Off-season grades: Broncos the worst USA Today article

[Gimpygod]

I know certain people are going to say this guy is stupid, insane, inept or some sort of Shannahan fan but here is yet another article documenting the McDaniels debacle:

USA Today article (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2009-09-07-offseason-grades_N.htm)

[NameUsedBefore]

For their recent shenanigans, some of which seems to include an assault and battery by the head coach, I'd put the Tom Cable and the Raiders as a distant last.

[tumbana]

I like the grade they gave the Bears. They deserved it.

[yardog]

GRADE: F

Denver Broncos: We're still looking for the silver lining to offseason debacle. Maybe pouty WR Brandon Marshall will fetch something in a trade?

:mad:

:doh:

:mad2:

:frusty:

:tsk:

[shank]

**** 'em

[Thnikkaman]

Eh. These grades mean nothing until we see the results of the offseason. The Broncos deserve that F if they only win 3-4 or less games this year.

[LRtagger]

I suppose I will wait to see what our grade is at the end of the year. That article means next to nothing.

[dogfish]

Eh. These grades mean nothing until we see the results of the offseason. The Broncos deserve that F if they only win 3-4 or less games this year.

if we only win four games this year, i say mcdaniels deserves a "visit" to yard's junkyard. . . .

[honz]

**** 'em
I concur. Beautifully and eloquently said, my friend.

[Superchop 7]

Hey, it's better than the Z that Walters football gave us in the draft.

Great offseason.

Go Broncos.

[Dortoh]

Can someone dig up an article by ANYONE that is positive about our offseason?

[Dirk]

You know, all the pundits and so called experts are going to be eating a lot of crow once the Broncos gel.

I have a feeling this team is going to come together and be somewhat of a shock to the entire league this year. And not in a bad way! Unless you are the other teams!

[dogfish]

I concur. Beautifully and eloquently said, my friend.

shank just has a way with words. . . .

[Lonestar]

I know certain people are going to say this guy is stupid, insane, inept or some sort of Shannahan fan but here is yet another article documenting the McDaniels debacle:

USA Today article (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2009-09-07-offseason-grades_N.htm)


NFL offseason grades: Clunky start nets 'F' for new coaches

Coaching staffs have been altered, free agents signed, rookies drafted and rosters designed. With the 2009 set to kick off, USA TODAY grades each team's offseason, the pretest before the real exams begin:
GRADE: A+

Chicago Bears: You land a franchise quarterback entering his prime, no matter what else you do, you get high marks from us. (The Orlando Pace signing was nice, too.)

GRADE: A

Detroit Lions: You get a potential franchise quarterback and three other potential starters in the draft, import two quality starting linebackers and hire a bright, young coach to lead you back from an 0-16 netherworld, and you also get high marks from us.

Green Bay Packers: This team wasn't very far removed from going 13-3 in 2008 instead of 6-10. QB Aaron Rodgers is a blossoming star, piloting an offense stocked with talent. And Dom Capers' newly installed 3-4 defense looks poised to pay big dividends. Biggest question: What happens if Rodgers goes down?

GRADE: A-

New York Jets: They hired a coach who has infused the organization with enthusiasm. They drafted a quarterback who may finally prove worthy of Joe Namath's throne. Trouble spots: Receivers, depth.

Pittsburgh Steelers:Super Bowl XLIII champions might actually get stronger on defense as LB Lawrence Timmons assumes starting role. RG Trai Essex takes over for injured Darnell Stapleton. Otherwise, no personnel issues. Will QB Ben Roethlisberger's off-field issues prove a distraction, though?

Minnesota Vikings: Game-breaking rookie weapon on offense? Check. Return of injured middle linebacker? Check. Acquisition of NFL's most decorated quarterback? Check. Seamless integration of said quarterback? Umm … Resolution of starting defensive tackles' potential suspensions? Umm … no.

GRADE: B+

New York Giants: The defense may be the NFL's deepest after an impressive free-agent haul that includes DLs Chris Canty and Rocky Bernard and LB Michael Boley. The team has a full season to sort through an intriguing group of wideouts, though we're left to wonder if Braylon Edwards would have been a better option.

St. Louis Rams: They blew it up in St. Louis, dumping vets Torry Holt and Orlando Pace, among others. But we like the building blocks — C Jason Brown, T Jason Smith, LB James Laurinaitis and coach Steve Spagnuolo— it's just gonna take a while for the building to take shape.

Washington Redskins: The arrival of free-agent DT Albert Haynesworth and rookie DE-LB Brian Orakpo make a good defense potentially dominant. But QB Jason Campbell probably could have used more help on the line and in the receiver group.

Houston Texans: Defensive deficiencies may be addressed by signing of DE Antonio Smith, drafting of LBs Brian Cushing and Connor Barwin. If offense maintains 2008 rhythm, a long-awaited playoff breakthrough could be coming in 2009.

GRADE: B

Cincinnati Bengals: They boosted their national Q rating with a nice showing on Hard Knocks. They potentially hauled in an impact draft class. And QB Carson Palmer and WR Chad Ochocinco are poised to revitalize the offense. WR T.J. Houshmandzadeh's departure shouldn't hurt too badly, though RT Andre Smith's broken foot might.

San Diego Chargers: We know you can't have enough pass rushers, but we still think Chris "Beanie" Wells might have been a better first-round choice than Larry English. Regardless, San Diego returns intact, ready for another run at the AFC West, and RB LaDainian Tomlinson, TE Antonio Gates and LB Shawne Merriman all look like they're back to 100%.

Philadelphia Eagles: LT Jason Peters should help upgrade the trenches. Rookies Jeremy Maclin and LeSean McCoy add juice to the offense. The defense suffered a tragic loss (coordinator Jim Johnson's death), a wrenching defection (S Brian Dawkins) and a cruel blow (MLB Stewart Bradley's season-ending knee injury). The big question: Does Michael Vick make the offense more dangerous or add a dangerous and divisive element to the locker room if QB Donovan McNabb struggles?

Atlanta Falcons: An already potent offense receives added pep with the arrival of star TE Tony Gonzalez. A suspect defense gets younger but sacrifices the leadership of LB Keith Brooking and S Lawyer Milloy. Loss of WR-PR Harry Douglas (knee) hurts figuratively and literally.

New England Patriots: Reloaded with youth (12 draft picks) and experience, including WR Joey Galloway and RB Fred Taylor. Tom Brady's return is the highlight but will losing offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels, LB Tedy Bruschi and DL Richard Seymour lead to lowlights?

New Orleans Saints: Unless LT Jammal Brown misses significant time, the high-tech offense should hum. A stone-age defense looks ready for the 21st century with the arrival of rookie DB Malcolm Jenkins, S Darren Sharper and, most importantly, coordinator Gregg Williams.

GRADE: B-

Arizona Cardinals: With RB Beanie Wells falling to them in the first round, the running game has a chance to be far more dynamic than last year on an offense that enjoys continuity everywhere else. Despite a change at coordinator, the defense didn't look any more reliable in preseason.

Jacksonville Jaguars: Coach Jack Del Rio hopes to gain by subtracting malcontents from locker room. Team also upgraded offensive line and got steady Torry Holt to anchor receiving corps. Did they do enough to plug declining defense?

Baltimore Ravens: Losing defensive coordinator Rex Ryan, LB Bart Scott and S Jim Leonhard to the Jets hurts. But the defense always rises to the occasion and QB Joe Flacco is poised to make a big step up. Rookie RT Michael Oher and C Matt Birk improved O-line.

GRADE: C+

Buffalo Bills: WR Terrell Owens' arrival is the highlight. But what about the musical chairs O-line now missing Pro Bowl LT Jason Peters? What about rookie DE Aaron Maybin's holdout? What about Owens' toe? What about a discombobulated offense? Yikes.

Kansas City Chiefs: No, the draft wasn't sexy, and saying goodbye to TE Tony Gonzalez is deflating. But new GM Scott Pioli, coach Todd Haley and QB Matt Cassel could turn out to be a troika with long-term success in their future.

GRADE: C

Indianapolis Colts: A lot of turbulence for an organization unaccustomed to it. How much will head coach Tony Dungy and WR Marvin Harrison be missed? Beefed-up defense also taking altered approach. Rookie RB Donald Brown may be a steal.

Tennessee Titans: When you lose defensive anchor Albert Haynesworth, it's hard to deem the offseason a success. But the Titans didn't hemorrhage talent anywhere else while adding WRs Nate Washington and Kenny Britt and TE Jared Cook to moribund air game.

GRADE: C-

San Francisco 49ers: Might have found some gems in the middle of draft — RB Glen Coffee, LB Scott McKillop and QB Nate Davis — but top pick and holdout Michael Crabtree threatens to overshadow that with negative karma. Now we find out if QB Shaun Hill is really a bona fide starter.

Dallas Cowboys: Are they better without WR Terrell Owens, S Roy Williams and LB Greg Ellis? Maybe, though the value of those players' insurance policies remains to be seen. Check out the scary three-headed running game, though, best when viewed on the low-hanging video boards in the new casa.

Miami Dolphins: Is continuity enough? They bolstered secondary with draft, but it remains to be seen if they can thrive on QB Chad Pennington and the Wildcat against the wary opponents on their first-place schedule.

GRADE: D+

Carolina Panthers: They get downgraded after vacuum-sealed salary cap precluded them from replacing injured DT Ma'ake Kemoeatu. Keeping DE Julius Peppers is nice, but at $16.7 million, his price tag stripped Carolina of depth and team can only throw band-aids at potentially crippling lineup wounds.

Seattle Seahawks: The offensive line still looks broken … meaning QB Matt Hasselbeck could soon be broken … meaning WR T.J. Houshmandzadeh's arrival may not amount to much … meaning the Seattle defense may not get off the field again. Will Seahawks rue the decision not to start over with Mark Sanchez?

GRADE: D

Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Eleventh-hour firing of offensive coordinator Jeff Jagodzinski a major red flag for a unit incorporating new style and new parts amid fluid quarterback situation. Philosophical shift defensively also portends potential struggles. Rookie coach Raheem Morris could be in for some growing pains.

GRADE: D-

Oakland Raiders: A first-round pick on Darrius Heyward-Bey? Really? A first-round pick for Richard Seymour? Really? Really, Mr. Cable, what happened in that meeting room? Really? Seriously?

GRADE: F

Denver Broncos: We're still looking for the silver lining to offseason debacle. Maybe pouty WR Brandon Marshall will fetch something in a trade?

Cleveland Browns: Didn't get enough from Jets for pick that netted Mark Sanchez. Draft class looks suspect. New coach Eric Mangini hardly seems enamored of his quarterbacks, and Mangini's new players hardly seem enamored of him.

[shank]

Can someone dig up an article by ANYONE that is positive about our offseason?

tom jackson picked us as surprise super bowl contenders.

[BigDaddyBronco]

The Orlando Pace signing was nice?

Uh, did you see Pace getting worked by Doom? How is he going to handle Jared Allen or Aaron Kampman.

Pace is on the downward slide of his career. Nowhere near the player he once was.

Makes me question anything else this guy writes.

[Day1BroncoFan]

As long as we win some games this year and improve next year they can say what they want. :coffee:

[Gimpygod]

tom jackson picked us as surprise super bowl contenders.

Actually, he didn't which was really upsetting to me.. Nobody probably believes this but I want things to be good, the Broncos are a major source of entertainment and happiness to me. As such I thought Tom Jackson would be a national pundit that could throw a Positive Broncos spin on the whole thing but he didn't. During the ESPN 2009 NFL preview the entire crew was unanimous that McDaniels has done a very bad job and made some very, very bad mistakes.. So as long as everyone in the world save eight or nine posters here is wrong we should do awesome this year. If the massive, nearly overwhelming, practically unanimous majority is right this is going to be a tough year for those who live and die Broncos.

[Foochacho]

Actually, he didn't which was really upsetting to me.. Nobody probably believes this but I want things to be good, the Broncos are a major source of entertainment and happiness to me. As such I thought Tom Jackson would be a national pundit that could throw a Positive Broncos spin on the whole thing but he didn't. During the ESPN 2009 NFL preview the entire crew was unanimous that McDaniels has done a very bad job and made some very, very bad mistakes.. So as long as everyone in the world save eight or nine posters here is wrong we should do awesome this year. If the massive, nearly overwhelming, practically unanimous majority is right this is going to be a tough year for those who live and die Broncos.

Who the **** cares what any of them say, they are just guessing like the rest of us. Only difference is they are covering all the teams and not following just one. They aren't going to pay attention to the little improvements, just the major stories that are headlines. I just follow the broncos and so far I would say I am more excited about this year's team than I was with last years. We finally have a stud Rb and what looks like an aggressive D. If our running game is solid and are D ca nimprove to middle of the road we can still play some good games no matter who is behind center.

[LRtagger]

Can someone dig up an article by ANYONE that is positive about our offseason?

No, but I could probably dig up some from 2007 and 2008 :marchmellow:

[LRtagger]

Actually, he didn't which was really upsetting to me.. Nobody probably believes this but I want things to be good, the Broncos are a major source of entertainment and happiness to me. As such I thought Tom Jackson would be a national pundit that could throw a Positive Broncos spin on the whole thing but he didn't. During the ESPN 2009 NFL preview the entire crew was unanimous that McDaniels has done a very bad job and made some very, very bad mistakes.. So as long as everyone in the world save eight or nine posters here is wrong we should do awesome this year. If the massive, nearly overwhelming, practically unanimous majority is right this is going to be a tough year for those who live and die Broncos.

Actually, all the guys on the show picked a surprise team for 2009 and Jackson picked the Broncos. He thought the team was moving in the right direction.

[Day1BroncoFan]

Broncos on page 2.


Positive NFL Offseason Transactions Could Lift Contenders
by Eric Williams (http://www.betus.com/sports-betting/nfl-football/articles/nfl-wagering-news-positive-offseason-transaction/)


Denver Broncos

QB Kyle Orton

QB Chris Simms

RB Correll Buckhalter

RB LaMont Jordan

WR Jabar Gaffney

S Brian Dawkins

Analysis: The Broncos (8-8 SU, 4-11-1 ATS, 8-7-1 O/U) may have a rookie head coach this season in Josh McDaniel, but the franchise wisely added several veteran players that will make the first-year head coach’s life a lot easier.

Denver got an absolute steal by nabbing on of the top 5 safeties in the game in former Philadelphia Eagle Brian Dawkins. The Broncos also added another former Eagle in running back Correll Buckhalter that should make an immediate difference in his first season in Denver. I also like quarterback Kyle Orton who was traded to replace former starter Jay Cutler who clashed with McDaniel just soon after his arrival in Denver. For those that don’t remember, Chris Sims was once one of the best the up-and-coming young quarterbacks in the game as a member of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers before suffering a serious spleen injury two seasons ago. Veteran running back LaMont Jordan should help show Moreno the way as a rookie. The Broncos are +4000 to win Super Bowl XLIV in the BetUS Sportsbook.

[Ravage!!!]

betus.com? thats the source?

[Shazam!]

You know, all the pundits and so called experts are going to be eating a lot of crow once the Broncos gel.

I have a feeling this team is going to come together and be somewhat of a shock to the entire league this year. And not in a bad way! Unless you are the other teams!

I will be serving a crow buffet at my house for New Year's. All are welcome.

[MOtorboat]

I'll call it a debacle when it becomes one. Saying its a debacle before a game is even played is just pure stupidity. Utter stupidity.

[MOtorboat]

Actually, he didn't which was really upsetting to me.. Nobody probably believes this but I want things to be good, the Broncos are a major source of entertainment and happiness to me. As such I thought Tom Jackson would be a national pundit that could throw a Positive Broncos spin on the whole thing but he didn't. During the ESPN 2009 NFL preview the entire crew was unanimous that McDaniels has done a very bad job and made some very, very bad mistakes.. So as long as everyone in the world save eight or nine posters here is wrong we should do awesome this year. If the massive, nearly overwhelming, practically unanimous majority is right this is going to be a tough year for those who live and die Broncos.

And as long as we're basing this off the media, which we all know is just about as dumb as possible, Bill Simmons put us as his team to watch...and he's right just about every year....

This is where you tell me I have a mental disorder because I don't think Mike Shanahan is the greatest coach ever.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

I don't care what the experts say - they are not here everyday at practice. I for one feel the Broncos will be much better than many feel.

[girler]

I give the author of this article an I for Imbecile. That's a few letter grades BELOW F, if he wants to count.

How can anyone grade a team that hasn't even played yet? Idiot. :tsk:

[Ravage!!!]

They are grading EVERY NFL team in the league. EVERY sport, EVERy league, EVERYONE grades teams on how they will be BEFORE the season starts.

Posters right above, that are calling this writer and idiot, turn around and say "I this team will be better than most think ." Thats a prediction. Thats a prediction taking what we think and comparing to the mass media. The general media that doesn't think highly of personnel moves, drafts, and happenings of this team.

Vegas is VERY VERY good at what they do. That is why they are able to build Billion dollar casinos. They "guess" that the Broncos will be at the bottom of the NFL as well. Does that make them idiots? Does that mean they shouldn't be 'guessing?' Does it mean they "shouldn't" be guessing because a game hasn't been played????

How BORING would sports be if no one talked about anything other than the "lets wait and see??" Every move, every drop, every gather of talent... and every DAFT would/could never be talked about because we hadn't played a single game yet. :yawn:

Of course they are guessing. Of course no one can predict the future... TA DA!! big surprise. They aren't "idiots" for making an educated guess on how a team is going to do based on observations of events over the offseason. Guess what... people do that with the stockmarket as well, gas prices, real estate and pork bellies. None of which is idiotic, moronic, or stupid.

We have a message board "Pick - em'" League. One where we 'guess' how teams are going to fair against one another this FIRST week of the season. How can we be SOOOO idiotic enough to even try to 'guess' how those games will go when we haven't even seen one game played yet??? Does this not make us as moronic, stupid, and idiotic as the very writer some of you are insulting???

Btw... it's a debacle no matter HOW it turns out, now. The result has nothing to do with that.

[dogfish]

They are grading EVERY NFL team in the league. EVERY sport, EVERy league, EVERYONE grades teams on how they will be BEFORE the season starts.

Posters right above, that are calling this writer and idiot, turn around and say "I this team will be better than most think ." Thats a prediction. Thats a prediction taking what we think and comparing to the mass media. The general media that doesn't think highly of personnel moves, drafts, and happenings of this team.

Vegas is VERY VERY good at what they do. That is why they are able to build Billion dollar casinos. They "guess" that the Broncos will be at the bottom of the NFL as well. Does that make them idiots? Does that mean they shouldn't be 'guessing?' Does it mean they "shouldn't" be guessing because a game hasn't been played????

How BORING would sports be if no one talked about anything other than the "lets wait and see??" Every move, every drop, every gather of talent... and every DAFT would/could never be talked about because we hadn't played a single game yet. :yawn:

Of course they are guessing. Of course no one can predict the future... TA DA!! big surprise. They aren't "idiots" for making an educated guess on how a team is going to do based on observations of events over the offseason. Guess what... people do that with the stockmarket as well, gas prices, real estate and pork bellies. None of which is idiotic, moronic, or stupid.

We have a message board "Pick - em'" thread. One where we can 'guess' how teams are going to fair against one another this FIRST week of the season. How can we be SOOOO idiotic enough to even try to 'guess' how those games will go when we haven't even seen one game played yet???


oh, come on rav! i know i'd much rather talk about last year-- we can speak so much more intelligently, since the games have all been played already and we know what happened. . . . :lol:

that's a lot more fun than discussing the upcoming season. . .


but the rub is, you know as well as i do that not a single poster would be calling the author an idiot if he'd given the broncos an "A". . . a few hard-headed realists might point out that it doesn't mean anything, but no one would be pissy about it. . .

*shrugs*

that's just the way it works. . . .



so, let's have some intelligent discussion around here!

who thinks the broncos were good last year? go ahead, raise your hands. . . .

[Lonestar]

Hey Rav the casinos do not pay out casino money on these games they pay out money of others that bet against it happening.

While may set the intial odds from the second bet on the odds are adjusted with the bettors taking those odd on both sides.

If someone takes the over and ten take the under the over under line slides to balance the money bet.

Thus the casinos are not using their own money but the bettors.

Now the casinos are in fact built on suckers money that is bet in the casino proper as all the table and slots are designed to not return all the money bet. The slot for example is set up for a 94 to 96% return. Which means they keep 4 to 6%. Of all the dollars run through the machines.

Same applies to the tables a ceratain % is built into each differnt game that allows some folks to win big but they still make money because a lot of folks lost that and more.

To sum it up yes the Odds makers there know their stuff. FWIW the Broncs the last few years rarely covered the spread. So even the odds guys screw the pooch sometime.

[tumbana]

The Orlando Pace signing was nice?

Uh, did you see Pace getting worked by Doom? How is he going to handle Jared Allen or Aaron Kampman.

Pace is on the downward slide of his career. Nowhere near the player he once was.

Makes me question anything else this guy writes.

Pace struggles against shorter guys. He had no problem owning the Giants DE's and he gave up 2 sacks last season. He can shut down any 4-3 DE. Makes me question anything you post.

[broncofaninfla]

The Denver Broncos also lead the vote at 43% of who had the worst off season in the NFL on the poll on the same article. Right now it doesn't mean squat. Might be a good thing that everybody thins we are going to suck this year. I for one hope that McD and Xanders know what the hell they are doing.

[camdisco24]

Offseason grade...
I could care less.

Our record will be the judgement of that. Could be the same could be much better. IMO the importance of an off season grade, at this point, is pretty far down the list.

[TXBRONC]

I'll call it a debacle when it becomes one. Saying its a debacle before a game is even played is just pure stupidity. Utter stupidity.

It's no different that putting stock in power polls in my opinion. What matters is the final out come.

[Ravage!!!]

Hey Rav the casinos do not pay out casino money on these games they pay out money of others that bet against it happening.

While may set the intial odds from the second bet on the odds are adjusted with the bettors taking those odd on both sides.

If someone takes the over and ten take the under the over under line slides to balance the money bet.

Thus the casinos are not using their own money but the bettors.

Now the casinos are in fact built on suckers money that is bet in the casino proper as all the table and slots are designed to not return all the money bet. The slot for example is set up for a 94 to 96% return. Which means they keep 4 to 6%. Of all the dollars run through the machines.

Same applies to the tables a ceratain % is built into each differnt game that allows some folks to win big but they still make money because a lot of folks lost that and more.

To sum it up yes the Odds makers there know their stuff. FWIW the Broncs the last few years rarely covered the spread. So even the odds guys screw the pooch sometime.

All true JR, but the point being.. is that Vegas odds makers KNOW their stuff. I honestly could give a rats-ass about how many times the Broncos covered the spread. You mentioned tht one time before when trying to put down Shanahan, and still don't get it.

But the point really was.. is that people all over the US that know what they are talking about.... are guessing the Broncos do poorly. We all know that everything is a guess, but they are EDUCATED guesses based on the information we have. That doesn't make them stupid, idiotic, or moronic for making those guesses.

As dog said, the only reason this article got the negative feedback was because it said something negative about the broncos. YOu would think our fans would have some thicker skin by now. EVERYONE is expecting/predicting for us to have a poor season.

That doesn't make them stupid if we have a good season. It doesn't make them moronic if we win the Super Bowl. No more moronic than those around here guessed that the Cardinals would do poorly last year. Odd things happen. Thats why we watch the games.

[girler]

They are grading EVERY NFL team in the league. EVERY sport, EVERy league, EVERYONE grades teams on how they will be BEFORE the season starts.

Posters right above, that are calling this writer and idiot, turn around and say "I this team will be better than most think ." Thats a prediction. Thats a prediction taking what we think and comparing to the mass media. The general media that doesn't think highly of personnel moves, drafts, and happenings of this team.

Vegas is VERY VERY good at what they do. That is why they are able to build Billion dollar casinos. They "guess" that the Broncos will be at the bottom of the NFL as well. Does that make them idiots? Does that mean they shouldn't be 'guessing?' Does it mean they "shouldn't" be guessing because a game hasn't been played????

How BORING would sports be if no one talked about anything other than the "lets wait and see??" Every move, every drop, every gather of talent... and every DAFT would/could never be talked about because we hadn't played a single game yet. :yawn:

Of course they are guessing. Of course no one can predict the future... TA DA!! big surprise. They aren't "idiots" for making an educated guess on how a team is going to do based on observations of events over the offseason. Guess what... people do that with the stockmarket as well, gas prices, real estate and pork bellies. None of which is idiotic, moronic, or stupid.

We have a message board "Pick - em'" League. One where we 'guess' how teams are going to fair against one another this FIRST week of the season. How can we be SOOOO idiotic enough to even try to 'guess' how those games will go when we haven't even seen one game played yet??? Does this not make us as moronic, stupid, and idiotic as the very writer some of you are insulting???

Btw... it's a debacle no matter HOW it turns out, now. The result has nothing to do with that.

At least I graded his article AFTER I read it. Well kind of. I only read the first bit and the last bit actually... But I figured since we were grading everybody's crap, I could grade too. I think I did just as good a job as the original author. I give me an A-. :D

[Foochacho]

Pace struggles against shorter guys. He had no problem owning the Giants DE's and he gave up 2 sacks last season. He can shut down any 4-3 DE. Makes me question anything you post.

I question why you still troll our boards?

[Ravage!!!]

I question why you still troll our boards?

what did he say that was wrong, though?

[CoachChaz]

Who guessed Arizona would play in the Super Bowl? Who guessed NE would miss the playoffs? Who guessed Shanny would be fired?

See how much value educated guesses have?

We have the same o-line, the receivers and running game have actually been upgraded, the Qb situation is a question mark and the defense and ST seem to have improved. Based on FACTS, the only thing I see preventing us from a decent season is our schedule and that would have been the same issue regardless of what changes occurred in the off-season

[Kaylore]

Typical media echo chamber effect. Their whole argument is based on Cutler.

"Yeah you got Cutler, so you're awesome! Everything you did was awesome! You let him go so you get an F! Everything you did sucks. But if you hadn't traded Cutler it would be an A. That one player means all those other moves you made suck! F! FFFFF!"

Doesn't mention the coaches, Dawkins and other players we brought in. Doesn't mention our draft. Doesn't mention improved play on special teams or defense. Nope. According to them we traded a crybaby so everything we did is an F.

Forgive me, but does no one else find this incredibly stupid and lacking any common sense? The anti-hype is out of control. Everyone in the national media is expecting us to suck worse and worse. We're listed at the bottom of the league, like dead last, in many power rankings. I think people need to take a step back and look at the big picture here: we're a better team than we were last year across the board except at QB. Frankly I'll take my chances with better special teams and defense than getting one guy being the media darling for preseason.

Special teams and defense determined last night's game.

[topscribe]

what did he say that was wrong, though?

I think it had something to do with "Makes me question anything you post."

The guy is really hypersensitive about anything posted about his Bears, but
he doesn't mind smacking the Broncos anywhere on the board. That is
quintessential trolling.

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[Kaylore]

Pace struggles against shorter guys. He had no problem owning the Giants DE's and he gave up 2 sacks last season. He can shut down any 4-3 DE. Makes me question anything you post.

They slid protection to his side a lot of the time and he still had issues not getting pushed back. If he stays healthy, and that's a big if, Pace will at best be average next year.

[weazel]

a one line quip?? you referred to that as an article?

man that guy must have put a lot of thought into that piece... this thread is useless

[shank]

Actually, all the guys on the show picked a surprise team for 2009 and Jackson picked the Broncos. He thought the team was moving in the right direction.

troof

[SoCalImport]

they gave us an F!?!! Booyah!! Result!!

I love when the media overlooks the Broncos.

[Lonestar]

they gave us an F!?!! Booyah!! Result!!

I love when the media overlooks the Broncos.

locker room fodder..:salute:


every time jamie dukes opens his mouth is good for laughs in the LR..

[scottxray]

Typical media echo chamber effect. Their whole argument is based on Cutler.

"Yeah you got Cutler, so you're awesome! Everything you did was awesome! You let him go so you get an F! Everything you did sucks. But if you hadn't traded Cutler it would be an A. That one player means all those other moves you made suck! F! FFFFF!"

Doesn't mention the coaches, Dawkins and other players we brought in. Doesn't mention our draft. Doesn't mention improved play on special teams or defense. Nope. According to them we traded a crybaby so everything we did is an F.

Forgive me, but does no one else find this incredibly stupid and lacking any common sense? The anti-hype is out of control. Everyone in the national media is expecting us to suck worse and worse. We're listed at the bottom of the league, like dead last, in many power rankings. I think people need to take a step back and look at the big picture here: we're a better team than we were last year across the board except at QB. Frankly I'll take my chances with better special teams and defense than getting one guy being the media darling for preseason.

Special teams and defense determined last night's game.

Good point Khan (and nice to see you ).

I wonder how they'll feel after Chicago loses its first two games, especially if we win ours (not a definite on either side...we probably don't win both, but I think Chicago will lose both).

Chicago got a A just for the Cutler trade...We get an F , Just for the Cutler trade. No mention of the 25 or so defensive players that we cut that are mostly out of the league ,or at best backups on other teams, and the changes that are showing improvement on that side. Or the fact that we took a RB that should be a three down player, which was one of our biggest problems last year...no consistent run game.

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I say **** em we don't need no stinking preseason grade