Ray Rice video released

[ShaneFalco]

http://www.tmz.com/2014/09/08/ray-rice-elevator-knockout-fiancee-takes-crushing-punch-video/

Should be kicked for a year or two.


The police offered both this and the aftermath video to the NFL. They stated they watched neither because it "wasn't important".


Just like the Spy gate tapes right Goodell?

[DenBronx]

Disturbing

[Northman]

Sad but wont change the punishment for Rice. Only going forward should it happen again but its quite sad that Goodell and the league didnt bother to view it at all. Shame on them.

[GEM]

Not important? Brush domestic violence under the rug...I'm happy they went back and got it right, but seriously, how do you say a videotape like that isn't important. Little shitwad. And she's a dumb bitch for marrying him. Once a wife beater, always a wife beater.

[Dzone]

She looked like a dead body laying there and rice acted like he didnt even care. Someone else had to come over and check on her. Is it to late for Goodell to change the punishment?
And Wes Welker gets 4 games and gordon gets a season. There were 39 players on suspension yesterday. Goodell needs to resign

[Northman]

She looked like a dead body laying there and rice acted like he didnt even care. Someone else had to come over and check on her. Is it to late for Goodell to change the punishment?
And Wes Welker gets 4 games and gordon gets a season. There were 39 players on suspension yesterday. Goodell needs to resign

The players union would never allow Goodell to add to Rice's punishment.

[BroncoWave]

If the NFL won't extend it, John Harbaugh needs to do the right thing give him a team imposed suspension.

[tomjonesrocks]

I don't know what she was doing in that video either, but Rice's nonchalance is crazy. He's just kinda dragging her around and dropping her back on the floor. Didn't look too concerned, did he?

[aberdien]

At least he didn't smoke weed or anything or else he might have had to be out for more than 2 games.

[weazel]

blame the NFL and be shocked and outraged all you want but the bottom line is... this bimbo married him. Sorry I can't feel sorry for her.

[Dzone]

The shit some women will put up with for money

[Tebowtime2011]

If the NFL won't extend it, John Harbaugh needs to do the right thing give him a team imposed suspension. and risk tanking the season and be put in the hot seat, not gonna happen the ravens offense looked one dimensional yesterday without him.

[BroncoWave]

If the NFL won't extend it, John Harbaugh needs to do the right thing give him a team imposed suspension. and risk tanking the season and be put in the hot seat, not gonna happen the ravens offense looked one dimensional yesterday without him.

I don't think rice will make our break their season. He was pretty awful last year. Once running backs start to lose it, they don't typically get it back.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

some things from article:


Broncos co-captain Terrance Knighton called for Ray Rice to be “thrown out of the NFL and thrown into jail” after previously undisclosed security footage released on Monday showed Rice throwing a left punch to the face of his then-fiancée, knocking her out cold.

“Shame on those deciding his punishment,” Knighton said. “Smh (Shaking my head).”

“If there’s anyway (sic) to open that case up and give this guy the punishment he deserves, it NEEDS to be done,” Knighton continued. “As players we must speak up. Stand up for what’s right. I don’t give a damn who u are or how much money you make. No place for this.

“As players we always speak on how we are unfairly treated, well now what?”

full article - http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2014/09/08/terrance-knighton-ray-rice-tweets/29292/

[BigDaddyBronco]

Good for Knighton. At some point Goddell needs to say **** the players union, let them look like the bad guys for trying to get his suspension reduced.

[Poet]

Rice deserves to be banned for an entire year. I assume there is a double jeopardy clause in the NFL disciplinary code that bars him from being punished twice.

[GEM]

http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014/9/8/6121697/terrance-knighton-tweets-nfl-ray-rice-video

Some twitter comments from various players and former players. Everyone seems pretty disgusted.

[slim]

Two black eyes with one punch.

The black eye to the commish is kind of entertaining.

[broncofaninfla]

Since the NFL failed to administer the proper punishment Baltimore should step and cut his ass. The other 31 teams should blacklist him and never sign him again.

[aberdien]

Part of me hopes Ray Rice gets to play all year. Defenses would be salivating.

[Northman]

http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014/9/8/6121697/terrance-knighton-tweets-nfl-ray-rice-video

Some twitter comments from various players and former players. Everyone seems pretty disgusted.

I have to admit, im a bit surprised by some of the responses but incredibly happy at the same time.

[weazel]

it's disgusting but I am surprised at everyone getting mad at it now. Wasn't it already known that he hit her in the elevator and dragged her out of it after? The earlier video shows him dragging her out. Why is it worse now that people are watching it? Seeing it for yourself shouldn't make it worse, it should be the same.

[tomjonesrocks]

it's disgusting but I am surprised at everyone getting mad at it now. Wasn't it already known that he hit her in the elevator and dragged her out of it after? The earlier video shows him dragging her out. Why is it worse now that people are watching it? Seeing it for yourself shouldn't make it worse, it should be the same.

Some of the reports said there was a fracus that resulted in her inadvertently banging her head (which it does look like the rail did catch after she was asleep on her feet--couldn't have helped).

I'm not sure all of us pictured a short, compact, left hook knockout blow.

His leisurely demeanor is not really what I'd picture either. I didn't see a "what have I done?" there...

[aberdien]

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/09/nfl-player-reaction-ray-rice

Plenty of current/former Broncos weighing in

[weazel]

Some of the reports said there was a fracus that resulted in her inadvertently banging her head (which it does look like the rail did catch).

I'm not sure all of us pictured a short, compact, left hook knockout blow.

His leisurely demeanor is not really what I'd picture either. I didn't see a "what have I done?" there...

well this is just me but when I seen the original video of him just nonchalantly dragging her out of the elevator and leaving her there I pictured pretty much what the new video showed. I figured she got in his face and he knocked her out.

The NFL looks just as bad as he does, It's been reported that the NFL had the video early on.

[VonDoom]

Breaking - Ravens cut Rice.

[Dzone]

Wow!!!! Wonder if anyone will sign him. Hats off to the ravens. No team wants to deal with that negative attention

[Slick]

it's disgusting but I am surprised at everyone getting mad at it now. Wasn't it already known that he hit her in the elevator and dragged her out of it after? The earlier video shows him dragging her out. Why is it worse now that people are watching it? Seeing it for yourself shouldn't make it worse, it should be the same.

It's just different when you see it for yourself.

[VonDoom]

Wow!!!! Wonder if anyone will sign him. Hats off to the ravens. No team wants to deal with that negative attention

Well, Incognito still hasn't been signed by anyone. I imagine Rice is going to have a hard time finding another job for a while. He also sucked ON the field as well as off of it last year, so there's that.

[weazel]

official, hes done... released

[MOtorboat]

Wow. Rice just got cut.

[Slick]

Didn't she marry him after that incident?

[MOtorboat]

My only question is: This has been going on for years with NFL players. Why now is it this egregious?

[MOtorboat]

Didn't she marry him after that incident?

The next day.

[weazel]

My only question is: This has been going on for years with NFL players. Why now is it this egregious?

people watched it on video...

[MOtorboat]

people watched it on video...

I guess so. Didn't Marshall do this? Clarence Kay? Vance Johnson?

[weazel]

Didn't she marry him after that incident?

yes, so she wouldnt have to go to court if he was charged

[aberdien]

Jon Lovett ‏@jonlovett 4m
The important thing is that the NFL takes domestic violence very seriously as long as there's video.

[aberdien]

Ryan Rosenblatt ‏@RyanRosenblatt 7m
The Ravens are really lucky that Roger Goodell has been a disaster because he's stealing a lot of the heat that they deserve

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Baltimore RavensVerified account ‏@Ravens

The #Ravens have terminated RB Ray Rice's contract this afternoon.

[Northman]

My only question is: This has been going on for years with NFL players. Why now is it this egregious?

Video evidence tends to really bump up the story. As Slick mentioned, seeing it gives people an idea of the through process behind it because Ray just hooks her and then drags her out as if he just killed her without any worry in the world. Hearing about Brandon Marshall doing stuff like that is one thing, seeing a player (or anyone) doing that makes it a bit more real if that makes any sense. Seeing is believing?

[Slick]

The next day.


yes, so she wouldnt have to go to court if he was charged

Whoa.


I guess so. Didn't Marshall do this? Clarence Kay? Vance Johnson?

They weren't caught on video. With the way the news gets reported today, you always have to try to reserve judgement.

The video is undeniable. What a piece of shit.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

The Baltimore Ravens have released running back Ray Rice, the team announced on Monday afternoon. The release comes following a video of him striking his then-fiancee Janay Palmer and knocking her unconscious leaked Monday through TMZ.

Ray Rice had been serving a two-game suspension handed down earlier this year by NFL commissioner Roger Goodell. Goodell has subsequently acknowledged his mistake in the face of widespread public criticism over the length of the suspension and the manner in which he investigated the matter. Goodell reportedly allowed Rice to be in the room when Palmer met with Goodell at the NFL offices.

rest - http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/9/8/6121917/ray-rice-cut-ravens-suspension

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter · 6m

Ravens had no choice but to terminate Ray Rice's contract. Will be a long time, if ever, before another team signs him.

I would hope that the next step would be that the NFL ban him from playing in the NFL

[weazel]

I would hope that the next step would be that the NFL ban him from playing in the NFL

won't have to, nobody will sign him

[Northman]

won't have to, nobody will sign him

Oh come on. YOU KNOW the Raiders are just salivating at the thought of it. lol

[Dzone]

Goodell suspends rice indefinitely. His career is probably over

[Denver Native (Carol)]

rest, and video

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11489134/baltimore-ravens-cut-ray-rice-new-video-surfaces

from above article:


TMZ's release of the video Monday spawned reaction that went beyond the sports world, but some of the strongest criticism came from Rice's peers. One of them, defensive tackle Terrance Knighton of the Broncos, tweeted, "As players we must speak up. Stand up for what's right. I don't give a damn who u are or how much money you make. No place for this."

[aberdien]

won't have to, nobody will sign him

That's why capitalism rules.

I personally don't think he should be banned for life because I believe in second chances. Brandon Marshall is a better human being in spite of his thing. A year at minimum absolutely. The video certainly makes disciplinary restraint basically unnecessary. But there needs to be consistency. Greg Hardy was convicted of assault this summer and the events as described here (http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/07/15/5044910/panthers-greg-hardy-arrives-for.html#.VA35VfBX-uY) are as dispicable if not worse, so if Ray Rice gets a ban, where is Hardy's ban?


Hardy, Holder said, flung her from the bed, threw her into a bathtub, then tossed her on a futon covered with rifles. Holder said Hardy ripped a necklace he had given her off her neck, threw it into a toilet and slammed the lid on her arm when she tried to fish it out.

The 6-foot-4, 265-pound Hardy dragged her by the hair room to room, she said, before putting his hands around her throat.

“He looked me in my eyes and he told me he was going to kill me,” said Holder, 24, who said she used to live with Hardy.

“I was so scared I wanted to die. When he loosened his grip slightly, I said, ‘Just do it. Kill me.’ ”

Later, as Holder said she was held by her former boyfriend’s personal assistant, she said Hardy made the 911 call, showed her the phone, and said, “Run, little girl. You’re going to jail.”

The punishment for such things should definitely be hard and consistent. One year ban for first offense, and then lifetime ban. That's how I would do it.

[VonDoom]

I would hope that the next step would be that the NFL ban him from playing in the NFL

Wish granted.


Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 4m

And now the NFL has announced that former Ravens RB Ray Rice has been suspended indefinitely.

[GEM]

Makes me love Pot Roast that much more.

[MOtorboat]

Ray McDonald played yesterday.

[MileHighCrew]

WOW, the Ravens have come a long way in supporting the greater good....... Wait didn't they just put up a Ray Lewis statue?
Either way, good for them. I'm sure there was a lot of pressure but it is still hard to cut a Ray Rice from your team

[weazel]

That's why capitalism rules.

I personally don't think he should be banned for life because I believe in second chances. Brandon Marshall is a better human being in spite of his thing. A year at minimum absolutely. The video certainly makes disciplinary restraint basically unnecessary. But there needs to be consistency. Greg Hardy was convicted of assault this summer and the events as described here (http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/07/15/5044910/panthers-greg-hardy-arrives-for.html#.VA35VfBX-uY) are as dispicable if not worse, so if Ray Rice gets a ban, where is Hardy's ban?



The punishment for such things should definitely be hard and consistent. One year ban for first offense, and then lifetime ban. That's how I would do it.


you have a point. The problem is nobody seen a video of it so there is always a question of what really happened. Im not saying the Hardy story didnt happen that way but this case was the same, 2 games before the video surfaced.

[slim]

Wow. Rice just got cut.

Seriously?

[MOtorboat]

Seriously?

Yes.

[aberdien]

Good job Ravens for your victim blaming.

https://twitter.com/Ravens/status/469918292061061120

[slim]

Yes.

I have a new found respect for that organization then.

Although I still hate them.

[MOtorboat]

That's why capitalism rules.

I personally don't think he should be banned for life because I believe in second chances. Brandon Marshall is a better human being in spite of his thing. A year at minimum absolutely. The video certainly makes disciplinary restraint basically unnecessary. But there needs to be consistency. Greg Hardy was convicted of assault this summer and the events as described here (http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/07/15/5044910/panthers-greg-hardy-arrives-for.html#.VA35VfBX-uY) are as dispicable if not worse, so if Ray Rice gets a ban, where is Hardy's ban?



The punishment for such things should definitely be hard and consistent. One year ban for first offense, and then lifetime ban. That's how I would do it.

Greg Hardy played yesterday.

[Northman]

Good job Ravens for your victim blaming.

https://twitter.com/Ravens/status/469918292061061120


WOW. lmao

[Slick]

What took so long for the video to come out? Legal reasons as part of his plea bargain?

I know what weazel said was true in that a wife can't be forced to testify against her husband. He avioded prosecution by agreeing to a pre trial intervention. Got 1 year probation and anger management classes.

I wonder if the DA had access to this video before an agreement was reached.

[MileHighCrew]

Good job Ravens for your victim blaming.

https://twitter.com/Ravens/status/469918292061061120

Wow just WOW

[Slick]

Good job Ravens for your victim blaming.

https://twitter.com/Ravens/status/469918292061061120

That went out in May. It's not like it was tweeted in reaction to the video being released.

[MOtorboat]

That went out in May. It's not like it was tweeted in reaction to the video being released.

It was tweeted after she spoke at a press conference.

[aberdien]

Yeah. The Ravens authorized that press conference in which the chick said sorry for Ray Rice knocking her unconscious.

[Slick]

It was tweeted after she spoke at a press conference.

It was a dumb thing to put out there but it didn't go out today. That's all I was trying to clarify.

[aberdien]

Matt Oswalt ‏@Puddinstrip 14m
I hope this Ray Rice fiasco is a lesson to all NFL players to always check for security cameras before punching a woman

Matt Oswalt ‏@Puddinstrip 2h
anyone have the over/under on how much Roger Goodell thought he paid that casino to burn only copy of the Ray Rice elevator video?

[Slick]

Yeah. The Ravens authorized that press conference in which the chick said sorry for Ray Rice knocking her unconscious.

Reeks of class doesn't it? I want to feel sorry for this woman but I am having a hard time doing so.

[aberdien]

Reeks of class doesn't it? I want to feel sorry for this woman but I am having a hard time doing so.

Why? I don't see how it's her fault.

[Northman]

Goodell suspends rice indefinitely. His career is probably over

Well, the good news is this will send a very clear message going forward regarding domestic violence. But i suppose by the rules he put in place he can always re-apply down the road.

[OB]

Maybe the wedding happened so fast there is no prenup and she can now divorce him and take half his shit

[MOtorboat]

I just really don't like the inconsistencies in the punishment.

Greg Hardy was convicted of throwing his girlfriend around their bedroom and bathroom, literally, and he played Sunday. Ray Rice hit a woman and he has been suspended indefinitely. Why? Because one was caught on video? And because it made the national news?

Granted, it has not gone through the spotlight like the other two cases, but Ray McDonald assaulted his pregnant wife a few weeks ago. Played on Sunday too.

Punish them harshly. But punish all of them harshly.

[Northman]

Maybe the wedding happened so fast there is no prenup and she can now divorce him and take half his shit

Oh man, he would be hating life if that happened.

[Northman]

I just really don't like the inconsistencies in the punishment.

Greg Hardy was convicted of throwing his girlfriend around their bedroom and bathroom, literally, and he played Sunday. Ray Rice hit a woman and he has been suspended indefinitely. Why? Because one was caught on video? And because it made the national news?

Granted, it has not gone through the spotlight like the other two cases, but Ray McDonald assaulted his pregnant wife a few weeks ago. Played on Sunday too.

Punish them harshly. But punish all of them harshly.


Maybe they are still being investigated? I havent followed those other stories but maybe Goodell is waiting for the final verdict on what happened?

[Slick]

Why? I don't see how it's her fault.

She married him the next day? She's either a gold digger or a complete dumbass or both.

If a guy did that to one of my sisters and they didn't leave the guy immediately I would feel the same way. He might be able to be rehabilitated, but he would have to find a new woman. There's no second chance for that.

[MOtorboat]

Maybe they are still being investigated? I havent followed those other stories but maybe Goodell is waiting for the final verdict on what happened?

Well, one has been prosecuted (Hardy), the other has not (McDonald).

Ray Rice was investigated, prosecuted, punished and is now being punished again for the same thing. I don't like that the original punishment probably wasn't enough, but I also don't like that he's being punished twice for the same incident. There's just a LOT of inconsistencies here. Of course, there are a lot of inconsistencies in what the NFL does in terms of punishment, on and off the field.

[Northman]

She married him the next day? She's either a gold digger or a complete dumbass or both.

If a guy did that to one of my sisters and they didn't leave the guy immediately I would feel the same way. He might be able to be rehabilitated, but he would have to find a new woman. There's no second chance for that.

There could be many things at play. I wouldnt automatically throw blame on her. If she believed she was "in love" with him she would do anything to keep him out of trouble. She certainly could be a gold digger and a dumbass but some women find that kind of behavior normal. But i think the idea is to try and get women who deal with this kind of stuff to change their way of thinking. Now, if she is just a gold digger than taking the meal ticket makes her incredibly stupid and selfish to women in general. She missed a big opportunity to set Ray straight but instead put blame on herself but we just dont know the motivation behind her thinking.

[Slick]

Well, one has been prosecuted (Hardy), the other has not (McDonald).

Ray Rice was investigated, prosecuted, punished and is now being punished again for the same thing. I don't like that the original punishment probably wasn't enough, but I also don't like that he's being punished twice for the same incident. There's just a LOT of inconsistencies here. Of course, there are a lot of inconsistencies in what the NFL does in terms of punishment, on and off the field.

It's Goodell being his inconsistent self. I'm sure the last thing he wanted was for this video to come out.

[Northman]

Well, one has been prosecuted (Hardy), the other has not (McDonald).

Ray Rice was investigated, prosecuted, punished and is now being punished again for the same thing. I don't like that the original punishment probably wasn't enough, but I also don't like that he's being punished twice for the same incident. There's just a LOT of inconsistencies here. Of course, there are a lot of inconsistencies in what the NFL does in terms of punishment, on and off the field.

Ok, was Hardy punished before the new rule was in place? If so, the Commish could not apply that to him since its a new rule. Now, with McDonald he would clearly fall under the new rule as that happened i believe a day or so after Goodell made his rule adjustment.

[MOtorboat]

Ok, was Hardy punished before the new rule was in place? If so, the Commish could not apply that to him since its a new rule. Now, with McDonald he would clearly fall under the new rule as that happened i believe a day or so after Goodell made his rule adjustment.

Rice was punished under the former policy, as well.

[Dapper Dan]

Looks like the video wasn't the only thing released.

[chazoe60]

Ray Rice is such a talented runner, he really hits the ho hard.

[Slick]

There could be many things at play. I wouldnt automatically throw blame on her. If she believed she was "in love" with him she would do anything to keep him out of trouble. She certainly could be a gold digger and a dumbass but some women find that kind of behavior normal. But i think the idea is to try and get women who deal with this kind of stuff to change their way of thinking. Now, if she is just a gold digger than taking the meal ticket makes her incredibly stupid and selfish to women in general. She missed a big opportunity to set Ray straight but instead put blame on herself but we just dont know the motivation behind her thinking.

I'm just speaking my mind here but if a woman stays with a man after he hits her, she isn't thinking rationally at all. She didn't even take a couple days to think about it. She married him the next freaking day. That just doesn't make sense to me.

[aberdien]

Calling her a dumbass etc for not leaving is pretty damn close to blaming her, IMO

http://www.domesticabuseproject.com/get-educated/compelling-reasons-women-stay/

[Northman]

Rice was punished under the former policy, as well.

Yes and no. Goodell had admitted that he handed down the wrong initial punishment. Add in the video to which they claim they had not seen (not sure why that would make a difference) but perhaps Ray had lied about some things that the video proved to be false. Dunno. The initial punishment was bogus, but im not going to slam them right now for guys who had done things prior to his rule adjustment. Now, if he gives McDonald less than (what was it 6-8 games?) than he will take some heat.

[MOtorboat]

I'm just speaking my mind here but if a woman stays with a man after he hits her, she isn't thinking rationally at all. She didn't even take a couple days to think about it. She married him the next freaking day. That just doesn't make sense to me.

The charges were later dropped, but at the time she had been arrested too.

[chazoe60]

She married him the next day? She's either a gold digger or a complete dumbass or both.

If a guy did that to one of my sisters and they didn't leave the guy immediately I would feel the same way. He might be able to be rehabilitated, but he would have to find a new woman. There's no second chance for that.
A wedding in which the bride has two black eyes is almost always uncomfortable.

[Northman]

I'm just speaking my mind here but if a woman stays with a man after he hits her, she isn't thinking rationally at all. She didn't even take a couple days to think about it. She married him the next freaking day. That just doesn't make sense to me.

I would generally agree with you but i have to kind of attribute it too my own issue with depression and suicidal thoughts. Its not a rational line of thinking but just is. With women who get abused they generally live in fear and if they have grown up in that kind of environment they dont know how to function outside of that kind of relationship. For her, its possible that she was more scared not to be with him than to stay and deal with the violence. Its not rational but its a common line of thinking with women and abuse.

[GEM]

Just adds to the argument that Goodell should not be judge and jury. There should be checks and balances.

[tomjonesrocks]

Maybe the wedding happened so fast there is no prenup and she can now divorce him and take half his shit

Don't you need a year in first?

Also she'd better hurry. Homeslice is gonna be broke soon if he's not already.

[Slick]

Calling her a dumbass etc for not leaving is pretty damn close to blaming her, IMO

http://www.domesticabuseproject.com/get-educated/compelling-reasons-women-stay/

It's not though. I'm not blaming her for him hitting her.

[GEM]

Calling her a dumbass etc for not leaving is pretty damn close to blaming her, IMO

http://www.domesticabuseproject.com/get-educated/compelling-reasons-women-stay/

It's all excuses. My ex broke my nose a couple times. I stayed and I was a dumbass. Once I stopped making excuses for his shitheaded bullshit, it was really pretty easy to move on.

[BroncoJoe]

Justice is being served.

I honestly don't get the Godell hate. I really don't. He admitted a mistake was made, and has since (albeit today) rectified it.

Why do so many people hate Godell?

[GEM]

Justice is being served.

I honestly don't get the Godell hate. I really don't. He admitted a mistake was made, and has since (albeit today) rectified it.

Why do so many people hate Godell?

Cause he's "the man". People have to have a figurehead to blame and hate...he's it.

[Northman]

Justice is being served.

I honestly don't get the Godell hate. I really don't. He admitted a mistake was made, and has since (albeit today) rectified it.

Why do so many people hate Godell?


Because he hasnt allowed all the pot smokers to avoid suspension.


lmao

[BroncoJoe]

Cause he's "the man". People have to have a figurehead to blame and hate...he's it.


Because he hasnt allowed all the pot smokers to avoid suspension.


lmao

If that's the best anyone can do, than shame on them.

[Slick]

Who said they hated Goodell?

[GEM]

If that's the best anyone can do, than shame on them.

That's just my guess. Sometimes he pisses me off, but overall I thinks he's done some excellent things with the NFL.

[Northman]

Who said they hated Goodell?

I think he is just talking in terms of why people complain so much about Goodell and his application of punishments. The reality for me is at least he is trying to clean it up even if the system is not yet perfect.

[Slick]

I think he is just talking in terms of why people complain so much about Goodell and his application of punishments. The reality for me is at least he is trying to clean it up even if the system is not yet perfect.

I think he has been inconsistent in doling out the punishments but I realize that he has a tough job. He is fairly compensated for it though. Maybe like Gem mentioned, they should set up a punishment committee to help. I thought they already had something like that.

[OB]

Don't you need a year in first?

Also she'd better hurry. Homeslice is gonna be broke soon if he's not already.

Really every state is different - I mean I doubt she would get half of anything at this point but maybe she plans on "toughing it out" but that just only makes her a gold digger IMHO

[OB]

Because he hasnt allowed all the pot smokers to avoid suspension.


lmao

I know - all those enhanced performing pot smokers - damn them to hell

[BeefStew25]

Man we could use a RB like Rice.

[BroncoJoe]

Who said they hated Goodell?

How long have you been reading threads here? The distaste for him is not hard to find.

[BroncoJoe]

I think he has been inconsistent in doling out the punishments but I realize that he has a tough job. He is fairly compensated for it though. Maybe like Gem mentioned, they should set up a punishment committee to help. I thought they already had something like that.

There is a committee. He does make the final decision, but with the input of others.

[weazel]

Just adds to the argument that Goodell should not be judge and jury. There should be checks and balances.

Im sure there were plenty of checks being passed around

[weazel]

so how long until he's a Patriot?

[Nomad]

Justice is being served.

I honestly don't get the Godell hate. I really don't. He admitted a mistake was made, and has since (albeit today) rectified it.

Why do so many people hate Godell?


Yep! I could never hit my wife or even get to that point.

Well, if these tough football players are hitting their wives & girlfriends, imagine the mental abuse those women get as well.

[Slick]

How long have you been reading threads here? The distaste for him is not hard to find.

6 years now. Wow, that's a long time. I guess I haven't noticed it as much as you have.

[CoachChaz]

Justice is being served.

I honestly don't get the Godell hate. I really don't. He admitted a mistake was made, and has since (albeit today) rectified it.

Why do so many people hate Godell?

I think a part of the issue is the inconsistency. A week ago he lays out suspension guidelines for domestic violence. Today he skips that and makes a new guideline. If that's the case, then shouldnt McDonald be suspended indefinitely? Or is he saying it's only this extreme right away if they catch you on tape? I completely agree with having a policy in place for this, but it's only a week old and already there is a double standard.

[aberdien]

http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/topic/59980-merged-ray-rice-video-and-release/page-3

Ravens fans claiming it's a conspiracy

[Northman]

http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/topic/59980-merged-ray-rice-video-and-release/page-3

Ravens fans claiming it's a conspiracy

Yea, some are very delusional. My niece is dating a guy that is a Ravens fan and he has been crying foul all over FB the last couple of hours. Even went as far as to say men and women are the same, yadda yadda yadda. Once i told him if he ever hits my niece i will wreck him he shut up pretty quickly.

[weazel]

http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/topic/59980-merged-ray-rice-video-and-release/page-3

Ravens fans claiming it's a conspiracy

damn read those posts! They're all saying both of them should be charged and she started it... LOL bunch of wife beaters in Baltimore. (anyone from Baltimore... I'm joking)

[Davii]

I think a part of the issue is the inconsistency. A week ago he lays out suspension guidelines for domestic violence. Today he skips that and makes a new guideline. If that's the case, then shouldnt McDonald be suspended indefinitely? Or is he saying it's only this extreme right away if they catch you on tape? I completely agree with having a policy in place for this, but it's only a week old and already there is a double standard.

The policy he laid out is triggered when there is a guilty conviction or plea. McDonald has neither, yet.

[MOtorboat]

The policy he laid out is triggered when there is a guilty conviction or plea. McDonald has neither, yet.

He already punished Rice. What triggered this?

[CoachChaz]

damn read those posts! They're all saying both of them should be charged and she started it... LOL bunch of wife beaters in Baltimore.

Not sure I agree with them whole heartedly because I dont know their intent, but I have witnessed something similar. Friend of mine was at a bar with his girlfriend and she got a little wasted and started nagging him to leave. Eventually, she got unruly and started slapping him and swinging at him. He put his hand out to stop her and it made contact with her face. She acted like it was a swing and dropped dramatically and hit her head on a table.

Cops arrested my friend and although he agreed to deferred adjudication...the arrest is still on his record. Prevents him from renting an apartment at certain places.

I guess the point is that there ARE situations where the woman is the one that creates the situation and the man pays for it. Not that it happened in Ray's scenario, but if there is evidence his wife started it...she should be accountable as well.

[CoachChaz]

He already punished Rice. What triggered this?

I guess that's more to the point of my question.

[Davii]

He already punished Rice. What triggered this?

I'm assuming the video. Apparently he wants proof of misconduct. I'm not defending Goodell, hate him all you want, I don't care. I'm only pointing out why McDonald isn't punished yet under the new policy.

[aberdien]

Not sure I agree with them whole heartedly because I dont know their intent, but I have witnessed something similar. Friend of mine was at a bar with his girlfriend and she got a little wasted and started nagging him to leave. Eventually, she got unruly and started slapping him and swinging at him. He put his hand out to stop her and it made contact with her face. She acted like it was a swing and dropped dramatically and hit her head on a table.

Cops arrested my friend and although he agreed to deferred adjudication...the arrest is still on his record. Prevents him from renting an apartment at certain places.

I guess the point is that there ARE situations where the woman is the one that creates the situation and the man pays for it. Not that it happened in Ray's scenario, but if there is evidence his wife started it...she should be accountable as well.

There is zero evidence the woman started it. He hit her, she retaliated, then he landed the TKO. People are also saying he spit on her. There are certainly instances where self-defense might be necessary in such instances. This is not one of them.

[Davii]

Not sure I agree with them whole heartedly because I dont know their intent, but I have witnessed something similar. Friend of mine was at a bar with his girlfriend and she got a little wasted and started nagging him to leave. Eventually, she got unruly and started slapping him and swinging at him. He put his hand out to stop her and it made contact with her face. She acted like it was a swing and dropped dramatically and hit her head on a table.

Cops arrested my friend and although he agreed to deferred adjudication...the arrest is still on his record. Prevents him from renting an apartment at certain places.

I guess the point is that there ARE situations where the woman is the one that creates the situation and the man pays for it. Not that it happened in Ray's scenario, but if there is evidence his wife started it...she should be accountable as well.

To whom? The NFL? I agree, she should be banned for life.

Maybe, even if she did start it, the concussion, black eyes, swollen face, headache, etc was "punishment" enough?

[aberdien]

Not sure I agree with them whole heartedly because I dont know their intent, but I have witnessed something similar. Friend of mine was at a bar with his girlfriend and she got a little wasted and started nagging him to leave. Eventually, she got unruly and started slapping him and swinging at him. He put his hand out to stop her and it made contact with her face. She acted like it was a swing and dropped dramatically and hit her head on a table.

Cops arrested my friend and although he agreed to deferred adjudication...the arrest is still on his record. Prevents him from renting an apartment at certain places.

I guess the point is that there ARE situations where the woman is the one that creates the situation and the man pays for it. Not that it happened in Ray's scenario, but if there is evidence his wife started it...she should be accountable as well.

There is zero evidence the woman started it. He hit her, she retaliated, then he landed the TKO.

[weazel]

He already punished Rice. What triggered this?

public outcry

[aberdien]

I'm assuming the video. Apparently he wants proof of misconduct. I'm not defending Goodell, hate him all you want, I don't care. I'm only pointing out why McDonald isn't punished yet under the new policy.

what about the Panthers guy who was convicted?

[MOtorboat]

I'm assuming the video. Apparently he wants proof of misconduct. I'm not defending Goodell, hate him all you want, I don't care. I'm only pointing out why McDonald isn't punished yet under the new policy.

I don't hate Goodell, and he's not the only person making this decision. It's just inconsistent. We ALREADY KNEW all of this happened. We KNEW he knocked his fiance out in an elevator. The NFL knew it, the Ravens knew it, the public knew it, the prosecutor knew it. He was charged, plead out, was punished.

Then somebody sells the tape to TMZ and he gets punished for the same thing? There isn't new evidence in the case. The DA isn't charging him further, or with stronger charges.

What if a tape of Brandon Marshall beating his girlfriend in Atlanta surfaces? Does he get banned indefinitely (going against the installed policy and ignoring the previous punishment and policy)?

It's just blatant inconsistencies that don't make any logical sense.

The Ravens releasing him for PR reasons (because that's what it comes down to), is one thing entirely different, btw.

[Davii]

what about the Panthers guy who was convicted?

Not even sure I know about that one.

[weazel]

I don't hate Goodell, and he's not the only person making this decision. It's just inconsistent. We ALREADY KNEW all of this happened. We KNEW he knocked his fiance out in an elevator. The NFL knew it, the Ravens knew it, the public knew it, the prosecutor knew it. He was charged, plead out, was punished.

Then somebody sells the tape to TMZ and he gets punished for the same thing? There isn't new evidence in the case. The DA isn't charging him further, or with stronger charges.

What if a tape of Brandon Marshall beating his girlfriend in Atlanta surfaces? Does he get banned indefinitely (going against the installed policy and ignoring the previous punishment and policy)?

It's just blatant inconsistencies that don't make any logical sense.

The Ravens releasing him for PR reasons (because that's what it comes down to), is one thing entirely different, btw.

I agree... it's inconsistent. Both are PR decisions though, not just the Ravens. Now the NFLPA is the one that will either defend him and look bad to the public or abandon him and look bad to the players. Not saying the players defend Rice, but the PA is there to serve the players and they have to try to help him some way.

[Dapper Dan]

I don't hate Goodell, and he's not the only person making this decision. It's just inconsistent. We ALREADY KNEW all of this happened. We KNEW he knocked his fiance out in an elevator. The NFL knew it, the Ravens knew it, the public knew it, the prosecutor knew it. He was charged, plead out, was punished.

Then somebody sells the tape to TMZ and he gets punished for the same thing? There isn't new evidence in the case. The DA isn't charging him further, or with stronger charges.

What if a tape of Brandon Marshall beating his girlfriend in Atlanta surfaces? Does he get banned indefinitely (going against the installed policy and ignoring the previous punishment and policy)?

It's just blatant inconsistencies that don't make any logical sense.

The Ravens releasing him for PR reasons (because that's what it comes down to), is one thing entirely different, btw.

What's the new punishment you speak of?

[Davii]

Like Weazel said, you're right, it is inconsistent. I personally feel Goodell was being completely forthright when he said "I didn't get it right", prompting the new policy. I think he was embarrassed and is using the release of this video as an excuse to set it right.

Ray Rice got what he deserved, he should have gotten this in the first place.

[elsid13]

what about the Panthers guy who was convicted?

I believe that case is still pending and there is no video to get released.

[MOtorboat]

What's the new punishment you speak of?

A second suspension, this time indefinite.

[weazel]

Let's just speculate what might have happened...

Rice blazes girlfriend in face and knocks her out
GF marries Rice next day
NFL finds out about said knockout and meets Rice to suspend without knowing full story.
NFL talks to wife and wife says it was her fault and he didnt really do much and I fell and hit my head.
NFL suspends Rice 2 games
now new video comes out showing she didnt fall and hit head, he blazed her and knocked her out
NFL says wow you both lied, thats new evidence, indefinite suspension.

[MOtorboat]

Let's just speculate what might have happened...

Rice blazes girlfriend in face and knocks her out
GF marries Rice next day
NFL finds out about said knockout and meets Rice to suspend without knowing full story.
NFL talks to wife and wife says it was her fault and he didnt really do much and I fell and hit my head.
NFL suspends Rice 2 games
now new video comes out showing she didnt fall and hit head, he blazed her and knocked her out
NFL says wow you both lied, thats new evidence, indefinite suspension.

I think that's fair, but that is speculation.

[Nomad]

I agree with Slick, she is a retard for marrying him after the incident.

[Nomad]

There is zero evidence the woman started it. He hit her, she retaliated, then he landed the TKO.

How can someone strong like Rice is, just haul back with a closed fist and knock out the woman he supposedly wants to marry? Were they high or drunk?

[Davii]

I think that's fair, but that is speculation.

I think it's basically what the nfl has said. They claim nobody in the league saw the elevator video until last night. I don't think it's hard to believe they obtained it at the same time as tmz.

[Slick]

Let's just speculate what might have happened...

Rice blazes girlfriend in face and knocks her out
GF marries Rice next day
NFL finds out about said knockout and meets Rice to suspend without knowing full story.
NFL talks to wife and wife says it was her fault and he didnt really do much and I fell and hit my head.
NFL suspends Rice 2 games
now new video comes out showing she didnt fall and hit head, he blazed her and knocked her out
NFL says wow you both lied, thats new evidence, indefinite suspension.

That's where I am sitting right now because I don't know if the NFL or the prosecuting attorney in the criminal case had access to the video. Even without the video I thought Rice's punishment was light in both cases. Bruises, black eyes and a concussion seemed like pretty damning evidence.

[Nomad]

From here & on forward, the NFL will have to give all guilty woman beaters the 'Ray Rice' punishment, and rightfully so.

[Slick]

Not sure I agree with them whole heartedly because I dont know their intent, but I have witnessed something similar. Friend of mine was at a bar with his girlfriend and she got a little wasted and started nagging him to leave. Eventually, she got unruly and started slapping him and swinging at him. He put his hand out to stop her and it made contact with her face. She acted like it was a swing and dropped dramatically and hit her head on a table.

Cops arrested my friend and although he agreed to deferred adjudication...the arrest is still on his record. Prevents him from renting an apartment at certain places.

I guess the point is that there ARE situations where the woman is the one that creates the situation and the man pays for it. Not that it happened in Ray's scenario, but if there is evidence his wife started it...she should be accountable as well.

Coach, are your friend and that woman still together?

[ShaneFalco]

Im not mad at what the punch necessarily, im mad at what he did after. Not even looking like he cared. I would be flipping out. But he has no emotion what so ever.

[Davii]

Im not mad at what the punch necessarily, im mad at what he did after. Not even looking like he cared. I would be flipping out. But he has no emotion what so ever.

If you had so little care for her that you'd knock her the hell out you probably wouldn't freak out. The fact that you'd freak out means you probably wouldn't hit her in the first place.

[BroncoJoe]

I think that's fair, but that is speculation.

Speculation? Really MO?

Isn't that what you're doing, and then getting upset with Godell for doing the same?

I think what weazel posted makes the most sense. I also heard on the radio - ESPN or The Fan - that the NFL initially asked for the tape and were told no because of the ongoing investigation. It was after the suspension when it was made available to the NFL.

[MOtorboat]

Speculation? Really MO?

Isn't that what you're doing, and then getting upset with Godell for doing the same?

I think what weazel posted makes the most sense. I also heard on the radio - ESPN or The Fan - that the NFL initially asked for the tape and were told no because of the ongoing investigation. It was after the suspension when it was made available to the NFL.

But what speculation am I using? He knocked his wife out in an elevator (we know this happened). He was punished with a 2-game suspension (we know this happened). The video was released (we know this happened). He was punished a second time (we know this happened).

What am I speculating about?

[BroncoJoe]

But what speculation am I using? He knocked his wife out in an elevator (we know this happened). He was punished with a 2-game suspension (we know this happened). The video was released (we know this happened). He was punished a second time (we know this happened).

What am I speculating about?

We know NOW what happened. Did you read weazel's post? Were you able to follow his timeline of events?

[MOtorboat]

We know NOW what happened. Did you read weazel's post? Were you able to follow his timeline of events?

We already knew what happened. It proves he knocked her out, correct? Didn't we already know that? That's what the DA charged him with. The DA hasn't filed any new charges to my knowledge.

I'm just trying to figure out what has changed.

[Nomad]

I'm trying to find my 'give-a-damn' for Rice and fair treatment. Who cares they changed their minds?

That was a brutal act, and from now on, in all the other domestic violence cases, this will be the image that will be portrayed.

[Dzone]

Rice acted like he has done this before. "She'll be fine, she's just knocked out"

[GEM]

We already knew what happened. It proves he knocked her out, correct? Didn't we already know that? That's what the DA charged him with. The DA hasn't filed any new charges to my knowledge.

I'm just trying to figure out what has changed.

It was a good reason to fix what he already said was a flawed punishment. It gave him cause to fix something that he said he got wrong.

[BroncoWave]

We already knew what happened. It proves he knocked her out, correct? Didn't we already know that? That's what the DA charged him with. The DA hasn't filed any new charges to my knowledge.

I'm just trying to figure out what has changed.

Mo, I think his fiancee claimed that she "fell" in the elevator and that he didn't hit her in there. Given that, I don't think you can say that we KNEW he hit her in there before the tape came out.

[MOtorboat]

It was a good reason to fix what he already said was a flawed punishment. It gave him cause to fix something that he said he got wrong.

I wish the NFL would be more consistent about punishments. That's really the bulk of my point.

[GEM]

I wish the NFL would be more consistent about punishments. That's really the bulk of my point.

I think they are trying. I just think they ignored DV for so long that it's biting them in the ass. I also want to know what is going to constitute punishment. A lot of women don't pursue charges to conviction, but a lot of states now force a charge since victims often do not. When does punishment come into play? Going to be interesting to follow.

[tomjonesrocks]

There is zero evidence the woman started it. He hit her, she retaliated, then he landed the TKO.

You see her kinda stick a snatchy little jab at him that didn't connect walking by before they got in the elevator. He casually walks behind her and gets in, and gets close to her, then you see the Mike Tyson KO soon after.

He's a piece of shit, but it kinda looks like she started it.

Edit: "Started it" is really the wrong phrase, but she was being stupid herself I think.

[aberdien]

You see her kinda stick a snatchy little jab at him that didn't connect walking by before they got in the elevator. He casually walks behind her and gets in, and gets close to her, then you see the Mike Tyson KO soon after.

He's a piece of shit, but it kinda looks like she started it.
Naaah. It looked like she was trying to ignore him, not looking at him at least. Then he slapped her or whatever. It's all on him. There was not even a remotely immediate threat to Rice to warrant a knockout.

[tomjonesrocks]

Naaah. It looked like she was trying to ignore him, not looking at him at least. Then he slapped her or whatever. It's all on him. There was not even a remotely immediate threat to Rice to warrant a knockout.

Obviously not. He's the lowest form of pond scum.

I just thought when I watched this morning she walked by and jabbed at him down the hallway before they approach the elevator.

I'll watch it again. Maybe I'm mistaken.

[aberdien]

Obviously not. He's the lowest form of pond scum.

I just thought when I watched this morning she walked by and jabbed at him down the hallway before they approach the elevator.

I'll watch it again. Maybe I'm mistaken.

It looked like she pushed him away. I meant that once they were both in the elevator (where he followed her), she was trying to ignore until he slapped her.

Regardless, there's gotta be something pretty extreme to warrant Ray Rice's reaction. Like almost life-threateningly extreme IMO. There's nothing remotely worthy of that sort of reaction. So discussing the woman's role in the beatdown is meaningless if you ask me. Even if she was being a cvnt, that doesn't justify Rice's reaction, which means I don't know why it's important to discuss it.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Vic Lombardi @VicLombardi · 3m

RT @JasonLaCanfora: Ravens should have ownership speaking to this issue. Not just the coach --- BINGO

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter · 2h

Teams notified that any contract with Ray Rice will not be approved or take effect until further direction is provided from Roger Goodell.

So, it appears "indefinite suspension" means that he may be allowed to play in the NFL once again??????

[BeefStew25]

We could use him Carol. Think about it.

[BroncoWave]

So, it appears "indefinite suspension" means that he may be allowed to play in the NFL once again??????

That's what indefinite means, no? Otherwise, it would have been a straight lifetime ban.

[tomjonesrocks]

It looked like she pushed him away. I meant that once they were both in the elevator (where he followed her), she was trying to ignore until he slapped her. Regardless, there's gotta be something pretty extreme to warrant Ray Rice's reaction. Like almost life-threateningly extreme IMO. There's nothing remotely worthy of that sort of reaction. So discussing the woman's role in the beatdown is meaningless if you ask me. Even if she was being a cvnt, that doesn't justify Rice's reaction, which means I don't know why it's important to discuss it.

The way he strolls around indifferently after as well...first time KO-ing a woman? I don't think so.

[Northman]

Like Weazel said, you're right, it is inconsistent. I personally feel Goodell was being completely forthright when he said "I didn't get it right", prompting the new policy. I think he was embarrassed and is using the release of this video as an excuse to set it right.

Ray Rice got what he deserved, he should have gotten this in the first place.

I agree with this and agree with what he did. I have no problem with his decision in this particular case. His initial punishment was wrong and he made it right. Domestic violence should not be taken lightly.

[Northman]

Let's just speculate what might have happened...

Rice blazes girlfriend in face and knocks her out
GF marries Rice next day
NFL finds out about said knockout and meets Rice to suspend without knowing full story.
NFL talks to wife and wife says it was her fault and he didnt really do much and I fell and hit my head.
NFL suspends Rice 2 games
now new video comes out showing she didnt fall and hit head, he blazed her and knocked her out
NFL says wow you both lied, thats new evidence, indefinite suspension.

It should also be noted (as i heard on local talk radio today) that the Ravens after talking with Rice initially were given the impression that Ray just pushed her and she fell and hit the railing. When they saw the video and it proved otherwise is when they cut the cord. So the fact that Ray initially lied about how it went down probably had a lot to do with the decision made today.

[Northman]

How can someone strong like Rice is, just haul back with a closed fist and knock out the woman he supposedly wants to marry? Were they high or drunk?

Yea, i never understood that either. But there was speculation as too whether or not he had done this before. Either with her or someone else because he showed zero remorse for it after it happened.

[chazoe60]

I find it ridiculous that it took the video to come out for this turd to get the boot (yeah I know obvious point). I guess the commish couldn't envision what it looks like when a muscled up goon knocks a woman out, he had to actually see it. What did he think it looked like?

[Slick]

Am I the only one who didn't know up until today that she married him less than 24 hours after him doing this to her?

[chazoe60]

Am I the only one who didn't know up until today that she married him less than 24 hours after him doing this to her?

I didn't know that either slick. How does that ceremony work? Why didn't the elevator attendant stand up and say something when the preacher asked if any one had objections to this union?

[Slick]

I didn't know that either slick. How does that ceremony work? Why didn't the elevator attendant stand up and say something when the preacher asked if any one had objections to this union?

It blows my mind.

[Northman]

Am I the only one who didn't know up until today that she married him less than 24 hours after him doing this to her?

I think so. But then again i live in Bmore so it wasnt hard to hear the news right away. :lol:

[Slick]

I think so. But then again i live in Bmore so it wasnt hard to hear the news right away. :lol:

I bet it's all anyone is talking about where you are.

[elsid13]

So, it appears "indefinite suspension" means that he may be allowed to play in the NFL once again??????

He will be on someone roster next season. The only reason NFL did anything now is because the public saw the video. We are talking about league that allowed Lawrence Phillips to play.

[Bronco4ever]

Do we know for sure Rice and his wife lied to the NFL about the details of the incident? If so, why would he have apologized in two different press conference? Wouldn't the apologies contradict his story? I'm with MO in that I don't understand what's different since the video was released other than reactive punishment from the NFL and the Baltimore Ravens.

[tomjonesrocks]

He will be on someone roster next season. The only reason NFL did anything now is because the public saw the video. We are talking about league that allowed Lawrence Phillips to play.

I doubt it. He might be washed up already--who would bring that mess in? If he were Forte or Charles or AP or something, sure.

Ok maybe Oak or Dal.

[MOtorboat]

I doubt it. He might be washed up already--who would bring that mess in? If he were Forte or Charles or AP or something, sure.

Ok maybe Oak or Dal.

He's younger than all 3.

He has more career yards than Charles. He's 10th on the active rushing list at 27. I bet he finds a place to play.

[elsid13]

I doubt it. He might be washed up already--who would bring that mess in? If he were Forte or Charles or AP or something, sure.

Ok maybe Oak or Dal.

Or NE and Seattle. NFL coaches have no morals when they need to win a ball game.

[DenBronx]

I drafted this scumbag in 2 fantasy leagues.

[Nomad]

Or NE and Seattle. NFL coaches have no morals when they need to win a ball game.

weazel is right though, this is a PR move, and Im sure those coaches & the NFL could give 2 shits about that girl. I'd like to have been a fly on the wall in Harbaugh's office because I'm sure he called the girl a few choice words.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

OWINGS MILLS, Md. -- Baltimore Ravens coach John Harbaugh said the decision to release Ray Rice came after the team's decision-makers watched the video of the former Pro Bowl running back striking his then-fiancee Janay Palmer for the first time Monday.

"It changed things of course," Harbaugh told a large gathering of reporters after Monday night's practice. "It made things a little bit different."

In addition to being cut by the Ravens, Rice was suspended indefinitely by the NFL after a grainy video was released by TMZ Sports that shows each hitting the other before Rice knocks Palmer off her feet and into a railing. An earlier TMZ video had showed Rice dragging Palmer, now his wife, from the elevator at the Revel casino, which closed Sept. 2.

rest - plus Harbaugh video - http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11491458/john-harbaugh-coach-baltimore-ravens-said-ray-rice-video-changed-things

[BeefStew25]

Imagine the tension at the Rice dinner table tonight.

[Pudge]

rest - plus Harbaugh video - http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11491458/john-harbaugh-coach-baltimore-ravens-said-ray-rice-video-changed-things

Did anybody else notice how many times he said it was the first time anyone watched it? Almost like he was trying to convince himself

[aberdien]

Rob Lowe ‏@RobLowe 1h
She said it's her dream job, the #NFL should give the job of commissioner to Dr. Condi Rice. Today. #TheGoodRice

[Pudge]

Rob Lowe ‏@RobLowe 1h
She said it's her dream job, the #NFL should give the job of commissioner to Dr. Condi Rice. Today. #TheGoodRice

I would love the move

[tomjonesrocks]

He's younger than all 3. He has more career yards than Charles. He's 10th on the active rushing list at 27. I bet he finds a place to play.

And I'm the pessimist.

Guy is Ike Turner. Stick a fork in him. He's done.

[BroncoJoe]

So, Ray Rice is a scumbag and yet it's the NFL's fault somehow?

I don't get it. All these conspiracy theories make you all sound like Falco.

[MOtorboat]

The outrage over this is becoming ludicrous.


Jay Glazer ‏@JayGlazer 7m
I do believe Ray Rice's NFL career is over. The outrage and how far he has to go to reverse the outrage inside teams... I believe he's done

Does he deserve a ban? Does he deserve a long ban? Hell yes.

But this has been happening to players in the league since the league's inception. We're 47 years into the league and NOW we're showing outrage and blackballing one guy for this? Kind of sad, really. Reminiscent of the steroid issue in baseball. League, teams, managers, players, writers, broadcasters turned a blind eye for years, then reports surfaced via books and boom, players blackballed.

In this case, video comes out of an incident, and finally something happens in this league. If this is so despicable, how is Brandon Marshall still in this league? Where is the public outcry for his banning? It's OK because it happened four years ago now?

I think he should be banned, over a year even, but not blackballed. That's shortsighted overreaction, not good policy or sound logic.

I get that the league can only move forward, can't retroact bans, but I just think a more tempered approach, say, like, following a policy you adopted two weeks ago, might be more sound and logical.

[BroncoJoe]

The outrage over this is becoming ludicrous.



Does he deserve a ban? Does he deserve a long ban? Hell yes.

But this has been happening to players in the league since the league's inception. We're 47 years into the league and NOW we're showing outrage and blackballing one guy for this? Kind of sad, really. Reminiscent of the steroid issue in baseball. League, teams, managers, players, writers, broadcasters turned a blind eye for years, then reports surfaced via books and boom, players blackballed.

In this case, video comes out of an incident, and finally something happens in this league. If this is so despicable, how is Brandon Marshall still in this league? Where is the public outcry for his banning? It's OK because it happened four years ago now?

I think he should be banned, over a year even, but not blackballed. That's shortsighted overreaction, not good policy or sound logic.

I get that the league can only move forward, can't retroact bans, but I just think a more tempered approach, say, like, following a policy you adopted two weeks ago, might be more sound and logical.

You'd make a shitty juror.

;)

[MOtorboat]

You'd make a shitty juror.

;)

Because I'd like to apply the law to something, not throw a book at them? Sorry, not understanding your comment.

[CoachChaz]

So by "indefinitely", they mean 6 games right? I'm just curious because the policy does state the first offense is only a 6 game suspension. It doesn't have an addendum that says it can be longer if it's on video.

I only bring this up because I'm curious as to what the NFLPA will have to say if it's longer

[BroncoJoe]

Because I'd like to apply the law to something, not throw a book at them? Sorry, not understanding your comment.

You noticed the wink, right?

That said, you can't know 100% what happened until you have facts. We don't know what Ray or his wife said to the NFL or the DA. If someone close to you was accused of something like this, you'd probably give them the benefit of a doubt.

Until actual evidence comes out.

[MOtorboat]

You noticed the wink, right?

That said, you can't know 100% what happened until you have facts. We don't know what Ray or his wife said to the NFL or the DA. If someone close to you was accused of something like this, you'd probably give them the benefit of a doubt.

Until actual evidence comes out.

Weren't you telling me earlier that the NFL now had the evidence needed for a longer suspension with the video?

The NFL's statement today said the suspension was for "additional evidence" not for lying to the commissioner as was speculated earlier. So, either the league is lying to us, or they suspended him because what we already knew happened, and he was already suspended for is why he's getting suspended again.

Either way, that's not the point I'm trying to make. I think suspensions should be consistent and adhere to policy. Two weeks ago they set a policy of a six-game suspension for first offense of domestic violence. This is Ray Rice's first offense and he's been suspended indefinitely. That's not consistent with the policy set just two weeks ago. That is irregardless of the inconsistency of punishing him twice for the same thing.

[BroncoJoe]

Weren't you telling me earlier that the NFL now had the evidence needed for a longer suspension with the video?

The NFL's statement today said the suspension was for "additional evidence" not for lying to the commissioner as was speculated earlier. So, either the league is lying to us, or they suspended him because what we already knew happened, and he was already suspended for is why he's getting suspended again.

Either way, that's not the point I'm trying to make. I think suspensions should be consistent and adhere to policy. Two weeks ago they set a policy of a six-game suspension for first offense of domestic violence. This is Ray Rice's first offense and he's been suspended indefinitely. That's not consistent with the policy set just two weeks ago. That is irregardless of the inconsistency of punishing him twice for the same thing.

How are you supposed to have consistency until all the facts are available?

Did you miss Godell's statement he made a mistake?

[MOtorboat]

How are you supposed to have consistency until all the facts are available?

The policy is six games. He got an indefinite suspension, and got punished twice for the same thing.

None of that is consistent with anything.

[BroncoJoe]

Also, irregardless isn't a real word.

[BroncoJoe]

The policy is six games. He got an indefinite suspension, and got punished twice for the same thing.

None of that is consistent with anything.

I honestly don't know what you're arguing.

[MOtorboat]

Also, irregardless isn't a real word.

Irregardless, I will continue to use it.

[BroncoJoe]

Irregardless, I will continue to use it.

Regardless works. No need for the ir...

[MOtorboat]

I honestly don't know what you're arguing.

Two questions:

What is the policy?
What is his suspension?

[MOtorboat]

Regardless works. No need for the ir...

Irregardless, I will continue to use my favorite, albeit not grammatically correct, word.

[BroncoJoe]

Two questions:

What is the policy?
What is his suspension?

Policy: fvck up and you're in trouble.

Why is this a big deal to you? Do you think the league is being too harsh? Should they ignore the video because they already "passed judgement"? The NFL isn't a court of law. It's a private business.

[MOtorboat]

Policy: fvck up and you're in trouble.

Why is this a big deal to you? Do you think the league is being too harsh? Should they ignore the video because they already "passed judgement"? The NFL isn't a court of law. It's a private business.

Because I really enjoy watching their product?

That's not the policy, by the way.

[BroncoJoe]

Because I really enjoy watching their product?

That's not the policy, by the way.

For every Ray Rice, there are 100 good guys playing.

So, you just want a black and white policy? What if initial reports are completely false?

[MOtorboat]

For every Ray Rice, there are 100 good guys playing.

So, you just want a black and white policy? What if initial reports are completely false?

The case has completely gone through the court system.

[BroncoJoe]

And, the policy is, fvck up, and you're in trouble. How much is the subjective part.

[BroncoJoe]

The case has completely gone through the court system.

Why isn't he in jail then?

I really don't know what your argument is, other than arguing.

[MOtorboat]

And, the policy is, fvck up, and you're in trouble. How much is the subjective part.

The penalties are pre-negotiated.

[MOtorboat]

Why isn't he in jail then?

I really don't know what your argument is, other than arguing.

Because the court didn't make him go to jail.

:noidea:

[BroncoJoe]

The penalties are pre-negotiated.

To my knowledge, there wasn't anything addressing domestic abuse.

Anyway, I'm tired, and will let you have the last word.

Until tomorrow, anyway.

[MOtorboat]

To my knowledge, there wasn't anything addressing domestic abuse.

Anyway, I'm tired, and will let you have the last word.

Until tomorrow, anyway.

Two weeks ago, the NFL set a policy that the first offense is six games. The second offense is a year.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/28/us/nfl-domestic-violence/

[Davii]

Because the court didn't make him go to jail.

:noidea:

The policy doesn't say you have to go to jail.


These steps are based on a clear, simple principle: domestic violence and sexual assault are wrong. They are illegal. They have no place in the NFL and are unacceptable in any way, under any circumstances. That has been and remains our policy.

Effective immediately, violations of the Personal Conduct Policy regarding assault, battery, domestic violence or sexual assault that involve physical force will be subject to a suspension without pay of six games for a first offense, with consideration given to mitigating factors, as well as a longer suspension when circumstances warrant.

Two game suspensio. The "I didn't get it right" should've been six games new policy. Now the mitigating factors new video makes it longer.

[MOtorboat]

The policy doesn't say you have to go to jail.

You're right, it doesn't. The policy says you get six games.

Joe was the one enquiring about why the court didn't send him to jail. That, I don't know. But I know he reached a plea deal.

[Davii]

You're right, it doesn't. The policy says you get six games.

With consideration given to mitigating factors as well as a longer suspension when circumstances warrnt.

[MOtorboat]

With consideration given to mitigating factors as well as a longer suspension when circumstances warrnt.

Potentially, sure. But what has changed? Before today the public already knew all of this happened. We KNEW he knocked his fiance out in the elevator. The NFL KNEW it. Law enforcement KNEW it. The court system KNEW it.

[MOtorboat]

Do you guys honestly not see the inconsistencies here?

[Slick]

Potentially, sure. But what has changed? Before today the public already knew all of this happened. We KNEW he knocked his fiance out in the elevator. The NFL KNEW it. Law enforcement KNEW it. The court system KNEW it.

The video of it happening for the whole world to see is an embarrassment for all of the above in your post. This video coming out is their worst nightmare. Rice's indefinite suspension is to quell the bloodthirsty mob for the moment.

[MOtorboat]

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[Davii]

Potentially, sure. But what has changed? Before today the public already knew all of this happened. We KNEW he knocked his fiance out in the elevator. The NFL KNEW it. Law enforcement KNEW it. The court system KNEW it.

Can you prove beyond reasonable doubt that the NFL knew that he knocked her out in the fashion shown in the video?

No, you cannot. We knew she was knocked unconscious, we knew it was domestic violence related. Until this video surfaced there was ZERO proof that it rose to a standard that should have warranted additional punishment (beyond the six games if it were to happen today). There was not a shred of evidence that he gave her a hook, the rumour mill says he told the team and league he shoved her and she fell down striking her head. Based on video evidence that was available 72 hours ago please prove that story to be false.

Like it or not this video PROVES his conduct rose to a level that merits stronger suspension than the six games. There is not an inconsistency here unless the league had seen this tape. If proof ever arises that they did I will agree with you but at this juncture your position is not supported by the facts.

[Davii]

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Im not disagreeing with that Mo. He should've been banned IMMEDIATELY. But your argument that this action from the league today doesn't match the new policy absolutely incorrect.

[MOtorboat]

Im not disagreeing with that Mo. He should've been banned IMMEDIATELY. But your argument that this action from the league today doesn't match the new policy absolutely incorrect.

Except it is correct. The penalty for the first offense is six games.

[CoachChaz]

That's my question. Are there hidden addendums listed somewhere that say the first offense is 6 games...unless the video embarrasses the commissioner...then we can change it.

[Davii]

Except it is correct. The penalty for the first offense is six games.

Mo, what don't you understand about the line in the policy that states "...consideration given to mitigating factors, as well as a longer suspension when circumstances warrant." ?

It is EXTREMELY clear that the policy allows for the NFL to give out a punishment they see fit for DV offenses that they feel merit more than six games. There is no inconsistency Mo. The wording to allow this is right there.

[MOtorboat]

Mo, what don't you understand about the line in the policy that states "...consideration given to mitigating factors, as well as a longer suspension when circumstances warrant." ?

It is EXTREMELY clear that the policy allows for the NFL to give out a punish, enter they see fit for DVD offenses that they feel merit more than six games. There is no inconsistency Mo. The wording to allow this is right there.

Well, yesterday. The exact same offense was two games. Today it's indefinite. The policy says six.

The DA says probation.

Just looks like a lot of inconsistency all around.

[Davii]

Well, yesterday. The exact same offense was two games. Today it's indefinite. The policy says six.

The DA says probation.

Just looks like a lot of inconsistency all around.

Or a misunderstanding on your part. One of the two. Goodell decided an offense was worth two games (he didn't have this video at this time based on official NFL spokesperson statements). Admiss he was wrong for two and releases a new policy saying a first offense will be six games with consideration given to mitigating circumstances for a longer suspension. He receives video and based on his new policy decides this constitutes mitigating circumstances that merit a longer suspension.

Where is the inconsistency? There was no policy when the two game was issued. The policy was created, the video surfaced and Ray can now be subjected to the new policy. It's very clear in the policy itself. Did you actually read the pdf copy of the letter?

[MOtorboat]

Or a misunderstanding on your part. One of the two. Goodell decided an offense was worth two games (he didn't have this video at this time based on official NFL spokesperson statements). Admiss he was wrong for two and releases a new policy saying a first offense will be six games with consideration given to mitigating circumstances for a longer suspension. He receives video and based on his new policy decides this constitutes mitigating circumstances that merit a longer suspension.

Where is the inconsistency? There was no policy when the two game was issued. The policy was created, the video surfaced and Ray can now be subjected to the new policy. It's very clear in the policy itself. Did you actually read the pdf copy of the letter?

Where aren't there inconsistencies?

He was punished twice for the same thing. The incident and the punishment were handed down before the policy was put in place. Do we have any clue how many players have done that and are not going to get suspended indefinitely now? It shouldn't only be Ray Rice. Why is Greg Hardy playing? He tossed his girlfriend all over their bedroom this summer and plead guilty. Because there's not video of it? That's inconsistent.

"Making up rules along the way," Adam Schefter just now on SportsCenter.

Everything about this has been a complete failure and inconsistent.

[Davii]

Where aren't there inconsistencies?

He was punished twice for the same thing. The incident and the punishment were handed down before the policy was put in place. Do we have any clue how many players have done that and are not going to get suspended indefinitely now? It shouldn't only be Ray Rice. Why is Greg Hardy playing? He tossed his girlfriend all over their bedroom this summer and plead guilty. Because there's not video of it? That's inconsistent.

"Making up rules along the way," Adam Schefter just now on SportsCenter.

Everything about this has been a complete failure and inconsistent.

Answering questions with questions.....

The timing of the video is the only question in my mind. If the nfl had the video prior to today they are wrong, and as I said earlier, I would agree with you. As it stands now, I don't, and I don't think we will arrive at agreement beyond Ray rice being a shitbag.

Ray won't be the only one. There will be at least two guys suspended on this new policy this year.

[Hawgdriver]

I think a part of the issue is the inconsistency. A week ago he lays out suspension guidelines for domestic violence. Today he skips that and makes a new guideline. If that's the case, then shouldnt McDonald be suspended indefinitely? Or is he saying it's only this extreme right away if they catch you on tape? I completely agree with having a policy in place for this, but it's only a week old and already there is a double standard.

Right. The lack of integrity is the problem. Breakdown of integrity in two ways. Can't believe a word the ownership mouthpiece says, and can't abide a breakdown in "due process" that we would expect from a fair system of justice. Reacting to the mob's bloodlust is the antithesis of the ideal of American justice.

Plus we see through the bullshit he's feeding us. It's the same problem with guys hiding behind their lawyer's advice to hedge toward maximum career contract value instead of owning their ****-ups and being square with the public. The NFL is a long ways off "my word is bond" and that's hard to respect. Maybe harder to respect than "getting it wrong" with regard to the punishment initially given to Rice.

I don't know that Goodell didn't see the video, but then you can only shake your head at how inept they are at their due diligence. Seems impossible given the lengths they go to protect their image.

So, next year look for the shiny NFL campaign that will tidy everything up:

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[Hawgdriver]

Breaking: Miller Lite "Commish" commercials pulled just as fast as the William's Jeweler's ads pitched by Welker.

[MOtorboat]

Right. The lack of integrity is the problem. Breakdown of integrity in two ways. Can't believe a word the ownership mouthpiece says, and can't abide a breakdown in "due process" that we would expect from a fair system of justice. Reacting to the mob's bloodlust is the antithesis of the ideal of American justice.

Plus we see through the bullshit he's feeding us. It's the same problem with guys hiding behind their lawyer's advice to hedge toward maximum career contract value instead of owning their ****-ups and being square with the public. The NFL is a long ways off "my word is bond" and that's hard to respect. Maybe harder to respect than "getting it wrong" with regard to the punishment initially given to Rice.

I don't know that Goodell didn't see the video, but then you can only shake your head at how inept they are at their due diligence. Seems impossible given the lengths they go to protect their image.

So, next year look for the shiny NFL campaign that will tidy everything up:

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Awesome post.

[Hawgdriver]

Good job Ravens for your victim blaming.

https://twitter.com/Ravens/status/469918292061061120

Sorry! That page doesn't exist!

[MOtorboat]

Sorry! That page doesn't exist!

Ravens deleted the post today.

[ShaneFalco]

:lol:

[Hawgdriver]

Tried to sweep that PR turd under the rug and poo-poori it away.

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This one's a floater.

[Northman]

Do we know for sure Rice and his wife lied to the NFL about the details of the incident? If so, why would he have apologized in two different press conference? Wouldn't the apologies contradict his story? I'm with MO in that I don't understand what's different since the video was released other than reactive punishment from the NFL and the Baltimore Ravens.

From what ive heard here it was pretty certain that Ray told a different story than what the video showed.

[Northman]

The outrage over this is becoming ludicrous.



Does he deserve a ban? Does he deserve a long ban? Hell yes.

But this has been happening to players in the league since the league's inception. We're 47 years into the league and NOW we're showing outrage and blackballing one guy for this? Kind of sad, really. Reminiscent of the steroid issue in baseball. League, teams, managers, players, writers, broadcasters turned a blind eye for years, then reports surfaced via books and boom, players blackballed.

In this case, video comes out of an incident, and finally something happens in this league. If this is so despicable, how is Brandon Marshall still in this league? Where is the public outcry for his banning? It's OK because it happened four years ago now?

I think he should be banned, over a year even, but not blackballed. That's shortsighted overreaction, not good policy or sound logic.

I get that the league can only move forward, can't retroact bans, but I just think a more tempered approach, say, like, following a policy you adopted two weeks ago, might be more sound and logical.

There will always be a poster child for when a rule goes into effect. Ray Rice happens to be the guy this time around. What guys like Phillips, Brandon Marshall, etc did years ago doesnt apply to what is in place now. Is it sad it took this long? Absolutely. But that doesnt mean that the league should continue ignoring the problem just because it wasnt in force years back. As i stated a few pages back, simply reading about something and seeing the actual event (via video) is different on so many levels. Could Rice go on the rest of his life and never hit a woman again? Maybe. But just goes to show you have to always be accountable for what you do, especially if you are someone who is in the spotlight. Ray Rice might be a pariah now but i dont feel any sympathy for him whatsoever.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Part of what bothers me is that everyone knew he had nocked her out. It was obvious. The video didn't show a different story then the one we already understood. She hit him on the way into the elevator. Then, in the elevator she advanced towards him and started swinging, which is when he nocked her out.

I am not advocating what he did, but I am saying this is a sad reflection of how reactionary our society is. I'd really like the majority of people who are now suddenly outraged to explain how this changed the perception of what they already understood.

I don't think it's fair to suddenly black list the guy from the league based on one incident. I have never liked him, but I hope he gets a second chance.

[Ravage!!!]

Sorry. she didn't "Hit him" on the way to the elevator. A slap to the arm, that to me indicated that the elevator on her side just opened and she was slapping his arm to tell him. HEll, I don't care if she was slapping his arm in disgust...that was NOTHING! That was in NO WAY a threat, since she did it while walking AWAY.

Video is ALWAYS much more desturbing. What happens behind closed doors leaves the imagination to tell you the story. How did it happen? Did he haul off and hit her? Was she just overly drunk and it wasn't much? Was it a weird thing that happened? Was it in the middle of her losing her shit and things got out of hand?

NO ONE KNEW..and because of that, you tend to let your mind wander (generally speaking) to a place that is 'lesser' than reality. But when you see him just pop her with a left cross and leave her cold on the floor, ignoring her..... it wasn't an accident. She wasn't losing her shit. It wasn't anything weird. ALLL the questions are answered, NOTHING is left to the imagination, and THAT will always... ALWAYS...garner a much more emotional response.

Unless there is an owner out there that is willing to tell his fan base .. "yeah, we saw the video but think his talent is worth the appearance of advacacy of violance towards woman".... that guy isn't getting another Job in the NFL. No way.

[CoachChaz]

Part of what bothers me is that everyone knew he had nocked her out. It was obvious. The video didn't show a different story then the one we already understood. She hit him on the way into the elevator. Then, in the elevator she advanced towards him and started swinging, which is when he nocked her out.

I am not advocating what he did, but I am saying this is a sad reflection of how reactionary our society is. I'd really like the majority of people who are now suddenly outraged to explain how this changed the perception of what they already understood.

I don't think it's fair to suddenly black list the guy from the league based on one incident. I have never liked him, but I hope he gets a second chance.

Perfectly summed up

[Northman]

Part of what bothers me is that everyone knew he had nocked her out. It was obvious. The video didn't show a different story then the one we already understood. She hit him on the way into the elevator. Then, in the elevator she advanced towards him and started swinging, which is when he nocked her out.

I am not advocating what he did, but I am saying this is a sad reflection of how reactionary our society is. I'd really like the majority of people who are now suddenly outraged to explain how this changed the perception of what they already understood.

I don't think it's fair to suddenly black list the guy from the league based on one incident. I have never liked him, but I hope he gets a second chance.


Its a pretty serious incident. I just cant get on board with you there. Im happy as a clam that he is out of the league and any player going forward needs to be thrown out as well. I personally have a zero tolerance for domestic violence so that is just my personal stance on that. I think the reaction has more to do with the fact that he was never punished correctly in the first place. People were already extremely pissed off about the 2 games, when the video got released it just angered people even more so thus, the reaction.

[G_Money]

The NFL is about 40 years late with this, but better late than never I guess. I feel a little for Ray that his career has been sacrificed over this and it's the only thing anybody will remember about him (like kermit washington breaking Rudy T' s face)... but nobody forced Ray to bludgeon his wife unconscious either.

The NFL has a serious problem with abusers. I would like to eventually see a policy that requires mandatory, career long counseling after the first offense in the pros, and a mandatory year of counseling for anyone with any incidents prior to their pro careers. Most of these young men have had horrible life examples and zero skills for self correction. If you want those who have crossed the line to be BETTER and not just do a better job of covering up, then HELP them do better. When did Brandon Marshall do better? When he got correctly diagnosed by a therapist and given the tools via counseling to improve himself.

I remember Clarence Kay beating his wife on more than one occasion, and the team shaking its collective heads and then just putting him back on the field. His Wikipedia entry: between 1984 and 2006 Kay was arrested at least 12 times.

It's been a problem for a long, long time. Maybe the league needs to start taking Draft picks or cap money from teams with violent offenders. Perhaps then the teams will be less inclined to keep or enable those people, regardless of their on field talent. If Rice has to be the guy who gets the ball rolling, then so be it.

He can spend the rest of his life at speaking engagements and bullying clinics and working with non profit shelters and the like. Football only lasts and short time. Who you are is forever, and he can have far more impact off the field. If he's as good a guy as everyone was spouting that he was, then he can come back from this and make a difference. I wish him luck in that, I really do. But I don't care about his lost career in this case. It had to be someone, some time. Better we don't wait any longer.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Its a pretty serious incident. I just cant get on board with you there. Im happy as a clam that he is out of the league and any player going forward needs to be thrown out as well. I personally have a zero tolerance for domestic violence so that is just my personal stance on that. I think the reaction has more to do with the fact that he was never punished correctly in the first place. People were already extremely pissed off about the 2 games, when the video got released it just angered people even more so thus, the reaction.

I get what you're saying, and I respect your opinion. I just have a different one. I am not expressing tolerance for domestic violence. Are you saying Brandon Marshall should be out of the league as well?

I think there's a big difference between someone who has tendency to hit women, and someone who did it one time. If Ray Rice made one bad choice, he should get another chance, just like the league states. If he does it again, then it's a lifetime ban.

[Dzone]

Ok, so down the road, Ray will probably get reinstated. Since its his first time, doubt they can enforce a lifetime ban, according to the new rule. The question is, will any team want to take on this circus? Will Ray Rice ever play in the NFL again?

[BroncoWave]

Sorry. she didn't "Hit him" on the way to the elevator. A slap to the arm, that to me indicated that the elevator on her side just opened and she was slapping his arm to tell him. HEll, I don't care if she was slapping his arm in disgust...that was NOTHING! That was in NO WAY a threat, since she did it while walking AWAY.

Video is ALWAYS much more desturbing. What happens behind closed doors leaves the imagination to tell you the story. How did it happen? Did he haul off and hit her? Was she just overly drunk and it wasn't much? Was it a weird thing that happened? Was it in the middle of her losing her shit and things got out of hand?

NO ONE KNEW..and because of that, you tend to let your mind wander (generally speaking) to a place that is 'lesser' than reality. But when you see him just pop her with a left cross and leave her cold on the floor, ignoring her..... it wasn't an accident. She wasn't losing her shit. It wasn't anything weird. ALLL the questions are answered, NOTHING is left to the imagination, and THAT will always... ALWAYS...garner a much more emotional response.

Unless there is an owner out there that is willing to tell his fan base .. "yeah, we saw the video but think his talent is worth the appearance of advacacy of violance towards woman".... that guy isn't getting another Job in the NFL. No way.

Your summed this up perfectly rav. This is the exact reason ray rice is out of the league and guys like marshall aren't. When you don't see the tape, you can't fully prove that it was an unprovoked attack. This is the first case with video evidence and thus why it's such a firestorm now compared to before. I don't see how people don't get this.

[Northman]

I get what you're saying, and I respect your opinion. I just have a different one. I am not expressing tolerance for domestic violence. Are you saying Brandon Marshall should be out of the league as well?

If Brandon has another episode of abuse than yea. At this stage the rules were not in effect when Brandon was doing his thing. I think right now McDonald will be the first to test the waters of how Goodell's new policy will be applied. I think the reason why Ray's was so severe is because he lied about how it went down. The video was the damning evidence otherwise he would still be only serving the 2 game suspension. But i think McDonald will be the first to lose either 6-8 games.


I think there's a big difference between someone who has tendency to hit women, and someone who did it one time. If Ray Rice made one bad choice, he should get another chance, just like the league states. If he does it again, then it's a lifetime ban.

I guess that is just where we have to disagree. One time is too many in my book. I dont slapping around a woman or knocking them unconscious is a slight mishap or mistake. It should never happen in my opinion but if the league is going to go with a few games suspension and then banishment for the 2nd offense than that is how its going to be i guess. There are just certain crimes that i will not budge on because of my personal belief. Ray may never hit a woman again and that will be great for him but he should not be able to play football again as i think his punishment fits the crime.

[weazel]

as I said earlier... the NFL can't ban him. The NFLPA will back their player, THEY HAVE TO. He will get the 6 games that is stated in the rules and someone will sign him after that. They can't ban him, he and/or the NFLPA will sue the NFL. Even if they die ban him and the NFLPA does nothing, that would set a terrible precedent, that they could never live up to... They aren't banning all of them.

[Northman]

Ok, so down the road, Ray will probably get reinstated. Since its his first time, doubt they can enforce a lifetime ban, according to the new rule. The question is, will any team want to take on this circus? Will Ray Rice ever play in the NFL again?

If he gets resinstated im sure there will be teams willing to take him on. But there will be some backlash on it.

[weazel]

If he gets resinstated im sure there will be teams willing to take him on. But there will be some backlash on it.

nah... they will just get him some "therapy", show everyone he is a changed man and that will be that. He may not be playing this season but he will definitely be playing next.

[BroncoWave]

If he gets resinstated im sure there will be teams willing to take him on. But there will be some backlash on it.

nah... they will just get him some "therapy", show everyone he is a changed man and that will be that. He may not be playing this season but he will definitely be playing next.

There is no way a team signs him next season imo. Could not disagree with you more on that one.

People forget, he was terrible last year. It's not like there is any guarantee he is still a good player.

[G_Money]

I think the reason why Ray's was so severe is because he lied about how it went down. The video was the damning evidence otherwise he would still be only serving the 2 game suspension. But i think McDonald will be the first to lose either 6-8 games.

The Ravens said that Rice described to them basically exactly what they saw on the video, but seeing it on video was simply more shocking than any description could be. Harder to make excuses for a guy when you can see with your own two eyes that what he did was indefensible.

I don't think Ray lied. I think teams are used to this happening with a couple of guys a year, and used to making excuses for them so that they can get the player back on the field ASAP. If this helps put an end to that pathetic charade, then good.

[weazel]

There is no way a team signs him next season imo. Could not disagree with you more on that one.

People forget, he was terrible last year. It's not like there is any guarantee he is still a good player.

You dont think teams take a shot on a guy with those numbers at a greatly reduced price? He's going to go cheap... and he will get signed

[Northman]

The Ravens said that Rice described to them basically exactly what they saw on the video, but seeing it on video was simply more shocking than any description could be. Harder to make excuses for a guy when you can see with your own two eyes that what he did was indefensible.

I don't think Ray lied. I think teams are used to this happening with a couple of guys a year, and used to making excuses for them so that they can get the player back on the field ASAP. If this helps put an end to that pathetic charade, then good.

Thats not what ive been hearing here in Baltimore. According to the Ravens (im going by what the guys on the talk shows are reporting) Ray said he only pushed his fiance and then she hit her head on the railing. Now, its possible that Ray told them exactly what happened and the Ravens themselves are lying but i guess thats up to whoever wants to believe whoever. But all ive been hearing here is that Ray AND Janay described the events of that night much differently than what the video showed. Take that for what its worth.

[Northman]

You dont think teams take a shot on a guy with those numbers at a greatly reduced price? He's going to go cheap... and he will get signed

I think someone will take a chance on him if he remains in the league. Organizations are pretty forgiving and lets face it, the general public quickly move on to the other hot story. Vick got a lot of backlash when he came back but since then its been much ado about nothing. I can see Ray coming back and a team signing him.

[BroncoJoe]

IMO, there's no f'ing way he told them exactly what happened. All I ever heard before the video was he shoved her as she was confronting him, and she fell and hit her head knocking her unconscious.

My points earlier in this thread are why are we holding the NFL accountable? Yes, the punishment and addressing of Domestic Abuse is long overdue, but the NFL didn't hit the woman. Ray Rice did.

[Hawgdriver]

This video would never be put in front of a jury. It's the perfect example of why Rule 403 exists within the Federal Rules of Evidence. Sometimes evidence that is exceedingly relevant (like a videotape of the event) cannot be used because it will incite an emotional response that outweighs the value the evidence has for showing the truth.


Unfair prejudice refers not to an adverse or detrimental effect of evidence but to an undue tendency to suggest a decision on an improper basis, commonly an emotional one. Unfair prejudice does not arise from the mere fact that evidence injures a party's case. Evidence is unfairly prejudicial only when it tends to have some adverse effect upon a defendant beyond tending to prove the fact or issue that justifies its admission into evidence. The prejudicial effect may be created by the tendency of the evidence to prove some adverse fact not properly in issue or unfairly to excite emotions against the defendant.