Kobe Bryant's Top 5 NBA players of all time.

[Dapper Dan]

“It’s not very difficult for me. I’d go Magic, Jordan, Bird, Russell and Jabbar.
[…]
“I will say as the years go on people really forget how great Larry Bird was,” Bryant said. “He was ridiculous. And I grew up in LA — just like everyone else here — hating his guts. Dude — the guy was just money.”

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/kobe-bryant-walks-again-discloses-time-top-five-205011601.html

[SoCalImport]

Great list. I'm onboard
Though not in that order

[chazoe60]

Lebron James' list would go like this:

LeBron James
L. James
LBJ
LeBron J.
Me(as in LeBron James)











BTB, come out come out wherever you are.

[Northman]

Can't argue with the selections but Jordan would be number one.

[Dapper Dan]

I don't know for certain, but I don't think it was in any kind of order.

I'm pretty happy he said Bird. He's right, a lot of people seem to be forgetting about him. It surprised me that Kobe said that. Makes me like him a little more. He didn't even put himself in there.

[EMB6903]

Larry legend is top 3 of all time.

I'd put Duncan ahead of Russell.

[Ravage!!!]

Chamberlain was completely and utterly unstoppable. Didn't Russell win 11 Championships?

I've also NEVER heard Labron put himself above anyone.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Chamberlain was completely and utterly unstoppable. Didn't Russell win 11 Championships?

I've also NEVER heard Labron put himself above anyone.


Have you ever looked at Chamberlain's numbers? They're ridiculous. He had a string of several years where he averaged about 30 points a game and 25 rebounds a game. Chamberlain averaged as many rebounds as Russel over his career, but averaged at least twice as many points. Statistically speaking, he was a better player than Russel.

[Dapper Dan]

Chamberlain was completely and utterly unstoppable. Didn't Russell win 11 Championships?

I've also NEVER heard Labron put himself above anyone.

I've NEVER heard anyone say he did.

[weazel]

Sam Bowie... best of all time!

[BroncoWave]

I've NEVER heard anyone say he did.

Refer to post #3 of this thread.

[Poet]

It's a hard list to make. When I first make the list in my head it's Jordan, Magic, Bird, Kareem and Russel/Wilt.

[chazoe60]

I wasn't around to watch Russell or Chamberlin so for me the best Center would be Hakeem. Holy shit, that guy could do it all and unlike a lot of the best Centers he had a deadly midrange game. His post up, turn around jumper from 8-12 feet was deadly.

[Poet]

I wasn't around to watch Russell or Chamberlin so for me the best Center would be Hakeem. Holy shit, that guy could do it all and unlike a lot of the best Centers he had a deadly midrange game. His post up, turn around jumper from 8-12 feet was deadly.

He murdered Shaq in the finals. He fasted for religious purposes one night and went out the next game and dropped like 30 points on the other team. He's a class act and a good dude.

[chazoe60]

He murdered Shaq in the finals. He fasted for religious purposes one night and went out the next game and dropped like 30 points on the other team. He's a class act and a good dude.

That was the last generation of basketball that I truly enjoyed watching. I really liked Hakeem.

[Poet]

If I had to pick a center [for an all-time best team], I would take Olajuwon. That leaves out Shaq, Patrick Ewing. It leaves out Wilt Chamberlain. It leaves out a lot of people. And the reason I would take Olajuwon is very simple: he is so versatile because of what he can give you from that position. It's not just his scoring, not just his rebounding or not just his blocked shots. People don't realize he was in the top seven in steals. He always made great decisions on the court. For all facets of the game, I have to give it to him.
—Michael Jordan

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

If I had to pick a center [for an all-time best team], I would take Olajuwon. That leaves out Shaq, Patrick Ewing. It leaves out Wilt Chamberlain. It leaves out a lot of people. And the reason I would take Olajuwon is very simple: he is so versatile because of what he can give you from that position. It's not just his scoring, not just his rebounding or not just his blocked shots. People don't realize he was in the top seven in steals. He always made great decisions on the court. For all facets of the game, I have to give it to him.
—Michael Jordan

I've said for a long time Hakeem is the best I've ever seen. He's also the only guy I've ever seen block Kareem's sky hook.

[Dzone]

Hondo!!!!! 8 NBA Titles. 4 championships in his first 4 years in the league. Come on!!!!!

[Poet]

Hondo!!!!! 8 NBA Titles. 4 championships in his first 4 years in the league. Come on!!!!!

???

[Dapper Dan]

Refer to post #3 of this thread.

An obvious attempt to get you to come in and say

"Y u no like LeBron?" As you swing on his nuts.

Or maybe I'm the only one who caught the subtle use of your name in the post.

[Ravage!!!]

Have you ever looked at Chamberlain's numbers? They're ridiculous. He had a string of several years where he averaged about 30 points a game and 25 rebounds a game. Chamberlain averaged as many rebounds as Russel over his career, but averaged at least twice as many points. Statistically speaking, he was a better player than Russel.

Didn't Chamberlain score 100pts in a single game?

[Canmore]

Didn't Chamberlain score 100pts in a single game?

Yes, he scored 100. The next highest game is Kobe Bryant with 81.

[Slick]

Oscar Robertson averaging a triple double?

[EMB6903]

PG-Magic
SG-Jordan
SF-Bird
PF-Duncan
C-Hakeem

[Poet]

Oscar Robertson averaging a triple double?

The Big O killed people.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Didn't Chamberlain score 100pts in a single game?

He owns that record, as Canmore stated, and he also has the record for most rebounds in a game with 50.

[Chillez]

Kobe is top 5 player of all time you actor in his accomplishments, insane longevity, he's been constant elite player for 13+ years meaning top 5 player in NBA. You factor in him holding almost all Lakers franchise records indeed makes him greatest Laker of all time, yes over Earvin "Magic" Johnson. The Lakers greats such as Magic, Shaq, West, Elgin, and Phil Jackson said so and I agree with him. 5x NBA Championships, 2x FMPS, 7x Finals apprentices, 1 RS MVP, 30,000+ points, 4-time NBA All-Star Game MVP, 2-time scoring champion: 2006, 2007,
15-time NBA All-Star, 11× All-NBA First Team, 12-time All-Defensive Team selection, 9× NBA All-Defensive First Team, NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion: 1997, 17-time Player of the Month. I could go on and on but I'll stop here. With what he has done during his career and in his 30's with injuries is amazing.

My top 10 NBA players of all time:

1) MJ
2) Kareem
3) Kobe
4) Magic
5) Russell
6) Wilt
7) Bird
8) Shaq
9) Duncan
10) Hakeem

Feel free to agree or disagree. :hat:

[Poet]

Magic Johnson and Kareem are two Lakers who were greater than Kobe Bryant. Wilt Chamberlain is greater than Kobe Bryant.

[Chillez]

Magic Johnson and Kareem are two Lakers who were greater than Kobe Bryant. Wilt Chamberlain is greater than Kobe Bryant.

Nah, only Magic has a small case. Kobe may be the greatest INDIVIDUAL Laker ever. Kareem Laker career isn't long enough people forget he had as much as success with Bucks playing with Oscar Robinson. Magic extended his career when Kareem was getting up there in age.

All of Kobe franchise records.

Lakers franchise records that Kobe holds:
Most seasons played
17 (1996–1997 to 2012–2013)
Most playoff seasons played
15 (1997 – 2004, 2006 – 2012)
Games
Most career regular-season games played: 1,161[61]
Most career playoff games played: 220[62]
Points
Career: 31,056 (as of February 26, 2013)[63]
Surpassed Jerry West, the previous holder of the record, on February 1, 2010[64]
Career, playoffs: 5,640 (as of May 12, 2011)[63]
Surpassed Jerry West, the previous holder of the record, on April 23, 2010)[65]
Season: 2,832 (2005–06)[9]
Game: 81 (on January 22, 2006 vs. Toronto Raptors)[5][6]
Half: 55 (2nd half, on January 22, 2006 vs. Toronto Raptors)[5]
Quarter: 30 (twice, most recently on November 30, 2006 in 3rd quarter vs. Utah Jazz)[5]
Games scoring 60 points or more, career: 5 (as of March 22, 2011)[66]
Games scoring 50 points or more, career: 24 (as of March 22, 2011)[66]
Games scoring 50 points or more, season: 10 (2006–07)[1]
Games scoring 40 points or more, career: 114 (as of January 13, 2012)[64]
Games scoring 40 points or more, season: 27 (2005–06)[67]
Consecutive games of 50 points or more: 4 (March 16–23, 2007)[68]
Behind Wilt Chamberlain (7 consecutive games five times in 1961–62)[68]
Consecutive games of 40 points or more: 9 (February 6–23, 2003)[69]
Tied with Michael Jordan (1986–87) and behind Wilt Chamberlain (14 consecutive games twice in 1961–62 and 10 consecutive games in 1962–63)[69][70]
Field goals made and attempted
Career attempts: 22,866 (as of November 17, 2012)[63][71]
Career: 10,286 (as of March 9, 2012)[72]
Career, playoffs: 2,014 (as of May 12, 2011)[73]
Career attempts, playoffs: 4,499 (as of May 12, 2011)[74]
Half: 18 (2nd half, on January 22, 2006 vs. Toronto Raptors)[5][75]
Half attempts: 28 (tied with Elgin Baylor; on November 17, 2002 at Boston Celtics)[75]
Half, playoffs: 12 (tied with Elgin Baylor; on April 20, 2003 at Minnesota Timberwolves)[76]
Quarter: 11 (twice, most recently on January 22, 2006 vs. Toronto Raptors)[75]
Quarter attempts, playoffs: 13 (tied with 3 players; on May 13, 2003 at San Antonio Spurs)[76]
Free throws made and attempted
Career: 7,463 (as of November 17, 2012)[63][72]
Career attempts: 8,903 (as of November 17, 2012)
Career, playoffs: 1,320 (as of June 18, 2011)[62][77]
Career attempts, playoffs: 1,617 (as of June 18, 2011)[62]
Game: 23 (twice, most recently on January 31, 2006 vs. New York Knicks)[75][78]
Game, playoffs: 21 (on May 4, 2008 vs. Utah Jazz)[76][79]
Half: 17 (on January 30, 2001 vs. Cleveland Cavaliers)[75]
Quarter: 14 (on February 27, 2007 vs. Utah Jazz)[75]
Quarter, playoffs: 11 (tied with 3 players; on May 8, 1997 vs. Utah Jazz)[76]
Most free throws in a game without a miss, playoffs: 18 (May 18, 2012)
Consecutive: 62 (January 11–22, 2006)[5][75]
Three-point field goals made and attempted
Career: 1,521 (as of November 17, 2012)[1][75]
Career, playoffs: 292 (as of March 9, 2012)[80]
Game: 12 (on January 7, 2003 vs. Seattle SuperSonics)[75][81]
Half: 8 (1st half, on March 28, 2003 vs. Washington Wizards)[75][82]
Consecutive: 9 (on January 7, 2003 vs. Seattle SuperSonics)[81]
Career attempts: 4,511 (as of November 17, 2012)[63]
Career attempts, playoffs: 882 (as of June 18, 2011)[37]
Season attempts: 518 (2005–06)[1][75]
Game attempts: 18 (on January 7, 2003 vs. Seattle SuperSonics)[75][81]
Steals
Career: 1,734 (November 17, 2012)
Half: 6 (tied with 3 players; on February 13, 2006 vs. Utah Jazz)[75]
Quarter, playoffs: 3 (five times, tied with 9 players; most recently on June 15, 2008 vs. Boston Celtics)[76]
Minutes played
Career: 42,705 (as of November 17, 2012)[71][83]
Career, playoffs: 8,641 (as of June 18, 2011)[71][84]
Personal Fouls
Career, playoffs: 660 (as of June 18, 2011)
Turnovers
Career: 3509 (as of December 7, 2012)

Kobe> Magic. pure lakers. Kobe had a longer career, led magic in points, rebounds, steals, in just about every stat but assists. Kobe has had a 3 peat and a repeat. Let's not forget that magic never played without another all star teammate during his 12 year career. Kareem and/or James Worthy were always there at his side. How a team that already boasts Kareem and Jamaal Wilkes, among others, gets the number 1 pick in the draft? Beats me. Kareem also never won as a Laker without magic. He also played with James Worthy, another #1 overall draft pick taken merely two yrs after drafting magic #1 and winning the title. Wow. talk about good luck. Kobe had Shaq and vice versa. But Gasol is not on the level of Magic's top 50 teammate Kareem or of Shaq. Yet Kobe lead those teams to 3 finals, winning 2. He also played fantastic after Shaq was traded but didn't have enough help to contend. Kobe played through a rebuilding period that Magic and Kareem never played through. Shaq dominated once the team was good enough to compete. Yet they didn't become contenders until Kobe became a prominent player. Coincidence? I don't think so. Shaq depended on Kobe in the clutch and he delivered. If Shaq was a 19yr old and Kobe was the established star would he have quietly taken 2nd place in the pecking order? No. Shaq's personality is such that he's always felt that he was the 1st option and could not stomach the idea that Kobe was approaching his superstar level. Finally, Magic played in 9 finals in 12 yrs but went 5 for 9. Kobe is currently 5 for 7 in the finals. Better defender? Better shooter? Better scorer? Better penetrator? More clutch? Longevity? Kobe. Better leader? better teammate? better passer? Magic. Kobe wins this debate overall. Back story on kobe played with the best big in modern era and had 48-16, in a close out game. In 02-03 when Shaq got hurt Kobe ripped off 9 straight games of 40 plus and dragged the lakers into the playoffs. He averaged 35 ppg and took Smush and garbage players in a STACKED western conference to almost 50 wins. Kobe is also a international icon with the highest jersey sales globally. Kobe has been better for longer. Done more with less. It's such a shame Magic career in the end was cut short due to HIV but he has no one to blame but himself for putting himself in terrible situation. It is what it is.

[Poet]

Kareem dominated the league as a Laker in a way that hasn't been done since. Magic is the greatest passer the league has ever seen. He made everyone on his team better. Kobe doesn't make players on his team better. You can argue that he did later in his career, and I wouldn't say that it's an unfair statement, though I disagree. Even then, it took a long time for that to happen.

As far as the all-star argument goes, that's typical of any team that has title aspirations. Kobe didn't do squat without Shaq until they got Pau. As far as Kobe vs Shaq, the consenus seems to be that Shaq was better then, but overall Kobe was the better player. As far as Magic's terrible situation goes, he was having sex. He was having sex in a time where AIDS wasn't all that well-known. I'm not so sure if that could be qualified as a terrible situation.


As far as Magic's game versus Kobe's game, I'm going to take Magic all day. If you're telling me that one guy is a great scorer, is often selfish, and has an incredible array of scoring abilities, I can live with it. If you tell me that another guy is a good scorer, a decent defender, the greatest passer the league has ever seen and he makes good players great and great players greater, I'm taking Magic Johnson. So much of Kobe's argument is centered on what he was for himself. That's fine. We're talking about individuals. But when an individual makes other's play rise to levels like Magic, I'm not taking too many guys ahead of him, and Kobe isn't one of them.


I also don't think it's fair to say that Kobe did more with less. Kobe won how many rings with one of the greatest centers ever? Kobe bombed out until Pao and Bynum turned into good players. When the Lakers won a title, they had the most talented team in the NBA. What you're arguing just isn't accurate, at least to me.

The 5 -9 vs 5-7 argument is a decent one.

I also don't understand the global part and jersey sales matter?

[Chillez]

Kareem dominated the league as a Laker in a way that hasn't been done since. Magic is the greatest passer the league has ever seen. He made everyone on his team better. Kobe doesn't make players on his team better. You can argue that he did later in his career, and I wouldn't say that it's an unfair statement, though I disagree. Even then, it took a long time for that to happen.

I find that statement laughable players like Pau who was 0-16 in playoffs before joining the Lakers Kobe put him over the top. Players who have had career years playing with Kobe statistically goes as follows Lamar Odom, Pau Gasol, Andrew Bynum, Shaq, just on top of my head.

As far as the all-star argument goes, that's typical of any team that has title aspirations. Kobe didn't do squat without Shaq until they got Pau. As far as Kobe vs Shaq, the consenus seems to be that Shaq was better then, but overall Kobe was the better player. As far as Magic's terrible situation goes, he was having sex. He was having sex in a time where AIDS wasn't all that well-known. I'm not so sure if that could be qualified as a terrible situation.

Kobe had terrible D-league type players 06/07 such as Kwame Brown, Luke Walton, Brian Cook, Smush Parker. Kobe almost pulled off upset against the number one team in Phoenix Suns that season. Kobe peak and prime career were wasted on garbage players that season were out of the NBA. Where are they now? Lakers were going against stacked western conference teams like Spurs, Suns, Mavericks, with earlier 2000's teams with Kings, Blazers that decade (2000's) overall was stacked compared to weaker East.

As far as Magic's game versus Kobe's game, I'm going to take Magic all day. If you're telling me that one guy is a great scorer, is often selfish, and has an incredible array of scoring abilities, I can live with it. If you tell me that another guy is a good scorer, a decent defender, the greatest passer the league has ever seen and he makes good players great and great players greater, I'm taking Magic Johnson. So much of Kobe's argument is centered on what he was for himself. That's fine. We're talking about individuals. But when an individual makes other's play rise to levels like Magic, I'm not taking too many guys ahead of him, and Kobe isn't one of them.

That's cool. Magic was fan favorite so no surprise you picked Magic. It's funny Kobe for his career average averaged less than 3 shots a game compared to immortal MJ who was never labelled selfish and ballhog. No, Kobe argument is having better accolades and statically better than Magic as I posted above all franchise records Kobe accomplished. I have Magic at #4 his career was only 12 years which isn't long. No offense to Magic but he never had few months as good as this. Just another incredible game over the greatest scoring stretch in NBA history: Kobe Bryant 62pts in 3quarters vs Dirk's Mavs. Kobe had to be restrained during the 4th quarter or could of had maybe another 80 point game. I might add that team was great defenselessly and made the NBA finals that year against the Miami Heat.

2005-2007:
34 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 APG/27 PER/115 ORTG/57% TS
45 40+ pt games
18 50+ pt games
5 60+ pt games
4 different months averaging 40+ PPG

Yes, those were better scoring averages then MJ ever had. If you want compare era's.

1987, 1988, 1989

Average points per game 109.9, 108.2, 109.2
Average offensive rating 108.3, 108.0, 107.8

2005, 2006, 2007

Average points per game 97.2, 97.0, 98.7
Average offensive rating 106.1, 106.2, 106.5

I also don't think it's fair to say that Kobe did more with less. Kobe won how many rings with one of the greatest centers ever? Kobe bombed out until Pao and Bynum turned into good players. When the Lakers won a title, they had the most talented team in the NBA. What you're arguing just isn't accurate, at least to me.

The 5 -9 vs 5-7 argument is a decent one.

I also don't understand the global part and jersey sales matter?

Typical Kobe hater response bombed out? How please explain. Just that Kobe is most popular player globally in NBA history yes over MJ. My answers above are in bold.

Kobe won 3 with Shaq? What did Shaq win without having some of best perimeter guards in NBA history? Nothing. The dude was blessed playing with Penny Hardaway, Dwayne Wade, and Kobe. Shaq won one ring without Kobe but Kobe won two without Shaq. So that equals Kobe > Shaq.

Shaq held Kobe back scoring wise big time. I remember the game in 2002 when he scored 56 in 3 quarters against Memphis. I remember Shaq was out and I was like,this should be fun. Bam. 56 in 3 quarters. So stupid Kobe doesn't have a 70 point game. He was on pace for it so many times. Without Shaq, he'd likely have like 10 career 70 point games. The reality is, Kobe should've had his own team since he was 21. Season 00/01. He was more than ready. I think Kobe became the lakers #1 in 2003 but it was still a Shaq centric triangle at that point. Only when Phil came back the second time, he had Kobe as a centerpiece of the offense.

But no regrets I guess. Kobe's great as it is. Felt he could've been even more, perhaps much more but worked out in the end and it's all that matters.

[Poet]

I'm not a Kobe hater. It does seem pretty telling that you're quick to call anyone who disagrees with you a "Kobe hater."


Why are you comparing Jordan to Kobe for scoring? Jordan is tied first all-time for points per game. You can make fun of Pau and company all you want. I'm sorry, Kobe didn't win until he got there. Pao was very good for the Lakers during their title years. He was a good player before Kobe as well. When the Pao trade was made, I remember on t.v. a color commentator said that one NBA GM called that trade highway robbery. You didn't do much to discredit my argument.

As far as the ballhog term goes. Take it up with pretty much everyone else who watched Kobe play in his era. http://www.sportsgrid.com/nba/kobe-bryant-essentially-admits-hes-a-ball-hog/ How many articles like that can I find? A lot. A lot of them. During his prime years a lot of analysts called him the best player in the game. I think he was. But a lot of analysts said that Duncan was the best player in the NBA because he was a great defender, a great rebounder, a seven footer, a great passing big man, and just an all around better player for the team. There's some truth to that as well.

As far as the Magic being a fan favorite and that's why I picked him, dude, you're showing your incredible bias. You're also showing your short-sighted view here. All you're doing is arguing points. You're judging your view point off of points and points alone. I don't care if a player has a ton of fifty point games, 60 point games or seventy point games. If that's the criteria than Wilt's better than Kobe too. Wilt had a 100 point game. http://nbahoopsonline.com/History/Leagues/NBA/pointsingame.html Look at that list of most points per game. Wilt Chamberlain is that list. That category might as well be named "Wilt Chamberlain and a couple other guys." And if we're going to do the rings talk, then certainly Russell is ahead of just about everyone, including Kobe, right?


I don't think you're going to see Kobe in the top five of many people's lists, Chillez.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/lists/Top-10-players-in-NBA-history#photo-title=Michael+Jordan+%25281984-2003%2529&photo=30219324

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1665043-ranking-the-nbas-top-15-players-of-all-time


Those are far from the gospel, but I went through a couple other lists and sometimes didn't even see Bryant in the top ten, let alone top three. And let's be honest, when it's all said and done, a lot of people are going to be arguing for LeBron James to be higher than Kobe as well. I might not agree with that as I much prefer Kobe to LBJ, but it's true.

[Chillez]

I'm not a Kobe hater. It does seem pretty telling that you're quick to call anyone who disagrees with you a "Kobe hater."


Why are you comparing Jordan to Kobe for scoring? Jordan is tied first all-time for points per game. You can make fun of Pau and company all you want. I'm sorry, Kobe didn't win until he got there. Pao was very good for the Lakers during their title years. He was a good player before Kobe as well. When the Pao trade was made, I remember on t.v. a color commentator said that one NBA GM called that trade highway robbery. You didn't do much to discredit my argument.

As far as the ballhog term goes. Take it up with pretty much everyone else who watched Kobe play in his era. http://www.sportsgrid.com/nba/kobe-bryant-essentially-admits-hes-a-ball-hog/ How many articles like that can I find? A lot. A lot of them. During his prime years a lot of analysts called him the best player in the game. I think he was. But a lot of analysts said that Duncan was the best player in the NBA because he was a great defender, a great rebounder, a seven footer, a great passing big man, and just an all around better player for the team. There's some truth to that as well.

As far as the Magic being a fan favorite and that's why I picked him, dude, you're showing your incredible bias. You're also showing your short-sighted view here. All you're doing is arguing points. You're judging your view point off of points and points alone. I don't care if a player has a ton of fifty point games, 60 point games or seventy point games. If that's the criteria than Wilt's better than Kobe too. Wilt had a 100 point game. http://nbahoopsonline.com/History/Leagues/NBA/pointsingame.html Look at that list of most points per game. Wilt Chamberlain is that list. That category might as well be named "Wilt Chamberlain and a couple other guys." And if we're going to do the rings talk, then certainly Russell is ahead of just about everyone, including Kobe, right?


I don't think you're going to see Kobe in the top five of many people's lists, Chillez.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/lists/Top-10-players-in-NBA-history#photo-title=Michael+Jordan+%25281984-2003%2529&photo=30219324

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1665043-ranking-the-nbas-top-15-players-of-all-time


Those are far from the gospel, but I went through a couple other lists and sometimes didn't even see Bryant in the top ten, let alone top three. And let's be honest, when it's all said and done, a lot of people are going to be arguing for LeBron James to be higher than Kobe as well. I might not agree with that as I much prefer Kobe to LBJ, but it's true.

That's cool whatever you say. You are showing your biased in this thread. I showed you actually facts and evidence. You have few articles. At same time I see more that say Kobe is greatest Laker of all time and in top 5. Most of world as Kobe in top 5. In an annual survey of NBA general managers, Bryant was selected in 2012 for the 10th consecutive season as the player they most wanted taking the shot with the game on the line. Both Sporting News and TNT named Bryant the NBA player of the 2000s (decade). MJ himself says Kobe is only player in NBA history past or present that deserves comparisons to himself. No offense but your basketball knowledge is lacking here you said Kobe wasn't winner until Pau Gasol arrived. What? Last I checked Kobe was 3x NBA champion before the Pau Gasol trade. Wilt is amazing but he was post season failure who only ended up winning 2 rings he should of had more. Wilt scored 100 against 5"8 unathletic white dudes in 50's, 60's, and 70's era the athletes today are way more evolved and athletic. I guarantee you Wilt would be dominate today but not near of what he was back then. Here is great article on it. Kobe 81 game > Wilt 100.
Still, Kobe's 81 was better.The Mamba took 17 fewer shots, 12 fewer free throws, didn't have his team fouling to get him the ball, had fewer possessions and still only came up 19 short of Wilt. He scored 55 points after halftime. That's only 14 short of Jordan's career-high. Forget what math and maybe common sense tells you. Eight-one is greater than 100.
http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/35060192 Kobe was more impressive overall.

Kobe is very good to great passer when he wants to be. It's just more natural for him to shoot first pass second. Kobe has led his team in assists every year, except one, for over a decade.

Playoff Assists amongst non-point guards:
Larry Bird 1062
Scottie Pippen 1048
Kobe Bryant 1040

"Kobe's become the floor leader of a basketball team that was kind of looking for that nature of a player, who could not only be a scorer, but also be a playmaker or consistently make big plays at critical times," Jackson said. "So it was very important for Kobe to step into that role that he was envisioned at. I've always held the bar up very high for Kobe, and he's not only reached that bar, but he's jumping over the top of it right now.

"And I think it's the best that I've ever seen a player of mine play with an overall court game. I'm asking him to do so much, and he's accomplishing it."

Jackson was quickly asked for a clarification. That includes Michael Jordan?


"I never asked Michael to be a playmaker," Jackson said. "That's the greatest player that I've ever had, that I could consider the greatest player in the game, and I never asked him to be a playmaker in those terms. I asked him to be playmaker when he was doubled or tripled. But Kobe has to set up the offense, to advance the ball, to read the defense, to make other players happy, and he's doing a great job of that." - Phil Jackson 2001

Kobe has been leading SG for assist year in and year out most of his career. He has 6,000 career assist. Not bad for one dimensional player according to you. :rolleyes:

Here are some stats for you on Kobe and Shaq years.

Shaq & Kobe were 1A/1B in 2001 & 2002

2001 NBA Playoffs
Shaq - 30.4 ppg, 15.4 rpg, 3.2 apg, 55.5 FG%, 56.4 TS%
Kobe - 29.4 ppg, 7.3 rpg, 6.1 apg, 46.9 FG%, 55.5 TS%

2002 NBA Playoffs
Shaq - 28.5 ppg, 12.6 rpg, 2.8 apg, 52.9 FG%, 56.9 TS%
Kobe - 26.6 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 4.6 apg, 43.4 FG%, 51.1 TS%

Kobe led the lakers in PPG and APG through through entire Western Conference Playoffs in 2001 and 2002

2001 NBA Playoffs - First 3 Rounds
Kobe - 31.6 PPG, 7.0 RPG, 6.3 APG, .492 FG%
Shaq - 29.3 PPG, 15.3 RPG, 2.5 APG, .547 FG%

2002 NBA Playoffs - First 3 Rounds
Kobe - 26.6 PPG, 5.8 RPG, 4.4 APG, .418 FG%
Shaq - 26.4 PPG, 12.7 RPG, 2.6 APG, .510 FG%

Kobe led the Lakers in PPG and APG in 2/4 series in 2001 and 2/4 series in 2002. A total of 4/8 series both years combined.

2001 Western Conf Semifnals
2001 Western Conf Finals
2002 Western Conf 1st Round
2002 Western Conf Semifinals

Kobe led the Lakers in Field Goals Made in the 2nd Half and 4th Quarters of the 2002 NBA Playoffs

2002 NBA Playoffs - 2nd Half+OT
Bryant - 97/214 FG, 17/37 3PT, 45.3 FG%, 49.3 eFG%, 45.9 3PT% in 19 games
O'Neal - 85/186 FG, 0/0 3PT, 45.7 FG%, 45.7 eFG%, 0.0 3PT% in 19 games

2002 NBA Playoffs - 4th Quarter+OT
Bryant - 52/106 FG, 12/24 3PT, 49.1 FG%, 54.7 eFG%, 50.0 3PT% in 19 games
O'Neal - 32/85 FG, 0/0 3PT, 37.6 FG%, 37.6 eFG%, 0.0 3PT% in 18 games

IMO.. they were equally great players who played off each other's strengths.

When comes to MJ he had a better supporting cast than Kobe's 2009 and 2010 Lakers. Here are few videos.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVWFIGhD980

Better yet let's ask the guy that coached both MJ and Kobe in their prime for majority of their careers. He saw both play while winning 11 rings between the two. GOAT NBA coach.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_WNTx3gG_s

Here is more. The great Jerry West. Better known as the logo of the NBA.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00o74m6PgN8

Better yet let's ask greatest NCAA basketball coach of all-time his opinion. The legendary John Wooden. The guy only watched all of greatest basketball players in last 80 years.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30ElUmrpZEU

Let's ask biggest Laker hater in the NBA media who has criticized and nit picked Kobe for years and the man who hates Kobe with burning passion. Charles Barkley opinion.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECOmXYiQPmI

Should I keep going or are you done? I can do this all day. Greatest basketball coaches and players in NBA history view on Kobe Bryant >>> Your opinion.

[Chillez]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anoqbgOZrEg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxYZAgKRtM8


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtGJSiMqpWk


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfUPkz7ALHw

http://www.foxsportswest.com/02/07/12/Is-Kobe-Bryant-the-greatest-Laker-of-all/mobile_landing.html?blockID=661658


Dr J says if he had to pick between LeBron and Kobe he picks ... Bryant. Says Kobe 1 of top 5 players of all time. Link: https://twitter.com/APgelston/statuses/342459966164180993

There's a reason Julius Erving is referred to as Dr. J, he's one of the smartest basketball player in the history of the game. not surprised by his comment at all, clearly knowledgeable.


Dirk Nowitzki: Kobe Bryant 'number one player' over last 15 years.

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/feb/13/sports/la-sp-ln-dirk-nowitzki-kobe-bryant-number-one-20130213


Miami Heat’s Dwyane Wade Says ‘Kobe Is Greatest Of Our Era”

http://www.sportscity.com/miami-heats-dwyane-wade-says-kobe-is-greatest-of-our-era/2013/02/15/

Larry Bird expounds on his choice of Kobe Bryant over LeBron James

When Larry Bird speaks, it’s still a big deal.


When Bird chooses Kobe Bryant over LeBron James as the modern-day player he would like to have had as a teammate — as the Indiana Pacers team president did on ESPN.com in March — the choice resonates.

“Well, probably Kobe,” Bird told Bill Simmons at the time. “Because of the fact that … well, of course he wouldn’t have been shooting as much as he does now … but his desire to win, his dedication to always get better, and he’s just, he’s just tough. He’s just a tough cat.”

Bird added that “if you want to have fun, like I did with Bill Walton, [you] play with LeBron. It would have probably been more fun to play with LeBron, but if you want to win and win and win, it’s Kobe. Not that LeBron’s not a winner, just that [Kobe's] mindset is to go into every practice, every game, to get better.”

In light of all the shots and slights LeBron has absorbed since relocating to Miami two summers ago, I asked Bird about those comments on Monday.


“I’ve been a Kobe fan since he was a little kid,” Bird told me. ”I coached against Kobe [in the 2000 NBA Finals]. They made a lot out of that. I said if you want to have fun, you play with Bill Walton. Me and Bill Walton won the most games we ever played. We had a blast doing it. We knew we were going to win a championship. That’s just the way it is.

“But Kobe has always been my favorite, ever since he was a little kid coming into this league. I played against his dad. But LeBron is just spectacular.”

And how would things have gone if Bird and LeBron had matched up against each other in some Tupac Hologram Time Traveler’s Association?

“I would have loved to have played against all these guys,” Bird said with a wry smile. “That’s what competitors do. They like to play against the best. I played with some great ones and obviously LeBron is great. I had an opportunity to play against great players. I enjoyed it.”

Link: http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_seasonticket/2012/05/larry-bird-expounds-on-his-choice-of-kobe-bryant-over-lebron-james.html

Let's look here on Robert Horry view on Kobe. Don't forget he played with all three Shaq, Kobe, and Duncan during his playing career. Audio interview.

He has it as follows.
1) Kobe
2) Duncan
3) Shaq

Career and peak play. Wow who would of guessed that? :pop2:

http://nyc.podcast.play.it/media/d0/d0/d1/d2/dW/d7/dO/12W7O_3.MP3

[Chillez]

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[Dapper Dan]

I bet it was pretty cool back in the day with the best dunkers like MJ would be in the dunk contest and the best shooter like Bird would be in the 3pt shootout.

[Chillez]

I bet it was pretty cool back in the day with the best dunkers like MJ would be in the dunk contest and the best shooter like Bird would be in the 3pt shootout.

Agreed. I miss both MJ and Bird, he was a amazing player sucks he got bad back during end of his career around 1900 and was forced to retire soon after.

[Chillez]

Another cool video.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v27Hk5OIe-k

Jason Kidd. The Best Player I Ever Played Against. MJ and Kobe are top 2 hardest to guard.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDfGaV6Da_g

You showed us.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TXXeONnzs0

[Chillez]

NBA coaching legend Phil Jackson is something of an authority on what it takes to win championships, but he typically hasn't weighed in on the more contentious basketball topics about which players are best or give their teams the best chance to win. In promoting his new book "Eleven Rings: The Soul of Success," Jackson has switched up his approach and made some stronger statements on these debates. For instance, he's directly compared Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant for the first time ever, adding to an argument that probably won't stop even after science allows us to pit their clones against each other in hand-to-hand combat.


Jackson dodged when asked to select between Jordan and Lakers guard Kobe Bryant, whom he coached to five titles between 2000 and 2010.

“I would flip a coin,” he said. “Whichever one came up heads or tails, I’d take that person. They were that good.”


Bill Russell “In my estimation, the guy that has to be there would be Bill Russell. He has won 11 championships as a player,” Jackson said in an interview with Time. “That’s really the idea of what excellence is, when you win championships

Link: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/phil-jackson-says-d-bill-russell-over-michael-004452630.html

[atwater27]

Wow. Someone wants Kobe deep inside them. Obsess much?

[atwater27]

**** the Lakers anyways. They buy their team every year. Nice to see them get burned with Howard. They will suck for awhile, and that is alright with me.

[Chillez]

Wow. Someone wants Kobe deep inside them. Obsess much?

Nah, just speaking the truth here. Haters gonna hate. Anyone that makes dumb and stupid comments without facts or little b-ball knowledge. Is enough for me.

[BroncoJoe]

Rapist.

[Chillez]

**** the Lakers anyways. They buy their team every year. Nice to see them get burned with Howard. They will suck for awhile, and that is alright with me.

Home of 16 NBA championships. Arguably greatest franchise in sports history only the Yankees have a case. Truth hurts. You sound jelly.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7dycehEK51qhu61y.jpg

[Chillez]

Rapist.

That was so 10+ years ago. Come on man, get some new material that's irreverent. Anyways, Kobe never committed rape he was found innocent of rape charges against him, he just committed adultery.

[Chillez]

This place sure has some Laker haters. Sad, the Lakers have destroyed your favorite teams for last decade or longer. Jealousy sucks.

[BroncoJoe]

Bandwagon fans are fun.

[Chillez]

Bandwagon fans are fun.

I've been Lakers fan for 15+ years try again.

[EMB6903]

Kobe is top 5 player of all time you actor in his accomplishments, insane longevity, he's been constant elite player for 13+ years meaning top 5 player in NBA. You factor in him holding almost all Lakers franchise records indeed makes him greatest Laker of all time, yes over Earvin "Magic" Johnson. The Lakers greats such as Magic, Shaq, West, Elgin, and Phil Jackson said so and I agree with him. 5x NBA Championships, 2x FMPS, 7x Finals apprentices, 1 RS MVP, 30,000+ points, 4-time NBA All-Star Game MVP, 2-time scoring champion: 2006, 2007,
15-time NBA All-Star, 11× All-NBA First Team, 12-time All-Defensive Team selection, 9× NBA All-Defensive First Team, NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion: 1997, 17-time Player of the Month. I could go on and on but I'll stop here. With what he has done during his career and in his 30's with injuries is amazing.

My top 10 NBA players of all time:

1) MJ
2) Kareem
3) Kobe
4) Magic
5) Russell
6) Wilt
7) Bird
8) Shaq
9) Duncan
10) Hakeem

Feel free to agree or disagree. :hat:

Kobe over magic and bird is a joke.

[Chillez]

Kobe over magic and bird is a joke.

Nope it isn't Kobe has solid case and was better than both. Career wise, statically, stats, accolades, and accomplishments are all in his favor.

Then you factor in that those teammates Bird was playing well with happened to be 3 other Hall of Famers, well it becomes quite clear that Kobe has been better.

All of birds second options for his championship runs >>>> Pau.
And done give me the Andrew Bynum argument. Dude never averaged double digit points for either of the Lakers championship runs. Both were great scores/players. Kobe was probably the better individual player. He plays better defense and is the better scorer. You could argue that Bird could score a lot too, but choose not to as much, but Kobe had a better scoring arsenal to me. Also, Kobe hasn't retired just yet, he is still working on his total resume.

[atwater27]

Funny you mentioned the Yankees. The other team that buys their championships. Or at least tries every year to buy them. Those championships aren't from L.A. being great, they are from L.A. having more money. Next.

[Chillez]

Funny you mentioned the Yankees. The other team that buys their championships. Or at least tries every year to buy them. Those championships aren't from L.A. being great, they are from L.A. having more money. Next.

Huge difference being is MLB has NO salary cap while the NBA currently does. The Yankees have munch bigger pay role than any other sports team in North America. Lakers have drafted some all-time greats such as Jerry West, Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant, James Worthy, Elgin Baylor, etc. Those were homegrown talent the Lakers produced they weren't bought through FA or past rookie trades.

[MOtorboat]

Huge difference being is MLB has NO salary cap while the NBA currently does. The Yankees have munch bigger pay role than any other sports team in North America. Lakers have drafted some all-time greats such as Jerry West, Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant, James Worthy, Elgin Baylor, etc. Those were homegrown talent the Lakers produced they weren't bought through FA or past rookie trades.

MLB is instituting a luxury tax similar to the NBA's and the Yankees are preparing to shed payroll to get to that luxury tax. It should be noted that the core group of the 1990s Championships for the Yankees were nearly all home-grown. Derek Jeter, Jorge Posada, Mariano Rivera, etc. They bought guys like Tino Martinez and Alex Rodriguez (through trade), just as the Lakers bought Shaq or Jabbar (through trade).

They are basically the same team, just different sports.

[Chillez]

MLB is instituting a luxury tax similar to the NBA's and the Yankees are preparing to shed payroll to get to that luxury tax. It should be noted that the core group of the 1990s Championships for the Yankees were nearly all home-grown. Derek Jeter, Jorge Posada, Mariano Rivera, etc. They bought guys like Tino Martinez and Alex Rodriguez (through trade), just as the Lakers bought Shaq or Jabbar (through trade).

They are basically the same team, just different sports.

Gotcha. Thanks for the info. When is MLB going start the luxury tax? I'm curious to see what range will be per club. This is great news as whole making MLB more wide open. Gives the small markets a chance to win. I love the idea.

[MOtorboat]

Gotcha. Thanks for the info. When is MLB going start the luxury tax? This is great news as whole making MLB more wide open. Gives the small markets a chance to win.

2015, I think.

[Chillez]

2015, I think.

Sweet. I hope it improves the product to mainstream media and fans. It seems like MLB as taken backseat to NFL and NBA in North America over last say 10 years or so. Sad, to see since it was at one point most popular sport and America's great past time game.

[EMB6903]

Nope it isn't Kobe has solid case and was better than both. Career wise, statically, stats, accolades, and accomplishments are all in his favor.

Then you factor in that those teammates Bird was playing well with happened to be 3 other Hall of Famers, well it becomes quite clear that Kobe has been better.

All of birds second options for his championship runs >>>> Pau.
And done give me the Andrew Bynum argument. Dude never averaged double digit points for either of the Lakers championship runs. Both were great scores/players. Kobe was probably the better individual player. He plays better defense and is the better scorer. You could argue that Bird could score a lot too, but choose not to as much, but Kobe had a better scoring arsenal to me. Also, Kobe hasn't retired just yet, he is still working on his total resume.


Kobe has what 2 scoring titles? 1 league MVP?

He won 5 titles yet was only finals MVP in 2 of those.

It's not even close.

[atwater27]

Shaq wants to know how his ass tastes.

[Poet]

Laker hater ='s not agreeing with chill.

[EMB6903]

Bird was a much better rebounder and passer than Kobe along with being a better shooter.

Decision making goes to Larry as well. You can take Kobe and his garbage fg% in clutch situations over bird but you'd be foolish. In the 4th quarter ill take bird any day.

Magic shouldn't even be an argument either. He's the greatest laker of all time.

[Dapper Dan]

You can tell how much basketball is different from football. If one quarterback had 6 Super Bowls, 6 Super Bowl MVPs, 5 league MVPs, and 14 Pro Bowls...I don't think it would even be a question.

[atwater27]

That's why basketball sucks compared to football. You can get a superteam and dominate for a decade. There isn't the depth of players or good coaches or a fair system to encourage parity.

[MOtorboat]

That's why basketball sucks compared to football. You can get a superteam and dominate for a decade. There isn't the depth of players or good coaches or a fair system to encourage parity.

Since 2000 eight NFL teams have won a championship and six NBA teams have won a championship.

Yes, it's easier to maintain a good team longer in the NBA simply because of the nature of the game (only five players on the court, vs. 11, and because players play both ways), but I wouldn't say that the system is unfair because of that or that there aren't good coaches.

[Dapper Dan]

And basketball is gay.

[Chillez]

Bird was a much better rebounder and passer than Kobe along with being a better shooter.

Decision making goes to Larry as well. You can take Kobe and his garbage fg% in clutch situations over bird but you'd be foolish. In the 4th quarter ill take bird any day.

Magic shouldn't even be an argument either. He's the greatest laker of all time.

One has to take into account the durability of both...Kobe has been playing at a high level longer than Bird did. Bird was of course the purer shooter. Kobe is a much better scorer. Kobe's the better defender. Clutchness might be close to a tie, they both hit countless big shots. Bird was also notorious for making clutch plays that didn't necessarily involve scoring (like that famous steal and assist a gains Detroit). Bird was a better team player IMO, but Kobe's basketball skills are superior. People like to say "Bird had more of an all-around game" because he averaged more rebounds and assists. IMO that doesn't necessarily = all around. All around can be about skills. Is a guy who is among the best post players ever (best guard post player IMO), that has insane range, that was among the best athletes in the L for years, that mastered the mid-range shot like few ever did (...) not an all around player? Or is it about stats? Kobe's basketball talent > Bird's. Clearly. That logic aside, Kobe's athleticism and all-around game make him a better player too. In his prime, nobody could guard him one on one - not without him dropping 50. And as for defense and rebounds and passing -- Kobe's abilities in those regards are better than his numbers, since his role was mostly to score. But we have seen him have 14 assists, 15 or more rebounds (in game 7 of the finals, no less), and hit double-digit 3s. We have also seen him guard SFs, SGs, and PGs, including guys like Westbrook, Rondo, Parker, Bron, Pierce. My other point is Bird is the purer shooter (in terms of efficiency & consistency), while Kobe is the more complete, versatile shooter (in terms of ways to get a shot up). Bird will make more open shots, but Kobe will make tougher shots. Also, IMO when Kobe "gets hot", he becomes a better shooter than Bird, since not only can he make all kinds of shots with great degree of difficulty, but he becomes more "pure" as a shooter and starts hitting everything. Kobe wins this debate between the two.

[Chillez]

And basketball is gay.

Basketball is 2nd greatest sport on earth. You're crazy. :shocked:

[Dapper Dan]

Basketball is 2nd greatest sport on earth. You're crazy. :shocked:

Yeah. But it's a far second.

[Poet]

Hockey is way better than basketball.

[Dapper Dan]

Hockey is way better than basketball.

If you're Canadian. Or Communist.

[Poet]

If you're Canadian. Or Communist.

Or someone who isn't a dumbass. Shut your mouth, Tennessee boy.

[Dapper Dan]

Or someone who isn't a dumbass. Shut your mouth, Tennessee boy.

I'm a Kentucky boy, you buckeye, or whatever you are.

[Poet]

I'm a Kentucky boy, you buckeye, or whatever you are.

How the **** are you a Kentucky boy and root for the worthless pile of monkey shit that is Tennessee? **** you, you communist traitor garbage ****.

[Dapper Dan]

How the **** are you a Kentucky boy and root for the worthless pile of monkey shit that is Tennessee? **** you, you communist traitor garbage ****.

Because I care about football. Something the University of Kentucky has never cared about. They care more about cheer leading.

[Poet]

Because I care about football. Something the University of Kentucky has never cared about. They care more about cheer leading.

Yeah but Tennessee sucks at football.

[Dapper Dan]

Yeah but Tennessee sucks at football.

Yeah. And the Bengals suck too, it hasn't stopped you. Kentucky basketball sucked too.

[Poet]

Yeah. And the Bengals suck too, it hasn't stopped you. Kentucky basketball sucked too.

Actually up until the 90's, the Bengals were a pretty respectable franchise. After the second half of the 2000's, we've been a solid franchise. Just unfortunate to run into the Niners twice in the SB.

[Dapper Dan]

Actually up until the 90's, the Bengals were a pretty respectable franchise. After the second half of the 2000's, we've been a solid franchise. Just unfortunate to run into the Niners twice in the SB.

And yet, Tennessee has a championship in 98, and have been a high caliber, competitive team up until the past 5 years or so. ;)

[Poet]

And yet, Tennessee has a championship in 98, and have been a high caliber, competitive team up until the past 5 years or so. ;)

Cool story bro. The Bengals look strong right now and Tennessee would get rolled by some of the better Ohio high school football teams. :laugh:

[Dapper Dan]

Cool story bro. The Bengals look strong right now and Tennessee would get rolled by some of the better Ohio high school football teams. :laugh:

Yeah. And Alabama could be the Dolphins. Heard that story before.

[Poet]

Yeah. And Alabama could be the Dolphins. Heard that story before.

Well to be fair, what I'm saying is actually correct. :laugh:

[Dapper Dan]

Well to be fair, what I'm saying is actually correct. :laugh:

Hardy har har. Easy to make a claim that can't be tested.

[Poet]

Hardy har har. Easy to make a claim that can't be tested.

It would be tested if the Volunteers would just man up.

[Dapper Dan]

It would be tested if the Volunteers would just man up.

Shit. We already have the toughest schedule in the country pretty much. Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, and Alabama every year. Throw in Oregon this year. I'm not sure we could afford to throw in an inner city Cincy school.

[Poet]

Shit. We already have the toughest schedule in the country pretty much. Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, and Alabama every year. Throw in Oregon this year. I'm not sure we could afford to throw in an inner city Cincy school.

I must admit that you guys play a lot of great programs.

I'd rather watch the Vols play than the NBA.

[Dapper Dan]

I must admit that you guys play a lot of great programs.

I'd rather watch the Vols play than the NBA.

Haha. It's bittersweet. My Vols are always on TV, but we're usually losing 4-5 straight during the middle of that schedule.

There's a lot of things I'd probably watch instead of the NBA. Like real basketball. Maybe some Michael Jordan highlights.

[MOtorboat]

I didn't know Tennessee had a football program.

[Dapper Dan]

I didn't know Tennessee had a football program.

Obviously you don't read the police logs..

[Poet]

I didn't know Tennessee had a football program.

Don't bite my style.

[Chillez]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy5csF3Mc20

Watch the video and try to be objective. It's long but worth watching.

The most diverse offensive threat in the history of the game.

He could do anything on the court, from any spot, with any move, at any time.

[MOtorboat]

Oscar Robertson.

[Poet]

Oscar Robertson.

Mr. Triple Double.

[BroncoJoe]

Mr. Triple Double.

And another black eye for Cincinnati.

;)

[Poet]

And another black eye for Cincinnati.

;)

He was the original Big O. Much better than the shitty one we have now.

[Dapper Dan]

Interesting:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/lebron-james-names-top-three-basketball-players-time-172622319.html
LeBron James names his top three basketball players of all time (Video)



Michael Jordan
Doctor Jay
Larry Bird

"Can I have a 4? Magic Johnson."

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Interesting:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/lebron-james-names-top-three-basketball-players-time-172622319.html
LeBron James names his top three basketball players of all time (Video)





Michael Jordan
Doctor Jay
Larry Bird

"Can I have a 4? Magic Johnson."

All 3's, the position he plays.

[EMB6903]

All 3's, the position he plays.

Jordan was a 2 guard.