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Joel
08-18-2014, 12:38 PM
We have 89 now, but the internet says it must be ≤75 by noon (MDT) August 26. Who should be the unlucky/talented 14? As helpful reminder, the current depth charts:

Offense


WR
Demaryius Thomas (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Demaryius-Thomas/a951744a-72dd-4748-a461-02fc06668e12)
Andre Caldwell (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Andre-Caldwell/d7cbfedf-8338-4608-86f3-989f2b237676)
Greg Wilson (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Greg-Wilson/364773e6-00d4-437c-bc27-e4ba6cd9bccd)
Bennie Fowler (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Bennie-Fowler/7d64cb5d-c23c-403f-bc44-fd397ada22fa)


LT
Ryan Clady (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Ryan-Clady/8ff5aae9-bdbb-45f1-a082-8d6ae3aa896b)
Winston Justice (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Winston-Justice/16383879-a13e-4338-8d33-2cf8cf8930f9)
Paul Cornick (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Paul-Cornick/665f5b6a-386e-4524-9d51-985805042930)



LG
Orlando Franklin (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Orlando-Franklin/c85d3bfc-114e-4c71-88de-346fcf38f1dc)
Ben Garland (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Ben-Garland/5a313eab-406c-4f4b-8dd3-3971214d7d9f)




C
Manny Ramirez (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Manny-Ramirez/9ed20f56-cbd4-4cac-aba3-427fc444dd8f)
Will Montgomery (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Will-Montgomery/eab7f3c7-c536-4370-a134-a52ef287a11c)
Matt Paradis (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Matt-Paradis/89452bd8-fa44-4a29-af03-ad9736b64032)



RG
Louis Vasquez (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Louis-Vasquez/2ab775d5-3d56-4e46-9814-ebe66b8a9c43)
Vinston Painter (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Vinston-Painter/0823805a-a9c8-47e3-827d-1e5b4f699217)
Ryan Miller (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Ryan-Miller/d713a19c-95e4-46d4-b2c2-59ae427327b5)



RT
Chris Clark (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Chris-Clark/bc06a384-5f62-46ac-9c2f-9576eb882db7)
Michael Schofield (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Michael-Schofield/f365a653-d9f4-4715-9ffd-121bfde86276)




TE
Julius Thomas (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Julius-Thomas/bfb583ff-6dbe-4ea3-8bd2-b6d9d36615ac)
Virgil Green (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Virgil-Green/697bb3b3-c95e-4735-ae6b-4c0da89c12d2)
Jacob Tamme (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Jacob-Tamme/b67c653f-927a-41ef-92a7-077dd9b816bb)
Jameson Konz (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Jameson-Konz/0979c735-39e3-4d1e-9192-406fb99db87b)
Gerell Robinson (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Gerell-Robinson/5800a1d5-13b9-4bbc-9ad6-e68595bb824c)
Cameron Morrah (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Cameron-Morrah/209d8545-c4a9-4c27-803d-8a32dcdfdaf6)


WR
Emmanuel Sanders (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Emmanuel-Sanders/bce0376a-1fa7-456e-b493-867b0186c393)
Cody Latimer (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Cody-Latimer/271f9b88-03c0-466f-afb1-c430912f0d36)
Nathan Palmer (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Nathan-Palmer/42513906-683a-4bac-8a01-f4f89d78423d)
Greg Hardin (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Greg-Hardin/dcc3f372-506a-4680-b909-e363d2081864)


WR
Wes Welker (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Wes-Welker/b622ff07-2e34-4bec-8e8b-610b9e0965e4)
Jordan Norwood (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Jordan-Norwood/e34113f9-588f-4226-8275-4dc72d301705)
Isaiah Burse (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Isaiah-Burse/14cf21c2-e850-41bb-8aa5-35d8f8d4b8d1)



QB
Peyton Manning (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Peyton-Manning/5e49338e-cd44-4226-9451-f111c0eb767d)
Brock Osweiler (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Brock-Osweiler/4185fe41-eb11-43c8-b812-31a069b07176)
Zac Dysert (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Zac-Dysert/e09cd2ad-646c-4d52-96e4-bbbf76b4da15)
Bryn Renner (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Bryn-Renner/009b02e4-dd26-4186-97c7-622e4d9ef309)


RB
Montee Ball (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Montee-Ball/8e7bc614-042d-40eb-97dc-5d480961686b)
Ronnie Hillman (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Ronnie-Hillman/d5e8b682-5d8b-43c2-bac5-05d1e1f4c354)
C.J. Anderson (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/C.J.-Anderson/d388f589-0901-4fa8-9b3e-8c13b12762ae)
Juwan Thompson (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Juwan-Thompson/edc0c908-8578-4836-843e-8c11ab307007)
Kapri Bibbs (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Kapri-Bibbs/b248c912-1442-484c-b685-258a490d4e9e)
Brennan Clay (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Brennan-Clay/a49f3c40-d230-48da-a104-814148861531)
Jerodis Williams (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Jerodis-Williams/23132c62-f242-420e-ad24-823540904ece)


Defense


LDE
Derek Wolfe (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Derek-Wolfe/5ca193b1-8865-496d-866e-48608d5b0602)
Malik Jackson (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Malik-Jackson/d3a5cad9-7ddd-481b-b40e-664dc5f3429c)
Will Pericak (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Will-Pericak/b64056de-2aeb-4ddd-ae3e-29992d0c1359)
Greg Latta (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Greg-Latta/1e981257-bcee-40ee-99b0-34a68fa37ee7)


DT
Sylvester Williams (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Sylvester-Williams/1abac565-2d5e-4051-963c-e71bd515f5f2)
Kevin Vickerson (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Kevin-Vickerson/fb0b17b8-6962-42d0-8557-f2be6be183eb)
Mitch Unrein (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Mitch-Unrein/2fb172ca-6597-4051-8151-a746a7716dc3)
Cody Larsen (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Cody-Larsen/5ac0a94c-94f3-4d81-869d-f67e2be70253)


NT
Terrance Knighton (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Terrance-Knighton/be864398-0a0d-4ab8-8fde-095519388109)
Marvin Austin (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Marvin-Austin/6459b861-0c0a-4bbc-b17c-4c31c54642e5)
Sione Fua (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Sione-Fua/6f87c5fc-8e6f-4ac4-87ef-130d547594aa)



RDE
DeMarcus Ware (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/DeMarcus-Ware/b39f033b-ce6e-448d-85e6-e3da2b56d14f)
Quanterus Smith (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Quanterus-Smith/c585a580-2e9c-4889-a3d1-7ad2ded93349)
Kenny Anunike (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Kenny-Anunike/5eb437e2-c6ea-424f-8c0f-e9863f8e8052)
Chase Vaughn (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Chase-Vaughn/81804051-1910-4237-99bd-219026e12a33)


SLB
Von Miller (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Von-Miller/036470c3-df00-47e4-a936-86200f2c88dc)
Lerentee McCray (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Lerentee-McCray/11c2b2ca-d88c-4d64-b52a-4068e031d394)
Shaquil Barrett (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Shaquil-Barrett/20345da3-fa8e-46df-a686-961588421b82)
Jerrell Harris (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Jerrell-Harris/7fd26e28-7423-48b1-9e66-20a174b69bbb)


MLB
Nate Irving (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Nate-Irving/2f16290f-0271-403a-9ade-c1037b306a3b)
Lamin Barrow (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Lamin-Barrow/23e64e6c-ad41-46ea-8269-a557b6e41331)
Steven Johnson (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Steven-Johnson/306fb24f-86e6-4837-8f9b-25ebc0dc0dde)
L.J. Fort (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/L.J.-Fort/44acc840-d7d6-4f82-b766-e164ef448be7)


WLB
Danny Trevathan (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Danny-Trevathan/473b9a9c-e340-4f65-ad4c-09a60be3dfbc)
Brandon Marshall (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Brandon-Marshall/50224e48-91ca-40e0-9c01-042327dce97c)
Jamar Chaney (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Jamar-Chaney/7fe42365-0389-46df-ab10-44af8a496202)
Corey Nelson (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Corey-Nelson/f456eb82-eff6-4311-bfd0-6d6663b37d04)


LCB
Aqib Talib (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Aqib-Talib/8b5aba78-4164-4bc6-a4cd-7b6c32dbb294)
Bradley Roby (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Bradley-Roby/d85c2a37-fe3b-4c92-a56b-47e8048cc50a)
Tony Carter (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Tony-Carter/8f24e36f-e753-4790-9265-03f4d2cc9be0)
Louis Young (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Louis-Young/b60d1518-5c15-40a4-9c95-abdb9fac7158)


RCB
Chris Harris Jr. (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Chris-Harris%20Jr./6fb07762-c228-4b8e-9a2c-8007c6b1e5e2)
Kayvon Webster (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Kayvon-Webster/01b4eaac-a67e-4484-b952-6a1f8ae6af1b)
Omar Bolden (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Omar-Bolden/4ce7c58e-fede-410f-b3cd-db510110aa2f)
Jerome Murphy (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Jerome-Murphy/60f2b0c6-d39d-4ed3-866f-7a852365b1e4)
Jordan Sullen (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Jordan-Sullen/d3774bc7-953c-4c2d-af22-6e945ff9120c)


SS
T.J. Ward (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/T.J.-Ward/5a46c6a9-45e4-4ae2-bdd3-c504392976ec)
Duke Ihenacho (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Duke-Ihenacho/9f50cfdb-0ebb-4783-a9f4-29719d481636)
John Boyett (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/John-Boyett/06b2d357-14e3-4ccb-9f7c-785bf3e877c0)



FS
Rahim Moore (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Rahim-Moore/e72e3bec-462b-45d4-a815-fe13df1e68da)
Quinton Carter (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Quinton-Carter/8752efe8-c76c-48d5-ac6a-f0a15d44ead9)
David Bruton (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/David-Bruton/4eb85e3d-502f-4a8b-b1af-b1d4b203bd57)
Charles Mitchell (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Charles-Mitchell/dd439114-28cc-4503-ab96-2b994200dfb3)


Special Teams




K
Matt Prater (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Matt-Prater/ea5f77c2-7f91-4d56-85ab-def0bf50b97f)
Mitch Ewald (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Mitch-Ewald/338b3127-441a-497a-8b33-a5f6e75907c0)




P
Britton Colquitt (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Britton-Colquitt/a4031f54-310e-43ce-962b-efe5b2293ed3)





H
Britton Colquitt (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Britton-Colquitt/a4031f54-310e-43ce-962b-efe5b2293ed3)





LS
Aaron Brewer (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Aaron-Brewer/59a4ce72-56be-4a74-ad12-af5df2ec4f23)





PR
Wes Welker (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Wes-Welker/b622ff07-2e34-4bec-8e8b-610b9e0965e4)
Jordan Norwood (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Jordan-Norwood/e34113f9-588f-4226-8275-4dc72d301705)
Isaiah Burse (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Isaiah-Burse/14cf21c2-e850-41bb-8aa5-35d8f8d4b8d1)



KR
Andre Caldwell (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Andre-Caldwell/d7cbfedf-8338-4608-86f3-989f2b237676)
Omar Bolden (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Omar-Bolden/4ce7c58e-fede-410f-b3cd-db510110aa2f)



We must also shed 22 more 96 hours later, but we'll get to see them all in the Dallas game in between, so if it's early to name the first cuts, it's WAY early to name the final ones.

Northman
08-18-2014, 12:58 PM
At first i was listing all those who should go but the easiest way to do it just drop all of those in the 4th string except Juwan Thompson.

Joel
08-18-2014, 01:03 PM
Also (to round things out) we can put 8 "cut" players on the practice squad IF they weren't on ANY 1) NFL active roster >½ of any season OR 2) practice squad >1 season.

Players who meet the first criterion but not the second can spend a 3rd season on a practice squad IF (and only as long as) the team has a 53 man roster. Practice squad players can sign with any other team at any time, but cannot be signed to another teams practice squad unless their current one releases them.

CoachChaz
08-18-2014, 01:04 PM
Still a bit soon, but I think I could probably make the full list right now

Joel
08-18-2014, 01:10 PM
At first i was listing all those who should go but the easiest way to do it just drop all of those in the 4th string except Juwan Thompson.
Most notably, I have no idea who 3rd string Nathan Palmer is, but in the little two preseason games can reveal, 4th string Fowler's done more. Still 19 names though.

BroncoWave
08-18-2014, 01:11 PM
I'd cut Juwan Thompson.

Joel
08-18-2014, 01:22 PM
I'd cut Juwan Thompson.
For Bibbs or another back, or along with all other 4th string backs? Bearing in mind we could PS any or all of them with low risk of any team signing them to their 53 man roster (which would still be no worse than cutting them.) Put another way, are you saying we shouldn't keep 4 RBs, or that Thompson's not among our top 4?

Rick
08-18-2014, 01:50 PM
After the pushoff in the end zone and then on the very next play letting a ball bounce off you and into the arms of a defender for an INT(called back because of penalty) id cut Bennie Fowler.

tripp
08-18-2014, 01:56 PM
Would like to see a bit more from Juwan Thompson, he's shown more promise than Bibbs, Clay, and Williams. Hillman looked OK yesterday, but outside of that nothing really to get excited about other than Juwan Thompson trucking over one of the 49ers defenders for first and goal. I just don't know whether Thompson's style of play will translate to a successful or injury free season for him against experienced defenders. Considering Montee Ball and Hillman had trouble holding on to the ball last year, C.j. Anderson was injured for a bit, I don't see how you don't have a 4th RB just as insurance.

Ziggy
08-18-2014, 01:58 PM
Would like to see a bit more from Juwan Thompson, he's shown more promise than Bibbs, Clay, and Williams. Hillman looked OK yesterday, but outside of that nothing to really to get excited about other than Juwan Thompson trucking over one of the 49ers defenders for first and goal. I just don't know whether Thompson's style of play will translate to a successful or injury free season for him against experienced defenders.

I think Thompson makes this roster as the 4th back behind Ball, Hillman and CJ. He'll probably be inactive most games, but he's a quality #4 back.

Joel
08-18-2014, 02:15 PM
Looking closer at 3rd stringers, I'd think Burse will soon be on the bubble, and may already be. With 3 starting WRs, half a dozen guys are in front of "third string," and Norwood's ahead of Burse on the depth chart as both WR and returner. With all the discussion I've heard about whether we'll keep Norwood, it's hard to imagine keeping the guy behind him at BOTH positions.

Were it me (as it's obviously not, so just MHO,) I'd swap Palmer for Fowler, then cut the whole 4th string except Thompson and Bibbs (one of whom I'd PS.) On top of them, Burse, Chaney/Barrett, Pericak and Miller/Cornick. So 23-25 guys, leaving room for ~10 guys if we want to sign some teams promising castoff on the 26th to see if he's worth keeping after the 30th.

89-25=64, which is 3 more than we can have on the 53+PS, so I'd (eventually) cut Ewald, Boyett and Fua also. We could PS Fowler or Wilson (even both, especially since we can't PS Norwood) along with whichever of Thompson and Bibbs didn't make the 53, and Paradis, Garland and even Dysert would probably be safe there, too. Schofield MIGHT be safe there, but I'm not sure who'd be my last PS squad guy to get us down to 53. Normally, I'd say ANY of our 2nd string LBs—except two will START Opening Day, and I'm not sure Barrow SHOULDN'T have Irvings starting job.

underrated29
08-18-2014, 02:24 PM
We have 89 now, but the internet says it must be ≤75 by noon (MDT) August 26. Who should be the unlucky/talented 14? As helpful reminder, the current depth charts:
.


1. Ewald
2. clay
3. cameron morrah
4. sione fua
5. brynn renner
6. greg latta
7. lj fort
8. chase vaugh
9. cody harris
10. jerrell harris
11. Jordan Sullen
12. Shaquiel barrett (PS)
13. jamar chaney
14. James Konz


1. Isiah Burse
2. Greg Hardin
3. Bennie Fowler (ps)
4. Duke Ihencacho
5. Tony Carter
6. Greg Wilson
7. Nathan Palmer
8. Steve Johnson
9. Will paricek
10. Mitch Unrein
11. Kenny Anunike (ps)
12. John Boyett (ps)
13. Matt Paradis (ps)
14. Ryan Miller
15. Vinston painter (ps)
16. Bibbs (ps)
17. Charles Mitchell
18. Loius Young
19. Jerome Murphy (ps)



The list is not perfect....as I have no Qb for the PS- and I do not think we keep 3 qbs, but as of this list I say we do. So there will be some tweaking. I would like Paradis to make the squad over Montgomery. I would like Boynett to make the Team at S....Omar Boldin makes the squad over Tony Carter, but I think both should make it.

anyway. its a start.

underrated29
08-18-2014, 02:26 PM
I think Thompson makes this roster as the 4th back behind Ball, Hillman and CJ. He'll probably be inactive most games, but he's a quality #4 back.



Id rather him than Hillman. I would like to see thompson run with the 1s. I think he would break the FOs spell they are under on hillman.

Joel
08-18-2014, 02:26 PM
Would like to see a bit more from Juwan Thompson, he's shown more promise than Bibbs, Clay, and Williams. Hillman looked OK yesterday, but outside of that nothing really to get excited about other than Juwan Thompson trucking over one of the 49ers defenders for first and goal. I just don't know whether Thompson's style of play will translate to a successful or injury free season for him against experienced defenders. Considering Montee Ball and Hillman had trouble holding on to the ball last year, C.j. Anderson was injured for a bit, I don't see how you don't have a 4th RB just as insurance.
He had several nice cut-and-go runs against Seattle, too, and finished with a rushing average >10 yds/carry, IIRC. It's nice seeing a RB who doesn't run straight into DTs (or up his OGs butt) OR dance around in the backfield for 5 seconds without ever GOING anywhere. I know it's just 2 games vs. backups, and I don't see practice, but Thompson's done at least as much as Bibbs, and I've seen nothing from Clay nor Williams. One thing about it; while he's 3rd/4th string, durability can't be an issue, however much he loves hitting tacklers hard enough to make them think twice.

ShaneFalco
08-18-2014, 02:28 PM
Cut Clady, Franklin, Manning, All first stringers...

Then bring in The Replacements and ShaneFalco as QB. Oh and Danny Bateman can be our OLB replacing Trevathan.

http://spike.mtvnimages.com/images/import/blog//1/8/7/5/1875583/200901/1232659465930.jpg

underrated29
08-18-2014, 02:29 PM
I forgot to cut jerodis williams too. So that could be a roster spot for Tony Carter, not sure we keep 7cbs tho? But There are guys who are a lot closer to making the team then poor Jerodis.

blamkin86
08-18-2014, 02:33 PM
He had several nice cut-and-go runs against Seattle, too, and finished with a rushing average >10 yds/carry, IIRC. It's nice seeing a RB who doesn't run straight into DTs (or up his OGs butt) OR dance around in the backfield for 5 seconds without ever GOING anywhere. I know it's just 2 games vs. backups, and I don't see practice, but Thompson's done at least as much as Bibbs, and I've seen nothing from Clay nor Williams. One thing about it; while he's 3rd/4th string, durability can't be an issue, however much he loves hitting tacklers hard enough to make them think twice.

I think it was Thompson (need to watch it again to be sure) who got completely blown up in pass protection late in the 49'ers game. I was expecting to see him earlier until I saw that happen.

Joel
08-18-2014, 02:41 PM
I forgot to cut jerodis williams too. So that could be a roster spot for Tony Carter, not sure we keep 7cbs tho? But There are guys who are a lot closer to making the team then poor Jerodis.
I like your list, even with a handful of guys I'd like to keep for depth (or without a few I want to cut, depending on perspective.) For one thing, you found a few guys I want to keep that have PS eligibility I didn't know about (e.g. Painter's may be safer there than Schofield.) One thing: I believe we only have 89 on the roster now, so "only" must cut/PS 32 by months end.

One other thing: As much as teams pass now, I'd be uncomfortable cutting Carter AND Ihenacho; we saw last year how important it is to have quality depth available for dime/nickelback if even one starter gets hurt, and Harris is coming off an ACL tear. Also I like Steven Johnson a lot, especially after 7 pt Ints in back-to-back games; I'd make him our 7th LB. Guess that's three things. :tongue:

EDIT: I added wrong initially; our 89 must be -14 to 75 by the 26th, but getting to 53 means cutting 22 more (though 8 of them can go to the PS.) So drop 28 guys, and PS 8 more.

Joel
08-18-2014, 02:44 PM
I think it was Thompson (need to watch it again to be sure) who got completely blown up in pass protection late in the 49'ers game. I was expecting to see him earlier until I saw that happen.
Missed that, so I'll take your word. It's the first negative I've heard about him though; he's reportedly picked up the offense very fast, and caught and pass-blocked well in college, where he was also a STs ace. Neither Bibbs, Clay nor Williams bring that to the table, so if I had to pick a #4 RB, it'd be Thompson, with Bibbs to the PS.

underrated29
08-18-2014, 02:50 PM
I see a carter doing everything ihenacho does only better. And i think we only keep 5 safeties...tj and rahim, qcarter, bruton (ST) and ......who am I forgetting?...if I am not forgetting anyone then ihenacho makes it as the 4/5th safety.

I agree about tony carter.

Talib, Harris,webster, roby, boldin.....once agin, if we keep 6 then it has to be tony c.


Steve has real game experience which is nice. His ints help too. I would keep him over dysert but who knows.


Painter IMO is a physical specimen but sucks at blocking. I think we need to look at him as a lb, te, FB, I don't know.....I think he'd be ok on the ps....so hard to tell right now.
I'd like to cut/trade Hillman but that's unlikely.

Ziggy
08-18-2014, 02:58 PM
Tony Carter is feast or famine. His interception would have been a TD for San Fran had the ball been thrown properly. The QB took him from zero to hero on that play. He was 2 steps behind the WR and flat out beaten. Of course Alfred Williams tried to make it sound like he made a great play on the ball. Can Big Al just go to another city already? He's worse as a color commentator than he is on the radio. Him and Zapollo couldn't call the right Broncos players names. There were at least 3 instances where they called the wrong name on a Denver player making the play, including the rushing TD by Anderson.

GEM
08-18-2014, 03:12 PM
Id rather him than Hillman. I would like to see thompson run with the 1s. I think he would break the FOs spell they are under on hillman.

I was rather pissed yesterday when they wouldn't put him in with the 1's. Just want to see what he can do in those situations, we've already seen Hillman fail with the 1's.

BroncoWave
08-18-2014, 03:16 PM
I was rather pissed yesterday when they wouldn't put him in with the 1's. Just want to see what he can do in those situations, we've already seen Hillman fail with the 1's.

Juwan didn't really do a whole lot yesterday other than the one nice run. I don't see what he's done to deserve playing with the ones. From what I have seen, Hillman and CJ are better.

GEM
08-18-2014, 03:22 PM
Juwan didn't really do a whole lot yesterday other than the one nice run. I don't see what he's done to deserve playing with the ones. From what I have seen, Hillman and CJ are better.

Just to see what he can do....that's what preseason is for.

Joel
08-18-2014, 03:22 PM
I see a carter doing everything ihenacho does only better. And i think we only keep 5 safeties...tj and rahim, qcarter, bruton (ST) and ......who am I forgetting?...if I am not forgetting anyone then ihenacho makes it as the 4/5th safety.
I guess John Boyett, but you had him PSed and I cut him, so you're only forgetting the forgettable, and Ihenacho would be the 5th safety if we have one.


I agree about tony carter.

Talib, Harris,webster, roby, boldin.....once agin, if we keep 6 then it has to be tony c.
Yup, and he helped his case with the tip drill Int last week, while Ihenacho's really regressed after wowwing his way into the starting roster last preseason. Todays passing game almost obligates us to keep ONE of them, and Carter's playing much better than Ihenacho now, so that seems to make it simple.


Steve has real game experience which is nice. His ints help too. I would keep him over dysert but who knows.
Well, if we PS Dysert we can still sign him to the 53 later if (heaven forbid) we lose Manning or Oz for any length of time AND can't find a better FA. It's unlikely anyone will sign our sophomore 7th rounder to their 53, so he ought to be safe there until/unless we need him. With Miller coming off an ACL, Trevathans tibia broken and Irving yet to show anything in 3 years of trying, I'm much more worried about needing but not having Johnson than Dysert.

Also, in addition to his pair of 7 pt Ints in as many preseason gamees, Johnson was also the guy who stuffed Jamaal Charles on 3rd and G at our 1 last year, a key play that helped give KC their first loss and us the Division lead we never relinquished. If he can cover AND stuff an elite runner like Charles at the goal line when it matters most, he's mah linebacker.


Painter IMO is a physical specimen but sucks at blocking. I think we need to look at him as a lb, te, FB, I don't know.....I think he'd be ok on the ps....so hard to tell right now.
I'd like to cut/trade Hillman but that's unlikely.
Sounds good; knowing we can put Painter on the PS squad with little risk someone signs him means we'd have him available to call up if someone was hurt for an extended period.

One thing to keep in mind on the last DB: Right now, I believe BOLDEN'S actually the 6th CB, right behind Carter, but we drafted Bolden as a safety, CONVERTING him to CB (IIRC, after he'd already been a Denver safety for a year.) So, even though Carter plays CB like a safety, Bolden actually WAS one, plus he's listed as our #2 KR. I could easily see us keeping Talib, Harris, Webster, Roby as our top 4 CBs, Ward, Moore and Quinton Carter as our top 3 safeties and Bolden and Bruton as ST starters who double as a #5 CB/#4/5FS and #4/5 FS.

Maybe we should've converted Carter to safety instead of converting Bolden to CB. :tongue:

GEM
08-18-2014, 03:23 PM
I'd hate for them to look at it like some of you, then we let him go and he goes to another team with a chip on his shoulder and makes us eat shit while we continue trying to make Hillman into something he'll never be.

If he sucks with the 1's, then so be it. At least then we would know.

BroncoWave
08-18-2014, 03:29 PM
What makes him deserve a shot with the 1s though? Why not give every 4th stringer a shot with the ones to see what they can do?

GEM
08-18-2014, 03:31 PM
What makes him deserve a shot with the 1s though? Why not give every 4th stringer a shot with the ones to see what they can do?

Why not? Why are you so opposed to it? A lot of 4's didn't show what he showed in the SEA game. If he sucks, then all questions are answered.

BroncoWave
08-18-2014, 03:36 PM
Why not? Why are you so opposed to it? A lot of 4's didn't show what he showed in the SEA game. If he sucks, then all questions are answered.

I'm not necessarily opposed to it. I'm not going to boycott it if we do give him the chance. I just don't really see the point. If the coaches who see him in camp every day are going to keep him with the 4s, that tells me all I need to know. If they change their mind and play him with the 1s, that's fine, I just don't see the point in it as of now.

Northman
08-18-2014, 03:38 PM
Yea, i have no problem with Thompson getting time with the 1's.

GEM
08-18-2014, 03:39 PM
I'm not necessarily opposed to it. I'm not going to boycott it if we do give him the chance. I just don't really see the point. If the coaches who see him in camp every day are going to keep him with the 4s, that tells me all I need to know. If they change their mind and play him with the 1s, that's fine, I just don't see the point in it as of now.

We have at least one player we do this with every season. :laugh: For once, I just want them to effing listen! :laugh:

BroncoWave
08-18-2014, 03:39 PM
Also, I think you are being a little unfair to Hillman. From all reports he's looked good in camp, and he looked good in both preseason games, both against really good defenses. It looks like he has added some bulk and so far he is holding onto the ball. To me, he has earned the chance to run with the 1s while Ball is out and I've seen nothing suggesting why he should lose that job.

Northman
08-18-2014, 03:41 PM
Hillman is getting playing time because he has experience. I dont think he is necessarily outplaying anyone. After Ball, i think its a toss up between Hillman, CJ, and Thompson. But of course Hillman will get the nod as he has more game time experience than the other two. But its not like he is crushing it out there.

GEM
08-18-2014, 03:42 PM
Also, I think you are being a little unfair to Hillman. From all reports he's looked great in camp, and he looked good in both preseason games, both against really good defenses. It looks like he has added some bulk and so far he is holding onto the ball. To me, he has earned the chance to run with the 1s while Ball is out and I've seen nothing suggesting why he should lose that job.

For me, he's proven in 2 seasons that practice doesn't make a player, when the games were on the line, he literally dropped the ball. I have no patience when it comes to him. Even if he holds onto the ball, I see nothing special about him. I keep hearing change of pace, I don't buy that. He hasn't shown anything that says he's a Sproles type of player. Yes, he's small, that doesn't make him shifty and it doesn't make him a change of pace. He's just a smaller back with not a whole lot of tricks up his sleeve. Tatum Bell 2.0, small but ineffective.

Ziggy
08-18-2014, 03:43 PM
Jawaan had a hole on exactly one play. When he did, he flat out trucked the first defender that got to him, and bulled his way down to the one yard line for a first and goal. Last week he had holes to run through and showed what he could do. This week he only had one. He truly has made the most of every opportunity in both games. Hillman goes down on first contact on nearly every carry and isn't the speed back he was advertised to be. He's been average at best, with poor pass blocking to boot. I still like CJ, but I'd love to see Juwaan get some more opportunities.

BroncoWave
08-18-2014, 03:43 PM
For me, he's proven in 2 seasons that practice doesn't make a player, when the games were on the line, he literally dropped the ball. I have no patience when it comes to him. Even if he holds onto the ball, I see nothing special about him. I keep hearing change of pace, I don't buy that. He hasn't shown anything that says he's a Sproles type of player. Yes, he's small, that doesn't make him shifty and it doesn't make him a change of pace. He's just a smaller back with not a whole lot of tricks up his sleeve. Tatum Bell 2.0, small but ineffective.

Well I really liked Tatum Bell too, so I guess that's just my kind of back. :lol:

I'll never forget the game where SD blew us out in week 17 and Bell was our only player who showed up and he played his ass off. It disappointed me that we didn't give him a chance the next season.

Ziggy
08-18-2014, 03:45 PM
Well I really liked Tatum Bell too, so I guess that's just my kind of back. :lol:

I'll never forget the game where SD blew us out in week 17 and Bell was our only player who showed up and he played his ass off. It disappointed me that we didn't give him a chance the next season.

Tatum Bell would rip off some long runs from time to time. I've yet to see Hillman show that home run ability. I'm not as low on him as some others, but he's a 3rd string talent in my eyes.

CoachChaz
08-18-2014, 03:46 PM
I've never been a fan of Hillman, but I still wait to see/hear where this speed of his comes into play. But when I read tweets and reports from camp, it's always the same thing..."Hilman had a nice catch, but was caught before he had a chance to show off his speed"..."A nice cut by Hillman almost gave him a chance to turn on the jets before he was tripped up"..."Hillman was about to take one to the house before being cut off by a blocker"

There always seems to be a note or comment about how Hillman was going to show off his amazing speed...but something always seems to prevent it from happening. Sorry...I just dont think he has any change of pace to offer. After 2 seasons and 3 camps, you'd think we'd have seen it by now.

GEM
08-18-2014, 03:46 PM
Well I really liked Tatum Bell too, so I guess that's just my kind of back. :lol:

I'll never forget the game where SD blew us out in week 17 and Bell was our only player who showed up and he played his ass off. It disappointed me that we didn't give him a chance the next season.

I just don't see the durability of a bigger back. Even Sproles has fallen out of the spotlight. There just isn't a large shelf life for a rb that size. I'd rather keep a guy that can tank over a LB, than a guy that can't truck and also can't be shifty enough to get by anyone.

Bell was exciting a couple games out of all his games, but that doesn't overshadow all the times he wasn't. :shrugs:

BroncoWave
08-18-2014, 03:46 PM
Tatum Bell would rip off some long runs from time to time. I've yet to see Hillman show that home run ability. I'm not as low on him as some others, but he's a 3rd string talent in my eyes.

Oh I agree, I'm not saying that Hillman is some stud. I just don't think either CJ or Thompson are better from what I have seen. I would love to be proven wrong though and see one emerge as a stud.

CoachChaz
08-18-2014, 03:47 PM
I can see a guy like Leon Washington getting cut. When that happens, I'm on the phone with him and Hillman gets his walking papers

BroncoWave
08-18-2014, 03:48 PM
I can see a guy like Leon Washington getting cut. When that happens, I'm on the phone with him and Hillman gets his walking papers

Definitely wouldn't shock me to see us pick up a FA after camp cuts. I'm not really in love with any of the depth behind Ball.

CoachChaz
08-18-2014, 03:50 PM
Definitely wouldn't shock me to see us pick up a FA after camp cuts. I'm not really in love with any of the depth behind Ball.

I like CJ and Juwan, but would love to see more. I think either or both would be decent back-ups, but I'd still like to have that 3rd down threat

Mike
08-18-2014, 03:51 PM
Also, I think you are being a little unfair to Hillman. From all reports he's looked good in camp, and he looked good in both preseason games, both against really good defenses. It looks like he has added some bulk and so far he is holding onto the ball. To me, he has earned the chance to run with the 1s while Ball is out and I've seen nothing suggesting why he should lose that job.

Hillman has played decent in the two preseason games, but still shows nothing special. I do like that he has been holding on to the ball though. Still, I think he has shown what he is capable of and his upside and it isn't much different than Anderson and Thompson who haven't shown their upside/potential.

GEM
08-18-2014, 03:53 PM
Hillman's draft position has more to do with him still being here than his ability.

BeefStew25
08-18-2014, 03:55 PM
We miss Moreno.

Joel
08-18-2014, 04:01 PM
I was rather pissed yesterday when they wouldn't put him in with the 1's. Just want to see what he can do in those situations, we've already seen Hillman fail with the 1's.
That is, I understand the coaches want to verify Hillman's learned to protect the ball, and that's a consistency question whose answer needs dozens of plays—but otherwise, he's been on the active rosters TWO FULL SEASONS, getting plenty of carries in real games; what can PRESEASON reveal that the whole world's not already seen? Thompson, on the other hand, has huge upside in almost every possible way: Quick, bruising runner, from an offense like ours, where he showed the receiving and blocking skills we demand, and he had a great ST resume in college.

Let's see if any or all of that translates to an NFL starting lineup.

I doubt Hillman's on the short list of RBs who became sudden stars after two years failing to beat out even average players for the starting job. If QBs have the steepest pro learning curve, RBs probably have the flattest; guys who haven't figured it out in two full years probably never will. I'd understand if he'd been stuck on the bench behind CJ2K (Joseph Addai was probably the ONLY Colt who didn't miss Edgerrin James,) or plagued by injury like Moreno. But Hillman's been 100% for two full seasons, had plenty of opportunities, and consistently come up short—literally.

Backs are PAID to salt away wins by running out the clock with first downs: Hillman FAILED to do that at the end of regulation in a playoff game against Baltimore, leaving them 40 seconds for a tying Hail Mary in our house that helped send them to a SB championship and left us winless in the 2012 playoffs. He got a second chance on the road against Mannings old team last year—and fumbled away a TD that would've put within a FG of the lead in a game we lost by 6.

Joel
08-18-2014, 04:21 PM
We miss Moreno.
Even when it completely mystifies me; half the fanbase screamed at Moreno for 4 straight seasons (several plagued by injuries) because he didn't deliver what a 1st round back "should"—but when he finally DID, we voided our club option for a 5th year, then let him walk because we wouldn't pay him. Near as I can tell, we're supposed to draft a 5th round starting RB who produces like Jim Thorpe FOR THE SAME SALARY. Good luck, especially if late/undrafted RBs aren't allowed 1st team blockers. There's a reason Vinston Painter'd be safe on the PS.

underrated29
08-18-2014, 06:23 PM
Also, I think you are being a little unfair to Hillman. From all reports he's looked good in camp, and he looked good in both preseason games, both against really good defenses. It looks like he has added some bulk and so far he is holding onto the ball. To me, he has earned the chance to run with the 1s while Ball is out and I've seen nothing suggesting why he should lose that job.



Here my thing with that. Hillman ran through his holes and ran hard. If it was Cj or juwann I think those runs would have gone for even more yards. Those guys see the holes better IMO and they can break tackles and churn out extra yards. Hillman did push through on a run or two, but Thompson or Cj would have pushed even farther perhaps broke one free. They don't go down on the first or second hit. That's why they IMO deserve to get some runs with the 1s.

Is more about juwann being able to do more with those guys then Hillman doing less. Hillman took what was there and it was fine. Those guys would do the same and likely more.

Dzone
08-18-2014, 06:37 PM
Get rid of Hillman now,or wait until he fumbles away a victory and deactivate him.

MOtorboat
08-18-2014, 07:03 PM
Players on that fourth line won't likely be on the 53. Some of them will be on the practice squad, though.

I was a little afraid of responding to this thread though. Everyone gets a ribbon! No cuts!

Joel
08-18-2014, 07:30 PM
Players on that fourth line won't likely be on the 53. Some of them will be on the practice squad, though.

I was a little afraid of responding to this thread though. Everyone gets a ribbon! No cuts!
Yeah, looking back, I REALLY jumped the gun, because the first cuts look pretty easy, and if the hard ones are only 4 days later, they'll almost certainly be made based on the backups backups playing most of the last preseason game, so the key factor in who makes the final roster can't be known until AFTER next Tuesdays cuts. Plus there's still the Houston game before that.

This is the time to figure out who's safe and who's on the bubble though, and the first step is figuring out who's not EVEN on the bubble. As you and others say, that looks like the fourth string and a dozen or so others who'll be playing for their careers in the second half against Houston, who need to do well there and in practice just to stick around long enough to get a chance to make the final roster against Dallas. Even the PS only has 8 slots, and anyone who's been active for more than half the games in three seasons doesn't even have that contingency.

The decisions (or, in our case, PREFERENCES) are actually less complex and daunting than I'd feared, mainly because there are 20 4th stringers (21 if we count Burse) and only 2-3 I'd even want for the PS; cutting 70 guys down to 53 is much easier than cutting down 89. Unless, y'know, you're ONE of them, or one of the coaches who's spent 1 or more preseasons with them.

Sometimes I admit feeling a bit douchey sitting here in my living room on a computer raising Hell about how this man I've never met should have his career ended while this other man I've never met should be paid millions of dollars, all based on watching an hour or two of their lives each week for less than half a year. Then again, they've all been supremely blessed with physical abilities most of us can only imagine, and get more gravy with their lumps than most do, so I don't feel TOO bad. ;)

GEM
08-18-2014, 08:09 PM
Cause asking for a guy to get a few runs with the runs in preseason is asking for him to be bumped to the top spot. Cut that loser now, forget the ribbons.

MOtorboat
08-18-2014, 08:33 PM
Cause asking for a guy to get a few runs with the runs in preseason is asking for him to be bumped to the top spot. Cut that loser now, forget the ribbons.

Can you point to where I was against putting him with the ones or where I suggested he needed to be cut? Anywhere?

All I've suggested is he has long odds to make the team (which the ******* chart on page one of this thread and the fact he's still clearly fourth string ought to ******* yell you). That's it. I apologize to anyone who is offended by that. Good grief.

GEM
08-18-2014, 09:05 PM
Can you point to where I was against putting him with the ones or where I suggested he needed to be cut? Anywhere?

All I've suggested is he has long odds to make the team (which the ******* chart on page one of this thread and the fact he's still clearly fourth string ought to ******* yell you). That's it. I apologize to anyone who is offended by that. Good grief.

And have to follow it with the ribbons comment and then wonder when people make the same kind of reply. No ******* shit he's 4th string, had you not pointed it out over and over, nobody would have figured it out. Nobody is calling him to be moved up without merit, they want to see more, with higher players to see what it does for his game. All the while, hiding behind where players sit on the depth chart, but if you had a ******* clue, you'd realize the ONLY reason Hillman sits in 2nd is because of where he was drafted, not ability. No one forces you to keep posting in this thread telling us something we all already know, we just WANT to see what the kid has. Not like the front office checks this site and follows it. FFS!

CrazyHorse
08-18-2014, 09:10 PM
Pretty much this list except Ihenacho makes it over Vickerson/Unrein.
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/67565/denver-broncos-projected-roster-5

CrazyHorse
08-18-2014, 09:13 PM
For me, he's proven in 2 seasons that practice doesn't make a player, when the games were on the line, he literally dropped the ball. I have no patience when it comes to him. Even if he holds onto the ball, I see nothing special about him. I keep hearing change of pace, I don't buy that. He hasn't shown anything that says he's a Sproles type of player. Yes, he's small, that doesn't make him shifty and it doesn't make him a change of pace. He's just a smaller back with not a whole lot of tricks up his sleeve. Tatum Bell 2.0, small but ineffective.

How dare you criticize Tatum Bell like that. He was a 1,000 yard rusher. That's more than Hillman's accomplished.

MOtorboat
08-18-2014, 09:38 PM
For me it's easier to look at who will be on the team than which players to cut:

QB - Peyton Manning, Brock Osweiler, Zac Dysert
RB - Montee Ball, Ronnie Hillman, C.J. Anderson, Jawan Thompson
TE - Julius Thomas, Virgil Green, Jacob Tamme
WR - DeMaryius Thomas, Wes Welker, Emmanuel Sanders, Cody Latimer, Andre Caldwell, Jordan Norwood
OT - Ryan Clady, Chris Clark, Winston Justice
OG - Louis Vasquez, Orlando Franklin, Vinton Painter, Ben Garland
OC - Manny Ramirez, Will Montgomery

DL - Terrance Knighton, Kevin Vickerson, Sylvester Williams, Derek Wolfe, Malik Jackson, Marvin Austin
Rush End - Von Miller, DeMarcus Ware, Quanterus Smith, Lerentee McCray
LB - Nate Irving, Danny Trevathan, Brandon Marshall, Steven Johnson, Lamin Barrow
CB - Aqib Talib, Chris Harris, Bradley Roby, Kayvon Webster, Omar Bolden, Tony Carter
S - T.J. Ward, Rahim Moore, Duke Ihenacho, Quinton Carter, David Bruton

K - Matt Prater
P - Britton Colquitt
LS - Aaron Brewer

CrazyHorse
08-18-2014, 09:51 PM
Any reason for Garland over Schofield?

MOtorboat
08-18-2014, 09:52 PM
Any reason for Garland over Schofield?

Sentiment.

BroncoWave
08-18-2014, 09:59 PM
I really hope Tony Carter doesn't make the team.

TXBRONC
08-18-2014, 09:59 PM
Denver carried four running backs on the roster last year and that seems be pretty typical of most NFL teams. I wouldn't doubt if Elway and Fox have their four backs in Ball, Hillman, Anderson, and Thompson. I think every team in the NFL carries a running back on their practice squad and I bet it will be Bibbs if he clears waivers.

BroncoWave
08-18-2014, 10:01 PM
Denver carried four running backs on the roster last year and that seems be pretty typical of most NFL teams. I wouldn't doubt if Elway and Fox have their four backs in Ball, Hillman, Anderson, and Thompson. I think every team in the NFL carries a running back on their practice squad and I bet will be Bibbs if he clears waivers.

It wouldn't shock me if we go after a veteran camp cut either. I would be very uncomfortable with a trio of Hillman/CJ/Juwan if Ball were to go down. That would be a pretty mediocre set of backs IMO.

MOtorboat
08-18-2014, 10:19 PM
And have to follow it with the ribbons comment and then wonder when people make the same kind of reply. No ******* shit he's 4th string, had you not pointed it out over and over, nobody would have figured it out. Nobody is calling him to be moved up without merit, they want to see more, with higher players to see what it does for his game. All the while, hiding behind where players sit on the depth chart, but if you had a ******* clue, you'd realize the ONLY reason Hillman sits in 2nd is because of where he was drafted, not ability. No one forces you to keep posting in this thread telling us something we all already know, we just WANT to see what the kid has. Not like the front office checks this site and follows it. FFS!

Try reading what I wrote this time, not what you think I wrote.

BroncoWave
08-18-2014, 10:21 PM
Mo, I get that you don't like Juwan Thompson but wishing he would get AIDS is a little harsh.

Dapper Dan
08-19-2014, 02:31 AM
Here's my 52-man roster.

Quarterback
2 Dysert, Zac
18 Manning, Peyton
17 Osweiler, Brock
Runningback
28 Ball, Montee
23 Hillman, Ronnie
40 Thompson, Juwan
Wide Receiver
83 Welker, Wes
19 Burse, Isaiah
12 Caldwell, Andre
14 Latimer, Cody
10 Sanders, Emmanuel
88 Thomas, Demaryius
Tight End
85 Green, Virgil
84 Tamme, Jacob
80 Thomas, Julius
Offensive Line
70 Painter, Vinston
79 Schofield, Michael
78 Clady, Ryan
75 Clark, Chris
74 Franklin, Orlando
63 Garland, Ben
65 Vasquez, Louis
61 Paradis, Matt
66 Ramirez, Manny
Defensive Line
97 Jackson, Malik
93 Smith, Quanterus
94 Ware, DeMarcus
95 Wolfe, Derek
76 Austin, Marvin
98 Knighton, Terrance
96 Unrein, Mitch
99 Vickerson, Kevin
92 Williams, Sylvester
Linebacker
57 Barrow, Lamin
56 Irving, Nate
54 Marshall, Brandon
55 McCray, Lerentee
58 Miller, Von
59 Trevathan, Danny
Defensive Back
31 Bolden, Omar
30 Bruton, David
27 Ihenacho, Duke
26 Moore, Rahim
43 Ward, T.J.
32 Carter, Tony
25 Harris Jr., Chris
29 Roby, Bradley
21 Talib, Aqib
36 Webster, Kayvon
Special Teams
4 Colquitt, Britton
5 Prater, Matt
46 Brewer, Aaron

Dapper Dan
08-19-2014, 02:32 AM
I had a hard time cutting Will Montgomery. Maybe he would be the 53rd guy.

Joel
08-19-2014, 04:47 AM
For me it's easier to look at who will be on the team than which players to cut:
For the final cuts, definitely; it's easier to spot a dozen guys out of 89 wasting space, but cutting nearly half the current roster is more "whom would we miss?"


QB - Peyton Manning, Brock Osweiler, Zac Dysert
RB - Montee Ball, Ronnie Hillman, C.J. Anderson, Jawan Thompson
TE - Julius Thomas, Virgil Green, Jacob Tamme
WR - DeMaryius Thomas, Wes Welker, Emmanuel Sanders, Cody Latimer, Andre Caldwell, Jordan Norwood
OT - Ryan Clady, Chris Clark, Winston Justice
OG - Louis Vasquez, Orlando Franklin, Vinton Painter, Ben Garland
OC - Manny Ramirez, Will Montgomery

DL - Terrance Knighton, Kevin Vickerson, Sylvester Williams, Derek Wolfe, Malik Jackson, Marvin Austin
Rush End - Von Miller, DeMarcus Ware, Quanterus Smith, Lerentee McCray
LB - Nate Irving, Danny Trevathan, Brandon Marshall, Steven Johnson, Lamin Barrow
CB - Aqib Talib, Chris Harris, Bradley Roby, Kayvon Webster, Omar Bolden, Tony Carter
S - T.J. Ward, Rahim Moore, Duke Ihenacho, Quinton Carter, David Bruton

K - Matt Prater
P - Britton Colquitt
LS - Aaron Brewer
Except (if I counted right) it has 54 players. :tongue: Only thing I'd change is PSing Dysert, Painter and Garland to keep Schofield and Unrein.

That last part feels weird since I've dogged on Unrein nonstop ever since he joined the team—but that's because I think he's DECENT against both run and pass, but not GOOD enough against either to START. He's not awful at anything though, and has the smarts to consistently get to the ball quickly, which is good enough for a #4 DT; better than keeping TWO guys because both only do ONE thing well. I'd PS Justice or Schofield, but think the latter more likely to get snapped up for someones 53.

So pretty much your list plus Schofield and Unrein, with the PS for Painter, Garland, Paradis, Dysert, Wilson, Fowler, Bibbs and Anunike... if I did my math right this time....

By the way, in another thread, Davii cited Alfred Willams as a source saying the PS is 10 guys now (which would be good news for me, since I've only got ONE defensive player there; problem is, most defensive backups I want either need to be active due to current injuries or have too much experience for the PS.)

tomjonesrocks
08-19-2014, 07:30 AM
Would like to see a bit more from Juwan Thompson, he's shown more promise than Bibbs, Clay, and Williams.

I'd have liked to see more of Bibbs. After Thompson did what he did in the first preseason game though it seemed he was destined for the PS.

GEM
08-19-2014, 08:39 AM
Try reading what I wrote this time, not what you think I wrote.

I read exactly what you wrote over and over again. 4th stringers usually either don't make the team or don't jump up the depth chart. Well no shit, Sherlock. ******* football Einstein right here. Doesn't mean it can't happen. And doesn't mean people can't WANT to see a player run with the 1's just to see what he has.

BroncoWave
08-19-2014, 08:45 AM
I read exactly what you wrote over and over again. 4th stringers usually either don't make the team or don't jump up the depth chart. Well no shit, Sherlock. ******* football Einstein right here. Doesn't mean it can't happen. And doesn't mean people can't WANT to see a player run with the 1's just to see what he has.

He didn't say it can't happen. And he didn't say you can't want to see him with the 1s.

GEM
08-19-2014, 08:53 AM
Spanning two threads, anytime anyone says they want to see what he can do with the one's, between you and Mo, one has to come in with the 4's often don't make the team and don't deserve to run with the 1's. Not quite sure why people can't post that without being reminded (as if we're so stupid, we didn't already know that). Just saying you want to see what the kid has doesn't mean it's going to happen. I'm just not sure why anyone needs to be told that, it's a pretty obvious point. Most of the time, no it doesn't happen, doesn't mean it's impossible. People are just excited about a player, especially since the depth at RB is one of our weaker spots on the team. Then you add in that Hillman is there based on draft spot instead of ability and it adds to the fire.


Bottom line, we already know it's unusual and highly unlikely. We're not being told something we didn't already know.

CoachChaz
08-19-2014, 08:59 AM
I read exactly what you wrote over and over again. 4th stringers usually either don't make the team or don't jump up the depth chart. Well no shit, Sherlock. ******* football Einstein right here. Doesn't mean it can't happen. And doesn't mean people can't WANT to see a player run with the 1's just to see what he has.

I think the problem is what if that 4 gets 5 plays with the starters and has 4 good plays? Is that enough to decide he's worthy? What if he has 4 bad plays? Is that enough to decide he sucks? And if you give him regular reps, then what happens with the incumbent starters that are now sitting down?

I think you can see the argument for letting regulars get their regular reps, but 4's have to earn it in camp. If they arent getting game reps, there is probably a reason for it.

Just my opinion.

GEM
08-19-2014, 10:02 AM
Also makes it difficult when one of those starters is only there because of his draft spot. It would just be nice if that wasn't held in such high regard.

Tough spot to be in.

MOtorboat
08-19-2014, 10:08 AM
I read exactly what you wrote over and over again. 4th stringers usually either don't make the team or don't jump up the depth chart. Well no shit, Sherlock. ******* football Einstein right here. Doesn't mean it can't happen. And doesn't mean people can't WANT to see a player run with the 1's just to see what he has.

Fine, you win, I hate him and his stupid face.


I think you're the first person to mention that he looked like TD.

He did. Hit those holes perfectly.


Seriously, though, Thompson's up the gut cutback was the best run I've seen from a Broncos back in maybe four years. Albeit against guys who won't be playing in the league next month.


For me it's easier to look at who will be on the team


RB - Montee Ball, Ronnie Hillman, C.J. Anderson, Jawan Thompson

GEM
08-19-2014, 10:51 AM
Holy shit, really...

:rolleyes:

MOtorboat
08-19-2014, 11:06 AM
Holy shit, really...

:rolleyes:

So, are you done throwing a fit about me after you realized I think he's going to make the team? Or was that not enough? Do I have to have him starting ahead of Ball to satisfy my role as a fan? Just tell me what I need to do here.

GEM
08-19-2014, 12:01 PM
Are you done throwing in a post about 4th stringers not making it hardly ever at all whenever anyone posts that they are excited about a player? I wasn't the only one that found it idiotic to keep pointing it out as if we all didn't know that, but were excited anyways? Go back and read this thread and the other thread about him and maybe you'll see that it was you who was being ridiculous. Pointed out by numerous posters.

You're not allowed to be excited because hardly ever does a 4th stringer make the team. :rolleyes:

You could just **** about it and let others share some excitement about a player instead of downing the parade with something we all already ******* know. Do you think it makes you a football genius to point out that a 4th stringer might not make the team and even if he does he'll be buried on the depth chart. Thanks Capt. Obvious.

TXBRONC
08-19-2014, 12:11 PM
Are you done throwing in a post about 4th stringers not making it hardly ever at all whenever anyone posts that they are excited about a player? I wasn't the only one that found it idiotic to keep pointing it out as if we all didn't know that, but were excited anyways? Go back and read this thread and the other thread about him and maybe you'll see that it was you who was being ridiculous. Pointed out by numerous posters.

You're not allowed to be excited because hardly ever does a 4th stringer make the team. :rolleyes:

You could just **** about it and let others share some excitement about a player instead of downing the parade with something we all already ******* know. Do you think it makes you a football genius to point out that a 4th stringer might not make the team and even if he does he'll be buried on the depth chart. Thanks Capt. Obvious.

A similar thing happened with Robert Ayers last year except the roles were reversed.

BroncoWave
08-19-2014, 12:50 PM
I think you're overreacting a bit here gem. Mo and I are just giving our opinions on the matter. No one is saying you aren't allowed to be excited about the guy or want him to get reps with the ones.

MOtorboat
08-19-2014, 01:34 PM
Are you done throwing in a post about 4th stringers not making it hardly ever at all whenever anyone posts that they are excited about a player? I wasn't the only one that found it idiotic to keep pointing it out as if we all didn't know that, but were excited anyways? Go back and read this thread and the other thread about him and maybe you'll see that it was you who was being ridiculous. Pointed out by numerous posters.

You're not allowed to be excited because hardly ever does a 4th stringer make the team. :rolleyes:

You could just **** about it and let others share some excitement about a player instead of downing the parade with something we all already ******* know. Do you think it makes you a football genius to point out that a 4th stringer might not make the team and even if he does he'll be buried on the depth chart. Thanks Capt. Obvious.

I don't even know what you're talking about at this point. I never said anyone couldn't root for him, or shouldn't root for him. Yes, I pointed out it was difficult for a UDFA to make the team. Yes, I said it was tough for a fourth string player to make the team. But never did I say any of that other shit you're accusing me of. None of it. I didn't even imply it. Am I claiming to be a football genius because I pointed out something elementary? You're going to have to point to where I said that too.

GEM
08-19-2014, 01:54 PM
I don't even know what you're talking about at this point. I never said anyone couldn't root for him, or shouldn't root for him. Yes, I pointed out it was difficult for a UDFA to make the team. Yes, I said it was tough for a fourth string player to make the team. But never did I say any of that other shit you're accusing me of. None of it. I didn't even imply it. Am I claiming to be a football genius because I pointed out something elementary? You're going to have to point to where I said that too.

It's been pointed out by myself, Joe & Dog. If you can't figure it out, I'm not sure what to tell you.

Each time we post something about being excited about Juwan, you chime in with the 4th stringer shit. That's what it gets down to. WE ALREADY KNOW, we're excited anyways. No reason to point it out every time we post something about being excited about it.

Capisce?

MOtorboat
08-19-2014, 02:47 PM
It's been pointed out by myself, Joe & Dog. If you can't figure it out, I'm not sure what to tell you.

Each time we post something about being excited about Juwan, you chime in with the 4th stringer shit. That's what it gets down to. WE ALREADY KNOW, we're excited anyways. No reason to point it out every time we post something about being excited about it.

Capisce?

Ok, so we have two people accusing me of saying things I haven't said, or even implied. But since we both think Thompson should make the team. I thought that would suffice, but I guess not.

One of those people let me know he didn't mean to direct it at me, btw. I'm going to go apologize to him.

GEM
08-19-2014, 03:05 PM
Ok, so we have two people accusing me of saying things I haven't said, or even implied. But since we both think Thompson should make the team. I thought that would suffice, but I guess not.

One of those people let me know he didn't mean to direct it at me, btw. I'm going to go apologize to him.

YOu didn't say that 4th stringers often don't make teams and if they do they don't move up the depth chart?

That's all this boils down to. You said it every freaking time someone posted anything being excited about it.

FFS this back and forth is utterly ******* retarded. That is THE ONLY THING I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS ENTIRE ******* TIME!!

GEM
08-19-2014, 03:10 PM
One called you a debbie downer and the other called you a jackass. Which one wasn't directed at you? :rolleyes:

CrazyHorse
08-19-2014, 03:17 PM
:focus:

GEM
08-19-2014, 03:21 PM
Good plan.

Which would be a bigger surprise cut....Duke or Vickerson?

CoachChaz
08-19-2014, 03:24 PM
Good plan.

Which would be a bigger surprise cut....Duke or Vickerson?

Neither

BroncoWave
08-19-2014, 03:33 PM
Vickerson would probably be a bigger surprise, but I wouldn't be shocked by either.

TXBRONC
08-19-2014, 07:23 PM
Good plan.

Which would be a bigger surprise cut....Duke or Vickerson?

Vickerson.

Simple Jaded
08-19-2014, 11:12 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000380069/article/nfl-expands-practice-squads-to-10-players

10 players on practice squad now.

Simple Jaded
08-19-2014, 11:31 PM
Even when it completely mystifies me; half the fanbase screamed at Moreno for 4 straight seasons (several plagued by injuries) because he didn't deliver what a 1st round back "should"—but when he finally DID, we voided our club option for a 5th year, then let him walk because we wouldn't pay him. Near as I can tell, we're supposed to draft a 5th round starting RB who produces like Jim Thorpe FOR THE SAME SALARY. Good luck, especially if late/undrafted RBs aren't allowed 1st team blockers. There's a reason Vinston Painter'd be safe on the PS.

They voided the club option in 2013, before the draft and when Moreno still had one foot in the dog house, though not that it makes much difference. If the Broncos wanted him he'd still be here, it cost too much for a RB that ordinary on a team this loaded with legitimate contract issues on the horizon.

The 49ers tried to sign Painter off the Ps in December, btw.

Also, aside from a game here and there Moreno never produced like a 12th overall pick.

CrazyHorse
08-19-2014, 11:41 PM
Duke, he's younger, we don't have depth at safety, and he's not coming back from a dislocated hip.

Dapper Dan
08-19-2014, 11:42 PM
Duke, he's younger, we don't have depth at safety, and he's not coming back from a dislocated hip.

According to our roster, I think we are okay at safety. We have like 6 right now.

Simple Jaded
08-19-2014, 11:43 PM
For me it's easier to look at who will be on the team than which players to cut:

QB - Peyton Manning, Brock Osweiler, Zac Dysert
RB - Montee Ball, Ronnie Hillman, C.J. Anderson, Jawan Thompson
TE - Julius Thomas, Virgil Green, Jacob Tamme
WR - DeMaryius Thomas, Wes Welker, Emmanuel Sanders, Cody Latimer, Andre Caldwell, Jordan Norwood
OT - Ryan Clady, Chris Clark, Winston Justice
OG - Louis Vasquez, Orlando Franklin, Vinton Painter, Ben Garland
OC - Manny Ramirez, Will Montgomery

DL - Terrance Knighton, Kevin Vickerson, Sylvester Williams, Derek Wolfe, Malik Jackson, Marvin Austin
Rush End - Von Miller, DeMarcus Ware, Quanterus Smith, Lerentee McCray
LB - Nate Irving, Danny Trevathan, Brandon Marshall, Steven Johnson, Lamin Barrow
CB - Aqib Talib, Chris Harris, Bradley Roby, Kayvon Webster, Omar Bolden, Tony Carter
S - T.J. Ward, Rahim Moore, Duke Ihenacho, Quinton Carter, David Bruton

K - Matt Prater
P - Britton Colquitt
LS - Aaron Brewer

This, except I'd predict Schoefield over Garland and Unrein over Ihenacho...maybe.

Simple Jaded
08-19-2014, 11:46 PM
According to our roster, I think we are okay at safety. We have like 6 right now.

Does this Charles Mitchell or John Boyett have PS eligibility?

CrazyHorse
08-19-2014, 11:47 PM
According to our roster, I think we are okay at safety. We have like 6 right now.

Ward, Moore, Q. Carter, Bruton, and ????

Simple Jaded
08-19-2014, 11:52 PM
Ward, Moore, Q. Carter, Bruton, and ????

And Bolden is sort of a flex, maybe.

Simple Jaded
08-19-2014, 11:54 PM
Shit, with Moore and Q. Carter's injury history they almost have to keep 5 S's, I hate that.

Joel
08-20-2014, 01:39 AM
Which would be a bigger surprise cut....Duke or Vickerson?
We've got more depth at safety, especially since Bruton's a ST stud and Bolden was drafted as a safety. The only guy behind Vickerson I expect to make the team is Unrein, and Vickersons injury showed how important it is to have good DT depth. On the other hand, we're currently over the cap and Ihenacho makes <½ what Vickerson does, so neither would be a big surprise.

Joel
08-20-2014, 02:01 AM
They voided the club option in 2013, before the draft and when Moreno still had one foot in the dog house, though not that it makes much difference. If the Broncos wanted him he'd still be here, it cost too much for a RB that ordinary on a team this loaded with legitimate contract issues on the horizon.
I just don't see the logic in voiding what was always an option anyway: If he plays all of 2013 and DOESN'T produce like he did, we can still cut him loose with no penalty, so voiding our option at the start of the year changes nothing unless he has a 2013 like he DID have and we find ourselves unable to resign him for $1 million (which, IIRC, was what the option would've cost.)


The 49ers tried to sign Painter off the Ps in December, btw.
Slightly different scenario though, because we were both headed into a deep playoff run after a full seasons worth of attrition. It's a calculated risk though, as with most PS guys, but Painter might be a little less risky than a rookie 3rd round pick. If Painter doesn't go there, someone ELSE must, plus we'll have to cut someone else from the 53 to make room for Painter.


Also, aside from a game here and there Moreno never produced like a 12th overall pick.
True, but much of that was injuries, and I'm not saying we should pay him like a 12th overall pick, only that a team where Hillman's #2 on the depth chart can't spare Morenos production.

The bottom line is Manning can't do it alone any more than Elway could; going all the way requires a running game good enough defenses can't sell out on the pass, and a big part of that is a RB who can catch and pass block well enough our personell doesn't reveal our playcalls. Moreno's not great anything, but he's good at everything. Oh, well; it's a moot point now.

Dapper Dan
08-20-2014, 02:32 AM
Ward, Moore, Q. Carter, Bruton, and ????

Boyett and Bolden. Bolden is listed as a safety. That's kinda why I lumped all of my DBs together.

Joel
08-20-2014, 03:21 AM
Boyett and Bolden. Bolden is listed as a safety. That's kinda why I lumped all of my DBs together.
Bolden's listed as a #3 CB, but we drafted him as a safety and I believe (could be wrong) he remained one his whole rookie year before conversion to CB. He's also listed as our second KR, so I'm pretty confident he'll make the final 53; he and Bruton are great examples of how versatility helps guys make rosters even when way down the depth chart at their primary spot.

I'd rather have Ihenacho than Boyett as my 6th (or 5½th) safety though, if we keep that many. Plus (to answere Jadeds question,) Boyett and and Charles Mitchell should both have PS eligibiltiy left; Ihenacho's in his third year and started all but 2 games last season, so we couldn't PS him even if we wanted.

Dapper Dan
08-20-2014, 03:27 AM
Bolden's listed as a #3 CB, but we drafted him as a safety and I believe (could be wrong) he remained one his whole rookie year before conversion to CB. He's also listed as our second KR, so I'm pretty confident he'll make the final 53; he and Bruton are great examples of how versatility helps guys make rosters even when way down the depth chart at their primary spot.

I'd rather have Ihenacho than Boyett as my 6th (or 5½th) safety though, if we keep that many. Plus (to answere Jadeds question,) Boyett and and Charles Mitchell should both have PS eligibiltiy left; Ihenacho's in his third year and started all but 2 games last season, so we couldn't PS him even if we wanted.

Hmm. That is correct. Safety on the roster and Corner on the depth chart.

Joel
08-20-2014, 04:05 AM
Hmm. That is correct. Safety on the roster and Corner on the depth chart.
Well, he can theoretically play both well enough for depth, and between that and being listed as our other KR, he'll make the final 53 as SOMETHING, especially since we can't PS him. So Ward, Moore, Bruton, Carter, Bolden and ?. I could see the answer being "no one," but the fact we can PS Boyett (and Mitchell) but not Ihenacho may be bad news for Duke.

If I had to pick one for the final 53 though, I'd take Ihenacho over either of the other two.

Simple Jaded
08-20-2014, 10:48 PM
Well, he can theoretically play both well enough for depth, and between that and being listed as our other KR, he'll make the final 53 as SOMETHING, especially since we can't PS him. So Byrd, Moore, Bruton, Carter, Bolden and ?. I could see the answer being "no one," but the fact we can PS Boyett (and Mitchell) but not Ihenacho may be bad news for Duke.

If I had to pick one for the final 53 though, I'd take Ihenacho over either of the other two.

You (I) wish they signed Byrd, I think you meant Ward.

Joel
08-21-2014, 05:25 AM
You (I) wish they signed Byrd, I think you meant Ward.
Right you are. It's only two letters difference though; close enough. :tongue:

Jsteve01
08-22-2014, 08:47 AM
I think another interesting conversation is projecting the practices squad. Bibbs, who I'm a big fan of, provides more speed than Thompson or Anderson and is a better pure runner than either. His big deficiency is in pass pro and we all realize that is part of job description. The thing that has stood out to me is that although Thompson is know as the special teams stud. Bibbs has been an absolute animal out there. Think Elway remembers TD in Tokyo?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_if_zC44WlI

Joel
08-22-2014, 12:31 PM
I can only go by two preseason games, but Bibbs hasn't looked like a better pure runner than Thompson to me. He dances more and runs less, without bowling guys over to keep going. He also doesn't have Thompsons benefit of playing under Mannings old coach to prepare him for NFL pass protection, receiving and playbooks. I'm sure Elway remembers Tokyo in '95 as well as anyone, and many of us hoped playing SF the second game of this preseason would go like playing them the second game of THAT preseason—but Thompsons STs resume made him more likely to do it.

Cugel
08-23-2014, 12:06 PM
Vickerson would probably be a bigger surprise, but I wouldn't be shocked by either.

I would be shocked. Vickerson could just as well be put on IR as waived. He hasn't performed well, but that could be just due to injury. If healthy he should provide quality depth. On the other hand, sometimes DTs just get old. One day they can't do it anymore. Didn't Shanny once cut Michael Dean Perry during the middle of the season?

Joel
08-23-2014, 10:57 PM
Vickerson's looked OK against Houston, getting some relief work in the first half before shifting to the "starting" spot in the second. Carter, on the other hand, has NOT looked good in the second half; if I had to pick one (bearing in mind that 1) it's not my call and 2) DTs can't play DB, nor vice versa) I'd take Vickerson. We're talking depth, and there's just a lot more of it at DB.

I can't see Unrein or Fua beating a healthy Vickerson for the final DT spot, but there are 4 guys ahead of Carter on the CB depth chart; if Ward, Moore and Carter are our primary safeties and Bolden and Bruton stick on STs play, Carter would be fighting Ihenacho for the 10th DB spot. I said I wanted to keep one of them, but with Bolden and Bruton both looking pretty solid... 10 DBs? That's, like, 20% of our whole roster; I think a 5th or maybe even 6th DT would come in handy far more often than a 10th DB.

Simple Jaded
08-23-2014, 11:13 PM
Can't cut Vickerson, at worst stash him on PUP to see how the season plays out.

Joel
08-23-2014, 11:55 PM
Can't cut Vickerson, at worst stash him on PUP to see how the season plays out.
I like that plan in principle, but don't know enough of the mechanics to be sure I'd like it in practice. I presume PUP players don't count against the 53 (and thus not the cap?) and other teams can't sign them since they can't play, but there's gotta be a downside or every team would have 100 guys on the PUP list with hangnails until one of their 53 had a REAL injury.

Simple Jaded
08-24-2014, 12:07 AM
I like that plan in principle, but don't know enough of the mechanics to be sure I'd like it in practice. I presume PUP players don't count against the 53 (and thus not the cap?) and other teams can't sign them since they can't play, but there's gotta be a downside or every team would have 100 guys on the PUP list with hangnails until one of their 53 had a REAL injury.

They'd have to put Vick on PUP after final 53, that way he'd be available to them after 6 (?) games, but not before. The other downside is exposing a player you wanna keep to waivers. Vickerson is a case that the PUP was made for, a valuable player that just isn't ready to go.

But it saves the IR-Return designation for later.

Joel
08-24-2014, 12:38 AM
They'd have to put Vick on PUP after final 53, that way he'd be available to them after 6 (?) games, but not before.
Could you elaborate on that? If it's after the final 53, wouldn't that mean as PART of the final 53? More to the point, if that's the case, what's the advantage of putting a guy on PUP rather than just keeping him on the bench without playing him before he's healthy?


The other downside is exposing a player you wanna keep to waivers. Vickerson is a case that the PUP was made for, a valuable player that just isn't ready to go.

But it saves the IR-Return designation for later.
It's ironic we could end up using the IR-Return on Big Vick this year that we COULDN'T use on him LAST year because of Walton (what a waste of a spot THAT was; designated to release. :rolleyes:)

That's also something of a cautionary tale, IMHO, even though Vickerson couldn't have returned last year even if we'd had the spot.

Joel
08-24-2014, 12:40 AM
Also, I seem to have forgotten GEMs original question: It was Vickerson vs. Ihenacho, not Tony Carter. I suspect much the same logic applies in either case though.

Simple Jaded
08-24-2014, 01:05 AM
The PUP rules are the player has to be on opening day roster to be available in 6 weeks (I think it's 6 weeks), so to do so the Broncos would have to cut a player they would otherwise like to keep, let's just say the 52nd or 53rd player, and then put Vick on PUP and bring the player they want back (assuming they have a player they wanna bring back). This exposes that player to waivers.

Also, they used last seasons IR-Return designation on Rahim Moore, Iirc Walton was a PUP that they ended up activating and releasing.

Edit, the PUP is a list, just like IR, it doesn't count against the 53. The advantage is keeping Vicks services for a stretch run when the rest of the DL is beat up or injured, while also saving a roster spot for someone who can contribute.

Joel
08-24-2014, 01:32 AM
The PUP rules are the player has to be on opening day roster to be available in 6 weeks (I think it's 6 weeks), so to do so the Broncos would have to cut a player they would otherwise like to keep, let's just say the 52nd or 53rd player, and then put Vick on PUP and bring the player they want back (assuming they have a player they wanna bring back). This exposes that player to waivers.
Ah, I see what you meant about the waiver risk now; thanks for clarifying.


Also, they used last seasons IR-Return designation on Rahim Moore, Iirc Walton was a PUP that they ended up activating and releasing.
Right again; my bad for confusing the IR-Return and PUP lists.


Edit, the PUP is a list, just like IR, it doesn't count against the 53. The advantage is keeping Vicks services for a stretch run when the rest of the DL is beat up or injured, while also saving a roster spot for someone who can contribute.
That makes sense. In terms of Ihenacho being that last guy who just missed the cut, it IS a passers league, so I can't see 31 other teams "passing" on him if we leave him briefly unguarded.