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Tned
08-17-2009, 08:08 PM
Here are his tweets on the subject:


@jamiedukes (http://twitter.com/jamiedukes) 7:13 CDT BOMBSHELL ALERT COMING OUT OF DENVER.

@jamiedukes (http://twitter.com/jamiedukes) 7:35 CDT No one died if that's what you're worried about but i just don't know what they are thinking.

@jamiedukes (http://twitter.com/jamiedukes) 8:07 CDT Jason LaCanfora is working the story and will be posting it on his blog late tonight.

Devilspawn
08-17-2009, 08:10 PM
No smack, this sounds like bad news. Wonder if Simms is named starter?

Tned
08-17-2009, 08:11 PM
The "I don't know what they are thinking" makes me think Marshall.

Devilspawn
08-17-2009, 08:13 PM
The "I don't know what they are thinking" makes me think Marshall.
Hmm. Trade or mega contract? Might not be anything too big.

LRtagger
08-17-2009, 08:13 PM
I tried finding Jason LaCanfora's blog...apparently he is a Redskins reporter.

Why he has picked this up and no one else has leads me to believe it is nothing major.

BroncoSojia
08-17-2009, 08:15 PM
I tried finding Jason LaCanfora's blog...apparently he is a Redskins reporter.

Why he has picked this up and no one else has leads me to believe it is nothing major.

Well it wouldn't be called a "bombshell" if it was nothing major.

broncohead
08-17-2009, 08:16 PM
Could be a trade. Teams could have stayed away until after the trial. We'll see.

NightTrainLayne
08-17-2009, 08:17 PM
It's Jamie Dukes guys. I could be that McDaniels didn't let Brandon Marshall have a Gatorade break during practice and he'd call it a "bombshell". :rolleyes:

LRtagger
08-17-2009, 08:19 PM
Well it wouldn't be called a "bombshell" if it was nothing major.

If it was a "bombshell" every reporter and their brother would be all over it...not Jamie Dukes and some Redskins beat writer.

underrated29
08-17-2009, 08:22 PM
well if its skins, maybe they traded marshall for 2 firsts and devin thomas or something....Yes, thats a rip off, because thats what we do to the skins.


God please let brandon stay! Losing two probowlers in one year is not cool!

Tned
08-17-2009, 08:24 PM
I tried finding Jason LaCanfora's blog...apparently he is a Redskins reporter.

Why he has picked this up and no one else has leads me to believe it is nothing major.

If it really is a bombshell, than you would think the only way a Redskins blogger would get it first is if it involves the Redskins.

Tned
08-17-2009, 08:25 PM
Portis for Bailey and a 2nd?

slim
08-17-2009, 08:26 PM
Gotta be Marshall...hope we at least get a first.

Traveler
08-17-2009, 08:28 PM
Marshall & Scheffler for Orakpo, Carlos Rogers and Jason Campbell?

LRtagger
08-17-2009, 08:28 PM
Well just found out the guy now works for NFLN

Here's his blog:

http://blogs.nfl.com/category/jason-la-canfora/

Even still, I would think a bombshell wouldnt be broken on an NFLN blog.

UnderArmour
08-17-2009, 08:31 PM
Maybe Marshall was suspended anyways. I really hope this isn't it though, but it makes sense that NFL Network would be the one to break it if it were the case.

Tned
08-17-2009, 08:33 PM
PFT is speculating Marshall trade or punishment for faking/embelishing injury, or Denver having signed Favre.

underrated29
08-17-2009, 08:34 PM
Maybe Marshall was suspended anyways.

I htought that too, but dukes said, i just dont know what they are thinking. Leads me to believe that we did something. Roster move, trade, contract something. Because dukes would have said if it was a suspenion that they got bad luck or something.

slim
08-17-2009, 08:35 PM
PFT is speculating Marshall trade or punishment for faking/embelishing injury, or Denver having signed Favre.

:shocked:

girler
08-17-2009, 08:36 PM
I hate being teased like this. Why doesn't he just come out and say it???

frauschieze
08-17-2009, 08:37 PM
:shocked:

If that happens, someone put Claymore on suicide watch.

TDmvp
08-17-2009, 08:38 PM
If we end up with Brett I will need a doctor

NightTrainLayne
08-17-2009, 08:39 PM
:shocked:


If that happens, someone put Claymore on suicide watch.

I've been doing my damnedest to support Orton these past couple of weeks.

If they bring Brett *#@%^#(# Favre in here I will seriously question my fanhood.

Tned
08-17-2009, 08:39 PM
If we end up with Brett I will need a doctor

TD, haven't I mentioned lately my adoration for your avvies and sigs?

Tned
08-17-2009, 08:40 PM
I've been doing my damnedest to support Orton these past couple of weeks.

If they bring Brett *#@%^#(# Favre in here I will seriously question my fanhood.

He would make Orton's INT rate look great. ;)

slim
08-17-2009, 08:40 PM
If that happens, someone put Claymore on suicide watch.

Is it physically impossible for such a young man to have a stroke? I hope so.

elsid13
08-17-2009, 08:40 PM
I tried finding Jason LaCanfora's blog...apparently he is a Redskins reporter.

Why he has picked this up and no one else has leads me to believe it is nothing major.

http://blogs.nfl.com/category/jason-la-canfora/

underrated29
08-17-2009, 08:41 PM
I think we are in negotiations with the birds. The ravens for ngata. I just think we are going to screw ourselves.

Watch marhsall and a 2nd for ngata. I love me some holati but not for brandon and or a pick.

this is my guess.

TDmvp
08-17-2009, 08:41 PM
TD, haven't I mentioned lately my adoration for your avvies and sigs?


thank yas ...
I'll break out something new here in a few weeks for the new season hehe...

NightTrainLayne
08-17-2009, 08:44 PM
thank yas ...
I'll break out something new here in a few weeks for the new season hehe...

Why change a good thing? "Don't fix it if it ain't broke" I always say.

LRtagger
08-17-2009, 08:48 PM
It is probably the LeKevin trade :tsk:

frauschieze
08-17-2009, 08:48 PM
I've been doing my damnedest to support Orton these past couple of weeks.

If they bring Brett *#@%^#(# Favre in here I will seriously question my fanhood.

If they did, every justification for Orton over Cutler in McDaniels' system goes straight out the window. Favre is a gunslinger, just like Cutler.

I just don't see that happening. But if it did......someone walk me to the nearest ledge. I'll be drunk and I will jump.

Chris90210
08-17-2009, 08:51 PM
*Breaking News*


Josh McD Just traded Champ and our 2011 First rounder for Vick











Hide Bucky
Vicks a Bronco!

underrated29
08-17-2009, 08:52 PM
is it really favre.?

someoen at the OM said that but then the server crashed. i dont konw if he is serious of not.

aaaaahhhhhhhh

underrated29
08-17-2009, 08:53 PM
it was a joke.


Whew.......

Kaylore
08-17-2009, 08:53 PM
I'd love to trade Marshall. He doesn't fit the team first mentality. I'm tired of him getting into trouble and finding ways to get out of it. He thinks he's invincible and he's one strike away from being suspended for the year. I hope we trade him for defensive line help.

Lonestar
08-17-2009, 08:54 PM
anything anti Broncos from Josh swearing at a player to no toilet paper in the john could be a bombshell to dukes..


he has been on jays jock strap from day one..

Traveler
08-17-2009, 08:57 PM
Marshall to AZ for Alan Branch and future pick(s)?

Lonestar
08-17-2009, 09:00 PM
I'd love to trade Marshall. He doesn't fit the team first mentality. I'm tired of him getting into trouble and finding ways to get out of it. He thinks he's invincible and he's one strike away from being suspended for the year. I hope we trade him for defensive line help.

I completely agree he is a me first type player that IMHO will only get worse as his career continues..

when they labeled him baby TO they just did not know how close to be on the money they were.

underrated29
08-17-2009, 09:02 PM
its def marshall. Just to where and for what......


Man i am not happy.

Tned
08-17-2009, 09:06 PM
its def marshall. Just to where and for what......


Man i am not happy.

For Portis and a 2nd, this front office likes running backs.

Denver Native (Carol)
08-17-2009, 09:12 PM
its def marshall. Just to where and for what......


Man i am not happy.

Where did you hear that it definitely is Marshall?

slim
08-17-2009, 09:12 PM
its def marshall. Just to where and for what......


Man i am not happy.

Yeah, I know. I said that two pages ago. :beer:

Tned
08-17-2009, 09:12 PM
Where did you hear that it definitely is Marshall?

He is just speculating like the rest of us.

getlynched47
08-17-2009, 09:13 PM
I will hate McDaniels forever if he trades Brandon Marshall.

What the hell kind of message is that sending to his team?

1) We're rebuilding, no matter how much I sold you that we are competing

2) If you're unhappy with your contract, your role on this team, or a coach then ask for a trade and we'll get you one.


That's not how you make a winning team.

Screw McDaniels and his antics....

Lonestar
08-17-2009, 09:14 PM
as long as it is not Hillis I could care less. wake me in the morning..

slim
08-17-2009, 09:15 PM
I will hate McDaniels forever if he trades Brandon Marshall.

What the hell kind of message is that sending to his team?

1) We're rebuilding, no matter how much I sold you that we are competing

2) If you're unhappy with your contract, your role on this team, or a coach then ask for a trade and we'll get you one.


That's not how you make a winning team.

Screw McDaniels and his antics....

No, screw Marshall and his antics.

Lonestar
08-17-2009, 09:16 PM
I will hate McDaniels forever if he trades Brandon Marshall.

What the hell kind of message is that sending to his team?

1) We're rebuilding, no matter how much I sold you that we are competing

2) If you're unhappy with your contract, your role on this team, or a coach then ask for a trade and we'll get you one.


That's not how you make a winning team.

Screw McDaniels and his antics....

if the moron does not want to be here why would you want to keep him..

if we can get several TEAM players instead of Mr ME.. why not..

Chris90210
08-17-2009, 09:16 PM
Marshall, Orton and Champ to Kansas Shity for Matt Cassel and a Cheeseburger.

Lonestar
08-17-2009, 09:17 PM
I think Tned is screwing with the minds of his members..
:coffee:

this thread should be in smack...

Poet
08-17-2009, 09:18 PM
This could very well be much ado about nothing. But, I promise you, if it is Marshall it isn't that big of a loss. WRs are important and are often underplayed by the media because they're "oldschool", but he isn't a rare talent.

topscribe
08-17-2009, 09:18 PM
as long as it is not Hillis I could care less. wake me in the morning..

If it is Marshall, it has me kind of excited. I don't think the FO would give him up
except for a load in return . . .

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slim
08-17-2009, 09:18 PM
Did someone say cheeseburger?

getlynched47
08-17-2009, 09:18 PM
No, screw Marshall and his antics.


if the moron does not want to be here why would you want to keep him..

if we can get several TEAM players instead of Mr ME.. why not..

Because trading 2 Pro-Bowl players in one offseason is NOT the way you win.

I hope Dawkins clocks McDaniels in the face, because McDaniels lied right to his face and told him that they weren't rebuilding and that they would be contenders this year.

Safe to say McDaniels is a compulsive liar.

underrated29
08-17-2009, 09:18 PM
this shyt drives me nuts........Come on. Just let the season begin before we lose anymore players. I am tired of being in the news.

The only news i want to see is us on sportscenter highlights.

threefolddead
08-17-2009, 09:18 PM
Marshall, Orton and Champ to Kansas Shity for Matt Cassel and a Cheeseburger.
Leave the wrapper there though so he can slip on it and get injured again.;)

I Bleed Orange and Blue
08-17-2009, 09:18 PM
they are going after marshall for faking an injury.......you heard it here first! (haha yes im just joking)

underrated29
08-17-2009, 09:19 PM
Did someone say cheeseburger?



*Jamarcus russels run through the door into this room*

Poet
08-17-2009, 09:20 PM
Because trading 2 Pro-Bowl players in one offseason is NOT the way you win.

I hope Dawkins clocks McDaniels in the face, because McDaniels lied right to his face and told him that they weren't rebuilding and that they would be contenders this year.

Safe to say McDaniels is a compulsive liar.

Was Dawkins signed before or after the Cutler situation and the Marshall nonsense?

Lonestar
08-17-2009, 09:21 PM
Because trading 2 Pro-Bowl players in one offseason is NOT the way you win.

I hope Dawkins clocks McDaniels in the face, because McDaniels lied right to his face and told him that they weren't rebuilding and that they would be contenders this year.

Safe to say McDaniels is a compulsive liar.

it is if they are not TEAM players..

Your blinded by the "pro Bowl" Status, BTW he looked like crap in the game if you saw it and is not worth the money his agent keeps telling him he is..

getlynched47
08-17-2009, 09:21 PM
Was Dawkins signed before or after the Cutler situation and the Marshall nonsense?

Dawkins was signed during the Cutler fiasco and before the Marshall stuff

Asian Sushi 7
08-17-2009, 09:22 PM
oh this make me nervous. no soup for dukes! No and then!

getlynched47
08-17-2009, 09:22 PM
it is if they are not TEAM players..

Your blinded by the "pro Bowl" Status, BTW he looked like crap in the game if you saw it and is not worth the money his agent keeps telling him he is..

Team players alone don't win you games

This NFL is about winning....PERIOD.

broncohead
08-17-2009, 09:23 PM
it is if they are not TEAM players..

Your blinded by the "pro Bowl" Status, BTW he looked like crap in the game if you saw it and is not worth the money his agent keeps telling him he is..

Ya because how a player performs in the pro bowl determines how good they are...

Poet
08-17-2009, 09:23 PM
Dawkins was signed during the Cutler fiasco and before the Marshall stuff

Well, I think I could construe a decent argument that he wasn't lied to. I mean, neither of us could really prove it.

Believe me, as a fan of the Bengals I understand the "fun" of having issues (one way or another) with a stud WR.

Marshall is a beast, he can do a lot of great things in the NFL. That being said, he's Shannahan's leftover baggage.

BroncoWave
08-17-2009, 09:23 PM
Safe to say McDaniels is a compulsive liar.

The only thing safe to say in this thread is that you are ridiculously overreacting to nothing more that speculation by a couple of posters. Chill the hell out.

LRtagger
08-17-2009, 09:24 PM
Schefter is tweeting right now and not saying anything

Lonestar
08-17-2009, 09:24 PM
Team players alone don't win you games

This NFL is about winning....PERIOD.

and ME players do nothing for the Team except cause issues.. so far he has been a HUGE distraction for the team..

Lonestar
08-17-2009, 09:25 PM
Ya because how a player performs in the pro bowl determines how good they are...

actually how many home town votes you get..

getlynched47
08-17-2009, 09:25 PM
The only thing safe to say in this thread is that you are ridiculously overreacting to nothing more that speculation by a couple of posters. Chill the hell out.

Connect the dots.

"Bombshell in Denver"

"Marshall missing from PM practice"

Doesn't take a genius

I really hate the suspense........stupid drama-filled offseason is gonna kill me

Chris90210
08-17-2009, 09:25 PM
*Jamarcus russels run through the door into this room*

*Cable punches Russel for touching his #@$@ing burger again*

getlynched47
08-17-2009, 09:26 PM
and ME players do nothing for the Team except cause issues.. so far he has been a HUGE distraction for the team..

What issues? Marshall hasn't caused any issues with the team. He made a trade request...big deal...so did Julius Peppers and Anquan Boldin

Poet
08-17-2009, 09:26 PM
*Cable punches Russel for touching his #@$@ing burger again*

Russel would crush Cable for a piece of bread. I can't imagine what he would do to him over a burger. :salute:

elsid13
08-17-2009, 09:27 PM
*Jamarcus russels run through the door into this room*

I think the correct term is waddle not run

BroncoWave
08-17-2009, 09:27 PM
Connect the dots.

"Bombshell in Denver"

"Marshall missing from PM practice"

Doesn't take a genius

I really hate the suspense........stupid drama-filled offseason is gonna kill me

Or you could look at it from a LOGICAL point of view and see that Marshall is still recovering from injury and it being limited to one practice a day.

Also, do you REALLY think that if it were something of this magnitude that Jamie Dukes would be the ONLY person with the scoop? Gimme a break.

LRtagger
08-17-2009, 09:27 PM
LMAO OM keeps crashing

Chris90210
08-17-2009, 09:28 PM
A++++ thread will read again

slim
08-17-2009, 09:28 PM
oh this make me nervous. no soup for dukes! No and then!

You make my toes curl.

LRtagger
08-17-2009, 09:29 PM
and thennnnnnnnnnnnnn?

getlynched47
08-17-2009, 09:29 PM
Or you could look at it from a LOGICAL point of view and see that Marshall is still recovering from injury and it being limited to one practice a day.

Also, do you REALLY think that if it were something of this magnitude that Jamie Dukes would be the ONLY person with the scoop? Gimme a break.

I'm looking at both ways.

I understand that...but still you gotta wonder.

rationalfan
08-17-2009, 09:30 PM
anyone else think it's rather suspicious that on the same day adam schefter starts his work at ESPN someone from the NFLN (schefter's former employer) is trying to drive traffic to its blog?

it's also curious that this news is being broke through twitter - the medium schefter has dominated for NFL news - and it's about a team schefter used to cover full time (suggesting the NFLN's reporters have better inroads than schefter).

perhaps i'm overthinking this, but it just feels like media war BS.

MOtorboat
08-17-2009, 09:32 PM
You know, I stopped a game of Madden, AND turned over from a good baseball game to second-half preseason football for this.

This better be ******* good. That's all. Continue on.

BroncoWave
08-17-2009, 09:32 PM
Good lord, this thread has as many viewers right now as an average game thread. I agree though that it's probably much ado about nothing.

topscribe
08-17-2009, 09:32 PM
anyone else think it's rather suspicious that on the same day adam schefter starts his work at ESPN someone from the NFLN (schefter's former employer) is trying to drive traffic to its blog?

it's also curious that this news is being broke through twitter - the medium schefter has dominated for NFL news - and it's about a team schefter used to cover full time (suggesting the NFLN's reporters have better inroads than schefter).

perhaps i'm overthinking this, but it just feels like media war BS.

Whether that may be true or not, it shows pretty good insight that you have considered that . . .

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underrated29
08-17-2009, 09:32 PM
alright when the hell is he supposed ot have his stupid blog out? I am tired of nervously sitting infront of my computer checking website after site.

..............

Up yours dukes! I know this is going to be something so stupid. Just to get readers. If it is i hope beetlejuice goes to his house in the middle of the night and finishes shrikning his tiny goblin head.

Lonestar
08-17-2009, 09:32 PM
What issues? Marshall hasn't caused any issues with the team. He made a trade request...big deal...so did Julius Peppers and Anquan Boldin

has the team been distracted on what is going on with this moron..

Did he not just have a trial for beating on a lady for the umpteenth time..

did he not sever several tendons and most of the nerves in his dominant catching hand..

did he not hold out from camp..

did he come to camp in condition..

did he injure himself again the second day in..

I'm sure there are more things to bring up for ISSUES but those there are enough to cause an owner to think twice about giving the moron a big contract..

Having him around is a distraction for the rest of the TEAM that is trying to make the team and learn a completely new system on Both sides of the LOS..

time to calm the man love down and realize the TEAM can/will live without him..

slim
08-17-2009, 09:33 PM
you too bo coo

Me love you long time.

threefolddead
08-17-2009, 09:33 PM
This must be an epic blog post to take this long.

TDmvp
08-17-2009, 09:33 PM
I'm starting to think Dukes is just hinting at something to watch OM's server play now you see me now you don't ...

Shazam!
08-17-2009, 09:34 PM
All this nerve wracking could be about nothing.

LRtagger
08-17-2009, 09:35 PM
Well seeing as how the original tweet was 2 hours ago and no other reporters seem to be jumping on this besides some NFLN noname, I would tend to think it is nothing.

Schefter was the first to break the trade this morning, so I would think he would have an inkling to this.

getlynched47
08-17-2009, 09:36 PM
has the team been distracted on what is going on with this moron..

Did he not just have a trial for beating on a lady for the umpteenth time..

did he not sever several tendons and most of the nerves in his dominant catching hand..

did he not hold out from camp..

did he come to camp in condition..

did he injure himself again the second day in..

I'm sure there are more things to bring up for ISSUES but those there are enough to cause an owner to think twice about giving the moron a big contract..

Having him around is a distraction for the rest of the TEAM that is trying to make the team and learn a completely new system on Both sides of the LOS..

time to calm the man love down and realize the TEAM can/will live without him..

It's not a distraction.......that's your opinion.

Brandon Marshall is distracting himself with his personal problems. The team is not affected whatsoever by the stuff that's been going on in Marshall's world.

Quit making it sound like Marshall is a cancer......he's not.

girler
08-17-2009, 09:37 PM
:pop2: This is great entertainment! Drama, comedy, football and pr0n all in one thread! w00t!

MOtorboat
08-17-2009, 09:37 PM
Bill Devaroe should be happy. Cleo Lemon got signed by the Ravens.

getlynched47
08-17-2009, 09:37 PM
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_13147198

It's about Marshall

That didn't take long.

On the first business day after Brandon Marshall was exonerated from battery charges following a trial Friday in Atlanta, his agent, Kennard McGuire, walked into the Broncos' headquarters between training camp workout sessions Monday.

Marshall did not participate in the Broncos' evening practice even though he said Sunday he was healthy.

Two NFL sources said McGuire sought out Broncos management to get a feel for their position on giving Marshall a contract extension.

The Broncos told McGuire they were not willing to rework his deal, which has one year and $2.2 million remaining. Marshall then reiterated his trade request that he gave in June. The Broncos again told Marshall on Monday that they would not trade him.

McGuire left the team's headquarters without comment around 6:40 p.m. Marshall walked into the team's weight room during the evening practice and later returned to the main building as the team's workout was cancelled because of lightning.

Will Marshall engage in a pay-me-or-trade-me holdout in an attempt to better his current deal? If so, he could be fined $15,888 a day. And it didn't appear Monday evening that he would make such a decision.

Are the Broncos willing to revisit Marshall's contract? One reason why they may pause is collective bargaining rules would only allow the team to recoup a small portion of any guarantee through a "moral's clause."

Because he has been previously suspended for violating the NFL's personal conduct policy, Marshall could be subject to a lengthy suspension with another off-field incident.

The Broncos would not have to pay Marshall any game checks for the length of his suspension but the bulk of the money in football contracts are written into bonuses.

Let's use Roddy White as an example, as Marshall probably is. During his trip to Atlanta last week, Marshall spoke with White, the Atlanta Falcons' top receiver who recently received a six-year extension with an $18.6 million guarantee.

White recorded a combined 2,584 yards and 13 touchdowns the past two years while in that same period Marshall had 2,590 yards and 13 touchdowns.

If the Broncos gave Marshall a similar $18.6 million guarantee, they could only use the moral's clause to collect $775,000 (25 percent of the prorated bonus in the particular year of his suspension).

The fact the Broncos would be concerned about a moral's clause may answer why they are not ready to make a long-term investment in Marshall.

Tned
08-17-2009, 09:38 PM
Vic Lombardi Tweet:


@VicLombardi just spoke to Brandon Marshall...he's unaware of any trade, any news, anything...at least that's what he told me...

frauschieze
08-17-2009, 09:38 PM
Adam_SchefterBrandon Marshall and his agent, Kennard McGuire met today with Broncos HC Josh McDaniels. Marshall repeated he wants a trade or new deal.

via Twitter

rationalfan
08-17-2009, 09:38 PM
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_13147198

It's about Marshall

That didn't take long.

On the first business day after Brandon Marshall was exonerated from battery charges following a trial Friday in Atlanta, his agent, Kennard McGuire, walked into the Broncos' headquarters between training camp workout sessions Monday.

Marshall did not participate in the Broncos' evening practice even though he said Sunday he was healthy.

Two NFL sources said McGuire sought out Broncos management to get a feel for their position on giving Marshall a contract extension.

The Broncos told McGuire they were not willing to rework his deal, which has one year and $2.2 million remaining. Marshall then reiterated his trade request that he gave in June. The Broncos again told Marshall on Monday that they would not trade him.

McGuire left the team's headquarters without comment around 6:40 p.m. Marshall walked into the team's weight room during the evening practice and later returned to the main building as the team's workout was cancelled because of lightning.

Will Marshall engage in a pay-me-or-trade-me holdout in an attempt to better his current deal? If so, he could be fined $15,888 a day. And it didn't appear Monday evening that he would make such a decision.

Are the Broncos willing to revisit Marshall's contract? One reason why they may pause is collective bargaining rules would only allow the team to recoup a small portion of any guarantee through a "moral's clause."

Because he has been previously suspended for violating the NFL's personal conduct policy, Marshall could be subject to a lengthy suspension with another off-field incident.

The Broncos would not have to pay Marshall any game checks for the length of his suspension but the bulk of the money in football contracts are written into bonuses.

Let's use Roddy White as an example, as Marshall probably is. During his trip to Atlanta last week, Marshall spoke with White, the Atlanta Falcons' top receiver who recently received a six-year extension with an $18.6 million guarantee.

White recorded a combined 2,584 yards and 13 touchdowns the past two years while in that same period Marshall had 2,590 yards and 13 touchdowns.

If the Broncos gave Marshall a similar $18.6 million guarantee, they could only use the moral's clause to collect $775,000 (25 percent of the prorated bonus in the particular year of his suspension).

The fact the Broncos would be concerned about a moral's clause may answer why they are not ready to make a long-term investment in Marshall.


i was just about to post the same thing. this feels like a contract extension/reworking.

getlynched47
08-17-2009, 09:39 PM
http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter

Broncos adamant they won't give Marshall either. Standoff. Could be ugly. But it has been ugly, with Marshall trying to get what he wants.

Brandon Marshall and his agent, Kennard McGuire met today with Broncos HC Josh McDaniels. Marshall repeated he wants a trade or new deal.

slim
08-17-2009, 09:40 PM
Adam_SchefterBrandon Marshall and his agent, Kennard McGuire met today with Broncos HC Josh McDaniels. Marshall repeated he wants a trade or new deal.

via Twitter

Me love you long time.

MOtorboat
08-17-2009, 09:40 PM
LOL @ Jamie Dukes. Dude ****** his own reporter by tweeting it to real reporters...LMAO Good job with the scoop...lol...

underrated29
08-17-2009, 09:41 PM
yeah the DP reported that we will not trade him nor re do his deal.

UnderArmour
08-17-2009, 09:41 PM
Another holdout. :coffee: Enjoy your fines Marshall, we're not the Falcons. We aren't competing for an NFC Championship.

BroncoWave
08-17-2009, 09:41 PM
Oh my...

broncohead
08-17-2009, 09:42 PM
This really isn't that big of news...

frauschieze
08-17-2009, 09:42 PM
More from Schefter:

Marshall didn't practice today, but unlike normally, he wasn't taking mental reps on the field or working out. Fluid situation. More to come

LRtagger
08-17-2009, 09:42 PM
wow what a bombshell :rolleyes:

red98
08-17-2009, 09:43 PM
This really isn't that big of news...

certainly not a bomshell

underrated29
08-17-2009, 09:44 PM
so brandon is holding out again. And then he will show up for the reg season put up less than stellar numbers and get less money then he should have because he was not in shape and not mentally sound in the playbook.


whhoopdie doo.:rolleyes:

Lonestar
08-17-2009, 09:45 PM
It's not a distraction.......that's your opinion.

Brandon Marshall is distracting himself with his personal problems. The team is not affected whatsoever by the stuff that's been going on in Marshall's world.

Quit making it sound like Marshall is a cancer......he's not.

If YOU SAY SO it must be true..:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

slim
08-17-2009, 09:45 PM
More from Schefter:

Marshall didn't practice today, but unlike normally, he wasn't taking mental reps on the field or working out. Fluid situation. More to come

Thank God, I was afraid he would pull a lobe.

BTW, how can you tell if someone is taking "mental reps"?

LRtagger
08-17-2009, 09:45 PM
Jamie Dukes is an asshat

Tned
08-17-2009, 09:46 PM
Isn't there usually something blonde along with the bombshell???

threefolddead
08-17-2009, 09:46 PM
Jamie Dukes is an asshat

Amen I want my two hours back I have wasted.

MOtorboat
08-17-2009, 09:47 PM
Jamie Dukes is an asshat

I guarantee him jumping the gun on twitter made it possible for both Schefter and the DP to report the story...I mean...sorry...but as a journalist, this is probably more funny to me than everyone else...but this is just hilarious to me...

EMB6903
08-17-2009, 09:47 PM
If we end up with Brett I will need a doctor

I would take Brett over Orton in a heart beat...

I would consider both as short term options anyways...

but Brett isnt coming out of retirement for a team thats completely rebuilding....so thats out of the question

topscribe
08-17-2009, 09:47 PM
so brandon is holding out again. And then he will show up for the reg season put up less than stellar numbers and get less money then he should have because he was not in shape and not mentally sound in the playbook.


whhoopdie doo.:rolleyes:

Were I the FO, then, I would advise Marshall to be sure to have a big screen TV
because that is where he'll be spending game time . . . :coffee:

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slim
08-17-2009, 09:47 PM
Amen I want my two hours back I have wasted.

OK, I can help you with that.

TXBRONC
08-17-2009, 09:47 PM
Another holdout. :coffee: Enjoy your fines Marshall, we're not the Falcons. We aren't competing for an NFC Championship.

The article sounds like speculation.

LRtagger
08-17-2009, 09:48 PM
I guarantee him jumping the gun on twitter made it possible for both Schefter and the DP to report the story...I mean...sorry...but as a journalist, this is probably more funny to me than everyone else...but this is just hilarious to me...

Hopefully NFLN will fire his dumpy ass

BroncoAV06
08-17-2009, 09:49 PM
If YOU SAY SO it must be true..:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

I know because you did not say it its not true!

I hope Marshall can take his head out of his ass and the Broncos and him can work something out. Orton is going to need all the weapons he can get. Casell excelled by throwing to Randy Moss and Wes Welker and them making plays. If Orton can indeed run this offense it will only be that much better with B-Marsh, Royal, Gaff, etc..

Lonestar
08-17-2009, 09:52 PM
I know because you did not say it its not true!

I hope Marshall can take his head out of his ass and the Broncos and him can work something out. Orton is going to need all the weapons he can get. Casell excelled by throwing to Randy Moss and Wes Welker and them making plays. If Orton can indeed run this offense it will only be that much better with B-Marsh, Royal, Gaff, etc..

I agree that he would help the O..

But him not being here is not going to stop the earths rotation like a few think it will..

slim
08-17-2009, 09:52 PM
I guarantee him jumping the gun on twitter made it possible for both Schefter and the DP to report the story...I mean...sorry...but as a journalist, this is probably more funny to me than everyone else...but this is just hilarious to me...

What story? There is no story.

frauschieze
08-17-2009, 09:53 PM
Well guys, it was great hanging out with y'all for a while. This was anti-climatic.

TXBRONC
08-17-2009, 09:55 PM
Well guys, it was great hanging out with y'all for a while. This was anti-climatic.

Maybe this story could use some Viagra? :whoknows:

underrated29
08-17-2009, 09:56 PM
Well guys, it was great hanging out with y'all for a while. This was anti-climatic.


I can help you with that.

:naughty::naughty:

Chris90210
08-17-2009, 09:56 PM
this was like watching a hot porno then realizing the chick was actually a tranny

Tned
08-17-2009, 09:57 PM
Well guys, it was great hanging out with y'all for a while. This was anti-climatic.

Just like most of my nights...

If this is it, I think it's nothing. Marshall has already said he can't afford to hold out, so I think he will be playing.

MOtorboat
08-17-2009, 09:57 PM
this was like watching a hot porno then realizing the chick was actually a tranny

A certain former member loves that shit.

frauschieze
08-17-2009, 09:58 PM
You guys...Lounge.....to the lounge....


On topic:

Jamie Dukes is a moron.

slim
08-17-2009, 09:59 PM
Well guys, it was great hanging out with y'all for a while. This was anti-climatic.

I thought we were going to keep that between us :tsk:

slim
08-17-2009, 09:59 PM
Oops...sorry.

underrated29
08-17-2009, 10:01 PM
You guys...Lounge.....to the lounge....


On topic:

Jamie Dukes is a moron.


is that code for "u29 see me in the bedroom?" :heh:



ok sorry..couldnt help myself.

frauschieze
08-17-2009, 10:03 PM
LMMFAO! There are 27 poor people in this thread.

Thread title change coming up.

Tned
08-17-2009, 10:03 PM
Lombardi Tweet:


@VicLombardi I just heard from a high-ranking Broncos official ... this Brandon story is WAY overblown...they are NOT looking to trade him.. more to come

Tned
08-17-2009, 10:05 PM
VicLombardi:


Bottom line is this ... Marshall upset with something in camp ... and he let the Broncos know about it ... nothing more than that ...nothing

Tned
08-17-2009, 10:06 PM
One more


@VicLombardi I'm not even going to put this in my sportscast tonight ..don't like to feed the rumor mill ... makes for great radio however ..7-9 tomorrow

underrated29
08-17-2009, 10:06 PM
Lombardi Tweet:



Why dont they just come out with a twit that says

"Jamie dukes is fat. He has a tiny head. Is a moron. More to come"

THat would save us all a lot of problems.

slim
08-17-2009, 10:10 PM
Why dont they just come out with a twit that says

"Jamie dukes is fat. He has a tiny head. Is a moron. More to come"

THat would save us all a lot of problems.

Whoa...easy there big timer.

He has a tiny head and he is a moron, but he is not fat.

TDmvp
08-17-2009, 10:11 PM
http://www.funfonix.com/clipart/yawn.gif

MOtorboat
08-17-2009, 10:12 PM
Whoa...easy there big timer.

He has a tiny head and he is a moron, but he is not fat.

He's big boned.

Bill Devaroe
08-17-2009, 10:13 PM
maybe this marshall uprsing and the lekevin trade have something to do with one another. plus cleo lemon is freshly signed. Maybe lekevin and marshall for Lemon and a first? Some kind of 3 way deal?????? I would be fine with that ship orton UPS red to the CFL./

MOtorboat
08-17-2009, 10:14 PM
VicLombardi: Brandon upset at Broncos about their handling of a personal matter .. I'll let nfl.com tell the story ... you'll see it there soon

Bill Devaroe
08-17-2009, 10:15 PM
VicLombardi: Brandon upset at Broncos about their handling of a personal matter .. I'll let nfl.com tell the story ... you'll see it there soon

Nice try vixc. I doubt it, sounds like a trad eis brewin!!!

Tned
08-17-2009, 10:16 PM
VicLombardi: Brandon upset at Broncos about their handling of a personal matter .. I'll let nfl.com tell the story ... you'll see it there soon

Damn you stole my tweet repost scoop :sad:

MOtorboat
08-17-2009, 10:16 PM
Nice try vixc. I doubt it, sounds like a trad eis brewin!!!

This post is awesome for way too many reasons to list here.

MOtorboat
08-17-2009, 10:17 PM
Damn you stole my tweet repost scoop :sad:

pwned.

Tned
08-17-2009, 10:18 PM
VicLombardi: I'll leave you with this ... Brandon Marshall is angry .. he's using this anger - wisely i might add - as another bargaining chip for a deal

TXBRONC
08-17-2009, 10:20 PM
You guys...Lounge.....to the lounge....


On topic:

Jamie Dukes is a moron.

Well what did you expect? You used the word anit-climatic. :D

MOtorboat
08-17-2009, 10:21 PM
VicLombardi: I'll leave you with this ... Brandon Marshall is angry .. he's using this anger - wisely i might add - as another bargaining chip for a deal

MissouriBronc: I'll leave you with this ... Brandon Marshall is stupid ... he's using his stupidity - not very wisely i might add - as another reason why the Broncos shouldn't pay him.

MOtorboat
08-17-2009, 10:21 PM
ProFootball: TalkMarshall's agent reiterates trade request http://tinyurl.com/qacurq #NFL

MOtorboat
08-17-2009, 10:22 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/17/marshalls-agent-reiterates-trade-request/


Marshall's agent reiterates trade request
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on August 17, 2009 11:02 PM ET
The Broncos bombshell Jamie Dukes promised is about Brandon Marshall.

And it appears "bombshell" will just be more of the same friction between Marshall and the organization.

The Denver Post reports that Marshall's agent Kennard McGuire met with Broncos brass Monday in an effort to "feel out" Denver's willingness to give his client a new contract.

After Denver said they weren't interested in reworking Marshall's deal, McGuire reiterated the trade request Marshall made back in June.

And once again, the Broncos said it wasn't going to happen.

The trade request comes on the same day that Marshall skipped the team's evening practice, despite saying he was fully healthy on Sunday. Marshall recently returned to Denver after being found not guilty on battery charges Friday in Atlanta.

It's unclear if Marshall plans to do anything except sit out practices, but his renewed trade request is likely to escalate tensions between him and the team. ESPN's Adam Schefter reports that Marshall wasn't taking "mental reps" on the field or working out like usual Monday.

Now that Marshall has been found innocent, it looks like he is moving on to phase two of a summer of discontent.

This isn't exactly shocking news to anyone that has followed Marshall's situation.

Dukes' tweet set off the phone lines in Denver, and the Broncos say nothing new is happening. Schefter confirmed the Post's story and says the Broncos are "adamant" they won't trade Marshall or get him a new deal.

So, basically Marshall's standoff with the team will continue and escalate.

And we suspect all Dukes' tweet accomplished was to scoop his own network's reporter out of the story.

MOtorboat
08-17-2009, 10:22 PM
And we suspect all Dukes' tweet accomplished was to scoop his own network's reporter out of the story.

Who loves ya, baby?

slim
08-17-2009, 10:24 PM
Who loves ya, baby?


Troll...

frauschieze
08-17-2009, 10:24 PM
Well what did you expect? You used the word anit-climatic. :D

I'll get my thesaurus out next time. ;)

Asian Sushi 7
08-17-2009, 10:29 PM
Broncos apologize to WR Brandon Marshall

Posted: August 17th, 2009 | Jason La Canfora | Tags: apology, Brandon Marshall, Brian Xanders, Denver Broncos, Harvey Steinberg, Jay Cutler, Joe Ellis, Josh McDaniels, Kennard McGuire, Pat Bwolen, trade demand

The Denver Broncos apologized to disgruntled wide receiver Brandon Marshall this week for an incident involving their public relations staff, according to league and team sources, another unusual event in what has been a trying offseason between the sides.

Broncos chief operating officer Joe Ellis apologized to Marshall on behalf of the organization after a junior member of the team’s public relations staff was instructing players Friday on what to say after the team’s preseason game that night, according to sources. The PR staffer specifically was urging them not to express too much joy or emotion if questioned by the media about Marshall’s acquittal on battery charges earlier that day in a Georgia courtroom, the sources said.

Marshall, who has been seeking a trade, already had trust issues with the Broncos, clashing over his contract (he would like an extension beyond the year remaining on his rookie deal) and the team’s treatment of his hip injury, and this incident only deepened that chasm, according to sources.

Marshall, 25, was accompanied by lawyer Harvey Steinberg at the face-to-face meeting with Ellis, and believes the “coaching” being done by the public relations staffer was in fact a directive from upper management, according to league sources. Broncos sources rebuffed that notion and attributed the incident to the public relations staffer being “overzealous” and acting on his own.

Broncos owner Pat Bowlen, coach Josh McDaniels and general manager Brian Xanders had no knowledge of the actions of the public relations employee until learning about it after the fact, according to the team. Both Bowlen and McDaniels expressed their happiness for Marshall in public remarks made Friday night. Marshall and his agent, Kennard McGuire, declined to comment.

Marshall has performed at a Pro-Bowl level, but has endured several off-field legal issues. The Broncos have been unwilling to re-do his contract to this point, and, barring an extension to the collective bargaining agreement, could retain his rights with a qualifying offer as a restricted free agent in 2010, a scenario in which Marshall would lose a chance at unrestricted free agency. The team has not shopped Marshall to this point.

Marshall missed much of the offseason due to his recovery from hip surgery, and skipped Denver’s mini camp. He missed two weeks of training-camp practice as well, but returned to the field Sunday. The Broncos have had a difficult first few months under their new regime after Mike Shanahan was fired, suffering through a public spat with starting quarterback Jay Cutler, who was eventually traded to Chicago.

Marshall is in his fourth year out of Central Florida, and was a fourth-round pick in 2006. He caught a career-high 104 passes last season.

Asian Sushi 7
08-17-2009, 10:30 PM
that more lame than aunt serving poodle well done

MOtorboat
08-17-2009, 10:30 PM
Wow...shocking.

getlynched47
08-17-2009, 10:30 PM
LOL!!!! Vic Lombardi kinda rips into Jamie Dukes...

http://twitter.com/VicLombardi


I'll leave you with this ... Brandon Marshall is angry .. he's using this anger - wisely i might add - as another bargaining chip for a deal


Brandon upset at Broncos about their handling of a personal matter .. I'll let nfl.com tell the story ... you'll see it there soon


This is the perfect example of someone using Twitter to hyperbolize an otherwise tame story... technology is dangerous in the wrong hands


If you want more insight on a non-story, I'll post something on CBS4denver.com later tonight


I'm not even going to put this in my sportscast tonight ..don't like to feed the rumor mill ... makes for great radio however ..7-9 tomorrow


Bottom line is this ... Marshall upset with something in camp ... and he let the Broncos know about it ... nothing more than that ...nothing


I just heard from a high-ranking Broncos official ... this Brandon story is WAY overblown...they are NOT looking to trade him.. more to come

MOtorboat
08-17-2009, 10:33 PM
Asian Sushi 7 going all MVP on us. Me likey...

Northman
08-17-2009, 10:34 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/17/marshalls-agent-reiterates-trade-request/

Im a bit surprised they wont offer him a new deal now that the trial is over. Guess his days in Denver are done even if he plays out the year.

MOtorboat
08-17-2009, 10:35 PM
Im a bit surprised they wont offer him a new deal now that the trial is over. Guess his days in Denver are done even if he plays out the year.

Why?

Until he proves he can stay out of trouble for more than six months, he's still a risk.

Kaylore
08-17-2009, 10:35 PM
Broncos apologize to WR Brandon Marshall

Posted: August 17th, 2009 | Jason La Canfora | Tags: apology, Brandon Marshall, Brian Xanders, Denver Broncos, Harvey Steinberg, Jay Cutler, Joe Ellis, Josh McDaniels, Kennard McGuire, Pat Bwolen, trade demand

The Denver Broncos apologized to disgruntled wide receiver Brandon Marshall this week for an incident involving their public relations staff, according to league and team sources, another unusual event in what has been a trying offseason between the sides.

Broncos chief operating officer Joe Ellis apologized to Marshall on behalf of the organization after a junior member of the team’s public relations staff was instructing players Friday on what to say after the team’s preseason game that night, according to sources. The PR staffer specifically was urging them not to express too much joy or emotion if questioned by the media about Marshall’s acquittal on battery charges earlier that day in a Georgia courtroom, the sources said.

Marshall, who has been seeking a trade, already had trust issues with the Broncos, clashing over his contract (he would like an extension beyond the year remaining on his rookie deal) and the team’s treatment of his hip injury, and this incident only deepened that chasm, according to sources.

Marshall, 25, was accompanied by lawyer Harvey Steinberg at the face-to-face meeting with Ellis, and believes the “coaching” being done by the public relations staffer was in fact a directive from upper management, according to league sources. Broncos sources rebuffed that notion and attributed the incident to the public relations staffer being “overzealous” and acting on his own.

Broncos owner Pat Bowlen, coach Josh McDaniels and general manager Brian Xanders had no knowledge of the actions of the public relations employee until learning about it after the fact, according to the team. Both Bowlen and McDaniels expressed their happiness for Marshall in public remarks made Friday night. Marshall and his agent, Kennard McGuire, declined to comment.

Marshall has performed at a Pro-Bowl level, but has endured several off-field legal issues. The Broncos have been unwilling to re-do his contract to this point, and, barring an extension to the collective bargaining agreement, could retain his rights with a qualifying offer as a restricted free agent in 2010, a scenario in which Marshall would lose a chance at unrestricted free agency. The team has not shopped Marshall to this point.

Marshall missed much of the offseason due to his recovery from hip surgery, and skipped Denver’s mini camp. He missed two weeks of training-camp practice as well, but returned to the field Sunday. The Broncos have had a difficult first few months under their new regime after Mike Shanahan was fired, suffering through a public spat with starting quarterback Jay Cutler, who was eventually traded to Chicago.

Marshall is in his fourth year out of Central Florida, and was a fourth-round pick in 2006. He caught a career-high 104 passes last season.
This has to be the lamest "bombshell" I've ever read.

slim
08-17-2009, 10:35 PM
Im a bit surprised they wont offer him a new deal now that the trial is over. Guess his days in Denver are done even if he plays out the year.

Maybe they just want to see how the hip responds?

TXBRONC
08-17-2009, 10:37 PM
LOL!!!! Vic Lombardi kinda rips into Jamie Dukes...

http://twitter.com/VicLombardi







Maybe someone at NFLN should exhort Dukes to keep his mouth closed.

AlWilsonizKING
08-17-2009, 10:37 PM
All this talk about how good Marshall is, but I can recal quite a few dropped passes that a good receiver would have made. IMO he can stay or he can go. I don't like ME PLAYERS. Football is a team game and should be played as one. He had a few good games but feel apart and since then has been nothing but trouble.


PEACE!!!

Asian Sushi 7
08-17-2009, 10:38 PM
out of fire into wok. it never end

Magnificent Seven
08-17-2009, 10:38 PM
Trade Marshall for Bears' Devin Hester

MOtorboat
08-17-2009, 10:38 PM
Trade Marshall for Bears' Devin Hester

:pound:

The Bears fan strikes!

Northman
08-17-2009, 10:44 PM
Why?

Until he proves he can stay out of trouble for more than six months, he's still a risk.


He's actually been ok for a while now (aside from the fiance episode where no charges were filed). Although i understand your point i do think they owe it too him to increase his pay for his on field performance. I was fine with not paying until after the trial but he was found not guilty so really, he should be considered innocent in terms of the "trouble" he has been in. Whether you personally believe he's innocent or not is irrelevant as he has now been cleared of those charges. If you get my meaning.

getlynched47
08-17-2009, 10:44 PM
This has to be the lamest "bombshell" I've ever read.


Maybe someone at NFLN should exhort Dukes to keep his mouth closed.

LOL!!

LaCanfora and Dukes should get fired. Their "bombshell" was a non-story......it's all crap. We should all make our way to NFL.com and voice our displeasure with his stupid "bombshell"......heck we should pepper their twitter accounts with angry hate-tweets

http://i29.tinypic.com/2d6p3jl.jpg

The Glue Factory
08-17-2009, 10:44 PM
A true bombshell out of Denver would be reported by Adam Schefter first. And you could take anything from him to the bank! :shot:

girler
08-17-2009, 10:51 PM
He's actually been ok for a while now (aside from the fiance episode where no charges were filed). Although i understand your point i do think they owe it too him to increase his pay for his on field performance. I was fine with not paying until after the trial but he was found not guilty so really, he should be considered innocent in terms of the "trouble" he has been in. Whether you personally believe he's innocent or not is irrelevant as he has now been cleared of those charges. If you get my meaning.

Oh yes I get your meaning! :shocked: I take you so much more seriously now that you are Eric.

Overtime
08-17-2009, 11:48 PM
if the moron does not want to be here why would you want to keep him..

if we can get several TEAM players instead of Mr ME.. why not..

so, we've already done that with Cutler, if we do that with Marshall, then we have to end up doing that with every other player on the team, and we can't set that kind of precedent right now.


Marshall, Orton and Champ to Kansas Shity for Matt Cassel and a Cheeseburger.

I'll take that deal in a heartbeat. just make sure the burger doesn't make it's way to Jarvis Moss's hands...oh wait, nevermind, he's undersized as it is anyhow...hell give him 2 cheeseburgers so he can get back on the D-Line.


This could very well be much ado about nothing. But, I promise you, if it is Marshall it isn't that big of a loss. WRs are important and are often underplayed by the media because they're "oldschool", but he isn't a rare talent.

nice post.


Because trading 2 Pro-Bowl players in one offseason is NOT the way you win.

I hope Dawkins clocks McDaniels in the face, because McDaniels lied right to his face and told him that they weren't rebuilding and that they would be contenders this year.

Safe to say McDaniels is a compulsive liar.

relax GL...San Diego doesn't have any Pro Bowl WR's, and they made the AFC Championship Game 2 years ago...they have a bunch of mediocre scrubs at best.


this was like watching a hot porno then realizing the chick was actually a tranny

and just what would you know about trannys? :shocked:


He's big boned.

no he's a fat tub of lard worthless piece of annoying crap.


Why?

Until he proves he can stay out of trouble for more than six months, he's still a risk.

well since he was acquitted, he technically hasn't been in any more trouble, so why not give him a new deal, but lace the contract with contigency bonuses, and good behavior incentives?

silkamilkamonico
08-18-2009, 12:31 AM
K, I can't read through 12 pages, can someone be cool and just briefly say what's going on please?

Marshall asked to be traded, something else? Did someone completely break this as a non story?

Italianmobstr7
08-18-2009, 12:46 AM
K, I can't read through 12 pages, can someone be cool and just briefly say what's going on please?

Marshall asked to be traded, something else? Did someone completely break this as a non story?

Jamie Dukes said there was a bombshell that would be reported by Jason Lacanfora. The only thing that was broke was that Brandon met w/ McD and company, wants a new contract or to be traded. Broncos said "no" and "no." Then a story that was "broke" by LaCanfora says that the Broncos apologized to Marshall for a PR mess up by a junior PR person. He may use this as leverage in negotiating. Nothing really big here, and nothing we didn't already really know. Just Jamie Dukes spitting useless crap like usual.

Requiem / The Dagda
08-18-2009, 01:01 AM
See you on the field, Brandon!

DenBronx
08-18-2009, 03:13 AM
wow, what lame ground breaking news. :rolleyes:

MOtorboat
08-18-2009, 07:27 AM
well since he was acquitted, he technically hasn't been in any more trouble, so why not give him a new deal, but lace the contract with contigency bonuses, and good behavior incentives?

Ever think that maybe that's the contract that's been offered and Marshall won't sign it?

Marshall really doesn't deserve a massive contract until he can prove he can stay out of trouble.

pnbronco
08-18-2009, 08:26 AM
I was thinking the same thing about having a contract laced with behavior clauses. What I'm understanding it's the bonus money and that's what players are asking for is guaranteed bonus money. I found this in post # 95 of this thread the info is from the Denver Post...

Are the Broncos willing to revisit Marshall's contract? One reason why they may pause is collective bargaining rules would only allow the team to recoup a small portion of any guarantee through a "moral's clause."

Because he has been previously suspended for violating the NFL's personal conduct policy, Marshall could be subject to a lengthy suspension with another off-field incident.

The Broncos would not have to pay Marshall any game checks for the length of his suspension but the bulk of the money in football contracts are written into bonuses.

Let's use Roddy White as an example, as Marshall probably is. During his trip to Atlanta last week, Marshall spoke with White, the Atlanta Falcons' top receiver who recently received a six-year extension with an $18.6 million guarantee.

White recorded a combined 2,584 yards and 13 touchdowns the past two years while in that same period Marshall had 2,590 yards and 13 touchdowns.

If the Broncos gave Marshall a similar $18.6 million guarantee, they could only use the moral's clause to collect $775,000 (25 percent of the prorated bonus in the particular year of his suspension).


When I see him play I really want him out there. I also think he is under paid for what he has produced up to now. On the other hand when I see how much money could be lost it really bothers me. Actually there is a lot that bothers me about Brandon, I was really hoping that would grown up and now I'm not so sure.

BigDaddyBronco
08-18-2009, 08:27 AM
Ever think that maybe that's the contract that's been offered and Marshall won't sign it?

Marshall really doesn't deserve a massive contract until he can prove he can stay out of trouble.

And that his hip is good. Give it a year.

If he plays well, stays out of trouble, and passes a physical then give him the mega-contract. Otherwise, trade his ass.

Denver Native (Carol)
08-18-2009, 08:56 AM
Question - Why would either Brandon, his agent, or his lawyer (Steinberg), give the account of yesterday's meeting with the Broncos to Lacanfora, which they had to do? Do people like Lacanfora pay for "story tips" like this?

CoachChaz
08-18-2009, 09:04 AM
IMO...he can stay or go at this point. I really dont care anymore. A WR is usually not going to be the deciding factor in winning or losing a game. In this offense, you can replace A talent with B talent and not miss a step. If our running game is top notch, then it doesnt matter who the receivers are.

claymore
08-18-2009, 09:04 AM
Question - Why would either Brandon, his agent, or his lawyer (Steinberg), give the account of yesterday's meeting with the Broncos to Lacanfora, which they had to do? Do people like Lacanfora pay for "story tips" like this?

I hope something jucier breaks out.

Thnikkaman
08-18-2009, 09:11 AM
Another update:


Well played RT @greggrosenthal: BOMBSHELL ALERT IN DENVER: 80 degrees and cloudy today! Chance of rain.

Denver Native (Carol)
08-18-2009, 09:11 AM
This morning, Vic made the comment that Mike Klis did some research on what would happen if the Broncos gave Brandon a new contract, and he once again got in trouble off the field. Klis article:

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_13147198

That didn't take long.

On the first business day after Brandon Marshall was exonerated of battery charges following a trial Friday in Atlanta, his agent, Kennard McGuire, walked into Broncos headquarters at Dove Valley between training camp workout sessions Monday.

Two NFL sources said McGuire sought out Broncos management to get a feel for the team's position on giving Marshall a contract extension. The Broncos told McGuire that at this time they were not willing to rework the wide receiver's deal, which has one year and $2.2 million remaining.

Marshall then reiterated his trade demand that he first issued in June. The Broncos again told Marshall on Monday that they would not trade him.

Amid this contract disagreement was another issue that caused Broncos chief operating officer Joe Ellis to personally apologize to Marshall. A teammate had told Marshall that a member of the Broncos' public relations staff was telling players after their preseason game Friday night what to say if they were asked about Marshall's acquittal. According to one source, the players were told: "Don't say you're happy for Brandon. Say it's good for the organization that this is behind us."

Marshall, believing the PR staffer was getting a directive from a superior, met with Ellis on Monday. Accompanying the receiver was Harvey Steinberg, the lawyer who represented Marshall at his trial.

Ellis apologized to Marshall during the meeting. A team source said the PR staffer was independently offering the advice.

And so it goes with the Broncos and their young stars at Dove Valley.

Marshall was excused from the evening practice Monday — when not injured, he has been on a one-a-day camp schedule — and McGuire left the team's headquarters without comment around 6:40 p.m.

Despite issuing his trade request, Marshall is not planning a contract holdout, in part because he doesn't want to pay a daily fine of $15,888. He is expected to participate in the team's practice this afternoon.

A big reason the Broncos are pausing at revisiting Marshall's contract is collective bargaining rules would allow the team to recoup only a small portion of any guarantee through a "morals clause."

Because he has been previously suspended for violating the NFL's personal conduct policy, Marshall could be subject to a lengthy suspension with another off-field incident.

The Broncos would not have to pay Marshall any game checks for the length of his suspension, but the bulk of the money in football contracts is written into bonuses.

Let's use Roddy White as an example, as Marshall probably is. During his trip to Atlanta last week, Marshall spoke with White, the Atlanta Falcons' top receiver who recently received a six-year extension with an $18.6 million guarantee.

White recorded a combined 2,584 yards and 13 touchdowns the past two years while in that same period Marshall had 2,590 yards and 13 touchdowns.

If the Broncos gave Marshall a similar $18.6 million guarantee, they could use the morals clause to recover only $775,000 (25 percent of the prorated bonus in the particular year of his suspension).

As for trading Marshall, his off-field issues, offseason hip surgery and desires for a new contract figure to make it difficult for the Broncos to receive fair value in return.

Dortoh
08-18-2009, 09:18 AM
ok 13 pages did something happen or not?

Dirk
08-18-2009, 09:25 AM
ok 13 pages did something happen or not?


:lol::lol::lol:

/thread

Superchop 7
08-18-2009, 09:34 AM
Gotta love Joe Ellis, players aren't allowed to have an opinion ?

They can't be happy for a player ?

Un-real.

This guys track record on MANIPULATION is unbelievable.

It is high time that the players union steps in, playing dirty is a two way street.

NightTrainLayne
08-18-2009, 09:40 AM
Gotta love Joe Ellis, players aren't allowed to have an opinion ?

They can't be happy for a player ?

Un-real.

This guys track record on MANIPULATION is unbelievable.

It is high time that the players union steps in, playing dirty is a two way street.

Did you read the story? He apologized for his staff who did that on their own.

#1 He didn't try to manipulate anything.

#2 He apologized.

/story.

Thnikkaman
08-18-2009, 09:41 AM
Gotta love Joe Ellis, players aren't allowed to have an opinion ?

They can't be happy for a player ?

Un-real.

This guys track record on MANIPULATION is unbelievable.

It is high time that the players union steps in, playing dirty is a two way street.

Mods, please change this posters name to bud.

TIA

Denver Native (Carol)
08-18-2009, 09:46 AM
Gotta love Joe Ellis, players aren't allowed to have an opinion ?

They can't be happy for a player ?

Un-real.

This guys track record on MANIPULATION is unbelievable.

It is high time that the players union steps in, playing dirty is a two way street.

Unless you have read something I have not, it was stated that Joe Ellis was not involved - he did not tell the employee who did this to say that to the players - the employee did it on his own.

Hobe
08-18-2009, 10:23 AM
http://i29.tinypic.com/2d6p3jl.jpg

Actually, this was first thought about the Jamie Dukes bombshell. How about a curtiousy flush Jamie!

LRtagger
08-18-2009, 11:25 AM
What a ******* HACK...can NFLN please put a plug in this turd's mouth.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/08/18/trust-issues-resurface-between-broncos-and-marshall/


Trust issues resurface between Broncos and Marshall
Posted: August 18th, 2009 | Jamie Dukes | Tags: Brandon Marshall, Denver Broncos

The relationship between Brandon Marshall and the Denver Broncos was dealt another blow over the weekend. Marshall was recently acquitted on all charges associated with domestic violence accusations levied by a former girlfriend. According to sources close to the situation, Marshall was contacted by several teammates who informed him they were told by a member of the front office not to make positive comments to the media in support of Marshall after his acquittal.

Marshall was stunned. According to sources, Marshall was under the impression that if he were vindicated, the Broncos would begin to move forward with renegotiating his contract. According to sources, Marshall confronted the Broncos and a meeting was called. In the meeting, the Broncos admitted to the alleged actions and apologized.

NFL Network’s Jason La Canfora was told by team sources that a lower-level staffer made this decision. According to La Canfora, Marshall believes the staffer was thrown under the bus as cover for a senior executive who gave the directive. From what I have been told by people close to the situation, I would agree. My sources also informed me that owner Pat Bowlen was not present at the meeting. Adding insult to injury, Marshall was essentially told to pound sand on a new contract.

I don’t know what the heck is going on in Denver but fans deserve better. I’ve been associated with this league for a long time and I cannot recall a situation where an overzealous staffer has made an executive decision of this magnitude given the extenuating circumstances surrounding a Pro Bowl player. In fact, the trend would be to err on the side of caution.

The Broncos already unloaded their best player, quarterback Jay Cutler. Now they are on the verge of creating irreparable damage with their current best player. As I’ve said before, trust is more important than money to players, because players know their talent gets them the job. History shows us that players play a little harder for organizations they trust. Things are spiraling out of control in Denver. Players are questioning the decisions made by the coach and, if the reports are true, they are also questioning the ruthlessness of front office personnel. At this point, all I can say is, “What next?”

Broncos fans don’t deserve this!

I believe this is the final straw and Marshall will not play for the Broncos this season. Stay tuned.

What say you?

Catch Me On Twitter: @jamiedukes


Basically Dukes is a huge douche just trying to stir up controversy....I guess Marshall only asked for an extension and raise once he started to lose trust in the organization...you know, since trust is more important than money and all. :rolleyes:

topscribe
08-18-2009, 11:32 AM
What a ******* HACK...can NFLN please put a plug in this turd's mouth.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/08/18/trust-issues-resurface-between-broncos-and-marshall/



Basically Dukes is a huge douche just trying to stir up controversy....I guess Marshall only asked for an extension and raise once he started to lose trust in the organization...you know, since trust is more important than money and all. :rolleyes:

Why is Jamie Pukes still working? Does anybody like him? :tsk:

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Poet
08-18-2009, 11:37 AM
He gives me faith for my future. :D

Northman
08-18-2009, 11:42 AM
He gives me faith for my future. :D

You could replace him right now and be 100 times better than he is.

Poet
08-18-2009, 11:43 AM
You could replace him right now and be 100 times better than he is.

If I had his sources then yeah. Then again, I guess I could be his equivalent by making my own news stories.

HUGE DEAL HAPPENING IN DENVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Brandon Marshall just traded his ham sandwich to Ryan Clady for a donut.

LordTrychon
08-18-2009, 12:10 PM
If I had his sources then yeah. Then again, I guess I could be his equivalent by making my own news stories.

HUGE DEAL HAPPENING IN DENVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Brandon Marshall just traded his ham sandwich to Ryan Clady for a donut.

Ripoff. :tsk:

Will Marshall ever use his head?

Dortoh
08-18-2009, 12:11 PM
Ripoff. :tsk:

Will Marshall ever use his head?

To be fair to BMarsh we need more info. Maybe Jamie Dukes and find out what kind of ham, what kind of bread, hell we dont even know the type of doughnut involved in the deal.

honz
08-18-2009, 12:21 PM
A bear had this reaction to Jamie Dukes calling this "bombshell" news:

http://files.myopera.com/agent00fuzzy/blog/facepalm2.jpg

LordTrychon
08-18-2009, 12:33 PM
To be fair to BMarsh we need more info. Maybe Jamie Dukes and find out what kind of ham, what kind of bread, hell we dont even know the type of doughnut involved in the deal.

Don't be a fool.

Ham sandwich>doughnut.

topscribe
08-18-2009, 12:34 PM
Don't be a fool.

Ham sandwich>doughnut.

And they said Clady was dumb . . .

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Kaylore
08-18-2009, 01:02 PM
Ham Sandwich pwns donut every day. It's basically a decent meal versus a fattening snack that you end up regretting having when your done.

No contest.

NightTrainLayne
08-18-2009, 01:05 PM
Ham Sandwich pwns donut every day. It's basically a decent meal versus a fattening snack that you end up regretting having when your done.

No contest.

I won't argue that a ham sandwich is more substantial, and valuable than a donut. ..


But I've NEVER regretting having a donut after I was finished with it.

Lonestar
08-18-2009, 01:09 PM
Ham Sandwich pwns donut every day. It's basically a decent meal versus a fattening snack that you end up regretting having when your done.

No contest.



unless of course your Jewish or muslim..:D

topscribe
08-18-2009, 01:11 PM
unless of course your Jewish or muslim..:D

Turkey ham?

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T.K.O.
08-18-2009, 03:23 PM
I won't argue that a ham sandwich is more substantial, and valuable than a donut. ..


But I've NEVER regretting having a donut after I was finished with it.

my only regret after eating a donut is,there is no more donut to eat !:D

Dortoh
08-18-2009, 03:27 PM
my only regret after eating a donut is,there is no more donut to eat !:D

Seems to me they are undervaluing a good doughnut. I mean sure if it were a dry day old cake doughnut but a fresh doughnut is undervalued around the league IMHO

SoCalImport
08-18-2009, 03:31 PM
SO. Ok.. I read the first page of the thread, and the last. I'm guessing this is a non-story then?

The Marshall one. Not the Donut.

TXBRONC
08-18-2009, 03:33 PM
Turkey ham?

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Oy vey!

Dortoh
08-18-2009, 03:36 PM
SO. Ok.. I read the first page of the thread, and the last. I'm guessing this is a non-story then?

The Marshall one. Not the Donut.

I think the story is there is no story

Timmy!
08-18-2009, 03:40 PM
Dukes=douche

/thread

LordTrychon
08-18-2009, 03:47 PM
Oy vey!

oy gevalt?

topscribe
08-18-2009, 04:22 PM
oy gevalt?

muchus garcia, signor!!

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Lonestar
08-18-2009, 07:27 PM
I think the story is there is no story

Your right on with this one..

goes to show when you have someone with woody for the Broncos they will move heaven and earth to open their yap to try and rub noses in it..

duke is a clown..

claymore
08-18-2009, 07:34 PM
Your right on with this one..

goes to show when you have someone with woody for the Broncos they will move heaven and earth to open their yap to try and rub noses in it..

duke is a clown..

Tell us how good Orton is, and how Plummer won the Super Bowl. :eek:

Lonestar
08-18-2009, 07:38 PM
Tell us how good Orton is, and how Plummer won the Super Bowl. :eek:


time will tell on the former and did not happen on the latter..

but dukes it still a clown with a woody for DEN.

pnbronco
08-18-2009, 07:42 PM
The really sad part is that the ham/donut story is a much better none story that the "Bombshell" one.

What drama queen Duke is. I mean really making such a big deal out of trust given everything that has happened up to now. He was right about one thing Bronco fans deserve better, like to not have to read his horrible stories!!!

Since we are so off topic, and you talked about being Jewish or Muslim and turkey ham. Does anyone remember if Ryan Harris is Muslim? For some strange reason I was wondering about that today, maybe I was being physic, oh, oh NEWS STORY!!!!!

LawDog
08-18-2009, 07:50 PM
This may be a bit off topic, but does anyone else wonder why Northman has David Spade as his avatar?

Back on topic - Marshall's talent will be wasted if Orton ends up with the starting job unless Marshall is able to cure the dropsies that he had last year. Yards after the catch only count if you, like, actually catch the pass. With Orton's lack of a long ball, Marshall will be needed to add yards in a dink-n-dunk passing game.

topscribe
08-18-2009, 07:59 PM
This may be a bit off topic, but does anyone else wonder why Northman has David Spade as his avatar?

Back on topic - Marshall's talent will be wasted if Orton ends up with the starting job unless Marshall is able to cure the dropsies that he had last year. Yards after the catch only count if you, like, actually catch the pass. With Orton's lack of a long ball, Marshall will be needed to add yards in a dink-n-dunk passing game.

That's funny. Amidst the reports coming out of camp about all the long passes
by Orton, you're talking about "Orton's lack of a long ball." :lol:

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Simple Jaded
08-18-2009, 08:01 PM
The really sad part is that the ham/donut story is a much better none story that the "Bombshell" one.

What drama queen Duke is. I mean really making such a big deal out of trust given everything that has happened up to now. He was right about one thing Bronco fans deserve better, like to not have to read his horrible stories!!!

Since we are so off topic, and you talked about being Jewish or Muslim and turkey ham. Does anyone remember if Ryan Harris is Muslim? For some strange reason I was wondering about that today, maybe I was being physic, oh, oh NEWS STORY!!!!!
http://www.godfaithpen.com/2006/08/what-have-you-done-for-me-lately.html

Ryan Harris is Muslim.......

pnbronco
08-18-2009, 08:05 PM
This may be a bit off topic, but does anyone else wonder why Northman has David Spade as his avatar?

Back on topic - Marshall's talent will be wasted if Orton ends up with the starting job unless Marshall is able to cure the dropsies that he had last year. Yards after the catch only count if you, like, actually catch the pass. With Orton's lack of a long ball, Marshall will be needed to add yards in a dink-n-dunk passing game.

Actually Marshall caught 2 long passes, like half the field long passes today in camp. This is not coming out of the Broncos, I was one of the brave that went down there, and Jr, sorry but not in the mood to write a report. At least not now I need to eat....

LRtagger
08-19-2009, 09:46 AM
What a ******* HACK...can NFLN please put a plug in this turd's mouth.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/08/18/trust-issues-resurface-between-broncos-and-marshall/

FWIW This blog entry has been pulled from NFL.com

T.K.O.
08-19-2009, 01:17 PM
I think the story is there is no story

i think the story is there are no doughnuts !:mad:

Tned
08-19-2009, 01:35 PM
FWIW This blog entry has been pulled from NFL.com

They may have changed the link (the date in the URL change from 8/18 to 8/17), but it is still up there, the old link simply no longer works.

Here is the correct link:

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/08/17/broncos-apologize-to-wr-brandon-marshall/

T.K.O.
08-19-2009, 02:51 PM
Actually Marshall caught 2 long passes, like half the field long passes today in camp. This is not coming out of the Broncos, I was one of the brave that went down there, and Jr, sorry but not in the mood to write a report. At least not now I need to eat....

doughnuts or ham sandwich ?

LRtagger
08-19-2009, 05:15 PM
They may have changed the link (the date in the URL change from 8/18 to 8/17), but it is still up there, the old link simply no longer works.

Here is the correct link:

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/08/17/broncos-apologize-to-wr-brandon-marshall/

Thats not the same article...I was referring to the Jamie Dukes article

LawDog
08-23-2009, 03:00 PM
Actually Marshall caught 2 long passes, like half the field long passes today in camp. This is not coming out of the Broncos, I was one of the brave that went down there, and Jr, sorry but not in the mood to write a report. At least not now I need to eat....

For both you and Top - practice is one thing, games are quite another. For example, Ashley Lelie was an acrobat in practice, made some inhuman catches, but that side of him rarely showed itself during games.

Anyhow, not to start a Jay vs. Kyle debate, but to compare the two:

Jay over 37 games had 762 completions of which 106 went for 20+ and 16 went for 40+ (or 14% and 2% respectively).

Kyle over 33 games had 505 completions of which 60 went for 20 + and only 7 went for 40+ (or 12% and 1% respectively).

Additionally, these stats don't necessarily indicate how far the pass carried in the air, just the result of the play. So maybe I'm wrong and Orton can put it out there - but from what I've seen, I still doubt it.

Poet
08-23-2009, 03:05 PM
doughnuts or ham sandwich ?

Turns out that Clady just beat up Marshall and ate them both.

That man's a leader!

LordTrychon
08-24-2009, 02:34 PM
Turns out that Clady just beat up Marshall and ate them both.

That man's a leader!

Keep us up to date, King... we appreciate it. :salute:

CoachChaz
08-24-2009, 02:42 PM
For both you and Top - practice is one thing, games are quite another. For example, Ashley Lelie was an acrobat in practice, made some inhuman catches, but that side of him rarely showed itself during games.

Anyhow, not to start a Jay vs. Kyle debate, but to compare the two:

Jay over 37 games had 762 completions of which 106 went for 20+ and 16 went for 40+ (or 14% and 2% respectively).

Kyle over 33 games had 505 completions of which 60 went for 20 + and only 7 went for 40+ (or 12% and 1% respectively).

Additionally, these stats don't necessarily indicate how far the pass carried in the air, just the result of the play. So maybe I'm wrong and Orton can put it out there - but from what I've seen, I still doubt it.

As with any stat, there is more to it than a number. keep in mind that Jay will almost ALWAYS choose to throw the 20+ yarder over the 10 yarder. Whether it's open or not.

But even based on that, the percentages are not different enough for me to worry about Orton succeeding or failing.

LawDog
08-24-2009, 07:29 PM
As with any stat, there is more to it than a number. keep in mind that Jay will almost ALWAYS choose to throw the 20+ yarder over the 10 yarder. Whether it's open or not.

But even based on that, the percentages are not different enough for me to worry about Orton succeeding or failing.

Yeah, I was kind of surprised that there really wasn't that significant a difference between the two. I just don't have the time to look for or compile stats as to how far in the air the passes traveled, but I would expect that it won't be that different given the stats above.

Besides, San Diego just gave their noodle armed QB a 6 year 92 million extension so maybe armstrength ain't all that afterall.

topscribe
08-24-2009, 08:13 PM
For both you and Top - practice is one thing, games are quite another. For example, Ashley Lelie was an acrobat in practice, made some inhuman catches, but that side of him rarely showed itself during games.

Anyhow, not to start a Jay vs. Kyle debate, but to compare the two:

Jay over 37 games had 762 completions of which 106 went for 20+ and 16 went for 40+ (or 14% and 2% respectively).

Kyle over 33 games had 505 completions of which 60 went for 20 + and only 7 went for 40+ (or 12% and 1% respectively).

Additionally, these stats don't necessarily indicate how far the pass carried in the air, just the result of the play. So maybe I'm wrong and Orton can put it out there - but from what I've seen, I still doubt it.

The only thing is, I've seen Orton "put it out there." He just needed the
receivers and O-line to do it more often. Now he has them. Let's see what he
can do.

Regarding Cutler, I'm not interested, despite accusations coming from
elsewhere. Cutler is a Bear. Orton is a Bronco. I'm interested in Orton.

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Lonestar
08-24-2009, 09:10 PM
Yeah, I was kind of surprised that there really wasn't that significant a difference between the two. I just don't have the time to look for or compile stats as to how far in the air the passes traveled, but I would expect that it won't be that different given the stats above.

Besides, San Diego just gave their noodle armed QB a 6 year 92 million extension so maybe armstrength ain't all that afterall.

one way to determine although not totally accurate would be YAC.. could be a pretty good rule of thumb...

TXBRONC
08-24-2009, 09:15 PM
one way to determine although not totally accurate would be YAC.. could be a pretty good rule of thumb...

That's quite change for someone who generally bad mouths that stat when it's running back he doesn't like.

broncophan
08-24-2009, 09:36 PM
The only thing is, I've seen Orton "put it out there." He just needed the
receivers and O-line to do it more often. Now he has them. Let's see what he
can do.

Regarding Cutler, I'm not interested, despite accusations coming from
elsewhere. Cutler is a Bear. Orton is a Bronco. I'm interested in Orton.

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Regarding Marshall......I just wish the team and Marshall.....would settle things one way or the other and move on......keep him or trade him...

I'm really only interested in Orton as well.........but it would be o.k. with me if Cutler fails....big time...:D

LawDog
08-25-2009, 03:06 PM
The only thing is, I've seen Orton "put it out there." He just needed the
receivers and O-line to do it more often. Now he has them. Let's see what he
can do.

Regarding Cutler, I'm not interested, despite accusations coming from
elsewhere. Cutler is a Bear. Orton is a Bronco. I'm interested in Orton.

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Yeah, yeah, I hear you about Cutler being a Bear. But, the thread is about Marshall, and Cutler was the QB throwing to Marshall in seasons past so that's why I was comparing Cutler and Orton. To reiterate my original point - not a great loss of Marshall if Orton is just going to throw the short pass (either due to ability, which I questioned, or the offense being installed by McDaniels, which I may question but haven't yet). And, until he decided to channel Plummer, Orton was operating McDaniels' short pass offense pretty effectively against Seattle with Royal and company.

JR., yes YAC would be a way to evaluate, but as I said, ain't got the time. Or, maybe I'm just not interested enough to take the time.