Chris Harris is not a number 1 corner

[Jsteve01]

Is this a bash Harris thread. Of course not, but let me make a few points.

1. I for one hated the bashing bc and zam took for saying not that champ wasnt still a good corner but that perhaps his skills would better benefit the team at safety.
2. After the ravens game we now know that champ has officially lost a step.
3. The thing literally no one is talking about in the whole move champ discussion is who do you replace him with? Listen chris is a really nice player but champ even an old champ is still much faster than harris. And he still has better hips. Didnt like champs job on torrie? Just wait until you dont have true number one on your roster.
4. The real issue is how do you address. this moving forward. I believe th temps were a huge part of champs issues. Old muscles and ligaments are hard enough to get loose let alone at 2 degrees. The good thing is we saw it this year so it creates a sense of urgency. This team needs to focus energy on finding a legit long term option as a young number one. But i still believe when you look at his body of work champ still has at least one year left at corner. Those who are honest have to allow that zam and bc werent nearly a nuts as many played them to be.

[TXBRONC]

Is this a bash Harris thread. Of course not, but let me make a few points.

1. I for one hated the bashing bc and zam took for saying not that champ wasnt still a good corner but that perhaps his skills would better benefit the team at safety.
2. After the ravens game we now know that champ has officially lost a step.
3. The thing literally no one is talking about in the whole move champ discussion is who do you replace him with? Listen chris is a really nice player but champ even an old champ is still much faster than harris. And he still has better hips. Didnt like champs job on torrie? Just wait until you dont have true number one on your roster.
4. The real issue is how do you address. this moving forward. I believe th temps were a huge part of champs issues. Old muscles and ligaments are hard enough to get loose let alone at 2 degrees. The good thing is we saw it this year so it creates a sense of urgency. This team needs to focus energy on finding a legit long term option as a young number one. But i still believe when you look at his body of work champ still has at least one year left at corner. Those who are honest have to allow that zam and bc werent nearly a nuts as many played them to be.

I don't know if this game conclusively tells that Champ can't handle oppositions fastest receiver.

Even if a person believes moving Champ to safety is best thing to do it creates two problems. It depletes corner back position and causes a so who gets cut loose?

[slim]

He handled Smith fine in week 14. Maybe he just had a bad game. :noidea:

[Rex]

Old ligaments. LOL. The guy is an all pro CB. Call me back when teams start picking on Champ like they do every guy lined up on the other side.
Perhaps being so concerned about stopping the run and covering TEs and leaving your CBs on an island all day long while your all pro LB and DE get their asses dominated all day might have something to do with it

[Dapper Dan]

I think you make some good points. That game opened my eyes up, because I had higher expectations for Champ. He's always been so perfect. He's obviously not as perfect as I thought. He's at the beginning of his decline. He's still a very good corner.

The other point you bring up it who will replace Champ. I think some people assume we can just grab a corner in the first round as soon as Champ retires. We need his replacement to have a couple of years of experience. We have very solid corners. They do great at covering certain players. I think if you take Champ out of the equation, the rest of the group will struggle.

That's why I wouldn't complain if we took a corner in the first round.

[Dapper Dan]

Note*

I'm not by any means saying Champ is bad or incapable. I just think he went from being a top 3 corner to maybe one of the top 5. He's still great, I just don't want to wait until it's too late for his replacement.

[slim]

Let's not pretend like he hasn't gotten roasted from time-to-time.

I can remember a handful of games where he looked bad. Let's maybe not overreact.

[Simple Jaded]

When Bailey proves it's time to move that's when you discuss it, Zam and bc have been making this argument for how long? Bailey had been playing damn good football as recently as December! Moving to S is a natural progression for someone like Bailey, I don't think anyone argued that.

As the OP said, who knows who replaces Bailey, that along with the fact that Bailey's had a great season are why Zam and bc get bashed.......

[rationalfan]

So much speculation here we might as well discuss the taste of unicorn meat.

[camdisco24]

Champ may be getting old, but Champ having a bad game is still a pretty rare occurrence.

As for Chris Harris... I have no doubt he can be a #1 CB within the next couple seasons. He was awesome this season and rarely got picked on by opposing QB's. If you go back and watch tape and just focus on Chris Harris, you would be amazed how good he is at covering. Speed doesn't really matter if you can cover your man at all time. Plus, Harris is really good a disrupting a pass, saw that multiple times this season. Sure, he still has some work to do, but I expect him to emerge as our #1 guy when Champ retires.

[camdisco24]

I'm curious though... what makes people think Harris is slow? I never picked up on that this season...

[Chef Zambini]

every one makes valid points and has valid concerns.
Its nice to read a thread that focuses on the subject and avoids the hostility and personalized attacks.
I have NEVER said that cahmp was not a good cporner. I have always said he is the broncos BEST defender!
ALWAYS.
I just see all his skills and feel he can help the team more as a SAFETY.
I have never addressed what effect the move would have on the corner position, I just believe that CHAMP can benefit this team MOST as a SAFETY who protects our DEEP zone, or supplies needed run support, or ocassionally stuns the QB with a blitz, or provides HELP against the TOP WR.
I think champ can be more valuable doing all those things then just giving us a chance to play 10 on 10 football

Did champ have a bad game?
yes, but so did the rest of the D.

I think all this game did was get some of you to take a more objective look at CHAMP rather than your DEFIANT responses to any notion that CHAMP belongs anywhere other than the thrown you have placed him on.
only an idiot QB would throw at champ as long as goodman was out there as an alternative.
Now HARRIS gives QBs pause.
CHAMP will see more balls and get challenged more if he remains as a corner next season, AND...
if we continue to leave him out there on an island, that island is going to look like HAWAII and more Qbs are going to be willing to visit.

[jhildebrand]

Saying Champ lost a step based on one game and against one of the fasted WR's in the league is a mistake IMHO. Also, it isn't fair to say Champ shut Smith down in 14 as Smith left the game early due to the concussion.

The fact is the team didn't get a pass rush. We have learned this lesson from the Shanny days. It doesn't matter how great the CB's are if you aren't getting to the QB and they have 5 or more seconds to throw.

Champ is fine. This team is fine. The game was a perfect storm of elements that needed to happen for the Broncos to lose and they happened.

[Jsteve01]

Not sure who's "overreacting" in this thread. The thrust of the post was to state that although Champ has lost a step he's still our only option as a number one corner on this team. Chris Harris to be fair is Kelly Herndon maybe a little better. He's benefited from playing with some great pass rushers and playing opposite Champ. And yes cswil, as you know muscles and ligaments lose flexibility and elasticity with age. Cold conditions can exaggerate problems in this area. I know that statement is ground breaking and all.

In all seriousness though. Champ should be fine for at least one more year. I'm just saying Chris Harris is not the answer at #1 that many are attempting to sell him as. He doesn't have the hips or long speed to be our teams number one. Especially not in the Champ role as the guy out on an island.

[slim]

Not sure who's "overreacting" in this thread. The thrust of the post was to state that although Champ has lost a step he's still our only option as a number one corner on this team. Chris Harris to be fair is Kelly Herndon maybe a little better. He's benefited from playing with some great pass rushers and playing opposite Champ. And yes cswil, as you know muscles and ligaments lose flexibility and elasticity with age. Cold conditions can exaggerate problems in this area. I know that statement is ground breaking and all.

In all seriousness though. Champ should be fine for at least one more year. I'm just saying Chris Harris is not the answer at #1 that many are attempting to sell him as. He doesn't have the hips or long speed to be our teams number one. Especially not in the Champ role as the guy out on an island.

They are hoping that Boldin can become that guy. Not sure I agree with that, but I am guessing that's where their heads are.

[bcbronc]

thanks jsteve. Just for the record, I have no problem being bashed--it's expected on the internetz.

I do agree with you that Chris Harris isn't necessarily a true #1 CB. My thing is that I feel the day of the shutdown corner is more or less over, until the football world revolves far enough that it comes back.

The combination of huge, fast, athletic WRs with new contact rules and complicated read-routes/offensive schemes just makes it too hard to really shut-down top calibre WRs, especially when they have a top calibre QB throwing them the ball. There's a reason we don't see new shut-down CBs...maybe Revis when healthy, maybe Pat Peterson depending on how ARI uses him (haven't seen enough of them to say whether they use him in a strictly shutdown role), but a CB has to be SO good nowadays to be a true shutdown corner that it's asking too much of a guy, especially against the top offenses.

That's my reasoning for wanting to move Champ...yes he's lost a step (you have to be in denial to say he hasn't, even before BALT), but more than that I feel safeties are becoming the key to having a great defence (and obviously DL). I know this isn't a position the majority agree with--and the insecure feel the need to flame those they disagree with--but I can live with that.

[DenBronx]

Is Harris better at this stage of his career than Bailey? Probably not but he did play better than Champ this year. Harris is stronger, more physical and can make a game changing play. Teams are throwing more and more Champs way and I have seen him get exposed.

And by all accounts and from what I have seen from Harris, he deffinitely is worthy of being a #1. Heck he just barely missed the probowl this year, he's on record talking about it on facebook. Put Harris on about 20 other teams and he is hands down their #1 CB.

You can't compare Decker and Thomas because they both bring differant things to the table. Which is why you can't compare Bailey and Harris. I'm just happy to have them both and at least we don't have a Dre Bly or DWill who got continually abused on the other side of Champ.

[smith49]

I'm of the opinion that champ has still got some left in the tank. Maybe he's just slightly above average now. I'm positive he will come out and have a great season next year.

As far a Harris goes, I definitely think he could be a #1 DB. I honestly have a great deal of faith that he will get the job done when he is out there.

Having said that, I like carter and porter as well.

I really think that db's in general have struggled the past several season because of the pansy ass rules that we have now. The way that they are enforced and interpreted is a joke.

[dogfish]

He handled Smith fine in week 14. Maybe he just had a bad game. :noidea:

no, dude. . . he got beat-- he's done now. . .

[Timmy!]

no, dude. . . he got beat-- he's done now. . .

Worst corner ever!

[Dapper Dan]

Somehow saying Champ isn't as good as he used to be is implying that he sucks. Don't be stupid.

[Jsteve01]

Somehow saying Champ isn't as good as he used to be is implying that he sucks. Don't be stupid. how dare you imply that a 35 year old has lost a step

[Simple Jaded]

So much speculation here we might as well discuss the taste of unicorn meat.

Tastes like chicken, I bet.......

[ShaneFalco]

He is a #1 Stunna, awhat awaht what.

[WARHORSE]

Id like to move Champ to safety now, but not at the expense of hurting the corner position. If we have a good corner to play there, then fine.


While Chris Harris is not Champ Bailey at the corner position, he has played well.

Put a Champ Bailey over the top of him at safety and all of a sudden he becomes a lot better. He doesnt have to worry about the long ball.

Champ may have lost a step, which hurts his recovering ability that top corners rely on, but because of his instincts, he can still play alot faster than most in the league. He is still a fantastic corner.

But Champ at safety has alot of lure imo, especially with the pass rush we have.

Heres the deal in a nutshell: Put Harris on Smith during the ravens game with Champ over the top, and Smith doesnt catch a single long pass, and neither does Jones.

Outside the redzone, play Champ at safety and it stops the long pass while scaring the tar out of QBs passing deep no matter what side of the ball.

Come inside the redzone, you can now shift Champ back to corner where in the confined space, those loose hips and HOF ability are still top notch.

Harris could even play safety in that situation if an opponent kept us in that package, being a bigger thumper than Champ, still playing great in coverage.

[Joel]

It's a valid question, but part of what appeals to me about moving Champ to safety is that Adams and, to a lesser extent, Leonhard, is the only Broncos safety in whom I have ANY confidence. I'm fully confident in Harris as a #1, Carter/Porter competing for #2 and the loser playing nickel, with Leonhard at dime and Champ and Adams at SS and FS. That would be a truly lethal secondary, IMHO; there might be depth issues, but I wouldn't be worried about one of our starting CBs AND starting safeties, or wondering how quickly and cheaply we could find new starters at both positions.

Harris reminds me a lot of Champ in his prime. He isn't flashy, but shuts DOWN good receivers, has a nose for the ball, and makes hard tackles without missing any, reliably enough to get in on run stopping. Sound like anyone we know? Champ's played 14 years without getting <5 picks in more than two of them; in 10 seasons he had 3 or less. Everyone remembers the 100 yd TD return against the Cheatriots in the '05 Divisional game, but his greatness has always been the ability to play whole games against the best receivers without allowing more than 2 or 3 catches for a few dozen yards.

He doesn't do that week in and week out anymore though. People are throwing at him more, but that's not just because Champ has lost a step—it's also because Harris is DARNED good in just his second year. Maybe the time's not quite here yet to pass the torch, but it's fast approaching, a matter of months, not years.

[Ziggy]

Chris Harris could be the #1 corner on plenty of teams. He's an up and coming star. As for his speed, he's not slow. He ran a 4.48. If anyone needs perspective on whether or not that's fast enough for a corner, Morris Clairborne ran a 4.50 last year at the combine. He was the 6th pick in the draft.

Champ is still a top corner. I'd rather have to find a decent coverage safety than a corner on the market and free agency.

[Simple Jaded]

I'd be shocked if Tracy Porter has any interest whatsoever in returning to Denver, I think it's an act of desperation to think that Porter somehow makes Bailey's move to S a viable option in 2013.......

[Jsteve01]

Chris Harris could be the #1 corner on plenty of teams. He's an up and coming star. As for his speed, he's not slow. He ran a 4.48. If anyone needs perspective on whether or not that's fast enough for a corner, Morris Clairborne ran a 4.50 last year at the combine. He was the 6th pick in the draft.

Champ is still a top corner. I'd rather have to find a decent coverage safety than a corner on the market and free agency. harris got run down by flacco. Who is a 4.8 guy. I live harris. Not buying number 1 talk though

[Joel]

Flacco had about a 15 yard head start on Harris and didn't have to dodge any tacklers. That proves little, especially since he couldn't get close enough to keep Harris out of the endzone.

From what I've heard though, Jaded is probably right about Porter, and that does significantly alter the logistics. Yet Champ's not getting faster; one way or another, we must address that sooner rather than later.

[EMB6903]

When actually watching Chris Harris there is no reason he can't be a legit #1 cb.

Not only was he great playing outside he held his own when asked to play the slot which is much harder for obvious reasons.

Harris was easily Denver's best defensive back this year. He should have been voted to the probowl, not champ.

[SR]

When actually watching Chris Harris there is no reason he can't be a legit #1 cb.

Not only was he great playing outside he held his own when asked to play the slot which is much harder for obvious reasons.

Harris was easily Denver's best defensive back this year. He should have been voted to the probowl, not champ.

You're delusional. Champ had a GREAT season.

[EMB6903]

You're delusional. Champ had a GREAT season.

Champ had a very good season. Chris Harris had 3 ints 2 returned for touchdowns and was rarely beat along with holding his own against the run and 2.5 sacks.

To say champ had a better year means your going off of champs history or just not paying attention.

Harris had the better year.

[SR]

Champ had a very good season. Chris Harris had 3 ints 2 returned for touchdowns and was rarely beat along with holding his own against the run and 2.5 sacks.

To say champ had a better year means your going off of champs history or just not paying attention.

Harris had the better year.

Champ had two picks and was thrown at SIGNIFICANTLY less than Harris. Champ is also the best tackling DB on the roster.

[Jsteve01]

Flacco had about a 15 yard head start on Harris and didn't have to dodge anyone trying to tackle him. That proves little, especially since he couldn't get close enough to keep Harris out of the endzone.

From what I've heard though, Jaded is probably right about Porter, and that does significantly alter the logistics. Yet Champ's not getting faster; one way or another, we must address that sooner rather than later.lol harris broke on the ball heading in th direction ofthe endzone flacc was in rhe middle of the field. Facing the opposite direction.

[SR]

lol harris broke on the ball heading in th direction ofthe endzone flacc was in rhe middle of the field. Facing the opposite direction.

Does it really ******* matter who was where? No. What matters is that it was a pick six.

[Poet]

Champ had a very good season. Chris Harris had 3 ints 2 returned for touchdowns and was rarely beat along with holding his own against the run and 2.5 sacks.

To say champ had a better year means your going off of champs history or just not paying attention.

Harris had the better year.

He had a "better" season against easier competition.

Some of you guys are ungrateful.

[SR]

He had a "better" season against easier competition.

Some of you guys are ungrateful.

No shit.

[Jsteve01]

Does it really ******* matter who was where? No. What matters is that it was a pick six.

I just reported your post sir. Please refrain from cussing in my general direction and I was just making a point. You're grumpy lately red. Trying smiling sometimes.

[SR]

I just reported your post sir. Please refrain from cussing in my general direction and I was just making a point. You're grumpy lately red. Trying smiling sometimes.

I didn't break any rules homie.

[Jsteve01]

I didn't break any rules homie.

and i didn't report your post. Seems like we've got a bunch of over sensitive teen types on here lately. Just for future reference if I make a joking post and it offends you then tell me I offended you rather than reporting me for some bullshit

[Jsteve01]

I don't know if this game conclusively tells that Champ can't handle oppositions fastest receiver.

Even if a person believes moving Champ to safety is best thing to do it creates two problems. It depletes corner back position and causes a so who gets cut loose? Exact point I was trying to make.

[SR]

and i didn't report your post. Seems like we've got a bunch of over sensitive teen types on here lately. Just for future reference if I make a joking post and it offends you then tell me I offended you rather than reporting me for some bullshit

I was drunk

[Simple Jaded]

He had a "better" season against easier competition.

Some of you guys are ungrateful.

So what you're saying is it's easier to have a "better" season covering Mohamad Sanu than it is AJ Green?.......

[Poet]

So what you're saying is it's easier to have a "better" season covering Mohamad Sanu than it is AJ Green?.......

Hey now, Sanu was good for us, but yeah man Harris had the softer assignment.

[Simple Jaded]

Flacco had about a 15 yard head start on Harris and didn't have to dodge anyone trying to tackle him. That proves little, especially since he couldn't get close enough to keep Harris out of the endzone.

From what I've heard though, Jaded is probably right about Porter, and that does significantly alter the logistics. Yet Champ's not getting faster; one way or another, we must address that sooner rather than later.

Harris had a running start, a better angle and a blocker, he's 9" shorter and 30lbs lighter, yet Flacco still caught him.

As for moving Bailey, I would think the Broncos would prefer to do it later rather than sooner. Have you considered how much he'd be making for a S? I mean, surely you of all people would object to a $9 mil S, right? Considering how preoccupied you are with the Broncos salary cap situation.......

[DenBronx]

Flacco never caught Harris and was never credited with a tackle in the stats. Harris was credited with a pick 6 and we scored 6 points. I don't know why everyone says Flacco ran down Harris, he broke the plane and the play was ended with 6 points for the Broncos.

[SR]

Flacco never caught Harris and was never credited with a tackle in the stats. Harris was credited with a pick 6 and we scored 6 points. I don't know why everyone says Flacco ran down Harris, he broke the plane and the play was ended with 6 points for the Broncos.

No kidding. The shit people get hung up on baffles me

[Simple Jaded]

Flacco never caught Harris and was never credited with a tackle in the stats. Harris was credited with a pick 6 and we scored 6 points. I don't know why everyone says Flacco ran down Harris, he broke the plane and the play was ended with 6 points for the Broncos.

Please, the official result of the play doesn't change the fact that a 6-6/230 QB caught a 5-9/190 CB from behind.......

[SR]

Please, the official result of the play doesn't change the fact that a 6-6/230 QB caught a 5-9/190 CB from behind.......

It's irrelevant.

[Simple Jaded]

It's irrelevant.
Irrelevant to the official results, true dat.......

[SR]

Irrelevant to the official results, true dat.......

Irrelevant period.

[DenBronx]

Please, the official result of the play doesn't change the fact that a 6-6/230 QB caught a 5-9/190 CB from behind.......

How did he get caught officially? Harris broke the plane and scored, Flacco never was credited with a tackle on the play.

[Poet]

Joe Flacco ran down your cornerback who had been playing hard and fast up until that point. He still scored. It doesn't mean that Harris lacks speed.

[VonMiller58]

Times like these makes me wonder how good Darrent Williams would've been :(. I think we're very lucky for finding Chris Harris and I think he'll continue to do better. I'm interested to see what route we take in this draft.

[SR]

Times like these makes me wonder how good Darrent Williams would've been :(. I think we're very lucky for finding Chris Harris and I think he'll continue to do better. I'm interested to see what route we take in this draft.

DWill was decent but I think his legend makes him out to be a better corner than he really was

[Dapper Dan]

Harris had a running start, a better angle and a blocker, he's 9" shorter and 30lbs lighter, yet Flacco still caught him.

As for moving Bailey, I would think the Broncos would prefer to do it later rather than sooner. Have you considered how much he'd be making for a S? I mean, surely you of all people would object to a $9 mil S, right? Considering how preoccupied you are with the Broncos salary cap situation.......

Probably the first salary cap post I've seen in a long time.

[Simple Jaded]

Probably the first salary cap post I've seen in a long time.

Define "a long time".......

[Dapper Dan]

Define "a long time".......

long time - a prolonged period of time
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/long+time

prolonged - relatively long in duration
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/prolonged

[Simple Jaded]

Could you be more specific?.......

[TXBRONC]

harris got run down by flacco. Who is a 4.8 guy. I live harris. Not buying number 1 talk though

Good grief Steve Flacco did not run Harris down. He lunged at Harris' feet as he getting ready to cross the goal line. Which means by the time Flacco could even do that Harris had covered 90 plus yard.

[Dapper Dan]

Could you be more specific?.......

At least one month but less than one year is my guess.

[TXBRONC]

Champ had a very good season. Chris Harris had 3 ints 2 returned for touchdowns and was rarely beat along with holding his own against the run and 2.5 sacks.

To say champ had a better year means your going off of champs history or just not paying attention.

Harris had the better year.

No it not going off history. Quarterbacks were throwing more at Harris than they were Bailey.

[Dapper Dan]

Good Steve Flacco did not run Harris down. He lunged at Harris' feet as he getting ready to cross the goal line. Which means by the time Flacco could even do that he Harris had covered 90 plus yard.

So you admit that Harris is a little weak toward the end of his 98 yard dash?

[Simple Jaded]

At least one month but less than one year is my guess.
That pretty much narrows it down.......

[TXBRONC]

Flacco never caught Harris and was never credited with a tackle in the stats. Harris was credited with a pick 6 and we scored 6 points. I don't know why everyone says Flacco ran down Harris, he broke the plane and the play was ended with 6 points for the Broncos.

Exactly.

[Simple Jaded]

Good Steve Flacco did not run Harris down. He lunged at Harris' feet as he getting ready to cross the goal line. Which means by the time Flacco could even do that he Harris had covered 90 plus yard.

Flacco had to go around Woodyards block, how many yards did he run?.......

[TXBRONC]

So you admit that Harris is a little weak toward the end of his 98 yard dash?

Yeah I guess. He needs work on his finishing kick.

[TXBRONC]

Flacco had to go around Woodyards block, how many yards did he run?.......

No he didn't have go around Woodyard's. Woodyard's block basicially pushed Flacco forward. Flacco had to run about 10 less yards than Harris. That doesn't even include the yards and running Harris had to do before he even intercepted the pass.

[Timmy!]

Sneakers, time to break out the kitty pics.bud

[Skinny]

Love me some Chris "Hip Pocket" Harris. His understanding and ability to shadow WRs cutting and breaking in and out of their routes is second to none IMO. The biggest key to being a great CB. Is he a #1 right now? Who knows until he gets that chance, and obviously he won't till Champ relinquishes it. But he's got the skills to make a strong case for himself should that role open up.

[EMB6903]

No it not going off history. Quarterbacks were throwing more at Harris than they were Bailey.

Thanks for pointing out the obvious.

Harris also defended the slot a lot more than champ did. You champ dick riders act as if I'm saying champ isnt a great cb. I just feel Harris had the better year and believe he outperformed everybody on the defense not named Von.

[TXBRONC]

Thanks for pointing out the obvious.

Harris also defended the slot a lot more than champ did. You champ dick riders act as if I'm saying champ isnt a great cb. I just feel Harris had the better year and believe he outperformed everybody on the defense not named Von.

Some people like yourself need the obvious pointed out to them.

I never said Harris didn't have great year. Now instead of acting like a spoiled child read with thin skin read a few more post before insulting people. I have defended Chris Harris I just don't agree with assessment.

[NightTrainLayne]

I don't think we could ask for much more out of Harris. Look at how well he did against Boldin in our two games against Baltimore.

[TXBRONC]

I don't think we could ask for much more out of Harris. Look at how well he did against Boldin in our two games against Baltimore.

Agreed. When Porter went down I wasn't worried about because I was pretty sure Harris was going step in and do good job.

[DenBronx]

Times like these makes me wonder how good Darrent Williams would've been :(. I think we're very lucky for finding Chris Harris and I think he'll continue to do better. I'm interested to see what route we take in this draft.

DWill wasnt that good, he was burned regularly. Put the whole death aside for a moment. Before this fans on this board were going crazy about all of the deep balls he was giving up. Reggie Wayne absolutely abused him. Now add in all of the rules that have favored WRs over the years, DWill would most likely still be getting torched. He was scrappy and strong for his size but he still was short.

Harris is the 2nd best CB we have had in 15 years or so.

[DenBronx]

So you admit that Harris is a little weak toward the end of his 98 yard dash?

Harris actually ran the other way to cover the WR about 35-40 yards then ran 98 yards the other way, so in total he ran about 135 yards compared to Flaccos 40 yards or so WITH the angle on Harris, who had to worry about the WRs and avoiding all the Ravens before he was credited with the pick 6.

The end result was Flacco never ran him down or was credited with a tackle.

Now in Baileys pick of Tom Brady in the playoffs years ago he was actually ran down and tackled by TE, Ben Watson at the 1 yard line.

[SR]

I was run down by a chow one time. I was on my bike and it tackled me. He was credited with a tackle.

[Poet]

I was run down by a chow one time. I was on my bike and it tackled me. He was credited with a tackle.
The New Orleans Saints need to sign that dog.

[SR]

The New Orleans Saints need to sign that dog.

I hate chows

[Jsteve01]

The New Orleans Saints need to sign that dog.

I hate chowsjust an all around shitty breed

[SR]

just an all around shitty breed

I agree.

[Dapper Dan]

Harris actually ran the other way to cover the WR about 35-40 yards then ran 98 yards the other way, so in total he ran about 135 yards compared to Flaccos 40 yards or so WITH the angle on Harris, who had to worry about the WRs and avoiding all the Ravens before he was credited with the pick 6.

The end result was Flacco never ran him down or was credited with a tackle.

Now in Baileys pick of Tom Brady in the playoffs years ago he was actually ran down and tackled by TE, Ben Watson at the 1 yard line.

What if Joe Flacco was black?