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DenBronx
01-28-2015, 08:40 PM
Welcome home Wade!

Twitter (via http://ble.ac/teamstream-) http://teamstre.am/18wjHIe

tomjonesrocks
01-28-2015, 08:53 PM
Welcome home Wade! Twitter (via http://ble.ac/teamstream-) http://teamstre.am/18wjHIe

Guess the whole band is back together. Hmm.

Kinda a little underwhelmed, but sometimes the steady sure pick is better than the shiny new sexy one.

He will be fine.

Timmy!
01-28-2015, 08:58 PM
Nice.

VonDoom
01-28-2015, 09:00 PM
I have my reservations, but overall, I can't fault them for hiring Phillips. He can run a defense, and with him doing that and Kubiak/Deninson running the offense, I feel pretty good about our long term future. Some Twitter tidbits on Phillips:

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 39m39 minutes ago

Wade Phillips tells me the #Broncos have hired him to be defensive coordinator. “I’m excited about it.” Then he went to go celebrate.

Jeff Legwold ‏@Jeff_Legwold 32m32 minutes ago

Wade was in Denver last night and today and the deal was put together...he inherits a defense that had five players in the Pro Bowl Sunday.

Mike Klis ‏@MikeKlis 16m16 minutes ago

Wade Phillips on DC gig when he knew Broncos wanted Vance Joseph: 'I've been through this a lot. Gary and John and I really love Vance.

Mike Klis ‏@MikeKlis 15m15 minutes ago

Wade Phillips on Vance Joseph: "I think he's a bright, rising star. Hopefully he learned from me. I might have taught him too good."

Mike Klis ‏@MikeKlis 13m13 minutes ago

Wade Phillips on DC gig: "It's great to be able to coach with Kube again. "He's going to skyrocket." http://dpo.st/15VHikM via @mikeklis

tripp
01-28-2015, 09:00 PM
Dunno how I feel about this. Excited because I'm glad JDR is gone and someone else is here, underwhelmed because I was looking for someone young and new.


Gonna take a look at his stats during his time in Houston.

Shazam!
01-28-2015, 09:03 PM
Love all-time Broncos coming together! Wish more would!

DenBronx
01-28-2015, 09:25 PM
Well from a fans perspective most of them wanted.

A. Kubiak
B. Dennison
C. Phillips


Seems like all of those wishes came true. Either Elway was listening to us or he too wanted that scenario from the get go. He had to of thought of this before even letting Fox walk.


Hope this works. This was a very risky move dismantling the coaching staff but I think we upgraded for sure.

DenBronx
01-28-2015, 09:28 PM
Seems like Kubiak, Dennison, Phillips and Elway are all in harmony. Fox and Elway seemed to not have the same vision.

broncofaninfla
01-28-2015, 09:32 PM
Wade has proven to be one of the best DC's of this era. Glad he's back.

OB
01-28-2015, 09:45 PM
Just need TD as RB coach, maybe champ as 2ndary, bring in meck for the oline :)

Joel
01-28-2015, 09:45 PM
Well from a fans perspective most of them wanted.

A. Kubiak
B. Dennison
C. Phillips

Seems like all of those wishes came true. Either Elway was listening to us or he too wanted that scenario from the get go. He had to of thought of this before even letting Fox walk.

Hope this works. This was a very risky move dismantling the coaching staff but I think we upgraded for sure.
It's sure what I wanted; I couldn't be happier. Well, I'd be happier if we'd done it two years ago, but I'm no longer left hoping Manning has enough left to win a championship as a one-man offense, being pretty sure he doesn't, and dreading the whole thing collapsing into smoldering rubble the moment he retires. My sole reservation is that their Texans team won 1st and 2nd down only to give up 3rd and forever a lot, and we were already doing that last year. But once Kubes and Denny eliminate our only fatal flaw by knocking the line into shape, that may not matter to anyone but Vegas.

Really impressed with the classy way Wade handled the very awkward situation of two of his former players making clear the team that fired him made him second choice to one of his assistants. All's well that ends well; welcome back, Wade, and here's to a lot of dominant seasons now that the gang's all here again. :salute:

turftoad
01-28-2015, 09:54 PM
I'm OK with this. We have talent and I thin Wade can put things together.

WJK
01-28-2015, 09:59 PM
About as good a placeholder as you can get until Vance Joseph gets out of his contract. Mike Brown is seriously a stage 5 clinger.

TXBRONC
01-28-2015, 10:09 PM
I'm OK with this. We have talent and I thin Wade can put things together.

This is a good move.

dogfish
01-28-2015, 10:11 PM
he'll get more out of von and ware, and that's probably what's most important. . .

jack of the river was pretty much a ****ing flop, given the talent he had to work with this year. . .

OrangeHoof
01-28-2015, 10:19 PM
I'm sure DeMarcus Ware approves. Ware was very successful under Wade and will already know the defense. It will probably attack more than Fox had, susceptible to screens and draws. With Romeo Crennel in Houston, I noticed the same players Wade Phillips had there (mostly) created more turnovers (led the NFL) and committed fewer penalties.

Now, can this group meld with Peyton Manning?

Simple Jaded
01-28-2015, 10:22 PM
he'll get more out of von and ware, and that's probably what's most important. . .

jack of the river was pretty much a ****ing flop, given the talent he had to work with this year. . .

I see what you did there, mui bien.

Denver Native (Carol)
01-28-2015, 10:26 PM
ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- The Broncos agreed to terms with Joe Woods to coach the team’s defensive backs, it was announced on Wednesday.

Woods has 23 years of coaching experience, including 11 seasons as an NFL defensive backs coach with Oakland (2014), Minnesota (2006-13) and Tampa Bay (2004-05).

During his eight years with the Vikings, Woods coach cornerback Antoine Winfield, who made three consecutive Pro Bowls (2008-10) under his instruction.

rest - http://www.denverbroncos.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Woods-named-defensive-backs-coach/45556850-66b8-482d-924e-42cf0308f050

Besides Wade, they also added Joe Woods today

Rick
01-28-2015, 10:26 PM
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=iupBixjjyZY

OrangeHoof
01-28-2015, 10:30 PM
Phillips' defense in Houston ranked 2nd (2011), 7th (2012) and 7th (2013) in yards allowed. They ranked 4th (2011), 9th (2012) and 24th (2013) in scoring defense per Football_Reference.com.

By contrast, Fox' defenses in Denver after the Tebow year ranked 2nd (2012), 19th (2013) and 3rd (2014) in yards allowed. They ranked 4th (2012), 22nd (2013) and 16th (2014) in scoring defense.

Denver Native (Carol)
01-28-2015, 10:53 PM
Vic Lombardi retweeted
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet · 3h

As for Vance Joseph, #Bengals never let him out of his contract to join the #Broncos. Today was the deadline, and they never relented

Simple Jaded
01-28-2015, 10:55 PM
Vic Lombardi retweeted
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet · 3h

As for Vance Joseph, #Bengals never let him out of his contract to join the #Broncos. Today was the deadline, and they never relented

I think he's in the last year of his contract too, so they're going to lose him next year regardless.

NightTerror218
01-28-2015, 10:56 PM
I like the hire. Curious how we fit a 3-4 defense. Will Ware and Miller be OLB and pass rush or Ware play DE?

dogfish
01-28-2015, 11:08 PM
I like the hire. Curious how we fit a 3-4 defense. Will Ware and Miller be OLB and pass rush or Ware play DE?

they'll both be OLBs. . .

NightTerror218
01-28-2015, 11:11 PM
they'll both be OLBs. . .

Both pass rush specialists....there are two of those in 3-4?

underrated29
01-28-2015, 11:12 PM
Awwww lord dogfish, you're killing me with jack of the river :lol: :lol:

I lold to my girl and she just rolled her eyes.....I'm still laughing. Classic

TXBRONC
01-28-2015, 11:18 PM
I like the hire. Curious how we fit a 3-4 defense. Will Ware and Miller be OLB and pass rush or Ware play DE?

He was OLB in this very defense so it stands to reason he will be again.

dogfish
01-28-2015, 11:20 PM
Both pass rush specialists....there are two of those in 3-4?

yes. . .




Awwww lord dogfish, you're killing me with jack of the river :lol: :lol:

I lold to my girl and she just rolled her eyes.....I'm still laughing. Classic

gotta give slick the credit for that one. . .

Northman
01-29-2015, 12:17 AM
Works for me.

Jsteve01
01-29-2015, 12:41 AM
This is a situation where not getting your first choice ends up a better fit. We won't have to worry about losing our hot young coordinator after two seasons. Wade is a lights out coordinator and he's never had this many toys to play with.

wayninja
01-29-2015, 01:18 AM
I have to say, I'm incredibly JACKED about our coaching staff. I so wish we had done this originally when McD was shown the exit. I am very excited by seeing Kubiak, Dennison, Phillips in the house again. I have a VERY good feeling about this.

I wonder if Jake Plummer is interested... I'm joking!!!!

Joel
01-29-2015, 02:47 AM
I suspect Plummer and Schaub between them taught Kubes a hard lesson that even the best coaches as positions they know best can only do so much if a player can't do the rest. Hope so; last thing I want is another Schaub, and Plummer blowing up on the SB launchpad in the '05 AFCCG (still the only AFCCG Denver's ever lost at home) was the beginning of the whole desultory debacle that's only now ended.

DenBronx
01-29-2015, 06:35 AM
Anyone think some fans are over hyping our coaching hires?

TXBRONC
01-29-2015, 07:55 AM
Anyone think some fans are over hyping our coaching hires?

Over hyping it in what way?

EastCoastBronco
01-29-2015, 07:57 AM
I'm down with Wade.
He's the logical answer to what we had left to choose from.
Overall, he's got a hell of lot more talent to work with here than he had in Houston... and that's counting JJ Watt as 4 people.

DenBronx
01-29-2015, 08:03 AM
Anyone think some fans are over hyping our coaching hires?

Over hyping it in what way?

Seems fans wanted these coaches based on familiarity instead of actual results. I like Kubiak and Dennison alot but what have they done since they weren't with Shanahan? What did Wade do post Broncos?

Fox at least had 2 SB appearances. One with Delhomme and one with Manning. The blowout last year was on him? He didnt get blown out with Jake... just curious on why these guys are the best fit.

7DnBrnc53
01-29-2015, 08:05 AM
I suspect Plummer and Schaub between them taught Kubes a hard lesson that even the best coaches as positions they know best can only do so much if a player can't do the rest. Hope so; last thing I want is another Schaub, and Plummer blowing up on the SB launchpad in the '05 AFCCG (still the only AFCCG Denver's ever lost at home) was the beginning of the whole desultory debacle that's only now ended.

Actually, Joel, that was the pass rush blowing up on the Super Bowl launchpad. Defense couldn't get off the field on third down.

TXBRONC
01-29-2015, 08:14 AM
I'm down with Wade.
He's the logical answer to what we had left to choose from.
Overall, he's got a hell of lot more talent to work with here than he had in Houston... and that's counting JJ Watt as 4 people.

I like the hire.

TXBRONC
01-29-2015, 08:35 AM
Seems fans wanted these coaches based on familiarity instead of actual results. I like Kubiak and Dennison alot but what have they done since they weren't with Shanahan? What did Wade do post Broncos?

Fox at least had 2 SB appearances. One with Delhomme and one with Manning. The blowout last year was on him? He didnt get blown out with Jake... just curious on why these guys are the best fit.

Kubiak has recently taken a team to the playoffs as a head coach so that's one main reasons I like the hiring. When Fox he had suffered through two or three straight losing season and at the end of it his record was barely above .500. I think literally everywhere Wade Phillips has gone as a defensive coordinator those team have finished in the top 10 defense. So he's had a lot of success as coordinator.

MileHighCrew
01-29-2015, 10:41 AM
Welcome home Wade.

Ok not my first choice, but he wasn't Elway's either. Now he is here I am all for it 100%
And huge bright side. I love fat guy DC. They always act like they have a chip on their shoulders ( like a doritos bag in some cases) and it carries through their unit.

TXBRONC
01-29-2015, 10:53 AM
Welcome home Wade.

Ok not my first choice, but he wasn't Elway's either. Now he is here I am all for it 100%
And huge bright side. I love fat guy DC. They always act like they have a chip on their shoulders ( like a doritos bag in some cases) and it carries through their unit.

We know what we're getting with Phillips.

Hawgdriver
01-29-2015, 10:57 AM
Reasonable hire. Solid chemistry. Kubes has some tools, looking forward to 2015.

TXBRONC
01-29-2015, 11:01 AM
Reasonable hire. Solid chemistry. Kubes has some tools, looking forward to 2015.

Absolutely. I wouldn't been against the hire of Joseph but he still unknown with Phillips as the coordinator we know Denver is getting top flight d.c.

G_Money
01-29-2015, 11:02 AM
Wade's defenses are stout and steady, much like Wade himself. They tend not to be flashy, or get excessive #s of turnovers. They're not especially risky, even though they bring the pressure, and they usually get off the field. Wade's defenses will almost never win you the game, but they will keep getting the ball sent back to your offense to let THEM win it. It relies on quite a bit of man-press in the early downs and nickel-pressure in later downs, IIRC, and it's a good fit for much of what we already have on that side of the ball.

He's a better DC than Del Rio. We have a ton of defensive talent. A couple tweaks to the personnel and our defense should do a MUCH better job of creating consistent pressure while shutting down the run.

We should field one of the better defenses in Manning's career. The rest will be up to his side of the ball - AKA Kubiak's specialty.

Hoping to see Houston's retreads turn into something special with the talent on this team. Sometimes the message just gets stale, and it's not a problem with the messenger. Looking forward to seeing how we change up some of the pieces on this squad to try to get another trophy in the case.

As John said, that's the goal - as it should be. :salute:

G_Money
01-29-2015, 11:12 AM
And no, Wade isn't a sexy hire, but the idea is to get better.

Dennison - better offensive mind than Gase.
Phillips - better defensive mind than Del Rio.
Kubiak - better motivator and gameplanner than Fox? We'll see.

But if you're better on both sides of the ball than the coaches who left - and got IMMEDIATELY hired by teams around the league because they were the best on the market - then it has to be considered a good start to the offseason.

I'm satisfied. Now go patch our holes, John. I wanna bathe in Patroit tears and pluck Seahawk feather outta my teeth, if you don't mind.

LTC Pain
01-29-2015, 11:14 AM
I like it! :defense:

TXBRONC
01-29-2015, 11:26 AM
And no, Wade isn't a sexy hire, but the idea is to get better.

Dennison - better offensive mind than Gase.
Phillips - better defensive mind than Del Rio.
Kubiak - better motivator and gameplanner than Fox? We'll see.

But if you're better on both sides of the ball than the coaches who left - and got IMMEDIATELY hired by teams around the league because they were the best on the market - then it has to be considered a good start to the offseason.

I'm satisfied. Now go patch our holes, John. I wanna bathe in Patroit tears and pluck Seahawk feather outta my teeth, if you don't mind.

It's best to cook the seachicken before otherwise you run the risk of salmonella poisoning.

Ravage!!!
01-29-2015, 11:27 AM
I actually like the Wade hire as our DC much more than the Kubiak hire as our HC. However, most coaches in the NFL succeed on their 2nd or 3rd team.....so having Kubiak "learn" on Houston's dime might very well pay off for us in a big way.

Joel
01-29-2015, 12:14 PM
Actually, Joel, that was the pass rush blowing up on the Super Bowl launchpad. Defense couldn't get off the field on third down.
The defense didn't lose 2 fumbles and throw 2 Ints. It's hard to overcome 4 turnovers in any game, and the only way to do it in a Conference Championship is if the OTHER teams D collapses ala GB.

Ziggy
01-29-2015, 12:26 PM
The defense didn't lose 2 fumbles and throw 2 Ints. It's hard to overcome 4 turnovers in any game, and the only way to do it in a Conference Championship is if the OTHER teams D collapses ala GB.

Let's not turn yet another thread into a super bowl re-hash argument please. This thread is about Wade being our new D coordinator.

Ziggy
01-29-2015, 12:26 PM
I can't wait to see what Von and Demarcus can do together when they're used the right way. If nothing else, this defense will be fun to watch next year.

TXBRONC
01-29-2015, 12:37 PM
I actually like the Wade hire as our DC much more than the Kubiak hire as our HC. However, most coaches in the NFL succeed on their 2nd or 3rd team.....so having Kubiak "learn" on Houston's dime might very well pay off for us in a big way.

I'm just the opposite. I like the Kubiak hiring the best because I think he's a leader.

Joel
01-29-2015, 12:54 PM
Seems fans wanted these coaches based on familiarity instead of actual results. I like Kubiak and Dennison alot but what have they done since they weren't with Shanahan? What did Wade do post Broncos?
I can't speak for others, but wanted them because of familiarity WITH consistent actual results.

Kubes and Denny succeeded not just with Denver, but BOTH teams they've coached since. It's not their fault Schaub could never be more than a scared pick-machine—basically Orton with a stronger arm—despite the efforts of coaches who made Pro Bowlers of him, Jake Plummer and Brain Griese. Their SOLE other failing in Houston was the D, and Wade took them from worst to 2nd best in a single year. But let's not forget that was a 2-14 expansion team when Kubiak arrived; just getting them to .500 in two seasons was an accomplishment.

Then Schaub imploded and three Pro Bowlers went on IR, so their season tanked, and that ONE bad year under awful circumstances was enough to get them all fired despite division titles each of the previous two years. So Kubiak and Dennison went to Baltimore and turned a bottom ranked offense into a top ten offense better than EVERY Ravens offense except the inaugural one 20 years ago. That was a turnaround nearly as big as Wades defensive one in Houston, and good enough to get a team falling apart last year to the divisional round this year: Again, quite an accomplishment.


Fox at least had 2 SB appearances. One with Delhomme and one with Manning. The blowout last year was on him? He didnt get blown out with Jake... just curious on why these guys are the best fit.
He got blown out with Jake until Carolinas first 4th qtr series, when he finally stopped the three-yards-and-a-cloud-of-dust into NEs solid defensive wall thing and let Delhomme unleash Tebow Time: So they scored 19 pts in the final period and turned a 10 pt deficit into a 4 pt lead only to lose by a FG because Fox waited too long to open up his playbook when necessary. Speaking of Tebow Time, he got to that SB the same way he got Tebow to the divisional round: A 3-0 OT record to reach the playoffs, then ANOTHER OT win to advance. Winning lots of coin tosses isn't great coaching.

As for his other SB: THREE different HCs have ridden Manning to a SB, so what did Fox accomplish by being one of them but having a FAR better D? Give Dungy or Caldwell that team and it's a blowout the OTHER way, but the TWO seasons Fox couldn't even win A playoff game with basically the same squad is far more telling than a first ballot HoF QB carrying him to a SB.

Joel
01-29-2015, 12:55 PM
Let's not turn yet another thread into a super bowl re-hash argument please. This thread is about Wade being our new D coordinator.
This part's a discussion of the '05 AFCCG, not the SB (though, for the record, I'm pretty sure we beat the snot out of Seattle that year if we don't explode on the home launchpad vs. Pitt.)

MasterShake
01-29-2015, 01:05 PM
I'll admit that I am a blind homer most of the time, but even I was having a hard time mustering the excitement of Fox and Del Rio coming back. I love the moves so far, everything is comfortable yet fresh at the same time. I don't know how this will translate next season (a lot still depends on Manning's return) but I love the idea of going to a more dynamic 3-4 defense. I think Miller and Ware will shine. And suddenly I want Pot Roast back to anchor that line.

Lancane
01-29-2015, 01:24 PM
The only part of the new staff I am questionable about is new DB Coach Joe Woods, the players expressed that they wanted Rod Woodson to return in that capacity and Woods style which is usually Tampa 2 does not really play to our defensive back's strengths, man corners which it could be argued that our top three cornerbacks are don't exactly fit the idea of that particular scheme. Not to mention that defensive backs everywhere he's coached have struggled during his tenures with those teams.

Ravage!!!
01-29-2015, 01:41 PM
The only part of the new staff I am questionable about is new DB Coach Joe Woods, the players expressed that they wanted Rod Woodson to return in that capacity and Woods style which is usually Tampa 2 does not really play to our defensive back's strengths, man corners which it could be argued that our top three cornerbacks are don't exactly fit the idea of that particular scheme. Not to mention that defensive backs everywhere he's coached have struggled during his tenures with those teams.

I didn't see thta we hired Woods. I have to admit, I had pretty high hopes of Rod Woodson as well.

Buff
01-29-2015, 01:47 PM
I'll admit that I am a blind homer most of the time, but even I was having a hard time mustering the excitement of Fox and Del Rio coming back. I love the moves so far, everything is comfortable yet fresh at the same time. I don't know how this will translate next season (a lot still depends on Manning's return) but I love the idea of going to a more dynamic 3-4 defense. I think Miller and Ware will shine. And suddenly I want Pot Roast back to anchor that line.

I seem to be on the other end of the spectrum. I cannot bring myself to muster any excitement for a single coaching hire beyond Kubes. It seems like a lot of convenience/relationship hires and guys who were not in demand anywhere else. I worry that nepotism could stand in the way of bringing in the best talent.

Lancane
01-29-2015, 01:47 PM
I didn't see thta we hired Woods. I have to admit, I had pretty high hopes of Rod Woodson as well.

Yeah, PFT reported it.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/28/broncos-hiring-joe-woods-as-defensive-backs-coach/

Ravage!!!
01-29-2015, 01:51 PM
I seem to be on the other end of the spectrum. I cannot bring myself to muster any excitement for a single coaching hire beyond Kubes. It seems like a lot of convenience/relationship hires and guys who were not in demand anywhere else. I worry that nepotism could stand in the way of bringing in the best talent.

I think Wade has shown success in his defenses where ever he has been the DC. Known as one of the very best. Nepetism and coaches hiring whom they are familiar with, is the reason he doesn't have a job right now. Not beacuse of his coaching abilities.

Ravage!!!
01-29-2015, 01:51 PM
Yeah, PFT reported it.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/28/broncos-hiring-joe-woods-as-defensive-backs-coach/

Saw that we brought back our TEs coach from Super Bowl years.

Denver Native (Carol)
01-29-2015, 01:52 PM
With Wade Phillips as the Broncos' new defensive coordinator, expect the Broncos to turn loose their pass rushers.

Phillips and Defensive Backs Coach Joe Woods became the final pieces to the puzzle of the Broncos' defensive coaching staff Wednesday night. They joined Bill Kollar and Reggie Herring, who were named to coach the defensive line and linebackers, respectively, in the previous week.

Woods is new to Phillips, having coached with the Buccaneers, Vikings and Raiders in 11 previous NFL seasons, but Herring and Kollar are not, having worked under Phillips during his three-year stint as defensive coordinator with the Texans from 2011-13.

Together, they will oversee an expected transition to a 3-4 alignment, which has been a Phillips trademark for decades.

rest - http://www.denverbroncos.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/With-Wade-Phillips-aggressive-defense-is-back-in-town/3f4d5e45-5d66-4c52-aaad-9705659ca63c

Denver Native (Carol)
01-29-2015, 01:53 PM
from same article:


Further, with edge rushers Von Miller and DeMarcus Ware, prototypical 5-technique defensive ends in Derek Wolfe and Malik Jackson and quick tackling machines in Danny Trevathan and Brandon Marshall, the Broncos have the personnel to succeed in the 3-4. The only question is at nose tackle, where Terrance Knighton is set to become a free agent in March.

"I want a defense where we can create our own identity," Miller said at the Pro Bowl. "You've got the Seahawks defense, the old Bears defense. I want to get back to the Broncos defense (as) the Orange Crush. I want for us to start developing our own identity."

And with the personnel on hand, that identity should be an aggressive one. That style has been a hallmark of Phillips' defenses since he spent three seasons on Buddy Ryan's defensive staff with the Philadelphia Eagles from 1986-88.

http://www.denverbroncos.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/With-Wade-Phillips-aggressive-defense-is-back-in-town/3f4d5e45-5d66-4c52-aaad-9705659ca63c

Valar Morghulis
01-29-2015, 02:00 PM
I actually mocked the idea of Kubes, Wade and Shanny returning a few months ago.

I am happy with Kubes at HC, pleased Dennison is back but i really think Phillips has passed his sell by date - i hope it is just a rental until Joseph becomes available.

Overall i am happy - but still underwhelmed, although i dont necessarily think that is a bad thing as a sensationalist hire would likely flame out - at least this way Elway knows exactly what he is getting

BroncoNut
01-29-2015, 02:07 PM
Awwww lord dogfish, you're killing me with jack of the river :lol: :lol:

I lold to my girl and she just rolled her eyes.....I'm still laughing. Classic

anyone with a semester of Spanish would know it wasn't that clever really. eff dog jk

Lancane
01-29-2015, 02:07 PM
I actually mocked the idea of Kubes, Wade and Shanny returning a few months ago.

I am happy with Kubes at HC, pleased Dennison is back but i really think Phillips has passed his sell by date - i hope it is just a rental until Joseph becomes available.

Overall i am happy - but still underwhelmed, although i dont necessarily think that is a bad thing as a sensationalist hire would likely flame out - at least this way Elway knows exactly what he is getting

Not sure that Joseph will ever be a Bronco. San Francisco wanted to make him the Assistant Head Coach/Defensive Coordinator. IMHO, Phillips will likely be in his current role a couple years or more but will end up retiring or staying in another role while the Broncos promote from within which is their forte.

tomjonesrocks
01-29-2015, 02:24 PM
I wonder if Joseph is pissed at Cinci.

He should be. And other coaches should think twice before taking jobs there.

G_Money
01-29-2015, 02:34 PM
I seem to be on the other end of the spectrum. I cannot bring myself to muster any excitement for a single coaching hire beyond Kubes. It seems like a lot of convenience/relationship hires and guys who were not in demand anywhere else. I worry that nepotism could stand in the way of bringing in the best talent.

That was my concern as well. I prefer Phillips to the unproven Joseph - if Wade can take a Professor Emeritus role with the team if we ever do get Joseph over here, even better. And like I said, I believe Phillips is a better DC than Del Rio - who had never BEEN a DC before he came here. The defense was a lot of Fox's input, but he was a pretty hands-off coach, so it's not like he was involved in every aspect.

I was happy with the assistants McDaniels hired - before he feuded with all of them and fired some. There's something to be said for having a cohesive unit, and if Captain Insano, aka Jim Schwartz, didn't fit then he didn't fit. Phillips is a terrific DC, and for the next year or two we should have the best shot to get that ring with Manning (I assume). And once he retires and Wade gets too old, there will be another shuffling of personnel and coaches.

And maybe then we'll get a DC that Kubiak isn't already best buds with but is a talented mofo anyway. :cool:

G_Money
01-29-2015, 02:36 PM
I wonder if Joseph is pissed at Cinci.

He should be. And other coaches should think twice before taking jobs there.

Cinci has done it before, too. I'm surprised they can get people to go work there.

underrated29
01-29-2015, 02:36 PM
Its not the translation nut. Its the fact that no one has said it. Slick is going to drown you for this.

Bronco9798
01-29-2015, 02:45 PM
Uncle Wade! I liked him when he was here. Just a good dude and a very good DC. Glad to have him back. He comes from a very good blood line.

Rick
01-29-2015, 03:34 PM
I don't see how anyone can say the game has passed Wade by because of his age. It was only a few years ago that he was putting out some of the top defenses, he only took 1 season off.

It's not like he forgot how to coach defense in his 1 season break.

Denver Native (Carol)
01-29-2015, 03:38 PM
My younger son said in regards to Wade - terrible HC, terrific DC. I also feel that way.

Lancane
01-29-2015, 03:39 PM
I don't see how anyone can say the game has passed Wade by because of his age. It was only a few years ago that he was putting out some of the top defenses, he only took 1 season off.

It's not like he forgot how to coach defense in his 1 season break.

I think it's because some have issues with his age and that like all the others hired there are old ties to the club, they wanted some new blood but instead we got old and proven...that sort of thing. I absolutely like the hire, I would have been okay with Nolan returning too if Phillips would not have gotten the job.

Lancane
01-29-2015, 03:40 PM
My younger son said in regards to Wade - terrible HC, terrific DC. I also feel that way.

Smart kid Carol, glad to see you raised him right! :beer:

Rick
01-29-2015, 03:42 PM
Atleast Elway's retreads are qualified, unlike the Shanny buddy hires that couldn't coordinate their way out of a wet paper bag, ala Slowik.

Lancane
01-29-2015, 03:45 PM
Atleast Elway's retreads are qualified, unlike the Shanny buddy hires that couldn't coordinate their way out of a wet paper bag, ala Slowik.

Did we really have to go to that dark place? God, how many times did we simply go 'Why the Hell'?

Joel
01-29-2015, 03:54 PM
Atleast Elway's retreads are qualified, unlike the Shanny buddy hires that couldn't coordinate their way out of a wet paper bag, ala Slowik.
That's it: We hired ALL of them on performance merits; the personal and professional history just portends a more positive, cooperative and cohesive plan and execution

It also greased the wheels though. Was the Kubiak/Dennison BOGO I kept hoping for even possible for ANY other team? When Kubes declined all his many other HC offers because he said he preferred Baltimore, I believe he meant it: Mr. Bowlen, Elway and Denver are the ONE group that could change his mind, to such an extent it sounds like it was a done deal the moment they asked. Many teams would surely love to bring Wades defensive achievements to their clubs, but how many offers has he accepted since leaving Houston?

REALLY psyched about virtually all the new coaches, ironically because the Texans record so many hold against them is a huge mark of achievement in my book.

Lancane
01-29-2015, 04:01 PM
Phillips actually drew interest from San Francisco, Washington and Oakland but did not interview for any of the positions I believe. So, I think Denver gave him a chance to go to a team he loved and had ties to when he knew there was not much time left in his coaching lifeline.

Denver Native (Carol)
01-29-2015, 04:17 PM
Some of the other coaches, which were hired, have Bronco connections - I had no idea the guy they brought in as TE coach, was here when Shannon was here, was here when the Broncos won their two SBs.

Ravage!!!
01-29-2015, 04:18 PM
Some of the other coaches, which were hired, have Bronco connections - I had no idea the guy they brought in as TE coach, was here when Shannon was here, was here when the Broncos won their two SBs.

Hopefully, we can KEEP our Stud TE to work with him.

MasterShake
01-29-2015, 04:23 PM
I seem to be on the other end of the spectrum. I cannot bring myself to muster any excitement for a single coaching hire beyond Kubes. It seems like a lot of convenience/relationship hires and guys who were not in demand anywhere else. I worry that nepotism could stand in the way of bringing in the best talent.

I wasn't jumping out of my seat happy when I heard about Wade, but I thought it was a solid choice given our lack of options. Kubiak is who I wanted for HC, so everything else is just better by proxy I suppose. I

TXBRONC
01-29-2015, 04:53 PM
I'll admit that I am a blind homer most of the time, but even I was having a hard time mustering the excitement of Fox and Del Rio coming back. I love the moves so far, everything is comfortable yet fresh at the same time. I don't know how this will translate next season (a lot still depends on Manning's return) but I love the idea of going to a more dynamic 3-4 defense. I think Miller and Ware will shine. And suddenly I want Pot Roast back to anchor that line.

Same here. They're familiar but it doesn't feel old and tired.

TXBRONC
01-29-2015, 05:01 PM
I actually mocked the idea of Kubes, Wade and Shanny returning a few months ago.

I am happy with Kubes at HC, pleased Dennison is back but i really think Phillips has passed his sell by date - i hope it is just a rental until Joseph becomes available.

Overall i am happy - but still underwhelmed, although i dont necessarily think that is a bad thing as a sensationalist hire would likely flame out - at least this way Elway knows exactly what he is getting

Phillips is still considered one of the better defensive coordinators in the League.

OrangeHoof
01-29-2015, 05:05 PM
At least Phillips' system fits much of the talent base on defense. I'm still unsure Manning is going to mesh well with the Kubiak/Shanahan system although, to Kube's credit, Flacco is something of a statue like Manning and he made it work. But I know Kubes really wants someone to do play-action rollouts behind a cut-blocking zone-blocking running attack.

I have no doubts Wade will take that defense and make them fit his system. We might shed a DT or two that may become superflous and draft some ILBs in the 3rd-4th rounds for depth but the rest can stay as is. It's Kubiak and Manning that I question if they can meld into something truly effective. I do like C.J. Anderson's skills in a one-cut blocking scheme. As Arian Foster and Justin Forsett proved, you don't have to be a drafted RB to excel in Kubiak's offense.

7DnBrnc53
01-29-2015, 05:10 PM
The defense didn't lose 2 fumbles and throw 2 Ints. It's hard to overcome 4 turnovers in any game, and the only way to do it in a Conference Championship is if the OTHER teams D collapses ala GB.

The defense put them in a hole by not getting off the field, though.

dogfish
01-29-2015, 05:22 PM
The defense put them in a hole by not getting off the field, though.

come on, man! don't get that stuff started, it has nothing to do with the broncos hiring wade. . . start another thread, please. . .

NightTrainLayne
01-29-2015, 05:39 PM
I seem to be on the other end of the spectrum. I cannot bring myself to muster any excitement for a single coaching hire beyond Kubes. It seems like a lot of convenience/relationship hires and guys who were not in demand anywhere else. I worry that nepotism could stand in the way of bringing in the best talent.

Elway brought in Fox and a bunch of guys who were in demand elsewhere and have since gotten their own HC gigs and it didn't work.

Now Elway is bringing in what you call "convenience/relationship" hires. I understand why you're making that argument, but maybe Kubiak is the best talent, and is assembling a good team of coaches. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Buff
01-29-2015, 05:54 PM
Elway brought in Fox and a bunch of guys who were in demand elsewhere and have since gotten their own HC gigs and it didn't work.

Now Elway is bringing in what you call "convenience/relationship" hires. I understand why you're making that argument, but maybe Kubiak is the best talent, and is assembling a good team of coaches. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Well just to clarify - I love the Kubiak hire. It's the assistants who I worry about.

I agree - and I acknowledge that the jury is still out. If we can win with these guys, I love the idea of bringing in guys who care about the franchise and the city. Guys who we know aren't going to clash with the culture. I like the idea of not cycling in a bunch of hired mercenaries and winning "The Bronco Way" for lack of a better term.

But my concerns still stand. I just think that it's a flawed way of hiring no matter what industry. But then again, I'm open to trying it this way.

Jsteve01
01-29-2015, 06:13 PM
Elway brought in Fox and a bunch of guys who were in demand elsewhere and have since gotten their own HC gigs and it didn't work.

Now Elway is bringing in what you call "convenience/relationship" hires. I understand why you're making that argument, but maybe Kubiak is the best talent, and is assembling a good team of coaches. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Well just to clarify - I love the Kubiak hire. It's the assistants who I worry about.

I agree - and I acknowledge that the jury is still out. If we can win with these guys, I love the idea of bringing in guys who care about the franchise and the city. Guys who we know aren't going to clash with the culture. I like the idea of not cycling in a bunch of hired mercenaries and winning "The Bronco Way" for lack of a better term.

But my concerns still stand. I just think that it's a flawed way of hiring no matter what industry. But then again, I'm open to trying it this way.. What's not to likeabout wade?

Buff
01-29-2015, 06:48 PM
. What's not to likeabout wade?

You know me, I'm one of those progressives. I don't want the 70-year old Texan. I want the up and comer who can better relate to the younger guys and try new things. Someone in that Dennis Allen, Vance Joseph mold...

However, if reports are true that Wade would shift to a consultant next year to make room for Joseph, then I like that plan.

Lancane
01-29-2015, 07:03 PM
You know me, I'm one of those progressives. I don't want the 70-year old Texan. I want the up and comer who can better relate to the younger guys and try new things. Someone in that Dennis Allen, Vance Joseph mold...

However, if reports are true that Wade would shift to a consultant next year to make room for Joseph, then I like that plan.

What reports Buff? I've seen nothing stating he'll possibly move to a consultant position after the season. He signed a two year deal, now they may bring in Joseph after the year in some capacity. But the Broncos would look like shmucks hiring Phillips then releasing him for Joseph after the year is done.

Buff
01-29-2015, 07:05 PM
What reports Buff? I've seen nothing stating he'll possibly move to a consultant position after the season. He signed a two year deal, now they may bring in Joseph after the year in some capacity. But the Broncos would look like shmucks hiring Phillips then releasing him for Joseph after the year is done.

It was from Alex Marvez, who initially broke the news that the Bengals were blocking Joseph. Not sure how credible it is. IAOFM reported on it - http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/wade-phillips-may-be-placeholder-dc-for-vance-joseph

Joel
01-29-2015, 07:06 PM
Hopefully, we can KEEP our Stud TE to work with him.
Don't worry, I'm pretty sure Green will re-sign relatively cheaply; it's not like he'd be stupid enough to demand All Pro WR money for playing TE. ;)

MNPatsFan
01-29-2015, 07:11 PM
Sorry didn't have the chance to read the entire thread, so was hoping I could have the cliff notes version of whether Broncos fans are happy with this hire. Wade has always seemed to be a very good DC, but not a very good HC. I think he will do a good job.

Simple Jaded
01-29-2015, 10:48 PM
Sorry didn't have the chance to read the entire thread, so was hoping I could have the cliff notes version of whether Broncos fans are happy with this hire. Wade has always seemed to be a very good DC, but not a very good HC. I think he will do a good job.

Yes.

WARHORSE
01-30-2015, 12:29 AM
WADE does not fire me up. How much ingenuity is left in the man? In this day and age, you have to be able to scheme well enough to be the difference maker.

I dont see this. I hope Im wrong and that our talent will dictate success...............but Im not real enthused. Hes a veteran thought thats for sure.

NightTerror218
01-30-2015, 12:58 AM
I would just like a coaching staff that last over 2 yrs together. Young up and comers are great until hires for a HC job. In 3 years we had 3 assistants get HC job and 1 other interview around. I would like so e coaching consistency. Nice have DelRio for a few years.

Ravage!!!
01-30-2015, 12:27 PM
WADE does not fire me up. How much ingenuity is left in the man? In this day and age, you have to be able to scheme well enough to be the difference maker.

I dont see this. I hope Im wrong and that our talent will dictate success...............but Im not real enthused. Hes a veteran thought thats for sure.

War.. dude... I really like you..... but this is just completely wrong. Football has NOT changed in the last 50 years, and certainly over the last 10. Wade's defensive "schemes" have proved time and time again to be GOOD defenses, and believing that any 'younger' DC would bring something "new" to football is just flat out incorrect.

Buff
01-30-2015, 12:36 PM
War.. dude... I really like you..... but this is just completely wrong. Football has NOT changed in the last 50 years, and certainly over the last 10. Wade's defensive "schemes" have proved time and time again to be GOOD defenses, and believing that any 'younger' DC would bring something "new" to football is just flat out incorrect.

It's a subjective opinion, dude. Nobody is right or wrong at this stage. We're all just giving opinions.

Rick
01-30-2015, 12:40 PM
Wade's defensive rankings in 2011 was 2nd, 7th in 2012 and 7th in 2013.

He took 2014 off.

I have doubts that he forgot all about defense between 3 years of top 10 defenses, 1 year off, and then now.

Wade has a very good 3-4 defense and I think arguably we can say we have the best group of defenders he has ever been gifted to work with.

Ravage!!!
01-30-2015, 12:43 PM
It's a subjective opinion, dude. Nobody is right or wrong at this stage. We're all just giving opinions.

Of course. But if what he is saying is true, why are we hiring an HC that was an OC 17 years ago? Why are most of the better coaches in the NFL, over 60? My statement to him wasn't JUST to him, but it's a comment on the general understanding of the game. Defensive concepts haven't changed. Even with the upped pace offenses and their speed of no huddle, defensive concepts today are the same as they were 50 years ago. That's all i'm sayin'.

wayninja
01-30-2015, 12:45 PM
WADE does not fire me up. How much ingenuity is left in the man? In this day and age, you have to be able to scheme well enough to be the difference maker.

I dont see this. I hope Im wrong and that our talent will dictate success...............but Im not real enthused. Hes a veteran thought thats for sure.

I don't know that we need a ton of ingenuity. Hard nose, brass tacks footballs with an emphasis on discipline and fundamentals seems good to me.

Rick
01-30-2015, 12:49 PM
I don't know that we need a ton of ingenuity. Hard nose, brass tacks footballs with an emphasis on discipline and fundamentals seems good to me.

As well as a "sick 'em boys!' attitude.

We have elite pass rushers, we need to take the leashes off.

OrangeHoof
01-30-2015, 12:58 PM
You know me, I'm one of those progressives. I don't want the 70-year old Texan. I want the up and comer who can better relate to the younger guys and try new things. Someone in that Dennis Allen, Vance Joseph mold...

However, if reports are true that Wade would shift to a consultant next year to make room for Joseph, then I like that plan.

Wade lost his coaching father ("Bun" Phillips) a year or so ago and they were very close. I think Wade needed a year off to take care of family matters and regroup before getting back into coaching. If he has agreed to withdraw into a consultant role to make room for Joseph, that would be ideal and a classy move by Elway to keep him on.

Buff
01-30-2015, 01:04 PM
Of course. But if what he is saying is true, why are we hiring an HC that was an OC 17 years ago? Why are most of the better coaches in the NFL, over 60? My statement to him wasn't JUST to him, but it's a comment on the general understanding of the game. Defensive concepts haven't changed. Even with the upped pace offenses and their speed of no huddle, defensive concepts today are the same as they were 50 years ago. That's all i'm sayin'.

How many Super Bowls has Wade won with his defenses? I'll give you a hint, it's not more than zero. And he's been coaching longer than I've been alive.

I don't want to get too down on the guy - he might be just the guy we need... But I think there's plenty of room for debate as to whether he's the right guy... And plenty of debate as to how the increased passing/defensive rules have changes the nature of the game.

Ravage!!!
01-30-2015, 01:24 PM
How many Super Bowls has Wade won with his defenses? I'll give you a hint, it's not more than zero. And he's been coaching longer than I've been alive.

I don't want to get too down on the guy - he might be just the guy we need... But I think there's plenty of room for debate as to whether he's the right guy... And plenty of debate as to how the increased passing/defensive rules have changes the nature of the game.

Hmm.. interesting perspective. So Super Bowl winning DCs are the only ones that seem to have proved to be good enough? It's kinda strange to me though, since the alternative idea given is to pick a younger coach, that hasn't won a Super Bowl as a DC.

As far as the rest.... I already know the defenses are the same. But you are right, a topic for another day.

NightTrainLayne
01-30-2015, 01:57 PM
How many Super Bowls has Wade won with his defenses? I'll give you a hint, it's not more than zero. And he's been coaching longer than I've been alive.

I don't want to get too down on the guy - he might be just the guy we need... But I think there's plenty of room for debate as to whether he's the right guy... And plenty of debate as to how the increased passing/defensive rules have changes the nature of the game.

So Greg Robinson is your guy? :D :joke:

TXBRONC
01-30-2015, 02:05 PM
WADE does not fire me up. How much ingenuity is left in the man? In this day and age, you have to be able to scheme well enough to be the difference maker.

I dont see this. I hope Im wrong and that our talent will dictate success...............but Im not real enthused. Hes a veteran thought thats for sure.

Dick Labeau was well into 70's by the time Steelers won their last two Super Bowls.

Joel
01-30-2015, 05:49 PM
Hmm.. interesting perspective. So Super Bowl winning DCs are the only ones that seem to have proved to be good enough? It's kinda strange to me though, since the alternative idea given is to pick a younger coach, that hasn't won a Super Bowl as a DC.
Bit of a Catch 22, yeah.

Let's REALLY look at Wades DC history though. It really starts when he his dads defensive line coach with the Oilers, a team that reached the AFCCG two years straight only to lose for the same reason they were wildcards both times: Because they shared a division with the Steelers dynasty that won 4 SBs in a decade, including 2 against the Cowboys dynasty that was 2-3 in SBs during that same decade (but 2-1 against everyone but Pitt.) Depsite all that, Houston might well have won that second AFCCG if not for a call so bad it made replay review legal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF6gWCNDolM

A year later, Bud Adams blew up that team as "punishment" for not reaching the SB* so Wade found himself DC for the Aints when he joined Bum and Earl Campbell there; ask Peyton or his dad what missing SBs with THAT team proved: http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr05/2013/9/17/12/enhanced-buzz-9010-1379435929-17.jpg Wades dad finally gave up, retired and let Wade succeed him for the rest of the season before moving on as Phillys DC.

The Eagles were the ONLY current NFCE team not to win MULTIPLE SBs from 1982-1994, which made Wades team whipping boys for Gibbs' 'Skins dynasty and Parcells' Giants. Both included Denver among their SB victims BEFORE Wade joined the Broncos, but he'd made it to Denver by the time Walshs '9ers dynasty added Denver to 3 victims. But Denver reached 3 SBs before and during Wades DC tenure because of Elway and a great D, losing DESPITE them, while SF, NY and Washington between them won 8 SBs in just 11 years: NO ONE but each other could stop those dynasties.

After that he became Bills DC just before Jim Kelly turned 35 and Thurman Thomas 30; Wades D was ranked in the top 10 all save his first year, but the once elite no-huddle K Gun offense was out of ammo, never ranking better than average, and usually far worse: Is that the top ten defenses fault? Next stop Atlanta, Wades only truly bad showing, where an awful team went to the SB the second year after Reeves and Wade came in, then immediately went crashing back to the bottom and stayed their till it got the coaches fired.

On to SD, where Wade again produced a top ten all but his first season as DC, despite Martyball leaving it on the field too often and to close to its goal line; when Turner replaced Shottenheimer and brought in Rivera as DC, those top ten SD defenses quickly fell into the bottom ten the next two years before Rivera got himself an HC job by lifting the to #1 for a single season. By then Wade was in Houston and we know the story: From worst to second best in a single year as defense increasingly became the defining feature of what had previously been an offense-first team under Kubes.

I'm just not seeing much to criticize there. Maybe he chose poor HCs/GMs/owners, but he's with three very good ones now, so I expect great things.





*After hand-picking his new team, Adams would blow IT up for the same reason a decade later, hand-pick Steve McNair to succeed Warren Moon, finally reach a SB and STILL come up One Yard Short of OT: Maybe the Oilers problem was neither players, coaches nor even GMs, but the guy who hired each and promptly fired each of they didn't take him all the way as fast as he wanted.

7DnBrnc53
01-30-2015, 09:37 PM
*After hand-picking his new team, Adams would blow IT up for the same reason a decade later, hand-pick Steve McNair to succeed Warren Moon, finally reach a SB and STILL come up One Yard Short of OT: Maybe the Oilers problem was neither players, coaches nor even GMs, but the guy who hired each and promptly fired each of they didn't take him all the way as fast as he wanted.

The problem was that Elmer Fudd Adams, while firing some assistant coaches (including DC Jim Eddy) forgot to fire the John Fox of his day, Jack Pardee, after that Wild Card debacle against Buffalo. He should have done that, and brought in Dan Reeves, who was just fired in Denver.

Then, if he would have brought in a guy like Buddy Ryan to run the D, it wouldn't have been as bad because Ryan wouldn't have been able to get away with the things that he did under John Fox, uh, I mean Jack Pardee (it is so easy to get them confused.

Simple Jaded
01-30-2015, 10:20 PM
Boring.

Lancane
01-31-2015, 04:29 PM
Boring.

How about that Dunkin Donuts Coffee???...LOL

Simple Jaded
01-31-2015, 05:00 PM
How about that Dunkin Donuts Coffee???...LOL

Solid until the stupid owner went and messed with it.