Broncos Gameday Thread: Broncos vs Cardinals 09/03/15

[sneakers]

Be honest, how much of this game will you actually watch?

LET'S GO BACKUPS!


http://i.imgur.com/7heeXiD.jpg

[VonDoom]

I'm planning on watching it all, baby!

I'd like to see how our #4 RB battle shapes up, and see how much time Siemian gets out there. I may fall asleep in the fourth quarter, but it will be on my TV the whole time.

[BroncoWave]

To be honest I haven't seen a single second of our preseason this year. I've been a bad fan. Probably won't watch any of this one either.

[tomjonesrocks]

Look out, 3rd string defense of Arizona. Montee Ball is about to rumble for 3.3YPC on your ass.

Bring your ******* lunchbox.

[VonDoom]

To be honest I haven't seen a single second of our preseason this year. I've been a bad fan. Probably won't watch any of this one either.

If you haven't watched the other games, there's really no reason to watch this one. I'll expect your full attention next Sunday, though. :D

[Slick]

Wake me up when the playoffs start.

[tomjonesrocks]

Playoffs. Frozen tundra. Sub-zero temperatures. Everything on the line...and on the ground, there's one man that sends chills down the spine of defenses...oh wait - that's Eddie Lacy.

Game 4 of the preseason. Everything on the line...on the ground, there's one man...

[BroncoWave]

Playoffs. Frozen tundra. Sub-zero temperatures. Everything on the line...and on the ground, there's one man that sends chills down the spine of defenses...oh wait - that's Eddie Lacy.

Game 4 of the preseason. Everything on the line...on the ground, there's one man...

We get it dude. Seriously, we do.

[Ziggy]

I'll watch the whole thing when I get off of work. I'm recording it. It will be the last chance to see some of these guys play this year. Seimian will get a half, then we won't see him play again until next preseason. Same with some of the backups and third stringers. It could be Montee Ball's last game as a Bronco. Could be Caldwell's last game as a Bronco. Same for Gradkowski, Smith, Tony Carter and a few other vets. I think there will be a few surprise cuts this weekend. Then there will be the inevitable surprise "IR" moves.

[Dzone]

Look out, 3rd string defense of Arizona. Montee Ball is about to rumble for 3.3YPC on your ass.

Bring your ******* lunchbox.

lmao...hell ya buckle your jock strap

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Didn't ball average over 4.5 ypc his rookie year?

[BroncoJoe]

I like the preseason. Don't really understand why some hate it - other than those paying full price to attend (which is ridiculous the NFL doesn't discount them).

Gives you a chance to see the young players, and how they do. Also gives the coaches time to evaluate those players. Try telling the guys on the bubble these games don't matter.

I'm with VonDoom. I'll watch the entire game.

[tomjonesrocks]

Didn't ball average over 4.5 ypc his rookie year?

4.7 / 4 TDs in the most prolific offense ever.

Always kinda shocked looking at those 120 carries as he never looked special in the slightest to me. But the numbers do show he offered surprisingly serviceable production as a change of pace back to Knowshon.

Then went on to become one of the most disappointing players in the NFL since - and here we are.

[BroncoWave]

I like the preseason. Don't really understand why some hate it - other than those paying full price to attend (which is ridiculous the NFL doesn't discount them).

Gives you a chance to see the young players, and how they do. Also gives the coaches time to evaluate those players. Try telling the guys on the bubble these games don't matter.

I'm with VonDoom. I'll watch the entire game.

I don't necessarily gave anything against preseason, it's just usually hard to find them on TV and I can't work up the effort to try to steam a game that doesn't count. I'll watch them if they are being broadcast nationally, but that's about it.

[Buff]

I like the preseason. Don't really understand why some hate it - other than those paying full price to attend (which is ridiculous the NFL doesn't discount them).

Gives you a chance to see the young players, and how they do. Also gives the coaches time to evaluate those players. Try telling the guys on the bubble these games don't matter.

I'm with VonDoom. I'll watch the entire game.

I think I've maybe watched a combined 5 minutes of preseason action this year. It's pointless and worthless and not real football. I'd rather watch my last place baseball team.

[Buff]

4.7 / 4 TDs in the most prolific offense ever.

Always kinda shocked looking at those 120 carries as he never looked special in the slightest to me. But the numbers do show he offered surprisingly serviceable production as a change of pace back to Knowshon.

Then went on to become one of the most disappointing players in the NFL since - and here we are.

Your obsession with Montee Ball is unhealthy. But I had the same affliction with Knowshon, so I get it.

[MOtorboat]

Not going to watch a second. There's real football on elsewhere tonight.

[wayninja]

Your obsession with Montee Ball is unhealthy. But I had the same affliction with Knowshon, so I get it.

Hearing unhealthy and Knowshon in the same sentence brought this to mind. Get that shit checked out bro.

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[TXBRONC]

Be honest, how much of this game will you actually watch?

LET'S GO BACKUPS!


http://i.imgur.com/7heeXiD.jpg

Eventually all of it. I don't know if I'll get to watch much of it tonight but by the weekend I'll have watched all of it.

[NightTrainLayne]

We're Broncos fans.

Game 4 of the pre-season presents excitement for the likes of the Chiefs and Raiders, but not for us.

[Dzone]

Want to see how Trevathan and Marshall will be after the injuries. Assuming they are playing.

[VonDoom]

Want to see how Trevathan and Marshall will be after the injuries. Assuming they are playing.

Marshall's been playing all preseason. Trevathan played last week. I doubt either of them play tonight, to be honest. I would suspect most starters sit.

[Dzone]

Yes, Marshall probably not tonight but I thing Danny T only got 10 or so plays vs houston. If not, johnson , barrow , nelson et al...Zappolo said Barrow will play outside LB tonight...

[TXBRONC]

Want to see how Trevathan and Marshall will be after the injuries. Assuming they are playing.

Both of them being on the field tonight probably won't happen

[gregbroncs]

Be honest, how much of this game will you actually watch?

LET'S GO BACKUPS!


http://i.imgur.com/7heeXiD.jpgUnfortunately I won't watch any. It coincides with the opening game for my favorite college team against Michigan.

Go Broncos anyway. I want an undefeated pre-season. And please no injuries to anybody.

[VonDoom]

Yes, Marshall probably not tonight but I thing Danny T only got 10 or so plays vs houston. If not, johnson , barrow , nelson et al...Zappolo said Barrow will play outside LB tonight...

I thought Trevathan played more than that last week. I know they said he was only going to be out there a bit, but I thought I remember him being around more. Either way, those other guys DO need the reps. Johnson is probably safe but Barrow and/or Nelson are on the bubble.

[Dzone]

Both of them being on the field tonight probably won't happen
Yep, I forget that the 4th game is for the scrubs only... I guess Marshall is making a good comeback but not sure on Trevathan. That was a bad injury

[gregbroncs]

Yep, I forget that the 4th game is for the scrubs only... I guess Marshall is making a good comeback but not sure on Trevathan. That was a bad injuryHe was in on quite a few plays. That is why I think it feels like he played more than 10 or so plays. Seems like he was in on a lot of action while out there.

[TXBRONC]

Yep, I forget that the 4th game is for the scrubs only... I guess Marshall is making a good comeback but not sure on Trevathan. That was a bad injury

I think Kubiak has just been very cautious with Trevathan because all the problems he had last season.

I don't think it would be shocking to see Trevathan get some reps tonight but not many.

[underrated29]

i AM GOINg to watch every second of it. Like I always do. I will pay special attention to the Qbs, OL, RBs and the rookies (Shane, doss, taylor) etc

[sneakers]

I'd rather watch my last place baseball team.

I know that feel

[Dzone]

You guys are saying you would rather watch rockies baseball than shane ray and osweiller play ? Come on! lol

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 4m

Evan Mathis, Louis Vasquez and Ty Sambrailo getting in early work on field... #Broncos

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 52s

Starting Oline on field now.. No starters expected to play tonight. Paradis, Vasquez, Mathis, Vasquez and Sambrailo getting work in

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 5m

Peyton Manning on field with his son.. Really cool he can enjoy these moments... His son going through band stretches w him... #Broncos

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 2m

First stringers going through stretch. Bolden appears to be out tonight.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

I've looked through the next few days of the NFL Network. It doesn't appear they plan to replay this game

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Jeff Legwold ‏@Jeff_Legwold 3m

Derek Wolfe, suspended for first four games, is working out with the starters, meaning he will not play tonight.

Jeff Legwold ‏@Jeff_Legwold 6m

Massive group of #Broncos starters getting ready to work out on the field right now. None in the group will play tonight. Hillman in group.

Jeff Legwold ‏@Jeff_Legwold 26m

With Ward, Wolfe suspensions -- they go to reserve/suspended Saturday, the #Broncos keep two players who may not have made it otherwise.

Jeff Legwold ‏@Jeff_Legwold 34m

Cody Latimer and Ryan Harris first players on the field tonight for the #Broncos.

[VonDoom]

You guys are saying you would rather watch rockies baseball than shane ray and osweiller play ? Come on! lol

Yeah, what's that about? I'm not even watching my first place baseball team tonight. Of course, they're not playing tonight, so ...

[sneakers]

lol kick coverage

[FanInAZ]

Run D is doing good :nod:

[FanInAZ]

Good job D on 5 out of those 6 plays :defense:

[sneakers]

#48 is playing well so far this game

[VonDoom]

Shaq Barrett continues to impress. I saw him on almost every play

[FanInAZ]

Payton who?

[wayninja]

Wow, first play, totally fooled, TD broncos.

[wayninja]

Payton who?

The coach of the saints?

[VonDoom]

Was there anyone in the Arizona secondary there? Wow!

[tripp]

First pre-season game I've watched this year.. and my lord that boot leg brings back memories.

[sneakers]

i missed it because my stream is shit

[tripp]

i missed it because my stream is shit

Mine is horrible too, thankfully it wasn't choppy during that play

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Vic Lombardi ‏@VicLombardi 2m

That's the Kubiak offense right there. Visions of Plummer to Ashley Lelie.

[Northman]

Cugal just jizzed.

[tripp]

Vic Lombardi ‏@VicLombardi 2m

That's the Kubiak offense right there. Visions of Plummer to Ashley Lelie.

Absolutely!! And Ashley Lelie's surfing TD Celly :D

[Northman]

That play remind anyone of Elway to Smith in the Super Bowl vs the Falcons? Lol

[LawDog]

Where's the commitment to the running game? Don't you run to set up the pass? What. The. Hell. I paid to see some hard-nosed running dammit.

[FanInAZ]

:defense: :defense: :defense: & out!

[FanInAZ]

Ok, I just remembered who Payton is :D

[FanInAZ]

Where's the commitment to the running game? Don't you run to set up the pass? What. The. Hell. I paid to see some hard-nosed running dammit.

Happy now.

[Northman]

I like how one of the announcers on my feed sounds like Jesse Ventura.

[sneakers]

I love the Cardinals color commentator. He is a treat every preseason. He reminds me of a Pro Wrestling color commentator. He has the voice, enthusiasm and everything

[tomjonesrocks]

Hmm. Bibbs fumble. That's not good for his chances...

[sneakers]

I like how one of the announcers on my feed sounds like Jesse Ventura.

my favorite part of the preseason is when we play the cardinals and we can listen to him

[Northman]

Bye Bibbs.

[tomjonesrocks]

I love the Cardinals color commentator. He is a treat every preseason. He reminds me of a Pro Wrestling color commentator. He has the voice, enthusiasm and everything

I was just reminded how much I disliked him. Agreed his delivery is Jesse Ventura-ish though.

[FanInAZ]

What a way to ruin an otherwise good drive :tsk:

Oz is once again giving me reason to not fear Manning's retirement, when ever that might happen.

[Northman]

What a way to ruin an otherwise good drive :tsk:

Oz is once again giving me reason to not fear Manning's retirement, when ever that might happen.

Same. I think we will be just fine.

[FanInAZ]

I guess we can hold off on cutting Bibbs for another drive or 2.

[tripp]

my favorite part of the preseason is when we play the cardinals and we can listen to him

Lol is this announcer for real? Jeeeeeesus

[VonDoom]

Way to go, McManus. Nothing to worry about, guys

[Davii]

Anyone have a good stream link?

[FanInAZ]

Bad penalty wiping out a great play by the D.

[tomjonesrocks]

Anyone have a good stream link?

PMed what I'm using

[Dapper Dan]

I just woke up. Phil Simms is playing?

[sneakers]

I was just reminded how much I disliked him. Agreed his delivery is Jesse Ventura-ish though.

ron wolfley is his name

he was a Fullback in the nfl

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[FanInAZ]

:defense::defense::defense::defense::defense::defe nse::defense::defense::defense::defense::defense:: defense::defense::defense::defense::defense:

[tomjonesrocks]

10-0 Broncos. The rout is on!

[tripp]

Wow... defence has looked unreal tonight.

[wayninja]

I know this is the most meaningless of the meaningless games, but Barrett is a ******* beast

[VonDoom]

Ray doing work, too. Barrett had a TD there if he didn't get too excited

[tripp]

Would like to see a pass here on 3rd down..

[FanInAZ]

You can't ask for a better :defense: 1st quarter than this.

[tomjonesrocks]

Ball opened with a couple steady gains - stuffed ever since.

[tomjonesrocks]

Defense overwhelming thusfar.

[VonDoom]

Now 18 sacks, 6 forced fumbles for the D this preseason and counting

[NightTerror218]

Defense will be fun to watch, so many weapons.

[wayninja]

Denver held Arizona to 2 total yards in the quarter. Hope that shit keeps up.

[silkamilkamonico]

Ball opened with a couple steady gains - stuffed ever since.

Dude just doesn't have it. Cut your ties now with him and lets see what someone else can do.

[tomjonesrocks]

Dude just doesn't have it. Cut your ties now with him and lets see what someone else can do.

3.2 YPC over 5 carries. That's about right so far.

[tripp]

Nice throw by Oz on 3rd down

[underrated29]

That deep oz throw on first down didn't look that far but omg the ball was near their 20 yard line....we were on or near our own 20 yard line......the pass looked like a little lob.

[NightTerror218]

This preseason Oz has not been forcing throws and going threw progressions. Moves the offense nicely. I hope he can do this against other starters and can take over after manning.

[VonDoom]

Barrett has been great this preseason but he's got to stop getting fooled by the snap count. Two bad offsides tonight

[tomjonesrocks]

Barrett has been great this preseason but he's got to stop getting fooled by the snap count. Two bad offsides tonight

I'm almost to the point where I'd like him and Ray to sit. They both look like they can play.

And I don't like it but Bibbs with 1 carry in the half. Unless they're going to cut both it looks like Montee makes the team by default.

[Timmy!]

Montana Giraffe owning it.....what a surprise. :heh:

[tomjonesrocks]

God that's ugly from Ball to close the half. Moving side to side and then pile-driven. Sheesh.

Fumble notwithstanding lets see Bibbs.

[sneakers]

halftime

time for super scrubs in 2nd half

[FanInAZ]

God that's ugly from Ball to close the half. Moving side to side and then pile-driven. Sheesh.

Fumble notwithstanding lets see Bibbs.

Fumble was reversed by instant replay, Bibbs was down by contact.

[wayninja]

halftime

time for super scrubs in 2nd half

I thought we saw them in the first half? Do the scrubs have scrubs?

[VonDoom]

God that's ugly from Ball to close the half. Moving side to side and then pile-driven. Sheesh.

Fumble notwithstanding lets see Bibbs.

I don't really have a dog in this fight, but yeah, we need to see some more Bibbs if they're serious about it being a competition. Ball has looked very pedestrian for most of this game. Even on that garbage time run you referenced, he got two yards before being pounded. Not a good look.

[tomjonesrocks]

Look out, 3rd string defense of Arizona. Montee Ball is about to rumble for 3.3YPC on your ass.

Bring your ******* lunchbox.

DEN Rushing ATT YDS AVG LG TD
Montee Ball 9 30 3.3 8 0

[Simple Jaded]

Ehh, Joe Ellis. . . Boo this man!

[underrated29]

Cards are crushing us right now....I think they've moved the ball well on their last 3 drives and I think we have had maybe 1 st down the last three drives

[underrated29]

And score

[tomjonesrocks]

Yeah that was terrible. Through the backups in the red zone for the TD like butter.

On the bright side no undefeated preseason team has ever won a Super Bowl. So maybe it's 3-1 for Denver.

[underrated29]

Man the OL is garbage

[Simple Jaded]

Even I don't think Schofield could ever play LT in the NFL.

[tomjonesrocks]

3 plays, -9 yards and punt. Both sides of the ball ugly for Denver.

[BroncoWave]

3 plays, -9 yards and punt. Both sides of the ball ugly for Denver.

Does it even matter at this point? Isn't the game pretty much down to guys who are probably playing their last NFL game?

[underrated29]

Schofield just does not look good to me either. People have claimed he looks way better than Harris or is better cuz he's stronger this year at lt.....I see a guard in his future or at least another year of learning.

[underrated29]

Even I don't think Schofield could ever play LT in the NFL.



Quite possibly my least favorite 3rd pick we've had.

[tomjonesrocks]

Does it even matter at this point? Isn't the game pretty much down to guys who are probably playing their last NFL game?

Not really, but I wanted to see more action for Bibbs. Ball down to 2.8YPC. I really, really hope he's cut.

[Simple Jaded]

Schofield just does not look good to me either. People have claimed he looks way better than Harris or is better cuz he's stronger this year at lt.....I see a guard in his future or at least another year of learning.

He hasn't play LT since high school. . .for good reason. The Broncos want a swing T and Schofield is not that guy.

[Simple Jaded]

Quite possibly my least favorite 3rd pick we've had.

I definitely think he can play RT but I like your idea of being Vasquez successor, especially if that means they keep Clady.

[underrated29]

He's not. He may be a guard. I think he could pull pretty we'll as he has quick feet but man........he reminds me a lot of Erik pears and George foster.

[underrated29]

Schofield also looks like a fat jay cutler.......if you saw the pic they showed at the start of the game

[VonDoom]

I'm real worried if Schofield gets any playing time. I can't tell if this backup OL is all bad or if Ball just has nothing. He's running right into piles

[Simple Jaded]

Ball looks like Slowshon Moreno.

[wayninja]

Wow, Bibbs putting the nail in Ball's broncos coffin.

[tomjonesrocks]

Bibbs finally gets the ball and something starts happening.

Ball is done.

[underrated29]

I'm telling ha bibbs reminds me of Steve slaton.....he is a perfect fit for the zbs.....montee should have been and he sucks

[VonDoom]

Wow, Bibbs putting the nail in Ball's broncos coffin.

Yeah, that answers my question. Ball would have fallen down for one yard on each of those runs

[underrated29]

Fowler is sick.

[BroncoWave]

I predict Ball makes the team and way more bitching takes place than ever should when it comes to the 4th string RB.

[underrated29]

I predict Ball makes the team and way more bitching takes place than ever should when it comes to the 4th string RB.



It's practically a guarantee!

[VonDoom]

I hope Fowler makes this team. Tough contested catch. Compare to Louks who missed a wide open pass and has fair caught every punt so far.

[underrated29]

I predict Ball makes the team and way more bitching takes place than ever should when it comes to the 4th string RB.



And I really want bibbs to stay because I believe Ronnie walks after this year and to me bibbs is the better faster player.

[underrated29]

Nice catch by Shipley!

[tomjonesrocks]

Well Ball's probably done for the night. Showed what he can do alright.

He finishes w/2.4YPC.
DEN Rushing ATT YDS AVG LG TD
Montee Ball 13 31 2.4 8 0

[underrated29]

Someone posted that no team who has ever won the Super Bowl went undefeated in the preseason......


I'm pretty sure the 72 dolphins did. I could be wrong and I do not know how we could check but I think I remember seeing that they won all games pre season and reg season

[tomjonesrocks]

Someone posted that no team who has ever won the Super Bowl went undefeated in the preseason......


I'm pretty sure the 72 dolphins did. I could be wrong and I do not know how we could check but I think I remember seeing that they won all games pre season and reg season

I guess I was wrong about that. Thought that was true but guess not.
http://espn.go.com/blog/kansas-city-chiefs/post/_/id/13376/undefeated-preseason-has-been-dubious-achievement-except-for-chiefs

[underrated29]

I guess I was wrong about that. Thought that was true but guess not.
http://espn.go.com/blog/kansas-city-chiefs/post/_/id/13376/undefeated-preseason-has-been-dubious-achievement-except-for-chiefs



How about that. I didn't even know the Chiefs won a Super Bowl.....


Ps- Curtis marsh sucks. He's way worse than the two bigger corners we had last year that we cut.

[tomjonesrocks]

How about that. I didn't even know the Chiefs won a Super Bowl.....


Ps- Curtis marsh sucks. He's way worse than the two bigger corners we had last year that we cut.

I thought that was Doss there...maybe it was Marsh.

Yep...Marsh.

[VonDoom]

Yeah, I said last week Marsh would be cut. Surprised he made it to this game even.

[Dzone]

Yes, Ball doesnt look good at all. It was nice knowing you Montee. Such a swell kid.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Vic Lombardi ‏@VicLombardi 3m

Vic Lombardi retweeted John Marchesi

They've been trying to trade Ball

Vic Lombardi added,
John Marchesi @MarchesiJohn
@MikeKlis @VicLombardi Think Bibbs and Fowler should make the team. Montee should be traded or cut.

[Dapper Dan]

I hadn't heard much about Jaxson Shipley in recent years. I always liked Jordan. Looks like Jaxson played well today.

[tomjonesrocks]

Lol ... "and that sends people to the exits here..."

[tomjonesrocks]

Matt Miller (@nfldraftscout)
13 mins ago
I'd pay $10 to watch Montee Ball and Trent Richardson race.

[underrated29]

Vic Lombardi ‏@VicLombardi 3m

Vic Lombardi retweeted John Marchesi

They've been trying to trade Ball

Vic Lombardi added,
John Marchesi @MarchesiJohn
@MikeKlis @VicLombardi Think Bibbs and Fowler should make the team. Montee should be traded or cut.



Rumors are swirling

[VonDoom]

Why is Ball still getting carries in this game? I think we can see what he can do (or not do)

[VonDoom]

Bibbs wins special teams too

[tomjonesrocks]

Bibbs wins special teams too

4 carries the whole night. I don't understand it. Ball has been absolutely abysmal.

[underrated29]

Because they are going to keep ball and try and hide bibbs on the ps

[CrazyHorse]

I don't care if it's only preseason. I want to win this game.

[underrated29]

Fowler....again. I like him more than Caldwell. And despite what many think Caldwell is very very good for us

[underrated29]

That's what I am afraid of....looks good in or active and pre season but maybe in reg season????

[wayninja]

For all the talk of McManus hitting long FG's in practice, he sure has been ho-hum in the preseason

[tomjonesrocks]

Meh...McManus misses the game winner.

[NightTerror218]

Meh...McManus misses the game winner.

At least it was not a chip shot he missed, a 51 yard attempt

[NightTerror218]

Someone posted that no team who has ever won the Super Bowl went undefeated in the preseason......

I'm pretty sure the 72 dolphins did. I could be wrong and I do not know how we could check but I think I remember seeing that they won all games pre season and reg season

Good thing we lost

[GEM]

And McManus still can't hit a game winner....so much for much improve....and its long enough, but just to the right...same issue 2nd time around.

[G_Money]

Good thing we lost

Peyton signed a football and handed it to McManus as payment to shank and preserve our Super Bowl hopes.

[tomjonesrocks]

Ball finishes with 27 yards on 16 carries for a 1.7 average against guys that will work at a car wash tomorrow.

Bibbs for the same yardage on 6 carries.

[G_Money]

Not a bad game. I really do like the Siemian throws a football. Just looks nice, and that touchdown was a thing of beauty. Bibbs gets the yards that Ball doesn't get, has the burst that he doesn't have, and plays special teams too. What the hell happened to Ball?

Doubt we'll trade him, but I'll hate to lose Bibbs to another team. He should make somebody's squad. Fowler and Taylor look pretty good and about equal, and Caldwell still looks a stride ahead of them (though he should be at the relative points in their careers). Wouldn't mind them making it over Caldwell, but Manning likes Caldwell so it likely won't happen. Shaq needs to stop jumping at every hard snap count, but he's got nice burst, and he and Ray look nice. Really, most of our defense looks pretty good, even the scrubs.

Except Marsh. Marsh lost his spot tonight for sure. Overall, not a bad outing, even if I'm not thrilled with our backup OL. Most of those guys won't make the squad so it doesn't REALLY matter, but jeez.

Nobody important got hurt, Oz did a few nice things (though missing Latimer was unfortunate for Latimer - that guy can't buy a big play). I'll take it.

Now bring on Baltimore and let's start the damn season. The bottom of the roster will be sorted out in short order - but I can't wait to see what the top will do. Game One of our championship run starts next. Can't wait.

[Dapper Dan]

I think he only missed 2 this preseason. Not too bad. McManus will get better.

[Dapper Dan]

I hate to say this, but I'm really hoping we find a trade partner for Ball.

[GEM]

Rod Mackey from Channel 9 was interviewing TJ Ward after the game about suspension and asked if he would take it any further than the failed appeal, TJ's response....well, I'll try but my last names not Brady so I'll probably just be sitting game 1. Wow...good for him calling that out.

[wayninja]

I think he only missed 2 this preseason. Not too bad. McManus will get better.

Yeah, he went 8/10, but he doesn't look good after 45 or so yards. He's got the leg, hopefully he will sort out the accuracy.

[Magnificent Seven]

So far, Broncos have 20 sacks in 4 preseason games. Tonight, they got 5 sacks. Very impressive!

[underrated29]

I'm hoping Atlanta, Cleveland or buffalo lose another rb to injury tonight so we can trade ball.

[silkamilkamonico]

Someone posted that no team who has ever won the Super Bowl went undefeated in the preseason......


I'm pretty sure the 72 dolphins did. I could be wrong and I do not know how we could check but I think I remember seeing that they won all games pre season and reg season


Dolphins went 3-3 in 72 in the preseason. To date no team has ever finished the preseason undefeated and won the SuperBowl. We still have a slight glimmer of hope this year.

[silkamilkamonico]

Ball should be out the door.

And by the looks of some of our younger WR's stepping up, Latimer probably isn't far behind.

[underrated29]

So far, Broncos have 20 sacks in 4 preseason games. Tonight, they got 5 sacks. Very impressive!



I know it's preseason and doesn't mean much cuz they're much harder to come by with starters but


FUuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu uuuuu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Del rio!!!!

And Andrew luck, we are coming for you. You got a lucky pass last time. Your fate is now sealed, in the dirt, with Von miller eating greedy from your soul.

[silkamilkamonico]

Oh snap I was wrong.

1 team has managed to finish the preseason undefeated and win the SUperBowl.

The 2013 Seattle Seahawks.

Ironic.

[Dapper Dan]

Yeah, he went 8/10, but he doesn't look good after 45 or so yards. He's got the leg, hopefully he will sort out the accuracy.

I'd like to know what his stats were prior to this season. From memory, it was opposite. He could nail a 50 yarder easily, but he scared me when he kicked within 40.

[tomjonesrocks]

@Broncos: Coach Kubiak: "We didn't run the ball a lick."

[Timmy!]

Ball should be out the door.

And by the looks of some of our younger WR's stepping up, Latimer probably isn't far behind.

Lol. Latimer isn't going anywhere.

[Timmy!]

Wasnt sure if Ball had what it takes to make the Broncos but after tonight I am not sure he has the skills to make it in the NFL. After so many of these performances, eventually you just have to say he is just not a very good running back.
Max Garcia is a beast. Watched him at center tonight. Much stronger at point of attack than paradis. He has manram strength with athleticism. If vasquez and mathis are fixtures at guard, how long before Garcia takes over at center?

Paradis has looked pretty solid at center considering, but ya Garcia has looked good too. Mathis is just a one year rental, then the LG job is Garcia's with Paradis being the long term C. Garcia gets to be the backup at both G spots and C this year.

[Magnificent Seven]

Paradis has looked pretty solid at center considering, but ya Garcia has looked good too. Mathis is just a one year rental, then the LG job is Garcia's with Paradis being the long term C. Garcia gets to be the backup at both G spots and C this year.

What about next year with Ryan Clady? It would be super nice if Broncos have Clady and Mathis back.

[silkamilkamonico]

Lol. Latimer isn't going anywhere.

God thing for him he's a recent 2nd round pick. He is a lot like Ball. Invested pick, does absolutely nothing on the field.

Dude is probably the 6th or 7th best wr on the team right now.

[Simple Jaded]

Shit, Latimer looks fine when Osweiler is throwing to him.

[Timmy!]

God thing for him he's a recent 2nd round pick. He is a lot like Ball. Invested pick, does absolutely nothing on the field.

Dude is probably the 6th or 7th best wr on the team right now.

Ya, no. He doesn't have chemistry with PFM yet, or at least in preseason games. He and Oz have it down, look at preseason game 1 & 2. I'm not saying the guy is a beast, but saying he "does absoluting nothing on the field" when he hasn't been there, at all, is ignorant. By that logic, DT was a horrible pick too.

[Timmy!]

What about next year with Ryan Clady? It would be super nice if Broncos have Clady and Mathis back.

Honestly, I kinda doubt they have either.....which is OK, cause Miller is going to cost a shit ton.

[Jsteve01]

Lol. Latimer isn't going anywhere.

God thing for him he's a recent 2nd round pick. He is a lot like Ball. Invested pick, does absolutely nothing on the field.

Dude is probably the 6th or 7th best wr on the team right now. haha wow

[BigDaddyBronco]

Ball will get cut today. Even if they keep 4 RB's he is not close to starting over the top 3. I can't see why any other team would trade for him. He looks like he is running in ankle deep mud all the time, very slooooooow. What he can do is catch out of the backfield and block, but if you cant run well you have no business of being on this team. I don't know if it was the injury last year, desire, or just luck in his rookie year but something happened to him.

[tomjonesrocks]

Max Garcia is a beast. Watched him at center tonight. Much stronger at point of attack than paradis. He has manram strength with athleticism. If vasquez and mathis are fixtures at guard, how long before Garcia takes over at center?

Big Al has been saying this for awhile on The Fan FWIW. Admit I didn't pay much attention watching this on a pretty small screen tonight to say one way or the other.

[Northman]

Ball finishes with 27 yards on 16 carries for a 1.7 average against guys that will work at a car wash tomorrow.

Bibbs for the same yardage on 6 carries.

Yea, i would of thought the fumble would of done Bibbs in but sheeesh Ball really struggled.

[VonDoom]

Schofield was terrible, but he's not going anywhere. Marsh is gone, Ball might be gone (depends on what they think they can get out of him in the future, but he's not showing anything). Caldwell is likely making the team. I'm hoping at this point that we keep six WR, because I love Fowler right now.

As for McManus ... eh, I'm not worried yet. He hit a 50 yarder and missed from 51. Not the end of the world. I believe Mason said that since TB picked up Barth, he's 0-2 on FG's this preseason, so it is what it is.

[Dzone]

The play where Shane Ray muscled his way thru that double team showed that the kid has some some brute strength. Holy crap.

[tomjonesrocks]

@EricGoodman #Broncos Ball told me after the game, he wished he wouldn't have run the ball so much at Wisconsin..kind of wore him down. 10:38 PM - 3 Sep 2015

Wow. So he's kinda saying he's done himself. That's a bit sad.

[Dzone]

@EricGoodman #Broncos Ball told me after the game, he wished he wouldn't have run the ball so much at Wisconsin..kind of wore him down. 10:38 PM - 3 Sep 2015

Wow. So he's kinda saying he's done himself. That's a bit sad.
Oh wow. Worn out at 21 years old. Damn.
Lets blame Fox for drafting this slug

[SR]

And I really want bibbs to stay because I believe Ronnie walks after this year and to me bibbs is the better faster player.

You have a hard on for Bibbs that I don't "fully" understand.

[Dzone]

Peyton Manning still wears his shoulder pads during the 4th preseason game. Says he has too much respect for the other QBs not to suit up and be ready to play.

[tomjonesrocks]

Oh wow. Worn out at 21 years old. Damn. Lets blame Fox for drafting this slug

Goodman had a whole series of Tweets on this, Ball saying he regrets now staying in college as a Senior, that he feels the college workload affected his NFL career.

I guess he interviews Ball today at 4 and he teases that.

[TXBRONC]

I've watched most of the first half and one thing's for sure Ray is barring injury is going to be a very good football player for years to come. Barrett is going to be very good pass rush specialist but I'm not sure he's as complete of a football player as Ray seems to be.

[BroncoWave]

Oh wow. Worn out at 21 years old. Damn.
Lets blame Fox for drafting this slug

Yes, because had Fox not drafted him, surely no one else would have soon after. It's not like he was a crazy productive back in college who was pretty much thought of as a consensus second round pick.

Oh wait, that's exactly what he was.

There is not an easier or lazier hot take to have than hindsight on a draft pick.

[TXBRONC]

Yes, because had Fox not drafted him, surely no one else would have soon after. It's not like he was a crazy productive back in college who was pretty much thought of as a consensus second round pick.

Oh wait, that's exactly what he was.

There is not an easier or lazier hot take to have than hindsight on a draft pick.

BTB sometimes you just got to let some things go. It's really not a big deal.

As Gabby Johnson would say "Don't be a cracker crocker."

[tomjonesrocks]

Well apparently Ball was all class in a most humbling showcase so that must have been a very tough presser after.

In the comments to Goodman's posts everyone agrees he's an A+ dude so that sucks - didn't really know he had that reputation. So maybe he really impressed in his predraft interviews.

That said I didn't read anything before that draft rating Ball over Lacy. Lacy was bigger and faster with fewer miles (that was something oft-mentioned re:Ball at the time).

NFL people put too much stock in Lacy's injury and GB has reaped the benefits. Hopefully it works the same with Ray but it's not hindsight. It was a clear mistake to many from day one. It happens but this was bad. Maybe Lacy calms things down in the SB after the bad snap. We don't know.

[BroncoWave]

BTB sometimes you just got to let some things go. It's really not a big deal.

As Gabby Johnson would say "Don't be a cracker crocker."

I just find it a little ridiculous when people act like they just KNEW a player was going to be a bad pick. No one knows. It's a crapshoot. Had Ball been a 7th round prospect we picked in the 2nd, then yeah, bash away at the pick. But we picked him right where he was projected. Does it suck that he's not panning out? Yeah, it does. But it's not Fox's or anyone else's fault. Sometimes guys just don't pan out.

I find it equally ridiculous when you see stuff like OMG, how could we have passed on (insert 3rd or 4th round pick who became a star here)? Like, if anyone knew he would be that good, then all 32 teams wouldn't have passed on him 2 or 3 times.

Sometimes shit just happens in the draft. If it were an exact science, no one would ever miss on a pick.

[Dzone]

There is not an easier or lazier hot take to have than hindsight on a draft pick.
Im so lazy. Where's my damn coffee

[underrated29]

You have a hard on for Bibbs that I don't "fully" understand.



Yes. I do. I didn't have it last year either. It wasn't until I watched our pre-season games from last year that I saw what I thought would be a tremendous fit in the zbs....he reminded me of Steve slaton. Bibbs run harder than his size. Similar to what Hillman has started doing but IMO better......this is not something I ever expected out of bibbs, who I thought was only worth a 7th rd pick.

[SR]

Bibbs wins special teams too

That tackle he had on the guy that tried to hurdle him was awesome.

[SR]

Fowler....again. I like him more than Caldwell. And despite what many think Caldwell is very very good for us

Caldwell has been really good in the preseason games.

[SR]

Rod Mackey from Channel 9 was interviewing TJ Ward after the game about suspension and asked if he would take it any further than the failed appeal, TJ's response....well, I'll try but my last names not Brady so I'll probably just be sitting game 1. Wow...good for him calling that out.

That's awesome!

[Dzone]

Yes Caldwell is staying. The Oz - Bubba connection is alive and well. Has he jumped over Latimer on the depth chart yet?

[SR]

Yes. I do. I didn't have it last year either. It wasn't until I watched our pre-season games from last year that I saw what I thought would be a tremendous fit in the zbs....he reminded me of Steve slaton. Bibbs run harder than his size. Similar to what Hillman has started doing but IMO better......this is not something I ever expected out of bibbs, who I thought was only worth a 7th rd pick.

Slaton was an injury prone no name that had a couple good seasons with a handful of good games scattered around in a system that is super RB friendly. The same system produced guys like Ruben Droughns, Olandis Gary, Mike Anderson, Tatum Bell, etc that would not have or didn't succeed anywhere else. To say Bibbs reminds you of Steve Slaton is like saying Ryan Leaf reminds you of Heath Schuler.

[Dzone]

Shouldnt we just cut Ball and Latimer and get it over with? Sorry, I know Im being lazy. I need to get to the gym. Im getting fat

[tomjonesrocks]

When do the cuts have to be in by?

[underrated29]

Slaton was an injury prone no name that had a couple good seasons with a handful of good games scattered around in a system that is super RB friendly. The same system produced guys like Ruben Droughns, Olandis Gary, Mike Anderson, Tatum Bell, etc that would not have or didn't succeed anywhere else. To say Bibbs reminds you of Steve Slaton is like saying Ryan Leaf reminds you of Heath Schuler.


His good seasons were very good. We can only hope Hillman or any rb we have produces like he did. Slaton was injury prone but that doesn't mean bibbs or Hillman will be and that very friendly system is also the same system Ball is failing in when he should be excelling. Guys like Tatum bell also failed as did selvin young, mike bell, quintet griffen and others. You are right it is a very rb friendly scheme provided the back can explode through the hole and has the vision and smarts to know where the hole is or will develop. I believe bibbs has these traits that maybe the other backs that failed did not.

He can also catch the ball pretty well I think. I'm not saying he is going to push CJ for a job or anything, but for a UDFA, in this system, I can see him sticking around for a long while.........(I still think ball makes the squad over him)

[Slick]

I just find it a little ridiculous when people act like they just KNEW a player was going to be a bad pick. No one knows. It's a crapshoot. Had Ball been a 7th round prospect we picked in the 2nd, then yeah, bash away at the pick. But we picked him right where he was projected. Does it suck that he's not panning out? Yeah, it does. But it's not Fox's or anyone else's fault. Sometimes guys just don't pan out.

I find it equally ridiculous when you see stuff like OMG, how could we have passed on (insert 3rd or 4th round pick who became a star here)? Like, if anyone knew he would be that good, then all 32 teams wouldn't have passed on him 2 or 3 times.

Sometimes shit just happens in the draft. If it were an exact science, no one would ever miss on a pick.

I knew Ed Reed would be a better pro than Ashley Lelie.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

I knew Ed Reed would be a better pro than Ashley Lelie.

Genius

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Big Al has been saying this for awhile on The Fan FWIW. Admit I didn't pay much attention watching this on a pretty small screen tonight to say one way or the other.

If Al said that then Paradis is definitely better. :D

[pnbronco]

Peyton Manning still wears his shoulder pads during the 4th preseason game. Says he has too much respect for the other QBs not to suit up and be ready to play.

He also wore the his helmet the whole game and I think had the I-pad in his hand. I'm pretty sure and he and Brooke were going over a bunch of stuff and even in the 4th it looked like he was studying things on the I-pad.... The man lives and breaths football.

[pnbronco]

When do the cuts have to be in by?

I was wondering this myself and will there be a new thread or in one that already up????

[SR]

His good seasons were very good. We can only hope Hillman or any rb we have produces like he did. Slaton was injury prone but that doesn't mean bibbs or Hillman will be and that very friendly system is also the same system Ball is failing in when he should be excelling. Guys like Tatum bell also failed as did selvin young, mike bell, quintet griffen and others. You are right it is a very rb friendly scheme provided the back can explode through the hole and has the vision and smarts to know where the hole is or will develop. I believe bibbs has these traits that maybe the other backs that failed did not. He can also catch the ball pretty well I think. I'm not saying he is going to push CJ for a job or anything, but for a UDFA, in this system, I can see him sticking around for a long while.........(I still think ball makes the squad over him)

No.

http://www.nfl.com/player/steveslaton/945/careerstats

[VonDoom]

That tackle he had on the guy that tried to hurdle him was awesome.

It was that play that had prompted my post during the game!


Caldwell has been really good in the preseason games.

I know, I like to bag on that guy, but he has looked good out there this year.

[VonDoom]

When do the cuts have to be in by?

Saturday by 4:00 Eastern. I think Kubiak said after the game that they would do the majority of the cuts tomorrow morning.

[VonDoom]

Also, he's not getting any run, but Josh Bush made a couple of very nice open field tackles in that game. With Ward's suspension, I wonder if Bush will stick on the 53 man roster for the first week, then try to get him through to the PS after that game.

[underrated29]

No.

http://www.nfl.com/player/steveslaton/945/careerstats



No?

He had 1500+ all purpose yards and double digit Tds.....Those are pretty stellar numbers. You have to high standards I think my friend. His two best years he averaged just a hair shy of 5 ypc. If we can get that from a UDFA- who backs up CJ, I will call that a MAJOR WIN!

[G_Money]

I've been on the Bibbs bandwagon, mostly because a guy who plays one year of "real" college ball and logs 1700+ yards and keeps company with Barry Sanders on single-season touchdowns might have a spark of greatness in him. He still hasn't done anything to dissuade me of that notion. It took Hillman a few years after college to get it and start producing and hitting holes like he does now. Maybe Bibbs is just Tatum Bell, but Tatum was decent for a minute.

I would take Bibbs over Ball right now because Ball only gets what's there (and sometimes not even that). Bibbs in the open field is a weapon in ways that Ball never will be; witness that depressing attempt a juke that Montee did. Should Bibbs be getting carries over Hillman and CJ? No. If Hillman or CJ go down would I rather have Bibbs around to keep the running game intact instead of Ball?

You betcha. Makes me sad for Ball, but that's the way the cookie crumbles.

[SR]

No? He had 1500+ all purpose yards and double digit Tds.....Those are pretty stellar numbers. You have to high standards I think my friend. His two best years he averaged just a hair shy of 5 ypc. If we can get that from a UDFA- who backs up CJ, I will call that a MAJOR WIN!

In one season. Every season after that was irrelevant. He had a great rookie year and played in all 16 games. After that injuries and inconsistency ended his career. I look at a body of work when you compare players, not "hey, this kid could be like that one season that other player had".

[TXBRONC]

Im so lazy. Where's my damn coffee

Get it yourself you lazy bum. :lol:

[TXBRONC]

Shouldnt we just cut Ball and Latimer and get it over with? Sorry, I know Im being lazy. I need to get to the gym. Im getting fat

I can understand cutting Ball but cutting Latimer isn't going to happen. It can two to three years for a receiver to develop.

Yes you do need to get off couch and stop being lazy.

[Magnificent Seven]

Broncos should have drafted Lacy over M. Ball.

[underrated29]

In one season. Every season after that was irrelevant. He had a great rookie year and played in all 16 games. After that injuries and inconsistency ended his career. I look at a body of work when you compare players, not "hey, this kid could be like that one season that other player had".


I dont blame you for that and I agree but I think you are starting to delve off path. I only mentioned Slaton as having a few good seasons. Not that he was a great player. Just two good seasons. Which he did. Also, Slaton is only relevant because I believe Bibbs can be like a slaton. When Slaton was healthy and not hurt he did pretty ok. We cannot predict that the same injury woes will apply to bibbs, IF bibbs even makes the squad. If he does, I hope he does, I suspect he will produce like Slaton did when healthy. Is a 1500+ yard season and 13+ tds in bibbs future here? More than likely not even close, but a player who can chew up 4.9 YPC is someone I want on my team. Someone who has the potential to fill in should the shit hit the fan.....Last thing I want to see is what happened to us when Knowshon went down and ronnie hillman had to run against the ravens and couldnt do it.

[underrated29]

I can understand cutting Ball but cutting Latimer isn't going to happen. It can two to three years for a receiver to develop.

Yes you do need to get off couch and stop being lazy.




I think he is being facetious.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Broncos should have drafted Lacy over M. Ball.

I think I've heard that somewhere before.

[pnbronco]

I think I've heard that somewhere before.

Me too.....just somewhere....:D

[pnbronco]

SR & UR.....I'm suppose to be sewing.....send me text when the cuts are being posted....if you can take time out from discussing our RB's.....:lol:

[underrated29]

No Prob. I put myself on email duty today, so Ill have plenty of time to pop in and out and see whats heppening and keep you updated.

[GEM]

Connor Barth cut from TB this morning. Along with 2nd rounder (4 years ago) Da'Quan Bowers.

[GEM]

San Fran cut Darnell Dockett and LB Phillip Wheeler.

[GEM]

Bills look like they made all their cuts already. The guy who punched Geno Smith got cut.

[Dzone]

Broncos should have drafted Lacy over M. Ball.
Youre right. We should have. It's all John Foxes fault. We should have never hired Fox, we should have hired Harbaugh. ..

lol

[TXBRONC]

Bills look like they made all their cuts already. The guy who punched Geno Smith got cut.

Dang that was fast.

[LawDog]

The team site has a mic'd up segment with Brock from the game. My takeaway? That Giraffe has one goofy ass laugh.

[LawDog]

Well golll-ly, Bubba was open and just standin there, so I just threw it right to him, didn't lead him or nuthin. Just threw it right at him, hah hah hah.

[Simple Jaded]

Sweet, Caldwell made his 2-3 plays for the season, he's now overdue for another disappearing act.

[Valar Morghulis]

Sweet, Caldwell made his 2-3 plays for the season, he's now overdue for another disappearing act.

I thought in 2013, Caldwell did a great job of coming in making plays and was really reliable when called upon, so much so, before Sanders arrived, I thought he might push for a starting job after Decker left. But last year he was so bad, his play on special teams was also dreadful I am surprised he made it to the final round of cuts, but this pre season he has looked more like the reliable hands I thought he was 2 years ago.

[TXBRONC]

I thought in 2013, Caldwell did a great job of coming in making plays and was really reliable when called upon, so much so, before Sanders arrived, I thought he might push for a starting job after Decker left. But last year he was so bad, his play on special teams was also dreadful I am surprised he made it to the final round of cuts, but this pre season he has looked more like the reliable hands I thought he was 2 years ago.

He did ok in 2013 when he filled in for Welker. He was targeted 30 and had 16 receptions. 11 of them came in final three games of the season when he was filling in for Welker. He had six in loss to the Chargers at home and then five more split between the last two games of the season.