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OB
08-28-2014, 02:00 PM
Maybe the wrong place for this but it can be moved if it is (sorry)


http://espn.go.com/espnw/news-commentary/article/11425377/nfl-implements-domestic-violence-penalties



The NFL is immediately implementing a sweeping domestic violence initiative that calls for a six-game suspension for a first offense and a lifetime ban from the league for a second offense.



Goodell indicated 'he didnt get it right with Ray Rice. We have to do better"

BroncoNut
08-28-2014, 02:02 PM
is it considered domestic violence if it happens outside of the home? actually without even having opened this up, I'm sure this stems from the Ray Rice incident which is pretty atrocious if I am remembering it correctly. violence against women has always been an issue and I guess this is the only way it can be remedied, so I guess I don't really know what else to say.

Denver Native (Carol)
08-28-2014, 02:03 PM
The NFL is immediately implementing a sweeping domestic violence initiative that calls for a six-game suspension for a first offense and a lifetime ban from the league for a second offense.

The measures, announced in a letter from NFL commissioner Roger Goodell to all team owners, a copy of which was obtained by ESPN, are due in part to widespread criticism Goodell received for his handling of discipline for Baltimore Ravens running back Ray Rice. The two-game suspension for Rice left many with the impression that the NFL did not understand domestic violence or take it seriously as a crime. Goodell acknowledged as much in the letter.

"At times, however, and despite our best efforts, we fall short of our goals," Goodell wrote. "We clearly did so in response to a recent incident of domestic violence. ... My disciplinary decision led the public to question our sincerity, our commitment, and whether we understood the toll that domestic violence inflicts on so many families. I take responsibility both for the decision and for ensuring that our actions in the future properly reflect our values.

"I didn't get it right."

rest - http://espn.go.com/espnw/news-commentary/article/11425377/nfl-implements-domestic-violence-penalties

OB
08-28-2014, 02:05 PM
Carol - you are so much better at this than I am - next time I will leave it in your very capable hands (in my defense I am trying to cut and paste and minimize windows as people walk by my desk so they dont see whatim doing LOL)

BroncoNut
08-28-2014, 02:09 PM
I think you did a fine job ob,

Dreadnought
08-28-2014, 02:11 PM
Good.

Northman
08-28-2014, 02:14 PM
Good. About time they took it more seriously. Dread got his wish, weed out some of the scum.

Northman
08-28-2014, 02:14 PM
Good.

As predicted. lol

BroncoNut
08-28-2014, 02:17 PM
Good. About time they took it more seriously. Dread got his wish, weed out some of the scum.

yeah, it will be interesting to see in a few years how dread feels about a league full of Tebows

Denver Native (Carol)
08-28-2014, 02:26 PM
Carol - you are so much better at this than I am - next time I will leave it in your very capable hands (in my defense I am trying to cut and paste and minimize windows as people walk by my desk so they dont see whatim doing LOL)

Hey OB - we make a GREAT team - you start it, and I will finish it.

Northman
08-28-2014, 02:27 PM
yeah, it will be interesting to see in a few years how dread feels about a league full of Tebows

Nah, there are plenty of guys who dont smack their women around. Im totally for this, no better way to discourage abuse than to make the penalties harsh.

G_Money
08-28-2014, 02:27 PM
Since arrests for domestic violence in the NFL happen 5 times more often than drug arrests (thanks for that stat, Grantland), I can't help but wonder whether by " offense" they really mean "conviction." If that's the case, Ray Rice wouldn't be suspended at all under the new policy... and domestic violence convictions are hard to come by since there's often only one witness, and she usually won't press charges or testify, and wives CAN'T be compelled to testify against their husbands it all becomes a big mess that isn't worth the prosecutors time.

We'll see. If it's for arrests, or police visits to the domicile, then the NFL better expand rosters by a few spots. They'll need em.

Which is why I'm hoping for that. A Dude who drags his girlfriend down a flight of stairs by her hair and slams her face into a mailbox (Nebraska running backs...) doesn't really need to be coddled by his employer. I can live without that, no matter the talent.

Northman
08-28-2014, 02:27 PM
Hey OB - we make a GREAT team - you start it, and I will finish it.

Thunder & Lightning?

Northman
08-28-2014, 02:31 PM
Since arrests for domestic violence in the NFL happen 5 times more often than drug arrests (thanks for that stat, Grantland), I can't help but wonder whether by " offense" they really mean "conviction." If that's the case, Ray Rice wouldn't be suspended at all under the new policy... and domestic violence convictions are hard to come by since there's often only one witness, and she usually won't press charges or testify, and wives CAN'T be compelled to testify against their husbands it all becomes a big mess that isn't worth the prosecutors time.

We'll see. If it's for arrests, or police visits to the domicile, then the NFL better expand rosters by a few spots. They'll need em.

Which is why I'm hoping for that. A Dude who drags his girlfriend down a flight of stairs by her hair and slams her face into a mailbox (Nebraska running backs...) doesn't really need to be coddled by his employer. I can live without that, no matter the talent.

I dont think convictions will matter. I think the NFL, police, general public know the score on the victim mentality (see Ray's wife) and understand that it just wont be tolerated in general. Im sure they will use whatever reports the authorities have investigated but its clear they no longer want to endorse or have players representing the NFL that behave in this manner. If there is such an influx as you stated with domestic abuse than all i can say is next man up, step on up Juwan Thompson. There are plenty of players out there who will fill in.

BroncoNut
08-28-2014, 02:32 PM
Nah, there are plenty of guys who dont smack their women around. Im totally for this, no better way to discourage abuse than to make the penalties harsh.

sure, there are plenty of dudes that don't smack their wives around, they are called NFL FANS

Valar Morghulis
08-28-2014, 02:33 PM
We need to stop calling it Domestic Violence - it does not need to physical violence, the anticipatory fear response is just as debilitating as a punch to the stomach. All forms of abuse including financial or psychological are wrong.

In the UK Domestic Abuse is any form of behaviour that negatively impacts on a significant other - it can be in the home, in a park, in a casino. We have also just brought in more serious stalking and harassment laws.

I really hate the fact that some people feel that they have the right to exert their power over another person in order to control them. These are a group of people i would like to see castrated (twice). I am glad to see the NFL cracking down.

OB
08-28-2014, 02:35 PM
I think you did a fine job ob,

Thanks nut :hug:

Denver Native (Carol)
08-28-2014, 02:35 PM
NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell on Thursday apologized for his decision in the Ray Rice domestic abuse case in a letter to NFL owners and announced sweeping changes to the league's Personal Conduct Policy.

In the detailed letter, Goodell announced that violations of the Personal Conduct Policy regarding assault, battery, domestic violence or sexual assault that involve physical force "will be subject to a suspension without pay of six games for a first offense." A second offense will result in banishment from the NFL for at least one year. An individual can petition for reinstatement after one year, but "there will be no presumption or assurance that the petition will be granted."

The policy applies to all personnel, not just players.

rest - http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000384861/article/roger-goodell-apologizes-for-decision-in-ray-rice-case

blamkin86
08-28-2014, 02:36 PM
Really happy about this. Thanks for posting.

BroncoNut
08-28-2014, 02:39 PM
We need to stop calling it Domestic Violence - it does not need to physical violence, the anticipatory fear response is just as debilitating as a punch to the stomach. All forms of abuse including financial or psychological are wrong.

In the UK Domestic Abuse is any form of behaviour that negatively impacts on a significant other - it can be in the home, in a park, in a casino. We have also just brought in more serious stalking and harassment laws.

I really hate the fact that some people feel that they have the right to exert their power over another person in order to control them. These are a group of people i would like to see castrated (twice). I am glad to see the NFL cracking down.

people feeling they have a right to exert power over another? are you kidding me DaveA?

happens everywhere and all the time. everyone trying to control. I hate those types of people too, but the list of violators would be extensive. it' snot just man on woman either. . but I digress. I think it's good overall. not sure what Ray Rice got, but sounds like they patched things up :couch:.

BroncoNut
08-28-2014, 02:39 PM
Thanks nut :hug:

now go make me a sandwhich

Valar Morghulis
08-28-2014, 02:42 PM
people feeling they have a right to exert power over another? are you kidding me DaveA?

happens everywhere and all the time. everyone trying to control. I hate those types of people too, but the list of violators would be extensive. it' snot just man on woman either. . but I digress. I think it's good overall. not sure what Ray Rice got, but sounds like they patched things up :couch:.

PMSL - yeah i am sure Ray and is Mrs are great now!

MOtorboat
08-28-2014, 02:46 PM
Wow.

BroncoNut
08-28-2014, 02:46 PM
PMSL - yeah i am sure Ray and is Mrs are great now!

what is PMSL?

Northman
08-28-2014, 02:46 PM
PMSL - yeah i am sure Ray and is Mrs are great now!

Yea, you can be damn sure she wont talk back to him ever again. She gonna learn to be obedient. lol

BroncoNut
08-28-2014, 02:47 PM
Yea, you can be damn sure she wont talk back to him ever again. She gonna learn to be obedient. lol

well, I think it's more that she understood her part in it

Northman
08-28-2014, 02:49 PM
well, I think it's more that she understood her part in it

Yes, she learned never to talk back or she would get rocked to the moon.

BroncoNut
08-28-2014, 02:53 PM
Yes, she learned never to talk back or she would get rocked to the moon.

was that his fiancée?

Northman
08-28-2014, 02:55 PM
was that his fiancée?

She was when he hit her. They got married a few days later which was convenient as once she was his wife she couldnt be forced to testify against him.

OrangeHoof
08-28-2014, 02:58 PM
yeah, it will be interesting to see in a few years how dread feels about a league full of Tebows

Seriously doubt that happens. We're setting a pretty low bar if, to not be a scumbag, you need only not slap around your wife/gf. Plenty of room for scum left in the NFL without them all behaving like boy scouts.

I applaud Goodell's decision but, then again, the devil is in the details. What if, for example, Michael Sam gets into a domestic altercation (happens a lot among gays). Same suspension? What if wifey attacks with a knife and the player is just defending himself? Same suspension? What if the Ravens pays some chick to lie about getting beaten by Roethlisberger during the final month of the season just to get him suspended? All sorts of grey area going down this road.

Valar Morghulis
08-28-2014, 02:58 PM
what is PMSL?

pissing myself laughing

Denver Native (Carol)
08-28-2014, 03:00 PM
We need to stop calling it Domestic Violence - it does not need to physical violence, the anticipatory fear response is just as debilitating as a punch to the stomach. All forms of abuse including financial or psychological are wrong.

In the UK Domestic Abuse is any form of behaviour that negatively impacts on a significant other - it can be in the home, in a park, in a casino. We have also just brought in more serious stalking and harassment laws.

I really hate the fact that some people feel that they have the right to exert their power over another person in order to control them. These are a group of people i would like to see castrated (twice). I am glad to see the NFL cracking down.

It's the same here - http://www.justice.gov/ovw/domestic-violence

BroncoNut
08-28-2014, 03:02 PM
Seriously doubt that happens. We're setting a pretty low bar if, to not be a scumbag, you need only not slap around your wife/gf. Plenty of room for scum left in the NFL without them all behaving like boy scouts.

I applaud Goodell's decision but, then again, the devil is in the details. What if, for example, Michael Sam gets into a domestic altercation (happens a lot among gays). Same suspension? What if wifey attacks with a knife and the player is just defending himself? Same suspension? What if the Ravens pays some chick to lie about getting beaten by Roethlisberger during the final month of the season just to get him suspended? All sorts of grey area going down this road.
I was being sarcastic. I don't see that at all.

BroncoNut
08-28-2014, 03:03 PM
Seriously doubt that happens. We're setting a pretty low bar if, to not be a scumbag, you need only not slap around your wife/gf. Plenty of room for scum left in the NFL without them all behaving like boy scouts.

I applaud Goodell's decision but, then again, the devil is in the details. What if, for example, Michael Sam gets into a domestic altercation (happens a lot among gays). Same suspension? What if wifey attacks with a knife and the player is just defending himself? Same suspension? What if the Ravens pays some chick to lie about getting beaten by Roethlisberger during the final month of the season just to get him suspended? All sorts of grey area going down this road.
great point. it does!! and violent too. a fireman told me that once.

Valar Morghulis
08-28-2014, 03:04 PM
It's the same here - http://www.justice.gov/ovw/domestic-violence

Thats good to see - actually the Duluth Clinic in Minnesota is pretty much the world authority on Domestic Abuse, so it is not surprising. we probably copied you guys.

MNPatsFan
08-28-2014, 03:04 PM
Maybe the wrong place for this but it can be moved if it is (sorry)


http://espn.go.com/espnw/news-commentary/article/11425377/nfl-implements-domestic-violence-penalties




Goodell indicated 'he didnt get it right with Ray Rice. We have to do better"About freaking time. The Ray Rice punishment was a joke.

Northman
08-28-2014, 03:05 PM
Seriously doubt that happens. We're setting a pretty low bar if, to not be a scumbag, you need only not slap around your wife/gf. Plenty of room for scum left in the NFL without them all behaving like boy scouts.

I applaud Goodell's decision but, then again, the devil is in the details. What if, for example, Michael Sam gets into a domestic altercation (happens a lot among gays). Same suspension? What if wifey attacks with a knife and the player is just defending himself? Same suspension? What if the Ravens pays some chick to lie about getting beaten by Roethlisberger during the final month of the season just to get him suspended? All sorts of grey area going down this road.

Frankly those would be so incredibly rare i dont think it would effect this new rule much. Plus, the rule does state that a player can be reinstated and i would assume that if some added details about something came out that the player would be exonerated.

BroncoJoe
08-28-2014, 03:08 PM
They usually reserve judgement until after the police/courts have their say...

BroncoWave
08-28-2014, 04:03 PM
People like to crap on Goodell but good for him for flat out saying "I didn't get it right" then going out and making sweeping changes to the punishment. Probably one of the best things he has done as commissioner.

Valar Morghulis
08-28-2014, 04:07 PM
People like to crap on Goodell but good for him for flat out saying "I didn't get it right" then going out and making sweeping changes to the punishment. Probably one of the best things he has done as commissioner.

Totally agree mate.

Denver Native (Carol)
08-28-2014, 04:20 PM
http://www.nfl.com/static/content/public/photo/2014/08/28/0ap3000000384873.pdf

Buff
08-28-2014, 04:25 PM
People like to crap on Goodell but good for him for flat out saying "I didn't get it right" then going out and making sweeping changes to the punishment. Probably one of the best things he has done as commissioner.

I think he is overcompensating for his misstep. Are there lifetime bans for other felonies?

Seems like he has created layers and layers of double standards and it's starting to snowball on him as the years go by.

BroncoJoe
08-28-2014, 04:26 PM
I think he is overcompensating for his misstep. Are there lifetime bans for other felonies?

Seems like he has created layers and layers of double standards and it's starting to snowball on him as the years go by.

Not every offense is the same.

Buff
08-28-2014, 04:32 PM
Not every offense is the same.

Right - I'm not suggesting a one size fits all approach. But his disciplinary system has no consistency whatsoever. This only exacerbates that.

BroncoJoe
08-28-2014, 04:33 PM
Right - I'm not suggesting a one size fits all approach. But his disciplinary system has no consistency whatsoever. This only exacerbates that.

I think it's a corrective action for errors in the past.

Buff
08-28-2014, 04:42 PM
I think it's a corrective action for errors in the past.

Obviously that's exactly what it is - I'm saying that he's compounded it by going to far to the other extreme. He's overreacted to the criticism that's been sent his way. Is there a lifetime ban for anything else in football?

Not even disagreeing with the punishment - I just think he's doing it for all the wrong reasons and missed the opportunity to send an actual message with Ray Rice. This is a PR move.

BroncoWave
08-28-2014, 04:47 PM
Obviously that's exactly what it is - I'm saying that he's compounded it by going to far to the other extreme. He's overreacted to the criticism that's been sent his way. Is there a lifetime ban for anything else in football?

Not even disagreeing with the punishment - I just think he's doing it for all the wrong reasons and missed the opportunity to send an actual message with Ray Rice. This is a PR move.

Buff, the "lifetime ban" can be appealed after one season. It's pretty similar to the third offense of failing drug tests from what I have read. That's what I've been reading on Twitter at least.

ShaneFalco
08-28-2014, 04:50 PM
what a joke. Appear to look tough on domestic because you are physco on another program.

Denver Native (Carol)
08-28-2014, 04:51 PM
From letter Goddell sent to NFL owners:

In addition to focusing on domestic violence and sexual assault, we will continue to maintain strong policies regarding weapons offenses.

We are similarly working to strengthen our response to impaired driving. We have sought unsuccessfully for
several years to obtain the NFLPA’s agreement to more stringent discipline for DUI, including mandatory deactivation for the game immediately following an arrest and a minimum two-game suspension for a first
violation of law. We will continue to press our position on this issue in the hope of securing the union’s agreement
.
There are three steps that each club should take promptly: first, post and distribute the attached “Memorandum to All NFL Personnel ” to every player under contract to your club; second, ensure that your head coach reviews the information in that notice with his staff and with all your players; and third, share this letter and the attached Memorandum with all members of your organization, including your team president, General Manager, Human Resources Executive, Security Director, and Player Engagement Director.

In the coming weeks, we will contact all clubs on further steps to be taken in support of these initiatives. I am grateful for the thoughtful advice received from so many of you and for the support that I know you will give to this important work.

http://www.nfl.com/static/content/public/photo/2014/08/28/0ap3000000384873.pdf

BroncoWave
08-28-2014, 04:52 PM
what a joke. Appear to look tough on domestic because you are physco on another program.

Lol leave it to Shane to make this issue about weed. :lol:

ShaneFalco
08-28-2014, 04:54 PM
you might want to actually look at why people criticized Goodell on 2 game domestic suspensions while people like von were suspended for 4-6, and now Josh gordon for 1 year.

Simple PR move "acting tough on Domestic" is the response.

Ive said my 2 cents, better leave before i am told i am crusading. o wait. 2 late.

G_Money
08-28-2014, 04:55 PM
His real test is gonna come with Irsay. How do you discipline the guy who gives you your job? And the players all want it to be as stiff as it would be for them. Does he forfeit 4 games worth of gate receipts and donate them to the NFL charities that the NFL sends the player fines to?

I'm very curious about that.

On this, I'm glad the NFL now has a policy. Domestic violence is a big problem in the league and has been for a while. DUIs and DV would be the two things I'd like them to clean up, so kudos to them if they do. Leonard Little killed someone with a DUI, did a 90 day stint in jail, and then 6 years later got ANOTHER DUI. I'd have liked to see a lifetime ban for that kind of stupidity. If all we can get is the 6 games / 1 year, exactly like the DV penalty, then that would probably work for me.

You have money, dumbass millionaires. Call a car service. And try not to beat your significant others while reaching for that phone.

~G

OrangeHoof
08-28-2014, 05:19 PM
People like to crap on Goodell but good for him for flat out saying "I didn't get it right" then going out and making sweeping changes to the punishment. Probably one of the best things he has done as commissioner.

I agree. Most of his decisions have sucked but this is a good one.

In some quarters, I am reading "lifetime ban" for second offense and in some I am reading "Reassess after one year". I guess that's like "lifetime" prison sentences that turn out to be, like, nine months.

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08-28-2014, 07:18 PM
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sneakers
08-28-2014, 07:37 PM
no beating up family members, got it.

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Northman
08-28-2014, 08:11 PM
Wrong place to spam dude.

Joel
08-28-2014, 10:14 PM
His real test is gonna come with Irsay. How do you discipline the guy who gives you your job?
You don't. Being the public face of (and thus taking all the public criticism for) what 32 billionaires decide IS Goodells job, and he does it well. Each and every decision they make is about preserving and increasing 10 digit profits, and no one can overrule them—but who does everyone scream at for ruining the game and/or running a frat house? The lawyer ANNOUNCING and RATIONALIZING all those decisions, not the owners actually MAKING every last one of them.

It's great they're reacting to public reaction to their NON-reaction to Rice publicly beating his wife. It's wonderful that they said that it's just one part of a strict, harsh and COMPREHENSIVE disciplinary policy that includes recreational drugs, legal and otherwise. It's awful that PED abuse remains rampant and gets either a slap on the wrist or NOTHING while the guilty parties are awarded championships, encouraging young athletes to follow suit at the expense of their health and the games integrity.