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BeefStew25
09-09-2014, 10:14 AM
Jake Plummer is overrated and hated all of you.

Northman
09-09-2014, 10:18 AM
http://gamedayr.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/jake2e_display_image_crop_north.jpg

Buff
09-09-2014, 10:20 AM
Vic Lombardi still swings from his nuts like he won B2B Super Bowls.

Plummer hated us while he was here, and now he does local radio spots as if anybody in the world gives a shit about his opinions.

tubby
09-09-2014, 10:23 AM
Go play dungeons & dragons.

BroncoJoe
09-09-2014, 10:23 AM
I liked Plummer.

Buff
09-09-2014, 10:24 AM
Go play dungeons & dragons.

I tuned to Mike & Mike instead. Will dial up the local guys next time I'm looking for a hot take on the upcoming handball tourney.

tubby
09-09-2014, 10:25 AM
War handball.

tubby
09-09-2014, 10:27 AM
I tuned to Mike & Mike instead. Will dial up the local guys next time I'm looking for a hot take on the upcoming handball tourney.

I'm just glad you found something to distract with Obama is about to declare war on Islam.

MOtorboat
09-09-2014, 10:31 AM
Love me some Jake Plummer.

#winning

BroncoWave
09-09-2014, 10:44 AM
When we got rid of plummer it was 6 years before we made the playoffs again. I would say he was underrated.

CrazyHorse
09-09-2014, 10:49 AM
At least he could run a bootleg unlike some current quarterback.:rolleyes:

Northman
09-09-2014, 10:54 AM
Dont be dissing Peyton's speed Crazy. Manning has lightning reflexes.

Ravage!!!
09-09-2014, 10:56 AM
OMG.. I was screaming at the TV to STOP RUNNING... and when he went down awkwardly, I thought he broke an ankle. I NEVER want to see Manning do that again! (unless running to win the Super Bowl)

TXBRONC
09-09-2014, 11:15 AM
Jake Plummer is overrated and hated all of you.

All of us? How is it that you're so blessed to be in his good graces? :D

Northman
09-09-2014, 11:20 AM
OMG.. I was screaming at the TV to STOP RUNNING... and when he went down awkwardly, I thought he broke an ankle. I NEVER want to see Manning do that again! (unless running to win the Super Bowl)

Just imagine him doing the Elway helicopter. I can see the bits of shattered Manning all over the field. lmao

weazel
09-09-2014, 11:43 AM
I liked Plummer

BeefStew25
09-09-2014, 11:51 AM
He was the sole reason we made it to a AFCCG. Sole reason.

Dreadnought
09-09-2014, 11:51 AM
Jake Plummer is overrated and hated all of you.

Excellent thread, no question about it. It needed saying

MOtorboat
09-09-2014, 12:04 PM
39-15

BroncoJoe
09-09-2014, 12:05 PM
http://denver.metblogs.com/archives/images/2006/09/plummer.jpg

BroncoWave
09-09-2014, 12:09 PM
I guessed people liked missing the playoffs 5 straight seasons?

Northman
09-09-2014, 12:13 PM
I guessed people liked missing the playoffs 5 straight seasons?

Who said that?

BroncoWave
09-09-2014, 12:16 PM
I guessed people liked missing the playoffs 5 straight seasons?

Who said that?

Well most of these people who think plummer sucked thought Cutler way better, yet plummer always had us in the playoffs while Cutler never did. People act like we won completely in spite of plummer. I really don't get it.

Ravage!!!
09-09-2014, 12:16 PM
I guessed people liked missing the playoffs 5 straight seasons?

Thats just silly. The Chiefs went to the playoffs 7 of 10 years with the likes of Steve Deberge, Dave Krieg, Steve Bono, and Elvis Grbac in the starting lineup. YOu want to tell me just how good they were, too?

BroncoWave
09-09-2014, 12:20 PM
I guessed people liked missing the playoffs 5 straight seasons?

Thats just silly. The Chiefs went to the playoffs 7 of 10 years with the likes of Steve Deberge, Dave Krieg, Steve Bono, and Elvis Grbac in the starting lineup. YOu want to tell me just how good they were, too?

I'm not saying he was a hall of famer or anything, but some people act like he was Tebow level bad. It's really really hard to go 39-15 at the nfl level with poor qb play unless you have a stacked defense which we definitely didn't have at that time.

Northman
09-09-2014, 12:22 PM
Well most of these people who think plummer sucked thought Cutler way better, yet plummer always had us in the playoffs while Cutler never did. People act like we won completely in spite of plummer. I really don't get it.

Well, i think talent wise Cutler is better than Plummer but the mentality of both is vastly different. If you took Plummer's fire and heart and put it in Jay you would have one hell of a player. But, lets not forget that during Jay's time our defense was one if not worst we have had. But your argument is bit flawed. Saying or acting like Plummer is the sole reason we got to playoffs is like saying Tebow is the sole reason we got to the playoffs and we both know that Tebow is not a better QB than Cutler or Plummer. A great QB is important naturally but all 3 of those QB's had different circumstances and different teams around them at the time they were in service. My biggest issue with Plummer was his inconsistency and lack of preparation which ended up being his eventual downfall.

NightTrainLayne
09-09-2014, 12:24 PM
Ahh.. .so this spilled over from Twitter.

Rex, Beef and myself have been having a discussion on Twitter, after Vic Lombardi told Buff off. :D

I don't understand the hate for Plummer. Lord knows he's not the best QB ever, but why the hate?

Beef says he hates the fans, and is a quitter, and doesn't like competition.

I don't buy all of that, but what would you all have had him do? Play another season just cashing the checks even though his heart wasn't in it anymore? I'd much rather have him retire like he did, then waste a season or two just going through the motions and cashing checks. . .. You guys hating on him have put him in a no win situation. No matter what he does, it's wrong.

I liked Plummer. He got tired of the game, and wanted to quit. I'm glad he had the integrity to retire, and didn't waste our time, or the team's time and money on him any longer.

Ravage!!!
09-09-2014, 12:25 PM
I'm not saying he was a hall of famer or anything, but some people act like he was Tebow level bad. It's really really hard to go 39-15 at the nfl level with poor qb play unless you have a stacked defense which we definitely didn't have at that time.

But your two statements "we didn't go back for 6 seasons" and " I guess people liked missing the playoffs for 5 straight".... is suggesting that Plummer, alone, is the reason we went or did NOT go to the playoffs. That's just not accurate. As I pointed out, many bad Qbs go to the playoffs, several times in a row. Many Great QBs haven't won a Super Bowl. Some great QBs has a losing playoff record. Looking at the numbers on a sheet doesn't tell the story.

BroncoWave
09-09-2014, 12:27 PM
Well most of these people who think plummer sucked thought Cutler way better, yet plummer always had us in the playoffs while Cutler never did. People act like we won completely in spite of plummer. I really don't get it.

Well, i think talent wise Cutler is better than Plummer but the mentality of both is vastly different. If you took Plummer's fire and heart and put it in Jay you would have one hell of a player. But, lets not forget that during Jay's time our defense was one if not worst we have had. But your argument is bit flawed. Saying or acting like Plummer is the sole reason we got to playoffs is like saying Tebow is the sole reason we got to the playoffs and we both know that Tebow is not a better QB than Cutler or Plummer. A great QB is important naturally but all 3 of those QB's had different circumstances and different teams around them at the time they were in service. My biggest issue with Plummer was his inconsistency and lack of preparation which ended up being his eventual downfall.

Cutler may have more physical gifts than Plummer, but overall, I would rather Jake Plummer in his prime be my qb over Jay Cutler.

BroncoJoe
09-09-2014, 12:27 PM
Cutler sucked, and still sucks.

Northman
09-09-2014, 12:29 PM
He got tired of the game, and wanted to quit. I'm glad he had the integrity to retire, and didn't waste our time, or the team's time and money on him any longer.

To that we totally agree. If his heart wasnt in it anymore than time to move on and he did.

MOtorboat
09-09-2014, 12:29 PM
That was some entertaining twitters.

Tned
09-09-2014, 12:29 PM
Jake Plummer is overrated and hated all of you.

He was underrated and hated all of you, because you were mean to him.... Damn Honda Element, hippie QB.

BroncoWave
09-09-2014, 12:30 PM
I'm not saying he was a hall of famer or anything, but some people act like he was Tebow level bad. It's really really hard to go 39-15 at the nfl level with poor qb play unless you have a stacked defense which we definitely didn't have at that time.

But your two statements "we didn't go back for 6 seasons" and " I guess people liked missing the playoffs for 5 straight".... is suggesting that Plummer, alone, is the reason we went or did NOT go to the playoffs. That's just not accurate. As I pointed out, many bad Qbs go to the playoffs, several times in a row. Many Great QBs haven't won a Super Bowl. Some great QBs has a losing playoff record. Looking at the numbers on a sheet doesn't tell the story.

I was being hyperbolic with that statement, but my point was that Plummer took teams with pretty similar talent levels to places that Cutler didn't. It's not like Plummer was being carried with hall of famers while Cutler was playing with scrubs.

NightTrainLayne
09-09-2014, 12:31 PM
That was some entertaining twitters.

It was interesting that Rex and I were opposed to Beef. Strange bedfellows. :D

MOtorboat
09-09-2014, 12:33 PM
It was interesting that Rex and I were opposed to Beef. Strange bedfellows. :D

#supplyanddemand

NightTrainLayne
09-09-2014, 12:35 PM
#supplyanddemand

You remember! :D

MOtorboat
09-09-2014, 12:36 PM
You remember! :D

Who doesn't?

Dapper Dan
09-09-2014, 12:55 PM
I liked Plummer.

But you don't like him anymore, right? Because he's really a Cardinal and retired a Buccaneer.

MOtorboat
09-09-2014, 12:57 PM
But you don't like him anymore, right? Because he's really a Cardinal and retired a Buccaneer.

You're right, I should have placed that in present tense.

Dapper Dan
09-09-2014, 12:57 PM
Jake the Mistake.

MOtorboat
09-09-2014, 12:57 PM
So did Plummer say something to set off the Buffenator?

I'm just not liking this hippie on hippie hate.

Dapper Dan
09-09-2014, 12:59 PM
5497

BroncoWave
09-09-2014, 01:01 PM
He rocked the hell out of that stache.

Dapper Dan
09-09-2014, 01:03 PM
It looks like a turd.

Dapper Dan
09-09-2014, 01:04 PM
Dirty Sanchez?

BroncoJoe
09-09-2014, 01:09 PM
But you don't like him anymore, right? Because he's really a Cardinal and retired a Buccaneer.

He never played a down (or even practiced) for the Bucs. He was a Bronco when he retired. In my mind, anyway.

Dapper Dan
09-09-2014, 01:13 PM
So did the Broncos not get that draft pick since the douche retired? I can't remember.

BroncoJoe
09-09-2014, 01:20 PM
Damn, Buff. You're an a-hole.

BroncoWave
09-09-2014, 01:23 PM
Damn, vic put Buff in his place right there.

Dapper Dan
09-09-2014, 01:26 PM
That Jason Phillips guy really made Vic look like an idiot.

GEM
09-09-2014, 01:32 PM
He was at the game on Sunday, on the Broncos sideline with Rod Smith and Brandon Stokely. He has aged very well. Good lookin guy. :D

Dapper Dan
09-09-2014, 01:34 PM
He was at the game on Sunday, on the Broncos sideline with Rod Smith and Brandon Stokely. He has aged very well. Good lookin guy. :D

Well it's not like he's 50.

chazoe60
09-09-2014, 01:35 PM
I'm just glad you found something to distract with Obama is about to declare war on Islam.

Why would a Muslim declare war on Islam, is this a Shiite/Sunni thing? Which one is Obama anyway? He always struck me as a Shiite.

GEM
09-09-2014, 01:36 PM
Well it's not like he's 50.

I was mostly saying it because when he was here, I never really thought he was that good looking. :lol:

And there are some pretty good looking 50 yr old's out there. Geez.

chazoe60
09-09-2014, 01:36 PM
I always liked Plummer BTW.

BroncoJoe
09-09-2014, 01:41 PM
I was mostly saying it because when he was here, I never really thought he was that good looking. :lol:

And there are some pretty good looking 50 yr old's out there. Geez.

Absolutely there are!

:snicker:

Dapper Dan
09-09-2014, 01:43 PM
I didn't know Dread was 50.

BeefStew25
09-09-2014, 01:59 PM
He never played a down (or even practiced) for the Bucs.

Right. Because he wasn't guaranteed the starters job.

Dapper Dan
09-09-2014, 02:00 PM
Right. Because he wasn't guaranteed the starters job.

Nah. He was going to compete with Chris Simms.

NightTrainLayne
09-09-2014, 02:00 PM
Right. Because he wasn't guaranteed the starters job.

Or because he didn't want to play any more. . . Whatever fits your narrative. :)

BeefStew25
09-09-2014, 02:10 PM
Or because he didn't want to play any more. . . Whatever fits your narrative. :)

So he is a quitter?

Man was he a gunslinger. Bow legged and rugged. Didn't take shit from anyone.

Dapper Dan
09-09-2014, 02:11 PM
When did we start talking about Brett Favre?

Slick
09-09-2014, 02:15 PM
Damn, vic put Buff in his place right there.

I feel like Buff got the better of that exchange. Buff made him resort to a personal attack right off the bat.

Buff
09-09-2014, 02:17 PM
Man, **** you guys for real.

BroncoJoe
09-09-2014, 02:24 PM
Right. Because he wasn't guaranteed the starters job.

Don't you knock my Plummer!

BroncoJoe
09-09-2014, 02:26 PM
So he is a quitter?

Man was he a gunslinger. Bow legged and rugged. Didn't take shit from anyone.

Beef. I feel like Jake ignored your advances at some point. There has to be a reason you dislike him...

Northman
09-09-2014, 02:30 PM
Or because he didn't want to play any more. . . Whatever fits your narrative. :)

Well, to be fair he did retire shortly after it was reported that he would have to compete for the spot in Tampa. Just depends on what you want to believe in terms of when he made the decision.

Slick
09-09-2014, 02:34 PM
Shake, you might want to edit that post. Sounds like Buffcake is pissed.

MasterShake
09-09-2014, 02:41 PM
Shake, you might want to edit that post. Sounds like Buffcake is pissed.

Yeah I'll get rid of it. It was an honest question didn't know if it was legit. Was Plummer on the show today locally?

Slick
09-09-2014, 02:44 PM
Yeah I'll get rid of it. It was an honest question didn't know if it was legit. Was Plummer on the show today locally?

I live in Mexico, Shake. I don't know.

MasterShake
09-09-2014, 02:47 PM
I live in Mexico, Shake. I don't know.

Si, I know. It was a general question.

Northman
09-09-2014, 03:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCCRn6SpblU

BeefStew25
09-09-2014, 03:15 PM
I feel like Buff got the better of that exchange. Buff made him resort to a personal attack right off the bat.

Completely agree. Vic mocks his audience almost as bad as Jake the Competitor.

NightTrainLayne
09-09-2014, 03:30 PM
Completely agree. Vic mocks his audience almost as bad as Jake the Competitor.

That's the way to guarantee ratings isn't it?

BeefStew25
09-09-2014, 03:33 PM
Beef. I feel like Jake ignored your advances at some point. There has to be a reason you dislike him...

He was never all in. Thought he could show up on Sunday and play his way through the games. His preparation was shit.

BeefStew25
09-09-2014, 03:33 PM
That's the way to guarantee ratings isn't it?

Yeah, sure. If you can't play, fake it.

MasterShake
09-09-2014, 03:43 PM
That's the way to guarantee ratings isn't it?

That morning show is awful anymore. When Mike Evans is the least annoying guy you know a show is in trouble. I particularly don't care for Nate Lundy and his fake outrage tough guy act every morning. The local radio around here sucks. 102.3 ESPN showed some promise then they pretty much fired everyone after their budget went to the toilet.

Slick
09-09-2014, 04:05 PM
Jake the Competitor. Lol.

BroncoJoe
09-09-2014, 04:13 PM
He was never all in. Thought he could show up on Sunday and play his way through the games. His preparation was shit.

I get ya, but you wish he was "all in", right?

aberdien
09-09-2014, 04:50 PM
Jake was awesome.

WARHORSE
09-09-2014, 04:56 PM
I LOVE Beefstew.

Suwheat!

tubby
09-09-2014, 05:14 PM
Why would a Muslim declare war on Islam, is this a Shiite/Sunni thing? Which one is Obama anyway? He always struck me as a Shiite.

Which ever one doesn't need congressional approval to bomb people.

sneakers
09-09-2014, 06:17 PM
i farded than i poped

CrazyHorse
09-09-2014, 06:34 PM
i farded than i poped

First this?

http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.608042428790214567&pid=15.1&P=0

Then this?

http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.608024982633054689&pid=15.1&P=0

Shazam!
09-09-2014, 06:37 PM
We got Peyton ****in Manning now. Who gives a ****.

Slick
09-09-2014, 08:03 PM
We got Peyton ****in Manning now. Who gives a ****.

I guess you had to be there.

Shazam!
09-09-2014, 08:36 PM
I was there Slick, and was one of them who called for Cutler.

Dreadnought
09-09-2014, 08:37 PM
It was interesting that Rex and I were opposed to Beef. Strange bedfellows. :D

Well, I stand four square behind young Buffalo here. I've never been prouder of the Lad.

BigDaddyBronco
09-09-2014, 09:05 PM
Plummer always seemed to play as hard as he could and although he wasn't a great QB he made the most with what he had. As for him quitting after getting benched for Cutler. I remember him being pissed but supporting Cutler, but I don't blame him for being pissed. Shanny didn't want competition he wanted to show everyone that the QB that he went up in the draft to get was the second coming and didn't give a shit if we sacrificed a potential run for the playoffs to get him playing. I'm sure many of the Broncos were pissed, but Plummer showed it. After getting jobbed his desire to play the game wasn't there anymore. That is ok, not everyone has to be Tom Brady who wants to play until he gets cut by the Raiders at 52.

What followed made me appreciate Plummer. Total asshat who still hasn't lived to his potential. Thank God McD came in and got rid of that POS, decimated the franchise, and ultimately brought us PFM.

Nomad
09-09-2014, 09:13 PM
Yep, BDB, Shanny skipped an AllPro NG for that asshat:lol:

BroncoWave
09-09-2014, 09:16 PM
Great post BDB. Plummer got a shit deal from Shanahan. We were well on the way to the playoffs his last year here until Cutler came in and we faded down the stretch. I don't blame him one bit for being pissed about that whole ordeal.

Dreadnought
09-09-2014, 09:39 PM
Great post BDB. Plummer got a shit deal from Shanahan. We were well on the way to the playoffs his last year here until Cutler came in and we faded down the stretch. I don't blame him one bit for being pissed about that whole ordeal.

Nonsense on stilts. Plummer's performance in 2006 was legendarily awful. His 68.8 QBR was like something from the 70's. He was bad all year, right from the start, but that Larry Coyer defense played lights out for two months until it finally got undressed by PMFM and the Colts. When Plummer eventually got benched he had just lost back to back games, and the game before that we overcame 3 Jake picks to squeak out a 17-13 win over a terrible Raiders squad. The defense was fast unraveling, and this team was going nowhere near the damned playoffs. Cutler improved our level of QB play, but nowhere near enough. We were simply not a factor in most any scenario in '06. Cutler lost his first game after playing badly, then again to the Bolts after we gave up 48 points (and scored 31) then won 2 of 3.

Here is Plummer's game logs from 2006. Don't let small children see this, because it might give them nightmares
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PlumJa00/gamelog/2006/

Dapper Dan
09-09-2014, 09:40 PM
People bash so many people that actually did shit for Denver, but hang on Plummer's sack. Without Shanahan, Elway and Denver probably doesn't get a Super Bowl. Without Plummer, I think we would still be okay. People bash so many players. Manny Ramirez. Knowshon Moreno. Montee Ball. Demaryius Thomas. Rahim Moore. The list goes on. But don't ****** bash a guy who can't throw over 60%, and about broke even in the TD/INT and W/L categories.

BroncoWave
09-09-2014, 10:01 PM
People bash so many people that actually did shit for Denver, but hang on Plummer's sack. Without Shanahan, Elway and Denver probably doesn't get a Super Bowl. Without Plummer, I think we would still be okay. People bash so many players. Manny Ramirez. Knowshon Moreno. Montee Ball. Demaryius Thomas. Rahim Moore. The list goes on. But don't ****** bash a guy who can't throw over 60%, and about broke even in the TD/INT and W/L categories.

LOL, try again. He was 39-15 for Denver and had a 71/47 TD/INT ratio.

Unless you are talking about his entire career, which it pretty irrelevant when discussing what he did in Denver.

BeefStew25
09-09-2014, 10:03 PM
So he couldn't carry AZ on his shoulders, moves to Denver, and suddenly gets it. Duly noted.

Buff
09-09-2014, 10:09 PM
I co-sign Beef, Dread, db and other's sentiments in this thread...

But the part that really annoys me is how Plummer to this day will complain to anyone who will listen about how bad he had it while he was here. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/26/sports/football/jake-plummer-rekindles-his-love-for-the-game-he-left.html?_r=0 He talks about how the unintelligent fans treated him unfairly, and how Shanahan was too hard on him, and how nobody understands how hard it was. So, ok, fine - I think he lacked mental toughness... But I can respect it if he just wants to take his money and leave the game forever. Even if it cost us a conditional draft pick. Even if he could have taken the high road. Whatever, it's his life, good luck.

But on top of all that - he still wants to come back and offer up football takes to Denver Broncos fans. Like, this relationship has never worked, why must we still be subjected to it? You quit, remember? We broke up.

Beyond that, he can't speak intelligently about today's game... He sounds like a guy who got away from the game for years. And yet Vic Lombardi keeps having him on. It's just lazy. Any NFL beat writer in the country would offer up a better segment, but they are bros so he keeps having him on.

BroncoWave
09-09-2014, 10:12 PM
Well, we do have a lot of unintelligent fans who treated him unfairly and Shanny did treat him like shit, so he's not wrong.

Buff
09-09-2014, 10:15 PM
Well, we do have a lot of unintelligent fans who treated him unfairly and Shanny did treat him like shit, so he's not wrong.

If you project yourself as a penis, people will treat you like a penis.

Shanny worked with two HOFers before him and expected him to act accordingly.

BroncoWave
09-09-2014, 10:15 PM
If you project yourself as a penis, people will treat you like a penis.

So Jay Cutler didn't project himself like a penis?

Buff
09-09-2014, 10:26 PM
So Jay Cutler didn't project himself like a penis?

Cutler is an undisputed penis... But Plummer is still trying to revise history in his favor. I'm going to take Shanny's side over Plummer's every day of the week. Shanny wanted to be great, Plummer wanted to punch the clock and go home.

aberdien
09-09-2014, 10:26 PM
I don't remember Cutler taking us to an AFC Championship game. Plummer even had arguably less talent around him too.

He certainly walked to the beat of his own drum at times. Also had the sexiest bootleg in the history of bootlegs. That was a good few years. I appreciate Plummer.

BeefStew25
09-09-2014, 10:28 PM
Dilfer won the Ravens a Superbowl.

Simple Jaded
09-09-2014, 10:28 PM
Plummer was a good dude, it only made me like him more that he hated fans. Fans are idiots. #JonKitna

Buff
09-09-2014, 10:28 PM
But again - his lack of work ethic isn't really the problem. It's that he wants to come back and blame everybody else - and then like hang around and still be part of this scene afterwards. It's like he doesn't realize that the bridge is burned.

BroncoWave
09-09-2014, 10:30 PM
Cutler is an undisputed penis... But Plummer is still trying to revise history in his favor. I'm going to take Shanny's side over Plummer's every day of the week. Shanny wanted to be great, Plummer wanted to punch the clock and go home.

Pure speculation. A QB with that kind of attitude would not compile a 39-15 record in a hyper competitive league like the NFL unless he was just being carried by an incredible defense, which most certainly was not the case. Maybe you could argue that was his attitude in his last season once it was clear Shanny was trying to push him out the door, but I absolutely did not get that vibe from him for most of his career in Denver.

You can defend Shanny all day, but he never won a single playoff game after Elway retired other than with Jake Plummer was his QB.

BroncoWave
09-09-2014, 10:30 PM
But again - his lack of work ethic isn't really the problem. It's that he wants to come back and blame everybody else - and then like hang around and still be part of this scene afterwards. It's like he doesn't realize that the bridge is burned.

Then why did the Broncos welcome him to watch the game from the sideline? That bridge is only burned to people like you who are still bitter about him for whatever reason.

BroncoWave
09-09-2014, 10:31 PM
Dilfer won the Ravens a Superbowl.

You're right, Plummer was being carried by a 2000 Ravens-esque defense. Wait, no, I remember that defense being bent over repeatedly by Indy in the playoffs.

BeefStew25
09-09-2014, 10:32 PM
But again - his lack of work ethic isn't really the problem. It's that he wants to come back and blame everybody else - and then like hang around and still be part of this scene afterwards. It's like he doesn't realize that the bridge is burned.

FiTaK3Fyj0k

BeefStew25
09-09-2014, 10:33 PM
You're right, Plummer was being carried by a 2000 Ravens-esque defense. Wait, no, I remember that defense being bent over repeatedly by Indy in the playoffs.

Yeah we certainly didn't outscore them.

Buff
09-09-2014, 10:33 PM
Then why did the Broncos welcome him to watch the game from the sideline? That bridge is only burned to people like you who are still bitter about him for whatever reason.

Cause Bowlen isn't calling the shots anymore.

aberdien
09-09-2014, 10:34 PM
I like Shanny and Plummer

BroncoWave
09-09-2014, 10:35 PM
Cause Bowlen isn't calling the shots anymore.

If Bowlen disliked Plummer enough not to invite him to games, I'm sure Elway would know that and not invite him to a game the second Bowlen was out the door.

Buff
09-09-2014, 10:40 PM
If Bowlen disliked Plummer enough not to invite him to games, I'm sure Elway would know that and not invite him to a game the second Bowlen was out the door.

That's an Ellis call, not an Elway call. But whether that was the reason or not - I wish we could just make it a clean break. Better for all parties. It's awkward when your ex starts showing up out of the blue.

tubby
09-09-2014, 10:42 PM
Damn, now Wave is just pwning fools.

Why anyone (not name claymore) has dislike for Plummer, I will never understand. Dude was the man and his teammates absolutely loves him.

BeefStew25
09-09-2014, 10:42 PM
That's an Ellis call, not an Elway call. But whether that was the reason or not - I wish we could just make it a clean break. Better for all parties. It's awkward when your ex starts showing up out of the blue.

And, lets not get started at how clumsy he was as the face of the franchise (calm down, Cutler was just as bad).

He was shit at handling pressure.

BroncoWave
09-09-2014, 10:42 PM
That's an Ellis call, not an Elway call. But whether that was the reason or not - I wish we could just make it a clean break. Better for all parties. It's awkward when your ex starts showing up out of the blue.

I don't see who it would be awkward for. As far as I could tell, Plummer's main beef was with Shanny who is not here anymore.

BeefStew25
09-09-2014, 10:43 PM
Damn, now Wave is just pwning fools.

Why anyone (not name claymore) has dislike for Plummer, I will never understand. Dude was the man and his teammates absolutely loves him.

Yeah, everyone loves the boss who doesn't push his guys. Manning can be a mother ****** to his teammates. Liking and respect are two very different things.

BroncoWave
09-09-2014, 10:46 PM
Damn, now Wave is just pwning fools.

Why anyone (not name claymore) has dislike for Plummer, I will never understand. Dude was the man and his teammates absolutely loves him.

He was IMO the best QB we had between Elway and Manning. Such a fun guy to watch and an awesome competitor. I love that he is back in Denver and around the team.

DenBronx
09-09-2014, 10:55 PM
I liked Plummer and don't get the beef. His time was up and we drafted Cutler, who imo, is a better QB. Both were good but Shanny pulled the trigger and drafted a QB at pick 11 in round 1. You don't draft a QB that high and not play him. Had Plummer played lights out then I have zero doubts that Shanny would have stuck with him. The ball was really in Jakes court.

Too bad he wouldn't have kept playing when the Bucs traded for him. I think he still had alot left in the tank. Mentally maybe not so much...

aberdien
09-09-2014, 11:02 PM
Regardless of how you feel about the decision, it really should be no surprise that Jake didn't play as well once Cutler was drafted. Few QBs don't crumble under that pressure.

Simple Jaded
09-09-2014, 11:10 PM
Regardless of how you feel about the decision, it really should be no surprise that Jake didn't play as well once Cutler was drafted. Few QBs don't crumble under that pressure.

Kyle Orton didn't, he played better than ever after they drafted the fans 2nd favorite Broncos QB ever.

aberdien
09-09-2014, 11:14 PM
Kyle Orton didn't, he played better than ever after they drafted the fans 2nd favorite Broncos QB ever.

I think he was too busy downing bottles of Jack to see Tebow behind him, which probably helped.

Dapper Dan
09-09-2014, 11:42 PM
Hmm. I guess it's settled. Tebow>Cutler

Due to playoff wins in Denver. Because what happens outside of Denver is irrelevant to a players career. Jerry Rice sucks too. He did nothing while in Denver.

Simple Jaded
09-09-2014, 11:42 PM
I think he was too busy downing bottles of Jack to see Tebow behind him, which probably helped.

That actually makes better sense.

Simple Jaded
09-09-2014, 11:44 PM
Can you imagine of Tebow could throw like Cutler and grow a porn stach like Plummer? Championship.

MasterShake
09-09-2014, 11:54 PM
Can you imagine of Tebow could throw like Cutler and grow a porn stach like Plummer? Championship.

Jake Cutbow... I like it!

MOtorboat
09-10-2014, 12:00 AM
Jake Cutbow... I like it!

Jay Plumbow.

Love me some Jake Plummer.

BigDaddyBronco
09-10-2014, 06:04 AM
Nonsense on stilts. Plummer's performance in 2006 was legendarily awful. His 68.8 QBR was like something from the 70's. He was bad all year, right from the start, but that Larry Coyer defense played lights out for two months until it finally got undressed by PMFM and the Colts. When Plummer eventually got benched he had just lost back to back games, and the game before that we overcame 3 Jake picks to squeak out a 17-13 win over a terrible Raiders squad. The defense was fast unraveling, and this team was going nowhere near the damned playoffs. Cutler improved our level of QB play, but nowhere near enough. We were simply not a factor in most any scenario in '06. Cutler lost his first game after playing badly, then again to the Bolts after we gave up 48 points (and scored 31) then won 2 of 3.

Here is Plummer's game logs from 2006. Don't let small children see this, because it might give them nightmares
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PlumJa00/gamelog/2006/

Plummer was bad in 2006. Could have been from having been told he was being replaced and it getting to him. The writing was on the wall. He had a pretty good 2005 and led the team to the AFCCG which of course he sucked in. But when Plummer was replaced they were 7-4. Shanny dumped Plummer for Cutler and they ended up 9-7 and missing the playoffs. Did they have a good enough team to go 10-6 and make the playoffs? We'll never know.

So yea, Plummer had a bad year and never regained the confidence or the passion for the game after he felt he was stabbed in the back. Shanny pushing all of his chips in for Cutler led us to a few more years of mediocrity and ultimately his firing. How would things have turned out if he drafted Haloti Ngata or another weapon for Plummer? We will never know. At the end of the day Plummer went to the AFCCG and Cutler has won one playoff game. I think Shanny made a bad call in the draft and everything else that happened in the 2006 season.

TXBRONC
09-10-2014, 06:53 AM
Jake was awesome.

But the man didn't know his limitations.

BroncoJoe
09-10-2014, 07:36 AM
Plummer didn't quit/retire with the Broncos...

MasterShake
09-10-2014, 07:48 AM
All I know is that in my lifetime the Broncos QBs I had were Elway, Griese, Plummer, Cutler, Orton, Tebow, and now Manning so I don't exactly have a stable of elites to look up to. 1 and 2 for me right now are Elway and Manning of course, but Jake comes in 3rd for me because at least we were competitive for a good stretch. The ironic thing about having Manning right now is that he was the reason Shannahan lost faith in Plummer, and without that sequence of events that stemmed from Plummer getting benched and Cutler drafted we would have never landed Peyton.

What I remember about Jake's first few seasons that he worked seamlessly with our zone running game and good defenses to slow the game down and get wins by controlling the pace of the game. The only team we could not do that against was Indianapolis, and it drove Shannahan into a jealous rage. He wanted his gunslinging QB back and he drafted him with Cutler who had some of the skill of Elway without any of the quiet leadership or class that John had. We went from a ball control offense under Plummer to a "good on paper" offense that showed flashes but our defense became a mess and never seemed to help out.

Still I can understand why people don't like Plummer. I also may be biased because I drive a Honda Element and met Jake at a bar a few years ago and he just seemed like a wise old football hippy.

Dapper Dan
09-10-2014, 07:51 AM
I agree. Plummer is probably the second best QB we've had, after Manning. That's not saying a lot.

BigDaddyBronco
09-10-2014, 07:58 AM
I agree. Plummer is probably the second best QB we've had, after Manning. That's not saying a lot.

WTF. John Elway ring a bell?

BroncoWave
09-10-2014, 08:34 AM
WTF. John Elway ring a bell?

Pretty sure he was implying since Elway.

chazoe60
09-10-2014, 08:45 AM
Hmm. I guess it's settled. Tebow>Cutler

Due to playoff wins in Denver. Because what happens outside of Denver is irrelevant to a players career. Jerry Rice sucks too. He did nothing whole in Denver.

Did you eat a lot of paint chips when you were a kid.

Dapper Dan
09-10-2014, 08:46 AM
Did you eat a lot of paint chips when you were a kid.

Are they anything like Salt and Vinegar chips?

Hawgdriver
09-10-2014, 10:53 AM
But again - his lack of work ethic isn't really the problem. It's that he wants to come back and blame everybody else - and then like hang around and still be part of this scene afterwards. It's like he doesn't realize that the bridge is burned.

I think that bridge goes over a road to your property Buff. Sorry he jilted you, but the feelings will fade in time.

Buff
09-10-2014, 11:01 AM
I think that bridge goes over a road to your property Buff. Sorry he jilted you, but the feelings will fade in time.

I didn't hold such a grudge until I learned he harbored such resentment for this team and its fans. Sorry that it doesn't bother you guys.

Hawgdriver
09-10-2014, 11:06 AM
I didn't hold such a grudge until I learned he harbored such resentment for this team and its fans. Sorry that it doesn't bother you guys.

Just certain fans and certain coaches.

But I have to agree that acting butthurt like that, and getting so offended, is unattractive.

But I appreciated his time here, and like the guy for whatever reason.

tubby
09-10-2014, 11:09 AM
I didn't hold such a grudge until I learned he harbored such resentment for this team and its fans. Sorry that it doesn't bother you guys.

Hogwash. Maybe Shanahan and the dimwits who wanted COK6.

06 was bad. Kubiak was gone and the mastermind could wait to play with his new toy.

Buff
09-10-2014, 11:27 AM
Hogwash. Maybe Shanahan and the dimwits who wanted COK6.

06 was bad. Kubiak was gone and the mastermind could wait to play with his new toy.

Yeah, the Mastermind was ready to move on because it became clear that Plummer reached his ceiling. And rather than try to work harder to keep his job, he went in the tank. Years later, he wants to blame everybody but himself.

MasterShake
09-10-2014, 11:39 AM
If you REALLY want to see what an ex-Bronco feels about some of the fans and coaches, you should check out Nate Jackson's book Slow Getting Up. Pretty interesting how he perceived Elway-mania and how it affected the fans of Denver and his account of the whole Shannahan/Plummer/Cutler fiasco gives a unique insider perspective. He also does a good job ripping up Josh McDaniels.

If I recall, Buff was a HUGE Nate Jackson fan so he probably already read it! :lol:

tubby
09-10-2014, 11:39 AM
Yeah, the Mastermind was ready to move on because it became clear that Plummer reached his ceiling. And rather than try to work harder to keep his job, he went in the tank. Years later, he wants to blame everybody but himself.

Work harder or had reached his ceiling, which is it?

I guess he had and saw a life outside of football. I'm fine with that.

Who is he blaming and about what? He retired. BFD

Slick
09-10-2014, 11:40 AM
Buff is slaying fools.

tubby
09-10-2014, 11:46 AM
Buff is slaying fools.

Shit, Wave already gave him a wedgie and stole his bike. Now Buff feels the need to relive it all on FB.

Slick
09-10-2014, 11:48 AM
Shit, Wave already gave him a wedgie and stole his bike. Now Buff feels the need to relive it all on FB.

Kneegrow please.

pnbronco
09-10-2014, 11:50 AM
Damn, now Wave is just pwning fools.

Why anyone (not name claymore) has dislike for Plummer, I will never understand. Dude was the man and his teammates absolutely loves him.

Me neither Tubby... Jake was a great guy. He was kind to most fans that I saw with my own eyes. Yeah I know about the finger, but were any of us there to hear what that person was saying and for how long? He helped a lot and I mean a lot of local charities without any camera's around. He was great to me so many times and helped with Meck's Charity with just my word of what I was doing. His teammates loved him and still do from what I've seen. He had a issue with Shanny....yeah that never happens with someone having a issue with your boss....

I will share 2 fan stories that will make me always love Jake. We were at Fan Fair, the event they had at the Stadium and Jake was in the line where you could take a photo with him. A big man was in front of us in line. He walked up to Jake and Jake put his hand out to shake it, the guy grabbed Jake like a rag doll and did a full out bear hug...security was stepping in and Jake stopped them and just hugged the guy back. I could see that he made that guys year with his kindness that could of so gotten blown out of hand quickly. We walked up he shook hubby hand and gave me a hug. He put his arm around both of us and we had our picture taken. Most players don't like to touch fans....I can't blame them but it was nice to be treated as a equal that day.

Last year a long time Bronco fan had a lot of signatures on a jersey, I think, going back many, many years. She never got Jake and saw him as her last one to get. I heard that he was doing something in town before the first game so I texted a mutual friend with the info. Jake was so kind to her and let her talked about all her years as a fan and was just a really good guy. Some of you may have seen her, she always wore the Orange Wig and would yell Champ at camp....oh and she was the one that tried out for the cheerleaders in her 50's. Anyway she thanked me over and over for giving her the info.....he was beyond kind to her and it made her year. I found out that this Spring she died from Cancer.....that Jake was that final bucket list Bronco signature on her jersey. I didn't know how sick she was and neither did Jake, he was just being kind to a long time fan. I shared that Kara had died from cancer and his kindness meant so very much to her. Of course I teared up and he was trying not to but I could see he was really touched and thanked me for sharing the "rest of the story". A lot of players have come and gone but Jake will always have a special place in my heart as one of the good guys.

BroncoWave
09-10-2014, 11:54 AM
Buff is slaying fools.

Lol not really, he's just acting really butthurt because Jake Plummer hurt his poor little feelings.

BroncoWave
09-10-2014, 11:56 AM
Boom! And pola finishes Buff off!

Northman
09-10-2014, 12:02 PM
Great post BDB. Plummer got a shit deal from Shanahan. We were well on the way to the playoffs his last year here until Cutler came in and we faded down the stretch. I don't blame him one bit for being pissed about that whole ordeal.

:lol:

Dont kid yourself. Even if Plumage had finished the year we wouldnt of made the playoffs.

Northman
09-10-2014, 12:03 PM
nonsense on stilts. Plummer's performance in 2006 was legendarily awful. His 68.8 qbr was like something from the 70's. He was bad all year, right from the start, but that larry coyer defense played lights out for two months until it finally got undressed by pmfm and the colts. When plummer eventually got benched he had just lost back to back games, and the game before that we overcame 3 jake picks to squeak out a 17-13 win over a terrible raiders squad. The defense was fast unraveling, and this team was going nowhere near the damned playoffs. Cutler improved our level of qb play, but nowhere near enough. We were simply not a factor in most any scenario in '06. Cutler lost his first game after playing badly, then again to the bolts after we gave up 48 points (and scored 31) then won 2 of 3.

Here is plummer's game logs from 2006. Don't let small children see this, because it might give them nightmares
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/p/plumja00/gamelog/2006/

ownage.

Northman
09-10-2014, 12:05 PM
I co-sign Beef, Dread, db and other's sentiments in this thread...

But the part that really annoys me is how Plummer to this day will complain to anyone who will listen about how bad he had it while he was here. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/26/sports/football/jake-plummer-rekindles-his-love-for-the-game-he-left.html?_r=0 He talks about how the unintelligent fans treated him unfairly, and how Shanahan was too hard on him, and how nobody understands how hard it was. So, ok, fine - I think he lacked mental toughness... But I can respect it if he just wants to take his money and leave the game forever. Even if it cost us a conditional draft pick. Even if he could have taken the high road. Whatever, it's his life, good luck.

But on top of all that - he still wants to come back and offer up football takes to Denver Broncos fans. Like, this relationship has never worked, why must we still be subjected to it? You quit, remember? We broke up.

Beyond that, he can't speak intelligently about today's game... He sounds like a guy who got away from the game for years. And yet Vic Lombardi keeps having him on. It's just lazy. Any NFL beat writer in the country would offer up a better segment, but they are bros so he keeps having him on.


NO shit!! lmao

Talk about a whiner. For a guy who claimed to have gone out on his own terms and just wanted to retire he sure spends a good amount of time bitching and whining about being "wronged" *coughbullshit* whenever someone interviews him or puts a mic in his face.

Slick
09-10-2014, 12:06 PM
Lol not really, he's just acting really butthurt because Jake Plummer hurt his poor little feelings.

He's talking about the football player. I'm sure Travis Henry took pictures with fans.

Northman
09-10-2014, 12:09 PM
You're right, Plummer was being carried by a 2000 Ravens-esque defense. Wait, no, I remember that defense being bent over repeatedly by Indy in the playoffs.

Yet, how ironic you slam Cutler even though the defense we fielded during his time was a lot worse. :lol:

Northman
09-10-2014, 12:13 PM
So yea, Plummer had a bad year and never regained the confidence or the passion for the game after he felt he was stabbed in the back..

Which is pretty much a tell tale sign of a quitter.

Northman
09-10-2014, 12:17 PM
Buff is slaying fools.

He's not just slaying. He is crushing them like Godzilla.

Northman
09-10-2014, 12:19 PM
He's talking about the football player. I'm sure Travis Henry took pictures with fans.

bwhahahahhahahahahahaa.

BroncoWave
09-10-2014, 12:25 PM
I'll take pola's word on how a player treats fans and what type of person he is since she interacts with every player every single year. If he stood out in her mind as one of the good guys over the hundreds and hundreds of players she had interacted with, that's pretty telling imo.

As for his play on the field, his numbers and record as a starter speak for themselves. Were they pro bowl numbers? No. But he was plenty effective enough to lead us to the playoffs time and time again.

BroncoWave
09-10-2014, 12:29 PM
So yea, Plummer had a bad year and never regained the confidence or the passion for the game after he felt he was stabbed in the back..

Which is pretty much a tell tale sign of a quitter.

I don't know of too many "quitters" who have a 10+ year career as a starting QB in the NFL. I'm sure he faced adversity several times in his career before that final season. I think you need to look up the definition of the word quitter.

Northman
09-10-2014, 12:35 PM
I don't know of too many "quitters" who have a 10+ year career as a starting QB in the NFL. I'm sure he faced adversity several times in his career before that final season. I think you need to look up the definition of the word quitter.

quitter

[kwit-er]



Examples (http://www.broncosforums.com/forums/source-example-sentences)
Word Origin (http://www.broncosforums.com/forums/source-word-origin)


noun 1. a person who quits (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/quit) or gives up easily, especially in the face of some difficulty, danger, etc.



2. Jake Plummer
http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/jake-plummer-tebow.jpg

BroncoWave
09-10-2014, 12:44 PM
So plummer never faced any difficulty in his entire football life until 2006 huh? Wow, he's a lucky dude!

Ravage!!!
09-10-2014, 12:50 PM
Regardless of how you feel about the decision, it really should be no surprise that Jake didn't play as well once Cutler was drafted. Few QBs don't crumble under that pressure.

True...especially when you don't really like the game to begin with.

TXBRONC
09-10-2014, 12:51 PM
WTF. John Elway ring a bell?

He's a sarcastic little booger.

TXBRONC
09-10-2014, 12:56 PM
I'll take pola's word on how a player treats fans and what type of person he is since she interacts with every player every single year. If he stood out in her mind as one of the good guys over the hundreds and hundreds of players she had interacted with, that's pretty telling imo.

As for his play on the field, his numbers and record as a starter speak for themselves. Were they pro bowl numbers? No. But he was plenty effective enough to lead us to the playoffs time and time again.

She has dirt on every last one of them do you think they're going to treat her badly? When she snaps her fingers they jump.

NightTrainLayne
09-10-2014, 01:08 PM
I would highly recommend reading the book "A Few Seconds of Panic" for everyone in this thread.

Stephan Fatsis joined the Broncos during that ill-fated season as a kicker. . .really he's just a writer, and wanted to write about the high-pressure atmosphere of being a kicker in the NFL.

Little did he know, he'd be behind the scenes as well for a huge drama of a QB controversy between a legendary coach and Plummer/Cutler.

After reading that book, I came away with Shanny (who I loved) reduced a few levels from the pedastal I had put him on. Jake is not an all-pro, but he's also not a quitter, and he doesn't hate the fans etc. He was, I believe, mis-treated, but that's life. I don't really hold it against Shanny. .. he brought us 2 super-bowls. But Jake was never going to be Elway. Of course, Cutler was never going to be Elway either.

I do seem to see some parallels within the past couple of seasons between Shanny and RGIII's relationship, and Shanny/Plummer. RGIII has said some very negative things, and there's two sides to every story, but I'll be damned if there's not some similarities there.

Pick up "A Few Seconds of Panic". Great read. Fatsis is a pretty good writer.

NightTrainLayne
09-10-2014, 01:11 PM
I wish the Freak was still around. I did a hug thread on that book over there when it came out. Spent a lot of time outlining the book.

pnbronco
09-10-2014, 01:12 PM
She has dirt on every last one of them do you think they're going to treat badly. When she snaps her fingers they jump.

Brat.....:lol: no they don't....I'm just nice and the nice one treat me that way back.

BTW Travis Henry was so not nice to anyone except maybe his team mates....

That last year was tough, but there was a lot going on in that back ground. I just felt like there was a lot of tension all the way around.....not a good year.

I think there was another reason Jake decided to leave football at the end of that year. Darrent was killed the night of their last game. It kicked everyone in the gut. I'm sure if I've had a bad year at my job and then and much younger co worker is killed there would be a part of me that asks myself what am I doing. Jake had the money to do something else if his heart wasn't in it anymore, so I think that's the road he took. I'm sure he has second guessed himself since he made that decision, but I don't think he is sorry for moving on with his life, getting married and starting a family.

It's kind of funny that we are talking about him all these years later and having Jake wars again....:laugh: Dang Peyton....look what you have done....:confused:

Northman
09-10-2014, 01:16 PM
I would highly recommend reading the book "A Few Seconds of Panic" for everyone in this thread.

Stephan Fatsis joined the Broncos during that ill-fated season as a kicker. . .really he's just a writer, and wanted to write about the high-pressure atmosphere of being a kicker in the NFL.

Little did he know, he'd be behind the scenes as well for a huge drama of a QB controversy between a legendary coach and Plummer/Cutler.

After reading that book, I came away with Shanny (who I loved) reduced a few levels from the pedastal I had put him on. Jake is not an all-pro, but he's also not a quitter, and he doesn't hate the fans etc. He was, I believe, mis-treated, but that's life. I don't really hold it against Shanny. .. he brought us 2 super-bowls. But Jake was never going to be Elway. Of course, Cutler was never going to be Elway either.

I do seem to see some parallels within the past couple of seasons between Shanny and RGIII's relationship, and Shanny/Plummer. RGIII has said some very negative things, and there's two sides to every story, but I'll be damned if there's not some similarities there.

Pick up "A Few Seconds of Panic". Great read. Fatsis is a pretty good writer.

Players tend to band together. It would be hard for me to read that and not feel that it was written with bias.

Slick
09-10-2014, 01:18 PM
Brat.....:lol: no they don't....I'm just nice and the nice one treat me that way back.

BTW Travis Henry was so not nice to anyone except maybe his team mates....

That last year was tough, but there was a lot going on in that back ground. I just felt like there was a lot of tension all the way around.....not a good year.

I think there was another reason Jake decided to leave football at the end of that year. Darrent was killed the night of their last game. It kicked everyone in the gut. I'm sure if I've had a bad year at my job and then and much younger co worker is killed there would be a part of me that asks myself what am I doing. Jake had the money to do something else if his heart wasn't in it anymore, so I think that's the road he took. I'm sure he has second guessed himself since he made that decision, but I don't think he is sorry for moving on with his life, getting married and starting a family.

It's kind of funny that we are talking about him all these years later and having Jake wars again....:laugh: Dang Peyton....look what you have done....:confused:

Travis was mean to you Pola? I used him as an example because I felt like being an ass to Wave.

NightTrainLayne
09-10-2014, 01:22 PM
Players tend to band together. It would be hard for me to read that and not feel that it was written with bias.

???? I guess if there was a "Player" writing it your statment might make sense. But Fatsis is not a "Player". He's a writer. Prior to this book he entered competitive Scrabble, and wrote a book about the Scrabble world championships. He's not a football player.

Northman
09-10-2014, 01:23 PM
???? I guess if there was a "Player" writing it your statment might make sense. But Fatsis is not a "Player". He's a writer. Prior to this book he entered competitive Scrabble, and wrote a book about the Scrabble world championships. He's not a football player.

Why did you say he joined the team as a kicker?

MasterShake
09-10-2014, 01:27 PM
Why did you say he joined the team as a kicker?

Its a game he likes to play called "**** with Northman".

Buff
09-10-2014, 01:34 PM
I would highly recommend reading the book "A Few Seconds of Panic" for everyone in this thread.

Stephan Fatsis joined the Broncos during that ill-fated season as a kicker. . .really he's just a writer, and wanted to write about the high-pressure atmosphere of being a kicker in the NFL.

Little did he know, he'd be behind the scenes as well for a huge drama of a QB controversy between a legendary coach and Plummer/Cutler.

After reading that book, I came away with Shanny (who I loved) reduced a few levels from the pedastal I had put him on. Jake is not an all-pro, but he's also not a quitter, and he doesn't hate the fans etc. He was, I believe, mis-treated, but that's life. I don't really hold it against Shanny. .. he brought us 2 super-bowls. But Jake was never going to be Elway. Of course, Cutler was never going to be Elway either.

I do seem to see some parallels within the past couple of seasons between Shanny and RGIII's relationship, and Shanny/Plummer. RGIII has said some very negative things, and there's two sides to every story, but I'll be damned if there's not some similarities there.

Pick up "A Few Seconds of Panic". Great read. Fatsis is a pretty good writer.

I really need to read that book. Thanks for the reminder.

For better or for worse, Shanny is a grudge holder. So I could absolutely see him being a passive aggressive boss who is difficult to work with. And once you were in his doghouse, it was difficult to extract yourself. So in that regard, I could see how a player would have a very negative opinion of him...

But I guess my question is - do you think there might have been a method to his madness? Like, if he feels like the other guy isn't living up to their end of the bargain, then maybe his methodology for dealing with them was flawed - but there does seem to be a pattern with the type of players he's alienated. It's the guys who he didn't feel were doing enough preparation.

Northman
09-10-2014, 01:35 PM
Its a game he likes to play called "**** with Northman".

Ah.

Anyway. The question i have to ask anyone on here is did people really think that Shanahan was there to be everyone's friend or to coddle the players? It wasnt Shanny's job to be cute and cuddly, he was there to make sure players were prepared and were doing everything within their power to better themselves for the greater good of the team. So yea, i believe that Shanahan could probably be a dick at times. He isnt there to be buddy buddy with them as he has a job to do. Hell, even Jake himself admitted he would not put the extra work in, he just wanted to show and play and that is what people like myself have an ultimate problem with. As Wave put it a few pages back, Jake was effective but far far from great as some people on here want to perceive.

BroncoWave
09-10-2014, 01:38 PM
North, who on here is saying Jake was great? I haven't seen that posted by anyone.

Northman
09-10-2014, 01:40 PM
North, who on here is saying Jake was great? I haven't seen that posted by anyone.

A lot of you guys are implying that just because he happened to make a few playoff games.

aberdien
09-10-2014, 01:42 PM
He's talking about the football player.

No he isn't, he's saying Plummer is a quitter who hates the fans. We have a few first hand accounts to disprove the second part of that.

Rex
09-10-2014, 01:52 PM
Players tend to band together. It would be hard for me to read that and not feel that it was written with bias.

He wasnt a player.

The book speaks volumes about who Shanny is and sheds a lot of light on the whole situation

Slick
09-10-2014, 01:56 PM
No he isn't, he's saying Plummer is a quitter who hates the fans. We have a few first hand accounts to disprove the second part of that.

That's only a part of what Buff said. There's also a few first hand accounts that contradict the first hand accounts you speak of.

BroncoWave
09-10-2014, 02:03 PM
And did anyone ever stop and consider that maybe shanahan was in the wrong with how he treated players given that he's been fired twice recently and had feuds with multiple qbs?

BroncoWave
09-10-2014, 02:04 PM
North, who on here is saying Jake was great? I haven't seen that posted by anyone.

A lot of you guys are implying that just because he happened to make a few playoff games.

You are inferring it but no one is implying it. We're just saying he was better than many give him credit for.

Northman
09-10-2014, 02:08 PM
And did anyone ever stop and consider that maybe shanahan was in the wrong with how he treated players given that he's been fired twice recently and had feuds with multiple qbs?

No.

He was fired because he couldnt win games consistently. Like Joe Gibbs, the game had simply passed him by.

Northman
09-10-2014, 02:09 PM
You are inferring it but no one is implying it. We're just saying he was better than many give him credit for.

So you agree he was overrated but efficient. Im glad we got that sorted.

aberdien
09-10-2014, 02:14 PM
So you agree he was overrated but efficient. Im glad we got that sorted.

He's not overrated because nobody thinks he was a great QB, in spite of the words you wanna put in peoples' mouths.

Northman
09-10-2014, 02:17 PM
He's not overrated because nobody thinks he was a great QB, in spite of the words you wanna put in peoples' mouths.

Of course he is which was the point of this thread.

BroncoWave
09-10-2014, 02:20 PM
How is he overrated north? That would mean the majority of people are saying he was a great qb. Given than not a single person is saying that, who exactly is overrating him? If anything I think he's underrated because of how many people like to say he flat out sucked.

Simple Jaded
09-10-2014, 02:22 PM
Ya know who's overrated? Emma Watson, and she hates puppies, and the Broncos too.

BroncoWave
09-10-2014, 02:23 PM
North, are you sure you know what overrated means?

Northman
09-10-2014, 02:24 PM
Emma Watson, and she hates puppies, and the Broncos too.

She might. She has a couple of cats (better than dogs anyway) but i dont think she even knows who the Broncos are. She likes European foozeball.

Northman
09-10-2014, 02:25 PM
North, are you sure you know what overrated means?

Of course. Do i need to post a pic of Plummer again?

Simple Jaded
09-10-2014, 02:27 PM
She might. She has a couple of cats (better than dogs anyway) but i dont think she even knows who the Broncos are. She likes European foozeball.

I like cats.

I could be wrong, I wanna be wrong.......did she grow her boobs yet?

BroncoWave
09-10-2014, 02:28 PM
North, are you sure you know what overrated means?

Of course. Do i need to post a pic of Plummer again?

Tell us what you think overrated means then.

Northman
09-10-2014, 02:28 PM
I like cats.

I could be wrong, I wanna be wrong.......did she grow her boobs yet?

Lmao

Northman
09-10-2014, 02:28 PM
Tell us what you think overrated means then.

Jake Plummer. We've been over this.

aberdien
09-10-2014, 02:29 PM
Why is Jake Plummer overrated?

Northman
09-10-2014, 02:31 PM
Why is Jake Plummer overrated?

Because some people believe he is?

aberdien
09-10-2014, 02:32 PM
So there's no logic behind it then. Glad we're clear.

Northman
09-10-2014, 02:33 PM
Clearly you guys feel differently but why are you trying so hard to convince people otherwise? Dude was efficient but overrated by some fans.

Northman
09-10-2014, 02:33 PM
So there's no logic behind it then. Glad we're clear.

Says who? You? Get over yourself already. lol

BroncoWave
09-10-2014, 02:36 PM
North I have no clue WTF you're even talking about right now.

aberdien
09-10-2014, 02:37 PM
Clearly you guys feel differently but why are you trying so hard to convince people otherwise? Dude was efficient but overrated by some fans.

Well you're saying he's overrated, but not basing that off of anything, thus making it a pretty pointless opinion. I don't even give a shit if you think he's overrated, but i'm interested in knowing why. Saying "he was efficient but overrated by fans" doesn't explain why you think he's overrated.

Northman
09-10-2014, 02:40 PM
Well you're saying he's overrated, but not basing that off of anything, thus making it a pretty pointless opinion. I don't even give a shit if you think he's overrated, but i'm interested in knowing why. Saying "he was efficient but overrated by fans" doesn't explain why you think he's overrated.

He's overrated because he was an inconsistent passer, he didnt want to the necessary things to better himself as a QB, when things got tough in Denver he folded. This is why i think he is overrated. The fact that he had success in Denver and made a handful of playoff games do not make him a great QB nor does it make him underrated to me.

BroncoWave
09-10-2014, 02:48 PM
Well you're saying he's overrated, but not basing that off of anything, thus making it a pretty pointless opinion. I don't even give a shit if you think he's overrated, but i'm interested in knowing why. Saying "he was efficient but overrated by fans" doesn't explain why you think he's overrated.

He's overrated because he was an inconsistent passer, he didnt want to the necessary things to better himself as a QB, when things got tough in Denver he folded. This is why i think he is overrated. The fact that he had success in Denver and made a handful of playoff games do not make him a great QB nor does it make him underrated to me.

Omg north that's not what overrated means. Overrated means people in general have a much higher opinion on a player than what is actually true. Since almost everyone thinks he was either average or sucked, then he's not overrated. He's either rated properly or even underrated.

Northman
09-10-2014, 02:51 PM
Overrated means people in general have a much higher opinion on a player than what is actually true.

And that is exactly how you and some of the others have been talking about him in this thread.

Timmy!
09-10-2014, 02:52 PM
:pop2:

BroncoWave
09-10-2014, 02:55 PM
Overrated means people in general have a much higher opinion on a player than what is actually true.

And that is exactly how you and some of the others have been talking about him in this thread.

No, not really. Show one post in this thread that portrays him as a great qb.

Hawgdriver
09-10-2014, 02:57 PM
The question i have to ask anyone on here is did people really think that Shanahan was there to be everyone's friend or to coddle the players? It wasnt Shanny's job to be cute and cuddly, he was there to make sure players were prepared and were doing everything within their power to better themselves for the greater good of the team.

I thought his job was to win football games. 39-15.

Northman
09-10-2014, 03:00 PM
I thought his job was to win football games. 39-15.

It is, just like it is for Manning but you know, he puts in the additional work necessary to you know? Make the SB and chit.

Northman
09-10-2014, 03:01 PM
No, not really. Show one post in this thread that portrays him as a great qb.


Im not sifting back through all this just so you can keep this pissing contest going. Just concede and we can move on.

BroncoWave
09-10-2014, 03:05 PM
No, not really. Show one post in this thread that portrays him as a great qb.


Im not sifting back through all this just so you can keep this pissing contest going. Just concede and we can move on.
The actual reason is because those posts don't exist but i'll let you pretend is because you are being noble.

Hawgdriver
09-10-2014, 03:09 PM
It is, just like it is for Manning but you know, he puts in the additional work necessary to you know? Make the SB and chit.

So where does making the AFCCC stack up when using the Manning-additional-work-calculus? Maybe in between getting bounced by the Ravens in the divisional game and getting bounced by the Seahawks in the SB?

Northman
09-10-2014, 03:10 PM
So where does making the AFCCC stack up when using the Manning-additional-work-calculus? Maybe in between getting bounced by the Ravens in the divisional game and getting bounced by the Seahawks in the SB?

When the player actually admits he doesnt put the extra work in? I would start there.

Hawgdriver
09-10-2014, 03:12 PM
When the player actually admits he doesnt put the extra work in? I would start there.

That's just the swag talking. Don't buy it.

Northman
09-10-2014, 03:16 PM
That's just the swag talking. Don't buy it.

Uh huh, keep telling yourself that.

Hawgdriver
09-10-2014, 03:21 PM
Uh huh, keep telling yourself that.

One time is enough.

aberdien
09-10-2014, 03:49 PM
And that is exactly how you and some of the others have been talking about him in this thread.

I'm pretty sure most if not all of us have said something to the effect of "he was never the greatest QB" so that's why i'm confused at why you're calling him overrated whenever we all could pretty much find agreement on his talent level.

BroncoWave
09-10-2014, 04:04 PM
And that is exactly how you and some of the others have been talking about him in this thread.

I'm pretty sure most if not all of us have said something to the effect of "he was never the greatest QB" so that's why i'm confused at why you're calling him overrated whenever we all could pretty much find agreement on his talent level.

Because he's using overrated to mean "not a great player" instead of it's actual meaning of "worse than most people rate him"

Hawgdriver
09-10-2014, 04:28 PM
I'm surprised Jake never did any TV work. If he pitched me a Honda Element or a Nissan Leaf, I'd probably buy one on the spot. I can see the ad in my head. . . {{wavy dream sequence}} . . .

[Bearded Jake Plummer walks to his Honda Element with pads on, pauses before opening door] "Hi, I'm Jake Plummer quarterback of the Denver Broncos. Besides 39 and 15 I also enjoy me some good clean livin."

[Opens door, granola spills out in Niagara-like cascade] "Heh, don't worry about that. This Honda Element spontaneously generates flax-kale granola when it's parked. What's not consumed is eventually converted into biofuels and bluebird food. Clean livin!" [Bluebird comes to rest on Jake's shoulder] "Hey little fella!"

“One of my favorite features? The in-dash yogurt dispensary. On gameday, nothing beats freshly cultured greek yogurt. Make sure you ask for the fresh fruit package. And that other kind of dispensary? This Element will get you there."

"Oh, and this right here? [Gestures to retractable camelback style sip-hose] On-demand Kombucha, fermented using engine heat and reclaimed highway fungus. Perfect for after two-a-days.”

"Nothin beats clean livin. Oh, and don't bother asking for GPS navigation--with this baby's expansive moonroof you'll have no trouble finding that mountain bluegrass festival using celestial navigation."

"So whether you are running late to the practice field, or searching for stillness, Honda Element will get you there."

[Narrator] Honda. Clean. Living.

MasterShake
09-10-2014, 04:57 PM
As an Element owner I can tell you that is all true.

BroncoWave
09-10-2014, 04:58 PM
Btw, this has been a super fun thread guys. I haven't been in a good Jake Plummer argument in a while. 10/10, would discuss again.

Slick
09-10-2014, 05:36 PM
That was awesome Hawg.

pnbronco
09-10-2014, 07:19 PM
That was awesome Hawg.

I so agree....so you know Jake too. He's a hoot. Just forgot his t-shirts falling out...he loved t-shirts.

MOtorboat
09-10-2014, 08:23 PM
Love me some Jake Plummer.

MasterShake
09-10-2014, 10:11 PM
I'm pretty sure most if not all of us have said something to the effect of "he was never the greatest QB" so that's why i'm confused at why you're calling him overrated whenever we all could pretty much find agreement on his talent level.

Well its all subjective then. Plummer's critics rate him as "poor", "sub-par", or "shit-tastic" so from that perspective others having him being merely "ok" is overrating him.

OB
09-10-2014, 10:17 PM
He only had a good year or two after leaving but I still blame mcdouchebag for ruining the possibility of having some good years

Simple Jaded
09-10-2014, 10:44 PM
Yeah, **** McHoodie.

Over...rated :clap: :clap: :clapclapclap: Over...rated :clap: :clap: :clapclapclap

Dapper Dan
09-10-2014, 11:36 PM
Well its all subjective then. Plummer's critics rate him as "poor", "sub-par", or "shit-tastic" so from that perspective others having him being merely "ok" is overrating him.

Am I a critic? I think he's slightly above average.

Canmore
09-11-2014, 02:16 AM
Am I a critic? I think he's slightly above average.

Quarterbacks ultimately are judged on wins and losses. Fair or unfair. Plummer won games.

Canmore
09-11-2014, 02:21 AM
OMG.. I was screaming at the TV to STOP RUNNING... and when he went down awkwardly, I thought he broke an ankle. I NEVER want to see Manning do that again! (unless running to win the Super Bowl)

I thought he tore his achilles.

MasterShake
09-11-2014, 08:23 AM
Am I a critic? I think he's slightly above average.

You are a critic but not being critical (which means you are just giving an opinion), I think he is slightly above average as well. I was just trying to point out why some of the people who really dislike Plummer say he is overrated. In their minds anyone who thinks he was ok, good, or slightly above average is overrating him and in my mind people who think he was one of the worst or just bad are underrating him. Personal perspective sets your opinion, and when you compare it to other opinions and perspectives sometimes "Internet Arguments" start. Here is a visual representation of the argument below:

http://imageshack.com/a/img673/3441/AbQjI1.gif

CrazyHorse
09-12-2014, 12:07 AM
This thread has made it to 16 pages? Coincidentally that was also his number.

TXBRONC
09-12-2014, 08:33 AM
This thread has made it to 16 pages? Coincidentally that was also his number.

That is going to change soon.

BeefStew25
09-12-2014, 08:43 AM
Filler filler.

slim
09-12-2014, 09:44 AM
I feel like Jake is rated appropriately.

Thnikkaman
09-12-2014, 09:47 AM
I think Emma Watson is greatly overrated. I've seen more feminine cross dressers...in person.

I live the life Beef pretends he does.

slim
09-12-2014, 09:51 AM
I think Emma Watson is greatly overrated. I've seen more feminine cross dressers...in person.

I live the life Beef pretends he does.


You bang dudes?

Thnikkaman
09-12-2014, 09:53 AM
You bang dudes?

No, but neither does beef.

TXBRONC
09-12-2014, 04:28 PM
I think Emma Watson is greatly overrated. I've seen more feminine cross dressers...in person.

I live the life Beef pretends he does.

Good to see you back Thnik.

Northman
09-13-2014, 09:40 AM
You bang dudes?

Of course does, why would he be hanging with cross dressers?

Poet
09-14-2014, 05:18 PM
To hate Jake Plummer is to hate your years with him as a winning and respected franchise in the league. It is also to admit that you thought Cutler was going to be elite.

Nomad
09-14-2014, 05:29 PM
To hate Jake Plummer is to hate your years with him as a winning and respected franchise in the league. It is also to admit that you thought Cutler was going to be elite.

This is the best quote I have ever read by you:salute::lol:

Thnikkaman
09-14-2014, 10:27 PM
Of course does, why would he be hanging with cross dressers?


For the groupies

Buff
09-17-2014, 10:03 AM
To hate Jake Plummer is to hate your years with him as a winning and respected franchise in the league. It is also to admit that you thought Cutler was going to be elite.

I certainly don't need a Bengals fan telling me how to feel about any Broncos players! He hasn't been badmouthing your fanbase at every opportunity. Guy got paid millions and feels like he got a raw deal. He's a loser.

MOtorboat
09-17-2014, 10:12 AM
I certainly don't need a Bengals fan telling me how to feel about any Broncos players! He hasn't been badmouthing your fanbase at every opportunity. Guy got paid millions and feels like he got a raw deal. He's a loser.

Granted you don't get paid millions, but you called much of the fan base douchebags yesterday.

:coffee:

(Not that I disagree)

Buff
09-17-2014, 10:17 AM
Granted you don't get paid millions, but you called much of the fan base douchebags yesterday.

:coffee:

(Not that I disagree)

Yeah, I'm not the starting QB being paid millions to act the part. I'm just some anonymous dungeons and dragons playing internet a-hole. Not exactly apples to apples.

Thnikkaman
09-17-2014, 10:28 AM
Yeah, I'm not the starting QB being paid millions to act the part. I'm just some anonymous dungeons and dragons playing internet a-hole. Not exactly apples to apples.

Do you think Mo would fit in a Bag of Holding +2?

Buff
09-17-2014, 10:34 AM
Do you think Mo would fit in a Bag of Holding +2?

Only if you also use the wizard potion cloak.

Thnikkaman
09-17-2014, 10:36 AM
Only if you also use the wizard potion cloak.

I was considering just using my Vorpal sword to make Mo more compact before putting him inside.

BroncoJoe
09-17-2014, 10:57 AM
Anyone that doesn't like Jake the Snake probably loves Phil Simms.