Fox and Denver parting ways per Schefter

[broncofaninfla]

Just saw it on Twitter

[Hardwired]

According to Schefter and Glazer.

And Peter King says not to automatically assume Gase will be HC.

[Bronco9798]

Just read it.

[broncofaninfla]

@AdamSchefter: John Fox and Broncos mutually agreed to part ways.

[Bronco9798]

Just came across my phone on a breaking news thing.

[sneakers]

wew

[sneakers]

wew

[sneakers]

wew

[Buff]

Black Monday is upon us brothers.

[Pudge]

Holy shit. I was hoping but I didn't think it would happen

[Buff]

NTL better get his ass in here and merge these threads!

[wayninja]

PHQLQ1Rc_Js

[Bronco9798]

I saw that..lol

[VonDoom]

Mutually? Hahahahaha ...

This is the right move, though. We need fresh blood.

[Pudge]

Can't find anything confirming

[tripp]

It had to happen. I'm not sure many people are going to miss him.

[Jsteve01]

Not surprised. Elway is ruthless

[spikerman]

I like Fox, I really do, but I think Elway saw what the rest of us did... two uninspired performances in two of the most important games. I think the Broncos need a culture change. I see teams like the Seahawks flying around and hi-fiving each other and having fun on the field and the Broncos look like they're holding a business meeting. They need someone to get them to want to be there.

[BroncoJoe]

Not surprised. Elway is ruthless

Ruthless pursuit of a championship!

[BroncoJoe]

I like Fox, I really do, but I think Elway saw what the rest of us did... two uninspired performances in two of the most important games. I think the Broncos need a culture change. I see teams like the Seahawks flying around and hi-fiving each other and having fun on the field and the Broncos look like they're holding a business meeting. They need someone to get them to want to be there.

That eliminates Kubiak -

[Hardwired]

Chris Mortensen @mortreport 1m1 minute ago
The "mutual;" parting of the ways between John Fox and Broncos is just the first of many changes in @Broncos

[TXBRONC]

I bet Elway makes a request of the Ravens to interview Kubiak.

[Bronco9798]

That eliminates Kubiak -

Looks like Gase has a new job. You think ?

[tripp]

The team is the reflection of the coach, and we looked just that. Boring.

Pete Carroll flying down the sidelines? So were the Seahawks. Belichick swearing 24/7, so was Brady. Jim Harbaugh being mental, so was his team.

[Bronco9798]

I wonder if Gase gets the HC job now.

[GEM]

Holy shit! Wow...now that takes so,me kahunas. Bet that is an indication that Manning won't be back.

Dave Logan said he talked to Elway before the game, he asked what would happen if we lost, Elway answered Heads will roll and there will be hell to pay!

Just wow!

[Tned]

I'll say that I am surprised. I really didn't think Elway would do it. I think it was probably a good move. While I think Fox did a lot good, he's too conservative in many areas.

[sneakers]

Who they gonna bring in? Kubiak would be my guess given his relationship with the broncos and elway

[Bronco9798]

Peyton may want Gase to stick around as HC?

[I Eat Staples]

I'm very happy about this decision, but that completely changes if Gase becomes the head coach. I will lose all faith in this front office if they make that scrub the head coach.

[DenBronx]

Elway has a hard on for Gase. Not sure why.

[wayninja]

I just heard this, think I'm gonna start a thread about it. Something fresh like Broncs and Foxy agree to part ways. Something like that.

[VonDoom]

Peyton may want Gase to stick around as HC?

I hope not

[tripp]

Looks like Gase has a new job. You think ?

Gase's play calling this year has left a bad taste in my mouth. I thought he was the be all end all at the end of last year, not any more.


Wouldn't be totally surprised if you see a complete overhaul of the coaching staff. Keep Eric Studesville!

[chazoe60]

Todd Bowels please

[Jsteve01]

Not surprised. Elway is ruthless

Ruthless pursuit of a championship! yup it wasn't meant negatively

[Bronco9798]

Todd Bowels please

Falcons. My guess

[tripp]

Todd Bowels please

Love it.

[tripp]

Sexy Rexy would've been nice if he didn't go to Buffalo.

[spikerman]

If the Broncos were to hire Gase do they still have to abide by the Rooney Rule?

[Jsteve01]

Todd Bowels please yeah

[NightTrainLayne]

Man. .. . just as Dread was re-selling me on Fox. This is the bad feeling I had last night after the game. Lots of changes in store for the team.

[Buff]

If the Broncos were to hire Gase do they still have to abide by the Rooney Rule?

Yes. We'd probably just do the token Studesville interview if we wanted to promote Gase or Del Rio.

[VonDoom]

What about Quinn from Seattle? If you can't beat 'em, hire 'em?

[Northman]

Good.

[turftoad]

Hah, get ready for the Mike Shanahan interview. He still lives in Denver,

[spikerman]

Man. .. . just as Dread was re-selling me on Fox. This is the bad feeling I had last night after the game. Lots of changes in store for the team.
Well, at least the offseason won't be boring.

[Buff]

Man. .. . just as Dread was re-selling me on Fox. This is the bad feeling I had last night after the game. Lots of changes in store for the team.

Fox was just the right guy at the right time... Stabilized our whole operation and he will always have my respect. But now we need fresh eyes to take us to the next level.

[BigDaddyBronco]

I like Fox, I really do, but I think Elway saw what the rest of us did... two uninspired performances in two of the most important games. I think the Broncos need a culture change. I see teams like the Seahawks flying around and hi-fiving each other and having fun on the field and the Broncos look like they're holding a business meeting. They need someone to get them to want to be there.

Part of that is also Manning. I have to play well or Peyton will be pissed.

[Northman]

That eliminates Kubiak -

Looks like Gase has a new job. You think ?

Elsewhere I hope.

[GEM]

Well, I thank Fox for the stability he brought when he came in after the bullshit that was McDouche. It was a change that needed to happen, but I wish him all the best and thank him for what he's done.

[BroncoJoe]

I think it means Peyton is done.

This is a forum, people expressing opinions, which the above is.

[MOtorboat]

I think Manning might be done. Gut feeling from this.

[tripp]

I think it means Peyton is done.

This is a forum, people expressing opinions, which the above is.

Starting to think that way. If Gase goes, I can't see Peyton staying here.

[Northman]

I'll say that I am surprised. I really didn't think Elway would do it. I think it was probably a good move. While I think Fox did a lot good, he's too conservative in many areas.

I saw Fox mainly as way to stabilize the franchise. Now we can move forward.

[Joel]

I'm very happy about this decision, but that completely changes if Gase becomes the head coach. I will lose all faith in this front office if they make that scrub the head coach.
Yeah, but that's hard for me to imagine. So is Manning bailing if Gase isn't around; that would only help his game, IMHO, and he probably knows it.

This is still a year, if not two, too late to save Mannings career though; I just can't see the whole team getting in synch with any new coach by this time next year, nor Manning starting and playing well at 40.

[TXBRONC]

I think it means Peyton is done.

This is a forum, people expressing opinions, which the above is.


I think Manning might be done. Gut feeling from this.

It wouldn't surprise me.

[weazel]

bring in Ditka!
http://cdn.postgradproblems.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/6d1946bb5bf6b0fd597e7165a93cb5a2.jpg

[Buff]

I think Manning might be done. Gut feeling from this.

If Gase takes a HC job elsewhere, I'd say it's a done deal that Manning doesn't return. If we promote him, then I suddenly feel confident that Manning returns.

[Bronco9798]

If Gase takes a HC job elsewhere, I'd say it's a done deal that Manning doesn't return. If we promote him, then I suddenly feel confident that Manning returns.

That's what I think. But, I'm going to quit thinking and guessing and just sit back and watch. It's fun to speculate but it's hard to figure out.

[NightTrainLayne]

If Gase takes a HC job elsewhere, I'd say it's a done deal that Manning doesn't return. If we promote him, then I suddenly feel confident that Manning returns.

Surely we can't make our HC hiring decision based on our QB who, at most, has a year or two left in the tank.

[MOtorboat]

#McDanielsin2015

[Hardwired]

Peter King 24 minutes ago
Mike Shanahan lives in Denver.
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He has always wanted to coach Peyton Manning.
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John Elway likes Shanahan.
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I mean, I’m just saying.

[Edmonton Bronco Fan]

Had to happen. Just surprised it happened so quickly.

[NightTrainLayne]

I wonder what the "mutual" in "mutually decided to part ways" was. Maybe Foxy is tired, and worried about his health etc. However, I understood that after they fixed his heart valve last year that he was in great health.

[Edmonton Bronco Fan]

#McDanielsin2015

Anybody that hires that clown as a HC is going to immediately regret it.

[VonDoom]

Fox was just the right guy at the right time... Stabilized our whole operation and he will always have my respect. But now we need fresh eyes to take us to the next level.

Pretty much where I'm at. I liked Fox but eventually things have to change if we can't get over the hump. This might be the first of many cleaning house type moves for this team and starting over next year.

Seems like a lot of teams want Fox now that he's available. I say good luck to him and them. He'll probably be good somewhere else, but I think fans of other teams are overrating him because of his record, when much of that was due to the Manning factor.

[NightTrainLayne]

Peter King 24 minutes ago
Mike Shanahan lives in Denver.
-
He has always wanted to coach Peyton Manning.
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John Elway likes Shanahan.
-
I mean, I’m just saying.

Peter King loves stirring pots. LOL.

[Edmonton Bronco Fan]

If Gase takes a HC job elsewhere, I'd say it's a done deal that Manning doesn't return. If we promote him, then I suddenly feel confident that Manning returns.

Gotten the same feeling. I mentioned the other day that I think a Manning return is probably codependent on Gase being internally promoted to the head coaching gig.

[vettesplus]

I wish John Gruden would make himself available!!!!!

[aberdien]

I thought Fox was good not great for a while, but this season I tried to be optimistic and defend him. There were PLENTY of instances in which he was not conservative, to his credit.

Anyway, I think he did a great job making adjustments in the Tebow year, as well as this year changing from a pass-first team to a running team. His legacy as Broncos head coach was always going to depend on Peyton Manning, and it's almost unfortunate for him. But ultimately, the team needs a coach that can take this team to its next level. Fox wasn't able to do it, but he's built a solid foundation that really only needs a few key players and a younger more energetic coach to continue the successes we've seen the past few years.

In the end, Fox's legacy here will be seen as a failure. The team wasn't ready to play in big games against the Ravens, against the Seahawks, and against the Colts, three teams that we were favored against. But I am still grateful that he came in and stabilized the franchise after years of mediocrity thanks to Jay Cutler and Josh McDaniels. Expectations were not met, but it has been a fun 4 years. So thanks Foxy.

[VonDoom]

Peter King 24 minutes ago
Mike Shanahan lives in Denver.
-
He has always wanted to coach Peyton Manning.
-
John Elway likes Shanahan.
-
I mean, I’m just saying.

Can't see it happening with the way Shanahan kept Elway away from the team after his retirement.

[aberdien]

I wish John Gruden would make himself available!!!!!

I don't get the love for John Gruden as a coach. What did he do really? He won 1 SB in his first year. Then what did the Bucs do? He is a good not great coach who would only be a minor improvement over FOx.

[TXBRONC]

Gotten the same feeling. I mentioned the other day that I think a Manning return is probably codependent on Gase being internally promoted to the head coaching gig.

Keep in mind Gase has already interviewed with what four teams? One of them may have already jumped on the chance to hire him.

[VonDoom]

Vic Lombardi ‏@VicLombardi 44s44 seconds ago

NEW INFO: Entire Broncos coaching staff let go. Not just John Fox. All assistants gone according to several players.

[GEM]

49ers flying into Denver tonight to try to get Gase.

[underrated29]

Peyton may want Gase to stick around as HC?

I doubt that, if gase calls the plays that is, if he wont, then I could def see it.



I'm very happy about this decision, but that completely changes if Gase becomes the head coach. I will lose all faith in this front office if they make that scrub the head coach.

See im not sure how I feel about him as a HC. I like that he knows the players and he seems to have leadership that fox does not, but his playcalling and lack of feel for the game has me super worried. I read a thing from an interview with him where he said (the rams game) he had no idea that he had only called 9 run plays the entire game until he looked at the sheets AFTER the game. Thats terrible! beyond terrible!


Gase's play calling this year has left a bad taste in my mouth. I thought he was the be all end all at the end of last year, not any more.


Wouldn't be totally surprised if you see a complete overhaul of the coaching staff. Keep Eric Studesville!



Right there with ya buddy. On all accounts. I think we get a new HC, OC and DC and studes will stay. Im still trying to decide who I like for our new Coaches.

[silkamilkamonico]

I wonder what the "mutual" in "mutually decided to part ways" was. Maybe Foxy is tired, and worried about his health etc. However, I understood that after they fixed his heart valve last year that he was in great health.

Apparently Fox didn't at all agree with the gameplan yesterday, which leads to another question.

Is Gase the problem?

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Broncos general manager John Elway and coach John Fox held a meeting Monday. Afterwards, the two mutually agreed to part ways, according to a team source.

Fox and Elway shared an embrace. Elway now goes about trying to find a new head coach. Fox moves on and could wind up coaching for another NFL team next season.

Fox had been the Broncos' head coach the past four years, posting a 46-18 record that included going four of four in winning AFC West Division titles. However, Fox had not led the Broncos to a Super Bowl victory, as was the team's expectation since it signed quarterback Peyton Manning three years ago.

AND


The Broncos had not considered dismissing Fox, but became concerned by a Fox Sports report Sunday morning, a few hours before Denver's game against Indianapolis.

The report by Jay Glazer, a close friend of Fox, said that should the Broncos lose to the Colts, "could John Fox become available? If he is, he'll shoot to the top of many of these (head coaching candidates) list."

The Broncos became concerned that Fox might have been unhappy and was keeping his options open to coach elsewhere.

full article - http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_27306021/broncos-john-fox-john-elway-expected-meet-monday

John still lives in Carolina - I wonder if they will now get rid of their coach, and bring John back there

[GEM]

Vic Lombardi ‏@VicLombardi 44s44 seconds ago

NEW INFO: Entire Broncos coaching staff let go. Not just John Fox. All assistants gone according to several players.

Whoa! :shocked: They done pissed off the Duke!

[VonDoom]

Again, if it was missed buried on the end of the last page:

Vic Lombardi ‏@VicLombardi 44s44 seconds ago

NEW INFO: Entire Broncos coaching staff let go. Not just John Fox. All assistants gone according to several players.

I tend to believe this means Manning will not be back. What a wild day.

[I Eat Staples]

I don't have any numbers with me, but isn't it extremely rare for a team that parts ways with their HC to hire one of their own coordinators as HC? I almost never see it happen, and there's a good reason for that.

[vettesplus]

Vic Lombardi ‏@VicLombardi 44s44 seconds ago

NEW INFO: Entire Broncos coaching staff let go. Not just John Fox. All assistants gone according to several players.

holy crap, mr. Elway must really be pissed off, can you blame him!!!

[GEM]

Studesville even? I think he did well with what he has been given over the last few seasons!

[Edmonton Bronco Fan]

Keep in mind Gase has already interviewed with what four teams? One of them may have already jumped on the chance to hire him.

If Elway guarantees him the gig here though I'm guessing that he would prefer staying here rather than uprooting himself and heading to a different organization. The fact that this decision came this quick would seem to insinuate that Elway is almost trying to preclude the possibility of him accepting an offer and leaving. Just spit ballin' though.

[BroncoJoe]

Damn! Don't piss off the Duke!!

[TXBRONC]

vic lombardi ‏@viclombardi 44s44 seconds ago

new info: Entire broncos coaching staff let go. Not just john fox. All assistants gone according to several players.

wow.

[Edmonton Bronco Fan]

I don't have any numbers with me, but isn't it extremely rare for a team that parts ways with their HC to hire one of their own coordinators as HC? I almost never see it happen, and there's a good reason for that.

No statistics here to confirm your observation but this does seem to generally be the case, yes.

[underrated29]

Apparently Fox didn't at all agree with the gameplan yesterday, which leads to another question.

Is Gase the problem?




Cant say I told ya so

[aberdien]

Bombs away!

[MOtorboat]

Wow.

[Buff]

Surely we can't make our HC hiring decision based on our QB who, at most, has a year or two left in the tank.

I'm not saying Elway bases his decision on Manning. But I do think Manning will base his decision on Gase's future. I don't think he wants to start over with a new HC and OC at 39 years old. And Dave Logan said on the radio this morning that Manning cited coach movement as one of the factors he will weigh during their postgame interview last night.

[Edmonton Bronco Fan]

Vic Lombardi ‏@VicLombardi 44s44 seconds ago

NEW INFO: Entire Broncos coaching staff let go. Not just John Fox. All assistants gone according to several players.

Holy crap... wow.

[wayninja]

Vic Lombardi ‏@VicLombardi 44s44 seconds ago

NEW INFO: Entire Broncos coaching staff let go. Not just John Fox. All assistants gone according to several players.

This can't be right. Has that ever happened before?

[VonDoom]

MileHighReport retweeted
Benjamin Hochman ‏@hochman 1m1 minute ago

Red wedding

Good reference!

[chazoe60]

Wow!

[vettesplus]

wonder if kubiak has been in touch with Elway, or vise versa!!!

[TXBRONC]

If Elway guarantees him the gig here though I'm guessing that he would prefer staying here rather than uprooting himself and heading to a different organization. The fact that this decision came this quick would seem to insinuate that Elway is almost trying to preclude the possibility of him accepting an offer and leaving. Just spit ballin' though.

I don't think we speculate on this anymore. Elway just let the entire coaching staff go. :shocked:

[VonDoom]

Michael Tanier ‏@MikeTanier 1m1 minute ago

The #Broncos have officially fired the color orange.

MileHighReport retweeted
Mike DeCicco ‏@Mikedecicco 2m2 minutes ago

Elway just called up Reeves to fire him, too

[GEM]

AND



full article - http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_27306021/broncos-john-fox-john-elway-expected-meet-monday

John still lives in Carolina - I wonder if they will now get rid of their coach, and bring John back there

Rivera has done pretty decent there with that ownership getting rid of all of Cam's offensive weapons.

[chazoe60]

JFE as HC? Just kidding.

[wayninja]

Looks like Gase has a new job. You think ?

In that case, I'll take a number 5 with an Orange soda and side of ranch.

[Edmonton Bronco Fan]

Elway is not a happy camper. Not wasting time blowing shit up. Like this response.

[Npba900]

I bet Elway makes a request of the Ravens to interview Kubiak.

I bet Elway brings in the Shanahans as in Mike and Kyle or just Mike or just Kyle!!!!:laugh:

[VonDoom]

wonder if kubiak has been in touch with Elway, or vise versa!!!

Wouldn't surprise me at this point.

[tubby]

Elway gets it.

[Edmonton Bronco Fan]

I don't think we speculate on this anymore. Elway just let entire coaching staff go. :shocked:

Yep. Crazy day :shocked:

[TXBRONC]

This can't be right. Has that ever happened before?

It happens quite bit.

[wayninja]

It happens quite bit.

I've heard of several firings at once, but the entire staff??? Never heard of that. I'll happily admit I'm wrong if you can tell me where you've seen it last.

edit; I do see the bills doing it about 4 years ago, so maybe it does happen more often than I thought.

[Krugan]

Well, hrmm.

I guess the team is rebuilding from the top down.

Did not see a full house cleaning, as we are still a really good team, was more thinking there would be some changes but not the whole staff. Maybe abit drastic...

[TXBRONC]

Yep. Crazy day :shocked:

No kidding.

[I Eat Staples]

Good for Elway. I'm glad to see he still has the same passion for winning as an executive that he had as a player.

The performances we saw yesterday and in last year's Superbowl were unacceptable. Glad to see Elway held the coaches accountable.

[VonDoom]

I think it remains to be seen what they mean by "whole staff" - just the coordinators or more? Even Vic now says:

Vic Lombardi ‏@VicLombardi 2m2 minutes ago

RT @DaManTSC: Including Adam Gase?——>> not sure. doesn’t mean he can’t be considered a candidate for head job. Lot of unknowns right now

[silkamilkamonico]

I don't have any numbers with me, but isn't it extremely rare for a team that parts ways with their HC to hire one of their own coordinators as HC? I almost never see it happen, and there's a good reason for that.



Considering Elway fired both coordinators, I would say it's safe to assume neither will be re-hired for the HC position.

[VonDoom]

Vic Lombardi ‏@VicLombardi 1m1 minute ago

Reached out to a couple assistants. They haven’t been made aware of any sweeping changes yet: “Here until this is figured out”.

Jeff Darlington @JeffDarlington · 6m 6 minutes ago

Elway spoke to entire coaching staff, informed they have permission to look elsewhere. New HC has choice to retain or bring his own guys.

This doesn't make it sound as drastic ...

[tomjonesrocks]

Trying to catch up...Gase and JDR are gone?

[Tned]

Again, if it was missed buried on the end of the last page:

Vic Lombardi ‏@VicLombardi 44s44 seconds ago

NEW INFO: Entire Broncos coaching staff let go. Not just John Fox. All assistants gone according to several players.

I tend to believe this means Manning will not be back. What a wild day.

Lombardi says he's talked to a couple on the staff and they say they haven't been informed that they have been let go.

[NightTrainLayne]

I'm not saying Elway bases his decision on Manning. But I do think Manning will base his decision on Gase's future. I don't think he wants to start over with a new HC and OC at 39 years old. And Dave Logan said on the radio this morning that Manning cited coach movement as one of the factors he will weigh during their postgame interview last night.

Of course, I guess "coach movement" could mean moving Fox et al out. ..

[wayninja]

Trying to catch up...Gase and JDR are gone?

No one knows, just blowing lots of twitter smoke at the moment. One of the reasons to hate twitter. Definitely some changes and Fox is definitely gone... that's all that is really confirmed at the moment.

I think I'm going to start tweeting that Elway blew a hammy firing people so quickly.

[weazel]

bring in Shanny and Schottenheimer! old school yo!

[Tned]

@SusieWargin: MORE REPORTS: John Elway told the coaching staff they have permission to look elsewhere and that new head coach has right to keep coaches or bring is his own guys.

[Krugan]

Vic Lombardi ‏@VicLombardi 1m1 minute ago

Reached out to a couple assistants. They haven’t been made aware of any sweeping changes yet: “Here until this is figured out”.

Jeff Darlington @JeffDarlington · 6m 6 minutes ago

Elway spoke to entire coaching staff, informed they have permission to look elsewhere. New HC has choice to retain or bring his own guys.

This doesn't make it sound as drastic ...

there, that makes more sense

Still, sounds ruthless, go ahead and look elsewhere, I cant say I really want you back, the next guy up will see to your ins or outs :P

[Tned]

RT @DemaryiusT: Cold World...

[VonDoom]

Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 1m1 minute ago

Elway: (Fox)helped establish a positive, winning culture for this team and deserves a lot of credit for the Broncos’ turnaround."

Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 36s37 seconds ago

Elway: "While we have made significant progress under Coach Fox, there is still work to be done." #Broncos

[Edmonton Bronco Fan]

Kubiak saying he was staying put was just in regards to the Jets and Bears HC vacancies IIRC?

Gives me a slive of hope that Elway can work some of his magic and convince Kubes to come here.

[Npba900]

Good for Elway. I'm glad to see he still has the same passion for winning as an executive that he had as a player.

The performances we saw yesterday and in last year's Superbowl were unacceptable. Glad to see Elway held the coaches accountable.
Could it be Elway will ask Manning to retire! Manning recent leg/quad injury's is similar to Elways hamstring injury during the 98 season which John missed 4 games of 14-2 Superbowl win undoubtedly played a decision with Elway retiring a couple months later in 1999. Back then Elway made an agreement that his father would tell him to retire when he just didn't have it anymore. Could it be they're could be the agreement between Manning and his father as well? In the next couple of months (by the early Spring) could do the same as Elway in 99 after a long conversation and Peyton with his father! Son its time to hang it up and retire.

Looks like the OZ era is just around the corner!!!

[BroncoJoe]

I honestly don't know if Kubiak would be much better than Fox - personality wise.

[VonDoom]

MileHighReport ‏@MileHighReport 28s29 seconds ago

#Broncos included John Fox's postseason record in their press release (3-4, .429), which tells you all you need to know.

[imTHATguy]

Not surprised. Elway is ruthless
Do remember when he was running the arena league team. What happened the year after he fired his coaches? Can someone remind me? IN JOHN WE TRUST!

[TXBRONC]

Kubiak saying he was staying put was just in regards to the Jets and Bears HC vacancies IIRC?

Gives me a slive of hope that Elway can work some of his magic and convince Kubes to come here.

I agree.

[GEM]

SO what does this do with guys like DT who are in contract years? Will they want to come back to a team with this much craziness going on?

Really don't like DT's tweet about Cold World....that could be enough to send him off in another direction. I hope Elway didn't jump the gun and alienate players.

[VonDoom]

Could it be Elway will ask Manning to retire! Manning recent leg/quad injury's is similar to Elways hamstring injury during the 98 season which John missed 4 games of 14-2 Superbowl win undoubtedly played a decision with Elway retiring a couple months later in 1999. Back then Elway made an agreement that his father would tell him to retire when he just didn't have it anymore. Could it be they're could be the agreement between Manning and his father as well? In the next couple of months (by the early Spring) could do the same as Elway in 99 after a long conversation and Peyton with his father! Son its time to hang it up and retire.

Looks like the OZ era is just around the corner!!!

Manning for new HC. Let's do this Elway!

[GEM]

RT @DemaryiusT: Cold World...

DOn't like that!

[VonDoom]

SO what does this do with guys like DT who are in contract years? Will they want to come back to a team with this much craziness going on?

Really don't like DT's tweet about Cold World....that could be enough to send him off in another direction. I hope Elway didn't jump the gun and alienate players.

Was my thought as well. The positive spin on that is that players know that Elway isn't f**king around, and that everyone is held accountable.

[weazel]

SO what does this do with guys like DT who are in contract years? Will they want to come back to a team with this much craziness going on?

Really don't like DT's tweet about Cold World....that could be enough to send him off in another direction. I hope Elway didn't jump the gun and alienate players.

he should have tweeted "Cold hands"

[Npba900]

Manning for new HC. Let's do this Elway!

Maybe one day but I'm sure Peyton isn't looking to be a HC this soon.

[GEM]

he should have tweeted "Cold hands"

Oh man :lol:

[wayninja]

@SusieWargin: MORE REPORTS: John Elway told the coaching staff they have permission to look elsewhere and that new head coach has right to keep coaches or bring is his own guys.

I don't have my in-between the lines glasses on, but does coaching staff need permission to look elsewhere after the season is over?

[Tned]

SO what does this do with guys like DT who are in contract years? Will they want to come back to a team with this much craziness going on?

Really don't like DT's tweet about Cold World....that could be enough to send him off in another direction. I hope Elway didn't jump the gun and alienate players.

Yea, my thought as well. Granted, Broncos can still franchise him, but that was exactly my reaction upon seeing that tweet.

[Joel]

I wonder what the "mutual" in "mutually decided to part ways" was. Maybe Foxy is tired, and worried about his health etc. However, I understood that after they fixed his heart valve last year that he was in great health.
Here's how that mutualism went

Fox: Sure, we lost yet another huge game we should win easily, but we'll improve and move forward; we made mistakes, but they're correctable.

Elway: Well, since you brought it up....

[TXBRONC]

I don't have my in-between the lines glasses on, but does coaching staff need permission to look elsewhere after the season is over?

They're under contract just like the head coach is.

[tomjonesrocks]

DOn't like that!

If he'd not been a drop machine maybe they'd still be here. Not really that cold IMO.

2 devastating, considerable upset losses and one of the worst SB performances ever. This isn't Schottenheimer getting fired after 14-2.

9 Pro Bowlers and CJ Anderson and one and done.

[NightTerror218]

I am intereated in Dan Quinn, Todd Bowles, Jim Mora, Gary Kubiak, Norv Turner

[TimHippo]

Vic Lombardi ‏@VicLombardi 44s44 seconds ago

NEW INFO: Entire Broncos coaching staff let go. Not just John Fox. All assistants gone according to several players.

Yes! By By Gase!

[TXBRONC]

I am intereated in Dan Quinn, Todd Bowles, Jim Mora, Gary Kubiak, Norv Turner

I'm not interested Mora or Turner. Turner has already had three bits at the apple as a head coach and Mora is about the same.

[TimHippo]

I doubt that, if gase calls the plays that is, if he wont, then I could def see it.




See im not sure how I feel about him as a HC. I like that he knows the players and he seems to have leadership that fox does not, but his playcalling and lack of feel for the game has me super worried. I read a thing from an interview with him where he said (the rams game) he had no idea that he had only called 9 run plays the entire game until he looked at the sheets AFTER the game. Thats terrible! beyond terrible!





Right there with ya buddy. On all accounts. I think we get a new HC, OC and DC and studes will stay. Im still trying to decide who I like for our new Coaches.

Gase is a milquetoast and follower. Not a leader.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Vic Lombardi @VicLombardi · 4m

From a longtime Broncos assistant: “We haven’t been told anything. But when the head coach loses his job, we’re not guaranteed a job”.

Vic Lombardi @VicLombardi · 14m

Just got off the phone with a Broncos assistant. Much uncertainty. Haven’t been notified yet. Not like they’ve been asked to leave.

Vic Lombardi @VicLombardi · 19m

Reached out to a couple assistants. They haven’t been made aware of any sweeping changes yet: “Here until this is figured out”.

Vic Lombardi @VicLombardi · 22m

RT @DaManTSC: Including Adam Gase?——>> not sure. doesn’t mean he can’t be considered a candidate for head job. Lot of unknowns right now

Vic Lombardi @VicLombardi · 34m

Reached out to Mike Shanahan regarding the Broncos coaching vacancy. Doesn’t want to comment in respect to John Fox. #Broncos

[Joel]

I don't get the love for John Gruden as a coach. What did he do really? He won 1 SB in his first year. Then what did the Bucs do? He is a good not great coach who would only be a minor improvement over FOx.
Maybe a good OC; he built Oaklands last great teams, despite the Davis family hamstringing all their OTHER coaches and turning that club into a multi-decade dumpster fire. That said, yeah, he won A SB with an elite D Dungy built for him, versus an offense HE built. After the NFCCG he could've just dropped his old playbook off with his assistants and left for vacation two weeks early.

[TimHippo]

michael tanier ‏@miketanier 1m1 minute ago

the #broncos have officially fired the color orange.

Milehighreport retweeted
mike decicco ‏@mikedecicco 2m2 minutes ago

elway just called up reeves to fire him, too

lmao

[TimHippo]

Assuming Manning doesn't retire:
Bill Cowher
Jon Gruden

No time to mess around with rookie head coaching candidates like Adam Gase.

[TXBRONC]

Assuming Manning doesn't retire:
Bill Cowher
Jon Gruden

No time to mess around with rookie head coaching candidates like Adam Gase.

When a coach has been out of League as long as those two have been I wouldn't even consider them.

[Tangerine]

I don't have my in-between the lines glasses on, but does coaching staff need permission to look elsewhere after the season is over?

Yes, for a lateral job they do, basically they're saying if any other coaches want to interview for open position they are allowed to, because they will likely be gone when the new coach comes in.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Vic Lombardi @VicLombardi · 2m

UPDATE: Adam Gase is among the assistants given permission to look elsewhere. All assistants granted that permission. #Broncos

Vic Lombardi retweeted
Mike Klis @MikeKlis · 9m

John Elway told John Fox's coaching assistants that they remain under contract with the Broncos but they are free to look elsewhere.

Vic Lombardi @VicLombardi · 10m

I repeat, not ALL Broncos assistants have been notified about job status. Some assume they’re gone. Others are still wait and see.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. — The Broncos and Head Coach John Fox have mutually agreed to part ways, the team announced Monday.

Fox, the 14th head coach in Broncos franchise history, and the team parted ways after a loss in the Broncos' opening playoff game on Sunday. He finished his tenure in Denver with four consecutive division titles on a 46-18 regular-season record with a 49-22 overall record with the Broncos.

STATEMENT FROM JOHN ELWAY

“John Fox and I met for more than an hour on Monday afternoon to discuss the 2014 season and our goals for the future. During our open and candid conversation, it became clear that it was best for both the Denver Broncos and Coach Fox to move on and make this change.

“On behalf of the Broncos, I sincerely thank John for his many contributions during his four seasons as head coach. He helped establish a positive, winning culture for this team and deserves a lot of credit for the Broncos’ turnaround.

“While we have made significant progress under Coach Fox, there is still work to be done. I believe this change at the head coaching position will be in the best interest of our long-term goal, which from day one has been to win World Championships.

“Our organization is fully dedicated to reaching Pat Bowlen’s high standards for his team as we begin the process of finding the next head coach to lead the Denver Broncos.”

STATEMENT FROM JOHN FOX

“I had a productive visit with John Elway this afternoon in which we were both very honest about our time together and how to best move forward. After this discussion, John and I mutually agreed that the timing was right for this decision.

“Although we came up short of our ultimate goal, I am proud of our team’s many accomplishments during these last four years. I truly appreciate all of the hard work put in by every player, coach and staff member within this organization.

“It was an honor to coach the Denver Broncos, a first-class franchise with great fans and a winning tradition. I am thankful to John, Mr. Bowlen and Joe Ellis for allowing me and my family to be part of this team and community.

“I am eager to continue my coaching career and look forward to the opportunities that lie ahead.”

http://www.denverbroncos.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Broncos-John-Fox-mutually-agree-to-part-ways/043671b9-615e-40fa-aa88-4e079ad8418d

[Northman]

Surely we can't make our HC hiring decision based on our QB who, at most, has a year or two left in the tank.

Nope

[Northman]

#McDanielsin2015

Someone please ban this fool.....

[Northman]

Vic Lombardi ‏@VicLombardi 44s44 seconds ago

NEW INFO: Entire Broncos coaching staff let go. Not just John Fox. All assistants gone according to several players.

Love it. Elway with a no nonsense approach.

[TXBRONC]

Someone please ban this fool.....

If Elway hired him it would only be to bring him out to Denver to kick the crap out him and then would he fire him again.

[MOtorboat]

Someone please ban this fool.....

You know you want it.

[Joel]

I'm not interested Mora or Turner. Turner has already had three bits at the apple as a head coach and Mora is about the same.
Agreed, and I assume the Mora suggestion in turn assumes Manning retires, because I can't imagine him ever playing for Mora again. Cue the clip.... ;)

[Tangerine]

Agreed, and I assume the Mora suggestion in turn assumes Manning retires, because I can't imagine him ever playing for Mora again. Cue the clip.... ;)

Mora Jr not Sr....

[Northman]

You know you want it.

lmao

[Jsteve01]

I honestly don't know if Kubiak would be much better than Fox - personality wise. I'm agreeing with you a lot

[Joel]

When a coach has been out of League as long as those two have been I wouldn't even consider them.
Kurt Warner's really glad the Rams didn't feel that way about Vermeil.

[Joel]

Mora Jr not Sr....
Ah, OK... I guess; apple doesn't fall from the tree, especially when it's the namesake.

[BroncoWave]

Wow. Bravo Mr. Elway, Bravo! Now just don't ruin it an hire Gase. Forget Kubiak too. Has everyone forgotten his stint in Houston? I don't see him having much more energy than Fox. I want Dan Quinn from Seattle.

[silkamilkamonico]

So Vic doesn't know if the assistants were let go, or not? What the hell is going on in this circus?

[TXBRONC]

So Vic doesn't know if the assistants were let go, or not? What the hell is going on in this circus?

If you're not careful Elway is going to fire you too.

[silkamilkamonico]

If you're not careful Elway is going to fire you too.
Hopefully he fires Vic, who can't seem to get his story straight.

[vettesplus]

Hopefully he fires Vic, who can't seem to get his story straight.

typical media, everyone wants the big story first!!!

[Simple Jaded]

Hopefully he fires Vic, who can't seem to get his story straight.

I've heard that morning show complain about how the media reports first and asks questions later. Lombardi is kind of a whiny tawt.

[Simple Jaded]

Yes, for a lateral job they do, basically they're saying if any other coaches want to interview for open position they are allowed to, because they will likely be gone when the new coach comes in.

Everybody loves Mike Hawk.

[Tned]

Klis usually is VERY plugged into the Broncos:

RT @PostBroncos: UPDATE via @MikeKlis: Mike Shanahan is not a candidate for the Broncos; Adam Gase likely won't be promoted. http://t.co/tJu5jEszMK

[Joel]

Wow. Bravo Mr. Elway, Bravo! Now just don't ruin it an hire Gase. Forget Kubiak too. Has everyone forgotten his stint in Houston? I don't see him having much more energy than Fox. I want Dan Quinn from Seattle.
I remember it well enough to wonder what YOU'RE remembering. Kubiak wasn't passive in Houston, only broody; he maintained discipline and was fully capable of going off on whoever deserved it. He also turned a cellar-dwelling expansion team with NO offense into an offensive juggernaut and made an UDFA the NFL Rushing Champ, producing the first winning season, division title and playoff wins in franchise history. What happened to Denver faithful who respected guys who made laughing stocks respectable? Not Kubes' fault his GM traded for a QB so awful he singlehandedly doomed a great team.

[MOtorboat]

I remember it well enough to wonder what YOU'RE remembering. Kubiak wasn't passive in Houston, only broody; he maintained discipline and was fully capable of going off on whoever deserved it. He also turned a cellar-dwelling expansion team with NO offense into an offensive juggernaut and made an UDFA the NFL Rushing Champ, producing the first winning season, division title and playoff wins in franchise history. What happened to Denver faithful who respected guys who made laughing stocks respectable? Not Kubes' fault his GM traded for a QB so awful he singlehandedly doomed a great team.

Kubrick didn't even win a damn playoff game. I don't care who his quarterback was.

No thanks.

[MOtorboat]

I want somebody who wants to win a mother****ing game.

[BroncoWave]

Kubrick didn't even win a damn playoff game. I don't care who his quarterback was.

No thanks.

Seriously. I don't get this enamormet with Kubes at all. Have people totally forgotten his stint in houston?

[BroncoWave]

I want somebody who wants to win a mother****ing game.

Hey I think New England has a coordinator who fits that bill!

[GEM]

I want somebody who wants to win a mother****ing game.

McDouche is NOT coming back! :laugh:

Please Lord don't let that little **** anywhere near Denver again!

[G_Money]

Wow. Bravo Mr. Elway, Bravo! Now just don't ruin it an hire Gase. Forget Kubiak too. Has everyone forgotten his stint in Houston? I don't see him having much more energy than Fox. I want Dan Quinn from Seattle.

I looove Quinn as a DC. If he can find an offensive guy and a coordinator for his defense that's as good as he is, sign him up!

Head coaches are such a weird package deal...

[MOtorboat]

lol.

Seriously, though, I want somebody fresh. We tried to the "proven" head coach with Fox and it was four good years, but not enough. Get someone new and fresh. Go big or go home.

[tripp]

I looove Quinn as a DC. If he can find an offensive guy and a coordinator for his defense that's as good as he is, sign him up!

Head coaches are such a weird package deal...

Would like to see him here big time.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

from article:

Demaryius Thomas ✔ @DemaryiusT

Cold World...
4:02 PM - 12 Jan 2015

Ben Garland ✔ @BenGarland63

Sad to see Coach Fox go, he was a great coach, I'm glad I got to play for him.
4:01 PM - 12 Jan 2015

Dominique Jones ✔ @DominiqueJones5

Wow didn't see that coming... I knew we would probably have some coordinators leaving but not the Head Man!!! This league is crazy man

Terrance Knighton @MrKnighton2u

Damn
3:37 PM - 12 Jan 2015

Brandon Marshall ✔ @BMarshh54

Wow..
3:35 PM - 12 Jan 2015

Omar C. Bolden ✔ @Os_Island

Wow...
3:33 PM - 12 Jan 2015

Tony Carter ✔ @tonycarter904

Worry not never GOD always has a plan even when u can't see it !!!!
3:45 PM - 12 Jan 2015

David BRUTON JR. ✔ @D_Brut30

Sad to see Foxy go. Was a favorite when he was in Carolina and honored to be coached by him and his staff. #blessed #BroncosCountry
4:29 PM - 12 Jan 2015

mark schlereth ✔ @markschlereth

Divisional round...Not what the Broncos are looking for.
3:40 PM - 12 Jan 2015

Woody Paige ✔ @woodypaige

The players loved playing for Fox, but he wasn't a forceful enough coach with players when it was necessary: http://dpo.st/1u0Bf9r

With DT tweeting nothing but Cold World, I hope that does not influence him not wanting to sign with the Broncos

[BroncoWave]

lol.

Seriously, though, I want somebody fresh. We tried to the "proven" head coach with Fox and it was four good years, but not enough. Get someone new and fresh. Go big or go home.

No doubt. I don't want another retread. No to Kubes, no to Shanny, especially no to the ridiculous Cowher and Gruden ideas. Someone fresh and fully of energy. Now that Elway runs the team, we won't have the same roster issues that happened with McD.

I wouldn't be against dipping into the college ranks either as that has worked well for multiple teams lately. I guess I don't know who I'd get from there though. Helfrich is probably a little too green and guys like Saban aren't going anywhere.

[MOtorboat]

Who's the dude from KC that Dog mentioned for the Bears job? Get him on the ringer.

[Jsteve01]

Wow. Bravo Mr. Elway, Bravo! Now just don't ruin it an hire Gase. Forget Kubiak too. Has everyone forgotten his stint in Houston? I don't see him having much more energy than Fox. I want Dan Quinn from Seattle. I'd love quinn

[GEM]

Shefter reporting interest in Quinn from Seattle.

[G_Money]

We should be interested in Quinn, and the Broncos are a class organization with history, talent, and a rather competent FO. We're his best opportunity too if we want him. I mean, us or the dumpster fire in NJ? Take your pick... :lol:

[BigDaddyBronco]

Manning should retire and become the OC.

[G_Money]

Manning and John are gonna own the team once the Bowlen family allows themselves to be bought out. Dunno that coaching is Manning's future. ;)

[tripp]

Manning and John are gonna own the team once the Bowlen family allows themselves to be bought out. Dunno that coaching is Manning's future. ;)

Would love to see Manning be apart of this team even when he retires. I don't think he will though, not right off the bat.

[TXBRONC]

Shefter reporting interest in Quinn from Seattle.

Is Adam planning on asking him out on a date?

[tripp]

Is Adam planning on asking him out on a date?

Take him to Shanahan's! :beer:

[Northman]

lol.

Seriously, though, I want somebody fresh. We tried to the "proven" head coach with Fox and it was four good years, but not enough. Get someone new and fresh. Go big or go home.

Pretty much.

We as a organization are now stablized, time to bring in some fresh blood with a coach who is equally as hungry as the players.

[Northman]

mark schlereth ✔ @markschlereth

Divisional round...Not what the Broncos are looking for.

Stinky nailed it.

The Pats are going to their 4th straight AFCCG while we went one and done 2 out of 3 years. Not going to cut it and im glad Elway isnt settling for it.

[MileHighCrew]

Posted this in other thread to things in here are going fast

Broncos to consider Gase
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/12/broncos-will-consider-gase-for-head-coaching-job/

[tomjonesrocks]

Posted this in other thread to things in here are going fast Broncos to consider Gase http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/12/broncos-will-consider-gase-for-head-coaching-job/

Conflicting reports to that as mentioned in other threads.

[Northman]

Posted this in other thread to things in here are going fast

Broncos to consider Gase
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/12/broncos-will-consider-gase-for-head-coaching-job/

Niners can have him.

[Simple Jaded]

Wait, I thought Rick Dennison turned Houston offense into a juggernaut?

Oh, and btw, Josh McDaniels can't touch Kubes as a HC or a coordinator, comparing the 2 at this point is laughable. One guy has earned it, the other guy dresses like he's earned it.

[tomjonesrocks]

Niners can have him.

I don't know if I want Gase as HC or not. It seems like if he's back Manning is back.

And I feel like at this point if Gase isn't Manning isn't.

Hard to know what to root for but is Peyton can heal I would want him back.

[tripp]

I don't know if I want Gase as HC or not. It seems like if he's back Manning is back.

And I feel like at this point if Gase isn't Manning isn't.

It certainly seems like it.

[Simple Jaded]

Gase as HC and Jim Bob Cooter as OC.

[TXBRONC]

Niners can have him.

He has/had a second interview with the 49ers today so that's usually a pretty good sign that a team is really interested in candidate.

[VonDoom]

Wow. Bravo Mr. Elway, Bravo! Now just don't ruin it an hire Gase. Forget Kubiak too. Has everyone forgotten his stint in Houston? I don't see him having much more energy than Fox. I want Dan Quinn from Seattle.

Quinn would probably be my first choice as well. I like the idea of a fresh face in here and a culture change.

I had to leave to eat dinner, so I don't know if this was posted, but I like the sentiment:

John Boyle ‏@johnpboyle 1h1 hour ago

Per @AdamSchefter, Broncos want to interview Dan Quinn. His interview should consist solely of him plunking SBXLVIII film on the table.

[Northman]

I don't know if I want Gase as HC or not. It seems like if he's back Manning is back.

And I feel like at this point if Gase isn't Manning isn't.

Hard to know what to root for but is Peyton can heal I would want him back.


Well i doubt that the playcalling was all Fox so without any creativity or adjustments i dont see much changing in terms of coaching. I would like to have Manning back (if the injury was truly what made him go in a slump) but i would rather have a different coach at the helm.

[Joel]

Kubrick didn't even win a damn playoff game. I don't care who his quarterback was.

No thanks.
Tell King Kubiak never won a playoff game: Houston spanked Cincy in playoff games back-to-back seasons; the first was the game when J.J. Watt suddenly turned into... J.J. Watt. Again, who has trouble with facts? Unless you mean Kubiak never won a playoff game as a PLAYER, but he was understudy to JFE, and we're talking about him taking Foxs job, not Mannings.


Seriously. I don't get this enamormet with Kubes at all. Have people totally forgotten his stint in houston?
Apparently some folks have: Forgot him turning a moribund team into an offensive power, forgot turning an UDFA into NFL Rushing Champ, forgot him bringing the franchise its first EVER winning season, division title and playoff wins (note the plural; just as 3>0 last time someone fact checked me without checking THEIR facts, 2>0 now.) Again, Schaubs failures aren't Kubiaks.


Wait, I thought Rick Dennison turned Houston offense into a juggernaut?
That's a fair point, or at least a good question: Kubiak's had Dennison on his staff on ALL THREE teams where he coached, so how much of the offensive power ALL THREE had is Kubes and how much Dennison? Hard to say, but it's a question I liked asking about Denver and Houston a LOT more than I like asking it about Baltimore. Main difference is I'm pretty sure a former LB and STs coach like Dennison can do more than JUST run an offense if he wants to be a HC someday. I'd cheerfully promote Kubes to our HC and Dennison to OC; worked GREAT for Houston, however badly remembered.


Oh, and btw, Josh McDaniels can't touch Kubes as a HC or a coordinator, comparing the 2 at this point is laughable. One guy has earned it, the other guy dresses like he's earned it.
No argument there.

[MOtorboat]

Tell King Kubiak never won a playoff game: Houston spanked Cincy in playoff games back-to-back seasons; the first was the game when J.J. Watt suddenly turned into... J.J. Watt. Again, who has trouble with facts? Unless you mean Kubiak never won a playoff game as a PLAYER, but he was understudy to JFE, and we're talking about him taking Foxs job, not Mannings.


Apparently some folks have: Forgot him turning a moribund team into an offensive power, forgot turning an UDFA into NFL Rushing Champ, forgot him bringing the franchise its first EVER winning season, division title and playoff wins (note the plural; just as 3>0 last time someone fact checked me without checking THEIR facts, 2>0 now.) Again, Schaubs failures aren't Kubiaks.

If he gets credit for all that shit he gets credit for Schaub's failings. You got me on one. Now, you might want to go and check who was talking to you about facts. It wasn't me.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Well i doubt that the playcalling was all Fox so without any creativity or adjustments i dont see much changing in terms of coaching. I would like to have Manning back (if the injury was truly what made him go in a slump) but i would rather have a different coach at the helm.


Just for clarification, the injury was after the St Lois game.

[Joel]

If he gets credit for all that shit he gets credit for Schaub's failings. You got me on one. Now, you might want to go and check who was talking to you about facts. It wasn't me.
Got you on two:

1) Manning wasn't the first nor even SECOND HoF QB to hit the FA market (because Favre signed with Minnesota and Moon with Seatle as FAs, and there are probably others.) 3>0
2) Kubiak didn't "never win a playoff game," he beat Cincy in the playoffs two years straight. 2>0

No, it's not his fault Schaub failed in Houston anymore than it's his fault Schaub failed in Atlanta and got traded to Houston. It's Schaubs fault Schaub failed, and that he took Kubes down with him.

Sorry I confused you with the person who made the "facts" comment when responding to you; guess everyone got someone here.

[TXBRONC]

Just for clarification, the injury was after the St Lois game.

I thought read it was the game in San Diego.

[NightTerror218]

Kubiak also had a crap team that he brought up to a pretty decent football team. I think he did well there.

[silkamilkamonico]

Kubiack is kind of like a Fox clone. Good program builder, could never win any big games.

[LTC Pain]

Check out @VicLombardi's Tweet: https://twitter.com/VicLombardi/status/554808295806869504?s=09

Lombardi thinks the departure was coming before the loss to the Colts.

[Joel]

Kubiack is kind of like a Fox clone. Good program builder, could never win any big games.
That's only a valid comparison if one thinks David Carr, Sage Rosenfels and Matt Schaub comparable to Peyton Manning. Safe bet no one does. I guess there's kind of a comparison between Fox and Kubiak though: Kubiak won as many playoff games with the 2-14 team he inherited as Fox won with the 4-12 team he inherited. But, again: Carr/Schaub=/=Manning

[MOtorboat]

That's only a valid comparison if one thinks David Carr, Sage Rosenfels and Matt Schaub comparable to Peyton Manning. Safe bet no one does. I guess there's kind of a comparison between Fox and Kubiak though: Kubiak won as many playoff games with the 2-14 team he inherited as Fox won with the 4-12 team he inherited. But, again: Carr/Schaub=/=Manning

No, it's fair and comparable because the discussion is Fox BEFORE he came to Denver, not after he got here. And it's plenty comparable to Delhomme, Clausen and whatever crappy quarterback Fox ran out there in Carolina.

[Buff]

After listening to Mike Klis, it sounds like John Fox used that Glazer report to hint that he wanted to leave town... Which adds a whole new layer of complexity. It sounds like John Fox wanted out more than Elway wanted to fire him...

http://dptv.denverpost.com/2015/01/12/broncos-coach-john-fox-and-broncos-part-ways-dptv-update-from-dove-vally/

[aberdien]

Well **** you too John Fox!

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Check out @VicLombardi's Tweet: https://twitter.com/VicLombardi/status/554808295806869504?s=09

Lombardi thinks the departure was coming before the loss to the Colts.

That very well might be true, and it could have been Fox who wanted out. First, keep the following in mind:


Fox, meanwhile, would have preferred a little more authority with the draft and roster.

The Broncos had not considered dismissing Fox, but became concerned by a Fox Sports report Sunday morning, a few hours before Denver's game against Indianapolis.

The report by Jay Glazer, a close friend of Fox, said that should the Broncos lose to the Colts, "could John Fox become available? If he is, he'll shoot to the top of many of these (head coaching candidates) list."

The Broncos became concerned that Fox was unhappy and was keeping his options open to coach elsewhere. According to a team source, the report "opened the door" to the meeting Monday between Elway and Fox.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_27306021/broncos-john-fox-john-elway-expected-meet-monday

After each Broncos' game, different stations on tv have sports people on to discuss the game. On ch9 last night, Ron Zappolo was one of the people on. In regards to what Jay Glazer said before the game yesterday, Ron said that each time a HC was unhappy and wanted out, or had a feeling they would be fired, they would contact Ron and tell him to get it out, so his name would be out there for other coaching openings.

Then, there is this, reported by Jay Glazer today: From article:


Fox informed FOX Sports NFL insider Jay Glazer first of the news on Monday afternoon.

rest - plus video Glazer talking, stating that there were disagreements between Fox and elway
http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/denver-broncos-john-fox-peyton-manning-part-ways-011215

Also, not along ago, Vic reported that Elway met with Peyton today, and Peyton stated that he did not want to make a decision in regards to coming back, until he knew who the next coach would be.

[Buff]

Best post in the thread, Carol...

Reading between the lines - Fox knew that it was only a matter of time until he was shown the door, and that the relationship with Elway wasn't working... So he made a savvy veteran move and floated the anonymous report, expediting the process.

[Simple Jaded]

Maybe Fox got sick of the QB's always getting credit for his teams accomplishments and him getting all the blame for his QB's failures.

[Buff]

Maybe Fox got sick of the QB's always getting credit for his teams accomplishments and him getting all the blame for his QB's failures.

Did you make this exact post at PFT, or did you just steal it? Either way, I like the comment.

[Simple Jaded]

Did you make this exact post at PFT, or did you just steal it? Either way, I like the comment.

Wasn't me. I haven't posted there in years.

[wayninja]

After listening to Mike Klis, it sounds like John Fox used that Glazer report to hint that he wanted to leave town... Which adds a whole new layer of complexity. It sounds like John Fox wanted out more than Elway wanted to fire him...

http://dptv.denverpost.com/2015/01/12/broncos-coach-john-fox-and-broncos-part-ways-dptv-update-from-dove-vally/

If I were fox, I'd want out too. It's tough to be the least talented guy in the room.

[underrated29]

After listening to Mike Klis, it sounds like John Fox used that Glazer report to hint that he wanted to leave town... Which adds a whole new layer of complexity. It sounds like John Fox wanted out more than Elway wanted to fire him...

http://dptv.denverpost.com/2015/01/12/broncos-coach-john-fox-and-broncos-part-ways-dptv-update-from-dove-vally/


Sorry to keep quoting you as Kim OT directing at you but your point leads right into what I'm going to say.


I've heard fox hated the gameplan for the colts game. He also as you say, may have wanted out before then......that begs the question why would he want out so badly? Maybe because, especially if he didn't like the game plan, that gase is as much of a problem as I have said, or maybe even worse.

What could possibly be any other reason for his wanted departure especially after he had expressly disagreed with the game plan?

[MOtorboat]

UR's autocorrect is some funny shit.

[aberdien]

Is there a source for Fox not liking the gameplan?

Also, if he didn't like the gameplan, he should've said something or done something about it rather than just let it happen.

[TXBRONC]

Sorry to keep quoting you as Kim OT directing at you but your point leads right into what I'm going to say.


I've heard fox hated the gameplan for the colts game. He also as you say, may have wanted out before then......that begs the question why would he want out so badly? Maybe because, especially if he didn't like the game plan, that gase is as much of a problem as I have said, or maybe even worse.

What could possibly be any other reason for his wanted departure especially after he had expressly disagreed with the game plan?

Klis mentioned that Fox might have felt he wasn't getting enough say so in personnel decisions.

[MOtorboat]

Is there a source for Fox not liking the gameplan?

Also, if he didn't like the gameplan, he should've said something or done something about it rather than just let it happen.

If that's true, I pretty much take back every defense of Fox I ever made.

[underrated29]

UR's autocorrect is some funny shit.


Lmao. Didn't notice til you said it. Lol that is bad. I think my iPad is drunk.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Sorry to keep quoting you as Kim OT directing at you but your point leads right into what I'm going to say.


I've heard fox hated the gameplan for the colts game. He also as you say, may have wanted out before then......that begs the question why would he want out so badly? Maybe because, especially if he didn't like the game plan, that gase is as much of a problem as I have said, or maybe even worse.

What could possibly be any other reason for his wanted departure especially after he had expressly disagreed with the game plan?

Where did you hear that Fox hated the game plan for the Colts game? Also, after the game last night, Peyton stated those long passes where his decisions. So, that was not part of the game plan, but on field decisions made by Peyton.

[Ziggy]

Give me a coach with a killer instinct. Quinn fits the bill. Let's change the culture around here. This team has been soft for years. I don't care who the coach is, as long as he's the type of guy that coaches his team to go punch other teams in the mouth like the Seahawks do.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

That very well might be true, and it could have been Fox who wanted out. First, keep the following in mind:



http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_27306021/broncos-john-fox-john-elway-expected-meet-monday

After each Broncos' game, different stations on tv have sports people on to discuss the game. On ch9 last night, Ron Zappolo was one of the people on. In regards to what Jay Glazer said before the game yesterday, Ron said that each time a HC was unhappy and wanted out, or had a feeling they would be fired, they would contact Ron and tell him to get it out, so his name would be out there for other coaching openings.

Then, there is this, reported by Jay Glazer today: From article:



rest - plus video Glazer talking, stating that there were disagreements between Fox and elway
http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/denver-broncos-john-fox-peyton-manning-part-ways-011215

Also, not along ago, Vic reported that Elway met with Peyton today, and Peyton stated that he did not want to make a decision in regards to coming back, until he knew who the next coach would be.

Wow, Glazer starts to blame Elway, then stops himself. He starts to say, "if you can't get along with John Fox...." then he redirects his comment.

[Buff]

Sorry to keep quoting you as Kim OT directing at you but your point leads right into what I'm going to say.


I've heard fox hated the gameplan for the colts game. He also as you say, may have wanted out before then......that begs the question why would he want out so badly? Maybe because, especially if he didn't like the game plan, that gase is as much of a problem as I have said, or maybe even worse.

What could possibly be any other reason for his wanted departure especially after he had expressly disagreed with the game plan?

I think you're trying to fit a square peg into a round hole with that theory... As Carol alluded to, Fox reportedly would have liked more say over the roster and draft. Between an all-time great GM and QB, he probably got tired of dealing with egos and wanted more power with all of his experience.

The Gase theory doesn't add up because he (Fox) had control over the game plan. It makes sense if he was frustrated with things that were out of his control, but the game plan was one of the few things he did control.

[underrated29]

Klis mentioned that Fox might have felt he wasn't getting enough say so in personnel decisions.



I wonder which ones. Would be interesting to see specifically which ones....like maybe CJ ahead of ball or Franklin at OG instead of rt....or maybe smaller ones like, types of plays on offense or defense or st. Or who is active on game day or inactive?

I'd really like to know. I wonder how much Elway has say in this? IMO, and I could be way off, elway shouldn't really have any say in who is up or down on game day, or plays or anything else...not saying he does either

[tomjonesrocks]

Wow, Glazer starts to blame Elway, then stops himself. He starts to say, "if you can't get along with John Fox...." then he redirects his comment.

There's no doubt in my mind Fox is a "nicer" guy then Elway.

[aberdien]

This is all giving me a headache.

[tomjonesrocks]

This is all giving me a headache.

It's a bad feeling for sure.

[aberdien]

Jim Saccomano ‏@broncos_sacco 4m4 minutes ago
Press conference by John Elway at noon Tuesday at Broncos Dove Valley HQ. #fb

Maybe things will get cleared up here. I will say that I hope Elway doesn't become overbearing as a GM if that's what the Fox/Elway disagreements come down to.

[silkamilkamonico]

SO it was Fox's gameplan to air the ball and throw 10+ fade routes throughout the course opf the game? I don't believe that for one minute.

[chazoe60]

There's no doubt in my mind Fox is a "nicer" guy then Elway.

Nice guys don't win SBs

[silkamilkamonico]

Does someone help Elway when it comes to personnel decisions? He certainly could use help when it comes to the draft.

[Simple Jaded]

Nice guys don't win SBs

Nice guys always whine about doing their best, winners go home and **** the prom queen.

[underrated29]

Nice guys always whine about doing their best, winners go home and **** the prom queen.


Paul was the prom queen, shonne

[tomjonesrocks]

Jim Saccomano ‏@broncos_sacco 4m4 minutes ago Press conference by John Elway at noon Tuesday at Broncos Dove Valley HQ. #fb Maybe things will get cleared up here. I will say that I hope Elway doesn't become overbearing as a GM if that's what the Fox/Elway disagreements come down to.

I expect very respectfully presented unrevealing/boilerplate info.

Fox is hard to hate. He really is. But he's good, not great. Hard to let a guy like that go but Elway is competitively insane.

[silkamilkamonico]

Nice guys always whine about doing their best, winners go home and **** the prom queen.



Nice guys like John Fox mercilessly thank the players week in and week out for winning "and saving his job for another week". I knew when I saw those lockerroom speeches his first year we were in trouble when it came to big games.

[underrated29]

Paul was the prom queen, shonne

Lmao big autocorrect fail.again

[tomjonesrocks]

Does someone help Elway when it comes to personnel decisions? He certainly could use help when it comes to the draft.

I think he's been very good overall. Roby was a great pick.

He can't draft RBs, though.

[Simple Jaded]

*Carla

[chazoe60]

Paul was the prom queen, shonne

What kind of HS did you go to?

[chazoe60]

Does someone help Elway when it comes to personnel decisions? He certainly could use help when it comes to the draft.

Bullshit.