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Pudge
12-07-2014, 06:06 PM
He's horrible.


His 7.6 yards per reception, and two touchdowns this season have been unacceptable. We should cut him and sign Tebow or something else asinine.

Virgil green has similar stats, so let's just start him, you know cuz elways retarded, and stats are all that matters

Dapper Dan
12-07-2014, 06:07 PM
Tell me how you really feel?

Slick
12-07-2014, 06:17 PM
Man crush on Tamme, Pudge?

Pudge
12-07-2014, 06:21 PM
Man crush on Tamme, Pudge?

Maybe, the guy is low payed and has 2 tds on the year. I think he's a bargain value

MOtorboat
12-07-2014, 06:23 PM
Can't wait for JT to be healthy.

Dapper Dan
12-07-2014, 06:23 PM
But he has a fumbling problem.

Pudge
12-07-2014, 06:32 PM
But he has a fumbling problem.

****

Pudge
12-07-2014, 06:32 PM
Can't wait for JT to be healthy.

Yeah me neither, but who are we replacing range with when we cut him? I saw your high fives

MOtorboat
12-07-2014, 06:35 PM
Yeah me neither, but who are we replacing range with when we cut him? I saw your high fives

Tim MF Tebow.

Dude should be a tight end/h-back...

Dapper Dan
12-07-2014, 06:36 PM
We really need to pick up this Orton kid. He's only getting paid $2.5million for this season and he looks better than Peyton Manning.

Slick
12-07-2014, 06:36 PM
Maybe, the guy is low payed and has 2 tds on the year. I think he's a bargain value

I think you just over reacted to the reaction to the fetal position, please don't hurt me guys, fumble. Now we know he's playing with hurt ribs.

Dapper Dan
12-07-2014, 06:38 PM
What an idiot. That's selfish. If he's hurt he should let someone else play.

wayninja
12-07-2014, 07:09 PM
LOL @ butthurt thread

ShaneFalco
12-07-2014, 07:12 PM
Tebow ! Tebow! Tebow!

Simple Jaded
12-07-2014, 07:26 PM
The Broncos should sign Tebow to play TE and move Tamme to QB.

OrangeHoof
12-07-2014, 07:40 PM
Tamme is one of Peyton's friends but his play is killing the Broncos. Before this week, he's had several drops and lacks the speed to get away from anyone. J.J. Watt is a better receiver at this point in his career. Honestly, I'd cut him. Surely there is somebody unsigned we could add who could fill that roster spot better.

(and, yes, I'm serious).

Nomad
12-07-2014, 07:43 PM
I think you just over reacted to the reaction to the fetal position, please don't hurt me guys, fumble. Now we know he's playing with hurt ribs.

Carol had mentioned that.

wayninja
12-07-2014, 07:43 PM
But he has 2td's! Who else could do that?

#AboveReproach

BroncoWave
12-07-2014, 07:49 PM
Tamme sucks. I don't see how his play this season could be defended.

Davii
12-07-2014, 07:49 PM
But he has 2td's! Who else could do that?

#AboveReproach

Nobody is learning this offense at the TE position and having an impact at this point of the season. Like it or not we cannot improve at that position by picking someone else up at this point.

wayninja
12-07-2014, 07:52 PM
Nobody is learning this offense at the TE position and having an impact at this point of the season. Like it or not we cannot improve at that position by picking someone else up at this point.

Not sure I advocated picking someone else up. Just because you don't have a good replacement doesn't mean you keep putting in garbage.

And honestly, that's like the worst argument to defend the guy. Not sure that was your intention, but it's like saying you can't cut off your bunion because you don't have a band-aid.

Pudge
12-07-2014, 07:57 PM
Nobody is learning this offense at the TE position and having an impact at this point of the season. Like it or not we cannot improve at that position by picking someone else up at this point.

But he's been mediocre! Why cast we sign Tony Scheffler or cut out wrists?? It's week 13! We can totally readjust our entire offense to adjust for mediocre play from a tight end who doesn't see the field that often. Maybe we could resign Shannon Sharpe?

BroncoWave
12-07-2014, 07:59 PM
But he's been mediocre! Why cast we sign Tony Scheffler or cut out wrists?? It's week 13! We can totally readjust our entire offense to adjust for mediocre play from a tight end who doesn't see the field that often. Maybe we could resign Shannon Sharpe?

Nice strawmen there.

I Eat Staples
12-07-2014, 07:59 PM
When JT is back, JT and Green should play. Tamme should sit on the bench.

You don't need to bring anyone in to replace him. He's an emergency option that shouldn't see the field if the guys in front of him are healthy. He's a bad player.

OB
12-07-2014, 08:00 PM
Nobody is learning this offense at the TE position and having an impact at this point of the season. Like it or not we cannot improve at that position by picking someone else up at this point.

Has he not been practicing with the team all year? Look at what Blount has done since going to the patriots. That's no excuse IMHO.

dogfish
12-07-2014, 08:03 PM
ban pudge!

wayninja
12-07-2014, 08:05 PM
But he's been mediocre! Why cast we sign Tony Scheffler or cut out wrists?? It's week 13! We can totally readjust our entire offense to adjust for mediocre play from a tight end who doesn't see the field that often. Maybe we could resign Shannon Sharpe?

Yes, because without Tamme, our "entire offense" has no identity! Thank god he fumbled exactly when we wanted him to today, otherwise the whole balance of the team would have been thrown out of whack! Even the most delicious apples have cyanide!

Dapper Dan
12-07-2014, 08:23 PM
He's a Bronco. I'll stick with him until he's no longer a Bronco.

Pudge
12-07-2014, 08:34 PM
Yes, because without Tamme, our "entire offense" has no identity! Thank god he fumbled exactly when we wanted him to today, otherwise the whole balance of the team would have been thrown out of whack! Even the most delicious apples have cyanide!

Exactly! No other Bronco has ever fumbled! That's why I hope he's executed in the most brutal means imaginable

wayninja
12-07-2014, 08:38 PM
Exactly! No other Bronco has ever fumbled! That's why I hope he's executed in the most brutal means imaginable

Remind me again why Trindon Holiday is no longer a Bronco?

Yeah, believe it or not fumbling can be a problem. But forgive me, I don't want to focus too much on just one of his faults. I mean, this is YOUR thread after all.

Dapper Dan
12-07-2014, 08:43 PM
Someone should look up Jacob Tamme's career fumbles.

Davii
12-07-2014, 08:54 PM
Has he not been practicing with the team all year? Look at what Blount has done since going to the patriots. That's no excuse IMHO.

Blount was on the Pats last year and already knows the offense. I'm not defending Tamme, I'm saying you don't improve the team at this point of the season by cutting him. Once JT is back he's a pine rider.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
12-07-2014, 08:59 PM
He was playing with hurt ribs. You could see him brace for the hit and wrap the ball up. He's always been a dependable player for us, so I think it's a little silly to flame the guy.

It looked to me like the pain was too much and probably shouldn't have been on the field.

aberdien
12-07-2014, 09:03 PM
I like him. Somebody has to give these white players a chance #NoJusticeNoPeace

Northman
12-07-2014, 09:06 PM
I like him. Somebody has to give these white players a chance #NoJusticeNoPeace

#whiteprivilege

compucomp
12-07-2014, 09:13 PM
You realize 7.6 yards per reception is actually quite pathetic, and that JJ Watt has 3 touchdowns?

I don't understand why you are on his jock when he is clearly useless in every phase of the game this year. You must be his agent or his brother.

Timmy!
12-07-2014, 09:27 PM
Since Peyton is obviously done at QB, maybe he can be our new TE.

Dapper Dan
12-07-2014, 09:35 PM
You realize 7.6 yards per reception is actually quite pathetic, and that JJ Watt has 3 touchdowns?

I don't understand why you are on his jock when he is clearly useless in every phase of the game this year. You must be his agent or his brother.

That's very hyperbolic. Which is what is so irritating. Say Tamme is declining or something. Saying he is completely useless in every phase of the game is completely ignorant. Did he beat you up in high school or something?

compucomp
12-07-2014, 09:40 PM
That's very hyperbolic. Which is what is so irritating. Say Tamme is declining or something. Saying he is completely useless in every phase of the game is completely ignorant. Did he beat you up in high school or something?

I watch the games, and he is, in fact, completely useless in every phase of the game this year. He's never been a blocker, and this year can't get open consistently and drops the ball. This fumble is the last straw. They cut McManus for being bad, they should cut this dude too. He's even taking up $2.2m of the cap. You're his agent too?

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
12-07-2014, 09:45 PM
You realize 7.6 yards per reception is actually quite pathetic, and that JJ Watt has 3 touchdowns?

I don't understand why you are on his jock when he is clearly useless in every phase of the game this year. You must be his agent or his brother.

Considering my Tamme t-shirts, my Tamme key chains, my Tamme posters, and my Tamme set of inspirational quotes I thought you might be right, but then I read some of your posts.

I now realize the issue is you really need a hug. Come here big fella.

Dapper Dan
12-07-2014, 09:52 PM
I watch the games, and he is, in fact, completely useless in every phase of the game this year. He's never been a blocker, and this year can't get open consistently and drops the ball. This fumble is the last straw. They cut McManus for being bad, they should cut this dude too. He's even taking up $2.2m of the cap. You're his agent too?

Nope. Just been watching his play closely for the past few years. He's not as good as he once was. He will be 30 soon. I appreciate the fact that he isn't a shitty person. He got replaced. He handled it well. He's played all over special teams. He's done whatever they've asked him to do. That fumble was the first of his career. I don't expect the guy to come out and put up great numbers. I expect our quarterback to do it. Which is a bigger issue, in my mind, since he had no touchdowns and two interceptions. He looked like shit compared to Kyle Orton. And this is the guy getting all of the money. I don't get the big deal with Tamme right now. This is the last year of his contract. I doubt the Broncos re-sign him. Is it really that important to cut him right at this second? Because a few fans have a little hissy fit? No. I don't get it at all. I keep getting told that Colquit is shitty. I keep getting told that Tamme is shitty. I keep hearing about their pay. Take a wild guess at who paid them. Blame that guy, if you want. I can pick any player in the team and repeat week after week that they suck and point out every mistake. I think that would be pretty stupid of me. I'd rather root for the guys in Orange and Blue, not trash them every single week. If talking garbage about an athlete gets you off then I'm sorry I ruined your boner. Try something more common like pornhub or xnxx.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
12-07-2014, 09:53 PM
Good grief, some people need hobbies. We're at odds over the 3rd string TE who fumbled because he's hurt.

wayninja
12-07-2014, 10:07 PM
Good grief, some people need hobbies. We're at odds over the 3rd string TE who fumbled because he's hurt.

Not sure anyone is at odds, but ironically the thread was started as some sort of preemptive rant.

The guy is terrible, an no, not because he fumbled (because he's hurt, which is somehow an excuse now). He's been terrible for a while and whether he's cut or not, he shouldn't really be the target of passes unless it's an emergency or no one is covering him. His play warrants that and only those not willing to see it are 'at odds' about it.

Dapper Dan
12-07-2014, 10:10 PM
So it's Peyton Manning's fault for targeting him.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
12-07-2014, 10:11 PM
Not sure anyone is at odds, but ironically the thread was started as some sort of preemptive rant.

The guy is terrible, an no, not because he fumbled (because he's hurt, which is somehow an excuse now). He's been terrible for a while and whether he's cut or not, he shouldn't really be the target of passes unless it's an emergency or no one is covering him. His play warrants that and only those not willing to see it are 'at odds' about it.

I don't think he's as bad as you do, but I don't think he should have been on the field, for different reasons.

Dapper Dan
12-07-2014, 10:11 PM
Not sure anyone is at odds, but ironically the thread was started as some sort of preemptive rant.

The guy is terrible, an no, not because he fumbled (because he's hurt, which is somehow an excuse now). He's been terrible for a while and whether he's cut or not, he shouldn't really be the target of passes unless it's an emergency or no one is covering him. His play warrants that and only those not willing to see it are 'at odds' about it.

I like how you try to state your opinion as fact. Tamme doesn't suck. The only people that think so don't really know what they're talking about. Damn. That was easy to do.

wayninja
12-07-2014, 10:21 PM
So it's Peyton Manning's fault for targeting him.

Sure, let's make it everyone's fault but his. Sounds exactly what this thread was designed for.


I like how you try to state your opinion as fact. Tamme doesn't suck. The only people that think so don't really know what they're talking about. Damn. That was easy to do.

So defensive... I didn't realize that we could only value players objectively. Let's go ahead and try to do that with all players, from now on. He doesn't suck, he's 64.7. For whatever that's worth. Hey, you are right! That makes the conversation so much more reasonable.

compucomp
12-07-2014, 10:31 PM
I like how you try to state your opinion as fact. Tamme doesn't suck. The only people that think so don't really know what they're talking about. Damn. That was easy to do.

You sound like Baghdad Bob declaring that the Americans will burn in their tanks when American APC's were in the camera's view. Worried that you'll lose out on your commissions once word gets out that your boy is a total scrub who can't play?

Dapper Dan
12-07-2014, 10:40 PM
You sound like Baghdad Bob declaring that the Americans will burn in their tanks when American APC's were in the camera's view. Worried that you'll lose out on your commissions once word gets out that your boy is a total scrub who can't play?

I have no idea whatever the hell you're talking about.

Tamme already got paid. It doesn't really matter.

Dapper Dan
12-07-2014, 10:41 PM
Sure, let's make it everyone's fault but his. Sounds exactly what this thread was designed for.



So defensive... I didn't realize that we could only value players objectively. Let's go ahead and try to do that with all players, from now on. He doesn't suck, he's 64.7. For whatever that's worth. Hey, you are right! That makes the conversation so much more reasonable.

Well come up with something, anything. You have pointed out zero plays. Now I know why you only post in the game day thread. You can't actually discuss anything. You want to say something stupid and move on.

Dapper Dan
12-07-2014, 10:42 PM
Who do you expect more out of, Manning or Tamme?

And you're the one saying he shouldn't be targeted. Who targeted him? Me? I didn't press the triangle button.

compucomp
12-07-2014, 10:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfAeMtcURg0

You're this guy right now. I don't know why you've decided to support Tamme, when he hasn't done a damn thing all year even though he's being called upon to fill Thomas's role. Last few weeks I've seen him try to run routes JT runs and Manning throw it to him but there's no completion because the receiving TE Tamme can't actually run routes and get open, has dropped balls, and now fumbles.

Dapper Dan
12-07-2014, 10:47 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfAeMtcURg0

You're this guy right now. I don't know why you've decided to support Tamme, when he hasn't done a damn thing all year even though he's being called upon to fill Thomas's role. Last few weeks I've seen him try to run routes JT runs and Manning throw it to him but there's no completion because the receiving TE Tamme can't actually run routes and get open, has dropped balls, and now fumbles.

More hyperbole.

Dapper Dan
12-07-2014, 10:48 PM
I guess I'll go back and review some games. I'll find some specifics. You should try doing the same. Be back later.

MOtorboat
12-07-2014, 11:13 PM
Well come up with something, anything. You have pointed out zero plays. Now I know why you only post in the game day thread. You can't actually discuss anything. You want to say something stupid and move on.

Well, last week he dropped a touchdown when he was wide open. Cost the Broncos 4 points.

This week he fumbled on the six yard line. As far as I'm concerned it cost Denver 7.

He directly cost Denver 11 points in two weeks. That's a real problem.

wayninja
12-08-2014, 12:22 AM
Well come up with something, anything. You have pointed out zero plays. Now I know why you only post in the game day thread. You can't actually discuss anything. You want to say something stupid and move on.

What's the point? You've already got the incredibly defensive blinders on. I pointed out plays in the game day threads and you got all butthurt. Here you are butthurt again. Pointing anything out is going to make you, well, butthurt.

You like the guy, good for you. I said what I wanted to say, go back to trying to convince everyone that he should stay on the football team because you like him as a person, I'm not interested in trying to change your mind.

capt. Jack
12-08-2014, 09:01 AM
Good grief, some people need hobbies. We're at odds over the 3rd string TE who fumbled because he's hurt.

That's funny!
:)

LTC Pain
12-08-2014, 09:12 AM
The Broncos will draft a TE in the 2015 draft.

Northman
12-08-2014, 09:20 AM
Is Tamme completely useless? No. But i have no idea why he was on the field if he was hurt. Turnovers hurt and luckily it didnt cost us the game by taking points away. He shouldnt of been on the field and im not sure why CJ was being put back out there either late in the game. Not sure what the coaching staff is thinking here.

OrangeHoof
12-08-2014, 09:51 AM
The Broncos will draft a TE in the 2015 draft.

Particularly if they don't re-sign Thomas. But they should anyway. They are one of the most versatile positions on the team, capable of being special teams players and emergency fullbacks. Some even grow up to become left tackles.

TXBRONC
12-08-2014, 11:23 AM
Tamme is one of Peyton's friends but his play is killing the Broncos. Before this week, he's had several drops and lacks the speed to get away from anyone. J.J. Watt is a better receiver at this point in his career. Honestly, I'd cut him. Surely there is somebody unsigned we could add who could fill that roster spot better.

(and, yes, I'm serious).

He still a good receiving tight end who right now is playing with hurt ribs.

TXBRONC
12-08-2014, 11:34 AM
Someone should look up Jacob Tamme's career fumbles.

Yeah it's dismal. He has all of one.

HORSEPOWER 56
12-09-2014, 08:00 AM
All the Tamme bashing aside, I am actually concerned about the TE position. JT bum ankle (4 weeks and counting), Tamme playing with sore ribs, Green coming back from injury and our only truly "healthy" TE. We're down to one healthy TE on the roster but we're still carrying 5 RBs with 2 unable to play. We have a huge (270 lbs) TE on the PS named Jones and I'm sure there are one or two street FAs that we could call if we wanted.

My biggest concern right now is what happens if Green gets injured. Tamme isn't much of a blocker and he's playing hurt. We don't even have a FB/H-back type on the roster unless they try to line up Thompson like one. I'm still just baffled that we haven't bitten the bullet and placed Ball on IR to free up a roster spot. It's the most confusing player management move I've seen. We cut/demote a healthy WR/KR to bring McManus back, but won't IR a guy who hasn't been healthy most of the season in a position where he's just not needed.

Dapper Dan
12-09-2014, 09:13 AM
So I'm looking back at the KC game. First drive is done.

I've noticed that Green's blocking doesn't look to have a huge impact on the run game. Having that 6th OL looks to be the difference.

Back to Tamme. He was in for two plays. Both 3rd downs. Both times he ran a route to clear the WR. First one was Sanders. Sanders ran a drag route from the left side of the field. Tamme was alone on the right side and ran a go route or a fade. He wasn't in camera view. Sanders caught it for a first. The next one he was lined up on the left side with DT. DT ran a go route and Tamme ran an out route. DT got the TD.

Dapper Dan
12-09-2014, 09:18 AM
Tamme was on punt return team. He wasn't in camera view on the return so I'm not sure how well he blocked. Burse got about 22 yards.

Dapper Dan
12-09-2014, 09:43 AM
Second drive.

Tamme comes back out on 3rd and 6. He's on the right side with Sanders. Both run go routes. DT runs a cut and gets the ball for the first. Tamme is the first player there to help him up. I've noticed he's usually the first player over to help a teammate up or congratulate him.

He stayed in for the next play. Lines up left of the LT. CJ gets a good gain to the right. Tamme does a good job blocking the safety. Probably didn't have an impact on the play but it was a textbook block and he stayed with it.

He stays in for the next play. He lines up in the same spot. He steps back in pass protection. Tamba Hali doesn't have time to get to Tamme before Peyton quickly throws it to Caldwall. I'm not sure why he threw it that fast. And he missed Caldwell. It's incomplete.

He's in for the next play too. He lines up on the inside of DT. Both are to the right. Both run go routes. Just like Sanders and Tamme did when DT caught the first down. Except Tamme is lined up by the RT instead of like a WR. It's almost like a back shoulder throw to DT. Peyton's pass is a little too out and high. DT can't pull it in.

Next play Trips right with Tamme on the outside, DT in the middle, and Welker on the inside. Tamme and DT run go routes to free up Welker. Welker catches the first down. Tamme cakes back to where Welker went down and goes down on one knee. Not sure if he's hurt or what. Probably winded.

Green makes a few good run blocks.

Third and 11. Trips left. Tamme alone to the right. Tamme engages the DB. CJ comes out of the backfield to the right side. He catches it and scores. Tamme goes to the ground. Looks hurt but gets off the field. Looks like his knee. Second drive over.

Dapper Dan
12-09-2014, 09:47 AM
Third drive we punt. Bolden makes a good tackle. Penalty. Bruton gets the first

OB
12-09-2014, 09:51 AM
db - what was your point?

Dapper Dan
12-09-2014, 09:57 AM
Tamme is back for this drive. I guess it's a continuation of the third. Third and 5. Trips left. Tamme on the outside. Runs a go route. Manning scrambles right and throws it to Sanders for the first. It looked like it was drawn up well. The DBs were confused. Virgil Green was on the outside, which seems different. I'm not sure what his route was but he ended up right behind Tamme. Which makes me wonder if they ran the routes that were drawn up or if it was one of those things where if you find a hole in the defense you go to it and sit.

Tamme comes back on second and goal. Trips right with Tamme in the middle. He beats his guy and sits. Peyton is forced to adjust his throw to the left of the DE who jumped up. He misses Tamme.

Next play. Trips right with Tamme on the inside. Tamme runs a little curl. Manning misses DT in the back of the endzone. FG.

Dapper Dan
12-09-2014, 09:57 AM
db - what was your point?

I thought I'd go back and review his plays. Is that not the thing to do?

Dapper Dan
12-09-2014, 10:03 AM
Well, last week he dropped a touchdown when he was wide open. Cost the Broncos 4 points.

This week he fumbled on the six yard line. As far as I'm concerned it cost Denver 7.

He directly cost Denver 11 points in two weeks. That's a real problem.

I'll use your own tactic. :lol: What's our record in those games?

Dapper Dan
12-09-2014, 10:04 AM
All the Tamme bashing aside, I am actually concerned about the TE position. JT bum ankle (4 weeks and counting), Tamme playing with sore ribs, Green coming back from injury and our only truly "healthy" TE. We're down to one healthy TE on the roster but we're still carrying 5 RBs with 2 unable to play. We have a huge (270 lbs) TE on the PS named Jones and I'm sure there are one or two street FAs that we could call if we wanted.

My biggest concern right now is what happens if Green gets injured. Tamme isn't much of a blocker and he's playing hurt. We don't even have a FB/H-back type on the roster unless they try to line up Thompson like one. I'm still just baffled that we haven't bitten the bullet and placed Ball on IR to free up a roster spot. It's the most confusing player management move I've seen. We cut/demote a healthy WR/KR to bring McManus back, but won't IR a guy who hasn't been healthy most of the season in a position where he's just not needed.

Youre right. I really hope we get healthy for the playoffs.

Zweems56
12-09-2014, 10:19 AM
Tamme was on punt return team. He wasn't in camera view on the return so I'm not sure how well he blocked. Burse got about 22 yards.

Yeah, but bro! We're UNDEFEATED with Virgil on the field! HE IS THE ANSWER

Zweems56
12-09-2014, 10:19 AM
Also, this thread is pure gold, jerry.

Dapper Dan
12-09-2014, 10:21 AM
Tamme comes back on first down after Green makes a nice first down play. He lines up right if the RT. Runs a go. Sanders to the right and runs an out, and catches it for the first. Same formation, next play. Tamme runs a post. Sanders runs a go and draws pass interference. Next play, same formation. Nearly the same play. Tamme runs a slant and Sanders runs a fade. Manning misses Sanders. Good coverage.

Skips a play. Trips left. Tamme outside. Welker middle. DT inside. Looks like Welker runs a go. Tamme and DT run curls. DT catches for the first. Next play. Tamme is left of the LT. Runs a short out route. Catches it for a 4 yard gain. Next play. Tamme lined up on the left inside. Runs a curl. He's open but DT is on the right and the DB gave DT too much room. Nearly a first down. Next play. Tamme is left of the LT. Pass blocks. Justin Houston knocks it down when Manning tries to throw right. FG.

That's all for the first half.

OB
12-09-2014, 10:25 AM
Jesus DB you have way too much time on your hands, dont you have work or a class to study for or something productive to do instead of analyzing the play of a TE who wouldn't touch the ball if JT was healthy

Dapper Dan
12-09-2014, 10:30 AM
Jesus DB you have way too much time on your hands, dont you have work or a class to study for or something productive to do instead of analyzing the play of a TE who wouldn't touch the ball if JT was healthy

That took about an hour to look through the first half. I'm just sitting on the bed and chilling with Amelia while the wife is asleep. It really wasn't that much trouble. But I guess I could have sat here and went from memory, but that wouldn't be too accurate. This is a message board for the Broncos. I'm not the only person that goes back and rewatches games.