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VonDoom
12-04-2014, 01:29 PM
I saw some people on the Mane talking about this. Apparently former NFL LB Chad Brown was in studio with Big Al and DMac yesterday on The Fan. Did anyone hear this? I'm not local, but I found this link online:

http://www.1043thefan.com/2014/12/03/orton-wants-revenge-the-drive/

Look down at hour three and click if you want to listen.

The gist of it is that Brown was at Mile High for "Lunch with a Legend" featuring Elway. Brown was not there as an NFL player, but as a guest of FedEx. He said that Elway might not have been as candid if he had known Brown was there, and might share his words. So take this for what you will - a second hand account of some things that Elway said regarding the current team. But if true, there are pretty interesting points here:

After the Rams game, Elway spoke to Peyton directly about how they had to "spread the responsibility around" regarding the run game. Elway talked about the end of his career and how they had a very important running game, and that they were hoping to put "less on Peyton's shoulders". Brown: "If Peyton would be receptive to anyone, it's 7"

Re: Will Montgomery. They talked about Elway being a Montgomery guy, and how he felt that Montgomery had the athleticism to get to the 2nd level and how he's a "better athlete at that position"

Re: running backs. Supposedly Elway confirmed that CJ's job as a starter is safe; the name Wally Pip came up in this interview a few times (Pip was the player Lou Gehrig replaced to begin his record games played streak). Brown: "He didn't say that (Hillman and Ball) have been 'Wally Pip-ed' ..." but implied that this was the general idea. Gase also allegedly spoke to Elway and asked if they "should run on every play." Elway said, "Don't do it to make a point; do it to win the game"

Re: McManus - According to Brown, Elway said they "were definitely hoping to bring McManus back before the end of the season". Elway was "high on McManus" but that "the moment was too big for him." Elway, via Brown: "He may be back before the end of the season as our kickoff guy."

Re: the defense, specifically in response to the idea that we don't blitz enough - "Our corners are good enough to blitz"

So take this with a grain of salt, but this might be an indication of how this team sets up for the rest of the year.

Northman
12-04-2014, 01:32 PM
Certainly makes sense, it wasnt until TD came along that Denver became a true contender and ended up getting a couple of championships. Just see if they can substain it throughout the rest of the season and into the playoffs.

tripp
12-04-2014, 01:34 PM
Man, I absolutely love Elway being the guy calling the shots. A respectable guy who doesn't tolerate much b.s., I think as long as we have him running things, we'll be in good shape. He won't settle for mediocrity.

Mike
12-04-2014, 01:39 PM
Gase also allegedly spoke to Elway and asked if they "should run on every play." Elway said, "Don't do it to make a point; do it to win the game

Interesting.

BroncoWave
12-04-2014, 02:08 PM
Glad to hear that on McManus. No big shocker there either. Kickoffs could be a huge issue for us down the stretch.

HORSEPOWER 56
12-04-2014, 02:16 PM
Glad to hear that on McManus. No big shocker there either. Kickoffs could be a huge issue for us down the stretch.

Amazing that after all that, the only thing you thought needed comment was bringing back McManus.

BroncoWave
12-04-2014, 02:23 PM
Amazing that after all that, the only thing you thought needed comment was bringing back McManus.

Ok? Sorry I guess? Would it make you happy if I broke down the rest of it too?

I just thought that was the most newsworthy thing in there, along with CJ being safe as the starter.

Ziggy
12-04-2014, 03:29 PM
Amazing that after all that, the only thing you thought needed comment was bringing back McManus.

You must have a beef with BW. I also found the McManus point very interesting. Folks on here were talking about what a waste it would be to bring him in as a kickoff specialist, punter, or both. Elway obviously thinks differently. I don't think that too many folks thought that CJ was going to lose the starting position, or that the run game shouldn't be emphasized more after the St. Louis game, or even that our corners aren't good enough to blitz.

Denver Native (Carol)
12-04-2014, 03:46 PM
With the running game now being as much a part of the offense as the passing game, and how the defense has been playing the last two weeks, sports people nationally and locally are saying that the Broncos are now a well rounded team, and they have a very good shot at winning the SB.

VonDoom
12-04-2014, 04:22 PM
With the running game now being as much a part of the offense as the passing game, and how the defense has been playing the last two weeks, sports people nationally and locally are saying that the Broncos are now a well rounded team, and they have a very good shot at winning the SB.

I certainly feel better about us as a TEAM than I did a few weeks ago.

MasterShake
12-04-2014, 04:51 PM
Thanks for posting, I caught this live yesterday on the radio and really enjoyed it. I love the fact that Elway was the one who told him that because you can tell they are both competitive men (and control freaks to an extent). Just before that interview Alfred mentioned the season that Reeves let Elway call his own plays more or less because of the tiff they were having and it turned out to be a big lesson to Elway in learning to trust others. I just hope this all translates to a balanced attack that carries us to another title. I feel we are a better team the last few weeks than we were at the end of last season already. I want to see it carry on to the Lombardi.

Denver Native (Carol)
12-04-2014, 05:09 PM
from initial post in this thread:


After the Rams game, Elway spoke to Peyton directly about how they had to "spread the responsibility around" regarding the run game. Elway talked about the end of his career and how they had a very important running game, and that they were hoping to put "less on Peyton's shoulders". Brown: "If Peyton would be receptive to anyone, it's 7"

Is any one else wondering if this talk was just between John and Peyton, as there is no mention that Gase was included. If Gase was not included, does that indicate that Peyton runs the offense, not Gase.

This is interesting - but right now on Altitude - Sports Summit Pro Football, with Todd Romero, Victor Rogers, and Eddie Mac, they are talking about the offense, and Eddie Mac just stated that he gives Coach Fox the credit, as he sat down with Peyton, and is the one that said there needs to be a more balanced offense. Maybe Elway said it first, and then Coach Fox repeated it. Guess we will never know for sure.

GEM
12-04-2014, 05:14 PM
Amazing that after all that, the only thing you thought needed comment was bringing back McManus.

Why? Because it proves what some were so vehemently denying? Does it matter what was pointed out....it is a discussion board, right?

HORSEPOWER 56
12-04-2014, 05:36 PM
Amazing that after all that, the only thing you thought needed comment was bringing back McManus.

Why? Because it proves what some were so vehemently denying? Does it matter what was pointed out....it is a discussion board, right?

No, I'm just amused that folks were willing to give McManus enough rope to hang himself (which he did, forcing the Barth signing in the first place), but aren't willing to see if Barth can kick off in more than his first game back in the league kicking a frozen football in 20+ mph winds.

I have no problem with them re-signing McManus to practice squad to develop, but everyone acting like bringing him back is somehow the key that's gonna bring us a championship is amusing.

Especially when the article sighted gave a ton of behind the scenes things that you normally don't hear about. How many GMs have meetings with their HOF QBs about strategy? That's HUGE IMO. It just seems like all some people got out of it was that Elway wanted to bring back McManus as if he's the key piece to a championship.

BroncoWave
12-04-2014, 05:40 PM
No, I'm just amused that folks were willing to give McManus enough rope to hang himself (which he did, forcing the Barth signing in the first place), but aren't willing to see if Barth can kick off in more than his first game back in the league kicking a frozen football in 20+ mph winds.

I have no problem with them re-signing McManus to practice squad to develop, but everyone acting like bringing him back is somehow the key that's gonna bring us a championship is amusing.

Especially when the article sighted gave a ton of behind the scenes things that you normally don't hear about. How many GMs have meetings with their HOF QBs about strategy? That's HUGE IMO. It just seems like all some people got out of it was that Elway wanted to bring back McManus as if he's the key piece to a championship.

OK, then discuss those things. You are allowed to talk about other parts of the article while other people talk about McManus. You are also laying the hyperbole on a little thick here. No one is saying our title hopes hinge on him kicking off. It's just an important issue to talk about with many fans right now.

Denver Native (Carol)
12-04-2014, 05:42 PM
No, I'm just amused that folks were willing to give McManus enough rope to hang himself (which he did, forcing the Barth signing in the first place), but aren't willing to see if Barth can kick off in more than his first game back in the league kicking a frozen football in 20+ mph winds.

I have no problem with them re-signing McManus to practice squad to develop, but everyone acting like bringing him back is somehow the key that's gonna bring us a championship is amusing.

Especially when the article sighted gave a ton of behind the scenes things that you normally don't hear about. How many GMs have meetings with their HOF QBs about strategy? That's HUGE IMO. It just seems like all some people got out of it was that Elway wanted to bring back McManus as if he's the key piece to a championship.

If Barth had kicked off at Tampa Bay while he was there, I would agree that perhaps the field conditions at KC caused the poor kickoffs. But since Tampa Bay had someone else kick off, that tells me that Barth just might have a problem with distance on his kickoffs, verified by TB not using him for kickoffs.

GEM
12-04-2014, 05:42 PM
No, but the opposite team starting at the 40 or better every time is a sure way to lose a championship.

GEM
12-04-2014, 05:44 PM
If Barth had kicked off at Tampa Bay while he was there, I would agree that perhaps the field conditions at KC caused the poor kickoffs. But since Tampa Bay had someone else kick off, that tells me that Barth just might have a problem with distance on his kickoffs, verified by TB not using him for kickoffs.

Exactly....all the posters on that side keep thinking it's based on one game in KC in swirling winds. NO, it's based on his history of even being younger and not being able to kickoff, then you add in an achilles tear and a few years age and he's just magically going to be able to kickoff all the sudden. Come on, seriously.

HORSEPOWER 56
12-04-2014, 05:45 PM
No, but the opposite team starting at the 40 or better every time is a sure way to lose a championship.

Because that used to happen all the time when teams kicked off from the 30 and touchbacks were a rarity, right? :confused:

BroncoWave
12-04-2014, 05:50 PM
Because that used to happen all the time when teams kicked off from the 30 and touchbacks were a rarity, right? :confused:

No, because every team faced that same obstable. Nowadays, most teams have kickers who can get touchbacks consistently, so being one of the teams that doesn't have that creates a disadvantage.

Denver Native (Carol)
12-04-2014, 05:51 PM
Obviously Elway & Co felt the short kickoffs were a problem, or they would not have brought McManus back. That's more than good enough for me.

GEM
12-04-2014, 05:52 PM
Because that used to happen all the time when teams kicked off from the 30 and touchbacks were a rarity, right? :confused:

Worked out well for us on Sunday, right? So much so that the VP re-enlisted the cut kicker...You can keep arguing it, I'll stick with Elway.

HORSEPOWER 56
12-04-2014, 06:03 PM
Worked out well for us on Sunday, right? So much so that the VP re-enlisted the cut kicker...You can keep arguing it, I'll stick with Elway.

I think McManus is an insurance policy, but I don't see him getting on the active roster unless Barth just stinks it up. We're way too injured at the skill positions to carry 3 kickers on the active 53, and more important, the active 46 on gameday.

I completely support Elway, and have never questioned his judgment especially with the McManus situation. Like I said, I'm fine with bringing him back. It's just a sad situation that we're looking at having to carry 3 kickers on gameday because McManus can't hit a FG >30 yards, Barth can't kick touchbacks, and the STs can't cover a kick return. At some point, just throwing more bodies at a bad situation is ineffective.

GEM
12-04-2014, 06:22 PM
I think McManus is an insurance policy, but I don't see him getting on the active roster unless Barth just stinks it up. We're way too injured at the skill positions to carry 3 kickers on the active 53, and more important, the active 46 on gameday.

I completely support Elway, and have never questioned his judgment especially with the McManus situation. Like I said, I'm fine with bringing him back. It's just a sad situation that we're looking at having to carry 3 kickers on gameday because McManus can't hit a FG >30 yards, Barth can't kick touchbacks, and the STs can't cover a kick return. At some point, just throwing more bodies at a bad situation is ineffective.

I just don't think there was anyone out there that we could have taken that could do both, though I did read that Feely had a better tryout than Barth, but age was a factor.

Denver Native (Carol)
12-04-2014, 06:37 PM
I just don't think there was anyone out there that we could have taken that could do both, though I did read that Feely had a better tryout than Barth, but age was a factor.


Bears sign kicker Jay Feely
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000438232/article/bears-sign-kicker-jay-feely

May see Feely kick tonight

Simple Jaded
12-04-2014, 11:30 PM
So, did Elway say the CB's ARE good enough to blitz or AREN'T good enough to blitz?

NightTrainLayne
12-04-2014, 11:40 PM
So, did Elway say the CB's ARE good enough to blitz or AREN'T good enough to blitz?

I think he said that our CB's are good enough that the defense can blitz and leave them in MTM coverage.

dogfish
12-05-2014, 02:47 AM
No, I'm just amused that folks were willing to give McManus enough rope to hang himself (which he did, forcing the Barth signing in the first place), but aren't willing to see if Barth can kick off in more than his first game back in the league kicking a frozen football in 20+ mph winds.

I have no problem with them re-signing McManus to practice squad to develop, but everyone acting like bringing him back is somehow the key that's gonna bring us a championship is amusing.

Especially when the article sighted gave a ton of behind the scenes things that you normally don't hear about. How many GMs have meetings with their HOF QBs about strategy? That's HUGE IMO. It just seems like all some people got out of it was that Elway wanted to bring back McManus as if he's the key piece to a championship.

didn't you hear, brah? mcmanus is the new peyton hillis. . .



and the part about the corners being good enough to blitz is absolutely the most interesting part if this is true. . . i don't see how there can be much question about that. . . high school level special teams and O-line juggling aside, our refusal to bring pressure-- and the resulting inability to get off the field on third down-- has been probably our single biggest weakness this year. . . i sure know i've spent too many sundays asking myself "WTF are they doing out there on defense?!" jack of the river has been calling plays like a big poosy, and it was past time for it to stop. . . you don't pay to add talib, and invest picks in kayvon and roby, AND try to extend harris just so you can sit back in zones or soft off-man all the time when it counts. . .

look, kick-offs aren't unimportant, but let's be real-- special teams is still the distant third phase of the game, unless you have turnovers there. . . pass rush and third down defense are vastly more important phases, and it will be significant news if del rio's really been given notice to get his head out of his ass and let the f***in' dogs loose. . .

:defense:

silkamilkamonico
12-05-2014, 08:25 AM
I think he said that our CB's are good enough that the defense can blitz and leave them in MTM coverage.

That must be obvious to everyone but Del Rio.

Our defense isn't made to play in a Del Rio defense. Del Rio likes to sit back in coverage and get pressure with the front 4. We can get pressure with the front 4, but individually our defense is made up of guys that want to be aggressive and make plays, not sit back in coverage. You take aggressive guys that want to make plays and stick them into a passive defense it isn't utilizing their strengths. I can't believe nobody has informed Del Rio on this yet.

BroncoWave
12-05-2014, 08:28 AM
didn't you hear, brah? mcmanus is the new peyton hillis. . .



and the part about the corners being good enough to blitz is absolutely the most interesting part if this is true. . . i don't see how there can be much question about that. . . high school level special teams and O-line juggling aside, our refusal to bring pressure-- and the resulting inability to get off the field on third down-- has been probably our single biggest weakness this year. . . i sure know i've spent too many sundays asking myself "WTF are they doing out there on defense?!" jack of the river has been calling plays like a big poosy, and it was past time for it to stop. . . you don't pay to add talib, and invest picks in kayvon and roby, AND try to extend harris just so you can sit back in zones or soft off-man all the time when it counts. . .

look, kick-offs aren't unimportant, but let's be real-- special teams is still the distant third phase of the game, unless you have turnovers there. . . pass rush and third down defense are vastly more important phases, and it will be significant news if del rio's really been given notice to get his head out of his ass and let the f***in' dogs loose. . .

:defense:

Well apparently John Elway thinks kickoffs are importnt enough to potentially use a third roster spot on a kicker. But he probably doesn't know anything about football either, right?

HORSEPOWER 56
12-05-2014, 08:33 AM
jack of the river

I LOL'ed at this. Jack of the river, awesome.

TXBRONC
12-05-2014, 12:47 PM
Certainly makes sense, it wasnt until TD came along that Denver became a true contender and ended up getting a couple of championships. Just see if they can substain it throughout the rest of the season and into the playoffs.

There are some people who think you don't need a real running game in this League. Not accurate by any stretch but there it is.

underrated29
12-05-2014, 01:25 PM
Well apparently John Elway thinks kickoffs are importnt enough to potentially use a third roster spot on a kicker. But he probably doesn't know anything about football either, right?



I dont see how that matters, personally. We have that rb on the 52 man roster that we waived bibbs for. He does not and has not contributed. Why wouldnt we just let him go and get a liitle somethibg (more then we were getting from that rb anyway). Actively doing so is whst the gm does. He does not call the defense nor has elway coached defenses. He does however oversee them. Speaking up about those issues is a good thing i think. I would love it if wwe brought the heat. With our cbs snd pass rushers the qb would have little time at all to get the pass off let alone complete it.

Hawgdriver
12-05-2014, 04:04 PM
Gase also allegedly spoke to Elway and asked if they "should run on every play." Elway said, "Don't do it to make a point; do it to win the game"

Rushing yards vs. Bronco's opponents

Seattle - 38
New England - 18
St. Louis - 29

Other games, avg: 100

TXBRONC
12-05-2014, 04:14 PM
I dont see how that matters, personally. We have that rb on the 52 man roster that we waived bibbs for. He does not and has not contributed. Why wouldnt we just let him go and get a liitle somethibg (more then we were getting from that rb anyway). Actively doing so is whst the gm does. He does not call the defense nor has elway coached defenses. He does however oversee them. Speaking up about those issues is a good thing i think. I would love it if wwe brought the heat. With our cbs snd pass rushers the qb would have little time at all to get the pass off let alone complete it.

It's a 53 man roster under. :tsk:

BroncoWave
12-05-2014, 04:17 PM
You're such a n00b, ur.

underrated29
12-06-2014, 12:34 AM
Sorry guys. I am ashamed. ��

You may have noticed the abnormal spelling errors. My arm is still in a sling and I was trying to type with one hand.