PFM's window: we must win while it is open.

[Chef Zambini]

The concept of PFMs window has been a tangent for many a debate.
yes, the broncos must consider the time beyond the window, nobody would argue against that but....

PFM is a huge INVESTMENT!
a 100 MILLION $$$ plus investment !

we have to do all we can to win a lombardi during this "window"
How long will the window last?
Maybe 2 more years, maybe 5 total,regardless....
WE must put a win now mentality at the forefront to match our financial commitment.
and to seize the opportunity!

[Davii]

In other news, the sun MUST shine during the daytime and you MUST shower with the water turned on.

[Dapper Dan]

Bears still shit in the woods.

[MOtorboat]

Gotta make that quota...

[Dapper Dan]

I wonder if the organization wants to win now, tomorrow, next year, or the season after. Maybe they're waiting for Manning to leave. It worked for Tennessee. Go Vols.

[TXBRONC]

No kidding Zam.

[Dreadnought]

I wonder if the organization wants to win now, tomorrow, next year, or the season after. Maybe they're waiting for Manning to leave. It worked for Tennessee. Go Vols.

I am waiting for the Organization to tell me what to think so I can parrot the company line. Until then, no comment.

[SR]

In other news, Captain Obvious was promoted to Major.

[Traveler]

I wonder if the organization wants to win now, tomorrow, next year, or the season after. Maybe they're waiting for Manning to leave. It worked for Tennessee. Go Vols.

With Tee Martin no less....

[Timmy!]

Super cereal?

[Dapper Dan]

With Tee Martin no less....

More accurate than Peyton Manning.

[Northman]

Obvious troll is obvious.

[topscribe]

Obvious troll is obvious.
That was an obvious statement . . . :D
.

[Dapper Dan]

That was an obvious statement . . . :D
.

Your assessment is obvious.

[Chef Zambini]

so if its so "obvious" then no one would argue that a seasoned vet has more value to our roster than a rookie who is not ready to start.
Players that can help us win now take priority over those who must be developed.

[Chef Zambini]

King87, Northman, SeeingRed, Timmy!, TXBRONC davii,
you all think this is so obvious.

[SR]

King87, Northman, SeeingRed, Timmy!, TXBRONC davii,
you all think this is so obvious.

Yeah. It is. You're not a revolutionary. This is not new news. Even the coaching staff has acknowledged this "window".

[shank]

i'm also posting in zam's thread too.

[MOtorboat]

This is about a 12 on the 1-10 No Shit scale.

Congrats on your Epiphany. Gotta meet that quota...

[Chef Zambini]

so how do you justify a second pick for POST Manning?

[BroncoWave]

so how do you justify a second pick for POST Manning?

How does your mother justify the amount of times she dropped you on your head when you were a child?

[MOtorboat]

so how do you justify a second pick for POST Manning?

OHHHHHH. That's your angle...

:derp:

:fart:

Which player drafted AFTER Osweiler last year ensures Denver beats Baltimore and wins the next two games for the Championship?

Answer the question Zam.

[Chef Zambini]

maybe a runningback or safety, no guarantee. but OS did NOTHING to help the broncos win ANY gAME LAST YEAR AND HE WONT DO ANYTHING TO HELP THEM WIN this YEAR. HE IS WORTHLESS UNTIL MANNING IS INCAPABLE.
HE IS NOT A WIN NOW DRAFT PICK !
At best he is a maybe we will win later draft pick... at best.
it was a lame pick in the PFM window !

[Davii]

so how do you justify a second pick for POST Manning?

Because obvious troll is obvious

[MOtorboat]

maybe a runningback or safety, no guarantee. but OS did NOTHING to help the broncos win ANY gAME LAST YEAR AND HE WONT DO ANYTHING TO HELP THEM WIN this YEAR. HE IS WORTHLESS UNTIL MANNING IS INCAPABLE.
HE IS NOT A WIN NOW DRAFT PICK !
At best he is a maybe we will win later draft pick... at best.
it was a lame pick in the PFM window !

No, no, no.

Answer the question. Be specific.

[Davii]

maybe a runningback or safety, no guarantee. but OS did NOTHING to help the broncos win ANY gAME LAST YEAR AND HE WONT DO ANYTHING TO HELP THEM WIN this YEAR. HE IS WORTHLESS UNTIL MANNING IS INCAPABLE.
HE IS NOT A WIN NOW DRAFT PICK !
At best he is a maybe we will win later draft pick... at best.
it was a lame pick in the PFM window !

What Mo said. And :shart:

[SR]

maybe a runningback or safety, no guarantee. but OS did NOTHING to help the broncos win ANY gAME LAST YEAR AND HE WONT DO ANYTHING TO HELP THEM WIN this YEAR. HE IS WORTHLESS UNTIL MANNING IS INCAPABLE.
HE IS NOT A WIN NOW DRAFT PICK !
At best he is a maybe we will win later draft pick... at best.
it was a lame pick in the PFM window !

Then explain the Packers spending a first round pick on Favre's heir apparent. You're not a tool Zam, you're the whole shed.

[ShaneFalco]

http://1389blog.com/pix/Fascism-you-really-think-itll-be-this-obvious.jpg

[TXBRONC]

King87, Northman, SeeingRed, Timmy!, TXBRONC davii,
you all think this is so obvious.

Yes.

[MOtorboat]

Zam...

I'm waiting.

[TXBRONC]

Then explain the Packers spending a first round pick on Favre's heir apparent. You're not a tool Zam, you're the whole shed.

Not a shed but an outhouse.

[Davii]

Zam...

I'm waiting.

Mo, don't do this:

http://immigrationimpact.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/george_bush_holding_breath.jpg

[MOtorboat]

Mo, don't do this:

http://immigrationimpact.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/george_bush_holding_breath.jpg

I think that was just a giant sigh.

:sigh:

:fart:

Be specific, Zam. Come on buddy...

[Dreadnought]

I think that was just a giant sigh.

:sigh:

:fart:

Be specific, Zam. Come on buddy...

Won't happen. He is stumped. His is a difficult task - to never be right, and yet to never be capable of admitting he was wrong. How to accomplish that? I couldn't do it, that's for sure.

[MOtorboat]

Zam, where art thou?

[Dapper Dan]

Hey guys. I'm starting to get the impression that Zam doesn't like the Osweiler pick.

[MOtorboat]

Hey guys. I'm starting to get the impression that Zam doesn't like the Osweiler pick.

Zam is also functionally retarded.

[Simple Jaded]

Every window in my house opens too, it's a pretty nice neighborhood.

[Chef Zambini]

No, no, no.

Answer the question. Be specific.just make your point.
there are no guarantees.

[Chef Zambini]

its not just about brock.
although he is the most glaring example.

I read some posters lamenting about tahing on a vet at the expense of youth and development.
a win now mentality REQUIRES the assembly of players that are ready to play NOW.
to contribute NOW.
If that means a savvy vet over a rookie with potential, so be it !

[MOtorboat]

its not just about brock.
although he is the most glaring example.

I read some posters lamenting about tahing on a vet at the expense of youth and development.
a win now mentality REQUIRES the assembly of players that are ready to play NOW.
to contribute NOW.
If that means a savvy vet over a rookie with potential, so be it !

Name the rookie who would have guaranteed the Super Bowl victory had they taken him over Osweiler. Be specific.


just make your point.
there are no guarantees.

I don't have anything to make a point about until you give me a specific name.

[TXBRONC]

Hey guys. I'm starting to get the impression that Zam doesn't like the Osweiler pick.

Nothing gets by you DB. :D

[Dapper Dan]

It's obvious that the team is trying to make strides to win now. Of course they want to win now. Correct me if I'm wrong, but every pick in the draft is a rookie. So, if you want a "savvy vet" over a rookie, then you trade all of your picks for veterans. Which teams actually do that? A team that would do that has no future. They may or may not win a Super Bowl, then they are more than likely doomed for a decade or more. Free agency is used to get veterans. We've done that. But criticizing the organization for taking a rookie in the draft is insane. Every team drafts rookies! Not to mention, at the time, we weren't even sure if our quarterback could last a season. We were fortunate.


Which of these players would help win NOW?


Lavonte David
Vinny Curry
Kelechi Osemele
LaMichael James
Casey Hayward
Rueben Randle
Dwayne Allen
Trumaine Johnson
Josh Robinson


None of these players convince me that we should skip on taking a possible quarterback of the future.

[Northman]

Name the rookie who would have guaranteed the Super Bowl victory had they taken him over Osweiler. Be specific.



I don't have anything to make a point about until you give me a specific name.


You know he is just going to backpeddle and try to spin the topic somewhere else instead of answering your question right? Its what he does.

[Ravage!!!]

I'm glad Elway is smart enough to realize that he has to build both for the now, and the future. Realizing that the Broncos will INDEED continue to play football even after Manning has left the building.

[Chef Zambini]

You know he is just going to backpeddle and try to spin the topic somewhere else instead of answering your question right? Its what he does.there is no name there is no guarantee.
Mo insists on a name... Larry wilkerson.

[MOtorboat]

there is no name there is no guarantee.
Mo insists on a name... Larry wilkerson.

So you are just bitching to bitch about the Osweiler pick, or? Help me out here. You insist they should have picked a player for the now. Who's that player? Surely you've thought this through...err, wait.

[Chef Zambini]

the pick was not in step with a win now mentality.
It can be justified ONLY if BO has an awesome career, a superbowl contending career.
But, as i continue to try and point out, the subject matter of this discussion transcends just the b.o. pick.
Rav talks about a balance of now and the future, yet you all seem to agree that the PFM window means we focus on the NOW.

[SR]

Rav talks about a balance of now and the future, yet you all seem to agree that the PFM window means we focus on the NOW.
And what you obviously fail to realize is that it is entirely possible to have a "win now" mentality WITHOUT sacrificng the future. It is possible to bring in players via free agency or the draft that can be immediate contributors and also be part of the future. Hard concept to grasp for you I'm sure, but for the rest of us it's pretty simple.

[Ravage!!!]

the pick was not in step with a win now mentality.
It can be justified ONLY if BO has an awesome career, a superbowl contending career.
But, as i continue to try and point out, the subject matter of this discussion transcends just the b.o. pick.
Rav talks about a balance of now and the future, yet you all seem to agree that the PFM window means we focus on the NOW.

I've already explained the Os pick to you. Elway has to have had a plan B in case Manning couldn't go. In case Manning arm never stregthened. We took a chance on Manning considering his injury, and Elway was wise enough to have a plan B already in place.

Stop your BS. EVERY TEAM in the NFL wants/needs to win NOW... and while focusing on winning now, they continue to build towards the future. Elway is no different.

[Chef Zambini]

PFM makes the bronco dynamic different.
JFE is like any other NFL exec, just as you discribed.
But the PFM window tilts the focus !
that part is painfully "obvious"according to all !

[Chef Zambini]

And what you obviously fail to realize is that it is entirely possible to have a "win now" mentality WITHOUT sacrificng the future. It is possible to bring in players via free agency or the draft that can be immediate contributors and also be part of the future. Hard concept to grasp for you I'm sure, but for the rest of us it's pretty simple.

well duh, talk about the obvious !
von, now and for the future.
wolfe,
M.Ball
Never have I denied the potential for a player or rookie having the capacity to fill both the now and the future.
thanks for once again acting like a typical BOR member and trying to pin BS on to me as if I said it.
my concern is generic, everyone else has made it Os specific. maybe because Os, is the most OBVIOUS player who does NOT fit the win now profile.

[BroncoNut]

what? wtf does it matter if his window is open or closed? swear you guys are retarded

[TXBRONC]

well duh, talk about the obvious !
von, now and for the future.
wolfe,
M.Ball
Never have I denied the potential for a player or rookie having the capacity to fill both the now and the future.
thanks for once again acting like a typical BOR member and trying to pin BS on to me as if I said it.
my concern is generic, everyone else has made it Os specific. maybe because Os, is the most OBVIOUS player who does NOT fit the win now profile.

Bull shit your bitch never has been generic. It's always been about Osweiler and is always will be was far as you're concerned.

[Chef Zambini]

no you retahded, frankth and beanth.

[TXBRONC]

no you retahded, frankth and beanth.

Does anyone here speak retard because I don't.

[Chef Zambini]

Does anyone here speak retard because I don't.yeth you do.
jack talk thai.
jack talk thai very good.

[TXBRONC]

yeth you do.
jack talk thai.
jack talk thai very good.

Again I don't speak retard.

[Davii]

Zam,

SuperChop called. He wants his artificial martyr back.

[TXBRONC]

Zam,

SuperChop called. He wants his artificial martyr back.

Chop put it up for sale on ebay and Zam bought.

[Chef Zambini]

never been on ebay. hows the fishin' ?

[Davii]

never been on ebay. hows the fishin' ?

Good, but only when you're trolling. So pretty much all the time.

[SR]

OBVIOUS player who does NOT fit the win now profile.

That's because he is the FUTURE. JFC

[SR]

Good, but only when you're trolling. So pretty much all the time.

Now that was brilliant

[MOtorboat]

Zam,

SuperChop called. He wants his artificial martyr back.

LOL.

Zam was an Internet martyr before Chop knew what the Internet was.

[MOtorboat]

the pick was not in step with a win now mentality.
It can be justified ONLY if BO has an awesome career, a superbowl contending career.
But, as i continue to try and point out, the subject matter of this discussion transcends just the b.o. pick.
Rav talks about a balance of now and the future, yet you all seem to agree that the PFM window means we focus on the NOW.

Name the player.

[Davii]

Name the player.

Brock Osweiler

[MOtorboat]

Brock Osweiler

I want to know which player would have guaranteed the Super Bowl win...

Answer the question Zam.

[TXBRONC]

I want to know which player would have guaranteed the Super Bowl win...

Answer the question Zam.

Sorry MO, Zam is channeling his inner retard so he can't answer your question right now.

[Dapper Dan]

Why do we even have a second string quarterback? I mean if we were really trying to win now then we wouldn't need any other quarterbacks on the roster.

[Timmy!]

5 pages. Really?

[MOtorboat]

Why do we even have a second string quarterback? I mean if we were really trying to win now then we wouldn't need any other quarterbacks on the roster.

This. So this.

[Chef Zambini]

that. so there.