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Ravage!!!
11-25-2015, 02:15 PM
Didn't see this posted anywhere, thought it worth at least mentioning.

http://www.9news.com/story/sports/nfl/denver-broncos/mike-klis/2015/11/25/chritian-ponder-denver-broncos/76376164/

BroncoJoe
11-25-2015, 02:16 PM
In a few threads, but deserves it's own probably.

I find this a bit curious, but am probably reading more into it than needs be.

GEM
11-25-2015, 02:18 PM
I just want to know who is getting cut...to be announced. Blah!

Dean
11-25-2015, 02:30 PM
I just want to know who is getting cut...to be announced. Blah!

Kenny Anunike goes on IR.

BroncoJoe
11-25-2015, 02:33 PM
Kenny Anunike goes on IR.

Or Manning.

:couch:

tomjonesrocks
11-25-2015, 02:44 PM
Kenny Anunike goes on IR.

Bummer. I'd like to see him in action at some point.

BroncoWave
11-25-2015, 02:49 PM
Or Manning.

:couch:

Saw that Mase posted on Twitter that as far as he knows, there are no plans to IR Manning any time in the near future.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
11-25-2015, 03:04 PM
Bummer. I'd like to see him in action at some point.

I'm pretty sure he was active Sunday. I'm a little surprised he hasn't played. He looked pretty disruptive this preseason. I thought we'd see him a lot in nickel situations.

BroncoJoe
11-25-2015, 03:08 PM
Saw that Mase posted on Twitter that as far as he knows, there are no plans to IR Manning any time in the near future.

I'm sure you realize that my post was intended to be a joke.

MO, on the other hand, probably won't, thus my making it clear.

ShaneFalco
11-25-2015, 03:12 PM
are you kidding me? Ponder?

Tebow would be better.

Northman
11-25-2015, 03:15 PM
are you kidding me? Ponder?

Tebow would be better.

Yes, but what would Tebow Ponder about this signing?

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
11-25-2015, 03:16 PM
are you kidding me? Ponder?

Tebow would be better.

He'll likely never see the field unless Brock gets hurt.

Buff
11-25-2015, 03:36 PM
Hopefully his wife will make an appearance.

Valar Morghulis
11-25-2015, 03:41 PM
8060

BroncoJoe
11-25-2015, 03:41 PM
Hopefully his wife will make an appearance.

http://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/345/911/911345.jpg

Valar Morghulis
11-25-2015, 03:46 PM
She will make an appearance in my mind during my next act of onanism

tripp
11-25-2015, 03:55 PM
Start the guy!






/sarcasam

Joel
11-25-2015, 05:17 PM
are you kidding me? Ponder?

Tebow would be better.
He's a young former first rounder, but already less raw than Tebow remains. How much of his Minnesota struggles were due to lack of talent rather than lack of coaches to develop and a line to protect him? I'm slightly curious whether we keep him around beyond this season to benefit from the presence of both next year. It's unlikely we put all our eggs in Oz' lone basket unless 1) Manning NEVER returns and 2) Oz plays consistently well the rest of the year (especially in the playoffs.)

It may be true that a team with two "starting" QBs hasn't got any, but that only underscores its need to get one. There are several ways to do that, and I expect us to attempt more than one of them unless Oz turns out to be the next Brady or Rodgers. Odds say he won't, not because he's so awful, but just because franchise QBs are hit-and-miss rarities.

broncofaninfla
11-25-2015, 05:28 PM
I have far more faith in Trevor Siemien than I do in Ponder. Trevor has far more upside and in my opinion was the most impressive QB on our roster this preseason. I like this as a depth signing but would be surprised if Ponder is moved above Trevor on the depth chart.

weazel
11-25-2015, 05:46 PM
are you kidding me? Ponder?

Tebow would be better.

no. Tebow is the worst NFL QB to ever suit up... just ******* stop.

Davii
11-25-2015, 06:08 PM
are you kidding me? Ponder?

Tebow would be better.

Allow me to ponder this for a moment.

Done. He would not.

BroncoWave
11-25-2015, 06:12 PM
When Tim Tebow has a deep thought, is it a Christian Ponder?

TimHippo
11-25-2015, 06:12 PM
Ponder couldn't even beat out Matt Cassell. He's always been injury prone even at FSU. He was a complete reach by the Vikings. He's basically just the emergency qb if Osweiler gets hurt.

BroncoWave
11-25-2015, 06:14 PM
Ponder couldn't even beat out Matt Cassell. He's always been injury prone even at FSU. He was a complete reach by the Vikings. He's basically just the emergency qb if Osweiler gets hurt.

I mean, in the middle of the season that is the kind of guy you are going to be able to get off the street. I think it was a pretty damn good signing given the circumstances. Obviously the plan is for him never to have to actually play, but we could have done much worse for a backup. He can at least step in and be halfway competent if needed.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
11-25-2015, 06:16 PM
Allow me to ponder this for a moment.

Done. He would not.

I see what you did there.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
11-25-2015, 06:18 PM
When Tim Tebow has a deep thought, is it a Christian Ponder?

:laugh:

ShaneFalco
11-25-2015, 06:59 PM
Yea Ponder is so much better with his 14-21 record. For sure.....

Blind loyalty to a GM.....

ShaneFalco
11-25-2015, 07:01 PM
if dude even plays i will shit all over these forums.

He is beyond scrub. ANTI CLUTCH, Journeyman QB.

Such ******* trash.

ShaneFalco
11-25-2015, 07:05 PM
Its like Elway was literally sitting around and asking himself who could lose him a couple games if Brock goes down.

Worst of the worst.

MOtorboat
11-25-2015, 07:09 PM
Ponder couldn't even beat out Matt Cassell. He's always been injury prone even at FSU. He was a complete reach by the Vikings. He's basically just the emergency qb if Osweiler gets hurt.

What was his 40 time?

Davii
11-25-2015, 07:09 PM
Thank God you have no hand in running this, or any, football team.

Tebow trolls are funny.

ShaneFalco
11-25-2015, 07:11 PM
Thank god i dont stick up for 14-21 qbs

ShaneFalco
11-25-2015, 07:13 PM
36 interceptions in 3 years. Sign me up boss

MOtorboat
11-25-2015, 07:13 PM
I always love when a quarterback gets signed and Falco loses his mind.

Tebow was ******* terrible. Time to realize it.

ShaneFalco
11-25-2015, 07:14 PM
Didnt matt Cassel get started over him?


Wow. consider me thrilled.

gregbroncs
11-25-2015, 07:15 PM
Thank god i dont stick up for 14-21 qbsDoes that mean he started 35 games in the NFL? That's more than Timmy by a ways.

Davii
11-25-2015, 07:15 PM
Thank god i dont stick up for 14-21 qbs

I'm not sticking up for anyone. Your lack of comprehension for any situation is rather amusing. Tebow is the past. He will not ever play as starting qb in the NFL again. Doesn't mean Ponder will, but Tim will not.

ShaneFalco
11-25-2015, 07:17 PM
lol. Oh yea. He got benched for Cassell.

Then they tried to trade him. No one wanted.

Released Signed to Oakland. Scrubbed it up there. Released.

Wow. we should be jumping for joy.

Davii
11-25-2015, 07:24 PM
lol. Oh yea. He got benched for Cassell.

Then they tried to trade him. No one wanted.

Released Signed to Oakland. Scrubbed it up there. Released.

Wow. we should be jumping for joy.

Is Tim your soul mate?

This is a depth signing. Tim wouldn't be interested nor would he be a fit considering we're not redesigning the entire team for a 3rd string qb.

ShaneFalco
11-25-2015, 07:26 PM
If you need to win a few games, if brock goes down, unconventional makes alot more sense then a conventional scrub.

MOtorboat
11-25-2015, 07:28 PM
If you need to win a few games, if brock goes down, unconventional makes alot more sense then a conventional scrub.

Nope. Tebow sucks anyway.

ShaneFalco
11-25-2015, 07:29 PM
Hey mo why dont you go cry about a playoff win again because Tim was the QB at the time.

#SPOILEDFAN

MOtorboat
11-25-2015, 07:31 PM
Hey mo why dont you go cry about a playoff win again because Tim was the QB at the time.

#SPOILEDFAN

Lol. I love how upset it makes you when teams sign other quarterbacks.

ShaneFalco
11-25-2015, 07:32 PM
and i love how you actually think Ponder is even worth signing.

Davii
11-25-2015, 07:32 PM
If you need to win a few games, if brock goes down, unconventional makes alot more sense then a conventional scrub.

No, it doesn't. And both Brock AND Trevor would have to go down. I think Kubiak could throw on pads and come in if needed. He could run the offense at least.

Davii
11-25-2015, 07:34 PM
and i love how you actually think Ponder is even worth signing.

And not one NFL GM thinks Tim is.

ShaneFalco
11-25-2015, 07:34 PM
And both Brock AND Trevor would have to go down.

ok thats different. I thought he was starting behind Brock.

ShaneFalco
11-25-2015, 07:35 PM
And not one NFL GM thinks Tim is.

Yea i know. They would rather sign scrubs like this, then ever give someone who has won something that mattered a chance.

MOtorboat
11-25-2015, 07:35 PM
and i love how you actually think Ponder is even worth signing.

Meh, take a flyer a third quarterback who has some natural ability and a decent arm to run the scout team. See, there's this thing about a scout team quarterback. He can't run the option offense and quarterback dives, he actually has to be able to simulate a quarterback. Tebow can't do that.

chazoe60
11-25-2015, 07:35 PM
How the **** did this turn into a Tebow thread? What the bloody ****?

ShaneFalco
11-25-2015, 07:36 PM
Meh, take a flyer a third quarterback who has some natural ability and a decent arm to run the scout team. .

Ye he has alot of ability.

To throw interceptions.

ShaneFalco
11-25-2015, 07:37 PM
How the **** did this turn into a Tebow thread? What the bloody ****?

i said the signing was awful and tebow would be better. Then everyone tried to prove that somehow a 36 interception QB is better.

#NotConvinced

Davii
11-25-2015, 07:37 PM
Meh, take a flyer a third quarterback who has some natural ability and a decent arm to run the scout team. See, there's this thing about a scout team quarterback. He can't run the option offense and quarterback dives, he actually has to be able to simulate a quarterback. Tebow can't do that.

You saw where Champ said the scout team had to take it easy on Tim? Lol

MOtorboat
11-25-2015, 07:38 PM
You saw where Champ said the scout team had to take it easy on Tim? Lol

Yeah, because of how pathetic he was.

That's why teams sign quarterbacks to simulate quarterbacks.

Davii
11-25-2015, 07:38 PM
How the **** did this turn into a Tebow thread? What the bloody ****?

Falco happened, like every thread about a QB. Especially threads about one having a job.

ShaneFalco
11-25-2015, 07:39 PM
You saw where Champ said the scout team had to take it easy on Tim? Lol

just like dick lebeau did in the playoffs...

But Christian bumass Ponder wouldnt know anything about that

JPPT1974
11-25-2015, 07:39 PM
Ponder is a proven backup journeyman!

ShaneFalco
11-25-2015, 07:43 PM
Ponder is a proven backup journeyman!

That throws interceptions like Gifts on Xmas.

One for you.... One for you... One for you....


I guess the scout team does make sense. Get the Defense used to picking someone off over and over.

wayninja
11-25-2015, 07:44 PM
Didn't Ponder and Tebow play against each other?

Davii
11-25-2015, 07:44 PM
just like dick lebeau did in the playoffs...

But Christian bumass Ponder wouldnt know anything about that

Give it up man. Regardless of how much you yearn for him Tim will never be a starting NFL QB again. Period.

Davii
11-25-2015, 07:45 PM
That throws interceptions like Gifts on Xmas.

One for you.... One for you... One for you....


I guess the scout team does make sense. Get the Defense used to picking someone off over and over.

And is a 3rd string qb on a roster. Meanwhile, Tim is, well, not.

ShaneFalco
11-25-2015, 07:45 PM
give it up man. Regardless of how much you yearn for him tim will never be a starting nfl qb again. Period.

oh i will yearn bro, my yearn will never stop.

ShaneFalco
11-25-2015, 07:48 PM
bumass qbs like Case Keenum and Christian Ponder. League is a joke.

NOW I WILL GO HOWL IN THE MOTHER****ING WIND.

Davii
11-25-2015, 07:48 PM
oh i will yearn bro, my yearn will never stop.

I'm pretty sure he's available, you should ask him out.

ShaneFalco
11-25-2015, 07:50 PM
i am pretty sure MO and Jaded already tried that.

I would become spiteful like them if he turned me down too.

MOtorboat
11-25-2015, 07:51 PM
Still obsessing over one game from five years ago...

Davii
11-25-2015, 07:51 PM
i am pretty sure MO and Jaded already tried that.

I would become spiteful like them if he turned me down too.

I'm certain neither did. And Tim turns down no chance, he can't afford to.

Davii
11-25-2015, 07:53 PM
Still obsessing over one game from four years ago...

"Aikman, TOUCHDOWN, it's amazing!"
"Aikman, TOUCHDOWN, it's amazing!"
"Aikman, TOUCHDOWN, it's amazing!"

It's all he has Mo, don't you dare take that from him.

ShaneFalco
11-25-2015, 08:09 PM
Still obsessing over one game from five years ago...

still hiding your tebow jersey in the closet?

ShaneFalco
11-25-2015, 08:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFosUj6A22c

MOtorboat
11-25-2015, 08:13 PM
Does that video signify Tebow being in the closet?

BroncoWave
11-25-2015, 08:14 PM
Shane, you are embarrassing yourself. And this is coming from someone who has always been in Tebow's corner. Just stop it.

Tned
11-25-2015, 08:18 PM
For those that didn't read today's quotes:

On signing QB Christian Ponder

“There was a concern, too, because we're sitting here with a guy who has one start in this league and a kid who doesn't have a play. Me and [Executive Vice President of Football Operations/GM] John [Elway] started thinking about the concern if something happened. Good that Christian was out there. He has a little bit of a background in some of our verbiage playing for Billy Musgraves. He came in, worked out well. Hopefully we can catch him up a little bit.”

ShaneFalco
11-25-2015, 08:19 PM
damn r kelly put out like 30 chapters of that, brb

Dzone
11-25-2015, 08:23 PM
Obviously Elway is still jealous of Tebow lmao

Tned
11-25-2015, 08:24 PM
Also, when asked about the possibility of signing Tebow, he said that they discussed it and agreed it would be better to lose the next seven games than to deal with Tebow fans again.

Simple Jaded
11-26-2015, 01:03 AM
are you kidding me? Ponder?

Tebow would be better.
Better for what? Seriously try to answer that a modicum of rational sense.

Davii
11-26-2015, 01:21 AM
Better for what? Seriously try to answer that a modicum of rational sense.

Not possible.

Dapper Dan
11-26-2015, 01:35 AM
I don't really care too much about who the 3rd string QB is.

Dapper Dan
11-26-2015, 01:37 AM
What's really important is why did he pick #2? I've never liked that number on a QB. I understand why he didn't pick 7. Should have went with 14 or something else.

Simple Jaded
11-26-2015, 02:07 AM
I think he's a good fit if they ever need him, reminds me of Rich Gannon.

TXBRONC
11-26-2015, 09:34 AM
I have far more faith in Trevor Siemien than I do in Ponder. Trevor has far more upside and in my opinion was the most impressive QB on our roster this preseason. I like this as a depth signing but would be surprised if Ponder is moved above Trevor on the depth chart.

Siemien wasn't raw might have made the active roster.

TXBRONC
11-26-2015, 09:40 AM
Better for what? Seriously try to answer that with a modicum of rational sense.

Rational thought and Chronic are like oil and water.

Yashahla17
11-26-2015, 04:29 PM
Christian ponder is actually a good fit in this kind of offense. Don't be surprised if he stick around as a back up. His mobility and accuracy matches kubiak offense.

Slick
11-26-2015, 06:50 PM
Christian ponder is actually a good fit in this kind of offense. Don't be surprised if he stick around as a back up. His mobility and accuracy matches kubiak offense.

If he was accurate and mobile Minnesota wouldn't have drafted Teddy.

Yashahla17
11-26-2015, 07:06 PM
If he was accurate and mobile Minnesota wouldn't have drafted Teddy.

Teddy is great, ponder is a nfl back up. Big difference

Rick
11-26-2015, 07:18 PM
So much debate over 3rd string competition.

TimHippo
11-26-2015, 07:37 PM
Teddy is great, ponder is a nfl back up. Big difference

Then why did they draft him with the 12th pick in the 1st round, Yashi?

Yashahla17
11-26-2015, 08:35 PM
Then why did they draft him with the 12th pick in the 1st round, Yashi?

Because he had buzz hippos

TimHippo
11-26-2015, 09:49 PM
Because he had buzz hippos

No that's #Hype.

Simple Jaded
11-27-2015, 12:44 AM
Rick Spielman was jealous of Ponder.

LawDog
11-27-2015, 01:50 AM
What's really important is why did he pick #2? I've never liked that number on a QB. I understand why he didn't pick 7. Should have went with 14 or something else.

I'm sure Cody would have been just fine giving his number up... #headscratcher

Valar Morghulis
11-27-2015, 01:55 AM
I'm sure Cody would have been just fine giving his number up... #headscratcher

I just can't believe he selected his number without consulting with dapper Dan in the first place

Dapper Dan
11-27-2015, 04:40 AM
I'm sure Cody would have been just fine giving his number up... #headscratcher

True. Latimer just started using it too.

Dapper Dan
11-27-2015, 04:41 AM
I just can't believe he selected his number without consulting with dapper Dan in the first place

I can't remember if the restraining order says to keep away from them as a couple or only her.

Broncoknight30
11-27-2015, 09:16 AM
I am just surprised how Matt Flynn is this journey man QB. I guess there must be something really wrong with him, but every time I have seen him, he done pretty well. I thought he was the best QB on the Jets roster for example in the preseason.

He certainly knows the nomenclature of the Kubiak's system since that is what he has run most effectively in GB.

Anyway, it really does not matter who they sign as a back up. As long as they do not sign someone that the fan base will create some kind of controversy about. Back ups, ought to be just that. Back ups.

Ponder has had plenty of time to prove himself and he has shown that he is nothing more than a back up. He is smart, and he is mobile. Meaning, he does have that ability to run a stretch run Kubiak offense. Will he be decent if he needs to get in there for relief action? I think so.

TimHippo
11-27-2015, 02:09 PM
I am just surprised how Matt Flynn is this journey man QB. I guess there must be something really wrong with him, but every time I have seen him, he done pretty well. I thought he was the best QB on the Jets roster for example in the preseason.

He certainly knows the nomenclature of the Kubiak's system since that is what he has run most effectively in GB.

Anyway, it really does not matter who they sign as a back up. As long as they do not sign someone that the fan base will create some kind of controversy about. Back ups, ought to be just that. Back ups.

Ponder has had plenty of time to prove himself and he has shown that he is nothing more than a back up. He is smart, and he is mobile. Meaning, he does have that ability to run a stretch run Kubiak offense. Will he be decent if he needs to get in there for relief action? I think so.

Ponder has average 40 speed for a QB. 4.65
Elite 3 cone though. 6.85.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
11-27-2015, 02:23 PM
Ponder has average 40 speed for a QB. 4.65
Elite 3 cone though. 6.85.

:laugh:

TXBRONC
11-27-2015, 04:01 PM
So much debate over 3rd string competition.


What's really important is why did he pick #2? I've never liked that number on a QB. I understand why he didn't pick 7. Should have went with 14 or something else.

I don't think he could pick number 7 even if he wanted too because the number has bee retired.

Dapper Dan
11-27-2015, 06:56 PM
I don't think he could pick number 7 even if he wanted too because the number has bee retired.

Craig Morton could have it unretired like Frank Tripucka did.

TXBRONC
11-27-2015, 06:59 PM
Craig Morton could have it unretired like Frank Tripucka did.

Whatever you say DD.

Simple Jaded
11-28-2015, 12:28 AM
Ponder has average 40 speed for a QB. 4.65
Elite 3 cone though. 6.85.

I don't think we've ever seen a QB with a 3-cone that good, amazing.

Broncoknight30
11-28-2015, 04:28 AM
Ponder has average 40 speed for a QB. 4.65
Elite 3 cone though. 6.85.

Tom Brady ran a 5.3 at the combine.

Just saying. :lol:

Dapper Dan
11-28-2015, 05:37 AM
Tom Brady ran a 5.3 at the combine.

Just saying. :lol:

Women are usually slower than men.

Broncoknight30
11-28-2015, 05:46 AM
Women are usually slower than men.

Yeah, most women I "know" haven been "slower" than me. That, is for sure.

:tsk:

TimHippo
11-28-2015, 11:51 AM
Women are usually slower than men.

That's false. Women have 3.9 outlet mall speed compared to men's 6.5 outlet mall time. Especially on Saturdays or at disneyworld.

VonDoom
12-08-2015, 04:23 PM
We hardly knew ye, Christian:

Nicki Jhabvala ‏@NickiJhabvala 4m4 minutes ago

Broncos announce they've waived Christian Ponder

Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 37s37 seconds ago

#broncos waive Christian Ponder. He became luxury w Manning's health improving and the need to try to add defensive back depth

Dapper Dan
12-08-2015, 05:03 PM
R.i.p

wayninja
12-08-2015, 05:17 PM
Lol.

BroncoWave
12-08-2015, 05:22 PM
Yet another sign that they plan to plug Manning back into the lineup soon.

*barf*

wayninja
12-08-2015, 05:40 PM
Yet another sign that they plan to plug Manning back into the lineup soon.

*barf*

Hmm... I'm not sure it means that. It's just a sign that Manning is ready or near ready to play. Doesn't speak to whether or not he will.

BroncoJoe
12-08-2015, 05:46 PM
Crap. I hope he left his wife in town.

MOtorboat
12-08-2015, 05:49 PM
Crap. I hope he left his wife in town.

She probably never made it. Isn't she with the College Football Gameday crew?

DenBronx
12-08-2015, 06:06 PM
It does look like Brocks going to go back to being the backup once Manning comes back. Got to think the locker room might be devided if that does happen.

BroncoJoe
12-08-2015, 06:07 PM
She probably never made it. Isn't she with the College Football Gameday crew?

I don't know who she's with, but I know who I wish she was with!

Oooh-la-la...

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/ba/51/e8/ba51e8a815e6f0ea4d310b011afdc871.jpg

I'm going to hell.

Dapper Dan
12-08-2015, 06:07 PM
It does look like Brocks going to go back to being the backup once Manning comes back. Got to think the locker room might be devided if that does happen.

How so? (To both assumptions)

Cugel
12-08-2015, 06:35 PM
R.i.p

Are you Ponder's agent lamenting the end of his NFL career? :lol:

Ravage!!!
12-08-2015, 06:43 PM
I don't know who she's with, but I know who I wish she was with!

Oooh-la-la...

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/ba/51/e8/ba51e8a815e6f0ea4d310b011afdc871.jpg

I'm going to hell.

This just deserves quote purely to put her picture up again....... wow

VonDoom
12-08-2015, 07:18 PM
How so? (To both assumptions)

Right, I don't think we can assume either of these things yet. The two things I assume are 1) they need DB depth, as they said, and 4 QB's became too many and 2) Manning will be on the active roster for the rest of the year, not IR as some predicted/hoped

silkamilkamonico
12-08-2015, 07:51 PM
This place is going to be awesome to watch if they do indeed re-insert Manning into the starting lineup when he comes back. A lot of the general feel around the organization is that that is exactly what will happen when he comes back.

BroncoWave
12-08-2015, 08:03 PM
This place is going to be awesome to watch if they do indeed re-insert Manning into the starting lineup when he comes back. A lot of the general feel around the organization is that that is exactly what will happen when he comes back.

Yeah, shitty QB play is so awesome! I can't wait!

silkamilkamonico
12-08-2015, 08:21 PM
Yeah, shitty QB play is so awesome! I can't wait!

Lets not forget about basically saying goodbye to what has been a very good running game for the most part too.

I cannot believe the coaches would actually go that route if that is indeed what is going to happen.

tomjonesrocks
12-08-2015, 09:19 PM
The guy is a HOF-er - I'm fine giving it a try as long as we aren't getting the guy in the KC game.

Brock's been promising enough but his numbers from last week vs pressure were terrible. Reminds he is still very raw and inexperienced.

As far as the run game goes I think CJs injury earlier in the year healed up. Hope he didn't re-aggravate that vs SD.

I think Cinci is just too good with either QB playing though. That's a likely loss IMO regardless.

silkamilkamonico
12-08-2015, 10:09 PM
I honestly don't know what they would have to "give a try".

I am very well aware what Manning did for us the last few years. Hell, Denver had the 2nd best 3 year stretch in the organization's history under him. Dude was an absolute horse for us. But it's different now. We have seen what this offense is with him healthy. It's garbage. What is there to "give a try" really? The only thing this offense was absolutely good for with him was at least 1 interception a game. He absolutely didn't get it done. We can't run with him, we can't establish any type of passing with him. And I don't ever really blame him per say, I keep it simple and chalk it up to him just not being a fit for this type of offense. It doesn't work, plain and simple.

And I have heard people make the argument for Manning that he has been dealing with the foot issue all year and now he's healthy? What, a 40 year old is all of a sudden healthy after missing 3 weeks of what is normally a 4-6 monthy recovery. And he's all of a sudden healthier now than he's been in over a year? 3 weeks. Yea I don't buy that garbage. Manning is a lot healthier now than he was against Kansas City 3 weeks agao considering his shoulder and ribs issue have probably improved, but he isn't any healthier now than he was 2 months ago, when he was quarterbacking the worst offense in the NFL.

silkamilkamonico
12-08-2015, 10:14 PM
And we can beat CInci at home with Brock. Not that I really believe in Brock, but I believe in this system that we've run under Brock. The system under Manning sucks. You're basically asking him to make enough plays to win vs trusting the system can be successful throughout the flow of the game. 40 year old shell of himself ain't going to win games all by himself, and he hasn't in over a year. Let the system play out, and protect your defense who can win games for you. Manning wasn't doing either.

NightTerror218
12-08-2015, 10:24 PM
Yet another sign that they plan to plug Manning back into the lineup soon.

*barf*

Yah, as a back up right now. No need to have 4 QBS when you have 1 healthy safety

Ravage!!!
12-09-2015, 11:15 AM
This place is going to be awesome to watch if they do indeed re-insert Manning into the starting lineup when he comes back. A lot of the general feel around the organization is that that is exactly what will happen when he comes back.

ok...

Dapper Dan
12-09-2015, 12:39 PM
We got Shiloh Keo. I remember watching him around the time he was drafted. I hope he works out.

TXBRONC
12-09-2015, 02:01 PM
It does look like Brocks going to go back to being the backup once Manning comes back. Got to think the locker room might be devided if that does happen.

If there are some the locker room expecting Manning to step right back in once he's healed up then the locker room is already divided.

wayninja
12-09-2015, 02:17 PM
If there are some the locker room expecting Manning to step right back in once he's healed up then the locker room is already divided.

I'd be surprised if anyone in the locker room is expecting or even wanting that. If Brocks starts consistently playing badly, I could see it being divisive, but I'm willing to bet everyone is on the same page with Brock being the guy right now.

BroncoWave
12-09-2015, 03:42 PM
I'd be surprised if anyone in the locker room is expecting or even wanting that. If Brocks starts consistently playing badly, I could see it being divisive, but I'm willing to bet everyone is on the same page with Brock being the guy right now.

Yeah, I mean the players aren't stupid. If we can see it, they can certainly see it in terms of which QB has given us the better shot to win this season.

The defense must absolutely love not having to pull every game out at the very last second every week since Brock has come in. I doubt they want any part of going back to that.

Az Snake
12-09-2015, 06:12 PM
Yeah, I mean the players aren't stupid. If we can see it, they can certainly see it in terms of which QB has given us the better shot to win this season.

The defense must absolutely love not having to pull every game out at the very last second every week since Brock has come in. I doubt they want any part of going back to that.

Regardless who takes the snaps, the QB needs more than 2 seconds to read and release.
Last week: one TD drive to open, a FG, and ZERO points in the entire second half.

The DEFENSE did all the rest and won the game, again.
The Defense has been playing lights out, sacrificing themselves to injuries every game.
Sure hope the D unit can get completely healthy soon.

Ravage!!!
12-09-2015, 06:24 PM
Regardless who takes the snaps, the QB needs more than 2 seconds to read and release.
Last week: one TD drive to open, a FG, and ZERO points in the entire second half.

The DEFENSE did all the rest and won the game, again.
The Defense has been playing lights out, sacrificing themselves to injuries every game.
Sure hope the D unit can get completely healthy soon.

Yeah.. if it wasn't for our defense scoring and keeping them completely shut out we would have been in trouble. Our offense didn't do diddley shit.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
12-09-2015, 08:27 PM
Regardless who takes the snaps, the QB needs more than 2 seconds to read and release.
Last week: one TD drive to open, a FG, and ZERO points in the entire second half.

The DEFENSE did all the rest and won the game, again.
The Defense has been playing lights out, sacrificing themselves to injuries every game.
Sure hope the D unit can get completely healthy soon.

I think our conservative game plan in the second half was part of it. It seemed as though Kubiak felt he could protect a 2 score lead with defense and clock management.

wayninja
12-09-2015, 10:02 PM
With our defense, I'm ok with our offense being ho-hum. What we simply can't afford is turnovers. As long as we have decent TOP, and don't turn it over, we are in any game.

BroncoWave
12-09-2015, 10:09 PM
Yeah.. if it wasn't for our defense scoring and keeping them completely shut out we would have been in trouble. Our offense didn't do diddley shit.

Yeah but if our defense had allowed more points, the offense would have been called and run differently later in the game, so this is a difficult assumption to make on your part. We were not aggressive on offense at all in the second half because we didn't need to be. As we saw against New England, the offense under Brock can be aggressive and score points when it needs to late in the game.

Simple Jaded
12-09-2015, 11:06 PM
Lets not forget about basically saying goodbye to what has been a very good running game for the most part too.

I cannot believe the coaches would actually go that route if that is indeed what is going to happen.

I still can't believe a ******* first ballot HoF QB can't play from under center.

Az Snake
12-09-2015, 11:39 PM
Yeah but if our defense had allowed more points, the offense would have been called and run differently later in the game, so this is a difficult assumption to make on your part. We were not aggressive on offense at all in the second half because we didn't need to be. As we saw against New England, the offense under Brock can be aggressive and score points when it needs to late in the game.

So, according to your assumption, since our defense hadn't "allowed more points",
the game plan was to score ZERO points in the entire second half ?
Interesting assumption. Hmmmm.....
Maybe, but I would've preferred to see the Broncos run up the score a bit more.

wayninja
12-10-2015, 12:18 AM
So, according to your assumption, since our defense hadn't "allowed more points",
the game plan was to score ZERO points in the entire second half ?
Interesting assumption. Hmmmm.....
Maybe, but I would've preferred to see the Broncos run up the score a bit more.

C'mon man. A less aggressive offense is not the same thing as saying that the gameplan was to not score. Don't pretend like you don't know the difference.

BroncoWave
12-10-2015, 08:08 AM
So, according to your assumption, since our defense hadn't "allowed more points",
the game plan was to score ZERO points in the entire second half ?
Interesting assumption. Hmmmm.....
Maybe, but I would've preferred to see the Broncos run up the score a bit more.

No dude, that's not what I ****ing said and you know it.

Obviously their plan was not to score zero points in the second half. But since they had a comfortable lead, they saw no reason to press and try to force things on offense. They instead played conservatively and tried to run clock and I'm sure they still hoped to score on those long drives, it just didn't wind up happening.

Had they needed the points though, I have no doubt they would have opened things up.

Nomad
12-10-2015, 08:49 AM
So, according to your assumption, since our defense hadn't "allowed more points",
the game plan was to score ZERO points in the entire second half ?
Interesting assumption. Hmmmm.....
Maybe, but I would've preferred to see the Broncos run up the score a bit more.

Right on! I hear what you're saying, AZ.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
12-10-2015, 10:38 AM
With our defense, I'm ok with our offense being ho-hum. What we simply can't afford is turnovers. As long as we have decent TOP, and don't turn it over, we are in any game.

Exactly, and Manning was a turnover machine, even in the few games he played well.

Ravage!!!
12-10-2015, 11:13 AM
Yeah but if our defense had allowed more points, the offense would have been called and run differently later in the game, so this is a difficult assumption to make on your part. We were not aggressive on offense at all in the second half because we didn't need to be. As we saw against New England, the offense under Brock can be aggressive and score points when it needs to late in the game.

a difficult "assumption" on my part? What assumption, that the offense didn't do squat? Your "ass-uming" an aweful lot. Like that because we were playing close to the vest, that we weren't "really trying" to make first downs and just use up clock? No? We WERE trying to make first downs? Oh, then where is my "assumption" of our offense looking like diddly shit so off?

Not to mention, there were a lot of things that ddidn't look very good, and it didn't have to do with my "assumptions." LIke Brock's reads. The ability to read and pick up Blitzes. The pass blocking. You know... all that "no big deal" stuff that was just 'game planned' to be conservative that simply could have been "turned on" had we simply wanted it to.

Lets not have this BS bravado that the offense can simply "turn it on" when we need/want it too. Talk about "assumptions" and giving the epitomy of wearing orange colored glasses.

BroncoWave
12-10-2015, 11:24 AM
a difficult "assumption" on my part? What assumption, that the offense didn't do squat? Your "ass-uming" an aweful lot. Like that because we were playing close to the vest, that we weren't "really trying" to make first downs and just use up clock? No? We WERE trying to make first downs? Oh, then where is my "assumption" of our offense looking like diddly shit so off?

Not to mention, there were a lot of things that ddidn't look very good, and it didn't have to do with my "assumptions." LIke Brock's reads. The ability to read and pick up Blitzes. The pass blocking. You know... all that "no big deal" stuff that was just 'game planned' to be conservative that simply could have been "turned on" had we simply wanted it to.

Lets not have this BS bravado that the offense can simply "turn it on" when we need/want it too. Talk about "assumptions" and giving the epitomy of wearing orange colored glasses.

I mean, it's pretty much football 101, it's not a difficult concept. Teams are just less aggressive, in general (especially with a young QB in his 3rd ever start), when they are protecting a multi-touchdown lead in the second half.

I never implied that we were not trying to get first downs or score Rav, and you know it. Obviously the goal is always to get first downs and score, but another goal when you are protecting a lead is to try to run a little clock and be as protective as possible of the ball to not give the other team as many chances to get back into the game.

Now this isn't to say it's a guarantee they would have scored more had they been more aggressive, but they certainly showed against NE it's something they are capable of.

Ravage!!!
12-10-2015, 11:30 AM
I mean, it's pretty much football 101, it's not a difficult concept. Teams are just less aggressive, in general (especially with a young QB in his 3rd ever start), when they are protecting a multi-touchdown lead in the second half.

I never implied that we were not trying to get first downs or score Rav, and you know it. Obviously the goal is always to get first downs and score, but another goal when you are protecting a lead is to try to run a little clock and be as protective as possible of the ball to not give the other team as many chances to get back into the game.

Now this isn't to say it's a guarantee they would have scored more had they been more aggressive, but they certainly showed against NE it's something they are capable of.

I just wonder if it would have eaten the clock more had we tried to get more first downs. If.. IF... we were 'trying to eat the clock" coming out of half.... then that's just horrible coaching.

I think you are making a lot of assumptions based on the results, and making the play fit your assumptions..... but then, you OBVIOUSLY have football 101 down so much better than we do.

Ravage!!!
12-10-2015, 11:37 AM
It seems like it's and "assumption" that the game plan was to simply 'hold on' to a 17-3 lead. THat's a pretty big assumption, that I would have a HARD time believing that any coaching staff would want to just 'sit' on 17 points. Not only does it just take a moment for that HUGE lead to diminish to nothing, but it also puts a lot more pressure on a defense. That woudl be pretty poor game management from several perspectives.

One could "assume" that it wasn't the game plan to just sit on the 17 points..and admit that the offense couldn't seem to get things rollig. THey couldn't convert, and couldn't keep the ball moving to even get within a short FG attempt.

So does that mean anyone is calling for the sky to be falling? No. It just means we aren't putting our head in the sand and labeling it "game plan."

wayninja
12-10-2015, 12:07 PM
It's like walking in syrup.

Northman
12-10-2015, 12:12 PM
So, according to your assumption, since our defense hadn't "allowed more points",
the game plan was to score ZERO points in the entire second half ?
Interesting assumption. Hmmmm.....
Maybe, but I would've preferred to see the Broncos run up the score a bit more.

Im sure everyone would prefer to run up the score but its not logically smart to do so because of the situation we are currently in. We have a QB who was only in his 3rd start, we are still vying for homefield advantage between NE and Cincy so to simply start flinging the ball around and getting sloppy really isnt common sense at this juncture. As pointed out, if the team started to lose the lead and fall behind than im quite sure the offensive plays would of been called differently.

Northman
12-10-2015, 12:18 PM
It seems like it's and "assumption" that the game plan was to simply 'hold on' to a 17-3 lead. THat's a pretty big assumption, that I would have a HARD time believing that any coaching staff would want to just 'sit' on 17 points. Not only does it just take a moment for that HUGE lead to diminish to nothing, but it also puts a lot more pressure on a defense. That woudl be pretty poor game management from several perspectives.

One could "assume" that it wasn't the game plan to just sit on the 17 points..and admit that the offense couldn't seem to get things rollig. THey couldn't convert, and couldn't keep the ball moving to even get within a short FG attempt.

So does that mean anyone is calling for the sky to be falling? No. It just means we aren't putting our head in the sand and labeling it "game plan."

Actually, i think the plan was to still try and score points (remember 6 pts were left on the field) but the idea was with a 17-3 lead not to get careless with the football. The force to DT in the endzone was a perfect example of that. I do think Brock thought he could play the same way he had in the 2 prior games and clearly SD was forcing him to carry the team so that didnt necessarily play out as well for Brock this time around. But, it was just his 3rd game so he gets a pass from me. After seeing what had been going on with Manning the most important thing for me as a fan is not turning the ball over and if that means playing conservative with a young QB, good defense, and a lead im perfectly fine with that. Much like the NE game there are going to be times the offense is simply going to have to open up in order to match what the opponent is doing. Thankfully, SD wasnt doing anything offensively so there was no need to get sloppy with the ball.

Simple Jaded
12-11-2015, 11:09 PM
I don't think fans are coming to grips with the notion that the Broncos aren't motivated by Star Wars numbers anymore.

I personally get the feeling that the Broncos want play the style of football more conducive to playoffs, I got that feeling back when the problem was definitely/positively Manning and not the lack of aggressiveness.

I got that impression because that's pretty much what the Broncos have been telling us they wanted to do.

Nomad
12-12-2015, 12:11 PM
I don't think fans are coming to grips with the notion that the Broncos aren't motivated by Star Wars numbers anymore.

I personally get the feeling that the Broncos want play the style of football more conducive to playoffs, I got that feeling back when the problem was definitely/positively Manning and not the lack of aggressiveness.

I got that impression because that's pretty much what the Broncos have been telling us they wanted to do.

The 'Les Miles' style of football eventually doesn't work. I see the same with the BRONCOS right now running the same. No one expects a major blowout every game, but make the opposing defense stop the BRONCOS from scoring. I get the clock management and relying on the defense, but it takes one score by the opposing team to get back into it. We've seen it numerous times, and Ive seen people here complain why the BRONCOS just sat on the score. It worked out this time, and as Rav said, the BRONCOS aren't that good to where they can turn on & off a switch.

NightTerror218
12-12-2015, 12:29 PM
The 'Les Miles' style of football eventually doesn't work. I see the same with the BRONCOS right now running the same. No one expects a major blowout every game, but make the opposing defense stop the BRONCOS from scoring. I get the clock management and relying on the defense, but it takes one score by the opposing team to get back into it. We've seen it numerous times, and Ive seen people here complain why the BRONCOS just sat on the score. It worked out this time, and as Rav said, the BRONCOS aren't that good to where they can turn on & off a switch.

I think the difference is the big play ability which we have not really seen. Saw it on a couple plays with Manning but not as much with Oz. Kubiak's system is take what they give us, and wait for the deep shot down the field. It's not like steelers who are always looking to go deep.

Slick
12-12-2015, 12:46 PM
The 'Les Miles' style of football eventually doesn't work. I see the same with the BRONCOS right now running the same. No one expects a major blowout every game, but make the opposing defense stop the BRONCOS from scoring. I get the clock management and relying on the defense, but it takes one score by the opposing team to get back into it. We've seen it numerous times, and Ive seen people here complain why the BRONCOS just sat on the score. It worked out this time, and as Rav said, the BRONCOS aren't that good to where they can turn on & off a switch.

Tebow is a better passer than the LSU QB.

Nomad
12-12-2015, 01:06 PM
Tebow is a better passer than the LSU QB.

My point exactly. If Oz is that good, there is no need to run a 'Miles' offense. Miles does know how to recruit RBs though.

Northman
12-12-2015, 01:10 PM
Tebow is a better passer than the LSU QB.

Not sure about the LSU guy but man the Florida QB SUCKSSSS.

Slick
12-12-2015, 03:49 PM
Not sure about the LSU guy but man the Florida QB SUCKSSSS.

The Florida starter got suspended so that guy is the back-up.

Northman
12-12-2015, 03:50 PM
The Florida starter got suspended so that guy is the back-up.

Hes incredibly bad thats all i know.

Simple Jaded
12-12-2015, 09:10 PM
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The 'Les Miles' style of football eventually doesn't work. I see the same with the BRONCOS right now running the same. No one expects a major blowout every game, but make the opposing defense stop the BRONCOS from scoring. I get the clock management and relying on the defense, but it takes one score by the opposing team to get back into it. We've seen it numerous times, and Ive seen people here complain why the BRONCOS just sat on the score. It worked out this time, and as Rav said, the BRONCOS aren't that good to where they can turn on & off a switch.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/coaches/les-miles-1.html


Kinda looks like it's working.

ShaneFalco
12-13-2015, 12:35 AM
I don't think fans are coming to grips with the notion that the Broncos aren't motivated by Star Wars numbers anymore.

I personally get the feeling that the Broncos want play the style of football more conducive to playoffs, I got that feeling back when the problem was definitely/positively Manning and not the lack of aggressiveness.

I got that impression because that's pretty much what the Broncos have been telling us they wanted to do.

tebow ball?

so why did we waste the last 3 years trying to be a finesse offense?

Simple Jaded
12-13-2015, 09:02 PM
tebow ball??

Yeah, only this time I'd put a QB in the formation.

Why do you do this to yourself? You're like a boxer that leans into the punch.