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Overtime
08-16-2009, 09:04 PM
ouch, looks like the Senate means business with this rigged BCS garbage system. Looks like we just might see some playoffs in the next few years.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/12057629




WASHINGTON -- Rep. Joe Barton had a plane to catch, but he wanted to give college football officials a warning before leaving the highly publicized hearing.

Peering down from the podium, the Republican said in his Texas twang that unless the officials took action toward a playoff system in two months, Congress would likely move on his legislation aimed at forcing their hand.

More than three months have passed, and Barton's bill hasn't moved. Such is the way with college football and Congress.

For years, lawmakers have railed against the Bowl Championship Series, calling it an unfair way to select a national champion. A lot of righteous thundering, however, has not yielded anything on the legislative front.

President Barack Obama joined the fray last year, saying shortly after his election that there should be a playoff system.

"I'm going to throw my weight around a little bit," he said. "I think it's the right thing to do."

But now that he's in office, the recession, two wars and health care reform have taken him away from football, at least so far.

It seems unlikely Congress will take the initiative. To figure out why, just look at a map of the United States.

The current college bowl system features a championship game between the two top teams in the BCS standings, based on two polls and six computer rankings. After the title game, eight other schools fill in the remaining slots for Orange, Sugar, Fiesta and Rose bowls.

Under the BCS, six conferences get automatic bids - the ACC, Big East, Big 12, Big Ten, Pac-10 and SEC, in states from Massachusetts to Florida to California to Washington to Illinois. Those conference receive far more money than the conferences that don't get automatic bids.

"There are just too many senators and congressmen who represent districts where major BCS schools have a very dominant influence," said Gary Roberts, dean of the Indiana University School of Law-Indianapolis and an expert on sports law.
"So you're not going to get any senators from Louisiana or Alabama or Florida or Georgia or Tennessee or Ohio - those are all states with major state universities that are major BCS powerhouses."

There's been no bill introduced in the Senate this year to revamp the BCS, although GOP Sen. Orrin Hatch of Utah said he's looking into it. Mountain West Conference champion Utah was bypassed for last season's national championship despite going undefeated.

Barton, the top Republican on the House Energy and Commerce Committee, is one of several House members who has authored legislation aimed at forcing a playoff. His bill, which has four co-sponsors, would ban the promotion of a postseason NCAA Division I football game as a national championship unless it's the outcome of a playoff.

California Republican Gary Miller has three co-sponsors for his bill that would deny federal funds to schools in the Division I Football Bowl Subdivision unless the championship resulted from a playoff system. And Neil Abercrombie, a Democrat from Hawaii, has a nonbinding resolution calling for a playoff system and for a Justice Department investigation. He's got five co-sponsors.

Roberts says it's not enough.

"Sure, you've got Orrin Hatch from Utah who's unhappy," he said. "There are a handful of congressmen and senators from districts or states that feel like the BCS disadvantages them and their constituents, but they're a small minority of the overall Congress."

If there's a silent majority of lawmakers on the other side, "it's only silent as long as the issue is just a bunch of noise," Roberts said. "If a bill actually got some traction, you can bet that (Texas coach) Mack Brown would call the Texas senators, and [Alabama coach] Nick Saban would call the Alabama senators. There's no traction in Congress for doing anything about the BCS."

Democratic Sen. Chuck Schumer, for example, told the Associated Press that while he supports a playoff system, "the one caveat is I have [a New York school] Syracuse, which benefits from the funding situation because the Big East gets in. You'd have to preserve that."

Barton insisted in a telephone interview that there's a good chance his bill will pass the House this year.

"The key is finding a place on the agenda" in a year crowded with high-profile issues, he said. "We'll keep plugging away."

Hatch, who held a hearing in the Senate Judiciary Committee's subcommittee on antitrust, competition policy and consumer rights last month, has focused more on getting the Justice Department to investigate the BCS for antitrust violations. He told the AP he's working on letters to both the department and Obama making that case.

"Like I've said in the past, I'm not real anxious to get the government involved in regulating college football, but those who have the power to fix the system should do so - and they should do so voluntarily," Hatch said. "The BCS people don't appear too willing to consider any alternatives."

He said the Justice Department should look into the matter and report back to Congress either way -- even if it determines there is no antitrust violation.
"I think this is a big enough issue," Hatch said. "People try to pass this off as some itty-bitty issue. Hey, it involves hundreds of millions of dollars, it involves unfairness, mistreatment."

The Justice Department declined to say whether it would investigate the BCS.

Stephen Ross, director of the Penn State Institute for Sports Law, Policy and Research, and a former lawyer for the Justice Department's antitrust division, said the department will likely look into Hatch's request -- but more as a senatorial courtesy than anything else.

He said the department generally takes the position that its resources be devoted on actions that can't be brought by a private party, and would be unlikely to launch a full-blown investigation into the BCS. Someone other than the department could bring a lawsuit challenging the BCS.

Congress has given the issue a high-profile look this year with a pair of media-generating hearings, but it also held them in the past -- including a couple in 2003 that didn't lead to any legislative remedy.

That year, the House and Senate Judiciary Committees both held hearings -- the latter one requested by Delaware Sen. Joe Biden, now vice president.

"What about the teams that aren't in these conferences and the fans that aren't in these conferences?" he asked at the time. "It looks un-American. It really does. It looks not fair. It looks like a rigged deal."

Rick
08-17-2009, 06:55 PM
I don't watch college so dont care about thier system one way or another.

But I just have to question, and have same thoughts with baseballs steriod thing.

What the heck does the goverenment have to do with the sports world. Don't they have enough to worry about, like a horrid economy, to be concerning themselves with the sports world?

Overtime
08-18-2009, 09:09 AM
I don't watch college so dont care about thier system one way or another.

But I just have to question, and have same thoughts with baseballs steriod thing.

What the heck does the goverenment have to do with the sports world. Don't they have enough to worry about, like a horrid economy, to be concerning themselves with the sports world?

the government provides funding for a lot of these student athletes in the form of pell grants, stafford loans, and other such scholarships and grants, and if the BCS is in violation of any anti-trust laws (which I suspect they are with this BCS System racket) then the government has by all means the right to step in and force the BCS to deal with the issue and make a fair system for all the schools.

Basically to sum it all up, the BCS is telling kids if you don't go to

Nebraska
Florida
Florida State
LSU
Georgia
Texas
Oklahoma
LSU
Colorado
West Virginia
USC
Oregon
Miami
Virginia Tech
Alabama

you have absolutely no chance to ever play for a National Championship.

The way the BCS is setup (and unfairly so I might add) is that if you go to Boise State, Rutgers, Utah, Hawaii, Fresno State, UNLV (and other smaller schools) you will never ever compete for a National Championship and you never have the opportunity to play in a National Championship game, and you can never win one, and you will never ever get a piece of the financial pie either.

BCS has a racket going on, and it appears only the government is big enough to put a stop to it, and force a playoff system, and I'm all for that.

BCS has been petitioned time and time again, and been given every opportunity to correct a flawed system and they refuse to do so, instead trying to make these piddly ass concessions in regards to at large bids for certain BCS Bowl games, but never allowing the little guy into the National Championship Hunt.

NightTrainLayne
08-18-2009, 10:06 AM
I don't watch college so dont care about thier system one way or another.

But I just have to question, and have same thoughts with baseballs steriod thing.

What the heck does the goverenment have to do with the sports world. Don't they have enough to worry about, like a horrid economy, to be concerning themselves with the sports world?

I guess if the Government can run GM and Chrysler, the BCS is really just a tear-drop in the ocean.

Hobe
08-18-2009, 10:16 AM
Thank god the government is finally going to do something about college football! :elefant:

As if there wasn't other more important things to think about. :rolleyes:

MOtorboat
08-18-2009, 12:49 PM
the government provides funding for a lot of these student athletes in the form of pell grants, stafford loans, and other such scholarships and grants, and if the BCS is in violation of any anti-trust laws (which I suspect they are with this BCS System racket) then the government has by all means the right to step in and force the BCS to deal with the issue and make a fair system for all the schools.

Basically to sum it all up, the BCS is telling kids if you don't go to

Nebraska
Florida
Florida State
LSU
Georgia
Texas
Oklahoma
LSU
Colorado
West Virginia
USC
Oregon
Miami
Virginia Tech
Alabama

you have absolutely no chance to ever play for a National Championship.

The way the BCS is setup (and unfairly so I might add) is that if you go to Boise State, Rutgers, Utah, Hawaii, Fresno State, UNLV (and other smaller schools) you will never ever compete for a National Championship and you never have the opportunity to play in a National Championship game, and you can never win one, and you will never ever get a piece of the financial pie either.

BCS has a racket going on, and it appears only the government is big enough to put a stop to it, and force a playoff system, and I'm all for that.

BCS has been petitioned time and time again, and been given every opportunity to correct a flawed system and they refuse to do so, instead trying to make these piddly ass concessions in regards to at large bids for certain BCS Bowl games, but never allowing the little guy into the National Championship Hunt.

Look...I agree with you that I don't have a problem with them trying to make the BCS fix the system, because it is unfair...but...

Making sure every football player in Division I playing for the BCS National Championship isn't exactly on the same wave-length as fair wages for amount of work, good working conditions and the job market, as every other anti-trust issue is.

Overtime
08-18-2009, 11:18 PM
Look...I agree with you that I don't have a problem with them trying to make the BCS fix the system, because it is unfair...but...

Making sure every football player in Division I playing for the BCS National Championship isn't exactly on the same wave-length as fair wages for amount of work, good working conditions and the job market, as every other anti-trust issue is.

no but look at it from this perspective. If every kid in high school has a chance to compete for a chance to play for a state title, why shouldn't every kid who goes to a college, regardless of that college he goes to have the right to at least "compete' for the right to play in a national championship?

The BCS is being selective over who it wants playing in National Championships because of the money that's at stake.

The rankings system needs go bye bye, the coaches poll and the media poll is a sacrilege...it's like letting the wolves guard the sheep. the media is biased and so are the coaches.

It's simple really, the BCS needs to make a 32 team/16 game playoff system, give the 2 teams with the best record a bye week (break it down with tie breakers if needs be) and let 'em battle it out on the field, and may the best teams win, and whoever's left standing at the end is the National Champ. It would end the controversy, make the game more exciting, and give every student athlete football player a legit shot at the chance to compete for a national title.


MLB, MLS, NHL, NBA, NFL, College Baseball & College Basketball don't have co-national champions...so why in the hell should College Football? There should never be 2 champions of any sport, there should only be 1.


the BCS is a joke and if it doesn't want to take the proper steps to make a fair system, then yes the Govt. should step in and do something about it.

MOtorboat
08-19-2009, 06:38 AM
no but look at it from this perspective. If every kid in high school has a chance to compete for a chance to play for a state title, why shouldn't every kid who goes to a college, regardless of that college he goes to have the right to at least "compete' for the right to play in a national championship?

I don't think you realize what are you are talking about when you make this statement. I don't think you understand the scope of what this comment means.

OrangeHoof
08-19-2009, 12:54 PM
Either the smaller conferences should have fairer access to compete for the National Championship or another division should be created where they can have their own National Championship. I don't like watching an undefeated Boise St. or Utah get snubbed for the MNC Bowl so one-loss or even two-loss "traditional powers" can play for all the marbles. Either Division I (or whatever they call it now) is 100% equal or they aren't and if they aren't, they should be given their own division so they can have their own champion.

Nomad
08-23-2009, 04:55 PM
I don't like seeing the gov't involved but this BCS things needs to change and implement a playoff system.

Ravage!!!
08-23-2009, 05:12 PM
Considering what is happening with the BCS system, and the racket that it has become, its forcing certain colleges to get more and better recruits because the top players, and even the B players, will want to go to colleges that "can" (by rules) compete for a national championship. By eliminating competition completely, they are funneling all the money that is to be made to CERTAIN colleges.. and worse.. completely away from others. Away from other colleges, cities, states, student bodies and players.

Its not the govt stepping in simply because they want a "true champion" in NCAA football. But because its a big money racket that is using a 'national ranking' (that they have rigged) for their financial benefit. Its a fraud.

Nomad
01-08-2010, 08:27 AM
As the dollar signs float in his head, the new director speaks!!:lol::tsk:

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Updated: January 7, 2010, 3:42 PM ET
New BCS chief defends system
Associated Press

NEWPORT BEACH, Calif. -- The new BCS executive director officially began his tenure Thursday by saying the often-criticized postseason represents a consensus among the 120 schools that play major college football.

Bill Hancock said a playoff at college football's highest level would lead to more injuries, conflict with final exams, kill the bowl system and diminish the importance of the regular season.

"I know this is not completely popular, but I believe in it," Hancock told reporters Thursday at the Football Writers Association of America awards breakfast. "I believe it is in the best interest of the universities.

"College football has never been better and I believe the BCS is part of that."

Hancock, a longtime administrator in college athletics, was hired by the conference commissioners in November to be a full-time point person for the Bowl Championship Series. During the first 12 years of the BCS, the position of coordinator rotated among conference commissioners on a two-year basis.



I know this is not completely popular, but I believe in it. ... College football has never been better and I believe the BCS is part of that.


-- BCS executive director Bill Hancock

Hancock now assumes those duties.

The Bowl Championship Series was implemented in 1998 to match the two top-ranked teams in major college football at the end of the season and help create matchups for the four other marquee bowl games -- the Fiesta, Sugar, Orange and Rose.

No. 1 Alabama and No. 2 Texas were set to play in the Citi BCS National Championship Game on Thursday night at the Rose Bowl.

Hancock said the fact that other lower levels of college football use playoffs to decide their champions doesn't mean it would work in the Football Bowl Subdivision. The second-tier of Division I football, the Championship Subdivision, has a 16-team playoff with all but the final played at home sites.

"It works at that level, I can't deny it, but if you look attendance for those games, only Montana had decent attendance," he said. "Many teams didn't draw as well as they did in the regular season."

Hancock said there has been no discussion about adding a fifth bowl into the BCS mix. He said the commissioners and bowls are pleased with the double-hosting model, in which the championship game is played about a week after the other four bowls at one of those sites.

"But I suspect it will be one of the items on our list of topics," he said.

It has been speculated that the Cotton Bowl, now played in the new $1.2 billion Dallas Cowboys Stadium, would again make a pitch to be included in the BCS.

"The fact is what we have right now works," Hancock said. "Who would you ask not to be a part of this?"

No changes are expected to the system for the next four years, despite congressional hearings and a new pro-playoff ad campaign.

The BCS begins a new four-year TV deal with ESPN next season, and each of its current bowl partners also start new four-year contracts in the 2010 season.

The BCS is in the middle of a four-year cycle it will us to evaluate which conferences receive automatic bids. The champions of the Big East, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-10, ACC and SEC currently get automatic bids to BCS games.

The BCS uses three criteria, which judge the strength of the teams in the conferences from top to bottom, to determine which leagues receive automatic bids.

Hancock said the number of automatic bids could go up for the 2012 season if another conferences qualifies under the BCS standards.

The Mountain West Conference doesn't have an automatic bid but has had its champion earn a BCS berth three times since the 2004 season, including this season with TCU. The Western Athletic Conference also has had three teams, including Boise State twice, reach the BCS.

But both leagues would like to secure automatic bids and some BCS critics have questioned whether the process for earning an automatic bid is truly objective.

Hancock said the BCS has talked about making that process more transparent.

"I think there is some sense now that it is time to be a little bit more open about that," he