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Denver Native (Carol)
10-10-2014, 02:54 PM
Running back Juwan Thompson was a full participant in the Broncos' Friday practice after being limited on Thursday with a knee injury. The Broncos listed him as probable for Sunday's game at the New York Jets.

"He's had a good week and we're counting on him for the game versus the Jets," head coach John Fox said.

The Broncos reported full participation of all other injured players, except for running ball Montee Ball, who is out for several weeks with a groin injury. Listed as probable for Sunday are cornerback Chris Harris (knee), linebacker Lerentee McCray (knee), kicker Brandon McManus (right groin), wide receiver Andre Caldwell (knee) and safety David Bruton (ankle).

rest - Jets questionable players
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_26703294/broncos-go-through-final-practice-juwan-thompson-expected

Northman
10-10-2014, 03:39 PM
Jt2!!!!!!!!!!!!

Joel
10-10-2014, 03:53 PM
I think Thompsons straight ahead hard-nosed running suits our lines straight ahead hard-nosed abilities far better than Hillmans shiftiness—but our misdirection playcalls suit Hillman far better. I'm VERY interested in whether our offensive coaches ever figure out that if Franklin moved well enough to pull or Clark moved well enough for ZBS blocking, agile speed rushers wouldn't consistently own them at OT.

They both stonewall power pass rushers just as consistently, so I REALLY wish we'd start using that for all the ample line surge it produces in concert with Clady, Ramirez and Vasquez, and stop trying to live on traps, counters and draws our blockers (especially the main pulling guard) have proven they can't execute. If that ever happens, Thompson could destroy people—but so might Ball and/or Anderson. Think about our relatively few long runs so far, and then think about how many were straight ahead between the tackles. THAT'S who we need to be on the ground; as long as we have PFM, a steady 4-5 yds/att is plenty.

Ravage!!!
10-10-2014, 03:56 PM
I think Thompsons straight ahead hard-nosed running suits our lines straight ahead hard-nosed abilities far better than Hillmans shiftiness—but our misdirection playcalls suit Hillman far better. I'm VERY interested in whether our offensive coaches ever figure out that if Franklin moved well enough to pull or Clark moved well enough for ZBS blocking, agile speed rushers wouldn't consistently own them at OT.

They both stonewall power pass rushers just as consistently, so I REALLY wish we'd start using that for all the ample line surge it produces in concert with Clady, Ramirez and Vasquez, and stop trying to live on traps, counters and draws our blockers (especially the main pulling guard) have proven they can't execute. If that ever happens, Thompson could destroy people—but so might Ball and/or Anderson. Think about our relatively few long runs so far, and then think about how many were straight ahead between the tackles. THAT'S who we need to be on the ground; as long as we have PFM, a steady 4-5 yds/att is plenty.

Nah.. they can't possibly have the skills of seeing anything that you do. I mean, what do they know compared to you and your book knowledge coaching?

Joel
10-10-2014, 04:01 PM
Nah.. they can't possibly have the skills of seeing anything that you do. I mean, what do they know compared to you and your book knowledge coaching?
Rushing Offense


Rk
Tm
G
Att
Yds
TD
Lng
Y/A
Y/G
Fmb
EXP


1
Dallas Cowboys (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2014.htm)
5
163
800
5
44
4.9
160.0
9
-0.13


2
Houston Texans (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/htx/2014.htm)
6
183
771
6
46
4.2
128.5
8
-20.17


3
San Francisco 49ers (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sfo/2014.htm)
5
162
725
3
28
4.5
145.0
3
-11.63


4
New York Jets (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nyj/2014.htm)
5
145
696
4
71
4.8
139.2
10
-0.71


5
Indianapolis Colts (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/clt/2014.htm)
6
187
692
4
29
3.7
115.3
8
-25.80


6
Kansas City Chiefs (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/kan/2014.htm)
5
147
688
6
48
4.7
137.6
6
-1.80


7
Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/pit/2014.htm)
5
136
686
3
81
5.0
137.2
6
6.40


8
Seattle Seahawks (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sea/2014.htm)
4
123
669
5
51
5.4
167.3
7
24.85


9
New Orleans Saints (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nor/2014.htm)
5
129
665
7
62
5.2
133.0
5
14.53


10
Minnesota Vikings (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/min/2014.htm)
5
142
650
6
67
4.6
130.0
5
2.89


11
Baltimore Ravens (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rav/2014.htm)
5
134
628
5
41
4.7
125.6
5
3.49


12
Tennessee Titans (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/oti/2014.htm)
5
125
627
3
38
5.0
125.4
6
0.05


13
New England Patriots (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/2014.htm)
5
151
610
3
43
4.0
122.0
8
-4.37


14
New York Giants (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nyg/2014.htm)
5
163
605
5
23
3.7
121.0
6
-8.93


15
Atlanta Falcons (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/atl/2014.htm)
5
123
577
6
48
4.7
115.4
6
5.41


16
Cleveland Browns (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/cle/2014.htm)
4
127
574
5
29
4.5
143.5
1
15.11


17
Miami Dolphins (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/mia/2014.htm)
4
114
569
3
24
5.0
142.3
8
-8.17


18
Buffalo Bills (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2014.htm)
5
133
538
1
47
4.0
107.6
6
-21.09


19
Washington Redskins (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/was/2014.htm)
5
127
524
6
23
4.1
104.8
7
-9.89


20
Chicago Bears (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/2014.htm)
5
119
512
1
25
4.3
102.4
9
-2.59


21
Philadelphia Eagles (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/phi/2014.htm)
5
130
493
3
49
3.8
98.6
9
-14.15


22
Tampa Bay Buccaneers (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/tam/2014.htm)
5
106
452
4
54
4.3
90.4
11
-10.89


23
Green Bay Packers (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/2014.htm)
5
111
448
4
29
4.0
89.6
5
-13.07


24
Cincinnati Bengals (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/cin/2014.htm)
4
120
444
5
16
3.7
111.0
3
-1.77


25
San Diego Chargers (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sdg/2014.htm)
5
157
440
2
52
2.8
88.0
5
-31.23


26
St. Louis Rams (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/ram/2014.htm)
4
104
437
2
18
4.2
109.3
10
-17.93


27
Detroit Lions (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/det/2014.htm)
5
133
418
4
26
3.1
83.6
8
-13.94


28
Carolina Panthers (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/car/2014.htm)
5
120
374
2
22
3.1
74.8
9
-31.54


29
Arizona Cardinals (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/crd/2014.htm)
4
100
354
2
22
3.5
88.5
4
-13.22


30
Jacksonville Jaguars (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/jax/2014.htm)
5
95
335
1
20
3.5
67.0
6
-14.59


31
Denver Broncos (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/den/2014.htm)
4
99
318
2
23
3.2
79.5
3
-19.09


32
Oakland Raiders (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rai/2014.htm)
4
72
246
1
41
3.4
61.5
6
-18.44



Avg Team

130.6
548.9
3.7
39
4.2
114.1
6.5
-7.6

BroncoJoe
10-10-2014, 04:13 PM
Hi Joel. We have PFM. We don't run the ball that much. 29th in rushing attempts, so it makes sense we'd have the 2nd or 3rd lowest total yards.

Joel
10-10-2014, 05:01 PM
Hi Joel. We have PFM. We don't run the ball that much. 29th in rushing attempts, so it makes sense we'd have the 2nd or 3rd lowest total yards.
Hi, Joe. We're 25th in attempts, not 29th: We're 29th in AVERAGE, which has nothing to do with how much we run but everything to do with how BADLY we do it.

BroncoJoe
10-10-2014, 05:03 PM
Hi, Joe. We're also 29th in rushing AVERAGE, which has nothing to do with how much we run but everything to do with how BADLY we do it.

I'd dispute that. Hard to get into a rhythm only running it a handfull of times/game.

Joel
10-10-2014, 05:29 PM
I'd dispute that. Hard to get into a rhythm only running it a handfull of times/game.
That's a fair point, but people said the same of our passing sputtering when we tried to run more and COULDN'T: "All these runs leading straight to punts are messing up Mannings rhythm!" So far, we've called 158 passes and 99 runs, about a 60/40 split, which definitely tilts toward the pass, but not massively, at least not by todays NFL standards. And, again, we've noticeably TRIED to run more, but just couldn't, and those punts reduce the play total and disrupt the rhythm of both run AND pass far more than calling a lot of either does.

underrated29
10-10-2014, 05:46 PM
I think Thompsons straight ahead hard-nosed running suits our lines straight ahead hard-nosed abilities far better than Hillmans shiftiness—but our misdirection playcalls suit Hillman far better. I'm VERY interested in whether our offensive coaches ever figure out that if Franklin moved well enough to pull or Clark moved well enough for ZBS blocking, agile speed rushers wouldn't consistently own them at OT.

They both stonewall power pass rushers just as consistently, so I REALLY wish we'd start using that for all the ample line surge it produces in concert with Clady, Ramirez and Vasquez, and stop trying to live on traps, counters and draws our blockers (especially the main pulling guard) have proven they can't execute. If that ever happens, Thompson could destroy people—but so might Ball and/or Anderson. Think about our relatively few long runs so far, and then think about how many were straight ahead between the tackles. THAT'S who we need to be on the ground; as long as we have PFM, a steady 4-5 yds/att is plenty.




LOL I 100% completely agree with every single thing you have said. No offense, but I think that is a first. I mean, everything you said is exactly how I see things.

Joel
10-10-2014, 06:38 PM
LOL I 100% completely agree with every single thing you have said. No offense, but I think that is a first. I mean, everything you said is exactly how I see things.
My understanding is this means you've never played any organized sport and therefore know nothing of any of them except what you've read. :tongue: Don't feel bad though: Cincy used to have a starting QB like that; he even led the NFL in completion percentage the year after he co-authored "Operations Research on Football." ;)

Dzone
10-10-2014, 07:48 PM
Have actually seen some pundits in the media picking the Jets to win on Sunday, thats it's a trap game for Denver. Helps to build up the anticipation.

Joel
10-10-2014, 08:49 PM
Have actually seen some pundits in the media picking the Jets to win on Sunday, thats it's a trap game for Denver. Helps to build up the anticipation.
I expect us to keep our minds on the business at hand, but this is a TEXTBOOK trap game; I literally can't think of ANY missing criterion:

1) Great team playing an awful one? Check.
2) MUCH better opponent next week to distract us from this week? Check.
3) Awful team fresh off an awful loss (even by their standards)? Check.
4) Great team fresh off a big win against a great team? Check.
5) Great team on the road? Check—it's even a Western team (though not a West COAST team) traveling to the East Coast for an early game.

Just for fun we can throw in Decker having something to prove against the team that gave Sanders his job rather than pay him; however much Decker denies that backstory, we all know it's there.

NO upside's even POSSIBLE here, because even if we blow them out it'll be no more than everyone expects—so anything else is by definition LESS than everyone expects. I'm rooting for a win by ANY margin and NO injuries, same as every week, but if our run game finally manages to get consistently on track against a top run D, that's fine by me: Let opposing DCs and players watch tapes of THAT for a few weeks instead of viewing and reviewing our routes and Mannings reads until they know them better than we do. Anything that draws attention from our passing is a good thing.

Dzone
10-11-2014, 01:31 AM
Peyton's house of horrors
https://screen.yahoo.com/nfl-now/peyton-39-house-horrors-185810115.html

tomjonesrocks
10-11-2014, 02:31 AM
Jt2!!!!!!!!!!!!

I dropped Decker for him in fantasy. Having drafted Ball, my season is in disarray anyway. **** it.

Valar Morghulis
10-11-2014, 05:52 AM
Have actually seen some pundits in the media picking the Jets to win on Sunday, thats it's a trap game for Denver. Helps to build up the anticipation.

I have been dreading this game since i seen the schedule - the Jets are far worse than i thought they would be, i thought Vick would have the starters job now, i thought CJ would be running well and i expected decker's hand in the red zone to keep him respectable, none of that has happened, but i am still anxious about this game. But if my pickem form is anything to go by - i don't know squat, so it will likely be a blow out! 8 TDs for PFM and a career day for Sanders

atwater27
10-11-2014, 07:45 AM
I dropped Decker for him in fantasy. Having drafted Ball, my season is in disarray anyway. **** it.

Ball jacked me up too.

Joel
10-11-2014, 10:54 AM
Peyton's house of horrors
https://screen.yahoo.com/nfl-now/peyton-39-house-horrors-185810115.html
TWO big losses in SEVENTEEN years?! That's only HALF the times he played there his first FOUR seasons; how many since? Bearing in mind it's the home stadium for TWO NFL teams.

Foxborough's Mannings house of horrors; the Meadowlands is just one of the many places he's played many games in a long career. I haven't checked, but, including postseason (which a SB between two teams who BOTH have different home stadia definitely is,) I bet he's played there a dozen times—and Yahoo found all of TWO big losses out of all those games? Worthlez stat iz worthlez.

Joel
10-11-2014, 11:19 AM
Okay, so I DID look it up: Manning's 3-3@the Jets, 2-0@the Giants and lost last years SB there, for a combined 5-4 record; not that horrific.

BOTH blowouts Yahoo cited were playoff games (i.e. the opponent was WAY better than the 1-4 dumpster fire we face tomorrow) and the only other was a 44-6 shelling Mannings second year; since the Colts went 3-13 in 1999, I'm gonna say that blowout was less about Manning than his teammates being so awful they got the #1 overall pick to spend on him the previous year (and remember: Those were the Jim Mora Colts, not the Dungy ones.) The other loss was 27-17; no loss is good, but I doubt Manning has nightmares about that one.

Conversely, he blew out the Jets once himself, and even after last years one-sided SB his career margin of victory in the Meadowlands is -1.33... pts. Bet he wishes it were that good in NE.

Shazam!
10-11-2014, 11:25 AM
Those Jets teams that gave Manning fits had a very solid Front 7 and were not too shabby on offense either.

It looks like last week the team quit on Rex. My fear is they are pumped up for this game to turn it around and will to through walls for their coach's job.

On paper it looks like 42-0 though.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
10-11-2014, 11:33 AM
I predict:
our defense will score as many points as their offense
Their offense will have at least one quarter with less than 30 yards of offense.
we win by 4 TD's

:-)

Joel
10-11-2014, 12:23 PM
Those Jets teams that gave Manning fits had a very solid Front 7 and were not too shabby on offense either.
Jets teams only gave him fits THRICE in 17 seasons, one of them his second year on a Colts team so awful they'd just finished DEAD LAST or they wouldn't have been able to draft him in the first place. He's got a .500 record in THEIR stadium, including a blowout of his own. I certainly don't think it's because of the Meadowlands itself being a "house of horrors" else he wouldn't be 2-0@the Giants.


It looks like last week the team quit on Rex. My fear is they are pumped up for this game to turn it around and will to through walls for their coach's job.
This is my concern. I'm not sure how hard the players (especially on offense) will fight for HIS job, but new coaches usually mean new players, and teams know that.


On paper it looks like 42-0 though.
Yeah, and as long as the Broncos don't take that for granted, it should be a fairly accurate prediction. We'll probably never see another 73-0 game since the NFL's so committed to parity that its even nerfed the defensive rules to help garbage teams come back against great ones, but that doesn't really bode well for a garbage team relying on great D to save useless offense against an elite offense AND defense.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
10-13-2014, 07:42 PM
I predict:
our defense will score as many points as their offense
Their offense will have at least one quarter with less than 30 yards of offense.
we win by 4 TD's

:-)

Well, I only got one right, but it was still fun making the predictions. For a while there it looked like I might get two right. :D

Valar Morghulis
10-14-2014, 01:46 AM
Well, I only got one right, but it was still fun making the predictions. For a while there it looked like I might get two right. :D

I love making public predictions because it gives me an added interest to the game - especially if it is between two teams I am not all that bothered about who wins - that is also why I love gambling so much.