The Good and the Bad: Week 13

[BroncoWave]

Kind of a weird game today. Other than a few players, no one really stood out as being great or terrible today. Probably will be a short post here.

Good:

Von. By far our player of the game. Not much makes me happier than to see him repeatedly plant Phyllis on his ass.

DT. Nice rebound performance from last week. Caught every catchable ball thrown his way today. Would like to see more of that going forward.

Juwan. Did a really nice job coming off the bench replacing CJ today. Made some nice tough runs.

Defense. Other than Von it's hard to really single anyone else out who made a bunch of spectacular plays, but they were very solid overall holding a pretty good SD offense to only 3. Nice pressure on Rivers and timely turnovers.

Bad:

O-line. Oof. Did not give Brock alot of time today nor did they open up many holes in the running game. I shudder to think what would have happened to Manning behind this line today.

McManus/Colquitt. Not the best day for our kicking specialists. McM seems to be in a funk right now and Colquitt was highly mediocre as usual.


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Don't really have much more to say other than that. I'm seeing talk that Os opened the door for Manning to come back in but I still don't buy it. Didn't look as good as the last two weeks, but still did a fine job of managing the game especially given how much pressure he was under. Just as I saw no reason to bench Manning while he was winning, I see no reason to bench Brock while he is. Unless he starts throwing 2-3 picks a game like Manning, he should still be starting IMO.

I think the main reason for the offense stalling in the second half has to do with the whole team just kinda letting their foot off the gas and coasting in the rest of the way. Boring second half but I will take a 14 point win in a road divisional game every day of the week.

[Simple Jaded]

I think Osweiler has to fall on his face to go back to Manning, that's not what happened today.

I think Broncos fans might wanna start warming up to the notion that Denver is not motivated by setting offensive records anymore.

[BroncoWave]

For what it's worth, Brock's passer rating of 76.8 today was better than 5 of Manning's 9 starts this season. So Brock's worst game thus far was still better than almost half of Manning's starts this year.

[Northman]

Derek Carr looked like shit today too and he's had more starts and has a much better Oline. The Chargers are not as bad as their record indicates.

[WJK]

They must keep rolling with Brockembe. He's only going to get better. Definitely found a rhythm with DT today and gave us a good ball control type of game which is what you want up 14 on the road (if you could even call it that). All of this in spite of the SI cover jinx.

[VonDoom]

For what it's worth, Brock's passer rating of 76.8 today was better than 5 of Manning's 9 starts this season. So Brock's worst game thus far was still better than almost half of Manning's starts this year.

In terms of passer rating, Brock had a 72.5 against NE (same as his rating in relief against KC). So he's been adequate, not sensational in those terms.

BTW, I'm not advocating for Manning to start again. I think Brock works for what we're doing in this offense and seems to have helped the running game. I'm just saying this wasn't his "worst" game by passer rating

[BroncoWave]

In terms of passer rating, Brock had a 72.5 against NE (same as his rating in relief against KC). So he's been adequate, not sensational in those terms.

BTW, I'm not advocating for Manning to start again. I think Brock works for what we're doing in this offense and seems to have helped the running game. I'm just saying this wasn't his "worst" game by passer rating

Completion% is a quarter of the passer rating formula, and he got ****ed over by DT in that regard against NE. Your point is well taken, but I don't think there is any doubt that the Pats game was Brock's best performance.

[VonDoom]

Completion% is a quarter of the passer rating formula, and he got ****ed over by DT in that regard against NE. Your point is well taken, but I don't think there is any doubt that the Pats game was Brock's best performance.

Very true. Stats don't tell the whole story, and he was as clutch as it gets down the stretch in that game.

[BroncoWave]

Very true. Stats don't tell the whole story, and he was as clutch as it gets down the stretch in that game.

Which is what's key to me. I don't really care if he looks shaky in the second half of a game that we are in control of. As long as he plays like he did against NE when we need big drives, we will be just fine. Something tells me if SD has tightened the game up or even tied or taken the lead, we would have seen a different Brock down the stretch.

[DenBronx]

I thought David Bruton had a solid game in Wards place. He should be a starter somewhere in this league. Glad he's our backup and special teams ace/captain.

[NightTerror218]

I thought David Bruton had a solid game in Wards place. He should be a starter somewhere in this league. Glad he's our backup and special teams ace/captain.

How much longer is he locked up to be a bronco?

[Simple Jaded]

How much longer is he locked up to be a bronco?

The end of this season.

[tripp]

Pro:

Darien Stewart had a big game knocking a few receivers on their asses and causing them to drop passes. He was huge the 1st quarter - killing any kind of rhythm San Diego tried making.

Ronnie Hillman did a good job all things considered with CJ's injury. I think it's no secret Ronnie Hillman will never be a lead back, but he did a good job moving the chains and fighting for yards.

I don't really have any negatives, I thought pretty much the offense was "meh" in general. Would've liked to see a few more passes made that could've extended drives. Run game did enough to win, didn't stand out, but wasn't awful.

I have confidence Brock Oz will continue to get better with each game, and it's going to be interesting when we play Oakland next week before we have a huge game against the Steelers. But the offense NEEDS to able to keep their foot on the gas and continue to put up points in all quarters.

I found the play calling a little suspect on the 2 min drill before the half. It didn't appear there was any sense of urgency to drive down the field while the clock was running.

[Timmy!]

Good:

2/3 of the stadium Broncos fans.

[Traveler]

Bad: Colquitt! They need to audition punters this week.

[Simple Jaded]

Traveler, that chick is hot af.

[Cugel]

Bad:

O-line. Oof. Did not give Brock alot of time today nor did they open up many holes in the running game. I shudder to think what would have happened to Manning behind this line today.

Don't really have much more to say other than that. I'm seeing talk that Os opened the door for Manning to come back in but I still don't buy it. Didn't look as good as the last two weeks, but still did a fine job of managing the game especially given how much pressure he was under. Just as I saw no reason to bench Manning while he was winning, I see no reason to bench Brock while he is. Unless he starts throwing 2-3 picks a game like Manning, he should still be starting IMO.

With this OL it would be very difficult for Peyton to step in and play well and remain healthy at any point this year. Remember the Packers game. The OL got a week off, and Peyton got a chance to get healthy - result; the best game the Broncos played all season, totally dominating the Packers.

Peyton played fairly well against the Colts too in the 2nd half but he was taking hits and getting beaten and injured. His final game against the Chiefs was the total disaster with a torn tendon in his foot where he literally couldn't throw the ball 5 yards.

Elway refused to go out and get really GOOD pass-blocking OL, and turned down the Joe Thomas trade because the Browns only were willing to give back a 5th round pick instead of a 3rd rounder in 2016.

So, there's no help for this horrible OL. Instead with Osweiler under center, rolling out and able to throw on the run, the Broncos can to a degree offset the bad OL play. They've got a decent running game now, which helps.

But, as we saw today, it does not entirely offset the bad pass-blocking. Even though he was only sacked once, he was seriously beaten and hit a lot.

If you put Peyton back in when he's completely healthy, he might have a decent game, but he's also going to take a beating and will be a lot less effective the more he plays, because they can't keep him healthy. I would expect his play to decline with each game he plays and gets hit more and more.

[Simple Jaded]

Speaking of bad, did anyone else notice how completely shocked Colquitt was when he pinned the Chargers on their 2? He was as shocked as I was.

[Cugel]

Speaking of bad, did anyone else notice how completely shocked Colquitt was when he pinned the Chargers on their 2? He was as shocked as I was.

There's a guy whose $3 M will come in handy next season for signing other FAs. :coffee:

[Simple Jaded]

There's a guy whose $3 M will come in handy next season for signing other FAs. :coffee:

Yup, dead weight.

[MOtorboat]

I think Osweiler has to fall on his face to go back to Manning, that's not what happened today.

I think Broncos fans might wanna start warming up to the notion that Denver is not motivated by setting offensive records anymore.

If they aren't motivated to be the best, they can get the hell out of town.

[BroncoWave]

If they aren't motivated to be the best, they can get the hell out of town.

LOL wow that is quite a stretch of an interpretation of what he said. I didn't realize a requirement of being "the best" was going out and passing 50 times a game in an attempt to shatter every passing record.

[Mike]

Wolfe and Jackson had very good games.

[Ziggy]

Malik Jackson dominated this game as much as any Dlineman has dominated a game this season. He made Orlando Franklin look like a high school player out there.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Wolfe and Jackson had very good games.

Yes they did. This defense is fun to watch.

[TXBRONC]

Kind of a weird game today. Other than a few players, no one really stood out as being great or terrible today. Probably will be a short post here.

Good:

Von. By far our player of the game. Not much makes me happier than to see him repeatedly plant Phyllis on his ass.

DT. Nice rebound performance from last week. Caught every catchable ball thrown his way today. Would like to see more of that going forward.

Juwan. Did a really nice job coming off the bench replacing CJ today. Made some nice tough runs.

Defense. Other than Von it's hard to really single anyone else out who made a bunch of spectacular plays, but they were very solid overall holding a pretty good SD offense to only 3. Nice pressure on Rivers and timely turnovers.

Bad:

O-line. Oof. Did not give Brock alot of time today nor did they open up many holes in the running game. I shudder to think what would have happened to Manning behind this line today.

McManus/Colquitt. Not the best day for our kicking specialists. McM seems to be in a funk right now and Colquitt was highly mediocre as usual.


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Don't really have much more to say other than that. I'm seeing talk that Os opened the door for Manning to come back in but I still don't buy it. Didn't look as good as the last two weeks, but still did a fine job of managing the game especially given how much pressure he was under. Just as I saw no reason to bench Manning while he was winning, I see no reason to bench Brock while he is. Unless he starts throwing 2-3 picks a game like Manning, he should still be starting IMO.

I think the main reason for the offense stalling in the second half has to do with the whole team just kinda letting their foot off the gas and coasting in the rest of the way. Boring second half but I will take a 14 point win in a road divisional game every day of the week.

On the good I think we could add Ray and Barrett both had sacks and both did a nice job of getting pressure on Rivers when they were on the field. Might even want to add Stewart into the good. He had some nice plays in coverage.

I didn't think the line played that bad. They did give up a sack but overall I didn't were all that the Chargers were all that consistent in getting in Brock's face. Maybe it's more of Brock starting to making quicker decisions with the ball. Anyway I certainly won't disagree that the offensive line should go under that bad and definitely no argument on the kickers. However, kick and punt coverage wasn't bad.

[TXBRONC]

If they aren't motivated to be the best, they can get the hell out of town.

He's not talking about Osweiler, he talking about Kubiak.

Kubiak is more interested in having an offense that has a better run to pass ratio that what we have gotten with Manning.

[VonDoom]

I don't want to pile on Colquitt (okay, maybe I do) but here are the stats for both punters yesterday:

Colquitt - 5 punts, 183 yards total, 36.6 avg, 31.8 net
Scifres - 4 punts, 192 yards total, 48.0 avg, 42.8 net

[LawDog]

I don't want to pile on Colquitt (okay, maybe I do) but here are the stats for both punters yesterday:

Colquitt - 5 punts, 183 yards total, 36.6 avg, 31.8 net
Scifres - 4 punts, 192 yards total, 48.0 avg, 42.8 net

Just for some additional perspective, all four of Scifres' punts were from San Diego's side of the field. Only two of Colquitt's were from Denver's. Field position at the time of the punt definitely has an impact on punting yards.

[TXBRONC]

Just for some additional perspective, all four of Scifres' punts were from San Diego's side of the field. Only two of Colquitt's were from Denver's. Field position at the time of the punt definitely has an impact on punting yards.

True and one of those was a touchback which was going to impact his net average.

[Ravage!!!]

LOL wow that is quite a stretch of an interpretation of what he said. I didn't realize a requirement of being "the best" was going out and passing 50 times a game in an attempt to shatter every passing record.

So you think Manning's entire career was based on trying to break records, or are you just doing your 'shit stirrer' drivel again?

[VonDoom]

Just for some additional perspective, all four of Scifres' punts were from San Diego's side of the field. Only two of Colquitt's were from Denver's. Field position at the time of the punt definitely has an impact on punting yards.

Yes, but let's be honest ... he had one great punt (downed at the one), one good punt (44 yards, fair caught at the 9). The other three were poor - punted from the Denver 15 for 40 yards. Punted from the SD 40 well into the end zone for a touchback and a net of 20. Punted from the SD 37 12 yards out of bounds at the 25 (I assume he was attempting a coffin corner and screwed it up)

[LawDog]

Yes, but let's be honest ... he had one great punt (downed at the one), one good punt (44 yards, fair caught at the 9). The other three were poor - punted from the Denver 15 for 40 yards. Punted from the SD 40 well into the end zone for a touchback and a net of 20. Punted from the SD 37 12 yards out of bounds at the 25 (I assume he was attempting a coffin corner and screwed it up)

The punt on the touchback first landed around the 2-3 yard line then into the endzone. Better bounce on that and we'd have had a third inside the ten. The last one you mention is a head scratcher. Should have just booted it out the end for a touchback with no chance of return (not that the Charger's ST has had any bright spots this year, but still).

I don't get everyone's complete bashing on him. The one punt against new england that went about six inches and gave t-shady great field position in the first quarter was crappy. The rest of these are good NFL punts. Not great, but you can't claim that any punt not within the 10 yard line falls off to "horrible" as some posters have claimed.

[VonDoom]

The punt on the touchback first landed around the 2-3 yard line then into the endzone. Better bounce on that and we'd have had a third inside the ten. The last one you mention is a head scratcher. Should have just booted it out the end for a touchback with no chance of return (not that the Charger's ST has had any bright spots this year, but still).

I don't get everyone's complete bashing on him. The one punt against new england that went about six inches and gave t-shady great field position in the first quarter was crappy. The rest of these are good NFL punts. Not great, but you can't claim that any punt not within the 10 yard line falls off to "horrible" as some posters have claimed.

I thought the touchback landed in the end zone, but I could be wrong. In any case, he's not TERRIBLE but he makes a pretty good buck for a punter (Over the Cap lists him with the 11th highest AAV of punters) and the way his contract is structured, he's a $4 million cap hit next year. Lanning or a rookie could probably produce his numbers, especially kicking at altitude (which often comes up when announcers wax poetic about his virtues) and make a fraction of his salary. He's an okay punter in general, but he doesn't stand out to me as great. A lot of people wanted him gone before this year, if I remember correctly. Expect that to continue into this off season.

[Cugel]

I would think we should get beyond the "QB controversy" at this point. If Peyton comes back healthy, will he remain healthy behind this OL? If he gets hurt again, inevitable in my view, why would anybody expect him to play any better than he did either last year, or this year when hurt, i.e. not effectively.

Whether it's Peyton or Brock, the key is going to be "can the OL somehow protect them?" Because in the playoffs against the Bengals and Patriots the team can't have any weaknesses. And in any potential SB, they'd be facing a team like Carolina or the Cardinals, with totally solid defenses and offenses. No blatant weaknesses at all.

In this league you can't expect not to sink in the playoffs when there's a hole anywhere in the bottom of the boat. And you can't say "well the REST of the bottom is sound. It's just one little hole."

[TXBRONC]

I thought the touchback landed in the end zone, but I could be wrong. In any case, he's not TERRIBLE but he makes a pretty good buck for a punter (Over the Cap lists him with the 11th highest AAV of punters) and the way his contract is structured, he's a $4 million cap hit next year. Lanning or a rookie could probably produce his numbers, especially kicking at altitude (which often comes up when announcers wax poetic about his virtues) and make a fraction of his salary. He's an okay punter in general, but he doesn't stand out to me as great. A lot of people wanted him gone before this year, if I remember correctly. Expect that to continue into this off season.

Like LawDog said it landed well inside the five yard line. I don't were Colquitt ranks among punters who pin opponents inside the 20 but I have hunch he is among the League leaders.

[Ziggy]

True and one of those was a touchback which was going to impact his net average.

Which was no one's fault but his. Another example of just how bad he is, especially at critical times in games.

[BroncoWave]

So you think Manning's entire career was based on trying to break records, or are you just doing your 'shit stirrer' drivel again?

My point had to do with Mo's views that we should be passing a million times a game. Had nothing to do with Manning.

[TXBRONC]

Which was no one's fault but his. Another example of just how bad he is, especially at critical times in games.

I don't agree especially from when consider from where it was punted from.

[tripp]

I would think we should get beyond the "QB controversy" at this point. If Peyton comes back healthy, will he remain healthy behind this OL? If he gets hurt again, inevitable in my view, why would anybody expect him to play any better than he did either last year, or this year when hurt, i.e. not effectively.

Whether it's Peyton or Brock, the key is going to be "can the OL somehow protect them?" Because in the playoffs against the Bengals and Patriots the team can't have any weaknesses. And in any potential SB, they'd be facing a team like Carolina or the Cardinals, with totally solid defenses and offenses. No blatant weaknesses at all.

In this league you can't expect not to sink in the playoffs when there's a hole anywhere in the bottom of the boat. And you can't say "well the REST of the bottom is sound. It's just one little hole."

I've been over the QB controversy within the week it was announced Brock was starting against Chicago. My mind set was, whoever is the QB, I'm rooting for him.

It's evident this year, that this system doesn't suit Peyton. For as great as he is, it's conceivable that he can't excel in every style of offense. You want the guy who gives the team the best chance to win. While I think Peyton is obviously a lot better than Brock in certain areas, the main thing is Brock is a mobile QB and doesn't have an ego where you need to accommodate certain style of plays to his needs (pistol formation, etc).

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

I've been over the QB controversy within the week it was announced Brock was starting against Chicago. My mind set was, whoever is the QB, I'm rooting for him.

It's evident this year, that this system doesn't suit Peyton. For as great as he is, it's conceivable that he can't excel in every style of offense. You want the guy who gives the team the best chance to win. While I think Peyton is obviously a lot better than Brock in certain areas, the main thing is Brock is a mobile QB and doesn't have an ego where you need to accommodate certain style of plays to his needs (pistol formation, etc).

Manning's physical skills have diminished so much he can't even take snaps from under center and drop back to pass effectively or hand off to the running back. He looks extremely strained when he does it.

It's not my intention to bash him. I just have the opinion he is not elite anymore. His body just can't do what his mind tells him. It's similar to what we saw with Favre.

[SR]

Manning's physical skills have diminished so much he can't even take snaps from under center and drop back to pass effectively or hand off to the running back. He looks extremely strained when he does it. It's not my intention to bash him. I just have the opinion he is not elite anymore. His body just can't do what his mind tells him. It's similar to what we saw with Favre.

Bet ready for him to start against the Bengals.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Bet ready for him to start against the Bengals.

I fear that would not go well.

[Traveler]

Bet ready for him to start against the Bengals.

Probably better to let him start the final game against SD if they decide to let him play again.

[Simple Jaded]

If they aren't motivated to be the best, they can get the hell out of town.

Can't be the best without that sweet, sweet shotgun, amirite?

#vivaevolution

Ya know what else is part of evolution? Dub step .

[Valar Morghulis]

Can't be the best without that sweet, sweet shotgun, amirite? #vivaevolution Ya know what else is part of evolution? Dub step .

I don't know what this means but it seems like a post I should high five.

[MOtorboat]

I don't know what this means but it seems like a post I should high five.

No. No, you should not hi-five that.

[Valar Morghulis]

No. No, you should not hi-five that.

Lol, wtf does it mean

[MOtorboat]

Can't be the best without that sweet, sweet shotgun, amirite?

#vivaevolution

Ya know what else is part of evolution? Dub step .

Luckily, I know Kubiak's goal isn't to be this mediocre offense everyone is gushing over.

[MOtorboat]

Lol, wtf does it mean

He hates the shotgun formation. With a passion. I think he thinks it's 1970. Kind of like Joel.

[Valar Morghulis]

He hates the shotgun formation. With a passion. I think he thinks it's 1970. Kind of like Joel.

Ah of course! I am just up, so i must need my coffee to engage my brain!

[SR]

Ah of course! I am just up, so i must need my coffee to engage my brain!

Me too. Going to work on a Saturday at 6am. I may have a couple coffees today.

[TXBRONC]

Luckily, I know Kubiak's goal isn't to be this mediocre offense everyone is gushing over.

Gushing over? No one is gushing over it and sure everyone is well aware that the offense isn't where Kubiak wants.

[Simple Jaded]

I don't know what this means but it seems like a post I should high five.

MO appeared to be upset that the Broncos no longer line up in the Shitgun every play because he's under the ridiculous impression that shotgun makes better football. It makes for better passing. . .for QB's stuck in high school development stages.

I'm told this is evolution and that I'm "get off my lawn" guy, to which I keep reminding them of other neat/sweet aspects of evolution, like how The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills is tv evolution.

[Simple Jaded]

Luckily, I know Kubiak's goal isn't to be this mediocre offense everyone is gushing over.

How do you know that, Cugels inside source?

Btw, I'm not stuck in the 1970's, I'm stuck in the 1980's - 2000's where they did both Shotgun and under center. I don't hate the shotgun, I hate running from shotgun, because it sucks. If it didn't suck they wouldn't have invented that sweet, sweet pistol.

[Nomad]

Me too. Going to work on a Saturday at 6am. I may have a couple coffees today.

What's your flavor for coffee? Since you live in SE Texas, they may sell Community French Roast (a Louisiana coffee). I'd recommend it....damn good with a kick.

[Slick]

MO appeared to be upset that the Broncos no longer line up in the Shitgun every play because he's under the ridiculous impression that shotgun makes better football. It makes for better passing. . .for QB's stuck in high school development stages.

I'm told this is evolution and that I'm "get off my lawn" guy, to which I keep reminding them of other neat/sweet aspects of evolution, like how The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills is tv evolution.

This made me laugh.

[MOtorboat]

How do you know that, Cugels inside source?

Btw, I'm not stuck in the 1970's, I'm stuck in the 1980's - 2000's where they did both Shotgun and under center. I don't hate the shotgun, I hate running from shotgun, because it sucks. If it didn't suck they wouldn't have invented that sweet, sweet pistol.

How is it I know Kubiak doesn't want a mediocre offense? Really?

I have said nothing about the shotgun in this thread, until pointing out how ridiculous your hate for a formation is. You and Wave assumed I was talking about the shotgun when I said the best. But was Denver not one of the best offensive teams in football in Kubiak's first stint?

Yes they were. And Kubiak doesn't want a mediocre offense. If he does, I stand by my statement and he can get the hell out of town.

[BroncoWave]

Yes they were. And Kubiak doesn't want a mediocre offense. If he does, I stand by my statement and he can get the hell out of town.

MO, you are arguing against a point that no one is making. Not a single person is saying Kubiak wants a mediocre offense. That would just be a stupid point that not even some of the posters we have here are dumb enough to make.

What's being said is that having star wars passing numbers and chucking the ball up 50 times a game is not a priority anymore. Kubiak has built the team to win with defense and running the ball and creating passing out of the bootleg through the running game.

Now you can argue whether or not that is the most effective strategy, but no one is arguing that he wants the offense to be mediocre or that they themselves want to see a mediocre offense.

[Simple Jaded]

How is it I know Kubiak doesn't want a mediocre offense? Really?

I have said nothing about the shotgun in this thread, until pointing out how ridiculous your hate for a formation is. You and Wave assumed I was talking about the shotgun when I said the best. But was Denver not one of the best offensive teams in football in Kubiak's first stint?

Yes they were. And Kubiak doesn't want a mediocre offense. If he does, I stand by my statement and he can get the hell out of town.

I did assume you were upset about the lack of shotgun, am I wrong?

[Cugel]

How do you know that, Cugels inside source?

Btw, I'm not stuck in the 1970's, I'm stuck in the 1980's - 2000's where they did both Shotgun and under center. I don't hate the shotgun, I hate running from shotgun, because it sucks. If it didn't suck they wouldn't have invented that sweet, sweet pistol.

My only "inside source" is ESPN.

And I'm not one of those who thinks they should have stuck with the Peyton Manning offense. I think they should have gotten some really good OL like Joe Thomas so that they could block for Peyton and run the ball better, so he could be successful in running the Kubiak offense.

As for the future, NOBODY else can run the Manning offense, so it would have been idiotic to try and run it with Osweiler.

[MOtorboat]

I did assume you were upset about the lack of shotgun, am I wrong?

Yes.

I can fully live with any offense, as long as it's good.

If I were in charge, I would be throwing the ball a lot. But that's me. I can fully accept this offensive style. I can't accept, and won't accept, mediocre.

This team is operating with a first time quarterback so mediocre is probably what we're going to get. But no one, including Kubiak, should ever shy away from wanting to set offensive records. The shear idea of not wanting to is dumb as shit.

You win by scoring more points. If you aren't motivated to score more points you're an idiot.

[BroncoWave]

This team is operating with a first time quarterback so mediocre is probably what we're going to get. But no one, including Kubiak, should ever shy away from wanting to set offensive records. The shear idea of not wanting to is dumb as shit.

Again, MO, no one is saying Kubes would shy away from wanting his offense to set any records. I'm sure he would love his offense to set every record there is. But given the choice between setting offensive records but getting smoked in the playoffs every year or focusing more on defense and running the ball and having a better showing in the playoffs, I think it's pretty obvious what he or really any sane person would choose.

Again, it's a totally valid argument whether or not that system is more conducive to winning in the playoffs. But no one is saying he wouldn't want his offense to set records. Just that he would rather his team win in the playoffs.

[broken12]

well, schofield needs cut during halftime...mack 5+ sacks complete embarrassment

[MOtorboat]

Again, MO, no one is saying Kubes would shy away from wanting his offense to set any records. I'm sure he would love his offense to set every record there is. But given the choice between setting offensive records but getting smoked in the playoffs every year or focusing more on defense and running the ball and having a better showing in the playoffs, I think it's pretty obvious what he or really any sane person would choose.

Again, it's a totally valid argument whether or not that system is more conducive to winning in the playoffs. But no one is saying he wouldn't want his offense to set records. Just that he would rather his team win in the playoffs.

At least they aren't motivated to score a lot of points these days. Am I right?

[Cugel]

well, schofield needs cut during halftime...mack 5+ sacks complete embarrassment

I think I was the first to suggest trading Schofield to the Toronto Argonauts for a case of Molson some time ago. That deal looks better right now.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

I am a little concerned with our lack of in game adjustments. We were so beholden to formations we couldn't put Green in the backfield to chip Mack?

[tripp]

Can we take a little page out of the Patriots book?

Why are they able to shut down the Texans D with relative ease and drive down the field with a make shift O-line that is pretty equal to our O-line?

I know, I know, different system, and above all that a 1st ballot HoF QB. But the passing plays they run aren't too different (from the naked eye) from what we try to accomplish. High percentage completion passes and allow the receiver to make big plays. When was the last time the Patriots run game was effective? (outside of LeGarrette Blount royally raping the Colts every year)

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I am a little concerned with our lack of in game adjustments. We were so beholden to formations we couldn't put Green in the backfield to chip Mack?

That's what I'm saying - yes, Schofield being unable to pass protect is concerning - but more concerning is that we kept running 7-step drop backs, with no help, and late developing routes.

Also - tough to blame Brock - but I can't tell you how many times I screamed "step up in the pocket!" He was hitting his back step and standing there and the DEs were meeting him at the spot every time. Did ourselves no favors.