Quinton Carter

[aulaza]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000160982/article/quinton-carter-has-new-court-date-on-felony-charges

This doesn't seem anywhere near as bad as I thought. Looks like it may turn out OK.

[Dapper Dan]

I'd like to have him back.

[slim]

What a dope.

[broncohead]

I thought it would be worse as well. If he gets anything more then a slap on the wrist I'd be surprised.

[Dapper Dan]

What a dope.

Don't talk about dope. LC will be in here any second.

[Tebowtime2011]

Good, now I just wonder how good he is at safety. Hopefully he can jump back on his feet after his injury.

[TXBRONC]

I'd like to have him back.

The guy in your avatar doesn't look convinced.

[TXBRONC]

I thought it would be worse as well. If he gets anything more then a slap on the wrist I'd be surprised.

By the civil courts I agree but Goodell is an entirely different matter. Who knows what kind of disciplinary action he'll take? :whoknows:

[Joel]

By the civil courts I agree but Goodell is an entirely different matter. Who knows what kind of disciplinary action he'll take? :whoknows:
He's not a Pro Bowler, so probably screwed. When will these scrubs figure it out: Hall of Famers can murder two people and the NFLs will commemorate their retirement by giving them a second SB as a going away present. If a Pro Bowler's on probation for keeping an armory in his basement and can't leave the county, the NFL will successfully petition the court for his permission to travel to the SB. A SB champ will only miss 6 games for raping a chick in a bar bathroom. But a guy only good enough to be Rahim Moores BACKUP? Good luck, man; Goodell makes "examples" of the expendable.

[TXBRONC]

He's not a Pro Bowler, so probably screwed. When will these scrubs figure it out: Hall of Famers can murder two people and the NFLs will commemorate their retirement by giving them a second SB as a going away present. If a Pro Bowler's on probation for keeping an armory in his basement and can't leave the county, the NFL will successfully petition the court for his permission to travel to the SB. A SB champ will only miss 6 games for raping a chick in a bar bathroom. But a guy only good enough to be Rahim Moores BACKUP? Good luck, man; Goodell makes "examples" of the expendable.

He wasn't anyone's back up because he was on IR for the entire season. Losing your starting quarterback for a for almost half a season is big. Also when was he convinced of rape? Should he have longer anyway? I would say so because that wasn't first time Rothlesberger was accused of sexual miscondut. Again we don't Goodell will dol. So if by screwed you mean Carter will get six game suspension or more and hefty to boot I don't about that if this becomes a nothing case.

[aulaza]

He's not a Pro Bowler, so probably screwed. When will these scrubs figure it out: Hall of Famers can murder two people and the NFLs will commemorate their retirement by giving them a second SB as a going away present. If a Pro Bowler's on probation for keeping an armory in his basement and can't leave the county, the NFL will successfully petition the court for his permission to travel to the SB. A SB champ will only miss 6 games for raping a chick in a bar bathroom. But a guy only good enough to be Rahim Moores BACKUP? Good luck, man; Goodell makes "examples" of the expendable.

Kind of annoys me when people assert things like that when we don't know what really happened. Now I don't want to get into a debate about it or about Ray Lewis, but lets save calling people murderers without proof.

[Joel]

Arguing "there's no proof" wound be more convincing if the suit he wore the night of the murders hadn't completely disappeared. Before this years SB Shannon Sharpe asked him what he'd say to the victims' families disgust with him being made into a virtuous role model; his reply was "What would you like to say to the families? God has never made a mistake. That’s just who He is, you see.... To the family, if you knew, if you really knew the way God works, He don’t use people who commits anything like that for His glory.”

Sorry, as long as his defense consists of "the NFL handing me another Super Bowl is Gods vindication of my innocence," the accusation's not going away. The dead mens blood was found in his limo, the suit he wore the night of the murder has vanished from the face of the Earth, he made false statements to the cops, was convicted of obstructing justice and paid the victims' families $500,000 in an out of court civil settlement. Doesn't exactly scream, "INNOCENT," however loudly Lewis does. So the NFL slapped him with a $250,000 fine, less than he makes per week, and no suspension.

Carter ain't Lewis though. Before going on IR last year he DID start ahead of Moore in 2011, but he ain't Ed Reed either. We'll see what happens but, unlike Lewis and Roethlisberger, Carter costs the NFL more money than he earns it, so I wouldn't want to be him right now (for several reasons; when people try to screw the mob, their out of court settlement is rarely money.)

[aulaza]

Arguing "there's no proof" if the suit he wore the night of the murders hadn't completely disappeared. Before this years SB Shannon Sharpe asked him what he'd say to the victims' families disgust with him being made into a virtuous role model; his reply was "What would you like to say to the families? God has never made a mistake. That’s just who He is, you see.... To the family, if you knew, if you really knew the way God works, He don’t use people who commits anything like that for His glory.”

if Sorry, as long as his defense consists of "the NFL handing me another Super Bowl is Gods vindication of my innocence," the accusation's not going away. The dead mens blood was found in his limo, the suit he wore the night of the murder has vanished from the face of the Earth, he made false statements to the cops, was convicted of obstructing justice and paid the victims' families $500,000 in an out of court civil settlement. Doesn't exactly scream, "INNOCENT," however loudly Lewis does. So the NFL slapped him with a $250,000 fine, less than he makes per week, and no suspension.

Carter ain't Lewis though. Before going on IR last year he DID start ahead of Moore in 2011, but he ain't Ed Reed either. We'll see what happens but, unlike Lewis and Roethlisberger, Carter costs the NFL more money than he earns it, so I wouldn't want to be him right now (for several reasons; when people try to screw the mob, their out of court settlement is rarely money.)

Now all of that was fine. It was factual, and you're right in saying it doesn't exactly scream innocence. But it doesn't equal murder.

[Tebowtime2011]

Arguing "there's no proof" wound be more convincing if the suit he wore the night of the murders hadn't completely disappeared. Before this years SB Shannon Sharpe asked him what he'd say to the victims' families disgust with him being made into a virtuous role model; his reply was "What would you like to say to the families? God has never made a mistake. That’s just who He is, you see.... To the family, if you knew, if you really knew the way God works, He don’t use people who commits anything like that for His glory.”

Sorry, as long as his defense consists of "the NFL handing me another Super Bowl is Gods vindication of my innocence," the accusation's not going away. The dead mens blood was found in his limo, the suit he wore the night of the murder has vanished from the face of the Earth, he made false statements to the cops, was convicted of obstructing justice and paid the victims' families $500,000 in an out of court civil settlement. Doesn't exactly scream, "INNOCENT," however loudly Lewis does. So the NFL slapped him with a $250,000 fine, less than he makes per week, and no suspension.

Carter ain't Lewis though. Before going on IR last year he DID start ahead of Moore in 2011, but he ain't Ed Reed either. We'll see what happens but, unlike Lewis and Roethlisberger, Carter costs the NFL more money than he earns it, so I wouldn't want to be him right now (for several reasons; when people try to screw the mob, their out of court settlement is rarely money.) His entourage did it, their was a scrum, actually a pretty big fight and he has body guards to protect him. Trying to cover up the crime by telling his entourage to lie is the only thing he is guilty of. He is innocent until proven guilty, and as long as there is not enough evidence to convict him of murder then he is innocent.

[Joel]

His entourage did it, their was a scrum, actually a pretty big fight and he has body guards to protect him. Trying to cover up the crime by telling his entourage to lie is the only thing he is guilty of. He is innocent until proven guilty, and as long as there is not enough evidence to convict him of murder then he is innocent.
We don't know what happened, and Lewis made sure we never will; that's why he was convicted of obstructing justice (a felony.) That's serious in itself; it forced the only US presidential resignation in history even when no blood was spilt. In this case blood WAS spilt: Two men died; whether that makes Lewis a murderer or "merely" an accessory to murder is a fine distinction. It's still another, violent, felony on top of the first.

I'm not saying the guy should be in prison (though if you or I were convicted of obstructing a murder investigation that's EXACTLY where we'd be.) However, the NFL isn't a courtroom, and has a history of harsh penalties for violence resulting from hanging out with thugs or frequenting thuggish locales. Protecting the NFLs image (which is the name of the game) means avoiding even the appearance of impropriety, and zero tolerance for those who don't. Unless, of course, the guy's a Pro Bowler; then the revenue he earns the NFL outweighs that lost when fans abandon the game in disgust.

Shannons question was valid, particularly as the media escalated its ten year portrayal of Lewis as a paragon of virtue and great humanitarian (if vegetarians eat vegetables...). The slain mens' families awaited an answer that whole decade, and Lewis' half million dollar out of court settlement with them didn't provide it. His final answer that (basically) God exonerated him with 10 Pro Bowls and another Super Bowl trip was pretty awful. I highly doubt God handed 53 Baltimore Ravens a Super Bowl Trophy to vindicate and validate Ray Lewis: Roger Goodell did that. Here's to Champ and PFM being the most popular 2013 narrative.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Quinton Carter, a Denver Broncos safety, had felony gambling charges against him dropped by prosecutors on Monday.

Carter, 24, was charged March 9 with three felony counts of a fraudulent act against a gaming casino in North Las Vegas.

Carter was accused of placing $5 chips on a craps table at the Texas Station casino after the dice was rolled. Security officers said he was videotaped adding three bets to the table too late, according to the police report.

rest - http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_23081361/broncos-quinton-carter-has-felony-gambling-charges-dropped

[Timmy!]

OK. Now come beat out Moore for a starting safety job. :heh:

[SR]

OK. Now come beat out Moore for a starting safety job. :heh:

Nope. You need to come to terms with Moore starting. I'd LOL if Moore came out ballin hard this year and made the pro bowl or something.

[Timmy!]

Nope. You need to come to terms with Moore starting. I'd LOL if Moore came out ballin hard this year and made the pro bowl or something.

Id love it if he did, but i sure wont hold my beath. I have no problem with Moore starting if he is the best we have. Their rookie years Carter>Moore. Obviously missing a year with an injury puts him behind.

[shank]

it'd be great if carter can manage to stay healthy and steal the starting SS role from mike adams.

[SR]

Id love it if he did, but i sure wont hold my beath. I have no problem with Moore starting if he is the best we have. Their rookie years Carter>Moore. Obviously missing a year with an injury puts him behind.

Carter was better than Moore in their rookie seasons, but last year that obviously wasn't the case. Moore will be fine. He's no Steve Atwater, but he's plenty talented.

[NightTerror218]

OK. Now come beat out Moore for a starting safety job. :heh:

Different safety spots. Moore/carter were suppose to be the starters

[Jsteve01]

The odd thing is that coming out no one would have thought that Carter would show better ball skills and Moore would have been fined twice for bashing receivers, but that's just the way it's played out.

[Dapper Dan]

The odd thing is that coming out no one would have thought that Carter would show better ball skills and Moore would have been fined twice for bashing receivers, but that's just the way it's played out.

This.

I was reading evaluations on Moore in college. I consistently saw him called a good center field player, he can cover deep, but he doesn't tackle well and goes in too weak.

[Simple Jaded]

Carter was horrible is a rookie.

[Timmy!]

Carter was better than Moore in their rookie seasons, but last year that obviously wasn't the case. Moore will be fine. He's no Steve Atwater, but he's plenty talented.

We don't know if that was the case. Carter was IR'd in preseason, iirc.

[Dapper Dan]

Carter was horrible is a rookie.

The same Carter that picked off Tom Brady and Ben Roethlisberger in the playoffs?

[Tebowtime2011]

Carter was horrible is a rookie. On what grounds can you make that statement?

[SR]

We don't know if that was the case. Carter was IR'd in preseason, iirc.

Not in their rookie years.

[Timmy!]

Not in their rookie years.

Right. In their rookie years Moore rode the pine while Carter started, and as mentioned previously in this thread, had two picks in the playoffs. Last season (their second) Carter was hurt in preseason and didn't play, so its hard to say if Moore would have been better than Carter if he didn't get hurt.

[dogfish]

OK. Now come beat out Moore for a starting safety job. :heh:

he did exactly that the last time he was healthy. . .

[Simple Jaded]

The same Carter that picked off Tom Brady and Ben Roethlisberger in the playoffs?

Broken Clock.

The Broncos have one S that can't high point the ball and another that can't take fundamental angles to the ball, it's hilarious.

[Dapper Dan]

Broken Clock.

The Broncos have one S that can't high point the ball and another that can't take fundamental angles to the ball, it's hilarious.

I'm glad you find it hilarious.

[LTC Pain]

If Carter is scheduled to be 100% ready at camp, and with Moore and Adams on the roster. I don't see us taking a Safety in the first three rounds of the draft.