Pats Lose Pars Lose!!!! Broncos #1 seed

[Army Bronco]

Broncos #1seed

[pulse]

Hold your horses, there, hasty. We still got to win out.

[olathebroncofan]

My 9 year old went nuts and its more shedding a tear or two!

[Joel]

Yea, Miami (barely) did our job for us; wonder if they'll be kind enough to do that all through the playoffs. Because that worked out so well when Pitt knocked Indy out for us in '05.

[Army Bronco]

Hold your horses, there, hasty. We still got to win out.errrrr...for now then! I'm just happy Pats lost period. Even if we had nothing to gain. I just hate them " in a cart man voice" so very very much!

[atwater27]

My 9 year old and I are running around the house screaming warrior screams.

[Army Bronco]

Yea, Miami (barely) did our job for us; wonder if they'll be kind enough to do that all through the playoffs. Because that worked out so well when Pitt knocked Indy out for us in '05.Alright there negative Nancy. Take a prozac and enjoy the Pats losing with us haters!

[Shazam!]

Bwahaha!

[BroncoWave]

Thank you Miami for the early Christmas gift! If we lose to Houston or Oakland, though, we absolutely don't deserve the 1 seed. Hopefully we take advantage of this generous gift.

[atwater27]

Generous indeed!

[chazoe60]

My 9 year old and I are running around the house screaming warrior screams.
So were my 9 year old and me. We were standing in front of theTV holding hands for the last 5 or so plays of that game.

[Simple Jaded]

Yea, Miami (barely) did our job for us; wonder if they'll be kind enough to do that all through the playoffs. Because that worked out so well when Pitt knocked Indy out for us in '05.

Seriously, what is up your ass?

[WTE]

I'm happy for all of you except Joel.

[BroncoJoe]

Yea, Miami (barely) did our job for us; wonder if they'll be kind enough to do that all through the playoffs. Because that worked out so well when Pitt knocked Indy out for us in '05.

I may get a CYP but....

[chazoe60]

Yea, Miami (barely) did our job for us; wonder if they'll be kind enough to do that all through the playoffs. Because that worked out so well when Pitt knocked Indy out for us in '05.
Debbie downer much?

[MOtorboat]

Yea, Miami (barely) did our job for us; wonder if they'll be kind enough to do that all through the playoffs. Because that worked out so well when Pitt knocked Indy out for us in '05.

No WAY New England loses any games, right? Lol.

Stick your ******* narrative where the sun don't shine.

[BroncoWave]

Even better news? This drops the Pats to the 3 seed. They will have to go to Cincy in round 2 if the Bengals win out.

[BroncoWave]

Also, this game just proves that Tom Brady can't win in the warm.

[Simple Jaded]

James Brown needs to lay off the Just For Men, he's starting to look like a black Charley Casserly and Ernie Accorsi.

[chazoe60]

Also, this game just proves that Tom Brady can't win in the warm.

God dammit you little homo, that was funny.

[pulse]

Even better news? This drops the Pats to the 3 seed. They will have to go to Cincy in round 2 if the Bengals win out.

The Bengals could just as easily slip up against the Steelers. The most important thing is forcing any hot team in the playoffs to go through Denver. Denver just needs to get its sh!t together and win out. We may very well get New England in the AFCCG afterall.

[Bronco4ever]

Debbie downer much?

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[Simple Jaded]

Yea, Miami (barely) did our job for us; wonder if they'll be kind enough to do that all through the playoffs. Because that worked out so well when Pitt knocked Indy out for us in '05.

Here's what I think, if I may psychoanalyze you again, for whatever reason you've already convinced yourself that Denver will lose in the PO's and you're currently planting the seeds for more of your "I told you so, I'm smarter than the rest of you" bullshit. Am I close?

[atwater27]

So were my 9 year old and me. We were standing in front of theTV holding hands for the last 5 or so plays of that game.

LMAO.. We were holding hands too. And making dolphin noises.

[slim]

Even better news? This drops the Pats to the 3 seed. They will have to go to Cincy in round 2 if the Bengals win out.

But this can't happen. King said so like 4 weeks ago.

[Northman]

Lol, yea i wouldnt celebrate just yet. We lost to a 6-7 team this week.

[Krugan]

I love seeing the Pats lose, but I guess im a debbie downer as well.

I dont get joy out of back dooring home field.

[Army Bronco]

Lol, yea i wouldnt celebrate just yet. We lost to a 6-7 team this week.It was a Div rival. Those games are usually tougher. Except for the Raiders, they suck. SD had lost to Houston earlier in the year. Texans are horrible.

[slim]

I love seeing the Pats lose, but I guess im a debbie downer as well.

I dont get joy out of back dooring home field.

I don't get the idea of "back dooring" (although I know Tom Brady does). Anywho, all the games count, so unless you go 16-0 then I guess all things were "back doored".

[BroncoWave]

Lol, yea i wouldnt celebrate just yet. We lost to a 6-7 team this week.

Ok Joel.

[Northman]

Ok Joel.

There's the troll i know and love. How goes things Wave?

[DenBronx]

I love seeing the Pats lose, but I guess im a debbie downer as well.

I dont get joy out of back dooring home field.


If we win our next two and go 13-3 is that back dooring into the playoffs?

[BroncoWave]

There's the troll i know and love. How goes things Wave?

:lol: It's going well north. How about you?

[Northman]

Doing quite well. Watching some Redzone to close out the day.

[chazoe60]

I love seeing the Pats lose, but I guess im a debbie downer as well.

I dont get joy out of back dooring home field.
What the **** are you talking about?

[Krugan]

I don't get the idea of "back dooring" (although I know Tom Brady does). Anywho, all the games count, so unless you go 16-0 then I guess all things were "back doored".

Back dooring, IE needing someone else to LOSE to get the position you want vs winning your games to get there.

Whatever though, a PAts loss is always a good thing, im just not overly excited about the way the team is holding onto first.

[Krugan]

What the **** are you talking about?

Your mom

[chazoe60]

Your mom

My mom's dead and she's still smarter than you.

[Northman]

Back dooring, IE needing someone else to LOSE to get the position you want vs winning your games to get there.

Whatever though, a PAts loss is always a good thing, im just not overly excited about the way the team is holding onto first.

I kind of get what your saying, its kind of like what happened in 2010 with Tebow but so as long as we make the postseason anything can happen. If the Pats dont want to take care of their business than we need to take advantage of it.

[Krugan]

My mom's dead and she's still smarter than you.

Well that explains alot.

[chazoe60]

Back dooring, IE needing someone else to LOSE to get the position you want vs winning your games to get there.

Whatever though, a PAts loss is always a good thing, im just not overly excited about the way the team is holding onto first.
So again, the only time a team doesn't back into the #1 seed is if they go 16-0?

[VonDoom]

Obviously, I just want us to win and not worry about what other teams are doing. That being said, I hope this gives everyone some perspective. Every team is flawed, any team is beatable and a loss is not the end of the world. We still have a pretty good team, in case you were wondering. Regardless of their playoff seed.

[chazoe60]

Well that explains alot.
That doesn't make any sense.

[Krugan]

I kind of get what your saying, its kind of like what happened in 2010 with Tebow but so as long as we make the postseason anything can happen. If the Pats dont want to take care of their business than we need to take advantage of it.

Pretty much, getting there however is fine, I just dont feel overly good about it, with the circumstances, leading to this held onto first.

Its still first, but its not a hooray moment for me.

[Krugan]

That doesn't make any sense.

Im not going to continue the Mom discussion, it was poor timing and lacked execution.

But What the **** are you talking about, was not needed as well.

[aberdien]

I personally don't give a damn how we get homefield so long as it happens.

[Poet]

But this can't happen. King said so like 4 weeks ago.

We lose tonight, Slim. It will be bitter.

[Krugan]

So again, the only time a team doesn't back into the #1 seed is if they go 16-0?

No, not at all what I said.

[Simple Jaded]

The Broncos hold their own destiny, have done so for all but three days this season, that's not backing into the PO's.

[Army Bronco]

The Broncos hold their own destiny, have done so for all but three days this season, that's not backing into the PO's.True that, they win the next two games and its jot backing in. They just regained control.

[Northman]

True that, they win the next two games and its jot backing in. They just regained control.

Well, they play the horrible Houston Texans and Faid so i hope they can win those last 2 games. Just wish they could of made a better statement against the Chargers.

[chazoe60]

We were 13-3 last season and EARNED the #1 seed, I wonder how many people were saying we backed in then?

Unless you go 16-0 you obviously rely on other teams to lose in order to obtain the #1 seed. Give me a break.

[Simple Jaded]

True that, they win the next two games and its jot backing in. They just regained control.

Yep, to take the theory to the extreme; if NE and Den played each other in week 1 and Den lost but still got home field anyway by virtue of win/loss record.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Generous indeed!

Same generous gift we handed NE, when we lost to SD.

[chazoe60]

Same generous gift we handed NE, when we lost to SD.
Well, NO just hates to back into something (except Brady, he loves it) so they lost on purpose. :rolleyes:

[atwater27]

San Diego is a pretty good team right now.

[Poet]

San Diego is a pretty good team right now.

Rivers is having a studly year.

[slim]

We lose tonight, Slim. It will be bitter.

I hope you guys punch that rapist in the mouth. I hate that guy.

[wayninja]

Lol, yea i wouldnt celebrate just yet. We lost to a 6-7 team this week.

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[slim]

We were 13-3 last season and EARNED the #1 seed, I wonder how many people were saying we backed in then?

Unless you go 16-0 you obviously rely on other teams to lose in order to obtain the #1 seed. Give me a break.

It's not that complicated. I mean, if I can figure it out, anyone can.

[chazoe60]

It's not that complicated. I mean, if I can figure it out, anyone can.
When you think about it, every time we win we're relying on the team we're playing against to lose. I'm getting so sick of backing into all these wins.

[Poet]

When you think about it, every time we win we're relying on the team we're playing against to lose. I'm getting so sick of backing into all these wins.

You're thinking like a lawyer!

[Dzone]

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[Simple Jaded]

So if Denver goes to the AFCCG and NE doesn't, does that mean Denver would be backing into the SB?

[BroncoWave]

Doing quite well. Watching some Redzone to close out the day.

Same here! It's always a great day when the Patsies lose.

[Northman]

So if Denver goes to the AFCCG and NE doesn't, does that mean Denver would be backing into the SB?

Only if they get there.

[Simple Jaded]

Only if they get there.



But the Broncos haven't earned home field yet either and it's already backdooring.

[Northman]

But the Broncos haven't earned home field yet either and it's already backdooring.

THey are getting a good start on backdooring then.

[BroncoWave]

Saying a 13-3 team "backdoored" the 1 seed might be the dumbest thing I have ever read.

[Northman]

Saying a 13-3 team "backdoored" the 1 seed might be the dumbest thing I have ever read.

Not sure, there is a pretty long list of dumb shit said on this forum any given week. lol

[wayninja]

The broncos have clinched a playoff spot. We aren't desperate for one or need to rely on other teams losses to get to the post season.

Therefore we aren't backdooring into the playoffs, whatever that means. If we reach the superbowl, we will be undefeated in the post season this year, again, no backdooring.

This probably isn't the right website if you guys are looking for some hot backdoor action.

[BroncoWave]

Not sure, there is a pretty long list of dumb shit said on this forum any given week. lol

:lol: True. But still, saying a 13-3 team would be backdooring the 1 seed is pretty bad. The 8-8 Tebow team backdoored the division. Going 13-3 is nothing but flat out earning it.

[LawDog]

Dear Ryan Tannehill,

Thank you and have a Merry Christmas.

Sincerely,
Peyton Manning

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Every year - "just get to the playoffs" - the Broncos' 1st SB win proved that - the Broncos were a wildcard team - 3 wins on the road in the playoffs to get to the SB.

[Nomad]

We were 13-3 last season and EARNED the #1 seed, I wonder how many people were saying we backed in then?

Unless you go 16-0 you obviously rely on other teams to lose in order to obtain the #1 seed. Give me a break.

BRONCOS will get that 13-3 monkey off it's back and win it all.

[Nomad]

Not sure, there is a pretty long list of dumb shit said on this forum any given week. lol

I'm guilty when I would :drinking: too much. :lol:

[slim]

I bet Tom is getting back doored right now.

[BroncoWave]

I bet Tom is getting back doored right now.

He's probably doing the back-dooring to pump out the anger from today.

[slim]

He's probably doing the back-dooring to pump out the anger from today.

Something tells me we are both right.

[pnbronco]

Well I am so pumped. Oh course I would have liked them to win on Thurs but they didn't and I'm just so happy that the Fish gave us that great gift.

If you're going to loose a game this time of the year loose the one that allows you play again next week. Then learn your lesson and move on and don't
make those mistakes again. (12 men on the field twice and off side to give them a first down.....can't believe the team is happy they made those kind of
mistakes)

So I'm happy and I'm going to stay that way..........:D

[ShaneFalco]

:playball:

[Dzone]

I was shocked the refs didnt call PI on that 3rd down pass and give the Patriots the ball on the 1. I guess they have given NE so many gifts this year they diont want it to look too obvious.

[SR]

Alright there negative Nancy. Take a prozac and enjoy the Pats losing with us haters!

No shit. Joel can't make a post about a positive thing without putting a negative spin on it

[Army Bronco]

Alright there negative Nancy. Take a prozac and enjoy the Pats losing with us haters!

No shit. Joel can't make a post about a positive thing without putting a negative spin on itIts every time. Lol. Dude, the Pats losing makes me feel warm inside.

[Krugan]

Ok so "backdooring' was a poor choice of words.

go ahead and feel good about losing this week and getting a gift from another team to hang onto the #1 seed.

Anyway there I suppose.

I just dont see it as some great accomplishment.

Never did I claim that a 13-3 team, which we arent yet, back doored a way in, im just saying 1st via losses isnt super fantastic. Jesus....

[WTE]

My Pars lost. My Pars Lost.

I still can't believe my Pars lost.

[Joel]

Seriously, what is up your ass?
What's up my ass is the depressing plausibility of the highlight in this statement (which I notice you High-Fived:)
Thank you Miami for the early Christmas gift! If we lose to Houston or Oakland, though, we absolutely don't deserve the 1 seed. Hopefully we take advantage of this generous gift.
Does anyone think Seahawks fans are saying stuff like that? Of course they aren't—because THEY already clinched the #1 seed, practically clinched it two weeks ago beating NO, the only team that was still within even 2 games of them. They didn't blow a home game against a losing team, then sit around waiting for Carolina or someone else to take care of their business for them.

What's up my ass is that sitting around hoping 15 other teams screw up worse and more often than us is both an uninspired and uninspiring SB strategy. Even if it works to get us there it'll implode spectacularly in front of literally the whole world if we try it against the guys curbstomping their way through a much better conference.


No WAY New England loses any games, right? Lol.

Stick your ******* narrative where the sun don't shine.
Did I say there was no way NE loses ANY games? If so, I was clearly wrong and will take my lumps, but do you have a quote? I have said it was pretty unlikely, but absolute certainty? Sure you're not thinking of when I said there's no way Baltimore makes the playoffs?


Here's what I think, if I may psychoanalyze you again, for whatever reason you've already convinced yourself that Denver will lose in the PO's and you're currently planting the seeds for more of your "I told you so, I'm smarter than the rest of you" bullshit. Am I close?
I wouldn't need to plant any such seeds even if I wanted to: Our coaches and players are doing a fine job of that unaided.


Back dooring, IE needing someone else to LOSE to get the position you want vs winning your games to get there.

Whatever though, a PAts loss is always a good thing, im just not overly excited about the way the team is holding onto first.
Because we DIDN'T hold onto it: We lost it and NE GAVE it back to us. That's all well and good for the regular season, but if we lose our first (or any) playoff game there won't be any "if so-and-so beats so-and-so we're still on top." No: Lose and go home, or stay home if someone is kind enough to return homefield advantage after you blow it.


It's not that complicated. I mean, if I can figure it out, anyone can.
Careful; saying things like that around here is the cue for people to stubbornly refuse to see the obvious and accuse you of claiming genius.


When you think about it, every time we win we're relying on the team we're playing against to lose. I'm getting so sick of backing into all these wins.
No, when we win we are (or should be) relying on OUR team playing so well it doesn't MATTER how well the other guys play, because we're STILL better and prove it. That's the difference between controling ones own destiny and being at someone elses mercy. Again: Who'll beat our rivals for us in the playoffs?

We did this in '05, cheering that Indy couldn't humiliate us again because Pitt beat them AND gave us homefield at the same time. Turns out playing the guys who win a road game against the team you can't beat isn't the gift it appears to be. Listing all the OTHER TEAMS who can beat teams that beat you so you don't have to implicitly concedes you're not the best.


So if Denver goes to the AFCCG and NE doesn't, does that mean Denver would be backing into the SB?
No, because we'll still have to beat a playoff team to win the AFCCG (in fact, we'll have to beat one just to get that far.) But you've almost got it; keep chopping wood. ;)

I'm as happy as anyone when the Cheatriots remind the world they haven't won a title since caught cheating. Yet come the playoffs the only team a Miami win helps is Miami. I'm glad they did our job for us today, but NO ONE will be so generous in January, there's little evidence we'll help ourselves and a year long record of shooting ourselves in the foot. But whatever makes ya'll happy: Go, Not-US, beat Team-That-Beat-Us! We're #Somewhere-in-the-top-five-in-the-second-best-conference!

[BroncoWave]

Never did I claim that a 13-3 team, which we arent yet, back doored a way in, im just saying 1st via losses isnt super fantastic. Jesus....

Other than the 1972 Dolphins and 2007 Pats, every 1 seed in NFL history has done that due in part to other teams losing. You are allowed to be happy about NE losing.

[Army Bronco]

My Pars lost. My Pars Lost.

I still can't believe my Pars lost.Its my phone. It changes letters on me. Sucks when sending texts in a hurry.

[Army Bronco]

Will someone take the sharp objects and shoe laces from Joel?

[WTE]

Its my phone. It changes letters on me. Sucks when sending texts in a hurry.

I know! My phone does the same thing Army Dinko!

[TXBRONC]

Every year - "just get to the playoffs" - the Broncos' 1st SB win proved that - the Broncos were a wildcard team - 3 wins on the road in the playoffs to get to the SB.

Two wins on the road to get the playoffs my dear. We got to play the Jaguars in Denver on Wild Card weekend.

[tripp]

Anyone a little scared how the Chiefs have turned up the tempo by like 100 notches the past 2 weeks? Granted, against two crappy teams but... I thought we were the only team in the NFL that was supposed to score 40+ pts a game?

[wayninja]

Anyone a little scared how the Chiefs have turned up the tempo by like 100 notches the past 2 weeks? Granted, against two crappy teams but... I thought we were the only team in the NFL that was supposed to score 40+ pts a game?

Not scared at all. We own the queefs.

[Joel]

Will someone take the sharp objects and shoe laces from Joel?
Nah, I'm resigned; any postseason accomplishments are gravy because I'm not expecting much. That said, if we hold onto a bye we SHOULD be able to beat the winners of Wildcard Weekend at home (though, honestly, playing KC a third time worries me; they might finally decide to start catching passes) but it's hard to see us playing keep away well enough to reach a SB.


Anyone a little scared how the Chiefs have turned up the tempo by like 100 notches the past 2 weeks? Granted, against two crappy teams but... I thought we were the only team in the NFL that was supposed to score 40+ pts a game?
Both those defenses suck though (in fact, SD was 31st in yds/att passing AND running before our game.) I'm more worried that OUR D made SDs look good Thursday, and that Smith hit most passes in both our games: His receivers just dropped them. We can't count on that happening thrice in one year. It'll be interesting to see how they do against Indy next week, since that looks increasingly like one of the wildcard games, and I doubt whoever survives to be #6 seed can beat Cincy on the road. Then again, if Cincy wins out it could be Miami vs. NE again.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Two wins on the road to get the playoffs my dear. We got to play the Jaguars in Denver on Wild Card weekend.

OK - my point was that you don't need to be the #1 seed, with home field advantage, to win the SB

[BroncoWave]

OK - my point was that you don't need to be the #1 seed, with home field advantage, to win the SB

Yeah we all remember 1997, but that doesn't change the fact that being the 1 seed puts you in a more advantageous position than having to play on WC weekend.

[aberdien]

Anyone a little scared how the Chiefs have turned up the tempo by like 100 notches the past 2 weeks? Granted, against two crappy teams but... I thought we were the only team in the NFL that was supposed to score 40+ pts a game?
Did you see how many points they gave up to the Raiders? Our offense > theirs, so I wouldn't be too worried as long as we can stop Jamal Charles.

[Joel]

Did you see how many points they gave up to the Raiders? Our offense > theirs, so I wouldn't be too worried as long as we can stop Jamal Charles.
Yeah, that's kind of how I looked at both KC games so far, but 1) Alex Smith threw a LOT of nice passes in BOTH games that his receivers simply dropped and 2) SD just ran for 177 yds against us without anyone like Charles. Our run D (pretty much the only D we have) isn't the same without Vickerson and Wolfe, and at least one of them is done for the year.

[Simple Jaded]

OK - my point was that you don't need to be the #1 seed, with home field advantage, to win the SB

Only 8 of the last 20 #1 seeds have gone on to win SB.

[Slick]

Joel, I love you buddy, but damn man. You're starting to depress me. Most of us have the same concerns as you but lately you have been a downer. Smile, bang your hot Norwegian wife, don't talk too much shit to any rival fans over there, don't bet any money on the Broncos, enjoy the ride. We're still one of the best teams in football and have just a good a shot as anyone. No team is perfect.

Your friend,
Slick.

[PatriotsGuy]

I love posting with Dolphin fans!

[WTE]

I love posting with Dolphin fans!

Yeah, you guys are warm and sunny!

[Simple Jaded]

What's up my ass is the depressing plausibility of the highlight in this statement (which I notice you High-Fived:)
Does anyone think Seahawks fans are saying stuff like that? Of course they aren't—because THEY already clinched the #1 seed, practically clinched it two weeks ago beating NO, the only team that was still within even 2 games of them. They didn't blow a home game against a losing team, then sit around waiting for Carolina or someone else to take care of their business for them.

What's up my ass is that sitting around hoping 15 other teams screw up worse and more often than us is both an uninspired and uninspiring SB strategy. Even if it works to get us there it'll implode spectacularly in front of literally the whole world if we try it against the guys curbstomping their way through a much better conference.


Did I say there was no way NE loses ANY games? If so, I was clearly wrong and will take my lumps, but do you have a quote? I have said it was pretty unlikely, but absolute certainty? Sure you're not thinking of when I said there's no way Baltimore makes the playoffs?


I wouldn't need to plant any such seeds even if I wanted to: Our coaches and players are doing a fine job of that unaided.


Because we DIDN'T hold onto it: We lost it and NE GAVE it back to us. That's all well and good for the regular season, but if we lose our first (or any) playoff game there won't be any "if so-and-so beats so-and-so we're still on top." No: Lose and go home, or stay home if someone is kind enough to return homefield advantage after you blow it.


Careful; saying things like that around here is the cue for people to stubbornly refuse to see the obvious and accuse you of claiming genius.


No, when we win we are (or should be) relying on OUR team playing so well it doesn't MATTER how well the other guys play, because we're STILL better and prove it. That's the difference between controling ones own destiny and being at someone elses mercy. Again: Who'll beat our rivals for us in the playoffs?

We did this in '05, cheering that Indy couldn't humiliate us again because Pitt beat them AND gave us homefield at the same time. Turns out playing the guys who win a road game against the team you can't beat isn't the gift it appears to be. Listing all the OTHER TEAMS who can beat teams that beat you so you don't have to implicitly concedes you're not the best.


No, because we'll still have to beat a playoff team to win the AFCCG (in fact, we'll have to beat one just to get that far.) But you've almost got it; keep chopping wood. ;)

I'm as happy as anyone when the Cheatriots remind the world they haven't won a title since caught cheating. Yet come the playoffs the only team a Miami win helps is Miami. I'm glad they did our job for us today, but NO ONE will be so generous in January, there's little evidence we'll help ourselves and a year long record of shooting ourselves in the foot. But whatever makes ya'll happy: Go, Not-US, beat Team-That-Beat-Us! We're #Somewhere-in-the-top-five-in-the-second-best-conference!

"I told you so, I'm smarter than you".

Don't forget to bookmark this post, Nostradamus.

Btw, I high fived that post because the Phins did the Broncos a favor and I hope they take advantage of it. BTB's post wasn't dripping with Stage 5 Butthurt, let's not get this twisted with your bullshit.

[Simple Jaded]

THey are getting a good start on backdooring then.

By this definition they got started backdooring in week 9 vs the Colts.

[BroncoWave]

Only 8 of the last 20 #1 seeds have gone on to win SB.

Which is more than any other seed. Hence, the point the 1 seed gives you the best chance of winning it.

[Slick]

I love posting with Dolphin fans!


Yeah, you guys are warm and sunny!

Don't act like you guys weren't happy with the results of the San Diego/Denver game.

[FanInAZ]

Yes, Joel does tend to be negative a lot, but there are times that he's right. Denver should have never put themselves in a position to where they needed the Pats to lose to maintain the #1 seed.

[Simple Jaded]

Which is more than any other seed. Hence, the point the 1 seed gives you the best chance of winning it.

I'd much rather have the #1 seed, that's why I'm happy about today's events.

[BroncoWave]

Yes, Joel does tend to be negative a lot, but there are times that he's right. Denver should have never put themselves in a position to where they needed the Pats to lose to maintain the #1 seed.

The other teams get paid too you know? It's not some huge crime that Denver lost to a division rival who is fighting for their playoff lives. The 2 and 3 seeds in the AFC did the exact same thing this week. Shit happens. All that matters is that Denver has done enough to put themselves in the position to clinch the 1 seed with 2 weeks to go. What else could you ask of them?

[Simple Jaded]

Btw, I tend to believe that Seahawks fans would be happy about 11-3 and control of destiny.

[WTE]

Don't act like you guys weren't happy with the results of the San Diego/Denver game.

I was luke warm. Pags and I certainly didn't create 5+ threads rooting for SD!

[Slick]

I love posting with Dolphin fans!


Yeah, you guys are warm and sunny!


I was luke warm. Pags and I certainly didn't create 5+ threads rooting for SD!

Bullshit. You were happy and you know it.

There's two Patriots fans on a forum with hundreds of Broncos fans. Since you guys don't post on your own forums I won't ask how many "Thank You San Diego" threads got posted on other Patriot forums after Thursday night.

[Joel]

By this definition they got started backdooring in week 9 vs the Colts.
Pretty much; four turnovers, Clark starts a three game strip-sack streak, Ball fumbles the rallying TD. All that "KC's not a REAL unbeaten team because their schedule (which is almost identical to ours) sucks" and suddenly WE'RE the ones getting our first loss. But that's OK, because it was just the wakeup call the team needed to regain their focus and intensity so they go through the rest of their opponents like a buzzsaw—until they blow a 24-0 halftime lead against a defenseless NE team. But that was just the wakeup call they needed, until they needed one from SD.

The wakeup call they needed was as LAST YEARS #1 seed going one-and-done en route to Baltimores SB instead of theirs. If they're STILL asleep, they're probably gonna stay that way.

[Davii]

I was luke warm. Pags and I certainly didn't create 5+ threads rooting for SD!

You sure didn't.

I'm also willing to bet that no Bronco fan members here went and harassed Patriot fans on Patriot forums...

[wayninja]

I was luke warm. Pags and I certainly didn't create 5+ threads rooting for SD!

Did you forget where you are?

So yeah, the amount of joy to the Pats loss is pretty accurately proportional to the audience.

Or are you trying to say there weren't tons of thread on pats circle jerk boards hoping SD would win?

[wayninja]

Pretty much; four turnovers, Clark starts a three game strip-sack streak, Ball fumbles the rallying TD. All that "KC's not a REAL unbeaten team because their schedule (which is almost identical to ours) sucks" and suddenly WE'RE the ones getting our first loss. But that's OK, because it was just the wakeup call the team needed to regain their focus and intensity so they go through the rest of their opponents like a buzzsaw—until they blow a 24-0 halftime lead against a defenseless NE team. But that was just the wakeup call they needed, until they needed one from SD.

The wakeup call they needed was as LAST YEARS #1 seed going one-and-done en route to Baltimores SB instead of theirs. If they're STILL asleep, they're probably gonna stay that way.

You keep using this phrase 'Wake up call'. It almost makes me think you had a really bad experience at a Hilton.

[Joel]

You keep using this phrase 'Wake up call'. It almost makes me think you had a really bad experience at a Hilton.
I keep using it because of all the people who've used it to dismiss each of our losses this year. It's only viable the first time, and even that's debateable for a team that began the season by making the whole team watch the whole tape of last years playoff loss before meetings. I wonder if they're still doing that, or just using the Colts—er, Pats—no, BOLTS game instead.

[Poet]

We lose tonight, Slim. It will be bitter.

It's bitter.

[chazoe60]

This was the week of the playoff bound getting beaten by the wounded animal division rival.

We'll just all pretend this week never happened.

[Davii]

I keep using it because of all the people who've used it to dismiss each of our losses this year. It's only viable the first time, and even that's debateable for a team that began the season by making the whole team watch the whole tape of last years playoff loss before meetings. I wonder if they're still doing that, or just using the Colts—er, Pats—no, BOLTS game instead.

Did you expect the team to go 16-0 Joel?

[Timmy!]

I'm happy for all of you except Joel.

Solid post of the year candidate.

[Timmy!]

Joel whines more than a chick with a sandpaper tampon.

[Simple Jaded]

Pretty much; four turnovers, Clark starts a three game strip-sack streak, Ball fumbles the rallying TD. All that "KC's not a REAL unbeaten team because their schedule (which is almost identical to ours) sucks" and suddenly WE'RE the ones getting our first loss. But that's OK, because it was just the wakeup call the team needed to regain their focus and intensity so they go through the rest of their opponents like a buzzsaw—until they blow a 24-0 halftime lead against a defenseless NE team. But that was just the wakeup call they needed, until they needed one from SD.

The wakeup call they needed was as LAST YEARS #1 seed going one-and-done en route to Baltimores SB instead of theirs. If they're STILL asleep, they're probably gonna stay that way.
Joel I'll sell you my screen name, make an offer.

[Poet]

Joel I'll sell you my screen name, make an offer.

This is by far and away is the greatest post I've ever read. Barring all of my posts, of course.

[Simple Jaded]

This is by far and away is the greatest post I've ever read. Barring all of my posts, of course.

I've read your posts King, it's my opinion that you backed into this award.

[Poet]

I've read your posts King, it's my opinion that you backed into this award.

I backed into the award because some of y'all gay, and I'm protecting my butt-hymen.

[Davii]

I've read your posts King, it's my opinion that you backed into this award.

Saints lost again tonight, good thing for the Seahawks, the loss allowed them to back into locking up the NFC 1 seed.

[Simple Jaded]

I backed into the award because some of y'all gay, and I'm protecting my butt-hymen.

That's probably a good idea. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[Joel]

Did you expect the team to go 16-0 Joel?
No, but the sad thing is if they'd played up to their ability each week they almost certainly WOULD be undefeated now, even with all the injuries. Four turnovers cost us the first two losses, and Thursdays defensive and STs collapses were nearly as embarrassing. But, y'know, we've beaten 10 teams, and 3 actually have winning records. Of course, one is that KC team everyone says sucks because they've only beaten losers, and the 7-6 Ravens may not have a winning record after they play Detroit tomorrow, but hey, we beat the Eagles and a bunch of losers!

I didn't expect 16-0, but I'd feel more confident about the postseason if we'd beaten a good team since the 31-23 road win against Cincy at the start of November LAST year. I'd count the road drubbing of Baltimore later that year, but, y'know, they kind of got even in the playoffs. For all the same reasons I expect an early playoff exit this year.


Joel I'll sell you my screen name, make an offer.
You might have a deal if you change it to Cynical; fits both of us better. ;)

[Davii]

No, but the sad thing is if they'd played up to their ability each week they almost certainly WOULD be undefeated now, even with all the injuries. Four turnovers cost us the first two losses, and Thursdays defensive and STs collapses were nearly as embarrassing. But, y'know, we've beaten 10 teams, and 3 actually have winning records. Of course, one is that KC team everyone says sucks because they've only beaten losers, and the 7-6 Ravens may not have a winning record after they play Detroit tomorrow, but hey, we beat the Eagles and a bunch of losers!

I didn't expect 16-0, but I'd feel more confident about the postseason if we'd beaten a good team since the 31-23 road win against Cincy at the start of November LAST year. I'd count the road drubbing of Baltimore later that year, but, y'know, they kind of got even in the playoffs. For all the same reasons I expect an early playoff exit this year.


You might have a deal if you change it Cynical; fits both of us better. ;)

You play your schedule. All that matters is we win the last game we play. Relax, enjoy the ride.

[Army Bronco]

Maybe I'm too optimistic but I'm thinking that this post season they just might beat those teams that recently beat us. I'm thinking Colts and Pats. ID be worried about the Chiefs because its hard to beat a team 3 times in a season.

[Simple Jaded]

Saints lost again tonight, good thing for the Seahawks, the loss allowed them to back into locking up the NFC 1 seed.

Seattle started backing into the PO's even before the Broncos.

[Joel]

Maybe I'm too optimistic but I'm thinking that this post season they just might beat those teams that recently beat us. I'm thinking Colts and Pats. ID be worried about the Chiefs because its hard to beat a team 3 times in a season.
If I had to pick, the Colts and Pats are the very teams I'd like to host if we get the #1 and the #6 seed doesn't manage an upset. Unfortunately, it's like when we got all excited and then shocked when the Steelers beat the Colts for us in '05: All the reasons I want to play those teams are the same reasons we probably won't get to play them, and if we do, it probably means they aren't the (relatively) easy meat we hope. Catch 22.

I personally think the the most likely scenario is that we win the last two, KC stomps the Wayne-less Colts at Arrowhead next week and again two weeks later, and we host them in the divisional round. That game does scare me a bit, because Smith's been hitting his passes, even in his games against us; his receivers just dropped a lot of them and we played very well ourselves, protecting Manning and scoring on their D despite a low rushing average, while containing Charles most of the game.

After he just posted 5 rushing TDs (admittedly against a poor D) and we allowed 177 rushing yards to the team with the 31st best rushing average, I'm far less certain we can contain Charles a third time with Vickerson gone for the year and Wolfe gone indefinitely. I'll be a lot more confident in our pass rush and run stuffing if/when I see him on the field again, but don't think we can count on KCs terminal case of dropsy lasting for three games against us. Smith was 17/20 passing tonight; looks like his receivers are finally finding the ball.

Plus they'll probably have Houston back (he was out when we played there, though he played in Denver) and Fasano will probably be back from the concussion he suffered against us. I really don't want to play them again; a Colts team that only beat us by 6 at home thanks to 4 turnovers WITH Reggie Wayne, and a Pats team that only beat us at home in OT thanks to 3 turnovers WITH Rob Gronkowski, are both far more appealing. I'm not worried about Hilton, Heyward-Bey and Fleener plus Donald Brown, or Edelman, Amendola plus Vereen and Ridley.

[Joel]

You play your schedule. All that matters is we win the last game we play. Relax, enjoy the ride.
It's hard to enjoy the ride when you're pretty sure the driver's blitzed.

[Davii]

It's hard to enjoy the ride when you're pretty sure the driver's blitzed.

Then you shouldn't have gotten in the car.

[Poet]

It's hard to enjoy the ride when you're pretty sure the driver's blitzed.

A fairer analogy would be: "It's hard to enjoy the ride when you're pretty sure the driver texts while driving.

[Simple Jaded]

A fairer analogy would be "it's hard to enjoy the ride when the driver won't drive the way I want him to"

[Joel]

Then you shouldn't have gotten in the car.
I guess I'm too stupid and/or loyal to bail.


A fairer analogy would be: "It's hard to enjoy the ride when you're pretty sure the driver texts while driving.
Perhaps, though studies show no practical difference. But, yeah, it's not that they're incompetent, per se, just easily distracted and frequently unfocused. Maybe CO shouldn't have legalized it. :tongue:

[Poet]

I guess I'm too stupid and/or loyal to bail.


Perhaps, though show no practical difference. But, yeah, it's not that they're incompetent, per se, just easily distracted and frequently unfocused. Maybe CO shouldn't have legalized it. :tongue:

Did you really say that there is no practical difference between texting while driving and drinking while driving?

Come on, Joe!

[wayninja]

A fairer analogy would be: "It's hard to enjoy the ride when you're pretty sure the driver texts while driving.

A fairer analogy would be "who the **** compares a 13-3 football team, to possibly being horribly mutilated in a car accident?"

[Poet]

A fairer analogy would be "who the **** compares a 13-3 football team, to possibly being horribly mutilated in a car accident?"

No. Analogies are awesome and incredibly useful ways to prove a point.

[Joel]

Did you really say that there is no practical difference between texting while driving and drinking while driving?

Come on, Joe!
Accidentally removed too many words (you SEE what happens?! :tongue:) But I believe the research shows attentiveness and likelihood of accidents is about the same driving drunk, sleep deprived or while texting (though the numbers probably go up when doing all three.)

[Poet]

Accidentally removed too many words (you SEE what happens?! :tongue:) But I believe the research shows attentiveness and likelihood of accidents is about the same driving drunk, sleep deprived or while texting (though the numbers probably go up when doing all three.)

But that research is fundamentally flawed because driving drunk is a static effect and texting is not. There's more variance that goes into texting while driving.

[Simple Jaded]

I guess I'm too stupid and/or loyal to bail.


Perhaps, though studies show no practical difference. But, yeah, it's not that they're incompetent, per se, just easily distracted and frequently unfocused. Maybe CO shouldn't have legalized it. :tongue:

You have to be stupid and loyal to be a fan of one of the best teams in the league?

[wayninja]

No. Analogies are awesome and incredibly useful ways to prove a point.

The point being that you can't enjoy the bronco season, for fear of sudden, imminent, painful death?

[Poet]

The point being that you can't enjoy the bronco season, for fear of sudden, imminent, painful death?

That's out of the context of my participation. I was delving into the argument, and wanted to correct an argument that I felt was incorrect.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

But that research is fundamentally flawed because driving drunk is a static effect and texting is not. There's more variance that goes into texting while driving.

I agree; for example I prefer to use both hands when texting, driving or not

[Poet]

I agree; for example I prefer to use both hands when texting, driving or not

When I text and drive, I typically like to use my penis.

[Hawgdriver]

Joel, I love you buddy, but damn man. You're starting to depress me. Most of us have the same concerns as you but lately you have been a downer. Smile, bang your hot Norwegian wife, don't talk too much shit to any rival fans over there, don't bet any money on the Broncos, enjoy the ride. We're still one of the best teams in football and have just a good a shot as anyone. No team is perfect.

Your friend,
Slick.

Joel exemplifies the difference between realism and dread. Joel, keep it real bro.

[Davii]

I guess I'm too stupid and/or loyal to bail.


Perhaps, though studies show no practical difference. But, yeah, it's not that they're incompetent, per se, just easily distracted and frequently unfocused. Maybe CO shouldn't have legalized it. :tongue:

Week 15 of the 1998 season the undefeated Denver Broncos lost to the 5-8 New York Giants, then lost to the Dolphins the following week.

That team, despite the December losses, went on to win the Super Bowl.

Doesn't mean the Broncos will win it this year, doesn't mean they won't.

Last year's Broncos looked like shit in the beginning of the year then won 11 straight to get the #1 seed and promptly lost in the playoffs.

One team ended the season on a bad note and won the Super Bowl. The other looked untouchable and lost to a team they had manhandled just a couple weeks earlier.

Stop stressing so much as if you're a coach and your livelihood depends on the outcome. Enjoy what we've got, it's pretty bad ass. You'll enjoy football more.

[sneakers]

How the hell is this thread this long? Joel is trolling everyone for 11 pages?

[Joel]

The point being that you can't enjoy the bronco season, for fear of sudden, imminent, painful death?
Well, that might be overstating it a bit, but in terms of the analogy it fits a little TOO well. ;)


Week 15 of the 1998 season the undefeated Denver Broncos lost to the 5-8 New York Giants, then lost to the Dolphins the following week.

That team, despite the December losses, went on to win the Super Bowl.

Doesn't mean the Broncos will win it this year, doesn't mean they won't.

Last year's Broncos looked like shit in the beginning of the year then won 11 straight to get the #1 seed and promptly lost in the playoffs.

One team ended the season on a bad note and won the Super Bowl. The other looked untouchable and lost to a team they had manhandled just a couple weeks earlier.

Stop stressing so much as if you're a coach and your livelihood depends on the outcome. Enjoy what we've got, it's pretty bad ass. You'll enjoy football more.
The '98 team was a case study in how hard it is for even the best team to go through a whole season without losing ANY games. And perhaps in how dangerous it is to take even the worst NFL team for granted; I'd made a deal with work not to work any Sunday that year, and was really mad when they scheduled me for the Giants game, but then I looked at who we were playing and figured it was no biggy—so we lost the first game I missed.

With perfection off the table we rested/protected our starters (even though it may have cost Davis the season rushing record) so the Dolphins beating our second team didn't mean much apart from what it boded for Griese as Elways successor. This isn't that team that rolled through 13 straight wins before a bad break finally cost them a game and placed the starters safely on the bench. If this team makes the SB I won't put $200 on them like I did that team, and the reason should be obvious: Because this team hasn't rolled through this season.

We were down 21-7 at home against a 3-11 'Skins team before climbing out of the hole WE dug. The 4-10 Jags attempted a 2 PAT just before the half to TIE. This isn't the '98 Broncos; it's far more like the '96 Broncos who phoned in a playoff game against a second-year expansion team and got humiliated at home on national TV. Fortunately, the '97 team learned from that shaming; took it to heart as motivation. THIS team seems Hellbent on ignoring last years playoff lesson, and if they haven't learned it in 11+ months and 3 more losses I doubt 1 more month will help.

[Joel]

How the hell is this thread this long? Joel is trolling everyone for 11 pages?
Who's trolling whom...? ;)

[Northman]

Week 15 of the 1998 season the undefeated Denver Broncos lost to the 5-8 New York Giants, then lost to the Dolphins the following week.

That team, despite the December losses, went on to win the Super Bowl.



To be fair, that 98' team instilled more confidence in me as a fan. Even despite the late season losses i still felt like we were going to win. This team is so much different for me, i never know which team will decide to show up. Doesnt meant they cant win it but my confidence in them to go the distance just isnt there.

[Shazam!]

I hate the comparisons of the Super Broncos.

That team had aggressive playcalling and was built around a dominating ground game. They were also more physical and manhandled opponents up front, which is why they won so many games.

The differences are too many more to list.

Plus the NFL was a different league 15 years ago.

[chazoe60]

No. Analogies are awesome and incredibly useful ways to prove a point.
Exactly. Here's an example: talking football with King87 is like trying to teach a Persian cat how to bake a cake.

[Army Bronco]

Week 15 of the 1998 season the undefeated Denver Broncos lost to the 5-8 New York Giants, then lost to the Dolphins the following week.

That team, despite the December losses, went on to win the Super Bowl.



To be fair, that 98' team instilled more confidence in me as a fan. Even despite the late season losses i still felt like we were going to win. This team is so much different for me, i never know which team will decide to show up. Doesnt meant they cant win it but my confidence in them to go the distance just isnt there...and we had John Elway!!!

[Foochacho]

I have never read one of those long posts from Joel. I can usually get the jist of it from the comments after. It must be so time consuming and is such a waste of energy.

Joel how's the weather today? 5 Joel pages later........ oh ok, it's sunny that's cool. I find myself just flying through these threads skipping most of the topic because I don't have all day.

Anyway we all know our flaws and every other teams by now. Fact is we can still beat any of them on a good day. Who will show up that day is the mystery, but every other team is in the same boat. # 1 seed still gives a bye and home field, if you can't find a way to get excited about that or a Pats loss you're nuts. Anyone can win it getting the chance is all that matters for now. As of now we get a freeby with the bye. One step closer, hopefully we step up when it is time.

[Foochacho]

Realize my post was long but I only do that occasionally.

[BroncoWave]

Aaaaaaand, this thread has gone full retard.

[Broncolingus]

They were also more physical and manhandled opponents up front, which is why they won so many games.



...and bingo was his name...

(talking defensive side of the ball)

[GEM]

Yea, Miami (barely) did our job for us; wonder if they'll be kind enough to do that all through the playoffs. Because that worked out so well when Pitt knocked Indy out for us in '05.

Do you ever see anything positive in anything? :confused:

[claymore]

Do you ever see anything positive in anything? :confused:

I think Joel just quit smoking. Joel, Ive been there buddy. It gets better.

[Dreadnought]

I hate the comparisons of the Super Broncos.

That team had aggressive playcalling and was built around a dominating ground game. They were also more physical and manhandled opponents up front, which is why they won so many games.

The differences are too many more to list.

Plus the NFL was a different league 15 years ago.

I'll only disagree in that IMO the 96-98 Broncos were the farthest thing from a dominating physical team. They were fast, undersized, smart, perfectly balanced, well coached, and well led. They were the best finesse offense I've ever watched. They were a Ferrari, not a road grader.

[Davii]

Fun factoid: 10 of the last 11 Super Bowl winners lost a December game. Of those 10 Super Bowl winners who lost in December, NINE lost a DIVISION game in December.

Obviously none of that means the Broncos will win a Super Bowl, but it CERTAINLY doesn't mean they won't.

I am not saying this as some sort of blueprint, rather, just a way to say a loss isn't the end of the world.

[Northman]

Fun factoid: 10 of the last 11 Super Bowl winners lost a December game. Of those 10 Super Bowl winners who lost in December, NINE lost a DIVISION game in December.

Obviously none of that means the Broncos will win a Super Bowl, but it CERTAINLY doesn't mean they won't.

I am not saying this as some sort of blueprint, rather, just a way to say a loss isn't the end of the world.


I dont think everyone is looking at this one game as too why there is doubt about this team winning it all. Personally ive seen some issues all year long that make me question it but the Chargers loss is just fresh in everyone's mind.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

I dont think everyone is looking at this one game as too why there is doubt about this team winning it all. Personally ive seen some issues all year long that make me question it but the Chargers loss is just fresh in everyone's mind.

We definitely have our weaknesses, but we're still the best team in the AFC, and anything can happen once you get to the dance.

[BroncoWave]

We definitely have our weaknesses, but we're still the best team in the AFC, and anything can happen once you get to the dance.

Yep, there is really no juggernaut in the AFC. Every team has pretty glaring holes. If we were in the NFC, I would be horrified of our playoff chances, but there is no team in the AFC that we don't have a decent chance to beat IMO. We will be favored in every playoff game.

[Northman]

We definitely have our weaknesses, but we're still the best team in the AFC, and anything can happen once you get to the dance.

Not sure if we are the best team, we have the best record currently. (although i think KC is tied with us). But your correct, come playoff time anything can happen but i really wouldnt give the edge to anyone since there is no clear cut dominating team.

[Joel]

Do you ever see anything positive in anything? :confused:
I like pleasant surprises more than unpleasant ones. For one thing, the former require contingencies far less often than the latter.

I'm not gonna get up and cheer because someone ELSE won though. Miami beating NE for us didn't make us any better (or worse) and won't mean jack unless we do our job the rest of the way.

[Davii]

I like pleasant surprises more than unpleasant ones. For one thing, the former require contingencies far less often than the latter.

I'm not gonna get up and cheer because someone ELSE won though. Miami beating NE for us didn't make us any better (or worse) and won't mean jack unless we do our job the rest of the way.

It might not have made the team better, but it did put them in a better position.

[Joel]

Fun factoid: 10 of the last 11 Super Bowl winners lost a December game. Of those 10 Super Bowl winners who lost in December, NINE lost a DIVISION game in December.

Obviously none of that means the Broncos will win a Super Bowl, but it CERTAINLY doesn't mean they won't.

I am not saying this as some sort of blueprint, rather, just a way to say a loss isn't the end of the world.
The law of averages says, all else being equal (i.e. any team vs. any other on any given Sunday,) ALL teams have a 6.25% chance of winning ANY four games in a row. Against divison opponents who know each others rosters, coaches, fans and stadiums well, the odds can only be lower. We did have homefield advantage against a team we beat on the road though.

Regardless, as Northman says, if it were just this one game it would be easy to dismiss: It's not, so it's not. How many SB winners went down 21-7 at home in the second half against a 3-11 team? Or led a 4-10 team 14-12 at the half solely because they missed a 2 PAT that would've tied it? How many did BOTH, and turned the ball over 4 times in multiple games?


Not sure if we are the best team, we have the best record currently. (although i think KC is tied with us). But your correct, come playoff time anything can happen but i really wouldnt give the edge to anyone since there is no clear cut dominating team.
The Chiefs are tied with us overall, but if any tiebreak deserves to be a tiebreak, it's head-to-head sweep. Beating them in their house and ours establishes we're better.


It might not have made the team better, but it did put them in a better position.
In terms of seeding, yes, but I'm less worried about WHERE we play than HOW, and one non-Denver team beating another non-Denver team has no bearing on that.

[BroncoWave]

It might not have made the team better, but it did put them in a better position.

Exactly. NE losing made our Super Bowl chances better than they were on Sunday morning. It's ok to be happy about that, Joel.

[BroncoNut]

Exactly. NE losing made our Super Bowl chances better than they were on Sunday morning. It's ok to be happy about that, Joel.

You know I love you, but I'm going to bed down with Joel here. this just doesn't do much for me in and of itself. I guess I am still smarting from last years po loss. and just how quickly a team can be one and done in these good positions.

[Davii]

The reality is that making the playoffs is the key. Not going in on a strong note, etc etc etc. Getting there. We've locked that up. We're in. E currently hold the 1 seed giving us home field advantage and an extra week to recuperate and allow the coaches to make headway on improving our issues.

I refuse to believe that the sky is falling.

[Mike]

Fun factoid: 10 of the last 11 Super Bowl winners lost a December game. Of those 10 Super Bowl winners who lost in December, NINE lost a DIVISION game in December.

Obviously none of that means the Broncos will win a Super Bowl, but it CERTAINLY doesn't mean they won't.

I am not saying this as some sort of blueprint, rather, just a way to say a loss isn't the end of the world.

The best thing Denver has going for them is that there is no one dominant team in the AFC. Every team has bad losses and weaknesses. Denver has as good a shot as any going in to the playoffs. It is pretty wide open and should make for an interesting playoffs.

[BroncoNut]

The best thing Denver has going for them is that there is no one dominant team in the AFC. Every team has bad losses and weaknesses. Denver has as good a shot as any going in to the playoffs. It is pretty wide open and should make for an interesting playoffs.

hopefully more interesting than not. if we go one and done again this year, I'm going full blown Chazoe. I'm really going to have to re-evaluate my commitment to this team

[BroncoNut]

hopefully more interesting than not. if we go one and done again this year, I'm really going to have to re-evaluate my commitment to this team

that's blasphemy isn't it?

[Mike]

hopefully more interesting than not. if we go one and done again this year, I'm going full blown Chazoe. I'm really going to have to re-evaluate my commitment to this team

:lol:

[Northman]

I dont want interesting. I want a Bronco domination dammit!

[BroncoNut]

I dont want interesting. I want a Bronco domination dammit!

hmmm. even though the broncos will not advance to the next playoff game, it is just fascinating to have watched the game. conclustion, I am a pleased fan

[BroncoWave]

I dont want interesting. I want a Bronco domination dammit!

Agreed. When people say they hope for a good game I don't get it. I want a 50-0 blowout every week. Screw good games! :lol:

[Northman]

Agreed. When people say they hope for a good game I don't get it. I want a 50-0 blowout every week. Screw good games! :lol:

Yep.

I want to be talking shit via text, messageboard, and FB by halftime. lol

[Davii]

I dont want interesting. I want a Bronco domination dammit!

I agree completely. Best chance for that to happen is with a week off to work on issues and home field advantage. Therefore, be happy.

[LawDog]

Agreed. When people say they hope for a good game I don't get it. I want a 50-0 blowout every week. Screw good games! :lol:

Blowouts suck, especially when on the losing end (see e.g. our first superbowl appearances), however, I enjoyed SB 32 way more than SB 33 and a lot of that had to do with the fact that it was a "good," exciting and competitive game between two teams that were pretty evenly matched on that particular day. Despite the sting, I would wager that the Green Bay fans were happier (less unhappy?) with the way their team played than the Atlanta fans were of the way theirs played a year later.

[Slick]

Blowouts suck, especially when on the losing end (see e.g. our first superbowl appearances), however, I enjoyed SB 32 way more than SB 33 and a lot of that had to do with the fact that it was a "good," exciting and competitive game between two teams that were pretty evenly matched on that particular day. Despite the sting, I would wager that the Green Bay fans were happier (less unhappy?) with the way their team played than the Atlanta fans were of the way theirs played a year later.

When I am watching a team not named the Denver Broncos, I agree. When Denver is playing, give me a boring blowout in our favor every time. I was a mess watching Superbowl 32. That game was stressful. The Falcon's game was much more fun for me personally.

[Mike]

I dont want interesting. I want a Bronco domination dammit!

I agree. I just don't see that in the cards for Denver this playoffs. Maybe if they get healthy and start playing sound football again.

[Army Bronco]

I dont want interesting. I want a Bronco domination dammit!

I agree. I just don't see that in the cards for Denver this playoffs. Maybe if they get healthy and start playing sound football again. You know what, we have a very similar defense this year, personnel wise, they can dominate if they just got a few more turnovers and Von Miller starts getting more sacks. If Von steps up, we are a much better team. Look at him playing against the titans. Basically forced 2 turnovers by himself.

[WTE]

Yep.

I want to be talking shit via text, messageboard, and FB by halftime. lol

I know, like when your team is up at halftime by a score of ?????....:confused:

Well let's randomly pick 24-0. That's a great time to start talking shit. :laugh:

[Army Bronco]

Yep.

I want to be talking shit via text, messageboard, and FB by halftime. lol

I know, like when your team is up at halftime by a score of ?????....:confused:

Well let's randomly pick 24-0. That's a great time to start talking shit. :laugh:Usually. How was the Dolphin game yesterday? I heard Miss Clutch, Pats QB, was on the rag at the press conference.

[WTE]

Usually. How was the Dolphin game yesterday? I heard Miss Clutch, Pats QB, was on the rag at the press conference.

I didn't see the press conference. After a loss the TV is turned off w/in half a second after the final whistle.

[Mike]

You know what, we have a very similar defense this year, personnel wise, they can dominate if they just got a few more turnovers and Von Miller starts getting more sacks. If Von steps up, we are a much better team. Look at him playing against the titans. Basically forced 2 turnovers by himself.

I don't think we are similar defensively. I think we are weaker at CB, S, DT, and arguably LB (Woodyard play has dropped off and Miller seems to be a shell of what he was last year).

We also got a lot of help from ST last year and they are a complete disaster this year that can only be counted on to screw things up.

[Dzone]

Anything can happen in the playoffs, and if the Broncos lose, it hurts like hell. Maybe this loss to the Chargers will help us to prepare emotionally for an early exit from the playoffs, because sometimes the devastation can linger for months lol

[pulse]

I didn't see the press conference. After a loss the TV is turned off w/in half a second after the final whistle.

Meh, I'd be more concerned if Brady wasn't showing frustration. The Patriots offense sucked yesterday. He was just being accurate in his own observations....

"We make some good plays and we make plenty of shitty plays. Thank you."

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24376503/tom-brady-on-patriots-loss-we-made-plenty-of-s-plays

[WTE]

Meh, I'd be more concerned if Brady wasn't showing frustration. The Patriots offense sucked yesterday. He was just being accurate in his own observations....

"We make some good plays and we make plenty of shitty plays. Thank you."

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24376503/tom-brady-on-patriots-loss-we-made-plenty-of-s-plays

Their offensive line will be their demise. Anytime the Dolphins wanted to dial up additional pressure they had little difficulty getting to Brady or forcing an errant throw.

[GEM]

Anything can happen in the playoffs, and if the Broncos lose, it hurts like hell. Maybe this loss to the Chargers will help us to prepare emotionally for an early exit from the playoffs, because sometimes the devastation can linger for months lol

The 05 loss to the Steelers sticks with me more than last years. Not sure why.

[Army Bronco]

You know what, we have a very similar defense this year, personnel wise, they can dominate if they just got a few more turnovers and Von Miller starts getting more sacks. If Von steps up, we are a much better team. Look at him playing against the titans. Basically forced 2 turnovers by himself.

I don't think we are similar defensively. I think we are weaker at CB, S, DT, and arguably LB (Woodyard play has dropped off and Miller seems to be a shell of what he was last year).

We also got a lot of help from ST last year and they are a complete disaster this year that can only be counted on to screw things up.We basically have the same roster. Just players not playing as well. Even on STs, Holiday is the same returner with more fumbles and less good returns.

[Dreadnought]

We basically have the same roster. Just players not playing as well. Even on STs, Holiday is the same returner with more fumbles and less good returns.

I hate to admit it, but I think we miss Elvis Dumervil quite a bit more than i originally thought we would

[BroncoWave]

I hate to admit it, but I think we miss Elvis Dumervil quite a bit more than i originally thought we would

Do we though? Phillips has double digit sacks for us. The production hasn't dropped off. What's changed is Von Miller's production. I think his play has dropped off from last season and that's hurting our pass rush more than losing Doom has.

[Dreadnought]

Do we though? Phillips has double digit sacks for us. The production hasn't dropped off. What's changed is Von Miller's production. I think his play has dropped off from last season and that's hurting our pass rush more than losing Doom has.

Unanswerable. Miller hasn't been as good, and Shaun Phillips has played pretty well, but I suspect Doom was more disruptive. Just a thought I guess

[tripp]

I hate to admit it, but I think we miss Elvis Dumervil quite a bit more than i originally thought we would

Dumervil: 28 Tackles, 9.5 sacks, 2 FF, 0 Int.

Phillips: 32 Tackles, 10 sacks, 2 FF, 1 Int.


Granted he has played 1 more game than Dumervil. But it's close enough to the point where we haven't lost much, or anything at all..

[BroncoWave]

Unanswerable. Miller hasn't been as good, and Shaun Phillips has played pretty well, but I suspect Doom was more disruptive. Just a thought I guess

I think losing Wolfe has hurt as well. He provides a decent pass rush up the middle when he is in there as well.

[Mike]

Do we though? Phillips has double digit sacks for us. The production hasn't dropped off. What's changed is Von Miller's production. I think his play has dropped off from last season and that's hurting our pass rush more than losing Doom has.

Phillips has done good, but Doom was more disruptive every play. There was consistent pressure on the QB even if it didn't result in a pass. More throw aways or bad decisions. That is the difference, IMO.

Miller's dropoff is also a big contributor though.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Von is getting double teamed. Even with that, he has created fumbles, created havoc, etc.

[GEM]

I think losing Wolfe has hurt as well. He provides a decent pass rush up the middle when he is in there as well.

Not only Wolfe, but Vick as well. He has that mean streak.

[Mike]

Von is getting double teamed. Even with that, he has created fumbles, created havoc, etc.

No, often he is not double teamed. He is less explosive off the ball and it appears like he is half-assing it on some plays. I don't know if that is the extra weight he is carrying, effects of not using PES (has to be acknowledged), or what. But his play has been, for the most part, a shadow of what it was last year.


Not only Wolfe, but Vick as well. He has that mean streak.

Vickerson especially, IMO.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

No, often he is not double teamed. He is less explosive off the ball and it appears like he is half-assing it on some plays. I don't know if that is the extra weight he is carrying, effects of not using PES (has to be acknowledged), or what. But his play has been, for the most part, a shadow of what it was last year.



Vickerson especially, IMO.

That might be what the eye test says, but he still currently grades out as the best 4-3 OLB.

[Ziggy]

Dumervil: 28 Tackles, 9.5 sacks, 2 FF, 0 Int.

Phillips: 32 Tackles, 10 sacks, 2 FF, 1 Int.


Granted he has played 1 more game than Dumervil. But it's close enough to the point where we haven't lost much, or anything at all..

Phillips did a lot of this without Von on the field to take up double teams. Doom has had Suggs out there with him. Phillips has come in and done exactly what the Broncos signed him to do, and at a fraction of the price.

[tripp]

Phillips did a lot of this without Von on the field to take up double teams. Doom has had Suggs out there with him. Phillips has come in and done exactly what the Broncos signed him to do, and at a fraction of the price.

Absolutely. I was going to mention Phillips isn't playing with a talented defense like Dumervil is.


Hats off to Phillips. I was gutted when I heard Dumervil signed with the Ravens, but not once have I found myself wishing Dumervil was on the team this year since the season started.

[LawDog]

No, often he is not double teamed. He is less explosive off the ball and it appears like he is half-assing it on some plays. I don't know if that is the extra weight he is carrying, effects of not using PES (has to be acknowledged), or what. But his play has been, for the most part, a shadow of what it was last year.

Recreational drugs are not PED's. I can only assume you are misremembering the basis for Von's suspension this year...

[Northman]

I know, like when your team is up at halftime by a score of ?????....:confused:

Well let's randomly pick 24-0. That's a great time to start talking shit. :laugh:


Indeed. But what is funny about that particular game was i wasnt talking any shit going in at the half. I just had a feeling and that feeling turned out to be correct. You will find very few on this board that would take Brady over Manning but your talking to one of them. I just know a team like the Patriots you cant sleep on and unfortunately it bit us in the ass.

[Northman]

I hate to admit it, but I think we miss Elvis Dumervil quite a bit more than i originally thought we would

I tried to tell people but its all water under the bridge now.

[Northman]

Dumervil: 28 Tackles, 9.5 sacks, 2 FF, 0 Int.

Phillips: 32 Tackles, 10 sacks, 2 FF, 1 Int.


Granted he has played 1 more game than Dumervil. But it's close enough to the point where we haven't lost much, or anything at all..

Not necessarily. Stats dont tell the whole story. As Dread put it, i think Doom is far more disruptive and harder to keep at bay than Phillips is. Doom may not always get there but he is a constant nightmare for Olineman because of his speed.

[Hawgdriver]

Not necessarily. Stats dont tell the whole story. As Dread put it, i think Phillips is far more disruptive and harder to keep at bay than Doom is. Phillips may not always get there but he is a constant nightmare for Olineman because of his speed.

Fixed.

[Northman]

Fixed.

Bwhahahahahahahaha.... no

[sneakers]

Who's trolling whom...? ;)

Joel, I think you could be the biggest Troll in broncosforums history if my theory is correct. If my it is true, I would your biggest fan, and would give you a hug IRL.

[Broncolingus]

I think there are probably a lot of reasons the defense isn't as gooded-er than it was last year...

[Northman]

Joel, I think you could be the biggest Troll in broncosforums history if my theory is correct. If my it is true, I would your biggest fan, and would give you a hug IRL.

And i thought Agap was the resident troll whore.

[ShaneFalco]

Recreational drugs are not PED's. I can only assume you are misremembering the basis for Von's suspension this year...
von has played pretty well in my opinion. Especially coming back halfway through the season.

Most turnovers our defense gets are a result of Vons pressure, or Von tipping the ball as its thrown.

[Hawgdriver]

Bwhahahahahahahaha.... no

Yeah, I know, Mr. Ravens fan. /obligatory sarc indication

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

When I text and drive, I typically like to use my penis.

I'm not touchin this one. Seriously

[chazoe60]

When I text and drive, I typically like to use my penis.

That makes sense, it is the same size as a stylus.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

The 05 loss to the Steelers sticks with me more than last years. Not sure why.

Funny you should mention it...my son asked me yesterday what I would do if I was the billionaire owner of the Broncos. I told him I would give Cowher about$10 million a year to coach the Broncos. Then I'd bring him into my office and ask him if he remembered the AFC championship from 05. Then I'd fire him.

[Simple Jaded]

When I text and drive, I typically like to use my penis.

So do I, but I use my penis to steer.

[Poet]

So do I, but I use my penis to steer.

Impressive, sir.

[Joel]

Their offensive line will be their demise. Anytime the Dolphins wanted to dial up additional pressure they had little difficulty getting to Brady or forcing an errant throw.
For what it's worth, things should improve once ya'll have Solder back; anytime a QB's missing BOTH starting tackles he's in trouble. When we lost Franklin in addition to Clady Manning wound up with his ankles taped; when Seattle lost both their tackles Wilson got sacked 6 times in one game (and still won; yeesh.)

[Joel]

I think losing Wolfe has hurt as well. He provides a decent pass rush up the middle when he is in there as well.

Not only Wolfe, but Vick as well. He has that mean streak.
I think this is what did it; teams nearly always doubled ONE of those two (again I cite the stat from BSN during Millers suspension: Wolfe was doubled on 42% of his snap during those games.) That creates opportunities for Miller and the rest of the defensive line, because blockers can't doubleteam EVERYONE. Even when Miller was out we still saw Phillips, Ayers and occasionally even Knighton picking up sacks because there weren't enough blockers to go 'round, but with Wolfe AND Big Vick gone it's gotten much easier to take Miller and Phillips out of plays; who's left?


Joel, I think you could be the biggest Troll in broncosforums history if my theory is correct. If my it is true, I would your biggest fan, and would give you a hug IRL.
Nah, I'm pretty much "what you see is what you get," and not just because trolling some of our homers would be like shooting fish in a barrel.


Funny you should mention it...my son asked me yesterday what I would do if I was the billionaire owner of the Broncos. I told him I would give Cowher about$10 million a year to coach the Broncos. Then I'd bring him into my office and ask him if he remembered the AFC championship from 05. Then I'd fire him.
But he beat Indy so they couldn't crush us again, and gave us homefield too! Colts lose Colrs lose!!!! He just, y'know, didn't beat the wildcard Steelers for us. Gotta chop our own wood. ;)

Say what we like about Cowher, if he were coaching us I'd have no doubt about us winning the AFC, and feel pretty confident in a SB against Seattle or anyone.

[Army Bronco]

Joel, I gotta agree with you on Cowher. If Cpwher was our customers ac I would feel way more confident in our playoff run. But I'm still enjoying our run at this thing.

[BroncoWave]

:lol: Bill Cowher? Really? Do you guys realize how long he's been out of coaching now? Head coaches don't exactly take THIS much time off them come back to be effective. Does the name Joe Gibbs ring a bell?

[Dreadnought]

Joel, I gotta agree with you on Cowher. If Cpwher was our customers ac I would feel way more confident in our playoff run. But I'm still enjoying our run at this thing.

I'll differ with you, AB. I'd prefer John Fox to Cowher, honestly.

[wayninja]

I'll differ with you, AB. I'd prefer John Fox to Cowher, honestly.

I like John Fox's heart. Because of the alterations.

[Joel]

:lol: Bill Cowher? Really? Do you guys realize how long he's been out of coaching now? Head coaches don't exactly take THIS much time off them come back to be effective. Does the name Joe Gibbs ring a bell?
I'm not saying I want Cowhers strategic vision (Strategic Vision ain't what it used to and may never have been.) But I doubt ANY team Cowher coached at ANY level ever:

1) Lined up offside on a punt at the opponents 7,
2) Left a HoF TE like Antonio Gates UNCOVERED on 3rd down and
3) Sent 12 men on the field for the second time that game

all on ONE DRIVE! Cowhers players had too much respect for themselves and their coach to routinely pull crap like that, and too much fear of how he'd react if they did.

[Northman]

I'll differ with you, AB. I'd prefer John Fox to Cowher, honestly.

Emmm, i dont know about that personally. Guess we will differ on that. I think Cowher is worlds better than Fox.

[Army Bronco]

Joel, I gotta agree with you on Cowher. If Cpwher was our customers ac I would feel way more confident in our playoff run. But I'm still enjoying our run at this thing.

I'll differ with you, AB. I'd prefer John Fox to Cowher, honestly.Dread, Cowher has a stronger and bigger chin. Cowher is better. Almost as big as SGT Slaughters!!

[Ziggy]

:lol: Bill Cowher? Really? Do you guys realize how long he's been out of coaching now? Head coaches don't exactly take THIS much time off them come back to be effective. Does the name Joe Gibbs ring a bell?

http://a.espncdn.com/media/nfl/2001/galleries/versch/gallery6.jpg

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

I think there's a reason some of these guys go to the booth and decided to stay there, and I don't think it's because they don't get offers. I think they like what they get paid without the grind of coaching. I suppose they get there and realize they like getting a pay check and having a real life to go with it. Coaches in the NFL don't really have a personal life. Sometimes I think that's why good mean like Tony Dungy and Andy Reid have kids that go nuts. They're simply not around to raise their kids. Their jobs are their lives.

[Broncolingus]

http://a.espncdn.com/media/nfl/2001/galleries/versch/gallery6.jpg

...more what Dicky is like all the time...


http://thefootbawlblog.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/dick-vermeil-cry.jpg

[Joel]

...more what Dicky is like all the time...

http://thefootbawlblog.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/dick-vermeil-cry.jpg
He took two different teams to a SB, and won one; few coaches can say that. Parcells and Holmgren are the only ones I know of, though Reeves came close with Denver/Atlanta. I'd love Fox to join that list, but am not holding my breath.

[Broncolingus]

He took two different teams to a SB, and won one; few coaches can say that. Parcells and Holmgren are the only ones I know of, though Reeves came close with Denver/Atlanta. I'd love Fox to join that list, but am not holding my breath.

Crier?

:D

[ShaneFalco]

Dick is the best

[BigDaddyBronco]

Dick is the best
Sometimes when you go to the end of the thread and read a post out of context it is just classic...

[Simple Jaded]

He took two different teams to a SB, and won one; few coaches can say that. I'd love Fox to join that list, but am not holding my breath.
:rolleyes:

[WTE]

Next Sunday's game between the Pars and the Bills has been moved to 4:25 so Denver doesn't have an advantage knowing if they already wrapped up the # 1 seed prior to the game.

Go Pars!!!!

[chazoe60]

Next Sunday's game between the Pars and the Bills has been moved to 4:25 so Denver doesn't have an advantage knowing if they already wrapped up the # 1 seed prior to the game.

Go Pars!!!!

We don't need no stinking advantage. The Pars suck.

[Joel]

:rolleyes:
Just stating facts: Vermiel, Parcells and Holmgren each won at least one SB and led two different teams there, but few others have; Fox must get Denver there AND win to join the list.

[BroncoJoe]

Just stating facts: Vermiel, Parcells, Reeves and Holmgren each won at least one SB and led two different teams there, but few others have; Fox must get Denver there AND win to join the list.

Reeves won a Superbowl?

[Joel]

Reeves won a Superbowl?
Oversight; corrected now.

[LawDog]

Reeves won a Superbowl?

Nope, just got there with both Denver and Atlanta.

Edit, although Denver did win a Superbowl in which Dan Reeves was a head coach. Heh.