Some stats/paces at the quarter pole

[BroncoWave]

Somehow, we are already a quarter of the way through the season. It's insane how quickly football season zips by. I thought it would be interesting to look at our guys' stats and see what they would extrapolate to over the course of the season.

Offense:

Manning: 98/154 (63.6%), 968 yds, 6 TD, 5 INT
Pace: 392/616, 3,872 yds, 24 TD, 20 INT

Anderson: 43 att, 117 yds, 0 TD
Pace: 172 att, 468 yds, 0 TD

Hillman: 39 att, 191 yds, 2 TD
Pace: 156 att, 764 yds, 8 TD

Thomas: 33 rec, 361 yds, 1 TD
Pace: 132 rec, 1,444 yds, 4 TD

Sanders: 25 rec, 307 yds, 2 RD
Pace: 100 rec, 1,228 yds, 8 TD


DEFENSE:

Miller: 8 tackles, 2 sacks
Pace: 32 tackles, 8 sacks

Ware: 10 tackles, 4.5 sacks
Pace: 40 tackles, 18 sacks

Team: 18 sacks, on pace for 72 sacks

Team: 7 picks, on pace for 28 picks

ST:

MaManus: 9/9 FG, on pace for 36/36 FG


Thoughts: Looking at Manning's stats extrapolated over the season looks pretty ugly. Will be interesting to see where he ends up compared to this.

Given how lacking our passing game has been at times, Sanders and DT are still both on pace for some pretty studly seasons.

The running backs are both on pace for pretty mediocre seasons, but there were some signs of life today.

Von is the guy who I expect his final numbers will look most different from what his current pace is. He's lost like 3 sacks due to penalties this year and has been so close on others. His will come eventually.

Speaking of sack's I am loving Ware's pace, and would love to see him hit that number.

[CrazyHorse]

Von might not be getting sacks but he's definitely getting pressures.

[BroncoWave]

Von might not be getting sacks but he's definitely getting pressures.

Exactly, which is why I think the sacks will come sooner or later. He could just as easily have 5 or 6 sacks right now as he has 2.

[CrazyHorse]

I still think Manning get's 30 TD's and 4,000 yards.

[broncobryce]

Von is balling, hip thrusting, and ******* your sister while he's at it.

[wayninja]

Out of curiosity, how does CJ's 0TD's extrapolate to 8 over the course of the season? Not saying it's wrong, just trying to understand the Math.

[BroncoWave]

Out of curiosity, how does CJ's 0TD's extrapolate to 8 over the course of the season? Not saying it's wrong, just trying to understand the Math.

LOL, typo there obviously. Nice catch.

[HORSEPOWER 56]

Von might not be getting sacks but he's definitely getting pressures.

Exactly, which is why I think the sacks will come sooner or later. He could just as easily have 5 or 6 sacks right now as he has 2.

He's been getting robbed. He's had what 3 sacks nullified by penalties so far?

[Joel]

Pressures are overvalued, IMHO, because there value's so diminished in the playoffs: Top QBs live off their ability to stay cool and complete big passes a beat before the rush arrives. Knock downs matter, because that gets in their heads, but I've just seen too many QBs throw a TD or a big 3rd down conversion under pressure. Or maybe it's just a couple seasons of seeing Ayers and Phillips get LOTS of pressures only to hear people constantly say, "If he were as fast as Doom, it would've been a sack."

Like I say, just my humble sleep-deprived opinion. Biggest stat of the seasons first quarter: We have a 2 game division lead, and being undefeated means we're still pacing NE for homefield. In fact, we're technically half a game up, because this week's their bye.

[TXBRONC]

Exactly, which is why I think the sacks will come sooner or later. He could just as easily have 5 or 6 sacks right now as he has 2.

He would for sure have had three already had not been for a penalty in the Detroit game.

[SR]

Pressures are overvalued, IMHO, because there value's so diminished in the playoffs.

What?

[Joel]

What?
Sorry, "their." For the rest, the part after the colon was pretty clear. Knock downs are one thing, but just brushing a QB who just threw a TD or 20 yd conversion does little unless he's really young or really bad. Playoff calibre QBs just shrug it off as Bridgewater did all day Sunday; defenders don't dare rough, so unless they get close enough to deliver a hit as the ball leaves they're not rushing anyones throw.

[NightTerror218]

Wolfe has drawn a lot of attention from OL in the past. I think he will get more double teams the Walker has. This will help out Miller the most since he gets a lot of double teams.

Ware is already unstoppable, nothing can slow him down.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

What in tarnation is a quarter pole?

[sneakers]

Thinking about that defense give me a quarter of a pole

[BroncoWave]

Thinking about that defense give me a quarter of a pole

Just a quarter? I'm at least at half mast right now.

[LTC Pain]

What in tarnation is a quarter pole?

It's a horse racing term indicating how far around the track the horses (usually the lead horse) are in the race.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

It's a horse racing term indicating how far around the track the race is.

You shouldnt mock him for incorrectly using the term.

[LTC Pain]

You shouldnt mock him for incorrectly using the term.

Mocking to you, explaining to me :)

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Mocking to you, explaining to me :)
Don't mind me, I'm just trying to incite ill will. :)

[Ravage!!!]

Pressures are overvalued, IMHO, because there value's so diminished in the playoffs: Top QBs live off their ability to stay cool and complete big passes a beat before the rush arrives. Knock downs matter, because that gets in their heads, but I've just seen too many QBs throw a TD or a big 3rd down conversion under pressure. Or maybe it's just a couple seasons of seeing Ayers and Phillips get LOTS of pressures only to hear people constantly say, "If he were as fast as Doom, it would've been a sack."

Like I say, just my humble sleep-deprived opinion. Biggest stat of the seasons first quarter: We have a 2 game division lead, and being undefeated means we're still pacing NE for homefield. In fact, we're technically half a game up, because this week's their bye.

So every coach that wants to try and pressure the QB is just completely wrong. Seems that I remember a lot of QBs losing in the playoffs and Super Bowls due to the fact th at the defense was putting so much pressure on them. We must be watching a different NFL, because I'm pretty sure that the NFL of today, is about passing and putting pressure on the passer. Sacks aren't the only thing that stops a passer from succeeding. If you don't put pressure, ANY QB in the NFL can pick a dfefense apart.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

You shouldnt mock him for incorrectly using the term.


Mocking to you, explaining to me :)

Just to clarify, I didn't think you were trying to mock him. I was just reaching for humor.

[HORSEPOWER 56]

Pressures are overvalued, IMHO, because there value's so diminished in the playoffs: Top QBs live off their ability to stay cool and complete big passes a beat before the rush arrives. Knock downs matter, because that gets in their heads, but I've just seen too many QBs throw a TD or a big 3rd down conversion under pressure. Or maybe it's just a couple seasons of seeing Ayers and Phillips get LOTS of pressures only to hear people constantly say, "If he were as fast as Doom, it would've been a sack."

Like I say, just my humble sleep-deprived opinion. Biggest stat of the seasons first quarter: We have a 2 game division lead, and being undefeated means we're still pacing NE for homefield. In fact, we're technically half a game up, because this week's their bye.

So every coach that wants to try and pressure the QB is just completely wrong. Seems that I remember a lot of QBs losing in the playoffs and Super Bowls due to the fact th at the defense was putting so much pressure on them. We must be watching a different NFL, because I'm pretty sure that the NFL of today, is about passing and putting pressure on the passer. Sacks aren't the only thing that stops a passer from succeeding. If you don't put pressure, ANY QB in the NFL can pick a dfefense apart.

Not to mention, but pressures cause INTs. Sacks are great, but I'd rather get a turnover than a sack any day of the week.

[The Glue Factory]

Exactly, which is why I think the sacks will come sooner or later. He could just as easily have 5 or 6 sacks right now as he has 2.

I'd rather the pressure leading to INTs than sacks. But sacks are good too.

[Joel]

So every coach that wants to try and pressure the QB is just completely wrong. Seems that I remember a lot of QBs losing in the playoffs and Super Bowls due to the fact th at the defense was putting so much pressure on them. We must be watching a different NFL, because I'm pretty sure that the NFL of today, is about passing and putting pressure on the passer. Sacks aren't the only thing that stops a passer from succeeding. If you don't put pressure, ANY QB in the NFL can pick a dfefense apart.


Not to mention, but pressures cause INTs. Sacks are great, but I'd rather get a turnover than a sack any day of the week.

Both valid points as far as they go, but all pressures are not created equal. I think it was during the Detroit game that one of the commentators noted Von Miller giving Stafford a pat on his side after a pass "just to let him know he's there" and talking about how that gets into guys heads. With Stafford, maybe, but a Brees or Brady will just shrug and point downfield to the moving chains (or end zone.) Knock downs definitely get in their heads and disrupt their throws, but part of what makes top QBs just that is their ability to "stand in there" and deliver big throws on target as if in their backyard with no rush.

Perhaps I should've been more specific: "Hurries" are, IMHO, overrated; not irrelevant, but not nearly as big a deal as they are often made out to be, at least not against anyone but rookies. Beyond that, all I can say is: Where were ya'll when everyone was complaining Ayers and Phillips' many hurries "would've been sacks if they weren't so slow"? The latter still baffles me; the team sack leader has ½ more than the Pro Bowl pass rushing specialist he replaced, but people STILL complained and called him a bad pass rusher.

[TXBRONC]

I'd rather the pressure leading to INTs than sacks. But sacks are good too.

A sack can also lead to a fumble.

[NightTerror218]

I'd rather the pressure leading to INTs than sacks. But sacks are good too.

I rather every opposing QB throw a int every play, pressure or not.

[Ravage!!!]

Both valid points as far as they go, but all pressures are not created equal. I think it was during the Detroit game that one of the commentators noted Von Miller giving Stafford a pat on his side after a pass "just to let him know he's there" and talking about how that gets into guys heads. With Stafford, maybe, but a Brees or Brady will just shrug and point downfield to the moving chains (or end zone.) Knock downs definitely get in their heads and disrupt their throws, but part of what makes top QBs just that is their ability to "stand in there" and deliver big throws on target as if in their backyard with no rush.

Perhaps I should've been more specific: "Hurries" are, IMHO, overrated; not irrelevant, but not nearly as big a deal as they are often made out to be, at least not against anyone but rookies. Beyond that, all I can say is: Where were ya'll when everyone was complaining Ayers and Phillips' many hurries "would've been sacks if they weren't so slow"? The latter still baffles me; the team sack leader has ½ more than the Pro Bowl pass rushing specialist he replaced, but people STILL complained and called him a bad pass rusher.

I'll disagree with this, as well. Hurries are absolutely important. They make the QB get rid of the ball a split second faster, thus maybe that WR isn't quite getting out of his break, or not letting the wr get quite the stride before having to throw that deep ball, or not letting the WR pull off the second move bfore feeling he has to get rid of the ball. Hurries is WHY pressure is important. If it wasn't for hurrying the QB, QBs could take all their time and put the ball where they wanted every time. Pressure and Hurries are HUGE against a top QB.

If you don't think Brees is effected by pressure and hurries, you are completely wrong. DL tap the bodie of the QB right after he throws..why..to let him know that if he held onto that ball 1/2 second more, he wouldnt' have made it. You don't think that "hurried" timing is what a QB sets himself to to know what kind of routes to call and how quickly to get the ball out of his hands? Of course he does, and YES.. it absolutely makes a difference to a vet as well as the rookie. You don't think Manning knows when he has to get rid of the ball faster with some DL than with others? You don't think Brady was trying to get rid of the ball faster against the Giants in the Super BOwls than other games? The pressure didn't effect him at all, huh?

[wayninja]

A sack can also lead to a fumble.

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[Yashahla17]

Manning is on pace for jake plummer like career year numbers.

[MOtorboat]

Manning is on pace for jake plummer like career year numbers.

You seem really angry for that early on a Saturday morning.

[Joel]

I'll disagree with this, as well. Hurries are absolutely important. They make the QB get rid of the ball a split second faster, thus maybe that WR isn't quite getting out of his break, or not letting the wr get quite the stride before having to throw that deep ball, or not letting the WR pull off the second move bfore feeling he has to get rid of the ball. Hurries is WHY pressure is important. If it wasn't for hurrying the QB, QBs could take all their time and put the ball where they wanted every time. Pressure and Hurries are HUGE against a top QB.

If you don't think Brees is effected by pressure and hurries, you are completely wrong. DL tap the bodie of the QB right after he throws..why..to let him know that if he held onto that ball 1/2 second more, he wouldnt' have made it. You don't think that "hurried" timing is what a QB sets himself to to know what kind of routes to call and how quickly to get the ball out of his hands? Of course he does, and YES.. it absolutely makes a difference to a vet as well as the rookie. You don't think Manning knows when he has to get rid of the ball faster with some DL than with others? You don't think Brady was trying to get rid of the ball faster against the Giants in the Super BOwls than other games? The pressure didn't effect him at all, huh?
Again, hurries aren't irrelevant, but are overrated, IMHO. Do YOU think Brady needed a tap on the shoulder to tell him the Giants SUPER BOWL D was coming for his head, and going to GET it more often than not? The first time it had only been a MONTH since he'd played them in a barn burner he was lucky to win by a FG; think he FORGOT that till someone tapping him a split second after a whistle reminding him that Oh, yeah, my ribs are STILL sore from the last time we played these guys....

Yet a big part of what separates elite QBs from also-starteds is the ability to compartmentalize their awareness of that: What near-sacks do to them would more accurately called "fasts" than "hurries," because it doesn't make them frantic, careless nor otherwise "rushed," they just more quickly but just as CALMLY do the same elite things as always. Against guys like that, it's not enough to just tap them a second after the play; they must be MOVED before their throws are affected (and even then the effect's often minimal.)

So hurries matter; they can rattle average or worse QBs enough to be truly decisive. But Eli Manning was a lot more than "hurried" in that first SB against NE; he should've been sacked 2-3 times on one play, yet after (somehow) escaping he was calm and careful enough to reload and through a deep precise pass that saved the game and remains its signature play. "Hurry, hurry!" ;)

[wayninja]

Manning is on pace for jake plummer like career year numbers.

Not sure what this means, but if you are saying Manning is on pace to have a year like Plummer did in 2003, with our defense... we should handily be superbowl favorites. 2005 too.

[Yashahla17]

20 touchdowns 24 ints. Very mediocre and would never be good enough. Our defense won't hold up this level of play for 16 games.

[MOtorboat]

20 touchdowns 24 ints. Very mediocre and would never be good enough. Our defense won't hold up this level of play for 16 games.

Well, it's 24 touchdowns, 20 interceptions, but you know, facts. They always get in the way.

[Yashahla17]

If you like poor over poorer then more power to you.