The search for Defensive Coordinator.

[CrazyHorse]

Any names out there being floated around? I know they wanted Vance Joseph but the move was denied. Jim Schwartz was relieved of his duties and is available.

[Lancane]

Any names out there being floated around? I know they wanted Vance Joseph but the move was denied. Jim Schwartz was relieved of his duties and is available.

You don't want to know Horse, what we're hearing isn't promising...whatsoever.

[CrazyHorse]

You don't want to know Horse, what we're hearing isn't promising...whatsoever.

Bob Slowik? Jim Bates?

[underrated29]

Bob Slowik? Jim Bates?



apparently in the same mold.

[Rick]

Latest was Richard Smith, our LB coach.

[silkamilkamonico]

Would love to hear from them why they feel this is the best interest of the organization right now.

[Rick]

It may not be true, its only been reported by one source.

[Ziggy]

Would love to hear from them why they feel this is the best interest of the organization right now.

Again....no one within the Broncos organization has confirmed this rumor. It's Cecil Lammey throwing more crap against the wall which he's known for doing.

[silkamilkamonico]

Again....no one within the Broncos organization has confirmed this rumor. It's Cecil Lammey throwing more crap against the wall which he's known for doing.



It may be Cecil Lammney throwing things against the wall, but again, if it comes down to a very questionable hire at DC, even VJ, I would love to hear from them why they think a hire like that is a good fit for this particular time in the organization right now.

[Joel]

For what it's worth, despite widespread expectations and lots of scuttlebutt, there was very little word out of Dove Valley about Kubes until it was practically a done deal. I personally think they had their hearts set on Kubiaks old Texans secondary coach after he interviewed well and are at a loss since Cincy decided to be a dog in a manger, but there's no telling what conversations are happening behind the scenes. I'd be very surprised if we go with a position coach Kubiak fired as Texans DC though; he knows well what burned so much of his capital there was nothing left to cover even a single season Schaub meltdown.

Elways drafts and FA moves make VERY clear he's serious about having a top D though, so I doubt he hires anyone unless convinced that'll be the result.

[Magnificent Seven]

What about Mike Nolan?

[Magnificent Seven]

Or Greg Robinson? :salute:

[underrated29]

A big no on mike Nolan please.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Mike Nolan has a job.

[Lancane]

A big no on mike Nolan please.

I would take Mike Nolan over most candidates UR, especially Richard F'n Smith!

[Lancane]

Mike Nolan has a job.

No he does not.

[Ravage!!!]

Whats Romeo Crennel doing?

[Rick]

I think Nolan was doing a good job here until whatever happened between him and McDaniels.

[Ravage!!!]

I think Nolan was doing a good job here until whatever happened between him and McDaniels.
indeed

[Lancane]

Whats Romeo Crennel doing?

He is in the second year of a three year contract with the Texans as their defensive coordinator.

[tripp]

I'd like to see Jim Schwartz here. High motor guy who can motivate the defence. Give them an edge they didn't really seem to have last year.

[Simple Jaded]

No he does not.

Isn't he still under contract with Falcons?

[Simple Jaded]

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/159582/falcons-coaching-staff-starting-to-take-form

Lan nailed it, says here that Nolan was let go and has moved back to his in.......get this.......Denver.

[silkamilkamonico]

Any updates on the search? Cannot believe we don't have one in place yet. Would like to know what they are waiting for, unless it's a position coach on one of the SUperBowl teams.

[Buff]

Not looking promising -


ESPN Denver ‏@ESPN_Denver 8m8 minutes ago

Per @MikeKlis, #Broncos' DC candidates if they can't hire Vance Joseph: Wade Phillips, Richard Smith, Mike Smith & Don "Wink" Martindale.

[TXBRONC]

Not looking promising -

Wade Phillips would be a very good hire.

[BroncoJoe]

Mike Smith? Cut his teeth under Rex Ryan and Brian Billick with the Ravens.

[Buff]

Wade Phillips would be a very good hire.

That hire wouldn't do much for me - especially since the entire staff seems to be made up of retreads. Also not sure how I'd feel about a move back to the 3-4 at this stage.

[Lancane]

Not looking promising -

I'd be fine with Phillips, Mike Smith and Joseph, but not with Richard Smith or Martindale (again).

Especially after hearing that more of our staff has followed Fox to Chicago, the support staff and assistants are thinning. If Kubiak and Elway don't choose soon they'll be scrambling to fill minor positions which are just as important.

[Lancane]

That hire wouldn't do much for me - especially since the entire staff seems to be made up of retreads. Also not sure how I'd feel about a move back to the 3-4 at this stage.

Buff, we will be just fine switching to the 3-4, actually our best personnel fit that defensive scheme better. And I understand the retread sentiment, but what can we do?

[TXBRONC]

That hire wouldn't do much for me - especially since the entire staff seems to be made up of retreads. Also not sure how I'd feel about a move back to the 3-4 at this stage.

All I know Phillips consistently puts a good defense on the field and given that Joseph has been a position coach under both Phillips and Nolan there was good chance he would have moved the defense back to a 3-4. I'm kind of leery of moving back to 3-4 because personnel wise Denver is still better suited to a 4-3.

[BroncoJoe]

I'm not worried about the difference between 3-4 vs 4-3. We play both throughout the games anyway. I doubt much would change.

[Rick]

We fit the 3-4 MUCH better now than we did the last 2 times we tried it.

We tried it briefly under Shanny, hybrid if I remember. Failure.

We tried it under Nolan/Martindale, semi success under Nolan, failure under Martindale.

If we can keep pot roast or replace him with someone as good as he is then we are ok with 3-4, in some ways better than 4-3, but if don't fill that position...

[VonDoom]

I didn't see this mentioned, but Klis has an article up that lists some candidates that may or may not be on the team's radar. Also an interesting note about Rod Woodson:



If Joseph doesn't become available, the Broncos' backup list of defensive coordinator candidates includes Wade Phillips, their own linebackers coach Richard Smith, former Atlanta Falcons head coach Mike Smith and Baltimore Ravens inside linebackers coach Don "Wink" Martindale.

"I don't know who our defensive coordinator is going to be, but we all want Rod Woodson to be our defensive backs coach," said Broncos Pro Bowl cornerback Chris Harris.

Woodson worked with the Broncos as a coaching intern during the 2014 offseason and training camp. A Hall of Fame cornerback and safety, Woodson was instrumental in bringing along rookie Bradley Roby this season.

"That's a great group of guys they have back there," said Woodson, who has media commitments with the Pro Bowl.

The rest: http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_27376047/vance-joseph-remains-denver-broncos-wish-list

[Buff]

Sorry for being a negative nancy this morning... But Mike Smith has always struck me as a dimwit. Like Jim Zorn or Joe Philbin, he seems out of touch and goofy.

[Lancane]

Not sure that it's been posted but Bill Kollar is supposedly Denver's new defensive line coach who was also the defensive line coach for Kubiak in Houston before and under Phillips.

http://houseofhouston.com/2015/01/23/houston-texans-lose-dl-coach-bill-kollar-gary-kubiak/

[CoachChaz]

One would think there are definitely worse people to have as a DB coach than a Hall of Famer that was a Pro-Bowler at both CB and S. But thus far, his coaching and intern positions havent exactly been stunning experiences and teams keep letting him go. I guess we'll see.

[VonDoom]

Not sure that it's been posted but Bill Kollar is supposedly Denver's new defensive line coach who was also the defensive line coach for Kubiak in Houston before and under Phillips.

http://houseofhouston.com/2015/01/23/houston-texans-lose-dl-coach-bill-kollar-gary-kubiak/

We've got a lot of threads for similar topics, but yes, the Kollar stuff is in one of the Kubiak threads. Sounds like a good hire based on what people are saying.

[CoachChaz]

I think I'd rather Joseph over Phillips

[Lancane]

With Kollar as the defensive line coach, it could be pointing at Phillips likely being the DC because they've worked together before. Smith will likely be retained as Linebackers Coach and if the players get their way Rod Woodson will not be an intern but made the fulltime DB Coach.

[CoachChaz]

With Kollar as the defensive line coach, it could be pointing at Phillips likely being the DC because they've worked together before. Smith will likely be retained as Linebackers Coach and if the players get their way Rod Woodson will not be an intern but made the fulltime DB Coach.

I'm still going to hold on to the thread of hope that Cincy releases Joseph

[Lancane]

Wade Phillips tweeted this in December.



Wade Phillips @sonofbum · Dec 22
My old teams won-Texans,Dallas,SD,Atl,and lost-Saints, Bills,Eagles and haven't played yet-Broncos and won't play -Oilers -I loved them all

Class Act.

[Lancane]

I'm still going to hold on to the thread of hope that Cincy releases Joseph

Chaz, right now it looks as the only way to get Vance Joseph will be to give Cincinnati something in return. The fact O'Brien allowed Kollar to come to Denver without pulling the same crap is making Brown look like a bigger ***hat, but I don't think he cares.

[CoachChaz]

Chaz, right now it looks as the only way to get Vance Joseph will be to give Cincinnati something in return. The fact O'Brien allowed Kollar to come to Denver without pulling the same crap is making Brown look like a bigger ***hat, but I don't think he cares.

I know he doesnt care and eventually he'll cave. He pulled the same thing with Coyle when Philly wanted to hire him...only to let him go to Miami the following year.

[Lancane]

I know he doesnt care and eventually he'll cave. He pulled the same thing with Coyle when Philly wanted to hire him...only to let him go to Miami the following year.

I don't see the Broncos waiting a year to fill the position...lol. But I get what you're saying, but Brown is one of the worst owners in football. At least Jerry Jones and Jim Irsay are only nuts, Brown is up there with Al Davis as purely ***holes.

[CoachChaz]

I don't see the Broncos waiting a year to fill the position...lol. But I get what you're saying, but Brown is one of the worst owners in football. At least Jerry Jones and Jim Irsay are only nuts, Brown is up there with Al Davis as purely ***holes.

Yeah, I wasnt thinking we'd wait a year...just mentioning that Brown eventually gives in, so why not just let the guy take a promotion now? Complete *******

[CoachChaz]

On the other hand, it appears we'd have competition for Joseph now anyway with the offer SF has for him.

[TXBRONC]

I'm not worried about the difference between 3-4 vs 4-3. We play both throughout the games anyway. I doubt much would change.

The personnel will change some in front seven.

[Ziggy]

I'm still going to hold on to the thread of hope that Cincy releases Joseph

I'm ok with Joseph, but if he does well he'll be off to a head coaching gig within 2 years. Give me Wade and start building a defensive culture for the next 20 years like they did in Pittsburgh. Wade isn't getting another head coaching offer. 5 strikes and you're out. Let him put a great defensive system in place and draft players for that system every year.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

That hire wouldn't do much for me - especially since the entire staff seems to be made up of retreads. Also not sure how I'd feel about a move back to the 3-4 at this stage.

We haven't been running a real 4-3. We've been mostly running a 50, which is closer to a 3-4. I think it would be a pretty smooth transition, and a great way to get Trevathan and Marshall on the field at the same time.

[BroncoJoe]

The personnel will change some in front seven.

You mean like rotating guys in and out? Like I said, we basically run a hybrid anyway, switching between the 3-4 and 4-3.

[TXBRONC]

You mean like rotating guys in and out? Like I said, we basically run a hybrid anyway, switching between the 3-4 and 4-3.

No, like having more linebackers and less defensive linemen.

[BroncoJoe]

No, like having more linebackers and less defensive linemen.

We do that now.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

The starting 11 would be the same. Guys like Ware and Smith just become OLB instead of DE.

[Rick]

The starting 11 would be the same. Guys like Ware and Smith just become OLB instead of DE.

And Smith would be the only ? there as I am not sure he has ever played that position, some can't do it. Ware however HAS done that before so it would be no issue, and of course we know Von can.

[Lancane]

We seem to be producing a good number of decent linebackers. But the lighter defensive ends will be perfect for the 3-4, we use speed and coverage linebackers inside. Lighter defensive tackles and heavier defensive ends will fit well on the line and get some depth at nose.

[Joel]

We haven't been running a real 4-3. We've been mostly running a 50, which is closer to a 3-4. I think it would be a pretty smooth transition, and a great way to get Trevathan and Marshall on the field at the same time.
Great point; I'd rather use a 3-4 to get Trevathan and Marshall out there together than run nickel all the time, and it might get Jackson and Wolfe out there together as the DEs. I personally think it would just be a question of whether we have enough quality OLB depth behind Miller and Ware, and ILBs behind Trevathan and Marshall (especially since Marshall missed most of the seasons last month and Irving and Trevathan are on IR.) That, and the NT depth behind Knighton (whom I presume we'd re-sign if we went 3-4.) Both those issues are matters of depth quality rather than starters though.

It's important to note this isn't an oversimplified case of plugging in whoever has the right build, whether or not they can play the new position:

Knighton's a NTs NT, so nothing would change for him.
Ware and Miller were both elite 3-4 OLBs for several years earlier in their careers (even if Miller only did it in college.)
Our nickel already gave Wolfe much experience in a role very similar to a 3-4 DE, because he and Jackson combine size and power with speed and agility to stop the run AND rush the passer as 3-4 DEs must.
Trevathan and Marshall are huge parts of the D because solid against the run but phenomenal in coverage, exactly what 3-4 ILBs must be.

Much as I like the idea of Wolfe and Jackson simultaneously on the field, and Trevathan and Marshall doing the same, as they do in our nickel, shifting Williams from 4-3 UT to 3-4 DEwouldn't be a stretch either if he can't rotate with Knighton at NT (or we simply prefer Austn.) It's certainly valid to ask whether Quanterus Smith can be a 3-4 OLB (though as a 3rd down pass rushing specialist, his role wouldn't be much different unless we asked our OLBs to cover a lot) but the only odd man out I can see is Unrein, who kept making the roster as a journeyman who could play 4-3 DE or UT, but probably wouldn't work in a 3-4.

[broncofaninfla]

If Wades the guy, resigning Knighton becomes a must.

[Simple Jaded]

On the other hand, it appears we'd have competition for Joseph now anyway with the offer SF has for him.

Didn't SF hire Manginius as DC?

Btw, people, Koobs/Phillips' NT on their final Texans team was Earl Mitchell, 6-3/310, Phillips predominantly uses a 1-gap defense, I'm not as worried about that position if they lose Potroast as I would in other 3-4's. However, Potroast would be sick playing in that defense.

[TXBRONC]

Didn't SF hire Manginius as DC?

Btw, people, Koobs/Phillips' NT on their final Texans team was Earl Mitchell, 6-3/310, Phillips predominantly uses a 1-gap defense, I'm not as worried about that position if they lose Potroast as I would in other 3-4's. However, Potroast would be sick playing in that defense.

At any rate I'm ready for them to get the defensive staff in place.

I couldn't agree more Knighton would be terrific in a 3-4 defense.

[Simple Jaded]

At any rate I'm ready for them to get the defensive staff in place.

I couldn't agree more Knighton would terrific in a 3-4 defense.

To be honest with ya, due to recent developments I have begun to doubt my former stance on the Broncos adaptability to a 3-4 defense.

#arrogant****

[Buff]

Knighton arguably becomes our top FA target if we transition to a 3-4.

[chazoe60]

I think people make too big a deal about 3-4 vs. 4-3 nowadays. Everybody runs hybrid stuff most of the time anyway, especially us.

[Ziggy]

Knighton arguably becomes our top FA target if we transition to a 3-4.

If it's Wades defense....Sly is actually a better fit. In a 2 gapping 3-4 D, Pot Roast is the man.

[NightTerror218]

Get pot roast back and I think k we have good personnel for 3-4.

Lots of good 3-4 DEs.

LB. Miller will flourish at OLB pass rusher, have Marshall and Travathan on field at same time along with a guy like Irving.

Just add NT backups.

[Magnificent Seven]

Off the subject, Broncos will have an excellent defense if they are NOT INJURED from training camp, preseason games, and first 2 weeks of regular games. For last three seasons, Broncos defense was not full healthy.

[Joel]

To be honest with ya, due to recent developments I have begun to doubt my former stance on the Broncos adaptability to a 3-4 defense.

#arrogant****
Reversing a well supported detailed analysis just because of a personal grudge against someone who agrees with it is pathetically childish. We mix like oil and water (but didn't before debating a single issue 3 years ago, only ever since) yet it doesn't stop me saying you're right about something when I believe you are: Because arguments stand or fall on merit rather than author; attacking an arguments author rather than content is the literal definition of "ad hominem." If I said breathing's important, would you hold your breath till you turned blue? :rolleyes:

[Rick]

This won't end well...

[GEM]

:popcorn:

[CrazyHorse]

I think it's going to be Wade Phillips. We'll basically be the Texans but with a much more talented team. I'm okay with that.

[Rick]

:popcorn:

This one that another member, I think North, posted a while ago in another thread has ya beat.

http://www.cujet.com/assets/images/deer_eating_popcorn.gif

[BroncoJoe]

This one that another member, I think North, posted a while ago in another thread has ya beat.

http://www.cujet.com/assets/images/deer_eating_popcorn.gif

Classic.

[Dzone]

Huh? Wink Martindale is a candidate to be DC? Oh crap

[Simple Jaded]

Get pot roast back and I think k we have good personnel for 3-4.

Lots of good 3-4 DEs.

LB. Miller will flourish at OLB pass rusher, have Marshall and Travathan on field at same time along with a guy like Irving.

Just add NT backups.

Quit riding Joel's coat tails.

[Simple Jaded]

Huh? Wink Martindale is a candidate to be DC? Oh crap

I'm actually inclined to think that Martindale isn't the hack he was under McDaniels' "leadership" and to think that 2-3 years with the Ravens has really benefitted him. In fact, I doubt whatever system he ran for Doogie was actually what he'd call his system.

[TXBRONC]

Get pot roast back and I think k we have good personnel for 3-4.

Lots of good 3-4 DEs.

LB. Miller will flourish at OLB pass rusher, have Marshall and Travathan on field at same time along with a guy like Irving.

Just add NT backups.

Assuming for a moment that Denver switches to a base 3-4 One of those three will not be on the field (Trevathan, Marshall, and Irving) as long as we have Ware because definitely move back to being OLB opposite Miller.

[dogfish]

i will burn the whole gawd damn place down if they hire martindale!


:mad: :mad:

[drewloc]

I'm still going to hold on to the thread of hope that Cincy releases Joseph

Chaz, right now it looks as the only way to get Vance Joseph will be to give Cincinnati something in return. The fact O'Brien allowed Kollar to come to Denver without pulling the same crap is making Brown look like a bigger ***hat, but I don't think he cares.

They can't trade for a coordinator if I'm reading the anti tampering policy correctly. Except for head coaches or high level club employees, you are not permitted to exchange cash or draft choices for personnel under contract. So unless cincy outright releases Joseph or permits us to talk to him that is a no go.

[Lancane]

They can't trade for a coordinator if I'm reading the anti tampering policy correctly. Except for head coaches or high level club employees, you are not permitted to exchange cash or draft choices for personnel under contract. So unless cincy outright releases Joseph or permits us to talk to him that is a no go.

Thanks Drew, several of us speculated but were unsure. There have been reports of possible dealings for Joseph...but nothing concrete.

I doubt Brown caves, he is one of the crappiest owners in the league and really does not care of the public's opinion of him. So we'll simply have to move on instead of waiting and hoping. I just hope that Richard Smith is not who we move on to - I'd rather have them hire Martindale which is still questionable but he is a better defensive mind.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

NXTLVL.

That acronym must be the Broncos' aspiration in 2015.

Enough with the exasperation of 2011-12-13-14.

John Elway is determined to take the Broncos back to the past and ahead to "the next level."

Get that hackneyed "United In Orange" out of here. These six capital letters — NXTLVL — should be emblazoned on every piece of Broncos' gear and tattooed on the brains of every coach, player and fan.

Elway made a bold play — firing John Fox, then losing coordinators Jack Del Rio and Adam Gase. They have been replaced by former Broncos players and offensive coordinators Gary Kubiak and Rick Dennison. Now, a defensive coordinator.

Wade in, Broncos.

Wade Phillips has been the second-best defensive coordinator in Broncos history — Joe Collier was No. 1 — and must be brought back.

AND


Wade is the superior candidate — especially because he will be aided by at least two veteran, quality assistants he has worked with before — new defensive line coach Bill Kollar and linebackers coach Richard Smith. The Broncos also should hire players' choice Rod Woodson, a Hall of Fame cornerback-safety, to handle the secondary. He spent time with the Broncos in training camp this past season and was very impressive.

full article - http://www.denverpost.com/paige/ci_27387550/paige-wade-phillips-is-broncos-best-choice-defensive-coordinator

[Joel]

While I concur with Paiges analysis, are there any new indications it's likely to happen? Does Wade WANT to return to the team that fired him, then vindicated that decision with a pair of SB wins? Likewise, I'd love to see Alex Gibbs back, but he turns 74 in under a month; there's a reason he only took a (temporary) consultant job with the ancien regime.

[Ravage!!!]

Dick LeBeau is probably available.

[Ravage!!!]

I would love Wade and Rod Woodson... that would be pretty damned sweet.

[Joel]

Dick LeBeau is probably available.
That'd be scary, but if we brought in LeBeau and brought back Gibbs, I'd be worried whether our coaching staff would survive long enough to win a SB.


I would love Wade and Rod Woodson... that would be pretty damned sweet.
I like this far better if we can talk them into it, especially since the Bengals are being dogs in the manger with Kubiak/Wades old Texans secondary coach. For that matter, while Wade and Joseph took that D from worst to 2nd in a single season, and no part of it improved more than the secondary, they were STILL amazingly vulnerable to deep balls. Some of that was a 12-4 team putting many opponents in 2nd half holes that forced passes, Indy led them by 5 late in a 2012 game when a 70 yd TD on 3rd and 23 sealed the win, sending Indy to the playoffs and costing Houston the #1 seed.

Since our secondary already gives up 3rd and pack a lunch far too often for a unit where 3/4 starters are Pro Bowlers, there's plenty of room for Woodson to improve them with or without Wade OR Joseph.

[Rick]

They are skipping DC this year. They plan to score on every drive and figure on talent alone we will stop the other team on at least a few drives so they will just chance it. This way they wont have to worry about the DC leaving for a HC job next year.

[Lancane]

For those worried that Wade Phillips has hard feelings with Bowlen, no matter which direction he does choose this tweet this past Summer says a lot.



Wade Phillips @sonofbum · Jul 23
Pat Bowlen has great compassion for people-He hugged me and cried when he let me go in Denver. I have a hug and a tear for him right now

If Phillips chooses not to come to Denver, I understand. But he's such a class act and great coach that I'd be ecstatic to see him come back.

[GEM]

Someone else posted that Lebeau was going down to AZ as a consultant.

[TXBRONC]

For those worried that Wade Phillips has hard feelings with Bowlen, no matter which direction he does choose this tweet this past Summer says a lot.



If Phillips chooses not to come to Denver, I understand. But he's such a class act and great coach that I'd be ecstatic to see him come back.

He was never a good head coach but let him control the defense and a head coach has one less problem to worry about.

[VonDoom]

Legwold has an article on ESPN that says we're still holding out hope for Joseph, and that if the Bengals can find someone to replace him (he mentions Perry Fewell), then they might let him go.

[Rick]

Legwold has an article on ESPN that says we're still holding out hope for Joseph, and that if the Bengals can find someone to replace him (he mentions Perry Fewell), then they might let him go.

That is the only thing that makes sense, that we are still holding out for him. Otherwise it makes 0 sense we haven't picked from one of the other qualified unemployed options out there.

[TXBRONC]

Legwold has an article on ESPN that says we're still holding out hope for Joseph, and that if the Bengals can find someone to replace him (he mentions Perry Fewell), then they might let him go.

But how long do they wait?

I just got done reading the article it kind of sounded like hoping that Bengals would be interested in Perry Fewell.

[MileHighCrew]

Dick LeBeau won’t be joining Cardinals staff after all
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/25/dick-lebeau-wont-be-joining-cardinals-staff-after-all/

Could he land in Denver?

[spikerman]

I wonder why the Broncos are so enamored with Joseph.

[Rick]

Especially considering he is probably a year or 2 at most f if does well.

[tomjonesrocks]

Especially considering he is probably a year or 2 at most f if does well.

Right -- that point has been made on The Fan.

No one is going to bang down the door for Wade for HC. Very good 3-4 man, just looks like such an out-of-shape white-pasty putz on the sideline.

Fat old guys shouldn't wear Climalite. He's probably the best option, his substandard physical appearance aside.

[CoachChaz]

I wonder why the Broncos are so enamored with Joseph.

It's not just them. SF offered him a DC/Asst. HC position

[TXBRONC]

Right -- that point has been made on The Fan.

No one is going to bang down the door for Wade for HC. Very good 3-4 man, just looks like such an out-of-shape white-pasty putz on the sideline.

Fat old guys shouldn't wear Climalite. He's probably the best option, his substandard physical appearance aside.

Not everyone can look like Tom Jones.

[tomjonesrocks]

Not everyone can look like Tom Jones.

Understood. Not even Tom Jones tries to wear Climalite.

[TXBRONC]

Understood. Not even Tom Jones tries to wear Climalite.

Obviously not at his age.

[Ziggy]

They obviously can't talk to Joseph now. I wonder if Elway might consider bringing Wade on as a consultant, so we have the backup plan in place in case Joseph is not let go by the Bengals. If he is, Wade can stay on in a defensive assistant/consultant kind of role. If Joseph does a good job, he's probably gone in 2 years. Wade would be the DC waiting in the wings to keep the same system in place. Building a great defensive culture is usually done with coaching and front office continuity like they have in Pittsburgh and Baltimore. We have the front office stability in place. It's time to insert the coaching side of it.

[TXBRONC]

They obviously can't talk to Joseph now. I wonder if Elway might consider bringing Wade on as a consultant, so we have the backup plan in place in case Joseph is not let go by the Bengals. If he is, Wade can stay on in a defensive assistant/consultant kind of role. If Joseph does a good job, he's probably gone in 2 years. Wade would be the DC waiting in the wings to keep the same system in place. Building a great defensive culture is usually done with coaching and front office continuity like they have in Pittsburgh and Baltimore. We have the front office stability in place. It's time to insert the coaching side of it.

If they bring Phillips in it won't be as a consultant.

[Jsteve01]

We keep saying this and I even posted a thread on it but I despise the idea of the hot young candidate as a coordinator. Unless they've been in the building as Gase was, I really prefer the established vet coordinator who likely will never get a shot as a HC ala Fangio or Phillips. How many coordinators can this team afford to lose with a young qb and a new HC? We need continuity. We will have it on offense no matter who the coordinator is. Now with all the talent John brought in on defense, let's just put this baby to rest and get to pre draft stuff. One of the issues we've got now is evaluating talent because no one knows if we're transitioning to a traditional 3-4, a penetrating 3-4 or standing pat with our 4-3.

[dogfish]

i'm on board, steve. . . get the duke on the horn!

[Joel]

I wish they'd just hire Wade and be done with it. It's bad enough a team that fired him has two of his former players telling him he's their second choice to one of his former assistants; the longer that lasts, the more demeaning it gets. Probably the only reason he's not already someone elses DC is that he's holding out for the top job.

[Simple Jaded]

Look on bright side, the Broncos used to go thru DCs cause sucked or fell on the sword, lately they've losing DCs cause they're actually good.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

GLENDALE, Ariz. — The Broncos hope to have a resolution early this week as to whether they can interview Vance Joseph for their defensive coordinator position.

Joseph just finished his first season as the defensive backs coach for the Cincinnati Bengals. He has a strong allegiance with Broncos head coach Gary Kubiak, who would like to hire Joseph as the team's new defensive coordinator.

Joseph, 42, is a former University of Colorado backup quarterback who just finished his 10th year as an NFL defensive backs coach. He was on Kubiak's staff with the Houston Texans from 2011-13.

AND


If the Bengals won't budge, the Broncos are expected to fill their defensive coordinator position this week with either former defensive coordinator and head coach Wade Phillips, former Atlanta Falcons head coach Mike Smith or current linebackers coach Richard Smith.

full article - http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_27392993/end-joseph-issue-horizon

[Buff]

Man, I really hope the Bengals relent on Joseph. Such an underwhelming pool of options after that. I guess I'd prefer Wade to the guy Kubiak previously fired or the moronic Falcons ex-coach... But I don't like the idea of having a ~70 year old d-coordinator, and I'm pretty sure that makes me an ageist.

[TXBRONC]

Man, I really hope the Bengals relent on Joseph. Such an underwhelming pool of options after that. I guess I'd prefer Wade to the guy Kubiak previously fired or the moronic Falcons ex-coach... But I don't like the idea of having a ~70 year old d-coordinator, and I'm pretty sure that makes me an ageist.

Phillips as a head coaching candidate is underwhelming but as a defensive coordinator he's an excellent candidate.

[Rick]

Phillips has had success every where he has been(as DC). I would prefer Schwartz myself, but I can feel good about Phillips.

[Buff]

Phillips as head coaching is underwhelming but as a defensive coordinator he's an excellent candidate.

It might be totally irrational - but I just worry about the ability of a 68 year old coach to relate to the guys. I worry about our defense being a little reflective of a mild mannered 70 year old. I know he's a brilliant defensive coach, but I'd feel a lot better if he were a consultant like Alex Gibbs with someone a little bit younger as the day-to-day guy.

I'm pretty sure that's a non-PC viewpoint that is based on nothing all that intelligent.

[Lancane]

Too much being made about his age. What's important is that he is proven, has shown continuous success unlike the other candidates and he still has emotional ties to the Broncos. Joseph will be a two year hire then likely off as a Head Coach, Mike Smith would be much the same and Richard Smith will be out of a job within that same time frame. Phillips is the safe hire of the group IMHO, despite being 70 years young.

[TXBRONC]

It might be totally irrational - but I just worry about the ability of a 68 year old coach to relate to the guys. I worry about our defense being a little reflective of a mild mannered 70 year old. I know he's a brilliant defensive coach, but I'd feel a lot better if he were a consultant like Alex Gibbs with someone a little bit younger as the day-to-day guy.

I'm pretty sure that's a non-PC viewpoint that is based on nothing all that intelligent.

Dick Labeau had to be past the age of 68 when Steelers won their two Super Bowls.

[BroncoJoe]

Too much being made about his age. What's important is that he is proven, has shown continuous success unlike the other candidates and he still has emotional ties to the Broncos. Joseph will be a two year hire then likely off as a Head Coach, Mike Smith would be much the same and Richard Smith will be out of a job within that same time frame. Phillips is the safe hire of the group IMHO, despite being 70 years young.

Actually, too much being made about how long it's taking. I'd rather they take their time and get who they want.

[Ziggy]

AND



full article - http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_27392993/end-joseph-issue-horizon

Mike Smith did a phenomenal job down in Jacksonville. While he was defensive coordinator down there, here's how they finished in points allowed:
2003- 22nd
2004- 18th
2005- 8th
2006- 5th
2007- 7th

That was the big 4-3 defenses they ran with Stroud and Henderson in the middle. He's really the first legitimate 4-3 coordinator that we've heard about them talking to.

[Ziggy]

It doesn't look good for the Bengals to get Fewell.


Jordan Raanan of NJ.com reports that Fewell is interviewing for the defensive backs job on the staff of new coordinator Joe Barry. Raheem Morris had been in that role, but he’s reportedly agreed to a job in Atlanta. Fewell was a defensive backs coach before making the move to coordinator with the Bills in 2006.

Fewell also interviewed for a job on the 49ers staff and John Keim of ESPN.com reports that he’s making the trip to Washington with an offer from the team in his pocket. It would appear, then, that Fewell will be on someone’s staff come the start of next season.


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/26/perry-fewell-on-to-washington-in-search-for-new-job/


Wade Phillips......come on down!

[Denver Native (Carol)]

In Klis' article, he also mentioned Richard Smith as a possibility for DC - that is now out


Mike Klis @MikeKlis · 52m

Broncos LB coach Richard Smith has taken senior defensive position with Atlanta Falcons. http://Denverpost.com/broncos

[Slick]

In Klis' article, he also mentioned Richard Smith as a possibility for DC - that is now out


Mike Klis @MikeKlis · 52m

Broncos LB coach Richard Smith has taken senior defensive position with Atlanta Falcons. http://Denverpost.com/broncos

Great news!

[Lancane]

Richard Smith is going to Atlanta according to Albert Breer where he'll be the Defensive Coordinator under Assistant Head Coach, Raheem Morris.

So we need a new Linebacker's Coach and one of the Candidates for Defensive Coordinator is off the list.

Hopefully Kubiak quits wasting time on Joseph and gets Phillips before he ends up elsewhere or has no interest.

[Joel]

It might be totally irrational - but I just worry about the ability of a 68 year old coach to relate to the guys. I worry about our defense being a little reflective of a mild mannered 70 year old. I know he's a brilliant defensive coach, but I'd feel a lot better if he were a consultant like Alex Gibbs with someone a little bit younger as the day-to-day guy.

I'm pretty sure that's a non-PC viewpoint that is based on nothing all that intelligent.
For what it's worth, Wades dad only passed away just last year. I'm sure he'd be fine, heaven willing, and our D would be stellar with all its talent and someone who knows what to do with it.

[TXBRONC]

In Klis' article, he also mentioned Richard Smith as a possibility for DC - that is now out


Mike Klis @MikeKlis · 52m

Broncos LB coach Richard Smith has taken senior defensive position with Atlanta Falcons. http://Denverpost.com/broncos

Well that sure narrows the field.

[Rick]

Good news. I had no issues with Smith as a position guy, our LBs played great. However, as a DC, if my issue with Joseph is he hasn't proven himself as a DC yet so I am leery there, Smith has proven himself...by getting fired.

I realize Wade has been fired as well but I do not believe for lack of production.

[VonDoom]

I don't think this was mentioned yet:

Andrew Mason ‏@MaseDenver 36m36 minutes ago Denver, CO

.@Broncos agree to terms with Reggie Herring as LBs coach. Herring has 34 seasons of experience, including 10 in NFL w/ CHI, HOU and DAL.

MileHighReport ‏@MileHighReport 24m24 minutes ago

New #Broncos LB coach Reggie Herring has been a coach twice under Wade Phillips (#Texans, #Cowboys). A precursor to Phillips as DC?

And while we're at it:

Andrew Mason ‏@MaseDenver 30m30 minutes ago Denver, CO

Staff falling into place now. Eric Studesville officially back to coach RBs; Tyke Tolbert will remain WRs coach & Clancy Barone moves to OL.

[Timmy!]

Wade as DC would be very good for us.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Vic Lombardi @VicLombardi · 3h

Can't be too surprised about Richard Smith leaving to Atlanta. He did lose his DC job in Houston under Kubiak's watch. So there's that.

[Ziggy]

ESPN Denver ‏@ESPN_Denver 21m21 minutes ago
Per our own @CecilLammey- w/Vance Joseph unable to get out of his contract, #Broncos LB Coach Richard Smith is favorite to become new DC.

Another swing and a miss by Lammey. Has that guy ever gotten any inside info that was right in Denver?

[TXBRONC]

Another swing and a miss by Lammey. Has that guy ever gotten any inside info that was right in Denver?

That doesn't mean he was or wasn't one of the favorites.

[VonDoom]

That doesn't mean he was or wasn't one of the favorites.

That would have been true yesterday but it was reported that Smith took the Atlanta job today.

[TXBRONC]

That would have been true yesterday but it was reported that Smith took the Atlanta job today.

Ziggy said that Cecil Lammey swung and missed because Smith took the job in Atlanta. I was saying up until that point he might have been one of the favorites. He was then Lammey did swing and miss.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Isn't it a little unusual to hire all of the position coaches before the coordinator. Unless they're waiting to announce someone, I wonder....wouldn't a coordinator want a little input on his position coaches?

[Buff]

Isn't it a little unusual to hire all of the position coaches before the coordinator. Unless they're waiting to announce someone, I wonder....wouldn't a coordinator want a little input on his position coaches?

The short answer to your question is yes, it is a little unusual - so reading between the lines we can assume the Broncos know it will be one of a handful of candidates. They wouldn't be hiring assistants if it were still a totally open search. They must know that these guys will be able to work with the potential DC.

[spikerman]

I think they believe they're going to get Joseph.

[Buff]

I think they believe they're going to get Joseph.

I hope so... I don't like plans B or C.

[TXBRONC]

I think they believe they're going to get Joseph.

Given that they waited this long I would guess they do but Mike Brown from what I've heard is pretty stubborn.

[VonDoom]

Ziggy said that Cecil Lammey swung and missed because Smith took the job in Atlanta. I was saying up until that point he might have been one of the favorites. He was then Lammey did swing and miss.

Sorry, I got confused on the timeline, and thought that Lammey was still currently saying that Smith was a favorite. I realized later that it was an old Tweet brought up to prove a point. Never mind me.

[Simple Jaded]

Speaking of Cecil Lamme did you guys know he watches coaches film? True story, I know this cause he mentions this about every five minutes.

Btw, he discovered Julius Thomas. :rolleyes:

[Ziggy]

Isn't it a little unusual to hire all of the position coaches before the coordinator. Unless they're waiting to announce someone, I wonder....wouldn't a coordinator want a little input on his position coaches?

I think that both Vance and Wade have worked with the guys they've hired on defense so far. Further evidence that it's going to be one of the two. Of course, that may just be me trying to justify it in my mind.

[TXBRONC]

Speaking of Cecil Lamme did you guys know he watches coaches film? True story, I know this cause he mentions this about every five minutes.

Btw, he discovered Julius Thomas. :rolleyes:

I would rather listen Cecil Lammey than Mark Kiszla.

[Simple Jaded]

I would rather listen Cecil Lammey than Mark Kiszla.

Don't get me wrong I like Lamme, I just get sick of hearing his resume every day.

You want some cheap entertainment (<--sp, whatever)? Call him about some obscure prospect that you saw on YouTube, and then wait.

[underrated29]

Don't get me wrong I like Lamme, I just get sick of hearing his resume every day.

You want some cheap entertainment (<--sp, whatever)? Call him about some obscure prospect that you saw on YouTube, and then wait.



Jeremiah johnson

[Jsteve01]

Johnson did run well, UR, similar to CJ he would have a very strong camp and preseason. His issues were he was a sieve in pass pro and he couldn't ever stay healthy going back to his days as a duck

[VonDoom]

Ed Werder ‏@Edwerderespn 28m28 minutes ago

Wade Phillips is in Denver to interview for #Broncos defensive coordinator. John Elway and Gary Kubiak played for him when he was DEN HC

Alex Marvez ‏@alexmarvez 10m10 minutes ago

Potential @Broncos DC scenario: Wade Phillips gets job for '15, moves to senior asst role in '16 when Vance Joseph free of @Bengals contract

[TXBRONC]

Ed Werder ‏@Edwerderespn 28m28 minutes ago

Wade Phillips is in Denver to interview for #Broncos defensive coordinator. John Elway and Gary Kubiak played for him when he was DEN HC

Alex Marvez ‏@alexmarvez 10m10 minutes ago

Potential @Broncos DC scenario: Wade Phillips gets job for '15, moves to senior asst role in '16 when Vance Joseph free of @Bengals contract

It sounds great but a lot will happen between now and the start 2016 season.

[underrated29]

Johnson did run well, UR, similar to CJ he would have a very strong camp and preseason. His issues were he was a sieve in pass pro and he couldn't ever stay healthy going back to his days as a duck




Oh I know. I was backing him up. Lammy loved him some JJ. He would pimp him up and say the other RBs looked meh compared to him.

[VonDoom]

It sounds great but a lot will happen between now and the start 2016 season.

Yeah, I think this is speculation at this point but it tells me how much they like Joseph

[Buff]

Ed Werder ‏@Edwerderespn 28m28 minutes ago

Wade Phillips is in Denver to interview for #Broncos defensive coordinator. John Elway and Gary Kubiak played for him when he was DEN HC

Alex Marvez ‏@alexmarvez 10m10 minutes ago

Potential @Broncos DC scenario: Wade Phillips gets job for '15, moves to senior asst role in '16 when Vance Joseph free of @Bengals contract

Now that would be the ideal scenario - we still get our up and comer with Colorado ties, along with the old stalwart.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Hire the man

[Lancane]

Wade Phillips loves the game, I have a hard time believing that he'll be alright with going from coaching to a consultant role in a year and anyone, and I mean anyone who understands and knows him and his family knows this. The only way I could see it happening is if he is made the Assistant Head Coach.

[TXBRONC]

Wade Phillips loves the game, I have a hard time believing that he'll be alright with going from coaching to a consultant role in a year and anyone, and I mean anyone who understands and knows him and his family knows this. The only way I could see it happening is if he is made the Assistant Head Coach.

That's the only way I could see that happening but it doesn't seem likely.

[Rick]

We can worry about if someone takes over for Wade and if Wade gets a promotion in a year, for now hire the man and let's get to work on that D!

[TXBRONC]

We can worry about if someone takes over for Wade and if Wade gets a promotion in a year, for now hire the man and let's get to work on that D!

Agreed. :salute:

[Jsteve01]

Ed Werder ‏@Edwerderespn 28m28 minutes ago

Wade Phillips is in Denver to interview for #Broncos defensive coordinator. John Elway and Gary Kubiak played for him when he was DEN HC

Alex Marvez ‏@alexmarvez 10m10 minutes ago

Potential @Broncos DC scenario: Wade Phillips gets job for '15, moves to senior asst role in '16 when Vance Joseph free of @Bengals contract this scenario is ludicrous.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

this scenario is ludicrous.

Yeah, unless he has some juicy inside information it is pretty wild as far as speculation goes.

[Ziggy]

This would be a great hire. Let's put that 3-4 in place and start drafting specifically for that system for the next decade. 3-4 years from now the Broncos will be known as a defensive team with an offense to match. Can't wait to start a new culture around here.

[Lancane]

I'm sort of sick of hearing about Joseph and how the team is hung up on him. I get that they think highly of him and that he's a hot up and comer in league circles but he is far from the only one - I'd rather they hired Phillips and began focusing on players and playbooks then continue to wait and see. Also, the reports like the one above is why Denver had candidates for Head Coach dropping out of contention, no one likes hearing they may be second on someone's damn list - it's rather classless to boot.

[Buff]

I'm sort of sick of hearing about Joseph and how the team is hung up on him. I get that they think highly of him and that he's a hot up and comer in league circles but he is far from the only one - I'd rather they hired Phillips and began focusing on players and playbooks then continue to wait and see. Also, the reports like the one above is why Denver had candidates for Head Coach dropping out of contention, no one likes hearing they may be second on someone's damn list - it's rather classless to boot.

I personally am annoyed that everyone is enamored with a 70 year old retread. But hopefully I'm wrong.

[CoachChaz]

I personally am annoyed that everyone is enamored with a 70 year old retread. But hopefully I'm wrong.

That just happens to continually have successful defenses.

[TXBRONC]

I personally am annoyed that everyone is enamored with a 70 year old retread. But hopefully I'm wrong.

I can't think of anyone whose available that would have a better resume.

[CoachChaz]

I can't think of anyone whose available that would have a better resume.

Not since LeBeau decided to go to Tennessee

[underrated29]

Im really hoping for wade too.


Plus, with wade we wouldnt have to worry about getting a New DC in a few years once Vance is hired for HC. Also, why I like the schwartz. Hes a douche and a half and no one wants that for a HC, yet. He could be here for a long while which is what I believe to be the best.

[Ziggy]

I personally am annoyed that everyone is enamored with a 70 year old retread. But hopefully I'm wrong.

He's a great defensive coordinator. The guy uses and aggressive 3-4 one gap system that attacks offenses aggressively. As far as his age goes, Lebeau won a championship as a defensive coordinator at the age of 69. Wade is 67, but I could care less how old Wade is. The man knows how to build a defensive scheme and game plan.

[CoachChaz]

Im really hoping for wade too.


Plus, with wade we wouldnt have to worry about getting a New DC in a few years once Vance is hired for HC. Also, why I like the schwartz. Hes a douche and a half and no one wants that for a HC, yet. He could be here for a long while which is what I believe to be the best.

And here I thought people were tired of watching a Del Rio defense that only rushed the front 4. Because that pretty much sums up a Schwartz defense as well

[Joel]

This would be a great hire. Let's put that 3-4 in place and start drafting specifically for that system for the next decade. 3-4 years from now the Broncos will be known as a defensive team with an offense to match. Can't wait to start a new culture around here.
I've been thinking for a while the post-Manning Broncos will be a defensive team; our recent drafts and FA acquisitions certainly support that. I wanna say it was Legwold (can't recall who noted in revising our draft grade for ESPN that every DEFENSIVE player we drafted last year got extensive playing time but NONE of the offensive ones did. Maybe that's just luck of the draw, since we did spend some high picks on offensive players, but however it worked out, we've added far more talent on defense than offense (with the obvious notable exception of Manning, who'll be gone soon.)

[G_Money]

This is weird. Back after 2010, when Kubes was gonna get fired by the Texans and didn't (before he hired Phillips) I wanted Kubiak and Wade to return together. Both guys looked to be available. Instead, Kubiak was retained by the Texans, HE hired Wade, we hired McDaniels, and history was made.

It's weird to me to be importing so many of the same pieces that Kubiak failed with in Houston, but as individual pieces each one is hard to argue with. I have very few qualms with Phillips as DC, even as just a place-holder. His units are always stout, and stout is all we need with a high-powered offense... right? We have PLENTY of talent on defense - Wade doesn't have to camouflage the lack of it, just get the most out of it. Something the previous regime didn't seem to do.

Fingers crossed.

[underrated29]

And here I thought people were tired of watching a Del Rio defense that only rushed the front 4. Because that pretty much sums up a Schwartz defense as well




You dont say?

Well, new avy on the way then.

[Joel]

And here I thought people were tired of watching a Del Rio defense that only rushed the front 4. Because that pretty much sums up a Schwartz defense as well
To be fair, with Ware, Knighton and Wolfe/Jackson up front, we SHOULD be able to get consistent pressure with just our front four, especially when we add Miller in nickel packages. The Giants won a pair of SBs pressuring Brady (and lots of people) with just four, and Seattle won a SB against us doing the same to Manning while all their LBs dropped into short zones to cutoff the quick hits so they're safeties could run that deep Cover 3 they love so much. The question is where our double-digit sackmasters went the last couple months of the season; if Del Rio could answer that, he might still be in Denver.

[Lancane]

To be fair, with Ware, Knighton and Wolfe/Jackson up front, we SHOULD be able to get consistent pressure with just our front four, especially when we add Miller in nickel packages. The Giants won a pair of SBs pressuring Brady (and lots of people) with just four, and Seattle won a SB against us doing the same to Manning while all their LBs dropped into short zones to cutoff the quick hits so they're safeties could run that deep Cover 3 they love so much. The question is where our double-digit sackmasters went the last couple months of the season; if Del Rio could answer that, he might still be in Denver.

I agree with part of your assessment, but truth about Del Rio Joel is that he wanted to be the Head Coach of the Raiders and in no way would he still be here - like Kubiak here that was/is Del Rio's dream job.

[Joel]

I agree with part of your assessment, but truth about Del Rio Joel is that he wanted to be the Head Coach of the Raiders and in no way would he still be here - like Kubiak here that was/is Del Rio's dream job.
True, he almost certainly quits regardless, but wouldn't have been fired. That working for the Davis family and coaching their perennial bottom feeders is his dream job speaks poorly of his judgement.

[underrated29]

ssounds like wade is our guy. I am quite happy about this.

[tomjonesrocks]

ssounds like wade is our guy. I am quite happy about this.

It's not a bad hire, I just wished there was a little more variance from a full "getting the Texans band together" which didn't really win a whole lot in the end.

Still might work but...

[Rick]

I think the Texans band worked out alright in the end, at least 2012. Problem was in 2013, Shaub went to shit and injuries to Foster. The defense was still good but the offense was pretty bad.

[broncofaninfla]

Wade has been great everywhere he has been the DC, I'd be very cool with this hire.

[G_Money]

I don't need Wade to be the greatest coordinator in the history of the league. I need him to be able to consistently hold down the offenses we face so that we don't have to get into a score-fest all the time to win - and that's his coaching skillset. I want our offense to be able to comfortably win with their B-Game - so that when we run into a defense like NE or SEA we can still win with a C-Level performance, if they can keep us to that.

We have plenty of talent - just want Wade to get more out of it than Del Rio and Fox did.

[underrated29]

It's not a bad hire, I just wished there was a little more variance from a full "getting the Texans band together" which didn't really win a whole lot in the end.

Still might work but...



I can see your side but I dont necessarily agree with it. Our team has all the talent. It is freaking stacked to near the damn limit. Elway has done one of the best jobs ever. We went from the Tebow team to imo the most talented team in the entire league in 3 years. That is unbelievable. Our problem was coaching. We were predictable on offense, stagnant and could hardly score points the 2nd half of the season. Our guys played like they did not care and our defense seemed to be the same every week.

The Texans (to me as I didnt follow them that much) seemed to have a talent problem. While their defense was one of the best a few years ago they were just ok on offense. But they seemed ( I hope) to play hard. Sure, they may not have worked out but they didnt have the talent we did.

So to me their past history should not be an issue. They have the talent now to be a boss. Now if you are wondering about them drafting and acquiring talent for the future I could get behind that, but......we have Elway to keep that from happening.

[Ravage!!!]

I don't need Wade to be the greatest coordinator in the history of the league. I need him to be able to consistently hold down the offenses we face so that we don't have to get into a score-fest all the time to win - and that's his coaching skillset. I want our offense to be able to comfortably win with their B-Game - so that when we run into a defense like NE or SEA we can still win with a C-Level performance, if they can keep us to that.

We have plenty of talent - just want Wade to get more out of it than Del Rio and Fox did.

Well said. I personally don't NEED to have a generational defense. GIve me a top 10 defense.

I'll be honest though, I believe our defense was good enough last year to win it, and I believe it was good enough this year to win it. It was our offense (ironically) that failed in both.

But I would love Wade to be the man.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Vic Lombardi @VicLombardi · 57m

I'm looking at Wade Phillips' coaching resume. Holy crap, he has coordinated a ton of defenses. And a winning record (83-66) as head coach.

[Joel]

I can see your side but I dont necessarily agree with it. Our team has all the talent. It is freaking stacked to near the damn limit. Elway has done one of the best jobs ever. We went from the Tebow team to imo the most talented team in the entire league in 3 years. That is unbelievable. Our problem was coaching. We were predictable on offense, stagnant and could hardly score points the 2nd half of the season. Our guys played like they did not care and our defense seemed to be the same every week.

The Texans (to me as I didnt follow them that much) seemed to have a talent problem. While their defense was one of the best a few years ago they were just ok on offense. But they seemed ( I hope) to play hard. Sure, they may not have worked out but they didnt have the talent we did.

So to me their past history should not be an issue. They have the talent now to be a boss. Now if you are wondering about them drafting and acquiring talent for the future I could get behind that, but......we have Elway to keep that from happening.
I still contend Houstons problem was Schaub, compounded by Foster and Daniels going to IR that one awful year that got Kubes fired: They didn't have an "offense" after that, it was back to just Andre Johnson trying to score 30 pts by himself, only he had an imploding Matt Schaub passing the ball instead of an imploding David Carr. But however much age may or may not have caught up with him, Peyton Manning is NOT Matt Schaub. I said in 2011 Houston was the ideal place for him because he was all they were missing from a championship roster; we all took a weird road to get there, but here we are.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Legwold has an article on ESPN that says we're still holding out hope for Joseph, and that if the Bengals can find someone to replace him (he mentions Perry Fewell), then they might let him go.


Ex-Giants DC jumps to Redskins
The Washington Redskins added another piece to their defensive staff, hiring former New York Giants defensive coordinator Perry Fewell as their secondary coach, the team announced Tuesday.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12237594/washington-redskins-hire-perry-fewell-secondary-coach

[underrated29]

I still contend Houstons problem was Schaub, compounded by Foster and Daniels going to IR that one awful year that got Kubes fired: They didn't have an "offense" after that, it was back to just Andre Johnson trying to score 30 pts by himself, only he had an imploding Matt Schaub passing the ball instead of an imploding David Carr. But however much age may or may not have caught up with him, Peyton Manning is NOT Matt Schaub. I said in 2011 Houston was the ideal place for him because he was all they were missing from a championship roster; we all took a weird road to get there, but here we are.

Don't know about manning but yes. Unless a team has an elite defense, it's near impossible to win it all without an elite qb.

Houston had a very good defense but not elite. Schaub also is not close to elite.

[Joel]

Don't know about manning but yes. Unless a team has an elite defense, it's near impossible to win it all without an elite qb.

Houston had a very good defense but not elite. Schaub also is not close to elite.
They were pretty close to elite; the only weakness (and it was a big one) was a habit of winning the first two downs only to give up a huge pass on 3rd and long, which I slightly worry would be a problem for us under Wade or Joseph, not least because we did that a lot last year without them. But with their offensive line, Foster, Johnson, Daniels and Walter, it would've been enough with even an average QB.

Schaub's not that: He's a game manager, and only that if everything's going right; in a close game where everyone else is struggling, he can't put the team on his back and win, and I know that because of how many times I watched him try and fail in Houston even before his disastrous 2013 campaign. Again I cite the 2011 Raiders game where they drove down inside the 10, trailing by 5 at the end of regulation, and Schaub rolled out, saw everyone covered but a clear path to the end zone, took a step, stopped and re-checked receivers, took another, saw the safety notice and move up, then threw a pick as time expired.

No WAY Manning does that; if nothing else, if he sees everyone covered with just 4-5 seconds left on 2nd and G at the 5, he'll throw it away and find another play.

[Simple Jaded]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12237594/washington-redskins-hire-perry-fewell-secondary-coach

Of course Fewell took the Redskins job, it's not a great job but would you take that job or go to work for a team that holds you hostage?

The Bengals should talk with LeBeau, his wife lives in the Cincinati area and he wants to stay close.

[Lancane]

Of course Fewell took the Redskins job, it's not a great job but would you take that job or go to work for a team that holds you hostage?

The Bengals should talk with LeBeau, his wife lives in the Cincinati area and he wants to stay close.

I don't see LeBeau going to another team within the same division; he's been a Steeler for so long that doing that would make him feel small inside.

[CoachChaz]

Of course Fewell took the Redskins job, it's not a great job but would you take that job or go to work for a team that holds you hostage?

The Bengals should talk with LeBeau, his wife lives in the Cincinati area and he wants to stay close.

Which is why he decided to join Tennessee 2 days ago

[Ravage!!!]

I don't see LeBeau going to another team within the same conference; he's been a Steeler for so long that doing that would make him feel small inside.

I think you mean the same division.

[Slick]

Which is why he decided to join Tennessee 2 days ago

I thought he was going to Arizona to be a consultant. Huh. Missed the Tennessee news.

[spikerman]

I thought he was going to Arizona to be a consultant. Huh. Missed the Tennessee news.

Well, Mexican news is a day or two behind. :D