Broncos safety Quinton Carter facing Vegas cheating case

[Denver Native (Carol)]

LAS VEGAS—Denver Broncos safety Quinton Carter is facing felony charges following his arrest last weekend on allegations that he cheated at a Las Vegas casino craps game.

Carter was arrested late Saturday at the Palace Station after officials reported he added money to his bets after the dice had already rolled.

Carter was charged with three counts of fraudulent act in a gaming establishment. Each charge carries a possible six-year prison sentence.

rest - http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22791303/broncos-safety-carter-facing-vegas-cheating-case

[Northman]

Nice knowing you Quincy.

[Dapper Dan]

:tsk:

[BigDaddyBronco]

Looks like we might need another safety.

[Timmy!]

Adrian Wilson come on down.

[CoachChaz]

Wilson couldnt cover a tackle running a route. Pass

[chazoe60]

"Fraudulent acts at a gaming establishment"? How many times are the casinos themselves guilty of this exact crime on a daily basis?


Yeah, I'm to believe Blackjack dealers get 21 at a rate twice as high as anyone else strictly based on luck. :rolleyes:

[dogfish]

well that was dumb. . .

[broncohead]

Which safeties will we target in the 1st?

[NightTerror218]

DJ Swearinger come on down.

[claymore]

Seems like a stiff penalty. Ive taken dollars off the table when the strippers song ended and only got an ass chewing. Seems like a similar offense. :shrugs:

[tubby]

Seems like a stiff penalty. Ive taken dollars off the table when the strippers song ended and only got an ass chewing. Seems like a similar offense. :shrugs:

He must have been warned and kept doing it or something. What a dumbshit.

[topscribe]

DJ Swearinger come on down.
That guy hits like a .45 caliber hollow-point . . .
.

[claymore]

He must have been warned and kept doing it or something. What a dumbshit.

The problem with Vegas is you know they have it on tape. He is guilty. Im curious what the punishment will be.

[topscribe]

The problem with Vegas is you know they have it on tape. He is guilty. Im curious what the punishment will be.
30 days in the electric chair . . .
.

[chazoe60]

30 days in the electric chair . . .
.

Well, that should spark a change in his behavior.

[CoachChaz]

The problem with Vegas is you know they have it on tape. He is guilty. Im curious what the punishment will be.

Up to 6 in prison is what I read

[zbeg]

The problem with Vegas is you know they have it on tape. He is guilty. Im curious what the punishment will be.

It seems harsh, especially since hey it's Vegas and it's super cheap to get drunk. How many drunks try adding money after the dice have rolled because they're too hammered to know that the dice have been rolled or know what's going on? Do all of them get the same treatment?

I wonder how casinos balance that.

[cmc0605]

As someone who has spent enough time at a casino, this is just stupid on Carter's part. You can't add money to bets after you know the outcome of the dice, the dealer's hand, etc, and it's very hard to get away with. Almost impossible, especially at a legitimate gambling institution like in Vegas or Atlantic City. There are countless measures against this sort of thing.

[DenBronx]

Kind of a stupid thing for a millionare (on contract to earn more) to do. Money doesnt always make people smarter, sometimes it makes them dumber.


Ed Reeeeeeeed!!!!

[cmc0605]

"Fraudulent acts at a gaming establishment"? How many times are the casinos themselves guilty of this exact crime on a daily basis?


Yeah, I'm to believe Blackjack dealers get 21 at a rate twice as high as anyone else strictly based on luck. :rolleyes:

Legitimate casinos have no reason to cheat. The house already has the edge at the table games based purely on mathematics, and if they are caught cheating, it does nothing but harm their reputation and would end up costing them much more. People would not go there. They make money by bringing people in and keeping them at the table.

[zbeg]

As someone who has spent enough time at a casino, this is just stupid on Carter's part. You can't add money to bets after you know the outcome of the dice, the dealer's hand, etc, and it's very hard to get away with. Almost impossible, especially at a legitimate gambling institution like in Vegas or Atlantic City. There are countless measures against this sort of thing.

Have you seen this happen when someone was really drunk? How did the casinos handle it? I'm curious because I don't really ever play table games.

[cmc0605]

Have you seen this happen when someone was really drunk? How did the casinos handle it? I'm curious because I don't really ever play table games.

I've spent a lot of time at table games but I've actually never seen anyone attempt to cheat. I also play at fairly small-stakes tables ($5-10 bet minimums) with not much incentive to cheat, whereas someone like Carter might have been playing at high rollers tables where bets are usually $100 minimums. I'm sure the laws vary by state... I've never been to Vegas, only east coast places like AC, New York, Pennsylvania, Maryland.. In some cases I think you'd just be kicked out. Drunk people are often watched carefully, but it's usually because they start causing trouble (e.g., insulting the dealer, other players, etc) rather than cheating.

Most people realize that there's almost no way to cheat and get away with it in the modern-day casino environment. Every aspect of how cards are dealt, who touches the cards, how bets are made, how cards are shown, etc, etc has been time-tested because people have come up with clever ways to cheat over the decades. There's books written about this stuff. Once the casinos figure it out they adjust.

[Lancane]

This is why there needs to be a layered platform stupidity clause in NFL contracts... You do something dumb, the team can release you without penalty, are no longer responsible fiscally and receive a compensation draft pick for the players idiocy - the player gets a one year suspension, followed by one year probation and only then can sign a long-term contract!

:D

[BroncoWave]

"Fraudulent acts at a gaming establishment"? How many times are the casinos themselves guilty of this exact crime on a daily basis?


Yeah, I'm to believe Blackjack dealers get 21 at a rate twice as high as anyone else strictly based on luck. :rolleyes:

I don't think you get how blackjack works. First of all the house doesn't get 21 twice as often. I defy you to prove that one. Second, the house already has a built-in advantage because the dealer always goes first. There is literally no reason for a casino to cheat since they have the built-in advantage in every game. The only thing that's really risky for a casino is a sports book. They see huge swings in profit and loss there. Overall though it's still profitable, or they wouldn't have them.

[chazoe60]

I don't think you get how blackjack works. First of all the house doesn't get 21 twice as often. I defy you to prove that one. Second, the house already has a built-in advantage because the dealer always goes first. There is literally no reason for a casino to cheat since they have the built-in advantage in every game. The only thing that's really risky for a casino is a sports book. They see huge swings in profit and loss there. Overall though it's still profitable, or they wouldn't have them.


Good gawd man. It was exageration for the sake of humor. Pull the stick out of your ass.

[BroncoJoe]

Good gawd man. It was exageration for the sake of humor. Pull the stick out of your ass.

He kind of likes it there.

[iLands]

Three charges - up to six years for each.

Time for our MVP to pull his magic.

E> Steinberg

[broncohead]

Maybe he got away with placing the bet after the dice was seen and got away with it at the table (dealer didn't see). Then tried walking out with the winnings. Something like this is the only way I see there being an issue. I've seen people try and place a bet after the dealer says no more bets and they usually toss the chips back at that person and nothing happens to them. Oh well gives us a reason to possibly upgrade in the draft

[BeefStew25]

He just needs me rolling. :cool:

[Dapper Dan]

To think that he can get more jail-time than Vick or even Burress is sad.

[CrazyHorse]

To think that he can get more jail-time than Vick or even Burress is sad.

That's pretty ridiculous.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/14/quinton-carter-arrested-cheating-charges-vegas-craps_n_2879369.html

Apparently it was over $15.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

from article:


Carter, 24, was arrested late Saturday at the Texas Station casino in North Las Vegas. Security officials reported he was videotaped adding a $5 chip to three bets after the dice already rolled, according to a police report. Carter denied wrongdoing when police arrived.

Carter posted a message on his Twitter account saying he was "truly sorry for any negative attention this has brought to the Broncos, our fans and the league." He said he was confident he will be cleared.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_22791303/broncos-safety-carter-facing-vegas-cheating-case

[Dzone]

The Bellagio Bandit got 7 years for robbing a Bellagio casino craps table at gunpoint with a motorcycle helmet on. He rode off on his motorcyle and then went back and checked in to suite at the Bellagio with the money he stole...iirc, he stayed in the Bellagio and partied for a week or two before they caught him...I think the kid was from Colorado...How can a $15 fraud be as bad?

[Dapper Dan]

I'm hoping 6 years is like a worse case scenario thing.

Hopefully the glove doesn't fit and he goes free.

If he's guilty, hopefully some community service is sufficient.

[Jsteve01]

this incident is ridiculous on so many levels. Q is not some thug. The kid has been a model citizen everywhere he's ever been. This is a dumb move but I pray it doesn't get him more than a slap on the hand. Especially when you consider the stakes or lack thereof.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/andy_staples/10/22/quinton-carter-oklahoma/index.html

[Simple Jaded]

"Fraudulent acts at a gaming establishment"? How many times are the casinos themselves guilty of this exact crime on a daily basis?


Yeah, I'm to believe Blackjack dealers get 21 at a rate twice as high as anyone else strictly based on luck. :rolleyes:

Cheatin mother******s.......

[Simple Jaded]

Seems like a stiff penalty. Ive taken dollars off the table when the strippers song ended and only got an ass chewing. Seems like a similar offense. :shrugs:

I just stand behind the dude with all the cash, same show with a slightly different angle.......

[Northman]

Seems like a stiff penalty. Ive taken dollars off the table when the strippers song ended and only got an ass chewing. Seems like a similar offense. :shrugs:

Yea, im guessing those guys at Chippendale's dont mess around with another guy taking their money.

[Jsteve01]

Seems like a stiff penalty. Ive taken dollars off the table when the strippers song ended and only got an ass chewing. Seems like a similar offense. :shrugs:

Yea, im guessing those guys at Chippendale's dont mess around with another guy taking their money.bwahahaha

[HORSEPOWER 56]

All he really has to say is that he didn't hear the "no more bets" command from the table dealer which normally happens in roulette and craps. I like Carter and hope this blows over. I think he's our future at SS.

[Ravage!!!]

He must have been warned and kept doing it or something. What a dumbshit.

I don't think Vegas warns you about things like that. If they find you are cheating (which they have video of), they file charges.


But really, people are ready to say goodbye to a kid over this? Seriously?

[MOtorboat]

I don't think Vegas warns you about things like that. If they find you are cheating (which they have video of), they file charges.


But really, people are ready to say goodbye to a kid over this? Seriously?

If he gets any significant jail time, that would kind of decide that.

I imagine there's a fine and maybe 30 days in jail minimum type thing. He'll still likely be suspended two games. I'm not saying get rid of him because of it, but this is kind of strange.

[Ravage!!!]

If he gets any significant jail time, that would kind of decide that.

I imagine there's a fine and maybe 30 days in jail minimum type thing. He'll still likely be suspended two games. I'm not saying get rid of him because of it, but this is kind of strange.

Yeah.. when I first read tht thread I didn't read the article.... saw that he was accused of cheating at a craps table and posters were saying "goodbye"... thought that to be quite the over reaction. But if he's in jail, hard to keep him on the roster.

I just don't believe it goes that far. Thats a pretty insignicant charge to put someone behind bars for, even in LV.

[jhildebrand]

I wonder what his wonderlic score was. I mean you have to be pretty stupid not to think every single square inch of Vegas is under video and audio surveillance. Once again my statement in another thread that the first 2 picks the Broncos need to focus on DT, MLB, S. As it stands now it is looking more and more like MLB, and S.

[NightTerror218]

I wonder what his wonderlic score was. I mean you have to be pretty stupid not to think every single square inch of Vegas is under video and audio surveillance. Once again my statement in another thread that the first 2 picks the Broncos need to focus on DT, MLB, S. As it stands now it is looking more and more like MLB, and S.

well will have to see what a lawyer thinks. The tape could show a late bet, as the person is saying no bets or he could have done it after dice finished rolling. Or Vegas could be fudging it a lil like Vegas would do for more money hoping for a settlement and more money.

[BroncoStud]

Seems like a stiff penalty. Ive taken dollars off the table when the strippers song ended and only got an ass chewing. Seems like a similar offense. :shrugs:

Agreed, that's a damn stiff penalty for the crime. Ridiculous actually, even moreso considering it's a casino which makes a profit getting people drunk and taking their money.

[BeefStew25]

Carter is so stupid he could be Doom's agent.

[sneakers]

Wasn't it $5 or something?

[tubby]

Arnie Stapleton‏@arniestapleton
Lawyer: #Broncos S Quinton Carter was confused by the rules of a craps game, and wasn't trying to cheat at Las Vegas casino.

This is actually very believable. I mean, the dude has corn rows.

[NightTerror218]

Wasn't it $5 or something?

3 bets of $5

[Tebowtime2011]

Arnie Stapleton‏@arniestapleton
Lawyer: #Broncos S Quinton Carter was confused by the rules of a craps game, and wasn't trying to cheat at Las Vegas casino.

This is actually very believable. I mean, the dude has corn rows. They are dreadlocks sorry but you kind of made yourself sound dumb.

[tubby]

They are dreadlocks sorry but you kind of made yourself sound dumb.

Yeah, same thing. Who looks dumb now?

[NightTerror218]

They are dreadlocks sorry but you kind of made yourself sound dumb.

saying he is too white to know the difference?

[zbeg]

Is "racist ban" not a thing on this board?

[chazoe60]

Is "racist ban" not a thing on this board?

You can be banned for not being racist enough.

[BeefStew25]

Is "racist ban" not a thing on this board?

Only black people have corn rows/dreadlocks? I will fight you.

[cmc0605]

I haven't followed this story intensely, but it sounds odd to say the least. Craps is a very fast-paced game, initially confusing to new players, and it's not believable to me that this is a mere instance of accidentally putting a few $5 chips on the board late. In fact, I would expect this happens fairly frequently...especially if we're talking about $5 tables which are low-stakes and attract new players.

I'd like to know a little more about the nature of how he was putting those late chips down. If he was clearly putting them on "winning numbers" or doing it in a manner that looks like he was trying to conceal himself, then there's an argument. But if the late bets were out in the open and randomly placed, you could make a better argument for ignorance. Moreover, if it was the latter, the dealer should have been aware and immediately warn/educate Quinton of his wrong-doing.