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SR
07-28-2013, 02:39 PM
@RapSheet: Bad news for #Broncos C Dan Koppen. Early word is the team fears a potentially season-ending ACL tear. More issues at center.

Army Bronco
07-28-2013, 02:43 PM
Just saw this on NFL network. This sux.

SR
07-28-2013, 02:44 PM
Manny Ramirez and Phillip Blake better be ready.

SR
07-28-2013, 02:45 PM
@Jeff_Legwold: Exam has shown #Broncos C Dan Koppen has torn ACL.

Timmy!
07-28-2013, 02:45 PM
Ramirez will probably be the starter, I think he was working with center with the first team at OTA's.......after that ictbink we have Blake (was a rookie last year?). Not a big Ramirez fan but hopefully he'd be serviceable. OL depth could be a problem.

Denver Native (Carol)
07-28-2013, 02:45 PM
Jeff Legwold ‏@Jeff_Legwold

Exam has shown #Broncos C Dan Koppen has torn ACL.

Vic Lombardi ‏@VicLombardi

RT @JayGlazer: Broncos fear Dan Koppen has torn his acl ----- awaiting MRI results. Bad news for injury-riddled o-line

Denver Native (Carol)
07-28-2013, 02:56 PM
Chris Hall ‏@BroncosTV

Coach Fox on Koppen, today's practice. Full presser here: http://dbron.co/25z
Retweeted by Darren McKee

Darren McKee ‏@dmac1043 3m

“@Bigz3109: the team confident manny can do the job at C? Or will they be signing someone else ASAP?”I think they will bring somebody in

Simple Jaded
07-28-2013, 02:56 PM
Might wanna sign Wharton, at this rate they'll need depth at G. My guess is Ramirez and Blake get a shot.

MOtorboat
07-28-2013, 02:57 PM
Good times.

SR
07-28-2013, 03:05 PM
I don't think they bring anyone else in.

Army Bronco
07-28-2013, 03:05 PM
Damn it!!!

broncofaninfla
07-28-2013, 03:07 PM
I can't help but think the if the Broncos brass had faith in Ramirez or Blake they would have never brought back Koppen. I think they bring in another center or two and hope Walton can come back healthy, whenever that might be.

SR
07-28-2013, 03:08 PM
@AdamSchefter: Tests confirmed Broncos C Dan Koppen tore his ACL, as @Jeff_Legwold reported.

SR
07-28-2013, 03:08 PM
@MikeKlis: Torn ACL for Dan Koppen. Serious infection delaying J.D. Walton's left ankle recovery. No. 4 center C.J. Davis carted off Saturday.

ShaneFalco
07-28-2013, 03:11 PM
sucks

SR
07-28-2013, 03:13 PM
@RapSheet: Further tests, I’m told, confirm everything the #Broncos feared: C Dan Koppen has a torn ACL. Out for the season.

broncohead
07-28-2013, 03:14 PM
Wow that really sucks

SR
07-28-2013, 03:17 PM
Could a mod remove the "Potentially"? Thanks!

smith49
07-28-2013, 03:29 PM
Well phuq me!! Not good fellas. Not good at all!!!

Army Bronco
07-28-2013, 03:55 PM
Can Champ play center?

Poet
07-28-2013, 04:01 PM
This training camp has just been brutal. Sheesh.

pnbronco
07-28-2013, 04:13 PM
Manny was splitting time with Dan @ center with the 1's. So he has been working with them. It's just getting so thin and that kind of scary with JD. I didn't know why he was on the PUP. Dang IT!!!!

pnbronco
07-28-2013, 04:17 PM
Just say this too: Never thought of it that way......super dang it!!!!

Chad Brown ‏@chadbrown94 1h
Dan Koppen being OUT with an ACL hurts the #Broncos bad.Center is the lineman who makes the line calls based on what #PFM says. #VeryBadNews

LTC Pain
07-28-2013, 04:28 PM
Double Piss!!!

Tebowtime2011
07-28-2013, 05:04 PM
Any chance jeff saturday will be willing to come out of retirement to be with an old friend and get a chance for another ring?

Denver Native (Carol)
07-28-2013, 05:07 PM
Any chance jeff saturday will be willing to come out of retirement to be with an old friend and get a chance for another ring?

Jeff Saturday joins ESPN as analyst

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/07/10/jeff-saturday-joins-espn-as-analyst/

SmilinAssasSin27
07-28-2013, 05:15 PM
frick

Bosco
07-28-2013, 05:47 PM
Yeah, that kinda sucks, but whatever. I think Blake will surprise some people and there is also the chance that Kuper could be moved into that role when healthy.

We'll manage.

atwater27
07-28-2013, 06:04 PM
Massive blowage.

tomjonesrocks
07-28-2013, 06:36 PM
Steve Vallos in...guess they didn't wait around to try to unretire Saturday...

http://dpo.st/14ZPYDD

ShaneFalco
07-28-2013, 06:38 PM
TD was saying Manny could physically handle Center, but he looked lost mentally last year when he came in.

Denver Native (Carol)
07-28-2013, 06:50 PM
Vic Lombardi ‏@VicLombardi 1

RT @VMaynes: So what's next for the Broncos? Any ideas--->>They just signed some dude named Steve Vallos. Played some center for the Jags

Magnificent Seven
07-28-2013, 07:18 PM
That sucks! I like Koppen! I hope they will find a bigger, better, and badder center.

SR
07-28-2013, 07:19 PM
That sucks! I like Koppen! I hope they will find a bigger, better, and badder center.

And just where do you suspect they should look?

Poet
07-28-2013, 07:21 PM
And just where do you suspect they should look?

They're going to sign Slim.

Ziggy
07-28-2013, 07:24 PM
Saturday was benched last season in GB for poor play. His career is over. I'm not a big fan of spending draft picks on vets, but this team is primed for a championship. I doubt that Elway will pull the trigger on a trade for a stud center, but I'd love to see him do it.

Army Bronco
07-28-2013, 07:39 PM
Vic Lombardi ‏@VicLombardi 1

RT @VMaynes: So what's next for the Broncos? Any ideas--->>They just signed some dude named Steve Vallos. Played some center for the Jags I hope he is not some scrub.

Denver Native (Carol)
07-28-2013, 07:40 PM
from article:


Hours after center Dan Koppen suffered a season-ending torn ACL in his left knee, the Broncos have agreed to terms with veteran free-agent center Steve Vallos.

Manny Ramirez, as he was all offseason, is the Broncos' starting center. Vallos, 30, is a six-year NFL guard-center who has played for Seattle, Cleveland, Jacksonville and Philadelphia.

full article - http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_23749626/broncos-sign-free-agent-center-steve-vallos

Denver Native (Carol)
07-28-2013, 07:44 PM
from article:


Vallos (6-3, 310 pounds) is a sixth-year player who has seen action in 44 career regular-season games (9 starts) with Seattle (2007-09), Cleveland (2010-11), Philadelphia (2012) and Jacksonville (2012), according to the team's press release.

In college, Vallos earned All-America and All-Atlantic Coast Conference honors as a senior at Wake Forest University.

This isn't the answer at center, but clearly the Broncos did their homework at the position when J.D. Walton underwent subsequent surgery a few months ago. They were ready with a contingency plan hours after Koppen went down - even if that plan only involved adding depth.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a healthy competition between Vallos, Manny Ramirez, and Philip Blake moving forward.

full article - http://www.milehighreport.com/2013/7/28/4566268/broncos-desperate-for-center-help-sign-steve-vallos

Army Bronco
07-28-2013, 07:52 PM
I think Ramirez gets the nod due to his experience playing last year. Diff position but same offense.

Dzone
07-28-2013, 08:21 PM
No confidence in Blake? He is barely part of the conversation. Whats going on with this kid? Walton started as a rookie.
Doesnt sound good for walton making it back this season. an infection, bad

silkamilkamonico
07-28-2013, 08:41 PM
blake must not be anywhere near ready, i never hear anything on that guy.

Tned
07-28-2013, 08:42 PM
Geez, when I stopped for gas (driving back from Dallas to Arkansas), I saw a press release from the Broncos about signing center Steve Vallos, but I assumed it was just for depth.

Damn, losing Walton and Koppen is a big blow.

Tned
07-28-2013, 08:44 PM
Manny Ramirez really struggled at guard last year, Manning was sacked at something like 7x the rate when Ramirez was in vs. Kuper, so it's hard to imagine him being a good choice at center.

CrazyHorse
07-28-2013, 09:07 PM
This isn't good, but good teams are able to handle adversity.

sneakers
07-28-2013, 09:28 PM
Thanks Obama

sneakers
07-28-2013, 09:32 PM
Manny Ramirez and Phillip Blake better be ready.

lol Manny Ramirez will draw a penalty flag just by stepping on the field....he is terrible

sneakers
07-28-2013, 09:33 PM
from article:


full article - http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_23749626/broncos-sign-free-agent-center-steve-vallos

Just think of it....yesterday he was working at walmart, and now he gets to have Peyton Manning touch his ass every day

Simple Jaded
07-28-2013, 09:40 PM
Move Kuper to C if he ever gets healthy.

Dzone
07-28-2013, 09:48 PM
Blake should be ready by now. Evidently, he's not. That blows.

atwater27
07-28-2013, 09:55 PM
I hate to say it, but we need to make a serious trade offer to another team for a center worthy of protecting Manning. This simply isn't a position you can stuff a second or 3rd rate player and think everything will be magically ok

Dapper Dan
07-28-2013, 11:58 PM
The team seems to think Manny will be an adequate Center. If not, he would be getting first team reps even with the great and amazing Koppen still healthy and active. Vallos will be depth. I'd like to see Blake do something but I guess the FO knows something that we don't. We will be fine with Manny at Center. I know everyone wants to FO to go grab a young C. Like Walton? Like Blake? How many young Centers do we need on the team? There are no more Pouncy brothers left.

SR
07-29-2013, 08:44 AM
Move Kuper to C if he ever gets healthy.

No.

MNPatsFan
07-29-2013, 09:25 AM
Sucks for Broncos and Koppen. I always liked Koppen and hate to see this happen to any player, but especially to players I like such as Koppen. Hope he recovers quickly and completely.:salute:

Dapper Dan
07-29-2013, 09:28 AM
Any time a player in their 30s gets a serious injury it worries me. A lot of times they don't come back at all.

broncofaninfla
07-29-2013, 09:44 AM
Many is a good run blcoker but sucks at pass protection. I doubt he'll be the starting center this season. In fact i doubt our starting center is even currently on our roster.

Dzone
07-29-2013, 09:55 AM
Magazu is said to have liked Ramirez as the starter and Koppen was a backup. So we lost our backup center.

What team has an extra center that could start? Would we trade or would we stay with MR?

tomjonesrocks
07-29-2013, 10:04 AM
Many is a good run blcoker but sucks at pass protection. I doubt he'll be the starting center this season. In fact i doubt our starting center is even currently on our roster.

Last I read they were hoping Walton would be back in October. Is he reported as done for the year now?

Dapper Dan
07-29-2013, 10:04 AM
Magazu is said to have liked Ramirez as the starter and Koppen was a backup. So we lost our backup center.

What team has an extra center that could start? Would we trade or would we stay with MR?

What makes you think that some extra center on any team in the league would be better than Manny?

Dapper Dan
07-29-2013, 10:06 AM
I can only go by the coaching staff's line of thinking. If Manny didn't have a chance of starting, why would he be taking snaps with the first team offense while Koppen was still healthy? I think this staff starts Manny, unless this new G/C that we signed amazes them during camp. Seeing as he's getting a late start, I don't see it happening.

Dzone
07-29-2013, 10:08 AM
What makes you think that some extra center on any team in the league would be better than Manny?
Hell if I know lol...I dont follow backup centers...I dont know how good Manny is at Center, but reports from camp is that they are trying a lot of people out at center, so doesnt sound like they are sold on Manny
http://milehighsports.com/2013/07/29/fogg-kuper-should-start-at-center/

GEM
07-29-2013, 10:10 AM
Well, that sucks. :banghead:

Dapper Dan
07-29-2013, 10:15 AM
Does anyone have a clue about Walton and Blake? What's the deal with Blake and when is Walton expected back?

Dapper Dan
07-29-2013, 10:16 AM
http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/5121/k4cx.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/801/k4cx.jpg/)

Dzone
07-29-2013, 10:19 AM
Does anyone have a clue about Walton and Blake? What's the deal with Blake and when is Walton expected back?
I think Walton s return is in doubt due to some kind of infection from surgery , He had a 2nd surgery recently, so I am guessing walton is done for this year

Dapper Dan
07-29-2013, 10:21 AM
I think Walton s return is in doubt due to some kind of infection from surgery , He had a 2nd surgery recently, so I am guessing walton is done for this year

The dude has no luck at all.

BigDaddyBronco
07-29-2013, 10:23 AM
This sucks pretty bad. With as many of the Oline guys coming off injury it was nice to have Koppen as a solid piece in the middle. Now we got a backup, who didn't look good last year at RG, calling out pass protection for our old, immobile HOF QB. Great. The only saving grace was that it was at the beginning of camp instead of the end. At least they have some time to get the snap right and work on calling the pass protection.

PatriotsGuy
07-29-2013, 10:25 AM
Sucks to lose anyone, especially at camp.

Dapper Dan
07-29-2013, 10:28 AM
Sucks to lose anyone, especially at camp.

It sucks losing someone in camp or any practice, or even preseason. Mostly because it's suppose to be an easy, routine task. But I think it's worse during the season because you have less time to adjust.

Buff
07-29-2013, 10:45 AM
I think we had the least amount of depth at Center of any position on either side of the ball (sans kicker maybe) coming into camp. I'd expect to see us getting blitzed in the A Gap all year long if Manny Ramirez ends up being the guy.

rationalfan
07-29-2013, 11:21 AM
Manny's the man, Blake isn't even getting second team reps.


http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_23752789/broncos-peyton-manning-takes-snaps-from-manny-ramirez

Dzone
07-29-2013, 11:28 AM
Manny's the man, Blake isn't even getting second team reps.


http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_23752789/broncos-peyton-manning-takes-snaps-from-manny-ramirez
Can we assume that Blake is terrible? lol

rationalfan
07-29-2013, 11:31 AM
Can we assume that Blake is terrible? lol

maybe. but some players take longer to develop. ed macaffery wasn't a stud his first few seasons. neither was chris myers. the concern with blake, if i recall correctly, is that he came into the league older than most rookies - so his window is shorter, of course.

Dzone
07-29-2013, 11:39 AM
Sylvester Williams limps off the field...before that he was having his way with phillip blake

broncofaninfla
07-29-2013, 11:44 AM
Last I read they were hoping Walton would be back in October. Is he reported as done for the year now?

From what I've read he was due back in October BUT has an infection that threatens to prolong that date or possibly put him out for the year.

broncofaninfla
07-29-2013, 11:48 AM
Does anybody know of ANY teams that currently have a competition at center right now? I've been looking at team reports trying to find a team but so far NONE. Sure hoping we can trade to get a center. If not Manny might be our center this year putting Manning at risk of getting blasted up the middle.

GEM
07-29-2013, 11:49 AM
Can we assume that Blake is terrible? lol

Blake's development was set back by injury. He injured his thumb and was on injured reserve last season.

Denver Native (Carol)
07-29-2013, 11:55 AM
After center Dan Koppen suffered a season-ending injury in Sunday's practice, quarterback Peyton Manning worked with Manny Ramirez in training camp on Monday.

Ramirez, a five-year veteran from Texas Tech, made 11 starts at right guard for the Broncos last season.

Koppen, who took over at center last year after an injury to J.D. Walton, tore his anterior cruciate ligament in his left knee on Sunday.

Guard/center C.J. Davis, who was held out of Sunday's practice with an ankle in jury he suffered Saturday, returned to the field. He worked as a center with backup quarterback Brock Osweiler.

rest - http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_23752789/broncos-peyton-manning-takes-snaps-from-manny-ramirez

broncofaninfla
07-29-2013, 12:05 PM
According to Lindsay Jones on Twitter Manny is the starting center today at camp, CJ Davis second string, Phillip Blake third string.

Tned
07-29-2013, 01:46 PM
Eric Goodman just tweeted that Kuper told him after practice that he could play center. If he's healthy and could play center, that could be a good option. He's good in pass defense and the run game, so potentially, that could wind up being an improvement over Koppen (assuming he's healthy, and can make the calls and not fumble snaps).

broncofaninfla
07-29-2013, 01:58 PM
Eric Goodman just tweeted that Kuper told him after practice that he could play center. If he's healthy and could play center, that could be a good option. He's good in pass defense and the run game, so potentially, that could wind up being an improvement over Koppen (assuming he's healthy, and can make the calls and not fumble snaps).

Have you heard an ETA for Kupers return? I'd love for him to be in the mix.

Tned
07-29-2013, 02:03 PM
Have you heard an ETA for Kupers return? I'd love for him to be in the mix.

I haven't. I think they put him on PUP, but I haven't heard a time table.

Buff
07-29-2013, 02:56 PM
Eric Goodman just tweeted that Kuper told him after practice that he could play center. If he's healthy and could play center, that could be a good option. He's good in pass defense and the run game, so potentially, that could wind up being an improvement over Koppen (assuming he's healthy, and can make the calls and not fumble snaps).

He's not healthy. Yes, he would be an awesome fill-in if he were healthy, but if he were healthy then we'd have him penciled in as our starting guard.

People were talking about playing him at center before Koppen or Walton went down - but it doesn't make any sense because if we had any faith that he could get healthy, then he'd still be playing guard for us. I would love to be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Kuper's foot/ankle are toast.

SR
07-29-2013, 05:58 PM
He's not healthy. Yes, he would be an awesome fill-in if he were healthy, but if he were healthy then we'd have him penciled in as our starting guard.

People were talking about playing him at center before Koppen or Walton went down - but it doesn't make any sense because if we had any faith that he could get healthy, then he'd still be playing guard for us. I would love to be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Kuper's foot/ankle are toast.

He wouldn't be the starting guard if he's healthy. Not with the paycheck that Vasquez is getting.

Tned
07-29-2013, 08:13 PM
He wouldn't be the starting guard if he's healthy. Not with the paycheck that Vasquez is getting.

I think his point was more that they wouldn't have signed Vasquez if they thought he could stay healthy.

Dzone
07-29-2013, 09:14 PM
Jeff Saturday on espn discussing this. Says Koppens replacement had better be a really smart guy.
Whats Manny's wonderlick score? Lets hope he aint a dummy

tomjonesrocks
07-29-2013, 09:41 PM
Jeff Saturday on espn discussing this. Says Koppens replacement had better be a really smart guy.
Whats Manny's wonderlick score? Lets hope he aint a dummy

So I guess that's a not-so-subtle way to tout his own intelligence...modest man, Saturday...

Dzone
07-29-2013, 10:01 PM
So I guess that's a not-so-subtle way to tout his own intelligence...modest man, Saturday...
I was paraphrasing Saturdays comments...sorry...He was mainly saying the dude had better be ready to study..it was the radio guys who said he had better be a really smart dude.

Dapper Dan
07-29-2013, 10:05 PM
Terrell Davis pretty much said the same thing.

Dzone
07-29-2013, 10:21 PM
With all these injuries on the O line, no worrys, we have Alex Gibbs

BroncoJoe
07-30-2013, 08:33 AM
If it had to happen, good thing it happened 3-4 days into camp. There's plenty of time for all to get on the same page.

CoachChaz
07-30-2013, 09:20 AM
I guess I still dont see why there is a big fear of Manning getting killed if Ramirez is at center. His pass blocking is NOT something to worry about. Run blocking and learning the position ina Manning offense could be another story...but there is time to perfect it before the games start

Tned
07-30-2013, 10:56 AM
I guess I still dont see why there is a big fear of Manning getting killed if Ramirez is at center. His pass blocking is NOT something to worry about. Run blocking and learning the position ina Manning offense could be another story...but there is time to perfect it before the games start

Why exactly isn't his pass blocking a concern? Last year, Manning was sacked something like every 18 pass attempts with Ramirez in, and every 80 pass attempts with Kuper in. I think I saw this state with about two or three games left to go, but both of them had had significant playing time at that point, so that it was likely statistically significant and spanned enough teams that it wasn't just an anomaly of one playing good pass rushing teams and one crappy.

CoachChaz
07-30-2013, 11:41 AM
Why exactly isn't his pass blocking a concern? Last year, Manning was sacked something like every 18 pass attempts with Ramirez in, and every 80 pass attempts with Kuper in. I think I saw this state with about two or three games left to go, but both of them had had significant playing time at that point, so that it was likely statistically significant and spanned enough teams that it wasn't just an anomaly of one playing good pass rushing teams and one crappy.

Stats are always deceiving. I remember people bringing this up after the Houston game. But if you go back and actually look at the film...the two sacks Ramirez was credited with giving up...really werent his responsibility. His man was picked up, but one was a stunt that Watt executed perfectly to the inside (where the center missed him), and the other was Manning stepping way up into the pocket and the DL only had to fall to the right to land on Manning.

There are a few other examples, but overall...as a pass blocker...we could have much worse at center than Ramirez. Yes...I do prefer him as a back up due to his overall game. But I wouldnt exactly be trembling if he indeed ended up being the starter.

TXBRONC
07-30-2013, 11:52 AM
Stats are always deceiving. I remember people bringing this up after the Houston game. But if you go back and actually look at the film...the two sacks Ramirez was credited with giving up...really werent his responsibility. His man was picked up, but one was a stunt that Watt executed perfectly to the inside (where the center missed him), and the other was Manning stepping way up into the pocket and the DL only had to fall to the right to land on Manning.

There are a few other examples, but overall...as a pass blocker...we could have much worse at center than Ramirez. Yes...I do prefer him as a back up due to his overall game. But I wouldnt exactly be trembling if he indeed ended up being the starter.

I've said in the past his blocking seemed to get a little better as the year worn but right now it's still a major concern going forward. It wouldn't hurt my feeling to be proven wrong.

Buff
07-30-2013, 12:51 PM
Stats are always deceiving. I remember people bringing this up after the Houston game. But if you go back and actually look at the film...the two sacks Ramirez was credited with giving up...really werent his responsibility. His man was picked up, but one was a stunt that Watt executed perfectly to the inside (where the center missed him), and the other was Manning stepping way up into the pocket and the DL only had to fall to the right to land on Manning.

There are a few other examples, but overall...as a pass blocker...we could have much worse at center than Ramirez. Yes...I do prefer him as a back up due to his overall game. But I wouldnt exactly be trembling if he indeed ended up being the starter.

Suit yourself bro, I am ******* terrified at the prospect of having Ramirez as our starting center. That said, we've been vulnerable up the middle for a lot of years now, so I guess this is nothing new.

Buff
07-30-2013, 01:03 PM
He wouldn't be the starting guard if he's healthy. Not with the paycheck that Vasquez is getting.

We never would have signed Vasquez if Kuper was healthy. Or if we did, one of them would be replacing Beadles.

CoachChaz
07-30-2013, 01:23 PM
We never would have signed Vasquez if Kuper was healthy. Or if we did, one of them would be replacing Beadles.

Makes sense. Replce the Pro-Bowler

rationalfan
07-30-2013, 02:18 PM
Suit yourself bro, I am ******* terrified at the prospect of having Ramirez as our starting center. That said, we've been vulnerable up the middle for a lot of years now, so I guess this is nothing new.

if you're "terrified" about him starting, your life must be pretty calm because this isn't even causing me to blink. perspective.

broncohead
07-30-2013, 02:46 PM
I remember reading something on Ramirez saying his pass blocking was about average but he was a terrible run blocker. It had stats and what not backing up their claim. I don't remember where I read that but i'll try and find it

Buff
07-30-2013, 07:51 PM
Makes sense. Replce the Pro-Bowler

That title is used pretty loosely these days. But I wasn't really knocking Beadles, so much as I was pointing out that Kuper was the superior player of the two when healthy.


if you're "terrified" about him starting, your life must be pretty calm because this isn't even causing me to blink. perspective.

Hyperbole. Use it. It's orgasmic.

Dapper Dan
07-30-2013, 07:55 PM
Why weren't people terrified before the Koppen injury, since Manny was still the starting Center?

Dapper Dan
07-30-2013, 07:56 PM
Why exactly isn't his pass blocking a concern? Last year, Manning was sacked something like every 18 pass attempts with Ramirez in, and every 80 pass attempts with Kuper in. I think I saw this state with about two or three games left to go, but both of them had had significant playing time at that point, so that it was likely statistically significant and spanned enough teams that it wasn't just an anomaly of one playing good pass rushing teams and one crappy.

Manny played in significantly more games than Kuper. Tougher games as well. I think the 4 or so games that Kuper actually played in were in our easier part of the schedule.

Buff
07-30-2013, 08:01 PM
Why weren't people terrified before the Koppen injury, since Manny was still the starting Center?


Manny played in significantly more games than Kuper. Tougher games as well. I think the 4 or so games that Kuper actually played in were in our easier part of the schedule.

I was never really happy with our center depth - I am not a big JD Walton fan either. But I thought Koppen did a better job than Ramirez last year and expected him to ultimately win the job.

Kuper was a shell of his former self last year. I don't think that was totally representative of who he was prior to mangling his ankle.

Jsteve01
07-30-2013, 08:42 PM
Come on coach. Center isn't a plug n play position. Manny hasn't snapped a ball in a game or called blocking assignments since high school.

Dapper Dan
07-30-2013, 09:06 PM
Come on coach. Center isn't a plug n play position. Manny hasn't snapped a ball in a game or called blocking assignments since high school.

And yet the staff, barring change, was ready to start him over Koppen or Blake or Myers or any other guys who's played Center recently. Weird.

Buff
07-30-2013, 09:22 PM
Retired Ryan Lilja reportedly interests Denver Broncos

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000223884/article/report-broncos-interested-in-retired-gc-ryan-lilja?campaign=Twitter_atl

silkamilkamonico
07-30-2013, 10:03 PM
desperate times call for desperate measures

Dzone
07-30-2013, 10:32 PM
Desperate is right. The center situation is going from bad to worse. Or so it appears. That Ravens Interior D line has Ngata and that rookie who is like 400 pounds. Hope the rumors of Ramirez getting rag dolled in practice are not true.

Dapper Dan
07-30-2013, 10:44 PM
I doubt we pull anyone out of retirement. But who knows at this point. Maybe it's the elevation, but we always seem to have too many injuries.

Denver Native (Carol)
07-30-2013, 10:52 PM
The Denver Broncos are considering reuniting Peyton Manning and offensive lineman Ryan Lilja.

Fox Sports reported Tuesday night that the Broncos are talking to Lilja, 31, about ending his retirement. Lilja, who has seen time at guard and center, played with the Chiefs from 2010-12 after his stint with Manning in Indianapolis from 2004-09.

I can see why Denver is interested in Lilja. He is a veteran with experience at center -- and he has a rapport with Manning. In an emergency situation, Denver could do worse than Lilja.

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/60109/report-broncos-want-ryan-lilja

Simple Jaded
07-31-2013, 12:42 AM
Anybody worried about Ramirez giving up A-gap pressure has apparently blocked out memories of Walton and Zane Hannah working together.