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Skinny
09-01-2007, 01:49 PM
By RICK STROUD, Times Staff Writer
Published September 1, 2007

TAMPA - Simeon Rice has narrowed his choices to the Rams and Broncos and could decide this weekend.

Rice said he passed a physical Friday in St. Louis and planned to visit the Broncos. The defensive end, 33, was released by the Bucs on July 26 after refusing to take a $2.5-million pay cut from his $7.25-million salary.

He failed his Bucs physical and needed a few weeks to fully recover from shoulder surgery.

"I could've pushed it," Rice said by phone from St. Louis. "But there was no reason to after what happened down there. I'm in a good place. I'm weighing all my options and stuff like that. Making sure all my ducks are in a row.

"It's a real good situation in St. Louis. I liked Denver as well. Their uniforms are off the chain. That's where I'm probably headed next."

Rice said the Bucs have remained in contact with his agent, Tom Condon. Defensive end Patrick Chukwurah has a knee injury and could miss several weeks. Although unlikely, Rice said he wouldn't rule out a return.

"I told my agent if we're going to be in the same situation moneywise, I'll just go back and play in Tampa," Rice said. "It's possible. It all depends. They're still calling."

It's no surprise the Rams would be interested in Rice. Their defensive coordinator is former Saints coach Jim Haslett. Rice has 16 sacks against the Saints, more than any other team.

http://www.sptimes.com/2007/09/01/Bucs/Rice_to_pick_Rams_or_.shtml

DenBronx
09-01-2007, 02:03 PM
so the only reason he wants to come here is because "our uni's are off the chain?" :hmmmm2:

Chidoze
09-01-2007, 02:20 PM
so the only reason he wants to come here is because "our uni's are off the chain?" :hmmmm2:
I laughed at that too.

They are "Off the chain" fo sheezy! :cool:

Simple Jaded
09-01-2007, 02:22 PM
At least we know he won't be a cancer: He likes the uniforms! :D

dogfish
09-01-2007, 02:25 PM
while i certainly wouldn't mind getting rice-- it would keep moss from getting extensive playing time, but it's also possible that the coaching staff feels he isn't ready-- i think we need help at DT even more. . . doesn't seem to be much help available there, though-- maybe someone will come up with all the cuts going on around the league. . .

RunYouOver
09-01-2007, 03:11 PM
I wouldn't mind having him, but I also wouldn't mind not signing him.

I like the direction we're headed with the younger D-Line, and younger team.

I don't feel like we need to sign a veteran at this point.

Chidoze
09-01-2007, 03:17 PM
I wouldn't mind having him, but I also wouldn't mind not signing him.

I like the direction we're headed with the younger D-Line, and younger team.

I don't feel like we need to sign a veteran at this point.
I think he'd be great for the younger guys, teaching and mentoring them and such.

But he might take a chunk of their playing time as well, so it could be a double edge sword.

I dunno, with or without him, I'm excited about the guys we have. :cool:

Simple Jaded
09-01-2007, 03:27 PM
I wouldn't mind having him, but I also wouldn't mind not signing him.

I like the direction we're headed with the younger D-Line, and younger team.

I don't feel like we need to sign a veteran at this point.


But when you think about it, Rice fits in with the D-line perfectly:

The players are either really young or really old....

And are one dimensional, they can only do one thing well....play the run or play the pass...

Engelberger is one of the few that is middle of the pack age wise, but he can only play the run well.

Adams is really old and can only play on run downs.

Burton is young and is a run down player.

Dumervil is young and is a pass rusher.

Crowder is young and is better against the run. He might be the most complete of the DE's.

Kennedy is like Eberger age wise, he's probably the most complete DT.

Thomas is young and we don't know what he'll be good at yet.

Moss is young but is better as a pass rusher right now.

These are the top 8 players on the D-line (Unless Shanahan pulls a Shanahan and cuts somebody he should be cutting).

Rice is really old an is somewhat one dimensional...

TXBRONC
09-01-2007, 03:32 PM
while i certainly wouldn't mind getting rice-- it would keep moss from getting extensive playing time, but it's also possible that the coaching staff feels he isn't ready-- i think we need help at DT even more. . . doesn't seem to be much help available there, though-- maybe someone will come up with all the cuts going on around the league. . .

I agree DT is a bigger concern in my opinion.

Simple Jaded
09-01-2007, 04:09 PM
I agree DT is a bigger concern in my opinion.


Adams: Old!
Burton: Who?
McKinley: Brownco!
Thomas: A 4th round draft pick!
Gordon: Please!

This is pathetic.....

TXBRONC
09-01-2007, 04:13 PM
Adams: Old!
Burton: Who?
McKinley: Brownco!
Thomas: A 4th round draft pick!Gordon: Please!

This is pathetic.....


Thomas is a legitimate talent. Had he not been kick off UF football team, he was likely to go in the first round.

Chidoze
09-01-2007, 04:15 PM
Thomas is a legitimate talent. Had he not been kick off UF football team, he was likely to go in the first round.
Yea, but isnt he a slasher type DT? A guy who likes to penetrate and disrupt blocks, not eat them up?

Bates likes the guys who clog holes with their big rear ends.

TXBRONC
09-01-2007, 04:17 PM
Yea, but isnt he a slasher type DT? A guy who likes to penetrate and disrupt blocks, not eat them up?

Bates likes the guys who clog holes with their big rear ends.

That's what I understand, but I don't think Shanahan drafts him if Bates tells him this kid wont fit.

Simple Jaded
09-01-2007, 04:18 PM
Thomas is a legitimate talent. Had he not been kick off UF football team, he was likely to go in the first round.


I agree with you....

ChampWJ
09-01-2007, 04:21 PM
I don't really want that guy here, because I'd rather see Dumervil and Moss get lots of PT.

Tned
09-01-2007, 04:25 PM
That's what I understand, but I don't think Shanahan drafts him if Bates tells him this kid wont fit.

Exactly, Bates had to be involved in the talent evaluation. They weren't going to draft people just to cut or trade them later.

Chidoze
09-01-2007, 04:31 PM
Exactly, Bates had to be involved in the talent evaluation. They weren't going to draft people just to cut or trade them later.
Yea, but they traded for and cut Kennedy, so what does that say about Bates talent evaluation?

Sure it was a late draft pick, but a lost draft pick none the less.

TXBRONC
09-01-2007, 04:37 PM
I don't really want that guy here, because I'd rather see Dumervil and Moss get lots of PT.

Same here. If Shanahan signs him then apparently he and Bates aren't entirely comfortable defensive end situation and in my opinion that would probably have to do with depth.

DenBronx
09-01-2007, 04:46 PM
Yea, but they traded for and cut Kennedy, so what does that say about Bates talent evaluation?

Sure it was a late draft pick, but a lost draft pick none the less.

at this point if we signed rice then i could care less about the 6th rounder. it would be like we traded to get rice instead of kenedy anyway. im pretty sure we kind find better dts than kenedy off of waivers.

TXBRONC
09-01-2007, 05:00 PM
Yea, but they traded for and cut Kennedy, so what does that say about Bates talent evaluation?

Sure it was a late draft pick, but a lost draft pick none the less.

The past year Shanahan said that he see their 6th and 7th round draft picks even making the team.

dogfish
09-01-2007, 05:19 PM
That's what I understand, but I don't think Shanahan drafts him if Bates tells him this kid wont fit.


Yea, but they traded for and cut Kennedy, so what does that say about Bates talent evaluation?

Sure it was a late draft pick, but a lost draft pick none the less.

are you saying that marcus thomas was a "wasted draft Pick," or am i mis-reading something. . . . ??



:confused:


because if that's what you're saying, that's crazy talk. . . . for one thing, how can a guy possibly be a "wasted" pick before he even gets on the field for the first time in a real game? we're now seeing the final cuts (i need to check the home page and see if the official 53-man roster is up yet), and it's obvious that he's made the team-- that's the first thing every rook needs to do (and kudos to thomas for keeping his nose clean and staying out of trouble). . . .

we acquired kennedy for a (likely low) future 6th round pick-- for a former #12 overall pick at a position where really needed some help, that's a pretty fair price to bring him in and see if you can get anything out of him. . . it's too bad that it didn't work out, but i don't think that implicates bates' evaluation skills in any serious way. . . scouting is an imperfect science, and other good coaches have made similar mistakes-- it doesn't amount to much in comparison to the proven success that bates has had. . . i think the guy has earned a little more benefit of the doubt than that, and although i'll be as disappointed as anyone else if our D doesn't play well this year, i think we need to give bates at least a year or two (two in my own book, but i try to be patient and take a long-term view) to show what he can do before people start getting down on him. . .

as for thomas-- i'm pretty sure he was drafted for his pass rushing skills first and foremost. . . last year we had almost NO interior penentration in passing situations, and QBs always had a nice, clean pocket to step up into. . . we need a DT who can collapse the pocket on 3rd downs, and thomas projects as that kind of guy. . . whether or not he can grow into a balanced DT that fits the prototype for bates' system remains to be seen, but even if he only ever plays as a situational pass rusher, he was more than worth the pick if he can be effective in that role (think of what rod coleman did as a part-time player in chokeland, or rocky bernard for seattle last year). . .

and it's too early to say that he can't become the kind of interior clogger that bates wants. . . he has a wide frame that can carry more weight, and tremendous athletic ability for his size (did you see the photo of him doing a standing backflip in camp?). . . his playing weight in college was listed as 315, although our official roster has him at just about 300. . . i don't know whether one of the two is inaccuarte, or if he has lost weight since school. . . maybe we wanted him to play at a lower weight, or maybe he isn't at his playing weight since he hasdn't been playing and training properly. . . who knows? he needs to really hit the weight room to increase his base strength, but that kind of thing doesn't happen all in one season, either. . . thomas is a kid fresh out of college, and he hadn't played football in almost a year before training camp-- if he's willing to learn and work hard, there' no telling just yet what he might be able to do-- he was rated by most scouts as a first round talent before he got in trouble. . .

broncosinindy
09-01-2007, 05:37 PM
are you saying that marcus thomas was a "wasted draft Pick," or am i mis-reading something. . . . ??



:confused:


because if that's what you're saying, that's crazy talk. . . . for one thing, how can a guy possibly be a "wasted" pick before he even gets on the field for the first time in a real game? we're now seeing the final cuts (i need to check the home page and see if the official 53-man roster is up yet), and it's obvious that he's made the team-- that's the first thing every rook needs to do (and kudos to thomas for keeping his nose clean and staying out of trouble). . . .

we acquired kennedy for a (likely low) future 6th round pick-- for a former #12 overall pick at a position where really needed some help, that's a pretty fair price to bring him in and see if you can get anything out of him. . . it's too bad that it didn't work out, but i don't think that implicates bates' evaluation skills in any serious way. . . scouting is an imperfect science, and other good coaches have made similar mistakes-- it doesn't amount to much in comparison to the proven success that bates has had. . . i think the guy has earned a little more benefit of the doubt than that, and although i'll be as disappointed as anyone else if our D doesn't play well this year, i think we need to give bates at least a year or two (two in my own book, but i try to be patient and take a long-term view) to show what he can do before people start getting down on him. . .

as for thomas-- i'm pretty sure he was drafted for his pass rushing skills first and foremost. . . last year we had almost NO interior penentration in passing situations, and QBs always had a nice, clean pocket to step up into. . . we need a DT who can collapse the pocket on 3rd downs, and thomas projects as that kind of guy. . . whether or not he can grow into a balanced DT that fits the prototype for bates' system remains to be seen, but even if he only ever plays as a situational pass rusher, he was more than worth the pick if he can be effective in that role (think of what rod coleman did as a part-time player in chokeland, or rocky bernard for seattle last year). . .

and it's too early to say that he can't become the kind of interior clogger that bates wants. . . he has a wide frame that can carry more weight, and tremendous athletic ability for his size (did you see the photo of him doing a standing backflip in camp?). . . his playing weight in college was listed as 315, although our official roster has him at just about 300. . . i don't know whether one of the two is inaccuarte, or if he has lost weight since school. . . maybe we wanted him to play at a lower weight, or maybe he isn't at his playing weight since he hasdn't been playing and training properly. . . who knows? he needs to really hit the weight room to increase his base strength, but that kind of thing doesn't happen all in one season, either. . . thomas is a kid fresh out of college, and he hadn't played football in almost a year before training camp-- if he's willing to learn and work hard, there' no telling just yet what he might be able to do-- he was rated by most scouts as a first round talent before he got in trouble. . .
i know its tedious but the site has him at 315

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=396

dogfish
09-01-2007, 05:54 PM
i know its tedious but the site has him at 315

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=396


ahh, that's good-- i could have sworn it was lower earlier, but maybe i'm just not remembering correctly. . . 315 is definitely better. . .

Simple Jaded
09-01-2007, 05:56 PM
ahh, that's good-- i could have sworn it was lower earlier, but maybe i'm just not remembering correctly. . . 315 is definitely better. . .


You're right too, dogfish, I remember the Broncos listing him at 298 before TC started.....

dogfish
09-01-2007, 06:27 PM
You're right too, dogfish, I remember the Broncos listing him at 298 before TC started.....

glad i'm not TOTALLY crazy!

TXBRONC
09-01-2007, 06:30 PM
ahh, that's good-- i could have sworn it was lower earlier, but maybe i'm just not remembering correctly. . . 315 is definitely better. . .


There were bios out on Thomas that said we weighed somewhere around 295 lbs or maybe just a tad better than that.

Simple Jaded
09-01-2007, 06:38 PM
glad i'm not TOTALLY crazy!



I didn't say anything about that! :D

keithbishop
09-01-2007, 09:05 PM
I wouldn't mind having him, but I also wouldn't mind not signing him.

I like the direction we're headed with the younger D-Line, and younger team.

I don't feel like we need to sign a veteran at this point.

I agree, but should add that I don't feel the signing of Rice would prevent Moss and Crowder from playing. There's no reason Crowder shouldn't take Engelberger's starting job by mid-season and adding Rice could not only provide someone to help teach Moss, but provide additional incentive for Moss fighting harder to earn PT.

dogfish
09-01-2007, 09:28 PM
I agree, but should add that I don't feel the signing of Rice would prevent Moss and Crowder from playing. There's no reason Crowder shouldn't take Engelberger's starting job by mid-season and adding Rice could not only provide someone to help teach Moss, but provide additional incentive for Moss fighting harder to earn PT.

i think you're right. . . i've said for a while now that crowder is the most ready of our rookies, and that he should be starting by midseason-- ekuban's injury makes it all the more probable, as crowder has the same kind of versatility. . . i believe he even took some snaps inside on third downs. . .

moss is technically the player behind ekuban on the current depth chart at RDE, but dumervil also took some snaps there with the ones in preseason. . . regardless of who starts, i'm not sure either is big enough to start fulltime this year. . . better to keep them fresh, and i'm sure we'll rotate them. . .

in a lot of cases i'd be against bringing in a high-priced one or two year rental instead of playing our younger guys, but in this particular situation there would probably be enough time for all three. . . and i wouldn't be surprised if the staff wants to bring moss along slowly-- with the injury earlier, he only started a year or so of college, and he's already been slowed by a slight injury in TC. . . it may be a situation where they feel they need another legitimate pass rusher, and rice is certainly more proven than our young guys if he's completely healthy. . . i wouldn't expect him to come in and put up 12-15 sacks or anything like that, though. . .

with three capable base ends on the roster (crowder, engelberger, and mckinley can play there if necessary), they may want an additional guy who can line up in that wide 9-technique, since ekuban and lang are both gone. . .


or, maybe they're just kicking his tires. . . we'll see. . . i haven't been one of the people hollering about "we should get him," but i certainly won't be disappointed if we do. . . . :noidea:

i'd still rather see us go after another body at DT, though. . .

xX-Bronco-Xx
09-01-2007, 09:44 PM
I wouldn't mind having Rice as an insurance policy in case the rookies play bad or get injured and he'll be bringing in the pass rush that we desperately needed so I don't see the harm in it except for taking some playing time off the other DE's.

broncosinindy
09-02-2007, 12:40 AM
glad i'm not TOTALLY crazy!

I have seen him listed anywhere from 296 - 315 lbs. i think he was 296 at the combine.

Well looks as though our rookies will be get indoctrinated by fire. which is good. it could be a rough year for our D though.

DenBronx
09-02-2007, 03:16 AM
Denver making big run at Rice
Broncos vying for pass rusher
By Bill Williamson
Denver Post Staff Writer
Article Launched: 09/02/2007 01:00:00 AM MDT


The Broncos' final cuts weren't as much about who was cut, although there were some interesting names on the list. They were more about what could happen next, particularly at running back and on the defensive line.

As the Broncos said goodbye to several players Saturday, they were heating up talks with free-agent defensive end Simeon Rice, the biggest name on the market. Indications were that Rice will visit the Broncos as soon as today. Discussions began with his agent Saturday night.

Rice said "it is down to" Denver and St. Louis.

"I haven't heard a bad thing about Denver," said Rice, who was a teammate of Broncos safety John Lynch's with Tampa Bay. "I've talked to John and he raves about Denver and how happy he is there. I think Denver may be a great place for me. ... If that team is on the verge of the playoffs, then I'll take them to the Super Bowl. That's what I do."

Rice is a pass-rush specialist and has 121 sacks, the second most of any active NFL player. The biggest issues with him are a shoulder injury and his price tag. Rice said he passed the Rams' physical on Friday and said he would be ready to play in Denver's opener at Buffalo next Sunday should he sign with the Broncos.

Last month, Broncos coach Mike Shanahan said he liked Rice's work ethic and that the team would monitor him. The Broncos have the salary cap room to sign Rice, 33.

Rice would bring a pass-rush presence to a defensive line that is ever-changing. The volatile nature of change on the line took another turn Saturday when defensive tackle Jimmy Kennedy was released. Kennedy was acquired from St. Louis in June for a sixth-round draft pick. Kennedy's exit follows the Aug. 20 trade of tackle Gerard Warren to Oakland.

With Kennedy gone, it appears rookie Marcus Thomas, former practice squad player Antwon Burton and veteran Alvin McKinley will back up starters Sam Adams and surprise starter Amon Gordon. Denver's current starting defensive ends are John Engelberger and Elvis Dumervil, with top draft picks Jarvis Moss and Tim Crowder likely to get a lot of playing time as rookies.

While the Broncos' defensive line is in flux, the running back situation also is worth keeping an eye on. The Broncos made the bold move of releasing Kyle Johnson, a three-year starter at fullback. Johnson's cut came out of nowhere, considering he started in training camp and in the preseason. He was held out of Thursday's preseason finale against Arizona along with the other starters.

But the Broncos never thought Johnson was a strong blocker and decided to go younger. Cecil Sapp and Mike Bell, who worked at tailback virtually all summer, are now the team's top fullbacks. Tailback Travis Henry will be backed up by undrafted rookie Selvin Young, who is the clear No. 2 tailback. Former practice squad player Andre Hall was kept as well.

Bell's situation could be fluid. If the Broncos are offered the right price in a trade proposal, Bell, the No. 2 back last season, could be dealt. He has made it clear he would rather be a tailback.

Other notable players released Saturday by the Broncos were wide receiver and returner Quincy Morgan, defensive end John Browning and safety Steve Cargile.

The team is high on second-year players Domenik Hixon and Brian Clark behind top three receivers Javon Walker, Brandon Marshall and Brandon Stokley. Hixon and Clark will also figure into the team's return plans. Morgan was the Broncos' kicker returner last season after he was signed.

"It's heart-wrenching," Morgan said Saturday. "But it's the NFL."

The Broncos will sign up to eight players to the practice squad today.

sneakers
09-02-2007, 04:19 AM
Don't sign Rice! Just look how well the last time we signed a over the hill player named Rice.

We don't need any :slug:'s on the defensive line.

BroncoManiac_69
09-02-2007, 04:54 AM
Don't sign Rice! Just look how well the last time we signed a over the hill player named Rice.

We don't need any :slug:'s on the defensive line.

We didn't sign Jerry and I in a way wish we would have. My God..the guy is a legend and we should have gave him the 3rd spot just from reputation alone.

Watching college ball this weekend, it was sad to see players go down in week one thinking they had a shot at any chance of being in the NFL.

Second chances have proven good in many cases. Yes, some didn't work out so well (Tony Dorsett) but sometimes a big name older player just needs that opportunity.

BroncoWave
09-02-2007, 08:13 AM
I've questioned it but the more I think about it, the more I would love for us to sign Rice. Sure he might take some PT from our young guys but if he helps us win, WHO CARES!? You can tell from the interview that he's hungry for a Super Bowl and I think he will play his *** off to get us there. And even if he isn't as effective as we would hope, he would still be a great mentor to the young guys. And I think the fact that we have Lynch and our "off the chain uniforms :laugh:" (as he stated in another interview) will give us the edge over STL in signing him.

TXBRONC
09-02-2007, 09:06 AM
We didn't sign Jerry and I in a way wish we would have. My God..the guy is a legend and we should have gave him the 3rd spot just from reputation alone.

Watching college ball this weekend, it was sad to see players go down in week one thinking they had a shot at any chance of being in the NFL.

Second chances have proven good in many cases. Yes, some didn't work out so well (Tony Dorsett) but sometimes a big name older player just needs that opportunity.

69 Jerry wasn't getting any kind of separation from cornerbacks. In the last preseason game of that year he was going up against 2nd and 3rd team corners, the kind of players that had always beaten like a rented mule and he just couldn't get away from them.

topscribe
09-02-2007, 09:20 AM
I assume, and have to hope, they know what they are doing in cutting
Kennedy and talking to Rice. It just seems to me that we don't need more DEs.
We have a lot of those. It seems to me we need DTs. Here we were getting
a lot of beef into the corral, onlyl to turn them back out to pasture. :confused:

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squints
09-02-2007, 10:58 AM
If Rice starts or is a back up, that will give Denver 5 solid DEs. With the D line in rotation, that will mean Denver will have a fresh solid DE in the game at all times.

Lonestar
09-02-2007, 11:38 AM
I assume, and have to hope, they know what they are doing in cutting
Kennedy and talking to Rice. It just seems to me that we don't need more DEs.
We have a lot of those. It seems to me we need DTs. Here we were getting
a lot of beef into the corral, onlyl to turn them back out to pasture. :confused:

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I suspect that if they bring him in it will be incentive based and as role model for the kiddies.

They could have alot worse role models and frankly he is not gonna play every down anyway.

keithbishop
09-02-2007, 12:06 PM
or, maybe they're just kicking his tires. . . we'll see. . . i haven't been one of the people hollering about "we should get him," but i certainly won't be disappointed if we do. . . . :noidea:

i'd still rather see us go after another body at DT, though. . .

I hear Jimmy Kennedy is available. :laugh:


Yes, DT is definitely more of a priority. Perhaps someone will be brought in from this weekend's cuts.

BANJOPICKER1
09-02-2007, 12:22 PM
Like I said before,I will take any player they think could help the team..:first:

broncosinindy
09-02-2007, 02:07 PM
Looking over roster cuts i dont see anywhere we could fill that would help this team out this year. sure we could get some practice squad guys but that is it. now i wish we had brought in Kris Jenkins

broncosinindy
09-02-2007, 02:09 PM
Over at mania they say he signed with the Rams

TXBRONC
09-02-2007, 02:11 PM
Looking over roster cuts i dont see anywhere we could fill that would help this team out this year. sure we could get some practice squad guys but that is it. now i wish we had brought in Kris Jenkins

Doesn't Kris have a hard time staying healthy?

squints
09-02-2007, 02:12 PM
Crap, I was hoping he signed with us

TXBRONC
09-02-2007, 02:16 PM
I don't think he has signed with anyone just yet. I was watching NFL Network and Darrin Horton repeated that Rice would like to come to Denver for a visit. I don't know if anything has been arranged yet I'm sure we'll find out soon enough.

Krugan
09-02-2007, 02:19 PM
Im not sold on this move, although, if healthy he has shown to be an impact player.

I dont think our weakness is DE but DT and LB'ers not playing up to expectations.

DenBronx
09-02-2007, 02:37 PM
Over at mania they say he signed with the Rams

this is a current article from today. it says rice is yet to sign.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/rams/story/4B48D2768613AA8286257348008274C3?OpenDocument

TXBRONC
09-02-2007, 02:40 PM
this is a current article from today. it says rice is yet to sign.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/rams/story/4B48D2768613AA8286257348008274C3?OpenDocument


Interesting they haven't even offered him a contract yet.

dogfish
09-02-2007, 02:43 PM
Looking over roster cuts i dont see anywhere we could fill that would help this team out this year. sure we could get some practice squad guys but that is it. now i wish we had brought in Kris Jenkins




I hear Jimmy Kennedy is available. :laugh:


Yes, DT is definitely more of a priority. Perhaps someone will be brought in from this weekend's cuts.


real comedian, aren't you KB? :rolleyes:


:laugh:


philly just cut ian scott, the former bears DT that we were reportedly interested in earlier in the offseason. . . with any luck, maybe we'll take a look at him now that he's available again. . .

DenBronx
09-02-2007, 02:47 PM
Interesting they haven't even offered him a contract yet.

im pretty sure verbal agreements and expectations have been discussed with the agents. st louis is probably waiting to see what denver offers and then see is they can match or better it.

rice needs to get out of tampa either way.

rice did say he would be ready to go for our season opener. sounds pretty healthy to me. he passed a physical already. hope we hear more about him in denver soon.

rcsodak
09-02-2007, 04:32 PM
Over at mania they say he signed with the Rams

so.:confused:

rcsodak
09-02-2007, 04:39 PM
I don't really want that guy here, because I'd rather see Dumervil and Moss get lots of PT.

And they get injured, and then what?

Moss has already missed time from injury...

...dumervil is 'small'....

I'd like to see a PROVEN pro-bowl DE on the roster, and have somebody for the rooks to watch and learn from.

Rice has a $4mil offer from the bucs....

...so unless denver or st louis offers more, I can see him just sticking with them. And with their puking DE injured, who knows if they don't 'up' the ante?

rcsodak
09-02-2007, 04:48 PM
philly just cut ian scott, the former bears DT that we were reportedly interested in earlier in the offseason. . . with any luck, maybe we'll take a look at him now that he's available again. . .

Why? Because he's so good? :laugh:

dogfish
09-02-2007, 05:06 PM
Why? Because he's so good? :laugh:

i have no idea why they cut him, and it doesn't matter-- he is better than any DT on our roster right now, with the possible exception of sam adams. . .

he's a younger, stronger version of mike myers-- bit undersized, but tough and plays with good leverage and technique. . . he's a smart, reliable vet with a high motor, who was chicago's most consistent run stopper the past few years. . . he may not be a big name, but he's a far more proven option than amon gordon or antwon burton (or marcus thomas). . .

BigBroncLove
09-02-2007, 05:13 PM
i have no idea why they cut him, and it doesn't matter-- he is better than any DT on our roster right now, with the possible exception of sam adams. . .

he's a younger, stronger version of mike myers-- bit undersized, but tough and plays with good leverage and technique. . . he's a smart, reliable vet with a high motor, who was chicago's most consistent run stopper the past few years. . . he may not be a big name, but he's a far more proven option than amon gordon or antwon burton (or marcus thomas). . .

Agreed, we had some good discussions on him during the off season. All this Rice tal kthough at the BM boards is getting to be drag out boring. No one is talkign football anymore, just Rice Rice Rice..... I feel like I am at PF Changs (j/k)

I would like Ian Scott, but you have to wonder how he would take to Denvers Scheme, as it would be an adjustment for him. I would say a few weeks at best for him to adapt properly, but I like him as a DT over many of the options on the BRoncos roster....

*Atwater*
09-02-2007, 05:32 PM
Man our uniforms are off the hizzy, fo' shizzy fo sho. http://forums.denverbroncos.com/images/smilies/th_goofy.gif

TXBRONC
09-02-2007, 05:39 PM
Man our uniforms are off the hizzy, fo' shizzy fo sho. http://forums.denverbroncos.com/images/smilies/th_goofy.gif

Would you mind translating that to English? :confused: I have hunch it's a compliment, I would just like to know exactly what it is you said. :D

*Atwater*
09-02-2007, 05:42 PM
Would you mind translating that to English? :confused: I have hunch it's a compliment, I would just like to know exactly what it is you said. :D

I said that are uniforms are very cool for sure. :D

Retired_Member_001
09-02-2007, 05:54 PM
I'm not going crazy over this.

Aslong as he doesn't demand too much money then I think it would be a good signing. These old guys who used to be spectacular are risky pickups if you spend alot of money.

I am worried about DT, Sam Adams looks reenergized which is good but he is still old, Amon Gordon hasn't proved anything, Marcus Thomas hasn't proved anything and Alvin McKinley is a backup at best. Another DT pickup would have been usefull but I understand if Shanahan and Jim Bates don't feel the youngsters are ready. I just hope we don't overpay for Rice because I think we may need to go looking for another DT.

TXBRONC
09-02-2007, 05:58 PM
I said that are uniforms are very cool for sure. :D


Thanks for the translation my jive talk (at least that's what they called when I was kid) is rusty to say the least. :laugh:

broncosinindy
09-02-2007, 06:01 PM
so.:confused:
Sure.:der::pizza:

Skinny
09-02-2007, 06:26 PM
Just checked the local newspaper in St. Louis and nothing on Rice signing. Of course that may just meen it has'nt been printed yet.

But they did pick up Antonio Pittman of waivers. :beer: lol

broncosinindy
09-02-2007, 06:39 PM
And they get injured, and then what?

Moss has already missed time from injury...

...dumervil is 'small'....

I'd like to see a PROVEN pro-bowl DE on the roster, and have somebody for the rooks to watch and learn from.

Rice has a $4mil offer from the bucs....

...so unless Denver or st Louis offers more, I can see him just sticking with them. And with their puking DE injured, who knows if they don't 'up' the ante?
A proven locker room cancer.

Wants i would guess in the neighborhood of 7.0 million

A proven older Veteran that might not have anything let in the tank. Sure he got a lot of sacks two years ago but he had what last year 4. Besides he would be coming into a position where we are deep at.

With that being said he will not be a force much longer. and it will take time away from the rookies that could use the experience. sure it might hurt us this years but it will give them invaluable experience. where rice might not be around next year it very well could leave us in better position down the road.


Dumervil is small. and the two major knocks on him last year was.

1. His height lack of bulk. and while he may never get taller he can work on other areas to make it not so glaring. such as his strength. the man is strong as a bull

2. He got to the QB last year with his speed rush and when teams took that away he was not as effective. He has worked on his counter moves to make in the words of dumervil "make the tackle keep guessing." which i think will also help him against the run.

Dumervil is fine.


The only way to even try and work on injuries is get in with rick tutten and work on his strength. Which he should be already doing.


I can name a hundred what ifs with this team. i think the broncos are set at end.

TXBRONC
09-02-2007, 06:44 PM
Just checked the local newspaper in St. Louis and nothing on Rice signing. Of course that may just meen it has'nt been printed yet.

But they did pick up Antonio Pittman of waivers. :beer: lol

I know there have been a few people who wanted us to pick up Pittman, but obviously we don't have the room for him.

broncosinindy
09-02-2007, 07:08 PM
I know there have been a few people who wanted us to pick up Pittman, but obviously we don't have the room for him.

I dont know why but i think of Pittman more like a Tatum Bell. Im glad denver passed on him as well. to bad the Chargers didnt release Brian SIller

TXBRONC
09-02-2007, 07:16 PM
I dont know why but i think of Pittman more like a Tatum Bell. Im glad denver passed on him as well. to bad the Chargers didnt release Brian SIller

Maybe they're Big 10 fans. :noidea:

TXBRONC
09-02-2007, 08:39 PM
What I highlighted gives me reason to be leery of signing Rice. He says he wants to start, that I don't have a problem with, but as I have thought previous this guy want to be paid big bucks.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_5688604,00.html

By Jeff Legwold, Rocky Mountain News
September 2, 2007
The Broncos may have met the league's deadline to get their roster to 53 players this weekend, but rest assured the tinkering isn't over.
The team is still too heavy, if their past rosters are an indication, at running back, a little too light in the interior of the offensive line given Ben Hamilton's post-concussion symptoms and also taking its swing at free agent defensive end Simeon Rice, who is still telling friends he will end up in either Denver or St. Louis.

Rice was in Denver for a visit Sunday and did visit with Broncos officials.

"We're always looking,'' Broncos coach Mike Shanahan had said just before he made his weekend roster cuts. "The 53 you have this week may not be the same 53 you have later, it's just the way it is.''

Rice's agent, Tom Condon, has been working to find his client a deal that suits the defensive end in recent weeks. No small item since Rice has already told two teams he visited -- the Rams and the Titans -- he wants to start and he had refused to take a $2.5 million pay cut from his scheduled $7.25 million salary in Tampa before the Buccaneers released him, saying he had failed the team's physical.

That could impact whether the Broncos can offer what the former Pro Bowler is willing to take in what would figure to be an incentive-laden deal.


There is also the matter of that surgically-repaired left shoulder. When Rice visited the Titans Aug. 2, the team left the physical believing the defensive end was roughly five weeks away from being close to game ready, which they felt would be next week at the earliest.

However, Rice has told friends in the league that noted surgeon Dr. James Andrews said his shoulder joint is sound and that he should regain his strength.

The Broncos are also said, by at least two general managers, to be making the rounds about possible running back trades given they have four tailbacks on the roster.

One of those, Mike Bell, was moved to fullback last week and is expected to stay there if he remains on the roster, and act also as insurance if the Broncos had a lot of injuries at the position. Cecil Sapp, who was moved to tailback for training camp, has been told he's back at fullback as well.

The Broncos also have just five interior offensive linemen -- guards or centers -- including the three starters on the current roster. So while they have lined other players up at those positions temporarily in practice and kept two others who can play guard or center on their practice squad, that total is impacted by the injury to Hamilton, a starter at left guard.

Hamilton saw a concussion specialist at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center this past week and continues to suffer from dizziness after workouts

Shanahan has continually said he has no timetable on Hamilton's return.

PRACTICE SQUAD:The Broncos signed an eight-man practice squad Sunday and all eight players had been in training camp with the team. Signed were:

Former CU center Mark Fenton, who the Broncos have also played some at guard; center Greg Eslinger, a sixth-round pick by the Broncos in the 2006 draft; tackle Cliff Washburn; defensive tackle Steven Harris; wide receiver Glenn Martinez; safety Roderick Rogers; safety Steve Cargile; and quarterback Darrell Hackney.

legwoldj@RockyMountainNews.com or 303-954-2359

Skinny
09-02-2007, 08:41 PM
Yeah, i suspect he'll sign with the highest bidder. If he does'nt, it'll shock the you know what outta me!

TXBRONC
09-02-2007, 09:02 PM
Yeah, i suspect he'll sign with the highest bidder. If he does'nt, it'll shock the you know what outta me!

Oh yeah, I don't think there is much doubt about that.

Calibroncogrl47
09-02-2007, 09:04 PM
To me...when it is all about the money..like this seems to be..

Its shows that its not about heart and love for the game..

Such a shame!:rolleyes:

Wow thats kinda like a poem:laugh:

TXBRONC
09-02-2007, 09:06 PM
To me...when it is all about the money..like this seems to be..

Its shows that its not about heart and love for the game..

Such a shame!:rolleyes:

Wow thats kinda like a poem:laugh:


Are your feet Longfellows? :laugh:

Captain Speardog
09-02-2007, 09:08 PM
If Denver signs him to a 1 year deal I guess it won't matter how much Denver signs him for. As long as they got room for him this year and he doesn't affect next years cap I say go get him.

Simple Jaded
09-02-2007, 09:08 PM
The highest bid isn't going to be over the 5million range, and it sure as hell isn't going to be in the 7.2mil range he refused to cut in TB.

Unless it's a one year deal, the Broncos shouldn't get into a bidding war that goes into the 7mil range.

If another team is willing to pay him that much, they can have him....

Simple Jaded
09-02-2007, 09:09 PM
If Denver signs him to a 1 year deal I guess it won't matter how much Denver signs him for. As long as they got room for him this year and he doesn't affect next years cap I say go get him.


That's exactly how I feel...

TXBRONC
09-02-2007, 09:09 PM
If Denver signs him to a 1 year deal I guess it won't matter how much Denver signs him for. As long as they got room for him this year and he doesn't affect next years cap I say go get him.

I wouldn't think he's looking for just a one year deal.

Watchthemiddle
09-02-2007, 09:14 PM
Is this a matter of a once good NFL player now living off of his pro bowl days wanting a lot of money before he retires?

:confused:

Simple Jaded
09-02-2007, 09:14 PM
I wouldn't think he's looking for just a one year deal.


I wouldn't either, TX.


But the team that signs him can (And should) work the deal so it doesn't kill them if he doesn't have anything left, and has to be cut after the season.

The reason he will want a multiple year deal is that he'll want some kind of guarantee for this season. Since he's not on an opening day roster, his salary is not guaranteed to him and he can be cut at any point this season with the team getting off the hook for his contract......

TXBRONC
09-02-2007, 09:21 PM
I wouldn't either, TX.


But the team that signs him can (And should) work the deal so it doesn't kill them if he doesn't have anything left, and has to be cut after the season.

The reason he will want a multiple year deal is that he'll want some kind of guarantee for this season. Since he's not on an opening day roster, his salary is not guaranteed to him and he can be cut at any point this season with the team getting off the hook for his contract......

Ok but any team that signs would still be ont he hook for whatever signing bonus he get correct?

TXBRONC
09-02-2007, 09:25 PM
Is this a matter of a once good NFL player now living off of his pro bowl days wanting a lot of money before he retires?

:confused:

I don't know. :noidea:

Slick
09-02-2007, 09:26 PM
Ok but any team that signs would still be ont he hook for whatever signing bonus he get correct?

I believe so. Then if he fails a drug test, or gets arrested and disciplined by the league, teams can try to recoup.

It'll be interesting to see how the Vick thing plays out between the Falcons and the NFLPA. That's going to take a while though.

TXBRONC
09-02-2007, 09:40 PM
I believe so. Then if he fails a drug test, or gets arrested and disciplined by the league, teams can try to recoup.

It'll be interesting to see how the Vick thing plays out between the Falcons and the NFLPA. That's going to take a while though.

It will be interesting to see how this situation with Rice turns out.

TXBRONC
09-02-2007, 10:06 PM
If he wants $7 million or anywhere near that # then we should move on.

I wouldn't mind a 1 year incentive laden deal, but anything beyond that? Hell no.

That's just it I can see him taking any kind of one year deal.

BANJOPICKER1
09-02-2007, 10:27 PM
Dont forget,he really likes our uniforms,that could alone, cut the price in half!!:D

TXBRONC
09-02-2007, 10:38 PM
Dont forget,he really likes our uniforms,that could alone, cut the price in half!!:D

I'm sure it is. :laugh:

Lonestar
09-02-2007, 10:45 PM
If he wants $7 million or anywhere near that # then we should move on.

I wouldn't mind a 1 year incentive laden deal, but anything beyond that? Hell no.

I think we would be wise to incentify the heck out of a multi year deal. 4-5 with not big guaranteed money, if he walks OK by me.

He could be a good mentor/example for the kiddie DE we currently have on the team and by the time they are ready he is retiring or moving on to some other sucker.

DenBronx
09-02-2007, 10:50 PM
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_5688604,00.html

http://www.rotoworld.com/Content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=nfl&id=256


i think it would be best to sign him to an incentive based contract with a nice upfront bonus.

Lonestar
09-02-2007, 10:58 PM
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_5688604,00.html

http://www.rotoworld.com/Content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=nfl&id=256


i think it would be best to sign him to an incentive based contract with a nice upfront bonus.

If you do that then if he does not make it on the team next year you have dead cap space AGAIN.

TXBRONC
09-02-2007, 11:03 PM
I don't think he would go for an incentive laden deal, maybe he would but I'm just not getting the feeling he would.

Skinny
09-02-2007, 11:04 PM
http://www.rotoworld.com/Content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=nfl&id=256Thanks DB.
It's unlikely that Rice will come under contract with either club before the regular-season opener.:confused: Hmm...

rcsodak
09-02-2007, 11:07 PM
I wouldn't either, TX.


But the team that signs him can (And should) work the deal so it doesn't kill them if he doesn't have anything left, and has to be cut after the season.

The reason he will want a multiple year deal is that he'll want some kind of guarantee for this season. Since he's not on an opening day roster, his salary is not guaranteed to him and he can be cut at any point this season with the team getting off the hook for his contract......

He still has a few days for it to be guaranteed....

...if he signs after the 1st week, then the salary isn't guaranteed....only any bonus.

DenBronx
09-02-2007, 11:11 PM
Thanks DB.:confused: Hmm...



it was said i believe on nfl network that whatever team signed rice that he would be signed after the first regular season game. if he signs after the team that signs him would be protected if he is released. if he is signed before then they take a hit if they have to release him during his contract. something along those lines.

however, when your getting into a bidding war do you risk another team signing him? sounds like the rams are serious as cancer on getting him. so i dont know if i would wait another week for him.

besides rices agent said everyone would know by tomorrow morning. also that rice would be at whatever team he signed with practicing on tuesday. well he is still in denver and it sounds like that could be possible.

Skinny
09-02-2007, 11:17 PM
it was said i believe on nfl network that whatever team signed rice that he would be signed after the first regular season game. if he signs after the team that signs him would be protected if he is released. if he is signed before then they take a hit if they have to release him during his contract. something along those lines.

however, when your getting into a bidding war do you risk another team signing him? sounds like the rams are serious as cancer on getting him. so i dont know if i would wait another week for him.

besdies rices agent said everyone would know by tomorrow morning. also that rice would be at whatever team he signed with practicing on tuesday. well he is still in denver and it sounds like that could be possible.Gotcha. I figured it had something to do with the contract but was'nt sure what. Thanks for that.

On a second note, i really need to get "The NFL Network"! :sad:

Calibroncogrl47
09-03-2007, 09:25 AM
As Simeon Rice was getting ready to dine Sunday night with a contingent led by coach Mike Shanahan, the Broncos already were in the lead and starting to pull away.

"The Broncos are better than 50-50," Rice said. "They're like 55-45, maybe 60-40. Things are leaning their way. They're classy, man. All class. I want to knock on wood, but I feel like this is the place. I feel like this is a team that will challenge for the Super Bowl and create a Camelot type of experience."
Providing Shanahan's favorite restaurant didn't burn Rice's entree, the Broncos should be in good position to land one of the most productive defensive ends in NFL history. Eventually, the Broncos will have to satisfy Rice's taste for financial comfort. Nothing sells class, after all, like money, especially with the St. Louis Rams also bidding for Rice.
But if things go well for the Broncos, their visit with Rice will extend well beyond Labor Day weekend.

"I don't want to just go for a place for a year," Rice said. "I want to be there for a while and cement my legacy. I'm all about legacy, and I'm hungry to achieve it." Legacy? Only four players - Bruce Smith, Reggie White, Kevin Greene and John Randle - have more double-digit sack seasons than Rice's eight.

With 121 career sacks while playing with Arizona and Tampa Bay in his 11-year career, Rice is 13th on the NFL all-time sacks list. He needs eight more sacks to move into the top 10, and another 17 would put Rice into the NFL's top five.

Can the Broncos help get him there? After Rice, 33, was given the orange-and-blue carpet treatment Sunday, he was expected to enter serious discussions this morning with the Broncos, whose defensive line has been in flux since the final week of training camp. The Broncos wound up dumping veteran defensive tackles Gerard Warren and Jimmy Kennedy, and lost defensive end Ebenezer Ekuban to a season-ending Achilles injury.

"I think I can change a defense," Rice said. "Another thing I like about Denver is that it's a historical franchise."

After never missing a game because of injury through his first 10 seasons, Rice was hampered in 2006 by a season-long shoulder ailment that eventually required surgery. When Rice didn't pass the team physical prior to training camp, Tampa Bay wanted him back only at a pay cut from the $7.25 million he was scheduled to make this season. Rice refused and was released to free agency.

"My shoulder is straight," Rice said. "The physical wasn't the reason. Let's get real - the reason they let me go was money."

If he signs with the Broncos today, would Rice be ready to play Sunday in the opener at Buffalo?

"Do birds fly?" he said.


What a great Article!!.. My Favorite part is highlighted in Red. I guess we will find out soon:salute:

Retired_Member_001
09-03-2007, 10:23 AM
I agree with Nas.

If he wants anywhere near $7million then he can go to the Rams.

Who knows, he could have a great season but most likely it will be a tough injury plagued one in my opinion. I don't think even Shanahan is crazy enough to take that big of a risk on Simeon Rice. I would take the risk but ONLY if he would take a paycut.

I also don't think an incentive based contract would be wise at all.

Crush05
09-03-2007, 10:48 AM
As Simeon Rice was getting ready to dine Sunday night with a contingent led by coach Mike Shanahan, the Broncos already were in the lead and starting to pull away.

"The Broncos are better than 50-50," Rice said. "They're like 55-45, maybe 60-40. Things are leaning their way. They're classy, man. All class. I want to knock on wood, but I feel like this is the place. I feel like this is a team that will challenge for the Super Bowl and create a Camelot type of experience."
Providing Shanahan's favorite restaurant didn't burn Rice's entree, the Broncos should be in good position to land one of the most productive defensive ends in NFL history. Eventually, the Broncos will have to satisfy Rice's taste for financial comfort. Nothing sells class, after all, like money, especially with the St. Louis Rams also bidding for Rice.
But if things go well for the Broncos, their visit with Rice will extend well beyond Labor Day weekend.

"I don't want to just go for a place for a year," Rice said. "I want to be there for a while and cement my legacy. I'm all about legacy, and I'm hungry to achieve it." Legacy? Only four players - Bruce Smith, Reggie White, Kevin Greene and John Randle - have more double-digit sack seasons than Rice's eight.

With 121 career sacks while playing with Arizona and Tampa Bay in his 11-year career, Rice is 13th on the NFL all-time sacks list. He needs eight more sacks to move into the top 10, and another 17 would put Rice into the NFL's top five.

Can the Broncos help get him there? After Rice, 33, was given the orange-and-blue carpet treatment Sunday, he was expected to enter serious discussions this morning with the Broncos, whose defensive line has been in flux since the final week of training camp. The Broncos wound up dumping veteran defensive tackles Gerard Warren and Jimmy Kennedy, and lost defensive end Ebenezer Ekuban to a season-ending Achilles injury.

"I think I can change a defense," Rice said. "Another thing I like about Denver is that it's a historical franchise."

After never missing a game because of injury through his first 10 seasons, Rice was hampered in 2006 by a season-long shoulder ailment that eventually required surgery. When Rice didn't pass the team physical prior to training camp, Tampa Bay wanted him back only at a pay cut from the $7.25 million he was scheduled to make this season. Rice refused and was released to free agency.

"My shoulder is straight," Rice said. "The physical wasn't the reason. Let's get real - the reason they let me go was money."

If he signs with the Broncos today, would Rice be ready to play Sunday in the opener at Buffalo?

"Do birds fly?" he said.


What a great Article!!.. My Favorite part is highlighted in Red. I guess we will find out soon:salute:

We Could use some help one the defense!!! Great find!!!:salute:

Tned
09-03-2007, 10:57 AM
Ok, I haven't really paid attention, but how has he done the last couple years. I know he is coming off shoulder surgery, but is rice a washed up vet or someone that can still make an impact?

anton...
09-03-2007, 11:00 AM
im excited!!

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/12/06/big_kev_wideweb__470x317,0.jpg

but im not excited by the fact that our rooks will get less playing time...
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Skinny
09-03-2007, 11:09 AM
"I don't want to just go for a place for a year," Rice said. "I want to be there for a while and cement my legacy. I'm all about legacy, and I'm hungry to achieve it." There's no doubt in my mind he's hungry enough to come here and put up nice sack totals if he gets his money. But how much does he have left??

He's 33.

Is he worth investing alot of money in for a long term deal like he's looking for?? Worth it to the point where it does'nt come around to bite us in the butt if he only has 1 or 2 good years left in him, and we've inked him to a 4 or 5 year deal.

By that time (1 or 2 years) Moss and Crowder should be the anchors on the end. Even possibly Elvis or someone else for that fact.

I'm sure Mikey and crew are gonna think long and hard about this one.

I hope so anyways. Like most peeps, DT seems to be a bigger concern IMO.

RunYouOver
09-03-2007, 11:49 AM
Good article, thanks for the read! :D

Crush05
09-03-2007, 11:54 AM
There's no doubt in my mind he's hungry enough to come here and put up nice sack totals if he gets his money. But how much does he have left??

He's 33.

Is he worth investing alot of money in for a long term deal like he's looking for?? Worth it to the point where it does'nt come around to bite us in the butt if he only has 1 or 2 good years left in him, and we've inked him to a 4 or 5 year deal.

By that time (1 or 2 years) Moss and Crowder should be the anchors on the end. Even possibly Elvis or someone else for that fact.

I'm sure Mikey and crew are gonna think long and hard about this one.

I hope so anyways. Like most peeps, DT seems to be a bigger concern IMO.

Mike is great with these kind of deals. He will offer him x amount of dollars with alot of incentives to the point where Rice could and would have to prove himself. Mike is a great salesman. We will have to wait and see!!!!:noidea:

Chidoze
09-03-2007, 12:05 PM
Ok, I haven't really paid attention, but how has he done the last couple years. I know he is coming off shoulder surgery, but is rice a washed up vet or someone that can still make an impact?
It's tough to say.

Shanahan sees something in him that we need.

We'll have to wait and see.

rcsodak
09-03-2007, 12:13 PM
So how many of you will still be complaining that shanny signed rice, if he ends up with 12 sacks?

If a DE isn't stopping the run, and the other team starts abusing him, then the OLB/SS moves over there to help, just as a nickel/dime defender does.

It's called cat-n-mouse......

BroncoWave
09-03-2007, 12:16 PM
Man, I really hope the we get him. Not only will he bolster our defensive line, but he will be a great mentor to the younguns. He also seems pretty motivated.

rcsodak
09-03-2007, 12:17 PM
i have no idea why they cut him, and it doesn't matter-- he is better than any DT on our roster right now, with the possible exception of sam adams. . .

he's a younger, stronger version of mike myers-- bit undersized, but tough and plays with good leverage and technique. . . he's a smart, reliable vet with a high motor, who was chicago's most consistent run stopper the past few years. . . he may not be a big name, but he's a far more proven option than amon gordon or antwon burton (or marcus thomas). . .

How do you know this, dog? Surely, you aren't going off of his past play? ;)

For all we know, he sucks! And is therefore, NOT better than what is currently on denver's line.

I can guarantee that shanny WILL do what's best for the team.....new coordinator.....new players....I highly doubt he's just going to stop and wait for them to work out their kinks.:cool:

topscribe
09-03-2007, 12:26 PM
Thomas is a legitimate talent. Had he not been kick off UF football team, he was likely to go in the first round.
That, and we must not make the mistake by judging a player by his physical
age, regarding Adams. Lynch is "old," and so far he's playing lights out. Nalen
is "old," and so far he's been a blocking fool. He's been fulfilling his position,
and if he is doing that I don't care if he's 99.

And before we come back with a "please," regarding Gordon, let us remember
Rod Smith, Matt Lepsis, TD, and Karl Mecklenberg, among others. The Broncos
have pulled some veritable gems out of the low draft rounds and UFA. If they
saw enough in Gordon to send Warren and Kennedy down the road and vault
Gordon into the starting spot, then he must be showing them something. ;)

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Skinny
09-03-2007, 12:33 PM
..............Games....Total.....Solo....Ass...... PD......Sacks......FF......INT
2004 TAM...16.........40........35......5.........5.... ....12.0........1........0
2005 TAM...15.........40........33......7.........4.... ....14.0........6........1
2006 TAM....8..........20.......16......4..........1... ......2.0........4........0
_________________________________________________
Career.......166......464........395....69........ 56.......121........34.......5

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=970

Other than last season, he's been in every game except 2 through-out his 11 year career.

Pretty healthy and consistant.

Cugel
09-03-2007, 12:46 PM
I have no idea why the Broncos want Rice. He hasn't played football since 2005 due to his shoulder problems. He's been a great pass-rusher when healthy, but doesn't play the run great.

The Broncos already have 2 RDEs who can rush the passer, but don't play the run all that well in Dumervil and Moss. Why bring in an expensive aging 11 year veteran, unless it's for a 1 year rental? Yet he's said that he doesn't want that! The Broncos need to stop hiring expensive FAs and solve their DL problems with the draft, then rely on their own drafted players. That's the only way to manage the salary cap successfully.

This signing would mean that they don't think Dumervil and Moss can do the job. Yet the ONE thing Dumervil CAN do is rush the passer.

All the fans expecting big things out of Rice will be disappointed. If he had 8 sacks this season as a 3rd down pass-rush specialist that would be about what you could expect. I'd be pleasantly surprised if he had 14 sacks like his last season with Tampa. Not after missing a year of football.

In short, he's similar to, but somewhat better than Kenard Lang last season.

What the Broncos need are a couple of beefy stout DTs to complement Sam Adams.

About the best you can say for this move is that Moss can now sit on the bench for a while and won't have to be rushed in if he's not ready. I was looking forward to seeing Moss in there on passing situations, so I'm disappointed he won't see much action. (Obviously, Rice and Dumervil will be in on passing downs). :whoknows:

But if this is a multi-year deal, how long can Moss sit on the bench? Moss is the long-term starting RDE for this team. They invested a #1 draft pick in him and have to give him the chance to start (at least next year). In today's NFL #1 draft picks have to start at least by year 2 or they are a waste of money (a LOT of money is paid to these picks and you have to get your value out of them).

And if Moss is starting, how can Denver justify paying starter money to Rice to be a backup to Moss? At best this is another short-term fix. :coffee:

Here's Rice's career stats. For some reason NFL.com doesn't list him at all:

Year AGE Team LG GP Sacks SFY INT YDS LNG TD TOT OWR OPR YDS TD
1996 22 ARI NFL 16 12.5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0
1997 23 ARI NFL 16 5.0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
1998 24 ARI NFL 16 10.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 39 0
1999 25 ARI NFL 16 16.5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0
2000 26 ARI NFL 15 7.5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0
2001 27 TAM NFL 16 11.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2002 28 TAM NFL 16 15.5 0 1 30 30 0 0 0 0 0 0
2003 29 TAM NFL 16 15.0 0 2 12 12 0 0 0 1 0 0
2004 30 TAM NFL 16 12.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2005 31 TAM NFL 15 14.0 0 1 6 6 0 0 0 0 0 0
10 NFL Season Totals 158 119.0 0 5 48 0 0 0 0 8 39 0

topscribe
09-03-2007, 12:50 PM
You're absolutely right, Cug, IMO.

First of all, Rice is a bank-breaker. That's why he's unemployed right now.

Second, while it was thought Dumervil was not too good stopping the run, he
has turned out better there than previously thought, according to reports.
And he can rush the passer with the best of them, at least by what he has
already shown.

Third, it struck me that the FO is shopping for a DE, when DT is where they
are thin.

I don't get it, frankly. :confused:

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rcsodak
09-03-2007, 12:50 PM
11yrs....121 sacks...double digit in all years except for his 2nd, his 5th, and last year *injured*.


Simeon's greatest asset is his speed. It takes most opponents by surprise—even those who are ready for it—and causes many offensive linemen to lose their concentration. Simeon knows this and uses his quickness to his advantage as an intimidation factor. It even allows him to take an inside route to the quarterback from time to time, which creates added havoc for slow-footed tackle and guards.

Simeon has extraordinarily long arms (his wing span measures 86 inches), which pose another threat when he's rushing the passer. There are times when a blocker believes he has forced Simeon out of the play by pushing him to the outside. But he's still able to reach the quarterback's throwing arm and knock the ball loose.

When Simeon broke into the NFL, he was too small to play defensive end every down. But he's now listed at nearly 270 pounds, enough bulk to take on bigger, more physical blockers. While strength will never be his prime weapon, he has developed a bull rush that is effective when employed at the right times.

Simeon has always walked to the beat of his own drummer. This was a problem early in his career, when some coaches, players and front office personnel interpreted his aloofness as being cocky, selfish or both. While some will always paint him with this brush, Simeon has demonstrated to teammates, executives and fans in Tampa that winning motivates him more than anything.

http://www.jockbio.com/Bios/Rice/Rice_bio.html

rcsodak
09-03-2007, 12:57 PM
I have no idea why the Broncos want Rice. He hasn't played football since 2005 due to his shoulder problems. He's been a great pass-rusher when healthy, but doesn't play the run great.


I think you found an outdated article, because he DID play last year, though sparingly because of his shoulder.

And he has worked on his run-stopping, cug.Plus, how many all-around DE's are there REALLY, in the league, that can stop the run, give you double digit sacks, plenty of tackles, and cause the offense to scheme him.

Moss? Dumervil? I highly doubt they'll be too worried about them.

Skinny
09-03-2007, 12:58 PM
Mike is great with these kind of deals. He will offer him x amount of dollars with alot of incentives to the point where Rice could and would have to prove himself. Mike is a great salesman. We will have to wait and see!!!!:noidea:This has'nt always been the case though Crush. Dale Carter, Daryl Gardner, Trevor Pryce, Gerard Warren, etc...

Granted i don't blame Mikey 100% for those mistakes for there is a reason he has a coaching staff around him. But he is the one pulling the trigger.

The only thing that has me at the slightest of ease on this matter is that Bates (Ass. Head Coach/Defense) has his hands in it. Even then there are no garantees when bringing someone in as we Bronco fans have learned over the years.

Like you said, we'll have to wait and see.

Lonestar
09-03-2007, 01:16 PM
I'd much rather have another fat boy type on the DT position but if Bates like the kid and he is over the shoulder problem having on board for a couple of years can let the kiddies come along at a slower pace and still not hurt the team.

I have concerns over moss as he was sickly a year or so ago and really needs to put on a few pounds to help him hold up over a 17+4 week schedule and hopefully some play off games. Another year not under the gun of not having to play every other play will help him get there.

DenBronx
09-03-2007, 01:29 PM
i'll be pretty excited if we land moss. i think he is hungry for a championship and seems to be 100% healthy. what really stands out is he said he would be ready to go for sundays game, so im pretty sure he is going to stay in denver.

this week would be crucial for rice. they need to get him all the snaps he can get but im sure its going to come rather easy for him. hasnt he played in the bates system before?

DenBronx
09-03-2007, 01:31 PM
EDIT: land rice i mean

for some reason it wont let me edit my post. that is why i have so many spelling errors.

Skinny
09-03-2007, 01:38 PM
EDIT: land rice i mean

for some reason it wont let me edit my post. that is why i have so many spelling errors.lol, don't feel bad. I can't type or spell! Even with the edit thingy! :D

TXBRONC
09-03-2007, 03:05 PM
I guess all we can do now is wait and see what happens.

TXBRONC
09-03-2007, 03:14 PM
I have no idea why the Broncos want Rice. He hasn't played football since 2005 due to his shoulder problems. He's been a great pass-rusher when healthy, but doesn't play the run great.

The Broncos already have 2 RDEs who can rush the passer, but don't play the run all that well in Dumervil and Moss. Why bring in an expensive aging 11 year veteran, unless it's for a 1 year rental? Yet he's said that he doesn't want that! The Broncos need to stop hiring expensive FAs and solve their DL problems with the draft, then rely on their own drafted players. That's the only way to manage the salary cap successfully.

This signing would mean that they don't think Dumervil and Moss can do the job. Yet the ONE thing Dumervil CAN do is rush the passer.

All the fans expecting big things out of Rice will be disappointed. If he had 8 sacks this season as a 3rd down pass-rush specialist that would be about what you could expect. I'd be pleasantly surprised if he had 14 sacks like his last season with Tampa. Not after missing a year of football.

In short, he's similar to, but somewhat better than Kenard Lang last season.

What the Broncos need are a couple of beefy stout DTs to complement Sam Adams.

About the best you can say for this move is that Moss can now sit on the bench for a while and won't have to be rushed in if he's not ready. I was looking forward to seeing Moss in there on passing situations, so I'm disappointed he won't see much action. (Obviously, Rice and Dumervil will be in on passing downs). :whoknows:

But if this is a multi-year deal, how long can Moss sit on the bench? Moss is the long-term starting RDE for this team. They invested a #1 draft pick in him and have to give him the chance to start (at least next year). In today's NFL #1 draft picks have to start at least by year 2 or they are a waste of money (a LOT of money is paid to these picks and you have to get your value out of them).

And if Moss is starting, how can Denver justify paying starter money to Rice to be a backup to Moss? At best this is another short-term fix. :coffee:

Here's Rice's career stats. For some reason NFL.com doesn't list him at all:

Year AGE Team LG GP Sacks SFY INT YDS LNG TD TOT OWR OPR YDS TD
1996 22 ARI NFL 16 12.5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0
1997 23 ARI NFL 16 5.0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
1998 24 ARI NFL 16 10.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 39 0
1999 25 ARI NFL 16 16.5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0
2000 26 ARI NFL 15 7.5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0
2001 27 TAM NFL 16 11.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2002 28 TAM NFL 16 15.5 0 1 30 30 0 0 0 0 0 0
2003 29 TAM NFL 16 15.0 0 2 12 12 0 0 0 1 0 0
2004 30 TAM NFL 16 12.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2005 31 TAM NFL 15 14.0 0 1 6 6 0 0 0 0 0 0
10 NFL Season Totals 158 119.0 0 5 48 0 0 0 0 8 39 0

They haven't signed yet.

What I get out of this article is Rice liked what he heard, but that doesn't necessarily mean Shanahan liked what he heard from Rice and his agent.

TXBRONC
09-03-2007, 03:21 PM
So how many of you will still be complaining that shanny signed rice, if he ends up with 12 sacks?

If a DE isn't stopping the run, and the other team starts abusing him, then the OLB/SS moves over there to help, just as a nickel/dime defender does.

It's called cat-n-mouse......

I'm leery of signing him but he came in and was productive I wouldn't complain.

Skinny
09-03-2007, 04:20 PM
So how many of you will still be complaining that shanny signed rice, if he ends up with 12 sacks?I imagine no one except the ones who were wrong!

If a DE isn't stopping the run, and the other team starts abusing him, then the OLB/SS moves over there to help, just as a nickel/dime defender does.

It's called cat-n-mouse......"Common Sense" as i like to call it!;)

sneakers
01-18-2012, 03:05 AM
No one starts bumping old threads without me!

Tned
01-18-2012, 08:04 AM
No one starts bumping old threads without me!

Kind of asinine, don't you think? :confused:

TXBRONC
01-18-2012, 09:40 AM
No one starts bumping old threads without me!

Come on a thread that is four years old?

CrazyHorse
01-18-2012, 07:13 PM
Too bad we're not talking about Ray Rice.