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crazbarker
08-28-2014, 08:37 PM
IVE BEEN A BRONCOS FAN SINCE THE BEGINNING. First off we had two o line Allstate go out in the preseason. Even thou the fill ins did a great job, it still weighs us down as to being 100% ready. What really Tore us in the sb game was our time of possession. Our d was tired and as a truly Seattle d was fresh practically every play. Also we need to utilize our big recievers more. Like Thomas and tavarius could maybe take a couple of snaps lined up in backfield. To be frank we should and need to be a Little less predictable. Manning is a magician when it comes to reading D's but eventually some team is going to find a solution. Also the cold weather In NY didn't sway as a positive for Manning who haw a well below 500 mark when playingin the Cold

CrazyHorse
08-28-2014, 09:26 PM
Who's Tavarius?

Shazam!
08-28-2014, 10:03 PM
Is the beginning like, 2012?

Joel
08-28-2014, 10:16 PM
Who's Tavarius?
Presumably Tavarius Thomas, and Dermaris Jackson is backing up Wilson. :tongue:

tripp
08-28-2014, 10:34 PM
By the beard of Zeus..

BroncoWave
08-28-2014, 10:50 PM
wat

CrazyHorse
08-28-2014, 10:54 PM
wat

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/173/576/Wat8.jpg

tubby
08-28-2014, 11:39 PM
Hell yeah

MOtorboat
08-29-2014, 12:06 AM
Absolutely.

crazbarker
08-29-2014, 12:35 AM
Demaryius and Julius thomas

crazbarker
08-29-2014, 12:48 AM
Also the beginning. I meant the era of the three amigos, atwater, Bobby humphries, Karl mecklnburg(sp). What I'm saying is the first half of the season was smooth and effortless for the broncos. And their. Numbers stood tall throughout the season however they begin having more drives frequently stop. A great example would be the game against ne last year. We were up 24 to 3. Just as depressing as the Superbowl if not more, Manning not only couldn't put a drive together, we couldn't. Even get a first down. Granted the wind issue but still......even though the records we set offensively were unbelievable, more action and contribution in the backfield will balance our o and strengthen our pass

Northman
08-29-2014, 04:55 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ni2k9qOIcLA

spikerman
08-29-2014, 05:53 AM
Also the beginning. I meant the era of the three amigos, atwater, Bobby humphries, Karl mecklnburg(sp). What I'm saying is the first half of the season was smooth and effortless for the broncos. And their. Numbers stood tall throughout the season however they begin having more drives frequently stop. A great example would be the game against ne last year. We were up 24 to 3. Just as depressing as the Superbowl if not more, Manning not only couldn't put a drive together, we couldn't. Even get a first down. Granted the wind issue but still......even though the records we set offensively were unbelievable, more action and contribution in the backfield will balance our o and strengthen our pass

Ummm.. not to pick nits, but the Three Amigos were about 25 years after "the beginning."

Joel
08-29-2014, 04:55 PM
Also the beginning. I meant the era of the three amigos, atwater, Bobby humphries, Karl mecklnburg(sp). What I'm saying is the first half of the season was smooth and effortless for the broncos. And their. Numbers stood tall throughout the season however they begin having more drives frequently stop. A great example would be the game against ne last year. We were up 24 to 3. Just as depressing as the Superbowl if not more, Manning not only couldn't put a drive together, we couldn't. Even get a first down. Granted the wind issue but still......even though the records we set offensively were unbelievable, more action and contribution in the backfield will balance our o and strengthen our pass
As Spikerman says, that's only "from the beginning" if you're <35, and even then only from YOUR beginning, not Denvers (it wasn't even the first SB.) Not that your responsible for anything prenatal, but the guys who suffered through that inaugural last place finish have Fan Credentials the rest of us can never attain.

As for the rest, well, NFL Championships are about peaking at the end; very few teams that roared out of the gate looking unstoppable in September won SBs, so when we looked that way at the start of last year my first thought was "no way we can keep this up all season; no one ever has." Seattle stumbled early, but they got their sloppy games and injuries out of the way before the playoffs started, and by the end of the season it was the story of a surging NFC #1 and sagging AFC #1, so perhaps the SB wasn't that shocking.

The NE game was probably Mannings worst in Denver (we were actually up 24-0 at the half, but that was pretty much entirely because of the D, Moreno and Tamme.) Moreno played his guts out against a Swiss cheese Pats D and nearly won the game singlehandedly, but once he got hurt we had nothing but rookies and/or fumblers to take his spot, and Mannings ONE good drive all game was enough to tie, but not to win.

Once Welker fumbled at the end of OT, it was over, all the more heartbreaking because we probably could've run out the clock to at least avoid the loss. We needed a #2 RB worthy of the name, and our lack of a reliable running game has been our Achilles heel since Manning arrival; it's why the Ravens got the ball back for tying Hail Mary to force OT and preserve their SB season two years ago, and why Seattle keyed on Manning all game to win theirs last year.

Hopefully our running and blocking are better this year, but I didn't care about records when we were setting them and still don't. How we start's irrelevant; only the finish matters.

crazbarker
08-29-2014, 05:38 PM
I couldn't agree with you more. And actually we can looknback at the 18-1 patriots a few years ago. Everyone including myself thought that towards week 13 or 14 that they had to come across a bad game and that there would no possible way they would pull off a dolphin 72. They fortunately (being a bronco)picked the thewrong to have that bad game. Elway experienced that also in 97. We went 12-0 till we went to the meadowlands a played a pretty pathetic giant team who had an below average quarterback with Graham.

Joel
08-29-2014, 06:21 PM
I couldn't agree with you more. And actually we can looknback at the 18-1 patriots a few years ago. Everyone including myself thought that towards week 13 or 14 that they had to come across a bad game and that there would no possible way they would pull off a dolphin 72. They fortunately (being a bronco)picked the thewrong to have that bad game. Elway experienced that also in 97. We went 12-0 till we went to the meadowlands a played a pretty pathetic giant team who had an below average quarterback with Graham.
I remember that; I was working retail at a mall at the time, so everyone HAD to work at least ONE weekend day, but I was the main non-manager there, so had enough leverage to say I wouldn't work Sunday and make it stick, which meant I got to see every game—until the Giants, when I saw they'd scheduled me, and was pissed, but then I saw who we were playing and was like "Meh; they've only won 4 games all year; I think we can handle them." Guess I wasn't the only one who skipped that game. :(

We were actually 13-0 going into that game, but lost two back-to-back to finish 14-2; fortunately we got our bad ones out of the way during the season and cruised through the playoffs. The bad news was Terrell Davis had a really bad game against Miami the week after, and that was the year Barry Sanders ran for 52 in his first two games but 2000 in his last 14, so Davis finished with 2008 yds but SECOND in total rushing.

Weird to think of a HoF RB having a 2000 yd season but not winning the rushing title, but his SB Ring was a nice consolation prize; I'm sure Barry would trade.

Shazam!
08-29-2014, 06:56 PM
I was at that NYG game and my and my then-gf almost got killed on the way out.

Joel
08-29-2014, 07:09 PM
I was at that NYG game and my and my then-gf almost got killed on the way out.
Dunno why; NY won, and it was one of the few games they DID win that year.

Simple Jaded
08-29-2014, 09:51 PM
TD led the league in rushing the year he had 2008 rushing yards, Sanders wasn't even 2nd that year.

Joel
08-29-2014, 10:40 PM
TD led the league in rushing the year he had 2008 rushing yards, Sanders wasn't even 2nd that year.
Huh, right you are: Barrys 2053 season was the year before that. Weird; I could've sworn it was the same season. It's an underappreciated accomplishment: Sanders and OJ are STILL the only RBs to get 2000 in just 14 games; even Dickerson needed >100 his first 2 and a 215 in Week 15 to reach 2105.

crazbarker
08-30-2014, 12:26 AM
I agree....however, when it comes to determining the most valuable player for their team. Terrell is easily in his own category. His presence on the field alone opened up elways options tremendously. Elway never in his career had it that easy. Don't get me wrong. Elways versatile in/out pocket passing along with the run threat revolutionized the position......but you could only imagine what the final results to the giants skins and 49er Superbowls would of been if terell. Was in the backfield. Back to the premise. I would definitely picked a healthy Davis over Sanders and Dickerson(with bias included)

Shazam!
08-30-2014, 07:01 AM
Because it was their SB, we were supposed to go undefeated. We were surrounded by 65,000+ drunk and near rioting NYG fans who got dirty looks on our way in. We almost got killed, my gf was attacked.

crazbarker
08-30-2014, 01:16 PM
Guts crazy! I believe at that time meadowlands was one of the three stadiums that had an inside jail. Forgot the year but do you remember the big snowball fight between fans and players. Believe it was the giants and Pitt or Philly.

Valar Morghulis
08-31-2014, 04:24 AM
Huh, right you are: Barrys 2053 season was the year before that. Weird; I could've sworn it was the same season. It's an underappreciated accomplishment: Sanders and OJ are STILL the only RBs to get 2000 in just 14 games; even Dickerson needed >100 his first 2 and a 215 in Week 15 to reach 2105.

TD - never played in the majority of 4th quarters that season - had he done so, that feat might have been within his reach

Joel
08-31-2014, 07:20 AM
Because it was their SB, we were supposed to go undefeated. We were surrounded by 65,000+ drunk and near rioting NYG fans who got dirty looks on our way in. We almost got killed, my gf was attacked.
Gotcha; that sucks, man, sorry it was so rough for ya'll.


TD - never played in the majority of 4th quarters that season - had he done so, that feat might have been within his reach
True, but it meant we had him for the SB, and given why his career was prematurely shortened, I'm good with that. Records are literally made to be broken, and eventually always are; people thought Marinos 48 TD season would last forever until Manning beat him by one a generation later. Championships are eternal; if GB had never won again after the first two (which looked very plausible through the '70s, '80s and early '90s) the Lombardi Trophy would've still remained just that. Would Manning trade last years records for Wilsons Ring?

Valar Morghulis
08-31-2014, 07:58 AM
Gotcha; that sucks, man, sorry it was so rough for ya'll.

True, but it meant we had him for the SB, and given why his career was prematurely shortened, I'm good with that. Records are literally made to be broken, and eventually always are; people thought Marinos 48 TD season would last forever until Manning beat him by one a generation later. Championships are eternal; if GB had never won again after the first two (which looked very plausible through the '70s, '80s and early '90s) the Lombardi Trophy would've still remained just that. Would Manning trade last years records for Wilsons Ring?

Joel mate, you misunderstood my point. I am with you on all of that.

I was just highlighting that TD could have reached 2k quicker than he did. Therefore should be in the same conversation as Simpson, Sanders and Dickerson

Joel
08-31-2014, 09:07 AM
Joel mate, you misunderstood my point. I am with you on all of that.

I was just highlighting that TD could have reached 2k quicker than he did. Therefore should be in the same conversation as Simpson, Sanders and Dickerson
Well, IMHO, he's in a class by himself because he did something the other rarely had the chance to do: Produce MORE the closer he got to the SB. Any NFL back can rack up tons of yards with lots of runs against scrubs (Dickerson's Exhibit A for that argument; his average was good but not great most years, yet having just under 400 attempts his first two years got him 1800 yds and then the record playing the Falcons and Saints twice/season.)

There are no scrub playoff teams though, and the opposition just gets tougher the deeper a team goes: Terrell Davis played UP to his competition. Less so in '98, but Riggins is famous for upping his game in the playoffs that even though he also did it "only" one year: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RiggJo00/gamelog//

He did set the record for most season TDs the year Washington LOST the SB, but Emmitt broke it in a SB-winning season just over a decade later, and Riggins' '83 season is currently 5th all-time. I'm sure he'd trade that ex-record for the SB they lost to Oakland that year, and just as sure that when Shaun Alexander took the record from Smith in '05 but lost the SB to Pitt, Emmitt took conslation from losing the record but keeping the Ring he won setting it. Records, schmecords. ;)

Anyway, point is Davis just kept getting better as he neared the SB, understandably rare given the quality of teams that reach Conference Championships and SBs:

Rk
Year
G#
Date
Age
Tm


Opp
Result
Att
Yds
Y/A
TD
Rec
Tgt
Yds
Y/R
TD
TD
2PM
Pts


1
1996
17
1997-01-04 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199701040den.htm)
24-068
DEN (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/den/1996.htm)

JAX (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/jax/1996.htm)
L 27-30
14
91
6.50
1
7
0
24
3.43
0
1
1
8




Rushing




Receiving


Scoring


Rk
Year
G#
Date
Age
Tm


Opp
Result
Att
Yds
Y/A
TD
Rec
Tgt
Yds
Y/R
TD
TD
2PM
Pts


2
1997
17
1997-12-27 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199712270den.htm)
25-060
DEN (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/den/1997.htm)

JAX (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/jax/1997.htm)
W 42-17
31
184
5.94
2
4
0
11
2.75
0
2

12


3
1997
18
1998-01-04 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199801040kan.htm)
25-068
DEN (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/den/1997.htm)
@
KAN (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/kan/1997.htm)
W 14-10
25
101
4.04
2
1
0
17
17.00
0
2

12


4
1997
19
1998-01-11 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199801110pit.htm)
25-075
DEN (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/den/1997.htm)
@
PIT (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/pit/1997.htm)
W 24-21
26
139
5.35
1
1
0
2
2.00
0
1

6


5
1997
20
1998-01-25 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199801250den.htm)
25-089
DEN (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/den/1997.htm)
N
GNB (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/1997.htm)
W 31-24
30
157
5.23
3
2
3
8
4.00
0
3

18



Rushing




Receiving


Scoring


Rk
Year
G#
Date
Age
Tm


Opp
Result
Att
Yds
Y/A
TD
Rec
Tgt
Yds
Y/R
TD
TD
2PM
Pts


6
1998
17
1999-01-09 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199901090den.htm)
26-073
DEN (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/den/1998.htm)

MIA (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/mia/1998.htm)
W 38-3
21
199
9.48
2
1
2
7
7.00
0
2

12


7
1998
18
1999-01-17 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199901170den.htm)
26-081
DEN (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/den/1998.htm)

NYJ (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nyj/1998.htm)
W 23-10
32
167
5.22
1
1
2
12
12.00
0
1

6


8
1998
19
1999-01-31 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199901310atl.htm)
26-095
DEN (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/den/1998.htm)
N
ATL (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/atl/1998.htm)
W 34-19
25
102
4.08
0
2
3
50
25.00
0
0

0



He declined rather than rose in the repeat (though not as badly as Riggins, who only broke 4 yds/att in the divisional, and Davis' 199 yds, 9.5 average and 2 TDs in the '98 divisional would've been hard to improve anyway.) In the rest though, he averaged a whopping 6.5 yds on 19 attempts even in the '96 loss to the Jags, and that '97 playoff run is one for the ages. His stats slipped a little on the road against KC in the divisional, but he still had >100 yds and >4/att, and it was lights out after that.

Seriously, who RAISES their average by a full yard to 5.35 on the road against the mid-nineties Steelers? That's the same team that only allowed Emmitt and the stellar Dallas offensive line 48 yds in 19 atts at a NEUTRAL SB site. Dallas did better hosting the '95 NFCCG vs. GB (35 for 150 and 3 TDs,) but still not as good as Davis vs. GB in '97 at a neutral site (MORE yards in LESS carries for a Super Bowl record 3 TDs.) His average slipped slightly, but a literally blinding migraine and more yards and TDs more than make up for that.

How is this guy not in Canton? He's got as many seasons as Sayers, as many 2000 yd seasons as Simpson, Dickerson and Sanders and more championships than any of them. It only took Riggins three tries to make it, and Davis has as many champships and records. We should be asking whether they belong in the conversation with him, not the reverse.

Shazam!
08-31-2014, 09:16 AM
Joel, normally I cannot stomach the stories you write here and I don't have the time to read them.

In this case it's simple. TD for all his greatness didn't have the length of a career like other Backs. That's the only thing that holds him back is longevity.

I also believe they hold it against him that he played behind the best OLine of the decade, second maybe only to Dallas.

Joel
08-31-2014, 11:56 AM
Joel, normally I cannot stomach the stories you write here and I don't have the time to read them.

In this case it's simple. TD for all his greatness didn't have the length of a career like other Backs. That's the only thing that holds him back is longevity.

I also believe they hold it against him that he played behind the best OLine of the decade, second maybe only to Dallas.
He played as long as Sayers, and did more. He did more in those 7 years than just about anyone, including everyone who played much longer.

Shazam!
08-31-2014, 03:12 PM
Not as long as his contemporaries, Emmitt, Martin, or Sanders for example.

Joel
08-31-2014, 05:09 PM
Not as long as his contemporaries, Emmitt, Martin, or Sanders for example.
All but one of whom accomplished less in longer careers. Martin was good, but never great; if he hadn't spent his career in a pair of media meccas, there's no way he'd be in the Hall.

Davis is more comparable to Sayers, or Earl Campbell: Campbell only played a year longer than Davis, and injuries (plus Bud Adams' insanity) did the same thing to his career as to Davis'—but each equally DOMINATED the NFL his first four years; the only difference is one had his subpar (for him) year the first and the other the fourth year of their prime. No one doubts Earl Campbell belongs in the HoF, so why is one more year (and 2 less SBs) the difference between a first ballot HoFer and someone just honored to be a semifinalist every year he's been eligible?

That's from someone literally raised on Earl Campbell and Tony Dorsett: They both belong in the Hall, and so does Terrell Davis.