Looking for Best Historically Accurate movies

[Dapper Dan]

There are tons of history movies. Reading through a lot of reviews about many of them, they just aren't accurate. Who in Hollywood has mad a historically accurate movie. I read that Tora! Tora! Tora! is accurate. I read that Thirteen Days is close. I've read that J Edgar, Apollo 13, Frost/Nixon, and Nixon are filled with inaccuracies.

[SR]

A lot of them are embellished a little for entertainment purposes.

[Dreadnought]

"Khartoum" is really solid for the most part. I can watch that any number of times, and I've lost count of how many times I've seen it already. "The Patriot" and "Braveheart", whatever their other merits, are not. "Tora Tora Tora" is superb as well. For WW2 flicks "the Longest Day" is good, "A Bridge too Far" is really good. "Gettysburg" follows Michael Shaara's "Killer Angels" faithfully, and Shaara was excellent on his history.

[SR]

Mel Gibson flicks seem to follow historically pretty well from the limited fact checking I've done. Braveheart and The Patriot are two of my favorite flicks though.

[ShaneFalco]

Kingdom of Heaven i think was pretty accurate

[Skinny]

Speaking of Mel Gibson, have you seen "We Were Soldiers" db? One of my favorites. It was based off the book "We Were Soldiers Once... and Young" based off of actual events by two men, a Lieutenant and a reporter, who were at the Battle of La Drang during the Vietnam War. I'd recommend it if you haven't seen it already.

[aberdien]

Pocahontas is great.

[OrangeHoof]

Truth of the matter is that history is hard to distill into 90-150 minutes and remain entertaining and uncomplicated without blurring the facts some. I don't mind as long as it is not used to pump liberal propaganda into the film.

For example, in "Glory Road", the Texas Western basketball team returns to their hotel rooms to find racial epithets smeared in blood on the walls of their rooms. Earlier, a black player is beaten in the restroom just for being black. When the REAL Texas Western players were asked if any of that ever happened to them they said "nah, man. They (the scriptwriters) just made that up." And WHY did they make that up and put it in the film? For drama and outrage, certainly, but also to convince generations of black people who watch the film that this really happened.

Similarly in "The Express: The Ernie Davis Story", the Syracuse football team encounters a viciously racist crowd when they play at West Virginia. Did this really happen? No. The dramatics supposedly happened, according to the screenwriters, when the Orangemen played at the University of North Carolina - until some fact-checker noted that Syracuse did not play North Carolina during Davis' years there. So, rather than deleting this incident, they just switched the scene to West Virginia in order to impugn a whole other fan base. WHY does this get included in the film? No doubt to convince generations of blacks that this actually happened.

Of course, there were racists in the 50s and 60s and of course there were ugly things done to black people back then. There's no denying this. But adding them into screenplays in exaggerated and violent ways, IMO, is strictly exploitive and design to foment racial hatred used to excuse reverse racism today by Obama and the Justice Department as well as justify violence performed by blacks today. They SAW outrageous racist behavior in allegedly true stories so it MUST have truly happened. Only it didn't. Not to Texas Western and not to Syracuse.

[Dapper Dan]

Jesus, JoelHoof.

[SR]

Speaking of Mel Gibson, have you seen "We Were Soldiers" db? One of my favorites. It was based off the book "We Were Soldiers Once... and Young" based off of actual events by two men, a Lieutenant and a reporter, who were at the Battle of La Drang during the Vietnam War. I'd recommend it if you haven't seen it already.

The beginning of that movie was filmed at Lawson Army Air Field at Ft Benning, GA. Been there a couple times. Seen the hangars and all in person. Pretty awesome.

[BroncoJoe]

JFK was accurate.

:wink:

[Skinny]

The beginning of that movie was filmed at Lawson Army Air Field at Ft Benning, GA. Been there a couple times. Seen the hangars and all in person. Pretty awesome.I didn't know that.

I've been too Benning a couple of times to do demos (help and cook up some free food samples for companies) at the commissary there so i've only seen a little of it. I'd love to take of tour of that base, it looks huge and has a lot of history from what i'ver heard. I'm a war buff, though i don't know a lot of the facts, just fascinated with the history of it. There's a Revolutionary War Museum here that i could spend hours in. It also has a lot of other things from past wars like WWI, WWII, Korean, Etc... in it as well.

Sorry to get of course....

[broncofaninfla]

Spartacus on Starz. It's not a movie it's a TV show but for the most part follows history or at least what i've read up on it.

[BeefStew25]

Clockwork Orange was a surprisingly accurate portrayal of today's fine city of Chicago.

[Buff]

Deliverance is an accurate representation of southern culture.

[NightTrainLayne]

Deliverance is an accurate representation of southern culture.

"Dueling Banjos" often plays in my head when I turn down a poorly maintained road in rural Oklahoma to inspect a home out in the boonies.

My mom let us rent that movie when I was like 12. . . I didn't really understand what the heck was going on. I was very confused.

[Ravage!!!]

wow... well.... There are certainly some remarkable inaccuracies posted in this thread :shocked:

[BeefStew25]

Platoon is an accurate representation of colorado high schools and movie theaters.

[Ravage!!!]

Red Dawn was pretty accurate.

[Ravage!!!]

I would say that Toy Story is accurate, but then, I think the director made up a lot of the story line to promote prejudice against certain toy types.

[aberdien]

"Dueling Banjos" often plays in my head when I turn down a poorly maintained road in rural Oklahoma to inspect a home out in the boonies.

My mom let us rent that movie when I was like 12. . . I didn't really understand what the heck was going on. I was very confused.

I try to stay away from Eastern Oklahoma (aka Arkansas-lite) out of fear for Deliverance-type situations. I had to stay in a hotel in Grove once. Terrifying.

[SoCalImport]

Since Henry V the play is widely counted as a very accurate account of the events at the start of the Hundred year war, the movie is as well.
Braveheart is not historically accurate. Some of the major plot points are totally made up. It always killed me that they took the bridge out of the battle of Stirling bridge.

[Timmy!]

Debbie does Dallas....

[Dapper Dan]

So, I've watched Thirteen Days and Gettysburg (the 1993 movie that's over 3 hours). I really liked them both. I plan on watching A Bridge Too Far pretty soon. I've started watching Manhunt by HBO. It's a documentary about looking for Bin Laden. Supposedly, it tells some of the truth that Zero Dark Thirty left out or changed for entertainment reasons.

If you want a good show that represents the south, I'm not sure Deliverance is the best. I'd suggest Squidbillies.

[SR]

I didn't know that.

I've been too Benning a couple of times to do demos (help and cook up some free food samples for companies) at the commissary there so i've only seen a little of it. I'd love to take of tour of that base, it looks huge and has a lot of history from what i'ver heard. I'm a war buff, though i don't know a lot of the facts, just fascinated with the history of it. There's a Revolutionary War Museum here that i could spend hours in. It also has a lot of other things from past wars like WWI, WWII, Korean, Etc... in it as well.

Sorry to get of course....

Ft Benning itself is a giant old shithole of a post, but there is a LOT of history there. I didn't know anything about that We Were Soldiers stuff either until one of the old guys bringing me a maintenance stand asked me if I knew it, then he took me through all of it. Pretty neat stuff.

[SR]

Deliverance is an accurate representation of southern culture.

There's a little town right outside of Waxahachie, TX that everyone in that area calls Deliverance. It's a sketchy looking little town.

[SR]

I try to stay away from Eastern Oklahoma (aka Arkansas-lite) out of fear for Deliverance-type situations. I had to stay in a hotel in Grove once. Terrifying.

I once drove on I-40 from Little Rock to Flagstaff. The part I hated was the whole part between Arkansas and New Mexico. The Texas Panhandle and Oklahoma are one in the same IMO.

[Dreadnought]

Ft Benning itself is a giant old shithole of a post, but there is a LOT of history there. I didn't know anything about that We Were Soldiers stuff either until one of the old guys bringing me a maintenance stand asked me if I knew it, then he took me through all of it. Pretty neat stuff.

I did Basic and AIT at Fort Benning, then 5 months of Infantry Officer's Basic Course a few years later. I learned about fire ants and chiggers at Fort Benning, and they have this awful glutinous otherworldly red clay that won't wash out of anything.

[SR]

I did Basic and AIT at Fort Benning, then 5 months of Infantry Officer's Basic Course a few years later. I learned about fire ants and chiggers at Fort Benning, and they have this awful glutinous otherworldly red clay that won't wash out of anything.

I didn't get to experience any of that stuff. Thankfully. I did always end up doing more work than I wanted to when I'd go there.

[Ravage!!!]

I did Basic and AIT at Fort Benning, then 5 months of Infantry Officer's Basic Course a few years later. I learned about fire ants and chiggers at Fort Benning, and they have this awful glutinous otherworldly red clay that won't wash out of anything.

always makes me chuckle when I hear that people don't know about chiggers. I guess when you grow up with things like that, you just assume they are a national lil pain in the ass.

[Dreadnought]

I didn't get to experience any of that stuff. Thankfully. I did always end up doing more work than I wanted to when I'd go there.

For the full chigger and fire ant experience you can't beat a week of living in the field on an FTX at Fort Benning. As hard as USAF guys can work you mostly sleep in beds inside somewhere at the end of the day.

[SR]

For the full chigger and fire ant experience you can't beat a week of living in the field on an FTX at Fort Benning. As hard as USAF guys can work you mostly sleep in beds inside somewhere at the end of the day.

Are chiggers the little spiraly spikey shits that are on some grass, plants, and trees?

And yeah, as air crew we weren't even allowed to stay at the hotel on Ft Benning because it was deemed inadequate quarters for crew rest. :)

We stayed at a nice hotel in Columbus. ;)

[Dzone]

How was Lincoln? I assumed it would be filled with a lot of white hatred of blacks. It does seem that many historical recreations really like to foment the racial anger. The Ken Burns History of Baseball series was largely a history of how persecuted black players have been since the sport was invented.

[chazoe60]

I can't believe no one's mentioned Star Wars yet. Without that movie we wouldn't even know what happened a long time ago in a Galaxy far far away.

[Army Bronco]

The beginning of that movie was filmed at Lawson Army Air Field at Ft Benning, GA. Been there a couple times. Seen the hangars and all in person. Pretty awesome.I didn't know that.

I've been too Benning a couple of times to do demos (help and cook up some free food samples for companies) at the commissary there so i've only seen a little of it. I'd love to take of tour of that base, it looks huge and has a lot of history from what i'ver heard. I'm a war buff, though i don't know a lot of the facts, just fascinated with the history of it. There's a Revolutionary War Museum here that i could spend hours in. It also has a lot of other things from past wars like WWI, WWII, Korean, Etc... in it as well.

Sorry to get of course....the scene where they were loading on to the buses was filmed next to the towers at jump school. My roommate at PLDC was in Basic when they were filming it and said they used his company to teach the actors how to use the crew serve weapons.

[Army Bronco]

For the full chigger and fire ant experience you can't beat a week of living in the field on an FTX at Fort Benning. As hard as USAF guys can work you mostly sleep in beds inside somewhere at the end of the day.

Are chiggers the little spiraly spikey shits that are on some grass, plants, and trees?

And yeah, as air crew we weren't even allowed to stay at the hotel on Ft Benning because it was deemed inadequate quarters for crew rest. :)

We stayed at a nice hotel in Columbus. ;)I stayed at that hotel during the Army Combatives Tournament in 07. Not too bad at all.

[Dapper Dan]

How was Lincoln? I assumed it would be filled with a lot of white hatred of blacks. It does seem that many historical recreations really like to foment the racial anger. The Ken Burns History of Baseball series was largely a history of how persecuted black players have been since the sport was invented.

I said this in another thread, but what irritated me about Lincoln was that it was really about his life. It started right before his second term. I thought "The 13th amendment" would have been a more suitable title. There's a lot of what you described in the movie. But also, there are a lot of people for slavery but think freeing the slaves would break the south and win the war.

There's a lot more to the civil war than slavery, but that seems to be the sole mention even in textbooks nowadays. I guess that's how it will be remembered in history. The good people of the north versus the racists of the south.

[SR]

I stayed at that hotel during the Army Combatives Tournament in 07. Not too bad at all.

Apparently our Airlift Squadron commander at the time thought differently. :)

[Dreadnought]

Apparently our Airlift Squadron commander at the time thought differently. :)

From my standpoint it was great - but remember, two years previous to that I had been in a decrepit open bay Gomer Pyle type 40 man basic trainee barracks at Harmony Church. I had a little fridge, a maid made my bed and cleaned my room, and I thought I was living large. Its all about context.

[Army Bronco]

Apparently our Airlift Squadron commander at the time thought differently. :)

From my standpoint it was great - but remember, two years previous to that I had been in a decrepit open bay Gomer Pyle type 40 man basic trainee barracks at Harmony Church. I had a little fridge, a maid made my bed and cleaned my room, and I thought I was living large. Its all about context.Dreadnaught, when did you go through IOBC??

[Dreadnought]

Dreadnaught, when did you go through IOBC??

1990

[Dreadnought]

Dreadnaught, when did you go through IOBC??

We had moved on from black powder rifles into modern smokeless ammunition. Good ol' Krag .30/40. It was a time of great changes

[Ravage!!!]

How was Lincoln? I assumed it would be filled with a lot of white hatred of blacks. It does seem that many historical recreations really like to foment the racial anger. The Ken Burns History of Baseball series was largely a history of how persecuted black players have been since the sport was invented.

Excellent movie and not filled with anything that you thought. It's about the 13th amendment, and all that surround the passing of that amendment.

Some were looking for more cherry trees to be chopped down, or maybe a History Channel biography, but I was much more entertained with this.

[Dreadnought]

Excellent movie and not filled with anything that you thought. It's about the 13th amendment, and all that surround the passing of that amendment.

Some were looking for more cherry trees to be chopped down, or maybe a History Channel biography, but I was much more entertained with this.

I loved the movie. One of the only movies I've ever seen that gets the legislative and political process even remotely right.

[Army Bronco]

Black Hawk Down is one of my all time fave movies. We named a a small town in Baghdad little Moge in honor of its resemblance to the movie and all the people shooting at us...lol

[SR]

From my standpoint it was great - but remember, two years previous to that I had been in a decrepit open bay Gomer Pyle type 40 man basic trainee barracks at Harmony Church. I had a little fridge, a maid made my bed and cleaned my room, and I thought I was living large. Its all about context.

I usually was pretty spoiled. Whenever I went TDY to DC we would stay at the Wyndham in National Harbor. The worst hotels we usually stayed in were like Holiday Inn Express or Comfort Suites. Airshows were the best because usually the host base would pay out way and we would usually get hooked up big with hotel rooms. Thanks for the memories, United States Air Force.

[Army Bronco]

From my standpoint it was great - but remember, two years previous to that I had been in a decrepit open bay Gomer Pyle type 40 man basic trainee barracks at Harmony Church. I had a little fridge, a maid made my bed and cleaned my room, and I thought I was living large. Its all about context.

I usually was pretty spoiled. Whenever I went TDY to DC we would stay at the Wyndham in National Harbor. The worst hotels we usually stayed in were like Holiday Inn Express or Comfort Suites. Airshows were the best because usually the host base would pay out way and we would usually get hooked up big with hotel rooms. Thanks for the memories, United States Air Force. When I was assigned to the US Embassy in Bogota, they gave me a 4 bedroom apt which I shared with a USAF guy. They provided us with armed escorts to and from work everyday maid service, and 24 hr security guard at the apt. Then they moved me to lead a team in another part of the country and I lived in a little trailer. I liked the trailer better because I was away from the flag pole.

[SR]

When I was assigned to the US Embassy in Bogota, they gave me a 4 bedroom apt which I shared with a USAF guy. They provided us with armed escorts to and from work everyday maid service, and 24 hr security guard at the apt. Then they moved me to lead a team in another part of the country and I lived in a little trailer. I liked the trailer better because I was away from the flag pole.

My buddy is stationed at the US Embassy in Islamabad right now. He shares a house with a Marine and a Soldier. Eff that noise. Not the roommates but Islamabad.

[Army Bronco]

When I was assigned to the US Embassy in Bogota, they gave me a 4 bedroom apt which I shared with a USAF guy. They provided us with armed escorts to and from work everyday maid service, and 24 hr security guard at the apt. Then they moved me to lead a team in another part of the country and I lived in a little trailer. I liked the trailer better because I was away from the flag pole.

My buddy is stationed at the US Embassy in Islamabad right now. He shares a house with a Marine and a Soldier. Eff that noise. Not the roommates but Islamabad. I'm sure no one ever said it was beautiful there.

[SR]

I'm sure no one ever said it was beautiful there.

No way, but he is having a good time

[aberdien]

How was Lincoln? I assumed it would be filled with a lot of white hatred of blacks. It does seem that many historical recreations really like to foment the racial anger. The Ken Burns History of Baseball series was largely a history of how persecuted black players have been since the sport was invented.
It was good. Very sentimental and they probably should've titled it Daniel Day-Lewis giving inspiring monologues, but I liked it.


I said this in another thread, but what irritated me about Lincoln was that it was really about his life. It started right before his second term. I thought "The 13th amendment" would have been a more suitable title. There's a lot of what you described in the movie. But also, there are a lot of people for slavery but think freeing the slaves would break the south and win the war.

There's a lot more to the civil war than slavery, but that seems to be the sole mention even in textbooks nowadays. I guess that's how it will be remembered in history. The good people of the north versus the racists of the south.
Well what was it but a war between the north and the pro-slavery south?

[Dapper Dan]

It was good. Very sentimental and they probably should've titled it Daniel Day-Lewis giving inspiring monologues, but I liked it.


Well what was it but a war between the north and the pro-slavery south?

Half of the country fighting for independence and the other half fighting to stay whole.

[aberdien]

Half of the country fighting for independence and the other half fighting to stay whole.

But they wanted independence because they didn't want to be told that they couldn't have slavery since it was a big part of their economy.

[Dapper Dan]

But they wanted independence because they didn't want to be told that they couldn't have slavery since it was a big part of their economy.

I'm basically being nitpicky here. I agree that slavery was the cause of most of it. I agree with your statement. I just think it's one of those things where history is taught to favor the victors. If the south wins, the probably abolish slavery within 100 years. They exist as their own country, and celebrate their independence every year. Assuming the USA and CSA could still survive separate. As for the reason each soldier was fighting, it wasn't to abolish or keep slavery, in my opinion. Most northerners were racist and had slaves anyway. Most southerners were fighting for their state. Like I said, it's just nitpicking on my part.

[aberdien]

I'm basically being nitpicky here. I agree that slavery was the cause of most of it. I agree with your statement. I just think it's one of those things where history is taught to favor the victors. If the south wins, the probably abolish slavery within 100 years. They exist as their own country, and celebrate their independence every year. Assuming the USA and CSA could still survive separate. As for the reason each soldier was fighting, it wasn't to abolish or keep slavery, in my opinion. Most northerners were racist and had slaves anyway. Most southerners were fighting for their state. Like I said, it's just nitpicking on my part.

I gotcha, we'll just hafta agree to disagree then ha.

[Dapper Dan]

I gotcha, we'll just hafta agree to disagree then ha.

Let's just get high instead.

[OrangeHoof]

Just to follow up about Glory Road. From Wikipedia...


In the game between East Texas State University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_A%26M_University%E2%80%93Commerce) and Texas Western, East Texas State fans are shown throwing popcorn and drinks, and yelling racial epithets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_epithet). In a later scene, racial slurs are shown painted onto the hotel rooms of the black Texas Western players. After verification that the events never took place, Texas A&M University–Commerce (formerly East Texas State University) asked for an apology from Disney (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Walt_Disney_Company) and the makers of the film.[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glory_Road_%28film%29#cite_note-7) Disney did not directly apologize, rather, it explained that the movie was not a documentary and that it had been necessary to consolidate events given the time limitations of the film, and that Disney did not intentionally set out to misrepresent any group and was sorry for any misunderstanding.[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glory_Road_%28film%29#cite_note-AMcommerce-8) The President of Texas A&M–Commerce said that, given the way the school was shown in the film, it was hard to believe that Disney could plausibly argue that the portrayal of the school was unintentional.[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glory_Road_%28film%29#cite_note-AMcommerce-8) The scene even prompted the Texas state senate to consider a bill which would allow financial assistance from the state to be withheld for films that portray the state negatively.[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glory_Road_%28film%29#cite_note-9)

[Dapper Dan]

Wow.

[Army Bronco]

What about the movie The Express? It portrayed Texas really racist during that last football game.

[OrangeHoof]

What about the movie The Express? It portrayed Texas really racist during that last football game.

Again from wikipedia...


Journalists and film critics noted that a scene of "racist vitriol"[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Express#cite_note-9) involving the October 24, 1959 game between Syracuse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syracuse_Orange_football) and West Virginia University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia_Mountaineers_football), was fictitious and, as Film Journal International (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_Journal_International) critic Frank Lovece (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Lovece) noted, "veers remarkably toward outright slander."[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Express#cite_note-fji-10) He said the game was "falsely shown as taking place at WVU's Mountaineer Field (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountaineer_Field_%281924%29)" in Morgantown, West Virginia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgantown,_West_Virginia), "rather than at Syracuse's own Archbold Stadium," the Orangemen's home field in New York state.

...

Syracuse quarterback Dick Easterly, who played with Davis in Morgantown the following year, on October 22, 1960, after the events of the Cotton Bowl Classic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotton_Bowl_Classic) against the University of Texas, recalled no such events and said, "I apologize to the people of West Virginia because that did not happen. I don't blame people in West Virginia for being disturbed. The scene is completely fictitious."[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Express#cite_note-cdm-11)

and regarding the Cotton Bowl against Texas,


Moreover, some claim that the racial tension depicted in the 1960 Cotton Bowl Classic versus the Texas Longhorns is inaccurate, though this is highly disputed. Bobby Lackey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Lackey), quarterback for the University of Texas states, "I told the Cotton Bowl people that those things didn't happen, and they were making up stories to try and sell more movie tickets, I wasn't going to watch any of that."

There were clearly some dust-ups during that game and the Texas roster, as was the entire Southwest Conference at the time, was all-white. I would not have been shocked to find out some n-words were said either by players or fans. That's just how things were back then. I have known older folks who used the n-word without any malice at all. It just meant "a black man" to them. And they would have used the term the same way they might have used "kraut" or "mick". It was just shorthand to describe someone's ethnicity.

But the overall point is that the scriptwriters in both films were way over the top in their portrayal of racial incidents in a "based on a true story" historical depiction. And why did they do this if it was untrue? To sell tickets? To foment race hatred? Or both?

[Dreadnought]

But the overall point is that the scriptwriters in both films were way over the top in their portrayal of racial incidents in a "based on a true story" historical depiction. And why did they do this if it was untrue? To sell tickets? To foment race hatred? Or both?

I think to stoke the fires of race hatred, overplay racism in the past, and stigmatize "uncool" parts of the country (note that they moved racial incidents from "enlightened" Syracuse NY to West Virginia). Its pretty disgusting. There were real incidents of racism, e.g. the AFL Pro Bowl in New Orleans in '65 I think. A lot of SEC teams in the 60's were whites only, and I find myself still sort of rooting against Ol' Miss and Alabama because of it. I do think though that some of this is designed to exagerrate past problems to score cheap political points.

On a personal note, having lived 1 year in Georgia and the rest of my life in the Northeast I think Georgia is less racist, and New York City is the most racist place I know - though I hear Boston is brutal as well. Could be a small sample size, though.

[Army Bronco]

Damn, it did make the movie more dramatic and made you cheer for Davis more. Maybe that was their intention. My fav part in the movie was when he met Floyd Little just cause he was a Bronco. I am biased of course.

[aberdien]

Django Unchained was pretty accurate.

[OrangeHoof]

On a personal note, having lived 1 year in Georgia and the rest of my life in the Northeast I think Georgia is less racist, and New York City is the most racist place I know - though I hear Boston is brutal as well. Could be a small sample size, though.

Celtics star Bill Russell wrote in his first biography that Boston was far more racist than Louisiana where he spent part of his youth.

Wanna upset a Boston liberal? Bring up "forced busing"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxknqj-bt3k



(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxknqj-bt3k)

[Dreadnought]

Celtics star Bill Russell wrote in his first biography that Boston was far more racist than Louisiana where he spent part of his youth.

Wanna upset a Boston liberal? Bring up "forced busing"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxknqj-bt3k



(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxknqj-bt3k)

A guy I went to college with was from Southie. Brilliant kid, at U of R on a full boat academic scholarship. He had been bussed to Roxbury during the busing nonsense in the 70's, and had been gutted like a fish. He had the most horrific scar on his belly you've ever seen. I guess it was over a year of rehab and multiple surgeries to recover. He was bitter over it. He was also the single most unapologetic virulent racist I've ever met, anywhere, bar none. So much for promoting understanding.

Rich white kids from Cambridge didn't get bussed; dirt poor shanty Irish kids from Southie did, and then the rich whites could congratulate themselves on how progressive they were because they supported integration.

[OrangeHoof]

I guess he didn't understand that his health was sacrificed so that others could feel good about themselves.

[SR]

I have a friend that I was stationed at Dyess with who was from a poor Irish family in Southie. Some of the stories he has shared with me about shit his parents went through are crazy, but he has an accent exactly like Casey Affleck and spoke like matt damon in The Departed or Good Will Hunting potty mouth wise, so I used to make him talk about nonsense all the time. He loved soccer and I hated it but I would ask him to explain rules and whatnot to me just so I could listen to him talk. Amigay?

[DenBronx]

Spartacus on Starz. It's not a movie it's a TV show but for the most part follows history or at least what i've read up on it.


Lol...just got finish watching the final season last night. I knew they all died, historically I think 6000 of Spartacus soldiers were crucified. But I was hoping he would have killed that guy at the end. He should have just fell on top of the guy on the ground with the spears still stuck in him.


Starz did a great job on this series but they added in TONS of things that probablly never happened. Doesn't matter though b/c it's a show and we all love to be entertained....we all expect that from Hollywood. I am sort of sad it's over as well as Rome.

The other show that they have coming out, Black Sails. It's a pirate theme series and it looks really good too.



Not sure if Ceaser was raped and humped in the ass by a boy. Lol

[DenBronx]

Also, I had never watched Breaking Bad until last week.

I am now hooked on this series. I like watching series shows back to back without waiting until the next week. So, Netflix has me covered for hours uninterrupted enjoyment.

[DenBronx]

Man of Steel is also pretty accurate.


He now plays QB for the Broncos.

[Dzone]

Reminds of Ken Burns History of Baseball. Great documentary, but half of it was devoted to the negro leagues and how bad white people were treating blacks.
That is a trend in "historical" movies as well.

[MOtorboat]

Reminds of Ken Burns History of Baseball. Great documentary, but half of it was devoted to the negro leagues and how bad white people were treating blacks.
That is a trend in "historical" movies as well.

There were nine parts. Half of two of them were about the Negro Leagues...

[aberdien]

Reminds of Ken Burns History of Baseball. Great documentary, but half of it was devoted to the negro leagues and how bad white people were treating blacks.
That is a trend in "historical" movies as well.

So you're saying they're accurate?

[chazoe60]

Baseball is a family favorite in the Chazoe household. We'll watch a part here and there all during summer while my son is playing little league. The early episodes are the best, we love all the old stories of early baseball.

Fantastic filmmaking and storytelling.

[aberdien]

Ken Burns is amazing. His Dust Bowl documentary was brilliant. Everything he's made has been good in my experience. The Prohibition one is on netflix and it's good too.


I haven't seen Baseball because goddamn that's a lot of hours.

[Broncolingus]

On a personal note, having lived 1 year in Georgia and the rest of my life in the Northeast I think Georgia is less racist, and New York City is the most racist place I know - though I hear Boston is brutal as well. Could be a small sample size, though.

...or Baltimore...

[chazoe60]

Ken Burns is amazing. His Dust Bowl documentary was brilliant. Everything he's made has been good in my experience. The Prohibition one is on netflix and it's good too.


I haven't seen Baseball because goddamn that's a lot of hours.
The awesome thing about baseball is that you don't have to watch all of it. Just watch an episode here and there. The early ones are the best. Those old stories are amazing. Everybody hates Ty Cobb but I can listen to stories about him all day.