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VonDoom
11-23-2015, 02:09 PM
Might as well start this now, since the big news that people were waiting on is coming today:

Chris Mortensen ‏@mortreport 18m18 minutes ago

Brock Osweiler will make another start for the Broncos against the Patriots on Sunday night, per team sources. More on NFL Insiders, 2:30 ET

Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 15m15 minutes ago

Kubiak will talk to media in a few minutes. Expectation is that Osweiler starts and Manning gets more time to heal from injuries. #Broncos

Lindsay Jones ‏@bylindsayhjones 13m13 minutes ago

Naming Brock the starter for this week was something Gary Kubiak had to do. I'm sure Peyton Manning didn't like it, but it's the right call.

Nomad
11-23-2015, 02:25 PM
Not sure why this is surprising news that Brock gets the nod.

VonDoom
11-23-2015, 02:36 PM
Nicki Jhabvala ‏@NickiJhabvala 15m15 minutes ago

Gary Kubiak makes it official: Brock Osweiler will play vs. Patriots. Peyton Manning will rest another week.

Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 14m14 minutes ago

Kubiak: "We are all in on the next game. I wanted players to know direction moving forward."

Nicki Jhabvala ‏@NickiJhabvala 14m14 minutes ago

Kubiak: "Nothing has changed. We feel we made the best decision for Peyton and our football team right now."

Andrew Mason ‏@MaseDenver 14m14 minutes ago

Manning is in Charlotte, N.C. today getting a second opinion on his foot injury from a specialist.

Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 14m14 minutes ago

Kubiak said taking it a day at time. Manning will be back Tuesday after seeing specialist..

Andrew Mason ‏@MaseDenver 15m15 minutes ago

Kubiak isn't yet sure whether Manning will be upstairs or on the sideline for Sunday's game.

Andrew Mason ‏@MaseDenver 14m14 minutes ago

Kubiak: "Peyton's frustrated with the fact that he's injured ... but he's very excited for his football team ... happy for the team."

Vic Lombardi ‏@VicLombardi 14m14 minutes ago

When does he anticipate Manning being healthy? "We'll go week to week".

VonDoom
11-23-2015, 02:38 PM
Andrew Mason ‏@MaseDenver 13m13 minutes ago

Kubiak says that the rumors that Manning is thinking about anything but this year & this team "are totally false."

Mike Klis ‏@MikeKlis 13m13 minutes ago

Kubiak wouldn't say whether Peyton Manning will practice this week.

Vic Lombardi ‏@VicLombardi 11m11 minutes ago

Kubiak on Osweiler (after watching film): "Encouraing for first start in this league ... but let's take it a week at a time."

Mike Klis ‏@MikeKlis 11m11 minutes ago

On DeMarcus Ware playing this week: "We'll see where we're at on Wednesday."

Kubiak said schedule will be tweaked on Thursday with team practicing at 9:30 am to allow players to be w family

Denver Broncos ‏@Broncos 7m7 minutes ago

Kubiak: “We miss [Demarcus Ware], but some other guys need to pick up the slack. I think we improved from that standpoint yesterday."

Denver Broncos ‏@Broncos 8m8 minutes ago

Kubiak on Belichick and @Patriots: “He presents challenges to everybody. They’re playing tonight so we’ll get a chance to watch them.”

Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 6m6 minutes ago

That Peyton is going to Charlotte for second opinion suggests foot is still an issue. Plantar fascia tears are difficult.

Denver Native (Carol)
11-23-2015, 03:36 PM
I agree with OS starting, but my preference would have been for Kubes not to announce that - keep hoodie guessing who they need to prepare for.

Denver Native (Carol)
11-23-2015, 03:40 PM
Kubiak: Updates Manning's status
Head Coach Gary Kubiak says Brock Osweiler will start against the Patriots next Sunday and updates Peyton Manning's status.

full press conference

http://www.denverbroncos.com/multimedia/videos/Kubiak-Updates-Mannings-status/e44251c8-2582-40e0-82c8-63a31dd6de8d

Cugel
11-23-2015, 04:17 PM
From a medical website:


Treatment

It may take 3 to 12 months for your plantar fascia to heal completely. Treatment can help your foot heal faster. We recommend using a number of treatment approaches simultaneously, including home treatments and medical treatments. It is important that you continue treatment until you have been pain-free for at least 3 months.

The majority of people with plantar fasciitis recover within 3 to 9 months without the need for more aggressive treatment. In rare cases (less than 1%), surgical treatment may be considered.

Obviously, with the best quality intensive treatment, it wouldn't take 9 months, but no way Manning is going to be healed in 1 week either. Probably not 2 weeks. He might want to play, but he probably wouldn't be any more effective than he was against the Chiefs.

He can argue all he wants. We all saw that he couldn't throw at all off that foot with the injury. That's not just a 1 or 2 week recovery.

wayninja
11-23-2015, 04:21 PM
While I get people were waiting for the announcement, I'm sure that Bellicheat was working under the assumption that they would face brock, so I don't think it gives us much of an edge not to just come out and say it.

Bronco4ever
11-23-2015, 04:22 PM
I agree with OS starting, but my preference would have been for Kubes not to announce that - keep hoodie guessing who they need to prepare for.

Granted, the offenses are different under each QB, but I don't think it's been terribly difficult to game plan for PM as of late. I personally don't mind. I don't think Kubes wanted a media storm of who's going to start and helps the team be a little more focused on the game plan. Plus there's not a ton of film on Brock for BB to go off of.

VonDoom
11-23-2015, 04:39 PM
Granted, the offenses are different under each QB, but I don't think it's been terribly difficult to game plan for PM as of late. I personally don't mind. I don't think Kubes wanted a media storm of who's going to start and helps the team be a little more focused on the game plan. Plus there's not a ton of film on Brock for BB to go off of.

I agree. I doubt Belichick would have been up nights trying to figure out who to plan for this week. The positive of nipping it in the bud today, along with Brock having a whole week without those questions over his head, outweigh the potential negative of tipping our hand to the Pats.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
11-23-2015, 04:41 PM
I agree. I doubt Belichick would have been up nights trying to figure out who to plan for this week. The positive of nipping it in the bud today, along with Brock having a whole week without those questions over his head, outweigh the potential negative of tipping our hand to the Pats.

If I was Bill I'd prepare for Brock and if Manning played I'd consider it a bonus.

wayninja
11-23-2015, 04:45 PM
The only real difference in game-planning for belicheat is which poison to use. Laxative or amphetamine.

Denver Native (Carol)
11-23-2015, 07:23 PM
Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 2h

#Broncos Brandon Marshall had lisfranc surgery done by Dr. Anderson, same specialist Manning seeing. "He's best foot doctor in the country."

Slick
11-24-2015, 09:59 AM
Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 2h

#Broncos Brandon Marshall had lisfranc surgery done by Dr. Anderson, same specialist Manning seeing. "He's best foot doctor in the country."

I hope Dr Anderson told him to take the rest of the season off.

Denver Native (Carol)
11-24-2015, 02:47 PM
Vic Lombardi ‏@VicLombardi 3h

I don't think the Pats are as good as their record indicates. And I think deep down Hoodie knows it. Very vulnerable right now.

tomjonesrocks
11-24-2015, 03:06 PM
I hope Dr Anderson told him to take the rest of the season off.

I suspect you'll get what you are hoping for. The second opinion to me means a) the injury isn't BS and b) the first opinion probably wasn't what he wanted to hear.

LawDog
11-24-2015, 06:07 PM
Vic Lombardi ‏@VicLombardi 3h

I don't think the Pats are as good as their record indicates. And I think deep down Hoodie knows it. Very vulnerable right now.

What concerns me is how they have a knack for bouncing back. For example, after the melt down against KC last year they came out and stomped mud puddles. The freakin' evil cheater really bugs the crap out of me...

SR
11-24-2015, 06:48 PM
I suspect you'll get what you are hoping for. The second opinion to me means a) the injury isn't BS and b) the first opinion probably wasn't what he wanted to hear.

Or Manning thinks the Broncos are full of it and wants a second opinion showing he's not as bad as being indicated.

Joel
11-24-2015, 06:58 PM
What concerns me is how they have a knack for bouncing back. For example, after the melt down against KC last year they came out and stomped mud puddles. The freakin' evil cheater really bugs the crap out of me...
He's deeply annoying in many ways: Dishonest and PROUD of it, he's also petty, vindictive and devoid of appreciation for anyone and everyone who's contributed to his success (it's not too hard to figure out where McDumbass picked up all the same habits, after all.) Sadly, another deeply annoying thing about him is that he's a VERY smart and capable coach, and one of the few with broad deep knowledge of all the games aspects, not just one of the many "head coaches" who are just OCs ignorant of defense or vice versa.

The biggest example is how seamlessly Belicheat can transition from Bradys nameless WRs torching secondaries for 5 TDs one week to nameless RBs grinding out 200 yds the next: His teams are designed to do either, so never need worry about teams "built to beat" them. Many teams HAVE been built on that goal in the past 15 years, but none found consistent sucess with any approach (the most successful were Ravens teams designed much Belicheats.)

Until Spygate, I had lots of grudging frustrated respect for the Cheatriots; now I just wonder how much was real and how much done with mirrors. They're quite mortal away from local video taping opponents and local radio jamming their communications; all their SB wins were single scores (all but one by a FG) and Brady's as winless in the playoffs @Manning as he is undefeated at home. In 30 years few will recall that, only that, in a DOZEN years, NE* went to HALF of all SBs and won a THIRD. Cheaters ever prosper.

Yashahla17
11-24-2015, 08:26 PM
Or Manning thinks the Broncos are full of it and wants a second opinion showing he's not as bad as being indicated.

Manning is just in denial as usual. For him to go outside of broncos doctors to get a second opinion means he's in denial,and doesn't like what he's hearing in denver. Dude wants his records so bad he'll do anything.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
11-24-2015, 08:27 PM
Or Manning thinks the Broncos are full of it and wants a second opinion showing he's not as bad as being indicated.
Lol, well, there is the game tape he could look at.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
11-24-2015, 08:32 PM
Imho, he's just hoping to find a treatment that will help him play the rest of the year.

I believe it's pretty low class to crap on the guy after everything he's done for this franchise.
It's the first time we've been perennial SB contenders since Elway retired.
He's publicly said all the right things.
By all accounts he's a great team mate.

I think the guy deserves the benefit of the doubt. Yes, his play has declined, but let's not flush what he's meant to the franchise.

VonDoom
11-24-2015, 08:33 PM
Manning out "at least the next two weeks" after his consultation. Also says we're looking for QB depth and will work out Christian Ponder (!) on Wednesday:


ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning is expected to miss at least the next two weeks as he continues his recovery from a plantar fascia tear.

Following a Monday consultation with noted foot and ankle specialist Dr. Robert Anderson in Charlotte, N.C., it was recommended that Manning spend at least the next week in a walking cast. After the cast is removed, he will begin additional rehabilitation on his injured foot.

"Peyton and I had a good visit today, and we've got a plan in place for his recovery," Head Coach Gary Kubiak said. "His foot will be in a cast for at least a week, but he'll be able to be part of meetings and do some workouts with the rest of the team.

"We expect him to be unavailable for at least a couple of games. We'll proceed from there and will continue to support him as he does everything he can to get healthy."

Manning did not play last Sunday in Chicago because of the injury, remaining back in Denver for rehabilitation work while Brock Osweiler started in his place.

With Manning sidelined for multiple weeks, the Broncos will look to add depth at quarterback. The team is expected to work out former Minnesota Vikings starter Christian Ponder on Wednesday.

http://www.denverbroncos.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Status-update-on-Peyton-Manning-after-his-Monday-consultation/c0a78f2b-ccd1-448f-8faf-9fad361241be?utm_content=buffer9bd97&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

SR
11-24-2015, 08:35 PM
Manning is just in denial as usual. For him to go outside of broncos doctors to get a second opinion means he's in denial,and doesn't like what he's hearing in denver. Dude wants his records so bad he'll do anything.

No. Manning would rather win games as a team and win a Super Bowl as a team. I don't think he puts too much solace in to his records. And when he's said that publicly I believe him. There's a big stigma surrounding Peyton Manning, his stubbornness, his selfishness, his competitiveness, etc. but after watching his entire career one thing that I stick to him like a booger is honesty. He's not a dishonest person or player and I think every teammate he's ever had would attest to that.

Now, I know some words I used are more than two syllables (including that one), so if you get lost in that I'm sorry. Clearly your grasp on the English language is not good.

SR
11-24-2015, 08:35 PM
Lol, well, there is the game tape he could look at.

I don't believe what I said in that post at all. Just a little devils advocate stuff.

Denver Native (Carol)
11-24-2015, 09:26 PM
ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning is expected to miss at least the next two weeks as he continues his recovery from a plantar fascia tear.

Following a Monday consultation with noted foot and ankle specialist Dr. Robert Anderson in Charlotte, N.C., it was recommended that Manning spend at least the next week in a walking cast. After the cast is removed, he will begin additional rehabilitation on his injured foot.

"Peyton and I had a good visit today, and we've got a plan in place for his recovery," Head Coach Gary Kubiak said. "His foot will be in a cast for at least a week, but he'll be able to be part of meetings and do some workouts with the rest of the team.

"We expect him to be unavailable for at least a couple of games. We'll proceed from there and will continue to support him as he does everything he can to get healthy."

rest - http://www.denverbroncos.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Status-update-on-Peyton-Manning-after-his-Monday-consultation/c0a78f2b-ccd1-448f-8faf-9fad361241be

Yashahla17
11-24-2015, 09:29 PM
The broncos are not winning a super bowl with manning, blame the foot for the kc game but you cant blame the foot for the entire season of playing poor, i like how some delusional folks seem to think all manning needs to do is get healthy lol.

Kubiak has recently started uttering the words ( doing whats best for the team) and you can tell he's saying brock is whats best for the team whether manning is healthy or not. We seen so much of kubiak offense vs the bears, stuff manning just cannot run and BOOM the tightends have great game, thomas making plays, the running game goes for 170, theres zero interceptions. With the same group manning had..... Idc what anyone says the proofs in the pudding and manning is finished here.

As a matter of fact im so pass manning this is my last post about him. I wish him the best wherever he plays next year.

Denver Native (Carol)
11-24-2015, 09:32 PM
Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 20s

This gives Osweiler at least 3 straight starts. A nice sample size when determining his longterm future with #broncos. Will be a free agent

Troy Renck Retweeted
Nicki Jhabvala ‏@NickiJhabvala 5m

Peyton Manning out two weeks; earliest return would be Dec. 3. http://dpo.st/1kSnG8u
via @TroyRenck

Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 10m

As said last week in column, manning needed two weeks if not 3 to get healthy.Need to be fair to him and team. This was never 1 week iniury

Yashahla17
11-24-2015, 09:32 PM
It's smart to bring in a guy like ponder because if brock gets hurt i have little too no faith in trevor.

Yashahla17
11-24-2015, 09:34 PM
Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 20s

This gives Osweiler at least 3 straight starts. A nice sample size when determining his longterm future with #broncos. Will be a free agent

Troy Renck Retweeted
Nicki Jhabvala ‏@NickiJhabvala 5m

Peyton Manning out two weeks; earliest return would be Dec. 3. http://dpo.st/1kSnG8u
via @TroyRenck

Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 10m

As said last week in column, manning needed two weeks if not 3 to get healthy.Need to be fair to him and team. This was never 1 week iniury

Well it was kubiak who kept saying its a day to day thing, I figured he was only saying that to stroke someone ego.

Denver Native (Carol)
11-24-2015, 09:34 PM
The broncos are not winning a super bowl with manning, blame the foot for the kc game but you cant blame the foot for the entire season of playing poor, i like how some delusional folks seem to think all manning needs to do is get healthy lol.

Kubiak has recently started uttering the words ( doing whats best for the team) and you can tell he's saying brock is whats best for the team whether manning is healthy or not. We seen so much of kubiak offense vs the bears, stuff manning just cannot run and BOOM the tightends have great game, thomas making plays, the running game goes for 170, theres zero interceptions. With the same group manning had..... Idc what anyone says the proofs in the pudding and manning is finished here.

As a matter of fact im so pass manning this is my last post about him. I wish him the best wherever he plays next year.

I think there is a typo - hopefully you meant "this is my last post".

Denver Native (Carol)
11-24-2015, 09:36 PM
Well it was kubiak who kept saying its a day to day thing, I figured he was only saying that to stroke someone ego.

What else could he say until Peyton got back from getting a second opinion? I never did hear where Kubes said he WAS a doctor.

Yashahla17
11-24-2015, 09:46 PM
What else could he say until Peyton got back from getting a second opinion? I never did hear where Kubes said he WAS a doctor.

How about use common sense? Do you have to do be a doctor to do a little research? Do you have to be a doctor to go downstairs in your own facility where you have actual DOCTORS and get an answer? Anyone with sense knew it wasn't a day to day injury. Smh

Yashahla17
11-24-2015, 09:47 PM
I think there is a typo - hopefully you meant "this is my last post".

I'd miss your constant articles and etc if i left. You save me tons of time.

BroncoWave
11-24-2015, 09:55 PM
I'd miss your constant articles and etc if i left. You save me tons of time.

You can still read the forum. Just stop posting. :)

swaiy
11-24-2015, 10:07 PM
How about use common sense? Do you have to do be a doctor to do a little research? Do you have to be a doctor to go downstairs in your own facility where you have actual DOCTORS and get an answer? Anyone with sense knew it wasn't a day to day injury. Smh

If it was so easy, you'd work there but; you don't.

SR
11-24-2015, 10:18 PM
If it was so easy, you'd work there but; you don't.

But he makes $24/hr doing something else.

Denver Native (Carol)
11-24-2015, 10:19 PM
You can still read the forum. Just stop posting. :)

:salute::salute::salute:

Yashahla17
11-25-2015, 04:06 AM
You can still read the forum. Just stop posting. :)

Nope. I have friends here.

Yashahla17
11-25-2015, 04:08 AM
If it was so easy, you'd work there but; you don't.

Sheesh you folks come out of nowhere, its like you sit back and see what a few people are doing then decide your going to do it as well. Lol. Be your own person boy.

Yashahla17
11-25-2015, 04:10 AM
But he makes $24/hr doing something else.

My father always told me that any man who constantly talks about another mans money is a jealous person. I put in years for DJS to get where I'm at so why are you mad?

swaiy
11-25-2015, 07:08 AM
Sheesh you folks come out of nowhere, its like you sit back and see what a few people are doing then decide your going to do it as well. Lol. Be your own person boy.

First, check my join date. I didn't come from "nowhere." Secondly, i don't follow what anyone does on this forum as some sort of blueprint to posting. I lurk most of the time until i see a decent post worth responding to OR I encounter a poster so full off himself that he doesn't realize how much of a moronic dunderhead he appears to be. Guess which one you are; actually, don't. You would have never gotten it right.

Finally, you say "boy" as if I'm somehow supposed to be offended. I'm not. I think you're projecting and you're probably the teenage boy talking a big game behind the computer because you don't get enough attention. You're not even mildly entertaining for someone who thinks their football takes are so brilliant. All your posts are like watching a bunch of monkeys trying to **** a football.

SR
11-25-2015, 07:09 AM
My father always told me that any man who constantly talks about another mans money is a jealous person. I put in years for DJS to get where I'm at so why are you mad?

While your father sounds like a wise man, I'm not sure what happened to you.

Valar Morghulis
11-25-2015, 11:55 AM
What is the DJS

BroncoJoe
11-25-2015, 12:06 PM
What is the DJS

Department of Juvenile Services, I think.

Valar Morghulis
11-25-2015, 12:07 PM
Department of Juvenile Services, I think.

Oooh, interesting, hey yash - what do you do?

Pm if you would rather.

Timmy!
11-25-2015, 12:09 PM
Yoshi, light your computer on fire. TIA.

Denver Native (Carol)
11-25-2015, 01:30 PM
ENGLEWOOD, Colo. — Following Tuesday's news that Peyton Manning is expected to miss the next two weeks, the Broncos have signed QB Christian Ponder to add depth at the position. He attended meetings Wednesday morning and will be on the field at practice.

The five-year NFL veteran and 2011 first-round pick spent four years with the Vikings, including one year starting all 16 games in 2012. That season, he completed 62 percent of his passes for 2,935 yards, 18 touchdowns and 12 interceptions.

He was signed by the Raiders in March, but the team released him in the final roster cuts.

Ponder's addition adds necessary depth in Manning's absence with Brock Osweiler and rookie Trevor Siemian being the only active quarterbacks while Manning recovers.

A corresponding move to keep the active roster at the NFL-mandated 53 players has yet to be determined.

Ponder will wear No. 2.

http://www.denverbroncos.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Broncos-sign-QB-Christian-Ponder/3544605c-d719-4d59-9757-695ff9366337

Yashahla17
11-25-2015, 02:29 PM
http://www.denverbroncos.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Broncos-sign-QB-Christian-Ponder/3544605c-d719-4d59-9757-695ff9366337

Cool pick up, i think ponder is the ideal back up in a kubiak system.

Joel
11-25-2015, 02:31 PM
While your father sounds like a wise man, I'm not sure what happened to you.
That's probably an annual debate, resuming Thursday but mercifully inaudible from his table. :tongue:

Denver Native (Carol)
11-25-2015, 02:39 PM
Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 36m

#Broncos Ware working on side with strength coach. Not practicing

Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 40m

#broncos practicing include antonio smith and Vance Walker. Walker missed last game w shoulder injury

Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 43m

Don't see Ware or Mathis at practice. #Broncos

Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 1h

#Broncos Anunike had one tackle this season. Great guy.But struggled with injuries.Then couldn't find niche on DLine.Now on season-ending IR

Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 1h

#Broncos placed DE/DT Kenny Annunike on IR to make room on roster for Ponder

Denver Native (Carol)
11-25-2015, 02:41 PM
Andrew Mason ‏@MaseDenver 1m

Andrew Mason Retweeted ✨ Mile High Magic ✨

New depth chart won't be issued today, but Siemian was working before Ponder in individual drills as practice began.

Denver Native (Carol)
11-25-2015, 03:33 PM
ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- As Christian Ponder took his first snaps in a Broncos practice jersey, OLB DeMarcus Ware worked with Strength and Conditioning Coach Luke Richesson on the south end of the practice fields as the Broncos began their preparations for the New England Patriots.

Ware has not played or practiced since re-injuring his back against the Indianapolis Colts on Nov. 8, and did not travel with the team to Chicago last weekend.

He was not in uniform spent the opening periods of practice working on flexibility drills with his legs.

LG Evan Mathis also did not practice. Mathis injured his ankle late in last Sunday's win over the Bears. He dealt with a hamstring injury earlier in the season, which helped lead to the decision to give rookie Max Garcia at least one series of work in Mathis' place in recent games.

rest - http://www.denverbroncos.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Broncos-Injury-Update-DeMarcus-Ware-works-out/ea9829d2-7d62-45f3-9389-ee45b57a81b0

Denver Native (Carol)
11-25-2015, 04:00 PM
BTV Live: Coach Kubiak, Brock and Coordinators
Watch Live as Coach Kubiak, Brock Osweiler and the Coordinators address the media after Wednesday's practice.

http://www.denverbroncos.com/multimedia/videos/BTV-Live-Coach-Kubiak-Brock-and-Coordinators/733a0073-14cf-4e4d-82e8-b2a794ad7c0d

I think Kubes has already talked. Not sure who is next

Denver Native (Carol)
11-25-2015, 04:02 PM
Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 18m

Kubiak said to beat #Patriots "have to play as good as you can possibly play"

Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 22m

Kubiak said that both Ware and Mathis have to make up ground to be ready for Sunday But still have time #Broncos

Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 23m

Manning will wear cast 7-10 days. Kubiak holding out hope that will contribute again. But won't know when until see how foot responds

Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 26m

Ware and Mathis did not practice. Sanders limited. Manning wearing cast. Attending meetings

Denver Native (Carol)
11-25-2015, 04:07 PM
Brock is talking now

Denver Native (Carol)
11-25-2015, 04:11 PM
Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 13s

Osweiler said Manning was in meetings and at practice helping him

Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 2m

#broncos Brock Osweiler on AFC Player of Week honors "I didn't believe it. It's a credit to the team"

VonDoom
11-25-2015, 04:39 PM
Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 13s

Osweiler said Manning was in meetings and at practice helping him

Vic Lombardi ‏@VicLombardi 14m14 minutes ago

Osweiler said Manning worked with him on the practice field today. Offered some tips on how to handle the Pats defense.

What a terrible, selfish teammate, am I right?

GEM
11-25-2015, 04:58 PM
Brandon Marshall was on the radio last night and said that the broken screw in his foot was very painful the first couple of weeks, but has since really not caused much discomfort anymore. He also said he is playing out of his mind for him, the team, his family and other NFL teams if it had to go that way. I get that it's always a possibility, but I hate hearing that.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
11-25-2015, 05:05 PM
Vic Lombardi ‏@VicLombardi 14m14 minutes ago

Osweiler said Manning worked with him on the practice field today. Offered some tips on how to handle the Pats defense.

What a terrible, selfish teammate, am I right?

He's a scum sucking pick, a son of a motherless goat.

Valar Morghulis
11-25-2015, 05:06 PM
He's a scum sucking pick, a son of a motherless goat.

I am just so disappointed in him

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
11-25-2015, 05:06 PM
Brandon Marshall was on the radio last night and said that the broken screw in his foot was very painful the first couple of weeks, but has since really not caused much discomfort anymore. He also said he is playing out of his mind for him, the team, his family and other NFL teams if it had to go that way. I get that it's always a possibility, but I hate hearing that.

If it had to go what way?

Joel
11-25-2015, 05:20 PM
If it had to go what way?
To another team. He's restricted though, so I'd be slightly surprised if we don't keep him if we no longer have Mannings salary hanging over our heads.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
11-25-2015, 05:36 PM
To another team. He's restricted though, so I'd be slightly surprised if we don't keep him if we no longer have Mannings salary hanging over our heads.

Gotcha....I missed the other NFL teams part.

wayninja
11-25-2015, 05:37 PM
I am just so disappointed in him

He's had 3.5 years with him, how could he help now? Besides, he needs to be rehabbing, not wasting his time doing nothing productive.

Denver Native (Carol)
11-25-2015, 05:37 PM
Ponder describes his first day with the Broncos
Quarterback Christian Ponder discusses how he came to sign with Denver, including what he was doing when he got the call.

http://www.denverbroncos.com/multimedia/videos/Ponder-describes-his-first-day-with-the-Broncos/c959a449-1fa8-4d48-ad22-1617d3584b52

Valar Morghulis
11-25-2015, 05:42 PM
Ponder describes his first day with the Broncos Quarterback Christian Ponder discusses how he came to sign with Denver, including what he was doing when he got the call. http://www.denverbroncos.com/multimedia/videos/Ponder-describes-his-first-day-with-the-Broncos/c959a449-1fa8-4d48-ad22-1617d3584b52

I like the fact he grew up a Broncos fan

BroncoWave
11-25-2015, 05:44 PM
He's had 3.5 years with him, how could he help now? Besides, he needs to be rehabbing, not wasting his time doing nothing productive.

Now he is in a cast so there is literally nothing he can do to rehab it. It just has to stay in the cast and heal.

This now proves that your whole theory about Manning being a bad teammate and refusing to travel with the team/help Brock was just a giant load of bullshit.

wayninja
11-25-2015, 05:47 PM
Now he is in a cast so there is literally nothing he can do to rehab it. It just has to stay in the cast and heal.

This now proves that your whole theory about Manning being a bad teammate and refusing to travel with the team/help Brock was just a giant load of bullshit.

It would, if I put forth such a theory. If you want to go find my "theory" and quote it, I'll be happy to wait. What it does do though, is show that Manning easily could have traveled to Chicago with no adverse affects.

BroncoWave
11-25-2015, 05:48 PM
What it does do though, is show that Manning easily could have traveled to Chicago with no adverse affects.

Oh does it now? Where did you get your medical degree?

wayninja
11-25-2015, 05:50 PM
Oh does it now? Where did you get your medical degree?

Lol.

Davii
11-25-2015, 05:53 PM
It would, if I put forth such a theory. If you want to go find my "theory" and quote it, I'll be happy to wait. What it does do though, is show that Manning easily could have traveled to Chicago with no adverse affects.

Forgive me if I'm uninformed, but didn't he just get the boot on Monday after traveling to North Carolina?

BroncoWave
11-25-2015, 05:54 PM
Luckly for me I do have access in my own home to someone who is in fact very close to being a fully certified doctor so I just asked her about it. She said it probably would be detrimental for him to go through the whole process of traveling as it would involve him to be on his feet quite a bit and would do more harm than good in terms of healing. Not necessarily the being in a plane part, but all the walking and activity that would occur around that.

She just straight up laughed when I told her about the criticism of him not being able to fly to Chicago but being able to fly for his doctor's visit. As we all tried to tell you, totally different scenario. The first one just leads to a weekend of unnecessary stress on his body. The second leads to him going directly to someone who can help him heal, which is by far a net positive.

Should I have her poke any more holes in your argument or are we good now?

wayninja
11-25-2015, 05:59 PM
Luckly for me I do have access in my own home to someone who is in fact very close to being a fully certified doctor so I just asked her about it. She said it probably would be detrimental for him to go through the whole process of traveling as it would involve him to be on his feet quite a bit and would do more harm than good in terms of healing. Not necessarily the being in a plane part, but all the walking and activity that would occur around that.

She just straight up laughed when I told her about the criticism of him not being able to fly to Chicago but being able to fly for his doctor's visit. As we all tried to tell you, totally different scenario. The first one just leads to a weekend of unnecessary stress on his body. The second leads to him going directly to someone who can help him heal, which is by far a net positive.

Should I have her poke any more holes in your argument or are we good now?

We are good. I was a bit disappointed by his decision. I'm genuinely glad he was able save his foot from frostbite or having it break in half due to the various strains put on it. Now that it's in a boot, his non-rehab can really begin without any undue risks. As a professional athlete, you definitely don't want to put yourself in a position where you could get hurt.

Davii
11-25-2015, 06:25 PM
We are good. I was a bit disappointed by his decision. I'm genuinely glad he was able save his foot from frostbite or having it break in half due to the various strains put on it. Now that it's in a boot, his non-rehab can really begin without any undue risks. As a professional athlete, you definitely don't want to put yourself in a position where you could get hurt.

Are we assuming it was his choice or is there something out there stating that? Do we also know if it was Ware's choice or not?

Denver Native (Carol)
11-25-2015, 06:44 PM
It would, if I put forth such a theory. If you want to go find my "theory" and quote it, I'll be happy to wait. What it does do though, is show that Manning easily could have traveled to Chicago with no adverse affects.


ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- Peyton Manning and DeMarcus Ware will not travel to Chicago with their teammates this weekend so they can focus on their recovery from injuries that kept them out of practice all week.

"They said, 'You can go and sit out in the cold and just sit out there, or you can get two extra days of treatment to speed up your recovery.' That's what we're doing," Ware said after Friday's practice.

"We're just two guys trying to get better and keep each other supported," he said.

http://www.denverbroncos.com/news-an...a-e55a1623a691

Denver Native (Carol)
11-25-2015, 06:46 PM
Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 2h

Phillips on how doing without DeMarcus Ware? "Not as well. He's a force don't have right now and a force we hope to get back."

Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 2h

Phillips said obviously they will look to double-team Gronkowski. Can't do it every play. And key is need to get pressure on Brady

wayninja
11-25-2015, 07:04 PM
http://www.denverbroncos.com/news-an...a-e55a1623a691

Yeah, I've heard this before. What treatment was he getting exactly before putting it in a cast?

Whatever, I'm over this. He could have gone to the game if he wanted to, your link shows that. I'm disappointed he didn't go. Maybe he had a good reason or just thought he had a good reason. I would rather have seem him there.

Davii
11-25-2015, 07:06 PM
Yeah, I've heard this before. What treatment was he getting exactly before putting it in a cast?

Whatever, I'm over this. He could have gone to the game if he wanted to, your link shows that. I'm disappointed he didn't go. Maybe he had a good reason or just thought he had a good reason. I would rather have seem him there.

What about Ware? Similarly disappointed?

Yashahla17
11-25-2015, 07:18 PM
What about Ware? Similarly disappointed?

Back spasms are worse than having a foot injury though, back spasms can leave you crawling from room to room, stop you in your tracks walking. If i had severe back spasms like ware i would stay home, but my foot is injured i would still make moves because its nothing a pair of crutches can't solve. Either way none of this matters.

Joel
11-25-2015, 07:31 PM
What about Ware? Similarly disappointed?
Not according to his other comments: Ware's a great leader and teammate because he went with the team to Cleveland despite injury (as did Manning) and gave them a rousing halftime speech; Manning's a selfish bad teammate because he didn't go to Chicago when injured (as Ware also didn't.) Only difference I can see there is the PLAYERS involved, not their BEHAVIOR, which strongly suggests the complaint generally underlying all the others.

wayninja
11-25-2015, 07:31 PM
What about Ware? Similarly disappointed?

Nope. Ware traveled to Cleveland with the team the week after his injury and delivered a motivational half time speech. He showed the team he was there for them.

It's also not exactly the same thing. Ware is a leader, I'm not denying that, but there is only 1 starting QB.

wayninja
11-25-2015, 07:31 PM
Not according to his other comments: Ware's a great leader and teammate because he went with the team to Cleveland despite injury (as did Manning) and gave them a rousing halftime speech; Manning's a selfish bad teammate because he didn't go to Chicago when injured (as Ware also didn't.) Only difference I can see there is the PLAYERS involved, not their BEHAVIOR, which strongly suggests the complaint generally underlying all the others.

Oh, stuff it. I never said Manning was selfish or a bad teammate. Some of you guys have severe butthurt over my mild disappointment.

And if that's the only difference you see, then you are being intentionally dense.

Joel
11-25-2015, 07:38 PM
Back spasms are worse than having a foot injury though, back spasms can leave you crawling from room to room, stop you in your tracks walking. If i had severe back spasms like ware i would stay home, but my foot is injured i would still make moves because its nothing a pair of crutches can't solve. Either way none of this matters.
I truly hope Oz is the first ballot HoFer one start and a half dozen preseason games convinced you he is—because I'm pretty sure none of us want to spend the next 1½ seasons listening to you rant about Kubiak "sabotaging" him if he sucks. And the history of NFL drafts says that's the most likely scenario. So I'm gonna make it a point to really enjoy this Thanksgiving (even without stuffing :() since there's a good chance I'll hang myself before the next one.

Joel
11-25-2015, 07:44 PM
Nope. Ware traveled to Cleveland with the team the week after his injury and delivered a motivational half time speech. He showed the team he was there for them.
Manning had already incurred his injury then (though it was still "only" a strain, not a tear) but did far more than just speak. Note: This is not an expression of "disappointment" in Ware, just an acknowledgement of his physical limitations.[/QUOTE]


It's also not exactly the same thing. Ware is a leader, I'm not denying that, but there is only 1 starting QB.
Right: One is a key player who's heart and soul of the defense, but the other of the offense; TOTALLY different. Which one spared you disappointment by flying to Chicago to stand on a freezing sideline in street clothes because NFL rules TECHNICALLY allow him to play without pads or a uniform (even though they actually don't)?


"They said, 'You can go and sit out in the cold and just sit out there, or you can get two extra days of treatment to speed up your recovery.' That's what we're doing," Ware said after Friday's practice.

"We're just two guys trying to get better and keep each other supported," he said.
Still unclear on the distinction there; could you further explain it to me—and Ware?


Oh, stuff it. I never said Manning was selfish or a bad teammate. Some of you guys have severe butthurt over my mild disappointment.
You made a critical but illogical statement then, when that was demonstrated, tried to marginalize and minimize yet steadfastly stand by its illogic. Mainly by digging the hole deeper; saying it's a molehill rather than a mountain doesn't make it any less a rapidly deepening hole.


And if that's the only difference you see, then you are being intentionally dense.
Incapacity precludes intent; if I COULD see another significant difference, I'd say so. So far all I see are claims it's easier to walk with a torn foot muscle than a strained back muscle, traveling and walking on an injured foot can't harm it and traveling to get an injury examined and treated impairs its healing just as much as traveling for no good reason.

Denver Native (Carol)
11-25-2015, 07:44 PM
Yeah, I've heard this before. What treatment was he getting exactly before putting it in a cast?

Whatever, I'm over this. He could have gone to the game if he wanted to, your link shows that. I'm disappointed he didn't go. Maybe he had a good reason or just thought he had a good reason. I would rather have seem him there.

Why are you coming down on Peyton, and not DeMarcus??????

wayninja
11-25-2015, 07:56 PM
Manning had already incurred his injury then (though it was still "only" a strain, not a tear) but did far more than just speak. Note: This is not an expression of "disappointment" in Ware, just an acknowledgement of his physical limitations.

Link? Nothing on the pre-game injury report that was injury related.



Right: One is a key player who's heart and soul of the defense, but the other of the offense; TOTALLY different. Which one spared you disappointment by flying to Chicago to stand on a freezing sideline in street clothes because NFL rules TECHNICALLY allow him to play without pads or a uniform (even though they actually don't)?

I would argue that there are several other "leaders" on defense. But that's sorta my point, there is only 1 guy leading the offense, and it's not debatable.



Still unclear on the distinction there; could you further explain it to me—and Ware?

Distinction about what?

Joel
11-25-2015, 07:59 PM
Why are you coming down on Peyton, and not DeMarcus??????
Probably because no one's accused Ware of struggling through injuries just to selfishly chase individual records when he should've retired last year. Funny thing though: Wares back injury's plagued him at least since 2013, when our game against Dallas was his first since missing several due to that same nagging injury. They may BOTH retire.

Joel
11-25-2015, 08:06 PM
Link? Nothing on the pre-game injury report that was injury related.
I forget where I read it, but reports on his trip to see the specialist in NC claimed he'd strained the ligament a MONTH before the Colts game, then torn it @Indy. There have also been a lot of reports on plantar fasciitis making just WALKING excruciating, let alone playing 4 quarters of football in each of 4 weeks (plus an OT.)


I would argue that there are several other "leaders" on defense. But that's sorta my point, there is only 1 guy leading the offense, and it's not debatable.
The extent the #1 D has collapsed without that ONE veteran leader argues otherwise.


Distinction about what?

Between Ware and Manning both staying home to rest and get treatment, not fly to Chicago for a game they knew they couldn't play anyway. Ware says there's NO distinction.

wayninja
11-25-2015, 08:09 PM
Why are you coming down on Peyton, and not DeMarcus??????

1. I'm not coming down on anyone, I'm not sure I mentioned it, but I was only mildly disappointed that Manning didn't go to the chicago game
2. Demarcus did travel with the team the very first week he was declared out (which I think is the most important time), to show he was with the guys. Several weeks later and actually doing rehab on his back, it's not nearly as important, IMO.
3. The two players have different roles on the team. While Demarcus is A leader, Manning is (or should be) THE leader.

wayninja
11-25-2015, 08:13 PM
I forget where I read it, but reports on his trip to see the specialist in NC claimed he'd strained the ligament a MONTH before the Colts game, then torn it @Indy. There have also been a lot of reports on plantar fasciitis making just WALKING excruciating, let alone playing 4 quarters of football in each of 4 weeks (plus an OT.)

Well, then forgive me if I completely discount what you are saying. I heard from so and so isn't a compelling argument. Also, am I supposed to be happy that Manning decided to play with an injury that made it worse to the point where he admitted he hurt his team? I'm not really sure where you are going with this, but it doesn't look like any direction that supports being NOT disappointed with his decision(s).


Between Ware and Manning both staying home to rest and get treatment, not fly to Chicago for a game they knew they couldn't play anyway. Ware says there's NO distinction.

Give me a break. I don't even know where to start with this. You aren't trying to argue, at least not in any compelling way, you are just trying to find very minor logical cracks into which you can pounce, and they are just silly. Ware didn't say there was no distinction. He said they were both given the choice and implied that the desire by the coaching staff was that they stay. What else is he going to say? We were asked to come and said "**** you team"? Manning and ware, their roles on the team, and their respective injuries are not identical.

BroncoWave
11-25-2015, 08:19 PM
Back spasms are worse than having a foot injury though, back spasms can leave you crawling from room to room, stop you in your tracks walking. If i had severe back spasms like ware i would stay home, but my foot is injured i would still make moves because its nothing a pair of crutches can't solve. Either way none of this matters.

Have you ever been on crutches? Those things start to hurt your palms and armpits like shit after a few days of walking on them. I had a severe ankle sprain when I was younger, one that slightly tore some ligaments and put me on crutches, and after about 3 days, it hurt me less to just walk on the bad ankle than to keep using the crutches.

I would not blame him one bit for wanting to stay off them as much as possible.

Denver Native (Carol)
11-25-2015, 08:43 PM
Kubiak on Patriots defense, signing Ponder
Head Coach Gary Kubiak says the Patriots are "as good a defensive football team as we've played this year."
http://www.denverbroncos.com/multimedia/videos/Kubiak_on_Patriots_defense_signing_Ponder/cf6f52fe-47b2-4282-be75-83ad776b615d

Osweiler: Winning first start 'cements' confidence
Brock Osweiler talks about being named the AFC Offensive Player of the Week and facing the Patriots defense.
http://www.denverbroncos.com/multimedia/videos/Osweiler_Winning_first_start_cements_confidence/36f1fd51-25b7-4f15-ba72-6fd0c6b6c5d6

DeCamillis: 'We have our work cut out for us'
Special Teams Coordinator Joe DeCamillis talks about facing Belichick and whether Sanders will punt return on Sunday.
http://www.denverbroncos.com/multimedia/videos/DeCamillis_We_have_our_work_cut_out_for_us_/bd5eef53-9954-4c78-8e41-0c9c66e6d6b7

Gronk reminds Phillips of Shannon Sharpe
Defensive Coordinator Wade Phillips says Patriots TE Rob Gronkowski reminds him of Hall of Fame TE Shannon Sharpe.
http://www.denverbroncos.com/multimedia/videos/Gronk_reminds_Phillips_of_Shannon_Sharpe/7ae066e7-55ab-42e2-9144-0ca59e5d986a

Dennison talks next step for Osweiler
Offensive Coordinator Rick Dennison talked about Brock Osweiler's progress and the challenges the Patriots defense presents.
http://www.denverbroncos.com/multimedia/videos/Dennison_talks_next_step_for_Osweiler/e9373bc4-8e33-430b-afa0-19a704a48d28

Denver Native (Carol)
11-25-2015, 08:49 PM
1. I'm not coming down on anyone, I'm not sure I mentioned it, but I was only mildly disappointed that Manning didn't go to the chicago game
2. Demarcus did travel with the team the very first week he was declared out (which I think is the most important time), to show he was with the guys. Several weeks later and actually doing rehab on his back, it's not nearly as important, IMO.
3. The two players have different roles on the team. While Demarcus is A leader, Manning is (or should be) THE leader.

Kubiak: Manning will not travel with team
Head Coach Gary Kubiak gives his final injury report for the week on Friday, and he also says that Peyton Manning will not travel with the team to Chicago
http://www.denverbroncos.com/multimedia/videos/Kubiak_Manning_will_not_travel_with_team/9e4c1077-831e-400e-9efb-305009c0d18c

Joel
11-25-2015, 08:59 PM
Well, then forgive me if I completely discount what you are saying. I heard from so and so isn't a compelling argument.
Alright then, here's the link; it's from Schefter writing at ESPN last week (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14143938/peyton-manning-denver-broncos-torn-plantar-fascia-left-foot):

Sources told ESPN that Manning has battled plantar fasciitis for weeks but is believed to have aggravated the injury against Indianapolis on Nov. 8, resulting in a partial tear of his plantar fascia. Almost always, a partial tear is more painful to play with than a complete tear.
If anyone needs reminding, the Browns game was three weeks before the Colts game.

Incidentally, further down in that article is a comment from Eli about suffering the same injury a few years ago:


"Hopefully, he'll figure out a way to feel as good as he can and get a plan for getting back to playing the way he knows how to play," Eli Manning said Monday. ""It was a few weeks, probably 3-4 weeks, before the pain was away and I was able to perform a normal way and the way I'm accustomed to.
Everyone's different, and Eli's younger than Peyton NOW, let alone then, but there's reason to believe this isn't season- (and thus probably career-) ending.


Also, am I supposed to be happy that Manning decided to play with an injury that made it worse to the point where he admitted he hurt his team?
No, you're not; I'm certainly disappointed in him for that bad judgement, despite believing it came from the right place (i.e. being the good teammate you claim he's not) and disappointed in Kubiak for letting him despite knowing it was unwise. It not only hurt the team against KC, but by delaying Mannings recovery time in general, and more so by aggravating an injury that could (and should) have been healing. Had he skipped that game as well as the last, there might actually be an outside he could play this week: Not now.


I'm not really sure where you are going with this, but it doesn't look like any direction that supports being NOT disappointed with his decision(s).
We're not talking about the one decision you SPECIFICALLY criticized: When he AND WARE chose to do as the coaches wanted despite permission to do otherwise.


Give me a break. I don't even know where to start with this. You aren't trying to argue, at least not in any compelling way, you are just trying to find very minor logical cracks into which you can pounce, and they are just silly. Ware didn't say there was no distinction. He said they were both given the choice and implied that the desire by the coaching staff was that they stay. What else is he going to say? We were asked to come and said "**** you team"? Manning and ware, their roles on the team, and their respective injuries are not identical.
That logical crack's not minor, but foundational: It's a double standard, because two players did the EXACT SAME THING for the EXACT SAME REASON, yet you criticize one for that decision while laudingly declaring the other "a keeper." The difference between Manning and Wares roles are that their beloved, guiding and inspiring veteran captains of opposing units, and that's the SOLE difference. Ware saying BOTH got the SAME option and BOTH chose the SAME one is Ware saying there's NO distinction.

Denver Native (Carol)
11-25-2015, 09:38 PM
Vic Lombardi ‏@VicLombardi 5h

Pretty disappointing how many Broncos fans are treating 18 with such venom. Dude just wants to play. Some of the name-calling. Wow. Just wow

Vic Lombardi ‏@VicLombardi 5h

The guy gets get for helping, not helping. Going to meetings, not going to meetings. Can't win. Sad.

Vic Lombardi ‏@VicLombardi 5h

Spoke to Manning briefly in the locker room. Seems to be in very good spirits given the circumstances. #Broncos

SR
11-25-2015, 09:39 PM
Yep.

BroncoWave
11-25-2015, 09:40 PM
I'll be the first in line to criticize Manning for his play on the field, because it is now shit, but the criticism for the off the field stuff over the last week has been absolutely ridiculous. I just don't get turning on Manning the person. He's as good a dude as they come IMO and I don't think he would do anything to hurt Os or the team.

Yashahla17
11-25-2015, 09:49 PM
Have you ever been on crutches? Those things start to hurt your palms and armpits like shit after a few days of walking on them. I had a severe ankle sprain when I was younger, one that slightly tore some ligaments and put me on crutches, and after about 3 days, it hurt me less to just walk on the bad ankle than to keep using the crutches.

I would not blame him one bit for wanting to stay off them as much as possible.

Yeah ive been on crutches, back when they had the thin hard pad for underneath your arm pits, now they have the smushy gel pads that feel great.

Standing on the sideline is not really crutching around for three days though.

Magnificent Seven
11-25-2015, 09:52 PM
What's the status on DeMarcus Ware?

Davii
11-25-2015, 09:54 PM
Have you ever been on crutches? Those things start to hurt your palms and armpits like shit after a few days of walking on them. I had a severe ankle sprain when I was younger, one that slightly tore some ligaments and put me on crutches, and after about 3 days, it hurt me less to just walk on the bad ankle than to keep using the crutches.

I would not blame him one bit for wanting to stay off them as much as possible.

Also, I'm sure the team doctor told him to stay off his feet to rest the ligament.

Yashahla17
11-25-2015, 10:10 PM
Also, I'm sure the team doctor told him to stay off his feet to rest the ligament.

So How did he get to the air port, to his hotel etc etc and back? on a drone? Some kind of jet pack suit? Sweeeeet.

wayninja
11-25-2015, 10:23 PM
Alright then, here's the link; it's from Schefter writing at ESPN last week (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14143938/peyton-manning-denver-broncos-torn-plantar-fascia-left-foot):

If anyone needs reminding, the Browns game was three weeks before the Colts game.

Wait. He's had a partial tear in his foot for weeks and played multiple games on it? But it's only going to be another 2 weeks to heal? Yeah, something doesn't add up there. If this is true, why the pretense that it's because he's hurt? Apparently, he's been hurt most of the year with the same injury? How can someone play football with that injury, but attending a game on the sidelines is too taxing? Sorry, but this just isn't helping your argument.


That logical crack's not minor, but foundational: It's a double standard, because two players did the EXACT SAME THING for the EXACT SAME REASON, yet you criticize one for that decision while laudingly declaring the other "a keeper."

Ware is a keeper. But you are the one being illogical. They didn't do the same exact thing, and didn't do it for the same exact reason. This was not Ware's first week out. Ware's injury and rehab is not the same. It's just not the same no matter how much you want to say it is. Even if it were the same, I still don't see Ware being the team leader that Manning is supposed to be.


The difference between Manning and Wares roles are that their beloved, guiding and inspiring veteran captains of opposing units, and that's the SOLE difference. Ware saying BOTH got the SAME option and BOTH chose the SAME one is Ware saying there's NO distinction.

Mannings role to the team and Ware's role to the team are not the same. There's nothing more to say on this subject. You can keep claiming in all caps if you like, I'll never believe it.

Yashahla17
11-25-2015, 10:27 PM
Joel defeated his own argument

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
11-25-2015, 11:44 PM
I wonder, if I had an injury in my foot, if it would be good to stand on it in freezing temperatures for several hours. Can anyone help me here?

wayninja
11-25-2015, 11:54 PM
I wonder, if I had an injury in my foot, if it would be good to stand on it in freezing temperatures for several hours. Can anyone help me here?

Probably slightly better than planting/throwing, running on it, I would imagine.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
11-26-2015, 01:22 AM
Probably slightly better than planting/throwing, running on it, I would imagine.

:laugh:

Touche

Joel
11-26-2015, 04:35 AM
Wait. He's had a partial tear in his foot for weeks and played multiple games on it? But it's only going to be another 2 weeks to heal? Yeah, something doesn't add up there. If this is true, why the pretense that it's because he's hurt? Apparently, he's been hurt most of the year with the same injury? How can someone play football with that injury, but attending a game on the sidelines is too taxing? Sorry, but this just isn't helping your argument.
Read the link: He had a STRAIN for weaks that TORE @Indy, which is when he should've sat down, gotten treatment and started healing so we'd have him back soon (possibly even this week, though probably not) instead of making it worse by playing a Chiefs game far less critical than the ones against NE* and Cincy (not to mention the playoffs.)


Ware is a keeper. But you are the one being illogical. They didn't do the same exact thing, and didn't do it for the same exact reason. This was not Ware's first week out. Ware's injury and rehab is not the same. It's just not the same no matter how much you want to say it is. Even if it were the same, I still don't see Ware being the team leader that Manning is supposed to be.
Read Wares quote, because HE said they were in EXACTLY the same boat. Though I suppose one could argue Ware's had more time to heal, while Mannings injury was still fresh.


Mannings role to the team and Ware's role to the team are not the same. There's nothing more to say on this subject. You can keep claiming in all caps if you like, I'll never believe it.
You can keep denying in normal print, too, with the same non-effect.


I wonder, if I had an injury in my foot, if it would be good to stand on it in freezing temperatures for several hours. Can anyone help me here?
Nah, as long as you rested it while it's swelled for a couple hours on a plane each way, and in freezing temperatures 4 hours in between, you'd be fine. But, for heavens sake, DON'T GET IT TREATED; that inexplicably makes it worse.

BroncoWave
11-26-2015, 09:16 AM
Also, I'm sure the team doctor told him to stay off his feet to rest the ligament.

Yeah, but what does this "team doctor" know anyway?

Davii
11-26-2015, 01:25 PM
Yeah, but what does this "team doctor" know anyway?

Apparently less than some armchair podiatrists.

VonDoom
11-26-2015, 01:40 PM
Sounds like Ware isn't playing Sunday, which is unfortunate. Pass rush hasn't been the same without him

Joel
11-26-2015, 01:55 PM
Sounds like Ware isn't playing Sunday, which is unfortunate. Pass rush hasn't been the same without him
Whole defense hasn't, IMHO, except for the GB game (which has looked less and less significant nearly every week.) I realize less pass rush makes life harder for the secondary, but if they could cover ALL Packer receivers for 6-7 seconds every down, they should be able to cover Hilton and nobody or Bennett and nobody >2. Even if they can't, that still doesn't explain all the late and/or cheap shots. I'll be glad when Ware's back not only as a pass rusher, but to keep everyone's head in the game in the huddle.

Denver Native (Carol)
11-27-2015, 05:33 PM
Friday practice with special guest Tiesto

DJ, producer and Broncos fan Tiesto made a special guest appearance at practice Friday.

http://www.denverbroncos.com/multimedia/photo-gallery/Friday-practice-with-special-guest-Tiesto/47b88308-bb17-4e1a-b4ac-da9833eb29a5#start

Q&A with Tiesto: DJ, producer and Broncos fan

http://www.denverbroncos.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/QA-with-Tiesto-DJ-producer-and-Broncos-fan/0c1a50d3-ffbc-469c-b6ed-ac9f938e33a5

Denver Native (Carol)
11-27-2015, 05:50 PM
Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 3h

#broncos Sanders said "you think of Brady when think of a patriots. But this is best defense we have faced"

Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 3h

Sanders "I am good. I am physically and mentally good. It was best decision to rest last week"

Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 3h

Kubiak said will talk with Manning to determine if will be on sideline or in the coaches' booth upstairs during the game. #Broncos

Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 3h

Kubiak said Manning has done his part, and "really helped Brock out this week."

Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 3h

Kubiak on Mathis "He looked good. Max has had a good week. Will be a game-time decision on Mathis."

Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 3h

Kubiak said Mathis practiced and is listed as questionable.. Everyone else is probable... #Broncos

Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 4h

#broncos Evan Mathis (ankle) is going through drills. Puts him position to have a chance to play Sunday

Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 4h

No DeMarcus Ware practicing. As I reported yesterday Ware told me he's not playing

Denver Native (Carol)
11-27-2015, 05:51 PM
Jeff Legwold ‏@Jeff_Legwold 1h

10 games into season only one #Broncos player has played every snap on either offense or defense -- C Matt Paradis. He'll be there a while.

Jeff Legwold ‏@Jeff_Legwold 1h

Officially for #Broncos, WR Emmanuel Sanders listed at probable for Sunday night. Looked full go at Friday's practice -- crisp routes.

spikerman
11-27-2015, 06:18 PM
Friday practice with special guest Tiesto

DJ, producer and Broncos fan Tiesto made a special guest appearance at practice Friday.

http://www.denverbroncos.com/multimedia/photo-gallery/Friday-practice-with-special-guest-Tiesto/47b88308-bb17-4e1a-b4ac-da9833eb29a5#start

Q&A with Tiesto: DJ, producer and Broncos fan

http://www.denverbroncos.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/QA-with-Tiesto-DJ-producer-and-Broncos-fan/0c1a50d3-ffbc-469c-b6ed-ac9f938e33a5
Ok,I'll be that guy. Who in the heck is Tiesto?

Joel
11-27-2015, 06:19 PM
Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 3h

Kubiak on Mathis "He looked good. Max has had a good week. Will be a game-time decision on Mathis."

Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 3h

Kubiak said Mathis practiced and is listed as questionable.. Everyone else is probable... #Broncos
I saw on Rotoworld or Spotrac (forget which) that roughly 40% of Mathis' contract is playing time incentives; I've not seen exact numbers but wonder if he might soon miss out on $1½ million by getting benched for Garcia. He's NEVER looked good this season, let alone the All Pro we paid for, and has been in and out of the lineup for a while with nagging injuries. Age and injury forced Manning to sit out for extended recovery time, and made him useless when playing through it: Is Mathis so different...?

wayninja
11-27-2015, 06:39 PM
Ok,I'll be that guy. Who in the heck is Tiesto?

He's a DJ. Techno music, raves. He's actually pretty damn talented. Probably one of the best in that genre, if you like that sort of thing.

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TXBRONC
11-27-2015, 07:10 PM
Might as well start this now, since the big news that people were waiting on is coming today:

Chris Mortensen ‏@mortreport 18m18 minutes ago

Brock Osweiler will make another start for the Broncos against the Patriots on Sunday night, per team sources. More on NFL Insiders, 2:30 ET

Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 15m15 minutes ago

Kubiak will talk to media in a few minutes. Expectation is that Osweiler starts and Manning gets more time to heal from injuries. #Broncos

Lindsay Jones ‏@bylindsayhjones 13m13 minutes ago

Naming Brock the starter for this week was something Gary Kubiak had to do. I'm sure Peyton Manning didn't like it, but it's the right call.

If he isn't healthy enough to play he doesn't belong on the field.

spikerman
11-27-2015, 07:12 PM
Thanks Ninja.

Not my cup of tea, but obviously some people like him.

VonDoom
11-27-2015, 09:23 PM
It appears Amendola is out for NE. Mathis questionable for us, Sanders probable, thankfully

Denver Native (Carol)
11-27-2015, 09:38 PM
Andrew Mason ‏@MaseDenver 7h

Kubiak said Manning was watching practice today.

Andrew Mason ‏@MaseDenver 7h

Kubiak said he notices that Osweiler gets progressively better in practice throughout each week.

Andrew Mason ‏@MaseDenver 7h

Evan Mathis will be a "game-time decision," Kubiak said. Mathis "looked good" in his work Friday.

Andrew Mason ‏@MaseDenver 7h

Practice went "a little longer" today to make up for some work lost Thursday to the holiday.

Yashahla17
11-28-2015, 12:43 AM
It appears Amendola is out for NE. Mathis questionable for us, Sanders probable, thankfully

So amendola and edelman are out for NE?

I pretty much hope Mathis doesn't play. I'd rather Garcia play.

Denver Native (Carol)
11-28-2015, 07:26 PM
Danny Amendola (knee) won't travel to play Broncos

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000589483/article/danny-amendola-knee-wont-travel-to-play-broncos

wayninja
11-28-2015, 10:54 PM
I'll officially say that I'm not disappointed that Amendola isn't coming.

BroncoWave
11-28-2015, 10:58 PM
I've been reading online that Denver could get like 10 inches of snow tomorrow night? I would love that. Will take any equalizer against these guys that we can get.

wayninja
11-28-2015, 10:59 PM
I've been reading online that Denver could get like 10 inches of snow tomorrow night? I would love that. Will take any equalizer against these guys that we can get.

That's something me and Denver have in common. We say 10 inches when we really mean a healthy 5 and a half.

BroncoWave
11-28-2015, 11:01 PM
That's something me and Denver have in common. We say 10 inches when we really mean a healthy 5 and a half.

I'll be sporting at least a healthy 5 and a half tomorrow if Denver can get this win. :)

wayninja
11-28-2015, 11:03 PM
I'll be sporting at least a healthy 5 and a half tomorrow if Denver can get this win. :)

Uh oh. What have I created?

Davii
11-28-2015, 11:31 PM
Danny Amendola (knee) won't travel to play Broncos

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000589483/article/danny-amendola-knee-wont-travel-to-play-broncos

He's not even making the trip? Wow. I hope the NE fans give him a ration of shit and act like he's the worst person ever.

Wait, that only happens to PFM.

NightTerror218
11-28-2015, 11:47 PM
He's not even making the trip? Wow. I hope the NE fans give him a ration of shit and act like he's the worst person ever.

Wait, that only happens to PFM.

Well you only take a certain number of players on road trips

VonDoom
11-28-2015, 11:48 PM
He's not even making the trip? Wow. I hope the NE fans give him a ration of shit and act like he's the worst person ever.

Wait, that only happens to PFM.

He needs to show leadership and be there for his team. What a jerk face

Timmy!
11-28-2015, 11:51 PM
He is a horrible teammate.

Sincerely,
wayninja

wayninja
11-28-2015, 11:57 PM
Idiots. And late to the party.

Timmy!
11-29-2015, 12:00 AM
Idiots. And late to the party.

I was busy trying to eat pie with a half paralyzed face you insensitive douche canoe. :D

wayninja
11-29-2015, 12:01 AM
I was busy trying to eat pie with a half paralyzed face you insensitive douche canoe. :D

Way to be a leader for the other half of your face.

Timmy!
11-29-2015, 12:02 AM
Way to be a leader for the other half of your face.

#pielivesmatter