to sue Al Jazeera http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/sports/phillies/Ryan-Howards-attorney-threatens-to-sue-Al-Jazeera.html Nationals issue statement supporting Ryan Zimmerman amid allegations of PED use https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2015/12/27/nationals-issue-statement-supporting-ryan-zimmerman-amid-allegations-of-ped-use/

Personally I don't see how Manning being outraged and saying as much makes him look MORE guilty.

I don't know if he did or didn't do it - but is everyone just supposed to say nothing when innocent?

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 7h

Dr Guyer, who treated Manning, responds in part: "In fact, I can say with absolute certainty (the allegations) are not (true)."

[TimHippo]

Personally I don't see how Manning being outraged and saying as much makes him look MORE guilty.

I don't know if he did or didn't do it - but is everyone just supposed to say nothing when innocent?

If you actually watch the documentary, and it seems like most people haven't, the section on Peyton Manning is very small. And his performance enhancing is strictly tied to his possibly career ending neck injury.

Guys like Packer LB Mike Neal and Dustin Keller are implicated greater as guys who built their whole career on PEDs so that they can make millions of dollars.

But the way Manning's team is approaching it you would think the whole documentary is about Peyton Manning's PED use. I just think in these situations you shouldn't say too much and you shouldn't get overly emotional if you have nothing to hide. Getting too defensive about it makes you look like you are guilty.

[TimHippo]

Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 7h

Dr Guyer, who treated Manning, responds in part: "In fact, I can say with absolute certainty (the allegations) are not (true)."

Well, yeah Guyer would have to say that because the government is going to shut him down. His whole practice is in trouble regardless of the outcome of Manning's guilt or innocence.

[Dapper Dan]

If you actually watch the documentary, and it seems like most people haven't, the section on Peyton Manning is very small. And his performance enhancing is strictly tied to his possibly career ending neck injury.

Guys like Packer LB Mike Neal and Dustin Keller are implicated greater as guys who built their whole career on PEDs so that they can make millions of dollars.

But the way Manning's team is approaching it you would think the whole documentary is about Peyton Manning's PED use. I just think in these situations you shouldn't say too much and you shouldn't get overly emotional if you have nothing to hide. Getting too defensive about it makes you look like you are guilty.

We are talking mostly about Peyton Manning because he plays for the Broncos. Peyton Manning is talking mostly about Peyton Manning because he is Peyton Manning. It doesn't matter how much time was spent on him in the documentary.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/indianapolis-colts-peyton-manning-hgh-accusation-statement-released-122715

[TimHippo]

We are talking mostly about Peyton Manning because he plays for the Broncos. Peyton Manning is talking mostly about Peyton Manning because he is Peyton Manning. It doesn't matter how much time was spent on him in the documentary.

I'm not talking about what we are talking about. That's irrelevant.

It's more Manning going on ESPN and giving an overly emotional response which is dominating the news media compared to the other guys (Dustin Keller, James Harrison, Mike Neal, Clay Matthews (pain killer), Travis Teagarden, Julius Peppers, etc, etc) who have hardly said anything.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

I'm not talking about what we are talking about. That's irrelevant.

It's more Manning going on ESPN and giving an overly emotional response which is dominating the news media compared to the other guys (Dustin Keller, James Harrison, Mike Neal, Clay Matthews (pain killer), Travis Teagarden, Julius Peppers, etc, etc) who have hardly said anything.

Once again, ESPN is in Denver, as they are broadcasting the game tomorrow night. How would it have looked if Peyton refused to talk with ESPN's sideline reporter? I hardly believe that Peyton ran up to her, and ask her to talk to him about this on air.

[broncobryce]

Lot's of athletes use steroids to recover from injury. I wouldn't be shocked at all if this was true

[TimHippo]

Once again, ESPN is in Denver, as they are broadcasting the game tomorrow night. How would it have looked if Peyton refused to talk with ESPN's sideline reporter? I hardly believe that Peyton ran up to her, and ask her to talk to him about this on air.

They have ESPN/Fox/NBC, etc sideline reporters in every city. It sounds like Peyton's team specifically asked for this interview to address the issue which is fine. But I think that getting so emotional was the wrong tactic by his team/Ari Fleisher. You look at someone like James Harrison and all he did was say that "I've never failed a test" Succinct, true and to the point.

[Poet]

They have ESPN/Fox/NBC, etc sideline reporters in every city. It sounds like Peyton's team specifically asked for this interview to address the issue which is fine. But I think that getting so emotional was the wrong tactic by his team/Ari Fleisher. You look at someone like James Harrison and all he did was say that "I've never failed a test" Succinct, true and to the point.

But we know that testing has always lagged behind what the cheaters are doing. Bonds stayed ahead of the game by having a close relationship with the guys who made the shit. Harrison is also not Peyton Manning; the story led with Manning because Manning is one of the most important players in the history of the NFL. Harrison is just one of the better defensive players of his generation. He's probably not a Hall of Famer.

[TimHippo]

But we know that testing has always lagged behind what the cheaters are doing. Bonds stayed ahead of the game by having a close relationship with the guys who made the shit. Harrison is also not Peyton Manning; the story led with Manning because Manning is one of the most important players in the history of the NFL. Harrison is just one of the better defensive players of his generation. He's probably not a Hall of Famer.

But that only holds if you actually are on something and are later found out by new tests.

If you aren't on anything you really have nothing to fear by saying I've never tested positive for anything which is true.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

They have ESPN/Fox/NBC, etc sideline reporters in every city. It sounds like Peyton's team specifically asked for this interview to address the issue which is fine. But I think that getting so emotional was the wrong tactic by his team/Ari Fleisher. You look at someone like James Harrison and all he did was say that "I've never failed a test" Succinct, true and to the point.

ESPN stated that they would have an exclusive interview with Peyton at 11:00 ET. It was at least an hour later than that when Lisa spoke with Peyton, and why - because he was going thru his throwing routine. Sure does not sound to me that the Broncos or Peyton were all that excited about having Peyton talk to ESPN. If Peyton's team ask for this interview, why did they make ESPN wait?

[Dapper Dan]

But that only holds if you actually are on something and are later found out by new tests.

If you aren't on anything you really have nothing to fear by saying I've never tested positive for anything which is true.

So your issue is that he's angry and that he said too much?

[Poet]

But that only holds if you actually are on something and are later found out by new tests.

If you aren't on anything you really have nothing to fear by saying I've never tested positive for anything which is true.

No. It holds if you haven't done anything and you want to clear your name. A lawsuit is a pretty good way to clear your name.

[TimHippo]

ESPN stated that they would have an exclusive interview with Peyton at 11:00 ET. It was at least an hour later than that when Lisa spoke with Peyton, and why - because he was going thru his throwing routine. Sure does not sound to me that the Broncos or Peyton were all that excited about having Peyton talk to ESPN. If Peyton's team ask for this interview, why did they make ESPN wait?

Who knows. You might have to rehearse. Think of what you are going to say. Be nervous about the interview. Want to put it off. Plenty of reasons.

But the fact that ESPN said they would have an exclusive interview with Manning indicates that it wasn't just a oh a reporter bumped into Manning as he was coming off the practice field, let's ask him what he thinks about it.

The fact that team Manning hired crisis manager Ari Fleisher sometime last night seems to indicate that they have a coordinated plan on how to handle this and that today's interview wasn't a spur of the moment, impromptu thing.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/12/27/peyton-manning-adds-ari-fleischer-to-hgh-allegation-p-r-effort/

[TimHippo]

So your issue is that he's angry and that he said too much?

I think that wasn't the smartest way to go. It makes him look guilty. And if you read comments around the net by neutrals you are seeing alot of people coming down hard on Peyton comparing him to Lance Armstrong or Roger Clemens already and commenting that it makes deflategate seem like a joke.

If you look at Ari Fleisher's trackrecord as a crisis manager it isn't the best. While it is fair to point out that you have a tough task to begin with when there is a crisis, I think Fliesher has made things much worse in some cases.

[Dapper Dan]

I think that wasn't the smartest way to go. It makes him look guilty. And if you read comments around the net by neutrals you are seeing alot of people coming down hard on Peyton comparing him to Lance Armstrong or Roger Clemens already and commenting that it makes deflategate seem like a joke.

If you look at Ari Fleisher's trackrecord as a crisis manager it isn't the best. While it is fair to point out that you have a tough task to begin with when there is a crisis, I think Fliesher has made things much worse in some cases.

I think if he would have seemed calm he would have looked guilty. If he didn't say much at all I think he would have looked guilty. I have no way to tell for sure who these neutral people are. I can't really see a fault in what Manning did. What he says and does right now will be forgotten a month or so from now.

[Simple Jaded]

I think it's obscenely stupid to question whether or not Manning should defend himself.

[Slick]

Well, yeah Guyer would have to say that because the government is going to shut him down. His whole practice is in trouble regardless of the outcome of Manning's guilt or innocence.

Why would his practice be in trouble? HGH isn't illegal if your doctor is prescribing it.

[chazoe60]

I think it's obscenely stupid to question whether or not Manning should defend himself.

Consider the source.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Meanwhile, Charlie Sly, the pharmacist cited in the documentary that will reportedly run on Al Jazeera, recanted his story to ESPN when he realized that it had used information he had "made up" to Liam Collins, a British hurdler and the undercover reporter who he says was trying to get into the supplementation business.

Elsewhere in the ESPN report, Sly said he was a student intern at The Guyer Institute in 2013 rather than 2011 as the Al Jazeera story alleges and that he was "testing" Al Jazeera's undercover reporter by using "names like Peyton Manning, Derek Jeter, Ryan Howard and James Harrison."

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25427627/report-peyton-manning-turns-to-ari-fleischer-in-wake-of-hgh-doc

[tomjonesrocks]

So pretty annoying. The statement I viewed was here. Seemed like a pretty complete denial.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14442651/peyton-manning-denver-broncos-furious-disgusted-al-jazeera-report-again-denies-using-hgh

Then Huffpost throws an article up saying it's not a complete denial.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/peyton-manning-hgh-response_568070e0e4b06fa688806231?ncid=txtlnkusaol p00000592

Again no idea if he did or didn't but I'm not sure what someone has to do to throughly deny something, apparently.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/dec/27/peyton-manning-doping-claim-repudiated-al-jazeera-/

[tomjonesrocks]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/dec/27/peyton-manning-doping-claim-repudiated-al-jazeera-/

Witch hunt, bloodthirsty society.

Just can't wait to impugne and burn someone's reputation down regardless of murky evidence.

[TimHippo]

Elsewhere in the ESPN report, Sly said he was a student intern at The Guyer Institute in 2013 rather than 2011 as the Al Jazeera story alleges and that he was "testing" Al Jazeera's undercover reporter by using "names like Peyton Manning, Derek Jeter, Ryan Howard and James Harrison."

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25427627/report-peyton-manning-turns-to-ari-fleischer-in-wake-of-hgh-doc

Derek Jeter was never mentioned in Liam Collins' Al Jazeera Documentary. Looks like Sly can't even get his lies straight.

[Hawgdriver]

Yeah how can we not trust the TV network that said showing the face of a terrorist was disrespectful to the TERRORIST.

That's telling, but I keep in mind that one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.

[Poet]

The sad part about ALJ is that it's a better source than a lot of the other shitty news outlets in America.

Chaz, with that being said, amen.

[Poet]

I know a lot of UK conservatives who get their news from there because they believe the BBC is to socialist and left wing

BBC is usually pretty good. I mean to be honest, every news source is going to suck ass. This isn't to excuse them for sucking ass. Because they suck ass. Ass sucking. That's what they do. They do it. Yep. I know a lot of libertarians in my area who is ALJ America because it doesn't grade out too poorly.

[TimHippo]

The long time beat reporter for the Indiana Pacers and Colts, Bob Kravitz is admitting that Dr. Guyer and the Guyer institute prescribed him (Kravitz) HGH. Which would be illegal because HGH can only be prescribed for a) bowel problems (if you've had your bowel removed), b) HIV wasting, c) fertility issues. So regardless of the Manning stuff, this Dr. Guyer seems really shady.



"I’m going to share something with you: About a decade ago or more, I was dealing with several health issues and, in desperation, went to see Dr. Guyer at the Guyer Institute on 82nd Street. Guyer, and his practice, are currently at the center of this growing scandal. My primary complaint was overwhelming and relentless fatigue, and after trying several different remedies, Guyer put me on HGH for a couple of months. He told me it would help with my energy and basically bring me back to the land of the living. Unfortunately, it had zero impact – except on my bank account."
http://www.wthr.com/story/30834539/kravitz-if-allegations-against-manning-are-true-another-sports-icon-takes-a-fall

[sneakers]

I wish he would take HGH

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Al Jazeera sucks. ...that is all.

[BroncoWave]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25427627/report-peyton-manning-turns-to-ari-fleischer-in-wake-of-hgh-doc

FWIW, just because he is recanting the story now doesn't mean he was lying when he said it. Saying what he did on video is a HIPPA violation and could get him in serious trouble, so he could just be "recanting" now to save his own ass.

[Slick]

The long time beat reporter for the Indiana Pacers and Colts, Bob Kravitz is admitting that Dr. Guyer and the Guyer institute prescribed him (Kravitz) HGH. Which would be illegal because HGH can only be prescribed for a) bowel problems (if you've had your bowel removed), b) HIV wasting, c) fertility issues. So regardless of the Manning stuff, this Dr. Guyer seems really shady.



"I’m going to share something with you: About a decade ago or more, I was dealing with several health issues and, in desperation, went to see Dr. Guyer at the Guyer Institute on 82nd Street. Guyer, and his practice, are currently at the center of this growing scandal. My primary complaint was overwhelming and relentless fatigue, and after trying several different remedies, Guyer put me on HGH for a couple of months. He told me it would help with my energy and basically bring me back to the land of the living. Unfortunately, it had zero impact – except on my bank account."
http://www.wthr.com/story/30834539/kravitz-if-allegations-against-manning-are-true-another-sports-icon-takes-a-fall

Not necessarily. Google is HGH legal. There are many reports that contradict your statement.

[VonDoom]

I haven't read through this whole thread, so I'm not sure if this was mentioned on TV, but Peter King leads his column today with the Manning story:


“I was a good patient,” Manning said. “Basically, they told me I had to do this an hour a day, Monday through Friday, for 35 consecutive [week] days. Every day I’d start there before I went to the Colts facility. So that’s how long I did it, every day. I remember I watched a lot of Hoda and Kathie Lee.

“Every treatment I did, I did with the knowledge and cooperation of the Colts. Never did I do anything outside the rules. Damn straight I’d never do anything outside the rules. I know how hard I’ve worked to play in this league for 18 years. For this jerk [Sly] to insinuate I cut any corners, I cheated, I took shortcuts, is outrageous. Damn outrageous.

“I’m getting emotional now. But I know what I did. And I did nothing illegal.”

Al Jazeera reported the transport of HGH was from Guyer to Ashley Manning, who has not commented on the allegations. Peyton Manning said the insinuation that HGH was shipped to his wife to disguise that he was getting it “sickens me.” He said her medical information was personal, and he would not discuss it.

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2015/12/28/peyton-manning-hgh-allegations-nfl-week-16-upsets

[Denver Native (Carol)]

I haven't read through this whole thread, so I'm not sure if this was mentioned on TV, but Peter King leads his column today with the Manning story:



http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2015/12/28/peyton-manning-hgh-allegations-nfl-week-16-upsets

Here is what Peyton said yesterday when Lisa from ESPN spoke to him

http://www.denverbroncos.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Peyton-Manning-Accusations-are-fabricated-complete-trash-garbage/eb6d406a-c3af-4886-ab03-6a577a9ee988

[TimHippo]

It's been confirmed that Charlie Sly was one of Dustin Keller's best friends in high school in Lafayette, Indiana and that they were teammates on the high school basketball team. So at least that part of Charlie Sly's comments checks out when he was bragging to the British undercover reporter/athlete.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/12/28/meet-charlie-sly-the-man-telling-and-recanting-tales-about-doping-peyton-manning-and-ryan-zimmerman/

[artie_dale]

So, its it worth continuing to discuss even after Sly, an INTERN, recanted his story? OR, can any Joe Schmoe make up accusations that is put in a documentary, and it get treated as if it was legit for a day, and even after Joe Schmoe recants his allegations, we people or the media will continue to talk about it as if it is legit until... what or when? Is that a problem we spectators bring to the table but can prevent, or is it the media's problem to continue to discuss or end it?

[TimHippo]

So, its it worth continuing to discuss even after Sly, an INTERN, recanted his story? OR, can any Joe Schmoe make up accusations that is put in a documentary, and it get treated as if it was legit for a day, and even after Joe Schmoe recants his allegations, we people or the media will continue to talk about it as if it is legit until... what or when? Is that a problem we spectators bring to the table but can prevent, or is it the media's problem to continue to discuss or end it?

Have you seen the documentary and the recantation? He sounds guilty as ... when recanting. The guy is screwed either way because he is dealing stuff for sure and at the very least pro baseball player Taylor Teagarden was caught on video with him. He will probably turn government informant because everyone is going to try to distance themselves from this guy. Whether any of the other allegations are true or not, of course the guy is going to try to recant, his career disippation light just went into highgear.

[artie_dale]

Have you seen the documentary and the recantation? He sounds guilty as ... when recanting. The guy is screwed either way because he is dealing stuff for sure and at the very least pro baseball player Taylor Teagarden was caught on video with him. He will probably turn government informant because everyone is going to try to distance themselves from this guy. Whether any of the other allegations are true or not, of course the guy is going to try to recant, his career disippation light just went into highgear.

No, I haven't seen the documentary. Wasn't going to waste my time if there is false info in there. Kinda makes the credibility of it all just moot, to me.

[TimHippo]

No, I haven't seen the documentary. Wasn't going to waste my time if there is false info in there. Kinda makes the credibility of it all just moot, to me.

Well you probably should if you are going to form an opinion on it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJRPxmTuxoI

[Denver Native (Carol)]

So, its it worth continuing to discuss even after Sly, an INTERN, recanted his story? OR, can any Joe Schmoe make up accusations that is put in a documentary, and it get treated as if it was legit for a day, and even after Joe Schmoe recants his allegations, we people or the media will continue to talk about it as if it is legit until... what or when? Is that a problem we spectators bring to the table but can prevent, or is it the media's problem to continue to discuss or end it?

To some, it will be the new wave of thinking - "GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT"

[Buff]

No, I haven't seen the documentary. Wasn't going to waste my time if there is false info in there. Kinda makes the credibility of it all just moot, to me.

I have no idea as to this guy's credibility - but just because he recanted his statement doesn't necessarily make it false. That chick who Greg Hardy beat up recanted her statement - but was pretty obviously paid to do so - which doesn't change the reality of her initial report.

Not saying I have any idea whether the claims are true - just that this guy recanting his statement doesn't necessarily make them false.

[Timmy!]

FWIW, Clay Mathews pretty much tore this guy a new one when asked about it after the Packer game yesterday. Dude is about to get sued into oblivion.

[TimHippo]

FWIW, Clay Mathews pretty much tore this guy a new one when asked about it after the Packer game yesterday. Dude is about to get sued into oblivion.

It's probably not even worth it to be honest. Cost of the suit will probably be more than what he has in his bank account.

Feds will probably just move in and send him to jail for dealing PEDs. Plus he basically just lost all his business. No one will want to buy PEDs from the guy.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

FWIW, Clay Mathews pretty much tore this guy a new one when asked about it after the Packer game yesterday. Dude is about to get sued into oblivion.


GLENDALE, Ariz. — Peyton Manning got "sick and nauseous" to know he was included in an Al Jazeera report that claimed to expose current NFL players allegedly using human growth hormone.

As for Clay Matthews, who was the target of similar allegations while at USC, he called BS on being tied to HGH again.

The Packers' linebacker didn't hold back, fresh off being frustrated in his team's 38-8 loss in Arizona.

"I think it is bulls--t," Matthews said. "I mean to be completely honest with you, it's 100 percent falsified and fabricated information. I don't know who this guy is. I couldn't tell you what he looks like. I have never talked to him ro communicated with him, so for him to bring my name up like that out of thin air is bulls--t for a lack fo a better term."

The guy to whom Matthews is referring is pharmacist Charlie Sly, who already told ESPN he "made up" the story on Manning getting HGH while recovering from neck surgery four years ago.

rest - http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl-news/4689280-clay-matthews-packers-hgh-report-reaction-al-jazeera-nfl-players-peyton-manning

[TimHippo]

rest - http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl-news/4689280-clay-matthews-packers-hgh-report-reaction-al-jazeera-nfl-players-peyton-manning


That sporting news report gives the impression that Clay Mathews is tied to HGH in the latest documentary but actually, Clay Matthews was never implicated for HGH in the Al Jazeera documentary compared to the other atheltes. The only thing his name was brought up for was pain killers related to his injuries. In fact Charles Sly made a point of saying that Clay was not tied to HGH or any PEDs.

[GEM]

INCLUDING the most prolific offense in history. I could have farted those ducks out of my ass and made records with all the weapons we had.

:laugh: Riiiiight.... :lol: Oh man...

[GEM]

We'll see. It just seems like he's the only one who is overly upset about this and making alot of noise. It's like drawing all this attention to yourself and making it worse IMO.
All the other guys in the documentary who have been accused of stuff are laying low and being quiet.

Ya know....no matter how they act, someone is going to say it's too much or that it isn't enough and because of their reaction, they are guilty.

If they egregiously react...ohhhh they're guilty!!

If they calmly deny and move on.....ohhhh they're guilty!!

Kind of silly.

[GEM]

They have ESPN/Fox/NBC, etc sideline reporters in every city. It sounds like Peyton's team specifically asked for this interview to address the issue which is fine. But I think that getting so emotional was the wrong tactic by his team/Ari Fleisher. You look at someone like James Harrison and all he did was say that "I've never failed a test" Succinct, true and to the point.

Which athlete is the media making a big deal over? Manning.

Didn't even know Peppers or Matthews were implicated....because the media isn't creating a circus over them.

[artie_dale]

Well you probably should if you are going to form an opinion on it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJRPxmTuxoI

Does the documentary point out which information is factual and which isn't? Or, is all the conclusions influenced by the recanted story Sly apparently used to test the investigator? Because if it is all used in a way that implies the non-facts are facts, then no, I shouldn't have to watch it to form an opinion. I can have an opinion based on the fact that Sly recanted. If he's an honest guy, his recant is what is relevant. If he's a dishonest guy, his original story is just as credible as his recant. If this documentary relies on his credibility, then the documentary's credibility is in question.

[GEM]

FWIW, just because he is recanting the story now doesn't mean he was lying when he said it. Saying what he did on video is a HIPPA violation and could get him in serious trouble, so he could just be "recanting" now to save his own ass.

Recanting won't save him from a HIPAA violation. You cannot under any circumstance discuss or release patient information...even with the patient's permission. Say your brother is in the hospital, even if you tell them, if someone calls to check on me, please release the info, they have to come to the hospital and give you the info yourself unless you are under duress and it is next of kin. The only info that can be released is yes, they are in this hospital. That's it.

[TimHippo]

Does the documentary point out which information is factual and which isn't? Or, is all the conclusions influenced by the recanted story Sly apparently used to test the investigator? Because if it is all used in a way that implies the non-facts are facts, then no, I shouldn't have to watch it to form an opinion. I can have an opinion based on the fact that Sly recanted. If he's an honest guy, his recant is what is relevant. If he's a dishonest guy, his original story is just as credible as his recant. If this documentary relies on his credibility, then the documentary's credibility is in question.

Why don't you watch the documentary. Sly is just one of many experts, doctors, peddlers and enforcement officials that are featured in the documentary.

The documentary focuses on Manning for only around 2 minutes out of 50 but people are making it seem like the whole documentary is on Sly and Manning. If anything the most damning things to come out of the documentary are on 265 lbs Packer linebacker Gary Neal and Cub catcher Taylor Teagarden.

[TimHippo]

Recanting won't save him from a HIPAA violation. You cannot under any circumstance discuss or release patient information...even with the patient's permission. Say your brother is in the hospital, even if you tell them, if someone calls to check on me, please release the info, they have to come to the hospital and give you the info yourself unless you are under duress and it is next of kin. The only info that can be released is yes, they are in this hospital. That's it.

That guy is toast. Will probably disappear and turn up floating on the shores of Galveston.

[artie_dale]

Why don't you watch the documentary. Sly is just one of many experts, doctors, peddlers and enforcement officials that are featured in the documentary.

The documentary focuses on Manning for only around 2 minutes out of 50 but people are making it seem like the whole documentary is on Sly and Manning. If anything the most damning things to come out of the documentary are on 265 lbs Packer linebacker Gary Neal and Cub catcher Taylor Teagarden.

It just erks me how the media will take a morsel of something and explode it into something it is not. For the past 2 days, that's what it seems like. Maybe this was just a publicity stunt to get the documentary attention so people could watch it. I don't know. All I know is, the media (sports media) is failing on this in my opinion. All I heard this morning while I was getting to work was "Well, it was back in 2011, he said 'this', but he recanted it all the other day for 'this' apparent reason. But, who knows?!?!?! It still could be 'this'. But he was adamant that it wasn't 'this'. Because his credibility is in question whether he told the truth, how can we believe that he didn't????"

F$#k all of that. Is all there needs to be for news to be breaking is allegations? Even after an apparent recant? No thanks. I'll get caught up more in it all when actual facts surface. I'm not one to use up my time to speculate.

[BroncoWave]

I have no idea as to this guy's credibility - but just because he recanted his statement doesn't necessarily make it false. That chick who Greg Hardy beat up recanted her statement - but was pretty obviously paid to do so - which doesn't change the reality of her initial report.

Not saying I have any idea whether the claims are true - just that this guy recanting his statement doesn't necessarily make them false.

Exactly. People recant statements all the time to either cover themselves or because they were paid off or any number of reasons.

[TimHippo]

It just erks me how the media will take a morsel of something and explode it into something it is not. For the past 2 days, that's what it seems like. Maybe this was just a publicity stunt to get the documentary attention so people could watch it. I don't know. All I know is, the media (sports media) is failing on this in my opinion. All I heard this morning while I was getting to work was "Well, it was back in 2011, he said 'this', but he recanted it all the other day for 'this' apparent reason. But, who knows?!?!?! It still could be 'this'. But he was adamant that it wasn't 'this'. Because his credibility is in question whether he told the truth, how can we believe that he didn't????"

F$#k all of that. Is all there needs to be for news to be breaking is allegations? Even after an apparent recant? No thanks. I'll get caught up more in it all when actual facts surface. I'm not one to use up my time to speculate.

This isn't going to go away anytime soon. Will probably go on for a long time.
I just wish that the Broncos would wake up and start Manning for the rest of the season. This is no way for Peyton to go out.

[BroncoWave]

Recanting won't save him from a HIPAA violation. You cannot under any circumstance discuss or release patient information...even with the patient's permission. Say your brother is in the hospital, even if you tell them, if someone calls to check on me, please release the info, they have to come to the hospital and give you the info yourself unless you are under duress and it is next of kin. The only info that can be released is yes, they are in this hospital. That's it.

Yeah, I'm not saying that recanting will make him safe from HIPPA, but I have no doubt that he would at least try to save himself by recanting.

[TimHippo]

Exactly. People recant statements all the time to either cover themselves or because they were paid off or any number of reasons.

I think in this case it's obvious. Sly was taped undercover saying a bunch of things. And that was exposed on the documentary so of course he's going to recant because he never meant for any of this to get out to the public.

This isn't a case of him saying something publicly and then recanting it later.

It seems like alot of people commenting haven't seen the documentary and do not even really know what is going on.

[DenBronx]

I sort of want Manning to play again real soon. If he's healthy I think he's our best option. Plus if he's pissed off he will want to prove himself to the world.

He said in his interview the other day that "this year is interesting to say the least". I know he's not happy with this style of offense. So I expect him to come out guns blazing when he gets back just to prove to everyone he can still play, regardless of Kubiaks style offense.

[chazoe60]

I heard today on the radio that HGH is used in In Vitro Fertilization. The Mannings had twins that same year. I wonder if the Mannings had trouble getting pregnant and this is the route they went? I absolutely could see this being the case and I think this entire story is bordering on serious invasion of privacy issues. Bringing Manning's wife into this story is off limits in my opinion.

[Poet]

I heard today on the radio that HGH is used in In Vitro Fertilization. The Mannings had twins that same year. I wonder if the Mannings had trouble getting pregnant and this is the route they went? I absolutely could see this being the case and I think this entire story is bordering on serious invasion of privacy issues. Bringing Manning's wife into this story is off limits in my opinion.

Well said.

[TimHippo]

I heard today on the radio that HGH is used in In Vitro Fertilization. The Mannings had twins that same year. I wonder if the Mannings had trouble getting pregnant and this is the route they went? I absolutely could see this being the case and I think this entire story is bordering on serious invasion of privacy issues. Bringing Manning's wife into this story is off limits in my opinion.

There's only 3 ways you can get HGH legally.
1. Bowel complications (If you have had part of your bowel cut due to cancer or something).
2. HIV wasting
3. Infertility

In fact in the documentary another pharmicist/drug supplier encourages the British undercover reporter to say he is using the HGH for fertility if he ever gets caught when transporting the drugs to England.

[mouthofsouth]

Why was his wife getting medical shipments?

Don't know if there is a connection, but she had the twins in March 2011. One of the reasons Peyton could be so angry is it is possible fertility drugs were involved, and this is getting close to infringing on their (her) medical privacy involving the birth of the twins. Please, just speculatiion on my part. I fully support Peyton in this.

[TimHippo]

Transcript Of Al Jazeera's Call To Confirm Manning Accuser's Employment
"The clinic originally told reporters that Charlie Sly worked there in 2011. It now disputes that confirmation."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/al-jazeera-peyton-manning-transcript_56814cf4e4b0b958f659d99c

[BroncoWave]

These are comments from one of Al-Jazeera's investigative reporters. I have to admit, this is a pretty compelling point.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CXWD8FRWQAAP5yx.jpg:large

[LawDog]

There's only 3 ways you can get HGH legally.
1. Bowel complications (If you have had part of your bowel cut due to cancer or something).
2. HIV wasting
3. Infertility

In fact in the documentary another pharmicist/drug supplier encourages the British undercover reporter to say he is using the HGH for fertility if he ever gets caught when transporting the drugs to England.

Stop spewing this nonsense. I know from personal experience with my son that HGH can be legally prescribed for other reasons than the three you list. Not sure where you are getting your info from but. Just. Stop.

[Northman]

The way i look at is like this, if Peyton is guilty it will be found out eventually even if it happens after he has retired. Virtually every athlete who has been rumored to have doped up has been outed eventually.

[mouthofsouth]

It is very clear to me, and I am surprised no one else can see this: The birth of the twins was very mysterious at the time. No one knew Ashley was pregnant; she was very private about it. If she received meds from that clinic, I believe they were her meds, and now her privacy, which she values so much, is being violated. That is why Peyton is so angry and that is why he won't tell the whole story.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

It is very clear to me, and I am surprised no one else can see this: The birth of the twins was very mysterious at the time. No one knew Ashley was pregnant; she was very private about it. If she received meds from that clinic, I believe they were her meds, and now her privacy, which she values so much, is being violated. That is why Peyton is so angry and that is why he won't tell the whole story.

I hope he sues al Jazeera

[Nomad]

I trust Manning didn't do anything wrong, but if he sues, his and his family's privacy goes out the window. It's something he values so much.

[GEM]

Yeah, I'm not saying that recanting will make him safe from HIPPA, but I have no doubt that he would at least try to save himself by recanting.

They will yank his medical license. He's an idiot.

He was an intern there 2 years after he states he worked there and the HGH was delivered. Many parts of his story just don't jive. I hope Manning does go after him...deservedly so.

[Northman]

I trust Manning didn't do anything wrong, but if he sues, his and his family's privacy goes out the window. It's something he values so much.

I guess that is something he will have to tangle with. If he doesnt sue the questions will remain with a cloud over his head of whether or not he was involved. At least by sueing he would clear the matter up.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Don't know if there is a connection, but she had the twins in March 2011. One of the reasons Peyton could be so angry is it is possible fertility drugs were involved, and this is getting close to infringing on their (her) medical privacy involving the birth of the twins. Please, just speculatiion on my part. I fully support Peyton in this.

I totally agree with you, and had mentioned that earlier, that they were married in 2001, and the twins were born in March of 2011. Definitely a possibility that they turned to this to aid in having children. If that is correct, it definitely infringes on Ashley's medical privacy, as well as stating that hgh for Peyton was shipped to Ashley.

Also, I think there was a post on here that said something like hgh is only used for 3 things, and infertility is not one of them. Well it certainly is, according to this http://www.antiagingresearch.com/hgh_and_Hormones.shtml

[TimHippo]

Stop spewing this nonsense. I know from personal experience with my son that HGH can be legally prescribed for other reasons than the three you list. Not sure where you are getting your info from but. Just. Stop.

Calm down. We are talking about for adults. That should be obvious from the context of pro athletes or if you had watched the documentary. Yeah kids can get it for growth but adults can't get that. There's only 3 ways for adults as previously listed. Go look it up.

[TimHippo]

They will yank his medical license. He's an idiot.

He was an intern there 2 years after he states he worked there and the HGH was delivered. Many parts of his story just don't jive. I hope Manning does go after him...deservedly so.

That's incorrect. The guer institute confirmed that sly was there during the relevant time during a fact check before this all blew up. See previous post

[TimHippo]

I trust Manning didn't do anything wrong, but if he sues, his and his family's privacy goes out the window. It's something he values so much.

I doubt he sues because it's very hard to win slander:libel for a public figure vs a news org. He would likely lose and just have his privacy exposed.

[ShaneFalco]

so i went onto patsfans and told them they are crazy since they all believe peyton is 100% guilty. Funny how that works.

They told me i belong in prison.

And my reply was "maybe i will get a cell next to Aaron Hernandez".

/Troll Complete.

[GEM]

That's incorrect. The guer institute confirmed that sly was there during the relevant time during a fact check before this all blew up. See previous post


INDIANAPOLIS - The founder of an Indianapolis medical clinic says the man who claimed Peyton Manning used HGH in 2011 did not even work there until two years later and "fabricated" his allegations.

Dr. Dale Guyer, who started The Guyer Institute, says "with absolute certainty" that the allegations about Manning are false.

The accusations are in a report by Al Jazeera, based on secret recordings of an unpaid student intern at the facility. Charles Sly now says he fabricated those stories.

Guyer said Sly was a pharmacy student in Nevada in 2011, when Manning was undergoing treatment, and that Sly did not begin working at the clinic until Feb. 18, 2013. Guyer said Sly also has had no affiliation with the institute since the unpaid internship ended in May 2013.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/guyer-institute-claims-employee-made-accusations-manning-didnt-210454675--nfl.html

Now...who is to say that Al Jazeera didn't make up that phone call? It's not like it's a written and signed documented Verification of Employment. Hell, we don't even accept verbal verifications of employment(VOE) for renting apartments or qualifying for loans anymore. We have to paper trail where we got the info to send the VOE and a signed authorization. Print a copy of the white pages listing or screenshot the contact page on the website, etc. VVOE (Verbal Verifications of Employment) are easily manipulated.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Not long ago, one of the reporters on ch9 was talking about this, and he said he talked with Peyton's representatives today in regards to if Peyton will sue, and the reporter said he was told if he does, it will be after the season is over.

[LawDog]

Calm down. We are talking about for adults. That should be obvious from the context of pro athletes or if you had watched the documentary. Yeah kids can get it for growth but adults can't get that. There's only 3 ways for adults as previously listed. Go look it up.

There are multiple uses "off-label" for lawful prescriptions for hgh for adults. Specifically, in relation to fertility is an off-label, non FDA approved use, yet you list it as one of the only three legal ways of prescribing it. Also, why do you assume that my son was a child when prescribed? Stick to offering your opinion on the validity of the original claim or the credibility of Manning's denial, the pharmacology points are not your strong suit.

[BroncoJoe]

Hippo doesn't have a strong suit.

EDIT: Que hippo whining about a personal attack.

[Poet]

Hunting for Hippo!

[Northman]

Apparently that shit hole Tom Brady supports Manning 100%.

[Poet]

Apparently that shit hole Tom Brady supports Manning 100%.

What if he did it (I'm not saying he did or didn't) would that change Manning's status in your eyes?

[Northman]

What if he did it (I'm not saying he did or didn't) would that change Manning's status in your eyes?

I have no idea if he did or didnt. I made a post a couple of pages back that most times when a player is attached to these kinds of things they are often found guilty. So history would say he is most likely guilty. BUT, this maybe something that takes a long while to figure out and confirm. Bonds, A-ROD, Lance Armstrong, McGwire, The pitcher for Boston that i cant remember his name at the moment, all got confirmed after they were away from their respective sports.

As for me? I said earlier i can see him using it considering the injury he was coming from but in terms of any kind of "asterisk" it wont be any different than it is for the Patriots right now. There is no "asterisk" attached to them but in the people's minds there are and if Peyton is guilty it will simply be a matter of fan perspective and i highly doubt any records will be taken away, etc..

[Ravage!!!]

For me... I know that the HGH and the steroids don't make players "better." They can't make you put the bat on the ball, they can't make you throw better, and they can't make you read a defense. So, my opinion of Manning would be no different than any other player that has been caught using HGH....... nothing has changed. Sure, it helps a player heal faster, thus not miss as many games....so that would definitely help baseball players break records. But we know the past players used drugs, as well. They just weren't tested for it.

So I wouldn't look at Manning differently. He didn't do anything to cheat the game. I personally, would be in favor of letting players/people use HGH if they wanted, and wouldn't make it illegal..anyway.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Apparently that shit hole Tom Brady supports Manning 100%.

Of course he does, he REALLY knows what it feels like to be accused of cheating. He probably gave Manning a long list of do's and dont's, drawing from his long history of crimes against the integrity of the game.

But that's just a guess

[Poet]

For me... I know that the HGH and the steroids don't make players "better." They can't make you put the bat on the ball, they can't make you throw better, and they can't make you read a defense. So, my opinion of Manning would be no different than any other player that has been caught using HGH....... nothing has changed. Sure, it helps a player heal faster, thus not miss as many games....so that would definitely help baseball players break records. But we know the past players used drugs, as well. They just weren't tested for it.

So I wouldn't look at Manning differently. He didn't do anything to cheat the game. I personally, would be in favor of letting players/people use HGH if they wanted, and wouldn't make it illegal..anyway.

Steroids did help turn Canseco into a home run machine. They helped make Bonds a better home run hitter, too. I think they help players evolve their game, steroids that is. But a lot of guys were on roids and didn't do shit. So I'm not sure there's a hard and fast rule on them.

But you're not wrong anymore than I am right. Or vice versa. IDK, part of the issue I have with it is that it creates the question in the first place.

[Northman]

Of course he does, he REALLY knows what it feels like to be accused of cheating. He probably gave Manning a long list of do's and dont's, drawing from his long history of crimes against the integrity of the game.

But that's just a guess

Well, Missy was reading the article that reference Brady's response and he was asked if he had any advice for Peyton and he said something to the effect of "Peyton is a big boy, im sure he knows how to handle it" or something like that.

[silkamilkamonico]

Steroids can turn deep fly balls into home runs, 40 yard passes into 60 yard passes, 50 yard punts into 70 yard punts, give a 230 pound LB super human strength, and help speed up performance and recovery time significantly, which means a lot in a game where the body takes a pounding, so its complete garbage if he's on steroids and I would lose all respect for him. But I don't believe for one second that Manning took HGH or any illegal substance.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Well, Missy was reading the article that reference Brady's response and he was asked if he had any advice for Peyton and he said something to the effect of "Peyton is a big boy, im sure he knows how to handle it" or something like that.

Jeez Debbie downer, can't you just admit my post freakin funny?

[Poet]

Jeez Debbie downer, can't you just admit my post freakin funny?

You are about as funny as a doorknob.

[Northman]

Jeez Debbie downer, can't you just admit my post freakin funny?

You are always funny. I never denied that.

[Poet]

You are always funny. I never denied that.

Don't lie to him.

[TimHippo]

There are multiple uses "off-label" for lawful prescriptions for hgh for adults. Specifically, in relation to fertility is an off-label, non FDA approved use, yet you list it as one of the only three legal ways of prescribing it. Also, why do you assume that my son was a child when prescribed? Stick to offering your opinion on the validity of the original claim or the credibility of Manning's denial, the pharmacology points are not your strong suit.

Fertilitys fine. We already said it was. Why are you still whining.

[TimHippo]

What if he did it (I'm not saying he did or didn't) would that change Manning's status in your eyes?

No. Because it would have only been for the broken neck recovery. Manning would be like the last guy who is juicing up.

[mouthofsouth]

The clinic involved says that Sly did not even work there in 2011. If that proves true, and it can be easily checked, it should settle the matter for good.

[LawDog]

Fertilitys fine. We already said it was. Why are you still whining.

#readingcomprehensionfail

[weazel]

the guy has already recanted his statements so this is old news but quite honestly if anyone had a major issue with their neck like Manning did and one of the doctors or trainers tell you that they could make your neck as good as new by using human growth hormone, you wouldn't go for it? Yeah right. I tell you this much, I would eat humans to get healthy enough to make $21 million a season.

[Northman]

the guy has already recanted his statements so this is old news but quite honestly if anyone had a major issue with their neck like Manning did and one of the doctors or trainers tell you that they could make your neck as good as new by using human growth hormone, you wouldn't go for it? Yeah right. I tell you this much, I would eat humans to get healthy enough to make $21 million a season.

Absolutely.

[TimHippo]

#readingcomprehensionfail

Okay, dad.

Even daddy's using hashtags, not cool, lol

[TimHippo]

The clinic involved says that Sly did not even work there in 2011. If that proves true, and it can be easily checked, it should settle the matter for good.

He actually never worked there. Was just an unpaid intern so there's probably less records on his stay there to be honest though they did do a check with the clinc and the clinic said he worked there in 2011.

[TimHippo]

Technically even if manning was using hgh to rehabilitate broken neck it wasn't illegal because NFL locked out players so none of the NFL rules applied to the players during the period of the lock out.

Between that and the fact that the shipments were in the wife's name and really there no way to go after Peyton for any of this.

[GEM]

He actually never worked there. Was just an unpaid intern so there's probably less records on his stay there to be honest though they did do a check with the clinc and the clinic said he worked there in 2011.

They said they did a check with the clinic...

Ever pop into that head of yours that they could just maybe be making that up in order to bolster their bullshit report? Since everything else about it has turned out to be total bullshit.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

You are about as funny as a doorknob.

You probably have a variety of uses for a doorknob. That leaves a lot open for interpretation.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

From Saturday night to now, many people have taken a simple statement made by a single source in a Al Jazeera report — that Peyton Manning's wife received growth hormone in the mail — and turned it into a debate about whether Manning did illegal performance-enhancing drugs.

The main source on the hidden camera report, pharmacist Charlie Sly, has recanted, Manning has gotten angry, and everyone has rushed to judgment if Manning did or didn't do something against the rules. But in the full documentary, which tries to shed a light on athletes obtaining and using PEDs, some things are clear.

First of all, the documentary throws in Manning as almost an afterthought, because he is the biggest name that Sly talked about. It takes 40 minutes into the 50-minute documentary before the show starts focusing on the Denver Broncos quarterback. And second, there's no specific allegation against Manning. This is a point everyone has pretty much missed. The only thing that is said is growth hormone was sent to his wife, and then the report creatively suggests Peyton Manning has something to do with it. Manning isn't specifically accused of anything by Al Jazeera, the documentary just lets people come to that conclusion on their own.

On NBC's "Today" show on Tuesday, Al Jazeera reporter Deborah Davies, who was the narrator of the documentary, says that the show makes no allegations towards Manning.

"The only allegation in the program, from Charlie Sly, is that growth hormone was sent repeatedly from the Guyer to Ashley Manning in Florida," Davies said.

When asked if Al Jazeera had any evidence against Peyton Manning, Davies said there is none.

rest - plus video - http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/al-jazeera-reporter--we-made-no-allegations-against-peyton-manning-182545398.html

the whole article is interesting

[GEM]

rest - plus video - http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/al-jazeera-reporter--we-made-no-allegations-against-peyton-manning-182545398.html

the whole article is interesting

Distancing themselves, positioning for lawsuit.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

An Al Jazeera documentary released over the weekend suggested that Peyton Manning may have used banned performance enhancing drugs, but the reporter who anchored the film said Tuesday that it did not accuse Manning of anything.

Deborah Davies, the reporter behind Al Jazeera's "The Dark Side: Secrets of the Sports Dopers," said on the "Today" show that the documentary's primary source only accused Peyton Manning's wife, Ashley, of receiving shipments of human growth hormone.

"That's it," Davies said. "That's the allegation."

"Today" show co-host Savannah Guthrie pressed Davies, saying that the documentary attempted to "suggest something larger" about Peyton Manning possibly using a substance that is banned by the NFL and severely restricted under law.

Davies replied by noting that Manning, who has denied using HGH and said he might sue Al Jazeera, hasn't denied that his wife received the growth hormone shipments.

"I have not seen a denial," Davies said. Later in the interview, she repeated, "We are not making the allegation against Peyton Manning."

rest - just another dake on what Davies said on the Today show
http://money.cnn.com/2015/12/29/media/al-jazeera-peyton-manning/

[TimHippo]

rest - plus video - http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/al-jazeera-reporter--we-made-no-allegations-against-peyton-manning-182545398.html

the whole article is interesting

Nothing new. We've been saying from the first day that manning is just a small part of that documentary. The most damaging stuff goes to packer Mike Neal and Taylor Teagarden who are directly connected to hgh and d2.

Yet a lot of the media accuse clay Matthews of being in hgh where he is only linked to pain killers in the documentary.

[Davii]

Al Jazeera is trying desperately to claim they never said Peyton was getting HGH. I think a lawsuit is coming and they're worried.

[TimHippo]

Al Jazeera is trying desperately to claim they never said Peyton was getting HGH. I think a lawsuit is coming and they're worried.

They never said it. Watch the documentary.

They are happy if anything. This documentary has received way more publicity thrown it would have with all the media coverage.

[Davii]

They never said it. Watch the documentary.

They are happy if anything. This documentary has received way more publicity thrown it would have with all the media coverage.

They're about to get hammered

[GEM]

They never said it. Watch the documentary.

They are happy if anything. This documentary has received way more publicity thrown it would have with all the media coverage.

They insinuated. They released medical information on his wife and many others. They've broken laws and they'll be held accountable. They are posturing for lawsuit.

[mouthofsouth]

O
Yeah, I think he is a very good dude now and obviously more mature than he was in college, but everyone has skeletons in their closet, which was my main point in saying that he's not necessarily the golden boy who could never do anything wrong.

Only one Person Who ever lived on earth could never do anything wrong. We just celebrated His birthday.

[MOtorboat]

They insinuated. They released medical information on his wife and many others. They've broken laws and they'll be held accountable. They are posturing for lawsuit.

They may be posturing for a lawsuit, but they didn't break any laws. A media organization releasing medical information from a sourc is not a HIPPA violation. The person releasing that information, on the other hand...

A defamation case is the most likely suit here.

[Poet]

They may be posturing for a lawsuit, but they didn't break any laws. A media organization releasing medical information from a sourc is not a HIPPA violation. The person releasing that information, on the other hand...

A defamation case is the most likely suit here.

This is my understanding of the how it works, going back to my days as a quasi-journalist and from my legal studies, as well.

[BronColt]

Here is the link to the full interview of Al Jazeera reporter Deborah Davies, getting grilled by talk show hosts. Look at the fear on her face, defending her position but clearly knowing she is soon going to be at the center of a major lawsuit. She says the report didn't say Peyton Manning took HGH; but every aspect of the report INSINUATES it so there is no difference. You don't mention Peytons name in a report exclusively about doping in sports if you aren't trying to imply it!

http://deadspin.com/al-jazeera-reporter-defends-peyton-manning-hgh-report-o-1750120420?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=denver-broncos

I believe this is a publicity stunt by Al Jazeera to get their name in the spotlight. Al Jazeera broadcasts videos of EVERY ISIS beheading and all ISIS announcements that are made to the public. What better way to get Americans attention than to release something about a player who has dedicated his life to the integrity of the game, and get people to log on to their site where they will find ISIS recruiting and supporting articles and videos. This is a back door attempt at recruiting Americans to join ISIS plain and simple. When has Al Jazeera reported on anything of importance in the US...EVER? ISIS is getting their ass handed to them by the WORLD right now. Don't you think the timing of this article by Al Jazeera, an ISIS recruiting tool, is a little too coincidental?

http://money.cnn.com/2015/12/28/media/peyton-manning-al-jazeera-the-dark-side/index.html

I hope Peyton Manning sues them for every last dime they have left and then use that money to improve the quality of Papa Johns pizza so I can start eating there again.

[BroncoWave]

They may be posturing for a lawsuit, but they didn't break any laws. A media organization releasing medical information from a sourc is not a HIPPA violation. The person releasing that information, on the other hand...

A defamation case is the most likely suit here.

I honestly think Peyton would have a really hard time winning a defamation suit, and I really don't think he will wind up filing it. From what I understand of the documentary (I admittedly did not watch it) they never actually straight up accused him of using HGH or doing anything illegal. They might have insinuated certain things, but I don't think that would be sufficient cause for defamation, especially when you are taking about a public figure who has a higher burden of proving damages than a regular citizen does.

[LawDog]

I honestly think Peyton would have a really hard time winning a defamation suit, and I really don't think he will wind up filing it. From what I understand of the documentary (I admittedly did not watch it) they never actually straight up accused him of using HGH or doing anything illegal. They might have insinuated certain things, but I don't think that would be sufficient cause for defamation, especially when you are taking about a public figure who has a higher burden of proving damages than a regular citizen does.

Close but not quite. Public figures have an additional requirement to prove actual malice - in other words they must have known what they were saying was false. Damages are another thing altogether.

Here is a link that has a quick explanation of defamation (both slander and libel) that is easily understood.

http://www.expertlaw.com/library/personal_injury/defamation.html

[Poet]

Close but not quite. Public figures have an additional requirement to prove actual malice - in other words they must have known what they were saying was false. Damages are another thing altogether.

Here is a link that has a quick explanation of defamation (both slander and libel) that is easily understood.

http://www.expertlaw.com/library/personal_injury/defamation.html

Proving malice is really, really hard. I was going to post something to this effect, but you beat me to it.

From this content, and your name, are you an attorney, paralegal, or in law enforcement?

[LawDog]

Proving malice is really, really hard. I was going to post something to this effect, but you beat me to it.

From this content, and your name, are you an attorney, paralegal, or in law enforcement?

Let's just say 50 of me in a boat at the bottom of the sea is a good start.

[Poet]

Let's just say 50 of me in a boat at the bottom of the sea is a good start.

You're a drowned sailor from the Pirates of the Caribbean?

[LawDog]

You're a drowned sailor from the Pirates of the Caribbean?

Crewmember on the Flying Dutchman

[Hawgdriver]

Al Jazeera, an ISIS recruiting tool,

Is this a fact, or supposition?

[SR]

Is this a fact, or supposition? Fact, but they also have some legitimate news stuff too.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Fact, but they also have some legitimate news stuff too.

They can also stick their head in a toilet and hold their breath.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Troy Renck Retweeted
Denver Post Broncos ‏@PostBroncos 15h

Peyton Manning's wife could face a lower burden if legal action is taken vs. al-Jazeera: http://dpo.st/1IEZVLP
via @nickijhabvala

[Slick]

Am I the only one who really doesn't care about this story?

[BroncoJoe]

Am I the only one who really doesn't care about this story?

Nope.

[Buff]

Am I the only one who really doesn't care about this story?

No - I care surprisingly little about it as well. Partly because I've never been one to get up in arms about performance enhancers, and partly because I think we've all been forced to move on from Manning a bit in our heads based on his performance over the last year. And finally because he had 4 neck surgeries and I think there is a legitimate case to be made that he could be more justified than most if he did in fact use HGH.

[I Eat Staples]

Am I the only one who really doesn't care about this story?

I couldn't possibly care less. Honestly I never care that much about PEDs anyway, and in Manning's case it would actually make sense that he'd use HGH while recovering from neck surgery.

I'm 50/50 on whether or not I believe it, because again, it would make sense that he'd take HGH after neck surgery. But it makes no difference to me and doesn't change my opinion about him at all. I still think he's the greatest QB ever, and a great guy as well.

[Slick]

He's never failed a drug test and what he took when he was out of football recovering is between him and his doctor. Case closed.

[BronColt]

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