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Tned
10-28-2014, 10:24 PM
I'm having to make a few changes to ads placed on the BroncosForums.com site. This year, my ad revenue has fallen through the floor.

In past years, during the five or six months of football season, I made enough revenue to cover the cost of the site in those months, some months even a little extra, and then in the offseason, had the revenue fall quite a bit short of the monthly expenses. Over the course of the year, the ad revenue always falls short of the cost of the server, backup/test server and other things I do (probably overkill) to try and make sure BroncosForums has as close to zero downtime as possible, and runs as fast as possible and can handle a load spike if there is "huge" Broncos news. Last September, for instance, I upgraded the server to a new much faster server with more RAM and both an SSD RAID (faster than traditional drives) and 1 TB traditional RAID for speed and redundancy.

All of that is fine, because I'm a passionate fan and this is one of the ways I show my support for the Broncos and Broncos community.

That said, my revenue has been steadily declining, which means what I subsidize every month has been increasing, because advertisers are getting pickier and pickier about what they pay for. I've tried to make ads as unobtrusive as possible putting many of them at the bottom of pages, or at the end of a thread, but advertisers have started paying pennies (actually fractions of pennies -- $.0001 for each ad displayed lower in pages) for ads like this. They are requiring ads to be "above the fold" or they pay virtually nothing. Above the fold is an old newspaper term, which meant literally, above the fold on a newspaper, such that you would see it in a newspaper dispenser. In the online world, they translate above the fold to mean it's viewed when you pull up the page without scrolling down. With the exception of a couple ads on the home page, none of my ads are visible when a page first displays, so they are not above the fold, and therefore on the most frequently visited pages (User CP, what's new, threads themselves, etc.) I get paid virtually nothing for each ad display.

So, I'm going to have to make a few changes, to try and get a little closer to break even. The main difference is putting a new ad towards the top of the page, which you can see below the navigation bar. Most of the time it will be an ad like you see, but every once in a while, when the advertisers are running a higher paying campaign, it will be a little wider and about twice as tall as this standard ad, but in the same location. They limited how many times these larger billboard ads runs, so for a given advertiser, you will only see it a few times a day. By and large, I don't think this is going to change the feel of the site much, other than being not quite as "clean" with that ad near the top.

If possible, I would ask you not to use ad blockers on BroncosForums, or if you do use an ad blocker, to white list BroncosForums so the ads on this site display. Nobody likes ads, but the primary server rental and server support is over $350 a month, which doesn't include the cost of the backup server used to store backups off the server, in case of a complete crash, testing server for upgrades, domain and forum fees, the monthly fee for the monitoring company that checks every two minutes to make sure BroncosForums is up, and alerts me if BroncosForums has been down for more than six minutes, etc.

What the ad company recommended and said most sites are going to and that advertisers pay the most for, are those ads you are seeing more and more, where before going to to a site, it redirects you to a full page ad, and they usually have a "continue to site" link in the upper right. I don't like those and I Know you wouldn't either. So, I told them that was out. Instead, I've added the new ad on top, and might see if there is anyplace to stick another non, or not too, obtrusive ad above the fold. Beyond that, I'm going to try and not make any other changes to the site and see how revenues look over the next month or two.

Thanks in advance for your understanding, and sorry I have had to add another ad or two and put them in more "in your face" locations.

T

Pudge
10-28-2014, 10:30 PM
Do forum runner ads pay you?

Tned
10-28-2014, 10:33 PM
Do forum runner ads pay you?

This will sound bad, but I think so. To be honest, It's been so long since I setup forum runner, I can't remember how that was setup or if I ever submitted my W9 and bank details to get paid. I need to check on that.

SR
10-28-2014, 10:34 PM
This will sound bad, but I think so. To be honest, It's been so long since I setup forum runner, I can't remember how that was setup or if I ever submitted my W9 and bank details to get paid. I need to check on that.

Clash of clans lining your pocketbook eh T?



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Tned
10-28-2014, 10:52 PM
Clash of clans lining your pocketbook eh T?



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lol, maybe. I'm not sure if those are context sensitive like web ads. I really need to figure out where those are served Ad Whirl I think, which no longer exists, so it was migrated to something owned by Google.

Dapper Dan
10-28-2014, 11:10 PM
Whitelisted the site. I hope it helps.

Pudge
10-28-2014, 11:14 PM
Dirty girls, they must check my browser history

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Dapper Dan
10-28-2014, 11:21 PM
Dirty girls, they must check my browser history

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Maybe it's an ad for Broncos Forums ;)

Tned
10-28-2014, 11:35 PM
Dirty girls, they must check my browser history

<img src="http://www.broncosforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=5944"/>

Which is why I get ads targeting tea totaling southern gentlemen.

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chazoe60
10-28-2014, 11:45 PM
Tned, mark this ****** up like a Nascar for all I care, as long as the people and content remains the same I support you 100%. I love this place and if some ads on the page make this better and easier on you I'm all for it. Thanks!

Shazam!
10-29-2014, 01:10 AM
Wow, it costs you $400 a month to run this ****?!

Timmy!
10-29-2014, 03:22 AM
Nice post Joel....errrrrr, I mean Tned :D Do what needs done man, this site is awesome. As for clash of clans, I wl petition supercell and see if my lvl 114 can donate gold/elixer to fund the site :lol:

sneakers
10-29-2014, 04:28 AM
Nice post Joel....errrrrr, I mean Tned :D Do what needs done man, this site is awesome. As for clash of clans, I wl petition supercell and see if my lvl 114 can donate gold/elixer to fund the site :lol:

I swear Joel is by far the most effective troll this place has ever known, because I don't think he even realizes it

Timmy!
10-29-2014, 05:01 AM
I swear Joel is by far the most effective troll this place has ever known, because I don't think he even realizes it

True. He puts WTE to shame.

Tned
10-29-2014, 07:43 AM
Wow, it costs you $400 a month to run this ****?!

No.

It's over $500 a month when you include everything, such as the server monitoring, backup server (low cost -- $58 a month server) that just houses backup files for the site, etc.

Slick
10-29-2014, 08:20 AM
5945My ads are in Spanish Tned.

Tned
10-29-2014, 08:29 AM
5945My ads are in Spanish Tned.

Yea, when I travel to Germany on business, my ads typically start showing up in German.

Slick
10-29-2014, 08:46 AM
Yea, when I travel to Germany on business, my ads typically start showing up in German.

Does it help you if we actually click on the ads?

GEM
10-29-2014, 08:46 AM
Do you get paid more if the ads are clicked?

GEM
10-29-2014, 08:46 AM
Jinx Slickster! :D

Tned
10-29-2014, 08:56 AM
These days, I think mostly it's paid based on displays, not clicks. That said, Google will cancel any account where they see a site encouraging ad clicking or creating a site that creates fake clicks.

Joel
10-29-2014, 08:59 AM
True. He puts WTE to shame.
I clearly don't, despite numerous comments about Spygate or NEs scrub WRs: He's immune to shame. ;)

GEM
10-29-2014, 09:16 AM
Can we NOT turn this into a Joel thread.

Thanks!

BroncoJoe
10-29-2014, 09:23 AM
Would you be able to center the ad at the top, or move it to the right?

PS - Thanks, Tned for giving us this site!

tomjonesrocks
10-29-2014, 09:32 AM
Do the modal/slide-out animated banners pay more? I just got one sliding in slowly from left to center for sleep aids, never noticed those before (but generally browse with mobile).

Is setting up one of those Amazon click-through banners an option (like all the podcasters have)? This link probably sucks, but was one of the first results.
http://www.problogger.net/archives/2013/04/24/the-ultimate-guide-to-making-money-with-the-amazon-affiliate-program/

underrated29
10-29-2014, 10:30 AM
I think everytime someone hijacks a thread about Joel, tend, said person must go to a page with a click through ad and click through it.

blamkin86
10-29-2014, 10:48 AM
Whitelisted. Love the site although I don't visit as much as some.

FWIW only 3 trackers are showing up anyway. Something like ABCNews has 12+ of the damned things; I've seen sites with 50.

Tned
10-29-2014, 11:44 AM
Would you be able to center the ad at the top, or move it to the right?

PS - Thanks, Tned for giving us this site!

I tried centering it last night and failed. Lol. I'm going to work on that.

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Tned
10-29-2014, 11:47 AM
Do the modal/slide-out animated banners pay more? I just got one sliding in slowly from left to center for sleep aids, never noticed those before (but generally browse with mobile).

Is setting up one of those Amazon click-through banners an option (like all the podcasters have)? This link probably sucks, but was one of the first results.
http://www.problogger.net/archives/2013/04/24/the-ultimate-guide-to-making-money-with-the-amazon-affiliate-program/


I'm not sure. I'll take a look at that site. I was told the highest paying are the ones that auto redirect you to a full page ad for like seven seconds, but also let you click continue to site. The next highest is are those that appear when the page first loads without having to scroll down.

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Valar Morghulis
10-29-2014, 11:52 AM
You could probably squeeze another one in above the Apple/droid/twitter badges as well - like someone else said, light it up like a nascar lol

MileHighCrew
10-29-2014, 12:26 PM
I'm for anything that needs to be done. Love this site.

MileHighCrew
10-29-2014, 12:29 PM
I just noticed the ad placement on profootballtalk.com they have an ad above the title banner of the main page. I didn't even notice it was there but would be WAY above the fold. You could ad another add there and double up on that profit there. Just a suggestion

Tned
10-29-2014, 03:24 PM
You could probably squeeze another one in above the Apple/droid/twitter badges as well - like someone else said, light it up like a nascar lol

I've thought about a small one there. I might see how the small ones pay. That's also a tough place from a formatting perspective.

Tned
10-29-2014, 03:25 PM
I just noticed the ad placement on profootballtalk.com they have an ad above the title banner of the main page. I didn't even notice it was there but would be WAY above the fold. You could ad another add there and double up on that profit there. Just a suggestion

Yea, good thinking.

OB
10-29-2014, 03:40 PM
Whatever you need to do to deter your personal expense - dang - $500 bucks a month the broncos should give you season tickets :)

Slick
10-29-2014, 04:43 PM
Yeah, I know I take this place for granted. if I had to pay $6,000 bucks a year to talk to you guys, well, we wouldn't be here anymore.

Thanks for the last 7 years Tned. I had no idea.

weazel
10-29-2014, 05:27 PM
lay ads all over the site TNED, do what you need to do. What do they pay for side banners? I think those get you more don't they?

Are any of them pay per click? I know there has to be unique users clicking them so I guess that's no use as there are only so many of us on here.

Tned
10-29-2014, 06:36 PM
Yeah, I know I take this place for granted. if I had to pay $6,000 bucks a year to talk to you guys, well, we wouldn't be here anymore.

Thanks for the last 7 years Tned. I had no idea.

Fortunately, because of ads, and the period we were doing donations, it's never been $6k out of pocket, but most years are over $1k. This year will be the worst by far, because ad revenues fell off a cliff, but work and travel have been so bad that I'll just now dealing with it.

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OB
10-29-2014, 07:15 PM
Ya but you put a lot of time into the upkeep and time is money. I think you know you have the full support of all of us for you to do whatever is best for you and the site :salute:

Dapper Dan
10-29-2014, 10:08 PM
You're like our Pat Bowlen.

Dapper Dan
10-29-2014, 10:09 PM
If anything happens to you, do you have kids to take care of the site?

Tned
10-29-2014, 10:50 PM
If anything happens to you, do you have kids to take care of the site?

A really smart standard poodle.

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slim
10-29-2014, 11:10 PM
So do I need to click on some ads or something?

Tned
10-29-2014, 11:16 PM
So do I need to click on some ads or something?

No, you should only do that if you are genuinely interested in the product being advertised.

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OB
10-31-2014, 10:21 AM
No, you should only do that if you are genuinely interested in the product being advertised.

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Forum Runner


Are you just saying that because you have to (ie....someone is always watching ;) ;) )

WTE
10-31-2014, 11:41 AM
I'm occasionally getting error messages in the ad banners.

weazel
10-31-2014, 12:17 PM
Hey TNED I just want to point out that some of the ads dont open in new tab so they take us away from the forum, like the "_blank" attribure isn't being used.

OB
11-01-2014, 10:56 AM
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Lmao!!!! :lol:

Dapper Dan
11-16-2014, 08:13 PM
I don't like this.

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WTE
11-16-2014, 08:19 PM
I don't like this.

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That's right baby. We're not old. We are the same, great NEW ENGLAND!

OB
11-16-2014, 11:07 PM
Something needs to be done about this T. It's unacceptable :screwy: