Orton tests injured right index finger at practice

[Lonestar]

3 hours, 24 minutes ago

ARNIE STAPLETON AP Sports Writer

ENGLEWOOD, Colo.(AP)—The Denver Broncos might have solved one of their many mysteries Tuesday after watching Kyle Orton(notes) take snaps, hand off cleanly and complete passes at practice for the first time since slicing open his right index finger nine days earlier.

“It was obvious today that he could do it all,” offensive coordinator Mike McCoy said.

Orton wore a glove on his throwing hand and thin gauze and tape on his injured finger to protect the dislocated knuckle that poked through the skin in the Broncos’ third preseason game.

“Obviously, there’s a little bit of restriction for a quarterback when you’ve got something on your hand. But for the most part everything was clean,” coach Josh McDaniels said. “Hopefully everybody that was out there today will be ready to go on Sunday.”


McDaniels said the determining factor on Orton’s status will be “a combination of the healing process and then how effective he can be. If he’s able to be the most effective guy we’ve got then certainly he’ll play.”

If Orton has a setback, Chris Simms(notes), who returned Sunday from a high ankle sprain, would get the nod.

During the 20 minutes the media were allowed to watch the workout, Orton threw accurate short passes in warm-up drills and also handed off with his right hand without any apparent problems.

The media was escorted out of the practice facility before the Broncos began the team portion of their workout and weren’t allowed access to players once practice was over.

Orton declined to comment before practice. He’s scheduled to speak with the media on Wednesday, another sign the Broncos expect him to start.

Simms said the smart money certainly was on Orton.

“Yeah, I expect Kyle to be ready,” he said. “He’s a competitor, he’s a tough guy.”

Still, Orton’s injury could force some changes in the play-calling in McDaniels’ head coaching debut.

“Yeah, a finger’s tough,” Simms said. “I know I’ve dislocated my finger a few times and it’s your moneymaker, you need your hands to throw that ball. So, if you’re not feeling right there, it takes a little getting used to but I think he’ll be OK.”

The other big question surrounding the Broncos is whether Brandon Marshall(notes) will continue to be a headache or resume his role as the team’s top receiver.

Marshall was reinstated Sunday after being suspended Aug. 28 for detrimental conduct stemming from insubordinate actions during practice, and McDaniels has said he’ll entertain an escalating scale of discipline for Marshall if his misbehavior continues.

However, McDaniels said Marshall has had a great attitude and work ethic since returning to the team.

Marshall, who has clashed with the organization since the team rebuffed his overtures for a new contract and did not act on his request for a trade, participated in just a handful of offseason practices. Despite that, McDaniels suggested Marshall could make a significant contribution against the Bengals.

“Look, he’s a good football player and if he’s ready to go and we go through this week of practice and we feel like that’s the direction that we should play on Sunday, then certainly we all know what he can do as a football player,” McDaniels said. “It’s a matter of getting acclimated to enough of the game plan and him understanding what’s going on, but we’ll see as we go through the week.”

McDaniels said he’s had multiple meetings with Marshall since his suspension was lifted “and we’re looking forward to moving past this. He’s out there practicing hard and that’s what we’re looking for.”

Asked to describe their relationship now, McDaniels said: “We have a good relationship. He comes here, he goes to work. I coach him, I try to teach him as much as I can. He’s working hard on the field.”

Marshall declined to comment as he darted in and out of the locker room during the media access period.

His teammates said they welcomed back their muscular Pro Bowl playmaker and are willing to let his selfish actions last month slide if he can stay focused on team goals and not his own agenda.

“There’s not too many receivers that looks like he does in the league,” Simms said. “He can bring confidence to an offense in a hurry. He’s a special athlete.”

Receiver Brandon Stokley(notes) said Marshall’s drama-filled offseason that culminated in his suspension didn’t affect the team’s chemistry.

“He made one mistake and now we’re all ready to just move on from that,” Stokley said. “And we all look forward to a great season from him.”

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[MOtorboat]

He'll be fine.

His turnover ratio is better than he-who-shall-not-be-named.

[SR]

Voldemort?

[MOtorboat]

Voldemort?

Terrible quarterback, fwiw.

[sigwigdigbig]

He'll be fine.

His turnover ratio is better than he-who-shall-not-be-named.

You sure about that? So far in preseason, Orton has 1 TD to 4 INTs.

In his career, Orton has more turnovers than TDs.

"He-who-shal-not-be-named" has many more TDs than TOs.

[Dirk]

I hope by Sunday his finger is almost 100%. I doubt it but all the help he can get is fine by me.

I think KO will be fine as the season moves along. But starting off with that finger injury is tough for him.

And it is about time that BMarsh is acting like his head is in the right spot!

[CoachChaz]

You sure about that? So far in preseason, Orton has 1 TD to 4 INTs.

In his career, Orton has more turnovers than TDs.

"He-who-shal-not-be-named" has many more TDs than TOs.

TD-INT sure...but if you count fumbles...it may be ALOT closer

[claymore]

If Orton was any good Chicago wouldnt have given us 2 #1's in the deal. Orton has the pre-season and this year to prove me/anyone else wrong.

I wish he wouldnt have hurt his finger, im sick of the excuses for his poor play.

[Elevation inc]

He'll be fine.

His turnover ratio is better than he-who-shall-not-be-named.

really as a denver bronco he threw 4 int's and 1 td so far, thats better for you????

:confused:

[T.K.O.]

wow a great article about how our starting qb is healing fast and seems ready to start with the team in the opener.....a long overdue update on how brandon marshall is practicing hard with a great attitude and "should" be ready to go as well against cincy.
and people (who shall remain un-named) turn this into a "gee i wish we still had cutler thread in minutes.....PATHETIC !
can we please make a thread for whiny babies who have a man-crush on the bears qb?:D

[TXBRONC]

wow a great article about how our starting qb is healing fast and seems ready to start with the team in the opener.....a long overdue update on how brandon marshall is practicing hard with a great attitude and "should" be ready to go as well against cincy.
and people (who shall remain un-named) turn this into a "gee i wish we still had cutler thread in minutes.....PATHETIC !
can we please make a thread for whiny babies who have a man-crush on the bears qb? :D

Now tell me how calling out posters and calling them name helps a damn thing?

[T.K.O.]

Now tell me how calling out posters and calling them name help a damn thing?

i was'nt calling anybody out,i was just noting that this was not a thread about the bears.....its about orton and the article was very positive and i find it odd that it only took a minute to turn it into a cutler's the man....ortons a bum thread.
arent there rules about staying on topic?:confused:

[T.K.O.]

Now tell me how calling out posters and calling them name help a damn thing?

what purpose could it possibly serve to turn every thread about orton (or almost every thread about the team) into a discussion about whether or not orton can fill cutlers shoes?
it has been hashed,bashed and rehashed and people have theie opinions ,that doesnt mean every other thread should be a place where fans ,like myself, who have moved on should have to read people bashing our current qb.....yes?

[TXBRONC]

i was'nt calling anybody out,i was just noting that this was not a thread about the bears.....its about orton and the article was very positive and i find it odd that it only took a minute to turn it into a cutler's the man....ortons a bum thread.
arent there rules about staying on topic?:confused:

And since when is calling people names staying on topic?

[Ravage!!!]

i was'nt calling anybody out,i was just noting that this was not a thread about the bears.....its about orton and the article was very positive and i find it odd that it only took a minute to turn it into a cutler's the man....ortons a bum thread.
arent there rules about staying on topic?:confused:

The quicker people realize that this team is directly tied to that trade, and although it gets tiring, EVERYTHING this season represents revolves around one of the BIGGEST trades that has ever been made. That trade represents THIS regime. If this regime fails, its going to start with THIS trade. IF it succeeds (and the odds are very slim), it will start with THIS trade.

There hasn't been a starting QB for starting QB trade in 37 years in the NFL. This happening in a city that had one of the BIGGEST named QBs ever to come out of college, come to Denver BECAUSE of a refusal to play in Baltimore and a TRADE.

The topic of Cutler and Orton/McDaniels will continue to be tied together. ALthough we would like for them to be separate, they just won't be for a while.

[claymore]

wow a great article about how our starting qb is healing fast and seems ready to start with the team in the opener.....a long overdue update on how brandon marshall is practicing hard with a great attitude and "should" be ready to go as well against cincy.
and people (who shall remain un-named) turn this into a "gee i wish we still had cutler thread in minutes.....PATHETIC !
can we please make a thread for whiny babies who have a man-crush on the bears qb?:D
It was an anti voldermort comment that derailed the thread just so you know. :D


He'll be fine.

His turnover ratio is better than he-who-shall-not-be-named.

[Ravage!!!]

odd that it was MO to bring it back to Cutler..... :coffee:

[chris_rabz]

Good to hear that in any case we should at least have one of our #1 or #2 QBs ready to go. I don't have too high hopes for Orton but it will be nice to have a slow-but-steady QB who just gets the job done. I'll miss JC's creativity but his attitude will not be missed. As far as Marshall goes the ball is firmly in his court now. If he wants to be a Bronco for the forseeable he has to act like it. Even off his game he's a quality WR and could be the difference on Sunday - and could do a lot to make Orton look a hell of a lot better also.

[TXBRONC]

what purpose could it possibly serve to turn every thread about orton (or almost every thread about the team) into a discussion about whether or not orton can fill cutlers shoes?
it has been hashed,bashed and rehashed and people have theie opinions ,that doesnt mean every other thread should be a place where fans ,like myself, who have moved on should have to read people bashing our current qb.....yes?

Tell me what purpose does it to attack other posters?

I don't see bashing in saying that Orton was traded for Cutler.

[T.K.O.]

[QUOTE=Ravage!!!;741192]The quicker people realize that this team is directly tied to that trade, and although it gets tiring,

my point exactly !
and the quicker people realize jay is no longer a bronco and therefore has little to do with our team NOW.
look, i understand the anger,i was a huge fan of cutlers until he asked to be traded.....but thats the one fact most anti-orton people refuse to admit.
cutler did not want to play for the broncos anymore and orton is excited and ready to give it his best shot.
so why would i (or anyone else for that matter)care how many picks and fumbles cutler had vs orton?IT DOES'NT MATTER!
what matters is orton's finger is healing well and brandon is back with the team and practicing hard and both should be ready to go on sunday.....right?
like it or not orton got the most reps with the #1's and therefore is the logical choice to start and gives us the best chance to come out of cincy with a W......plain and simple,and has absolutely nothing to do with what the bears are doing !:salute:

[Ravage!!!]

[QUOTE=Ravage!!!;741192]The quicker people realize that this team is directly tied to that trade, and although it gets tiring,

my point exactly !
and the quicker people realize jay is no longer a bronco and therefore has little to do with our team NOW.
look, i understand the anger,i was a huge fan of cutlers until he asked to be traded.....but thats the one fact most anti-orton people refuse to admit.
cutler did not want to play for the broncos anymore and orton is excited and ready to give it his best shot.
so why would i (or anyone else for that matter)care how many picks and fumbles cutler had vs orton?IT DOES'NT MATTER!
what matters is orton's finger is healing well and brandon is back with the team and practicing hard and both should be ready to go on sunday.....right?
like it or not orton got the most reps with the #1's and therefore is the logical choice to start and gives us the best chance to come out of cincy with a W......plain and simple,and has absolutely nothing to do with what the bears are doing !:salute:


you obviously didn't read the very part of the quote you highlighted if you think thats "exactly" what you are saying.

[Elevation inc]

this thread had much more to do about kyles finger, his readiness, and his errors as a qb many of us see very clearly, than it did jay cutler.....MB and now you have decided to make this more about cutler than the ones you are calling out.

[T.K.O.]

Tell me what purpose does it to attack other posters?

I don't see bashing in saying that Orton was traded for Cutler.

i was merely saying there should be a "special "place for those who cant get over cutler.maybe i worded it wrong ,but c'mon you have to see my side as well.
what good does it do to sit around and mope about what is now ancient history? JAY is gone and he never loved you. he split and said we were'nt very good fans anyway (and dont give me the ...he meant the practice crowd was bigger)
he stuck the knife in and twisted it !!!!!!!
so i could care less if he throws 50 td's and 1 pick this season HE PLAYS FOR THE TEAM HE WANTED TO PLAY FOR NOW!

anyway i'm sorry if you counted yourself among the people i refferred to as whiny babies....i dont really consider that bashing and name calling.just a behavioral observation....and i think we should have a whole thread for people to get it out of their systems like a....
"i miss jay sooooooooooo much" thread or a" kyle sucks and will never replace jay in my heart " thread.
and leave the positive outlook on the broncos threads alone! imho:salute:

[Elevation inc]

i was merely saying there should be a "special "place for those who cant get over cutler.maybe i worded it wrong ,but c'mon you have to see my side as well.
what good does it do to sit around and mope about what is now ancient history? JAY is gone and he never loved you. he split and said we were'nt very good fans anyway (and dont give me the ...he meant the practice crowd was bigger)
he stuck the knife in and twisted it !!!!!!!
so i could care less if he throws 50 td's and 1 pick this season HE PLAYS FOR THE TEAM HE WANTED TO PLAY FOR NOW!

anyway i'm sorry if you counted yourself among the people i refferred to as whiny babies....i dont really consider that bashing and name calling.just a behavioral observation....and i think we should have a whole thread for people to get it out of their systems like a....
"i miss jay sooooooooooo much" thread or a" kyle sucks and will never replace jay in my heart " thread.
and leave the positive outlook on the broncos threads alone! imho:salute:



what about kyle will never be the same talent at qb cutler is, not because i love and miss jay and cnat get over it, but because kyle has shown complete ineptness running our offense so far...maybe you would realize its not about jay anymore but about how kyle hasnt shown the fans crap......

[T.K.O.]

what about kyle will never be the same talent at qb cutler is, not because i love and miss jay and cnat get over it, but because kyle has shown complete ineptness running our offense so far...maybe you would realize its not about jay anymore but about how kyle hasnt shown the fans crap......

uhhh....dude the season hasnt started yet....pass it on:listen:

i'm going to go find a thread where people are'nt bashing our starting qb...mmmmmkay.
wish me luck !

[Elevation inc]

uhhh....dude the season hasnt started yet....pass it on:listen:

i'm going to go find a thread where people are'nt bashing our starting qb...mmmmmkay.
wish me luck !

and kyle could very well be the next joe montana in this system as much as chris baker can be the next vince wilfork, problem is people like to go off what they see, not always blind speculation...at least i do. and so far i have seen kyle is a crappy Qb in this system, he could change that, but is it really suprising people that many dont want kyle as our starting qb after the preseason.

[Elevation inc]

uhhh....dude the season hasnt started yet....pass it on:listen:

i'm going to go find a thread where people are'nt bashing our starting qb...mmmmmkay.
wish me luck !

after his preseason your gonna need it:cool:

[T.K.O.]

and kyle could very well be the next joe montana in this system as much as chris baker can be the next vince wilfork, problem is people like to go off what they see, not always blind speculation...at least i do. and so far i have seen kyle is a crappy Qb in this system, he could change that, but is it really suprising people that many dont want kyle as our starting qb after the preseason.

there....that was'nt so hard. nice take on the fact that we just dont know.
we also have no idea if cutler could have handled the system.
that is the whole deal in a nutshell,maybe orton would have won one of the last 3 games last year had he been a bronco?
its all ifs and maybe's right now,i just refuse to put my efforts into beleving orton can never be any good when he has had the same starting experience as cutler and both are young and virtually unproven qb's.history has not decided either's fate yet.
but the fact remains that orton is a bronco and cutler is a bear....and no amount of crying about it will change that fact.
i like that orton has handled trying to fill the great ones shoes without throwing any team mates,coaches or fans under the bus.
and he seems to just be trying to get better everyday....thats all i expect as a fan and he has my vote until he goes out and looks like the crappy qb so many believe he is on gameday.
in fact i will give him the entire season and if he can lead the team to a .500 record with this brutal schedule,then i will say he did a great job.
if not ...oh well there is no proving any other qb could have done it either.:salute::defense:
anyway again i'm sorry if i offended you,i realize we are all a bit edgy after a difficult offseason. but we are only days away from bronco's football.
and i look forward to seeing our team put all the changes to the test.
we have had 3 years...or 10 depending on your outlook,of dissappointment and i for one am looking forward to seeing if our new players and coaches can get us moving in the right direction.

[Lonestar]

Someone mentioned the ineptness of KO.

Yet they did not see the team move down the field all preseason and struggle in tht red zone.

Pretty much the same thing we have seen the past ten years or so.

The IRONY of it all.

At least so far it has happened in games that do not count. :laugh:

[sigwigdigbig]

TD-INT sure...but if you count fumbles...it may be ALOT closer

No, it's still not close.

Counting Passing TDs, rushing TDs, INTs, and fumbles lost, Orton has more TOs than TDs and Cutler has many more TDs than TOs.

[Ravage!!!]

Someone mentioned the ineptness of KO.
I didn't mention it, but I would like to high-five the person that did. :)


Yet they did not see the team move down the field all preseason and struggle in tht red zone.

We didn't see that??? :confused: I saw that


Pretty much the same thing we have seen the past ten years or so.

The IRONY of it all.
THats not irony. It seems you are trying to suggest that it would be irony because people didn't complain about previous players if/when they struggled in the red-zone. Funny enough, people complained about that as well. So no irony at all.

[Elevation inc]

there....that was'nt so hard. nice take on the fact that we just dont know.
we also have no idea if cutler could have handled the system.
that is the whole deal in a nutshell,maybe orton would have won one of the last 3 games last year had he been a bronco?
its all ifs and maybe's right now,i just refuse to put my efforts into beleving orton can never be any good when he has had the same starting experience as cutler and both are young and virtually unproven qb's.history has not decided either's fate yet.
but the fact remains that orton is a bronco and cutler is a bear....and no amount of crying about it will change that fact.
i like that orton has handled trying to fill the great ones shoes without throwing any team mates,coaches or fans under the bus.
and he seems to just be trying to get better everyday....thats all i expect as a fan and he has my vote until he goes out and looks like the crappy qb so many believe he is on gameday.
in fact i will give him the entire season and if he can lead the team to a .500 record with this brutal schedule,then i will say he did a great job.
if not ...oh well there is no proving any other qb could have done it either.:salute::defense:
anyway again i'm sorry if i offended you,i realize we are all a bit edgy after a difficult offseason. but we are only days away from bronco's football.
and i look forward to seeing our team put all the changes to the test.
we have had 3 years...or 10 depending on your outlook,of dissappointment and i for one am looking forward to seeing if our new players and coaches can get us moving in the right direction.


i tend to be a rather objective poster and belive it or not there are only 3 things i dont like about this team right now.

1. JOE ELLIS!!!!
2. HOW WE LOOK AT DRAFT VALUE
3. KYLE ORTON AS OUR STARTER

the rest im stoked about, in fact im excited for the season, and hopefully kyles ineptness makes MCD go back to a strong ground game and defense, with bradny or simms taking it home rather than this air it up spread throw 30 times a game for 5-7 yds BS that doesnt win games that matter, just ask the patriots who got stomped by defense in the SB as well as arizona. i love our new direction and many of the new philosphies

but i refuse to belive kyle is the man the orginization says he is after what i have seen up close, and that some mistakes havent been made in a big way....Joe ellis and draft value being 2 big ones in my eyes for starters

[Lonestar]

i tend to be a rather objective poster and belive it or not there are only 3 things i dont like about this team right now.

1. JOE ELLIS!!!!
2. HOW WE LOOK AT DRAFT VALUE
3. KYLE ORTON AS OUR STARTER

the rest im stoked about, in fact im excited for the season, and hopefully kyles ineptness makes MCD go back to a strong ground game and defense, with bradny or simms taking it home rather than this air it up spread throw 30 times a game for 5-7 yds BS that doesnt win games that matter, just ask the patriots who got stomped by defense in the SB as well as arizona. i love our new direction and many of the new philosphies

but i refuse to belive kyle is the man the orginization says he is after what i have seen up close, and that some mistakes havent been made in a big way....Joe ellis and draft value being 2 big ones in my eyes for starters


did you see a different game than I did..

the NYG DL was not going to be denied and they could have had LT and AP in the back field and they would not have been able to run on them either..

having a good balance is good but it does not override a superb DL..

Draft value?

I hope your not thinking drafting like mike has as your base line..

drafting bodies that are not going to be on the squad come regular season or carrying the mope for a couple of year hoping they are going to make it.. I can rattle off 7-8 #1's and 2's that were total wastes..

as far as drafting I see nothing that I would not have done differently or better.. and Joe Ellis does not draft players he is the money man..

[Elevation inc]

did you see a different game than I did..

the NYG DL was not going to be denied and they could have had LT and AP in the back field and they would not have been able to run on them either..

having a good balance is good but it does not override a superb DL..

Draft value?

I hope your not thinking drafting like mike has as your base line..

drafting bodies that are not going to be on the squad come regular season or carrying the mope for a couple of year hoping they are going to make it.. I can rattle off 7-8 #1's and 2's that were total wastes..

as far as drafting I see nothing that I would not have done differently or better.. and Joe Ellis does not draft players he is the money man..


.....the point is Kyle being a savior like cassel or brady just aint gonna happen in my opinion(of which im entitled to) we dont need it a strong run game and defense can do the trick, read everything not just waht you wanna turn it into.....

Draft value was horrible....you dont trade for a blocking TE the way we did, you certainly dont trade for alphonso smith like we did....as a couple examples. I like the players but there is a reason all the paid draftniks knocked the value and thats becasue it didnt make sense. the point i was making here is our draft value was off period....i never said anything about mikey so get you panties undone and chill with that BS. i didnt even knock MCd, i just stated the value our draft i didnt like.


and i know joe ellis doesnt draft, stop being lame.....Joe ellis sucks for this orginization and has for sometime....you dont have to like the why, but i certainly have every right to put it down on a free message board with out you playing fan police becasue it goes against what you think....

you and i sometimes have battles, but i respect you.....please dont knock my opinion simply becasue it differs from yours....

i responded because a poster complained about cutler yet, the post about cutler were started by people clamoring to let the cutler issue go(we call that hypocrisy)....i explained i like this team, and its direction and philosphies and that include MCD as a coach, so the little play on my words is not apprecieated....

[Lonestar]

.....the point is Kyle being a savior like Cassell or Brady just ain't gonna happen in my opinion(of which I'm entitled to) we dint need it a strong run game and defense can do the trick, read everything not just what you wanna turn it into.....

Draft value was horrible....you dint trade for a blocking TE the way we did, you certainly dint trade for alphonso smith like we did....as a couple examples. I like the players but there is a reason all the paid draftniks knocked the value and thats becasue it didnt make sense. the point i was making here is our draft value was off period....i never said anything about mikey so get you panties undone and chill with that BS. i didnt even knock MCd, i just stated the value our draft i didnt like.


and i know joe ellis doesnt draft, stop being lame.....Joe ellis sucks for this orginization and has for sometime....you dont have to like the why, but i certainly have every right to put it down on a free message board with out you playing fan police becasue it goes against what you think....

you and i sometimes have battles, but i respect you.....please dont knock my opinion simply becasue it differs from yours....

i responded because a poster complained about cutler yet, the post about cutler were started by people clamoring to let the cutler issue go(we call that hypocrisy)....i explained i like this team, and its direction and philosphies and that include MCD as a coach, so the little play on my words is not apprecieated....


once again and this is my last comment on it..

Josh had his draft board stack for the player he felt we needed, to make this a better team.. if he felt we needed a blocking TE who can say he was wrong.. perhaps he was thinking that Grahams salary cap numbers were to high and wanted to have leverage for 1/3 of his money.. perhaps he did not see Tony S abilities on film and it took till after the draft and when they got int OTA's and mini camps to appreciate his skill sets the same goes for Hillis..
both IIRC were floated for trade value as the scheme he uses did not utilizes a humongous RB/FB type nor did it have use to a catching TE..

Since we do not know FOR SURE why he did what he did it is his job to find the talent he thought was necessary at the time..

I suspect if he had the draft been after mini camps and OTA's perhaps his drafts would have had a different priority.. and from what I have seen he has adapted plays into the "scheme" to take advantage of their skill sets..

I do not know how you felt about mike during his drafts but I know he reached more than most did for players he was in love with .. for instance no one can ever justify drafting a one handed WR in the second round like he did Watts and great kid that played his heart out but not second rounder probably a UDFA at best..

Josh made a comment during/after the draft that really hit home with me.. It makes no sense in bringing in someone that does not fit into the system and after interviews and workouts we thought they would not make it out of camp or words to that effect.. in other words no sense in drafting someone that will not make the team..

as for Joe Ellis not sure what he has done other than do the final interview Josh for a job, that could make you dislike the guy.. none of our coaches or GM report to him but they all report Pat unless I missed a change in status..

I believe he is the financial guy in the organization that tells Pat how much money they have in the bank and how much the rest can spend.... I suspect he has Pat trust and vice versa as he is one of the few that did not get purged..

[Ravage!!!]

I never understood this "but thats what he thought was best for the team" reasoning for defending what is to believed a bad or weak draft. "thats the player he had ranked higher."

Well.. no kidding. That excuse can be said for EVERY PERSON ever that has drafted. Thats the point of drafting..... to get the players YOU think make the team better. Why is it, that somehow that excuse "excuses" anything??? Isn't that what we are criticizing? Not only do teams go after players that are best, but aren't we supposed to get them with proper value?

People have stated that "if we knew Davis was as good as he was, we would have drafted him in the 1st round." No we wouldn't have. Not if we knew we could get him in the 6th.

As an example, lets say our team was in need of a FB. That doesn't mean I want to see our team go and draft a FB in the first round simply because we know he's going to 'make the team.' You may say the example an exaggerated silly one... it is. But it makes the point.

VALUE is what has been the complaint.... NOT the player themselves. Why is that so hard to understand?? If we win 5-6 games this year, do we think that corner we traded for is a top 7-10 pick??? Thats what we would be paying for him.

EVEN if you want to believe these kids were the right choice (the TE and CB), is that the KIND of value you would wish for our coaches to continue??

[Elevation inc]

I never understood this "but thats what he thought was best for the team" reasoning for defending what is to believed a bad or weak draft. "thats the player he had ranked higher."

Well.. no kidding. That excuse can be said for EVERY PERSON ever that has drafted. Thats the point of drafting..... to get the players YOU think make the team better. Why is it, that somehow that excuse "excuses" anything??? Isn't that what we are criticizing? Not only do teams go after players that are best, but aren't we supposed to get them with proper value?

People have stated that "if we knew Davis was as good as he was, we would have drafted him in the 1st round." No we wouldn't have. Not if we knew we could get him in the 6th.

As an example, lets say our team was in need of a FB. That doesn't mean I want to see our team go and draft a FB in the first round simply because we know he's going to 'make the team.' You may say the example an exaggerated silly one... it is. But it makes the point.

VALUE is what has been the complaint.... NOT the player themselves. Why is that so hard to understand?? If we win 5-6 games this year, do we think that corner we traded for is a top 7-10 pick??? Thats what we would be paying for him.

EVEN if you want to believe these kids were the right choice (the TE and CB), is that the KIND of value you would wish for our coaches to continue??



EXActly...great post RAV...i hated the value which was bad period! but i like the players


As for mikes drafting JR-----I hated that even more.....


and JR......joe ellis is pat bowlens right hand man and watchdog.....and he sucks at it......

[Lonestar]

EXActly...great post RAV...i hated the value which was bad period! but i like the players


As for mikes drafting JR-----I hated that even more.....


and JR......joe ellis is pat bowlens right hand man and watchdog.....and he sucks at it......

So if you like the players and you hated mikes drafting. Why are you so doom and gloom.

As for Ellis he is doing his Fudicary responsiblity for Pat as his CFO.

If Pat trusts him I do not see the issue. Pat wanted Josh and Ellis did the final interview as far as I know and I suspect you know that is all we know about him.

Not sure why you thought it necessary to go to the dark side.

[Elevation inc]

So if you like the players and you hated mikes drafting. Why are you so doom and gloom.

As for Ellis he is doing his Fudicary responsiblity for Pat as his CFO.

If Pat trusts him I do not see the issue. Pat wanted Josh and Ellis did the final interview as far as I know and I suspect you know that is all we know about him.

Not sure why you thought it necessary to go to the dark side.

im not doom and gloom, but i refuse to give a pass to everything in the orginization my objectivity prevents it. there are a few things i dont like, and its not doom and gloom its just how it is to me....there is no darkside. im stoked for the season. but i am upset about some things end of story....

im not on hear preaching the sky is falling. i dont like kyle orton and prefer chris simms and tom brandy...this doesnt mean the sky is falling either...especially since i have written quite a few things about the season being good and what i expect....hell i expect a better record than you do. does that mean you think the sky is falling???

i am by no means calling this stuff or this org wack, or going to the darkside as you put it. but i can also understand why guys like rav, link and mtn man are pissed. not becasue i agree completely with them, but becasue i can objectively understand some shit was jacked this offseason....

doesnt mean i think the season will be a dud or shit wont fix itself, but i listed 3 things i had a problem with thats it, pretty damn good for a fan if you ask me. i just never have and never will wear orange colored glasses 24/7 becasue i tend to look t things from both sides.

some might cal it a chracter flaw here and if thats the case so be it...dont bother me. but many people here are getting ridiculed for having a non mainstream opinion with some of you guys and its def getting old....this aint even about cutler anymore

just my 2 cents.....:beer: