Willis McGahee out 6-8 Weeks

[cmc0605]

The Broncos running back has a torn MCL and a leg fracture, Jay Glazer reports

From nfl.com

Bad news. We will need Hillman, Ball, and probably Moreno to come in now and get it done.

[NightTerror218]

man that sucks

[cmc0605]

Hopefully we'll have him back for the playoffs. His tough running will help a lot in there.

[G_Money]

:mad:

~G

[NightTerror218]

my question now is at his age how well will he bounce back this time?

[slim]

man that sucks

Way to ruin this thread with your boring and off topic post.

I feel bad for Willis, though.

[slim]

Also, its a good thing we don't have a quality back up.

[NightTerror218]

Way to ruin this thread with your boring and off topic post.

I feel bad for Willis, though.

damn you stop trolling. This is a serious thread. This is really going to hurt this team.

[G_Money]

Good think I already had Stepfan Taylor in my draft mocks. Also good that Manning is used to having a crappy running game to work around.

Hopefully Hillman learns quickly on the job.

~G

[LRtagger]

Should have drafted Dougie Martin

[ikillz0mbies]

Ahh crap...that means Moreno will be active...which is fine and would be a huge help as a 3rd down back, catching out of the backfield. It's a good chance for Hillman to show what he's got, assuming he gets lead back duties. And I don't really like Ball...he's meh, but has shown some flashes. Maybe the Broncos can sign someone for depth?

[NightTerror218]

Ahh crap...that means Moreno will be active...which is fine and would be a huge help as a 3rd down back, catching out of the backfield. It's a good chance for Hillman to show what he's got, assuming he gets lead back duties. And I don't really like Ball...he's meh, but has shown some flashes. Maybe the Broncos can sign someone for depth?

the one think ball can do is block though.

[slim]

Ahh crap...that means Moreno will be active...which is fine and would be a huge help as a 3rd down back, catching out of the backfield. It's a good chance for Hillman to show what he's got, assuming he gets lead back duties. And I don't really like Ball...he's meh, but has shown some flashes. Maybe the Broncos can sign someone for depth?

Oh man, don't let Buff read this.

Quick, I will create a diversion so you can edit the post before he gets here.

[Broncomarkie]

Jason LaConfora posted on twitter that the broncos will be working out RBs Tuesday...among them he listed Steve Slaton

[G_Money]

Should have drafted Dougie Martin

I knew that at the time. Know it even more watching him get his NFL sea legs and run over a buncha fools.

But whatever. Wolfe has played well and we didn't want to spend a first round pick on another RB. Another thing to blame Moreno for.

There are some decent bigger backs we can add in this draft on the second or even third day. We should have been planning that anyway, since McGahee is about 84 in running-back-years, but I would think this should seal it.

Right?

~G

[NightTerror218]

how many RBs are on our IR too?

[G_Money]

Jason LaConfora posted on twitter that the broncos will be working out RBs Tuesday...among them he listed Steve Slaton

Just go find Jeremiah Johnson, tell him to stop fighting grizzly bears, and make him suit up. He already knows the offense anyway.

~G

[ikillz0mbies]

Jason LaConfora posted on twitter that the broncos will be working out RBs Tuesday...among them he listed Steve Slaton

Ugh...Slaton. He's fast, but that's about it. He's got major fumbling issues, more than McGahee, and that's something the Broncos don't need.

[slim]

Just go find Jeremiah Johnson, tell him to stop fighting grizzly bears, and make him suit up. He already knows the offense anyway.

~G

Yeah, I would rather see Johnson given a shot than sign Slaton.

[G_Money]

Johnson's a better receiver than Hillman, is perfectly comfortable in an uptempo offense (coming from Oregon) and played well in the preseason. I would have rather cut Moreno and kept Johnson ANYWAY, so yeah... find him. Is he on somebody's practice squad? Selling cell phones at a mall kiosk? What?

~G

[Magnificent Seven]

Get DeAngelo Williams. :D

[slim]

Johnson's a better receiver than Hillman, is perfectly comfortable in an uptempo offense (coming from Oregon) and played well in the preseason. I would have rather cut Moreno and kept Johnson ANYWAY, so yeah... find him. Is he on somebody's practice squad? Selling cell phones at a mall kiosk? What?

~G

He is on the Broncos PS :listen:

[Northman]

Thats not good......

[G_Money]

Perfect - we know where to find him then. Call off the search parties! Promote his ass and keep winning games. TIA.

~G

[ikillz0mbies]

Maybe Joseph Addai with his familiarity with Manning? Ryan Grant as a good blocker (even though he has injury issues and that Ball is a good blocker)? Tim Hightower (good pass blocker, pretty good runner but has ACL issues)? Or Xavier Omon (was with the team during the pre-season and I think some here liked him to make the final roster)?

[slim]

Didn't WAS sign Ryan Grant earlier this year?

[cmc0605]

As the Moreno rebel of our forum, I am hoping he gets another shot and performs well. That said, Hillman and Ball both ran pretty well against a tough SD defense. Manning will take a lot of pressure off them, but the flipside is that the play action pass won't be as effective if we can't run.

[Tned]

Johnson's a better receiver than Hillman, is perfectly comfortable in an uptempo offense (coming from Oregon) and played well in the preseason. I would have rather cut Moreno and kept Johnson ANYWAY, so yeah... find him. Is he on somebody's practice squad? Selling cell phones at a mall kiosk? What?

~G

Last I checked, he was on the Broncos practice squad. Have to assume that Johnson will be added to the roster when McGahee is put on IR, and then any given Sunday, they will dress the three backs they think give them the best shot.

[G_Money]

Omon would be good too if we're looking for a bigger back (Johnson's smaller). I liked Xavier fine. Because he's not on a PS that I know of, though, I'm not sure what kind of football shape he's in.

I don't want to break anybody in on our system this late in the game. Omon is familiar. Johnson is familiar. Both guys can run. Use one.

~G

[Northman]

I forgot about Omon.

[slim]

As the Moreno rebel of our forum, I am hoping he gets another shot and performs well. That said, Hillman and Ball both ran pretty well against a tough SD defense. Manning will take a lot of pressure off them, but the flipside is that the play action pass won't be as effective if we can't run.

Ball ran OK, but Hillman did not. He looks slow and lost out their.

We were gashing SD before Willis got hurt (like 8 ypc or something) and then we couldn't run it all with Hillman in the game.

[NightTerror218]

As the Moreno rebel of our forum, I am hoping he gets another shot and performs well. That said, Hillman and Ball both ran pretty well against a tough SD defense. Manning will take a lot of pressure off them, but the flipside is that the play action pass won't be as effective if we can't run.

I think Hillman needs the experience. But SD was ranked 7th in rush defense I think. I am really curious to see what direction they go. Will Mcgahee go to IR and we sign another vet or pull off our PS. Its hard to think of what elway will do. He has proven to be smart and I trust what he does. he will do what ever is best for playoff push.

[Northman]

Found this but dont know how updated it is.


1. Tim Hightower (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/NFL/4901/Tim-Hightower)
2. Ryan Grant
3. Steve Slaton (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/NFL/4651/Steve-Slaton)
4. Thomas Jones (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/NFL/2408/Thomas-Jones)
5. Joseph Addai (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/NFL/3646/Joseph-Addai)
6. Mewelde Moore
7. Cadillac Williams (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/NFL/3133/Cadillac-Williams)
8. Tyrell Sutton (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/NFL/5503/Tyrell-Sutton)
9. Ryan Torain (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/NFL/4809/Ryan-Torain)
10. Maurice Morris (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/NFL/518/Maurice-Morris)
11. Rock Cartwright (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/NFL/125/Rock-Cartwright)
12. Dimitri Nance (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/NFL/6043/Dimitri-Nance)
13. Lonyae Miller
14. Jerious Norwood (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/NFL/3645/Jerious-Norwood)
15. Sammy Morris (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/NFL/1284/Sammy-Morris)
16. Chester Taylor (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/NFL/2204/Chester-Taylor)
17. Deji Karim
18. Lorenzo Booker
19. Kregg Lumpkin 20. Xavier Omon (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/NFL/4923/Xavier-Omon)
21. Harvey Unga
22. Kareem Huggins (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/NFL/5585/Kareem-Huggins)
23. Davin Meggett (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/NFL/8214/Davin-Meggett)
24. Herb Donaldson (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/NFL/5474/Herb-Donaldson)
25. Chad Spann



http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/41331/74/best-available-nfl-free-agents

[G_Money]

PS - how have we gotten to page 3 without somebody suggesting we trade for Tebow at RB? Tebow as Manning's personal protector would be worth its weight in gold, right?

Where the hell are all the Gator fans when we need em?

~G

[BroncoNut]

Johnson's a better receiver than Hillman, is perfectly comfortable in an uptempo offense (coming from Oregon) and played well in the preseason. I would have rather cut Moreno and kept Johnson ANYWAY, so yeah... find him. Is he on somebody's practice squad? Selling cell phones at a mall kiosk? What?

~G

he's probably getting some hunting in and preparing his cabin for the long winter. If we expect to find him in time for Sunday, we're going to have to cover quite a bit of territory between now an then

[slim]

Found this but dont know how updated it is.



http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/41331/74/best-available-nfl-free-agents

Meh, nothing special there. They could add someone for depth (Hightower) but I would rather see Johnson (or even Knowshon) given the chance.

[G_Money]

Ball ran OK, but Hillman did not. He looks slow and lost out their.

We were gashing SD before Willis got hurt (like 8 ypc or something) and then we couldn't run it all with Hillman in the game.

It looked like Hillman got hurt on that 18 yard run. He went looking for 4th gear, ground the clutch, fell back into second and staggered to the finish. He wasn't really the same running the ball after that (not that he's a true between-the-tackles guy anyway).

Hopefully he just got nicked up.

~G

[Northman]

Meh, nothing special there. They could add someone for depth (Hightower) but I would rather see Johnson (or even Knowshon) given the chance.

Im done with KnowMO. I see some names i would take a shot on but considering that they are not with any teams leaves very little to write home about. Im ok with Johnson, i love his speed but would rather leave Moreno as the water boy.

[ikillz0mbies]

Familiarity is good, which is why I like calling up Johnson from the PS, Omon, or Addai (I know he hasn't been on the team and up there in age, but being on the same page with Manning on audibles and blocking assignments are crucial). Personally, I'd prefer a power back that can run effectively between the tackles to wear down the opposing defense and set up the play action pass to keep defenses honest.

[slim]

It looked like Hillman got hurt on that 18 yard run. He went looking for 4th gear, ground the clutch, fell back into second and staggered to the finish. He wasn't really the same running the ball after that (not that he's a true between-the-tackles guy anyway).

Hopefully he just got nicked up.

~G

Good point. I forgot about that.

[NightTerror218]

PS - how have we gotten to page 3 without somebody suggesting we trade for Tebow at RB? Tebow as Manning's personal protector would be worth its weight in gold, right?

Where the hell are all the Gator fans when we need em?

~G
Tebow is not a good blocker, I have watched him whiff blocks on STs.

[G_Money]

I wouldn't be unhappy at all to see Omon. Big guy who can pick his way through traffic, likes to run downhill and leans for extra yardage? We could do worse on short notice.

~G

[Northman]

I would give these guys a look. Can do no worse than what we have really.

Tim Hightower
Joseph Addai
Ryan Torain
Maurice Morris
Jerious Norwood
Xavier Omon

[NightTerror218]

I would give these guys a look. Can do no worse than what we have really.

Tim Hightower
Joseph Addai
Ryan Torain
Maurice Morris
Jerious Norwood
Xavier Omon

I personally like hightower. I was shocked he was released.

[Northman]

I personally like hightower. I was shocked he was released.

The problem for Tim is his injury history. Same with Torain. In moments they look really good but if they cant stay healthy its hard to keep them.

[ikillz0mbies]

I personally like hightower. I was shocked he was released.

Me too, but he was dealing with MAJOR ACL issues when he was. I don't know how it is now, but he was very impressive last year for the Skins until he got hurt.

[G_Money]

I personally like hightower. I was shocked he was released.

You're shocked Shanahan treated a RB like a disposable commodity? Really?

If his knee is fixed now, though, I'd take him for a test drive too. Forgot about him (stupid disposable RBs...).

~G

[Buff]

I personally blame all the people who were clamoring to see Moreno last week for no reason at all. I hope you're all happy.

[tomjonesrocks]

Man that sucks. Hope it's 6 weeks and he's back for the playoffs.

They need to sign someone. Hillman has disappointed and Moreno just can't fill McGahee's shoes.

[slim]

I personally blame all the people who were clamoring to see Moreno last week for no reason at all. I hope you're all happy.

I blame NT and his unwise and boring posts.

[ATLbroNCO]

Considering our upcoming opponents:

Chiefs (2x) - 25th in Rush D
Bucs - 1st in Rush D
Raiders - 23rd in Rush D
Ravens - 27th in Rush D
Browns - 24th in Rush D

We should be okay. The Bucs are scary with their ability to not allow the run, and their running game is a formula to keep PFM and Co. off of the field. Luckily TB is last in the league in pass D :beer: Oh yeah, and our defense isn't too shabby when it comes to the run.

Here's to Willis getting better soon, we will need him in the playoffs.

[cmc0605]

I personally blame all the people who were clamoring to see Moreno last week for no reason at all. I hope you're all happy.

I started the thread last week (without knocking on wood, my bad) for precisely the reason that I was worried about McGahee's durability. He was the predominant workhorse in the backfield and his biggest upside was the ability to get yards after contact, and I think someone like that is more valuable in December than right now. I still thought he should be the #1 runningback, just that his carries should have been a bit more limited. None of it was meant as a pro-Moreno advocacy campaign, it's just that I happen to have a different view of Moreno than the rest of my broncosforums peers.

That said, whoever is in the backfield (probably Hillman to be starting, and Ball to back him up, maybe a bit of action from anyone they bring in as a FA) I will cheer for. I'm not incredibly worried because of our passing offense, quality of defense, strength of schedule... and while the current RBs are nothing special, they can get it done. I hope McGahee is back for the playoffs though.

[NightTerror218]

I blame NT and his unwise and boring posts.

I blame the fat people......your fault McGahee is injured.

[Buff]

I blame NT and his unwise and boring posts.

Man they are all really boring too. But I can't hold him accountable for this. The part that really grinds my gears about this whole thing is that I'll bet OP deep down is sort of excited that Knowshon is going to get some extra touches out of this.

McGahee has been under-appreciated.

[slim]

Man they are all really boring too. But I can't hold him accountable for this. The part that really grinds my gears about this whole thing is that I'll bet OP deep down is sort of excited that Knowshon is going to get some extra touches out of this.

McGahee has been under-appreciated.

The running game flat sucks when he comes off the field.

I guess we will just have to throw the crap out of it for the rest of the year.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Denver Broncos running back Willis McGahee is no stranger to coming back from serious leg injuries. He's facing yet another challenge.

FOX Sports Insider and NFL Network contributor Jay Glazer reports McGahee will miss 6-8 weeks after suffering a torn MCL and a fracture in his leg during Sunday's 30-23 win over the San Diego Chargers.

NFL.com's Albert Breer later confirmed the report.

rest - http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000097749/article/willis-mcgahee-has-leg-fracture-torn-mcl-for-broncos

[ATLbroNCO]

From NFL.com


UPDATE: McGahee was told by doctors to not put any weight on his leg, according to Adam Schefter. He will not need surgery and is expecting to return in four to six weeks.

From: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000097749/article/willis-mcgahee-has-leg-fracture-torn-mcl-for-broncos

So 4-6 or 6-8?

[bcbronc]

This definitely hurts. Obviously Manning is this offence's Batman, but McGahee is his utility belt.

Whether Johnson or Moreno, neither replaces the body punches between the tackles that McGahee brought. I personally feel Moreno is the much better back between the two and deserves to be next man up--I can't see JJ putting up ~80 yards from scrimmage and .6 TDs per game over a 29 game stretch like Moreno did to start his career. But unless Omon or someone else emerges, it's still likely Ball that gets the first chance at establishing any inside running game, and my confidence in Ball isn't very high.

Big problem with Moreno, JJ and Hilman, they're all more or less the same type of back. None are the guy I want running between the tackles, and none run with enough finish to soften up a D. But of those 3 + Ball, if one has to get 20 touches next week I'd want it to be Moreno.

If Fox and Elway don't have confidence in Moreno (something Alfred Williams just suggested on NFLN) and do dress JJ instead, I have to wonder about the logic of keeping Moreno on the roster this long. There's no need to rehash all the Moreno hate here, the only point I'm making is if you keep a guy on your 53 man roster, then an injury happens and you don't feel comfortable giving him a shot, if he's not a rookie or 2nd year player why waste the roster spot? Whoever is next man up, I'll be rooting for them.

[G_Money]

McGahee isn't going on IR. Not if it's 4-6 weeks. We might have a bye for the playoffs as well - plenty of time to get healthy and be ready to contribute. We'll just have to cut another backup LB or something (sorry Nate) to add a temporary RB in the meantime to get us through the schedule until Willis can make his return.

~G

[bcbronc]

I personally blame all the people who were clamoring to see Moreno last week for no reason at all. I hope you're all happy.

I personally blame all those people who wanted McGahee scratched for fumbling. And dogfish for his unprovoked Moreno hatred the other day.

But reality is, we all shoulda known it was a matter of when and how bad Willie got hurt, not if.

[NightTerror218]

McGahee isn't going on IR. Not if it's 4-6 weeks. We might have a bye for the playoffs as well - plenty of time to get healthy and be ready to contribute. We'll just have to cut another backup LB or something (sorry Nate) to add a temporary RB in the meantime to get us through the schedule until Willis can make his return.

~G

Moreno/ball/hillman already on 53 man roster. They could roll the dice with them at KC to test out how they are doing before signing another.

[turftoad]

Well, if it's any consolation, Moreno should be 100% healthy by now.

[bcbronc]

McGahee isn't going on IR. Not if it's 4-6 weeks. We might have a bye for the playoffs as well - plenty of time to get healthy and be ready to contribute. We'll just have to cut another backup LB or something (sorry Nate) to add a temporary RB in the meantime to get us through the schedule until Willis can make his return.

~G

Nah, Nate Irving has been making some plays on special teams the last few weeks. I think he's safe. If they bring in a running back, it makes sense to cut Moreno...don't leave him on the 53 man roster if you're not going to use him. Otherwise Hanie, Orange Julius Thomas or LB Steven Johnson are the likely cuts.

[BroncoNut]

The running game flat sucks when he comes off the field.

I guess we will just have to throw the crap out of it for the rest of the year.

kinda my take too. Hillman on a few short routes in the flat. I think we need to draft a TE this spring. Zach Ertz. no forget I said that. I actually like the guy we have now.

[NightTerror218]

Nah, Nate Irving has been making some plays on special teams the last few weeks. I think he's safe. If they bring in a running back, it makes sense to cut Moreno...don't leave him on the 53 man roster if you're not going to use him. Otherwise Hanie, Orange Julius Thomas or LB Steven Johnson are the likely cuts.

i think haine bites bullet again.

[ikillz0mbies]

Nah, Nate Irving has been making some plays on special teams the last few weeks. I think he's safe. If they bring in a running back, it makes sense to cut Moreno...don't leave him on the 53 man roster if you're not going to use him. Otherwise Hanie, Orange Julius Thomas or LB Steven Johnson are the likely cuts.

It'll probably be Hanie...

[NightTerror218]

kinda my take too. Hillman on a few short routes in the flat. I think we need to draft a TE this spring. Zach Ertz

he is a stud but I think he will be a top TE in the draft and I do not think we are that desperate for one. I would love to have him instead of Virgil Green though. I still have hopes for Thomas.

[BroncoNut]

he is a stud but I think he will be a top TE in the draft and I do not think we are that desperate for one. I would love to have him instead of Virgil Green though. I still have hopes for Thomas.

yeah. i agree. I edited the post almost immediately. I like who we have now. not Green, forget name.

[G_Money]

I think it's likely that Moreno gets a shot in KC, but we're gonna want another RB on the roster anyway to prep up in case of further emergency. I mean, Hillman goes down in KC and that puts our newly-acquired RB one week further behind schedule in learning the offense if we haven't picked him up already.

~G

[NightTerror218]

yeah. i agree. I edited the post almost immediately. I like who we have now. not Green, forget name.

lol, gotcha. Dressen has been good for us. If that is who you are thinking.

[ikillz0mbies]

he is a stud but I think he will be a top TE in the draft and I do not think we are that desperate for one. I would love to have him instead of Virgil Green though. I still have hopes for Thomas.

But Green has shown potential to be a good receiver, if need be, as well as a good run blocker. He has that potential to be a hybrid FB/TE. Thomas is still pretty raw though, but definitely has that potential to be an explosive receiving TE.

[turftoad]

I think it's likely that Moreno gets a shot in KC, but we're gonna want another RB on the roster anyway to prep up in case of further emergency. I mean, Hillman goes down in KC and that puts our newly-acquired RB one week further behind schedule in learning the offense if we haven't picked him up already.

~G

Agreed G. I don't see anyone out there (FA) that is going to be the man. We have to deal with what we have and bring someone in for depth and like you said, emergency.

[Northman]

This definitely hurts. Obviously Manning is this offence's Batman, but McGahee is his utility belt.

Whether Johnson or Moreno, neither replaces the body punches between the tackles that McGahee brought. I personally feel Moreno is the much better back between the two and deserves to be next man up--I can't see JJ putting up ~80 yards from scrimmage and .6 TDs per game over a 29 game stretch like Moreno did to start his career. But unless Omon or someone else emerges, it's still likely Ball that gets the first chance at establishing any inside running game, and my confidence in Ball isn't very high.

Big problem with Moreno, JJ and Hilman, they're all more or less the same type of back. None are the guy I want running between the tackles, and none run with enough finish to soften up a D. But of those 3 + Ball, if one has to get 20 touches next week I'd want it to be Moreno.

If Fox and Elway don't have confidence in Moreno (something Alfred Williams just suggested on NFLN) and do dress JJ instead, I have to wonder about the logic of keeping Moreno on the roster this long. There's no need to rehash all the Moreno hate here, the only point I'm making is if you keep a guy on your 53 man roster, then an injury happens and you don't feel comfortable giving him a shot, if he's not a rookie or 2nd year player why waste the roster spot? Whoever is next man up, I'll be rooting for them.


If Moreno can come out with more fire and better playing like DJ this yesterday im all for it. Doubt it will happen and doubt it will be long term with either but i welcome them to prove me wrong.

[BroncoNut]

lol, gotcha. Dressen has been good for us. If that is who you are thinking.

yep, Joel I believe

[BroncoJoe]

Going to have to cut someone loose, bring up JJ from the practice squad and bring back Omar to the practice squad.

[pulse]

Hello, first-time poster.

I think Denver should bring in Addai. He knows Peyton, obviously. He also knows variations of this offense and he is a great assignment back. He is an excellent blocker and has tremendous familiarity with Peyton in his protection schemes. Though he may not be a power runner, he does have the ability to run between the tackles and do it successfully. He also has great hands and is one hell of a screen receiver. He has great field awareness and knows when to get down or get to the first down marker. He plays smart and not stupid and isn't injury prone. I think he would make an immediate impact. Does Denver bring him in if the price is not too much?

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Chris Gronkowski is still on the roster - what's with him - could they use him?

[MileHighCrew]

wow, big blow for something he thought wasn't too serious. I do love this team and I think they will be able to overcome this. Good news is with the schedule they will be able to bring someone in or work with Hillman to get better in his weak areas

[BroncoNut]

welcome Pulse. I like Addai, but is he available to play and is he fit enough?

[Timmy!]

Well that sucks, but it's not the end of the world. Manning has won with worse. Maybe No-Show will surprise us.....:flame:

[MileHighCrew]

this will be the final shot for Moreno in Denver. I still think there is potential there for him to be successful.

[Buff]

Hello, first-time poster.

I think Denver should bring in Addai. He knows Peyton, obviously. He also knows variations of this offense and he is a great assignment back. He is an excellent blocker and has tremendous familiarity with Peyton in his protection schemes. Though he may not be a power runner, he does have the ability to run between the tackles and do it successfully. He also has great hands and is one hell of a screen receiver. He has great field awareness and knows when to get down or get to the first down marker. He plays smart and not stupid and isn't injury prone. I think he would make an immediate impact. Does Denver bring him in if the price is not too much?

Not a terrible idea when you consider some of the names the Jets had in for workouts the other week when they needed a RB. Didn't he have a degenerative knee or something that forced him out? Not sure if he's in football shape or not.

[Mike]

I hope Moreno comes in having learned from the situation and with a chip on his shoulder and the desire to prove himself.

I would like to see them activate Jerimiah Johnson from the PS or maybe go after Oman from the preseason.

[pulse]

welcome Pulse. I like Addai, but is he available to play and is he fit enough?

Good question. He should be. He just tried out for the Giants on Nov. 15 but they didn't make a roster move. I don't know how much his price tag is since his short-lived contract was cut loose by the Patriots in June. Granted, the Patriots had plenty of depth at the time and probably didn't need the expense. He did miss some games in 2011 due to injury, so I should not have said "he isn't injury prone" in my first post; however, the Colts' run blocking was the worst in the NFL last year and he got hit behind the line constantly. He may have very fresh legs if he is in shape.

[DenBronx]

Found this but dont know how updated it is.



http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/41331/74/best-available-nfl-free-agents

How come Tatum Bell isnt on the list??? Quick! Someone call Verizon and see if he's available!!

[sneakers]

well not as bad as it could have been

[sneakers]

this will be the final shot for Moreno in Denver. I still think there is potential there for him to be successful.

I agree, he is good once he gets in the open field.....but that darn line of scrimmage he always trips over...

[DenBronx]

Hillman and Moreno I think are going to get the bulk of the carries.

We knocked Moreno for fumbling but McGahee has been fumbling just as much. Moreno has shown flashes at times but he needs to do it every week. I would like to see him come back hungrier than ever. He has been rallying the team from the sidelines and has been a good teammate. Well here's his shot again...

[weazel]

maybe they can break Maurice Clarett out of jail, lure him in with an unlimited supply of Grey Goose

[topscribe]

I wouldn't be unhappy at all to see Omon. Big guy who can pick his way through traffic, likes to run downhill and leans for extra yardage? We could do worse on short notice.

~G
I've liked Omon ever since the preseason game when I watched him pick up half
the opposing team's defense and carry them and the ball across the goal line . . .
.

[turftoad]

Good question. He should be. He just tried out for the Giants on Nov. 15 but they didn't make a roster move. I don't know how much his price tag is since his short-lived contract was cut loose by the Patriots in June. Granted, the Patriots had plenty of depth at the time and probably didn't need the expense. He did miss some games in 2011 due to injury, so I should not have said "he isn't injury prone" in my first post; however, the Colts' run blocking was the worst in the NFL last year and he got hit behind the line constantly. He may have very fresh legs if he is in shape.

Addai's price tag should be cheap. I mean he's not even playing right now. He should be a bargain is we decide to bring him in.

[bcbronc]

Just saw an interview with Fox on NFLN and he said "more than likely Knowshon" for next week.

[slim]

Just saw an interview with Fox on NFLN and he said "more than likely Knowshon" for next week.

More than likely what? That Knowshon will start?

[ikillz0mbies]

More than likely to be inactive??? To dance behind the LOS??? Get injured???

[Buff]

More than likely to be inactive??? To dance behind the LOS??? Get injured???

More than likely he gets sauced at some point this week.

[slim]

More than likely to be inactive??? To dance behind the LOS??? Get injured???

To fumble at the most critical moment of the game??

[bcbronc]

hahaha, sorry, to dress. More than likely Moreno will dress, the rotation will work itself out in practice over the week.

It was in response to a question on whether they'd be bringing anyone new in. Fox said he wasn't sure, they were comfortable with the guys on the roster (mentioned JJ and Moreno), and that they were already familiar with the system. Follow up question was whether they'd prefer one guy take the lions share of McGahee's touches or do it by committe, to which Fox replied that they'd be doing it by committee all year and that in most games three guys have been used and the only difference next week is that instead of McGahee it will "more than likely" be Moreno. Didn't say who would start or who would get the most touches.

[sneakers]

Hillman and Moreno I think are going to get the bulk of the carries.

We knocked Moreno for fumbling but McGahee has been fumbling just as much. Moreno has shown flashes at times but he needs to do it every week. I would like to see him come back hungrier than ever. He has been rallying the team from the sidelines and has been a good teammate. Well here's his shot again...

Lance ball had some good carries in the 4th quarter, I think he will be used too, especially in pass protection

[slim]

Lance ball had some good carries in the 4th quarter, I think he will be used too, especially in pass protection

Ball will start and Hillman's role won't change much.

[G_Money]

As long as Ball doesn't soccer kick any more interceptions to the opposition. :tsk:

~G

[BroncoJoe]

Let's just thank God we're playing KC this week. It's like a preseason game in prep for the Ravens.

[tomjonesrocks]

More than likely to be inactive??? To dance behind the LOS??? Get injured???

...miss his blocks, fumble, celebrate inappropriately, go down instantly after initial contact...

[slim]

The KC game actually worries me.

See Jax v. Hou

[tomjonesrocks]

I think Manning should use less play action going forward. Contributed to a safety this week. The run's not going to keep many teams honest with this trifecta I am afraid.

Really disappointed in Hillman right now. Just too small and too easy to bring down.

[BroncoNut]

maybe they can break Maurice Clarett out of jail, lure him in with an unlimited supply of Grey Goose

Maurice Clarett is in jail? what about htat other fellow that was a running back? He had issues, forget his name thoguh. it think he might be in jail

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Head Coach John Fox on Monday announced that running back Willis McGahee suffered a ligament tear in his knee, but the injury will not require surgery.

“Obviously, (we’re) disappointed to lose a player of Willis’ caliber,” Fox said. “We’re disappointed for him.”

Though McGahee will not need surgery, Fox said he doesn’t have a timetable for a return other than that the running back will be “week-to-week.”

“Right now we’re not making a roster change as far as IR,” Fox said when asked whether McGahee could head to injured reserve with a designation to return. “He’s a fast healer. He’s a tough, competitive guy. A lot of times your veteran guys are that way. We wouldn’t at this point want to prolong it that far.”

http://blog.denverbroncos.com/denverbroncos/mcgahee-suffers-ligament-tear-not-headed-to-ir/

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Fox said the team has confidence in the running back stable currently on the team, from Hillman and Ball to Knowshon Moreno, who has been inactive since Week 3, and Jeremiah Johnson, who is currently on the practice squad but rushed for 77 yards and had 62 receiving yards with the team in 2011.

Fox said the team “may or may not” bring in free agent running backs to work out this week, and that those discussions won’t occur until later on Monday.

“Right now, we feel really good about the guys we have — they’re trained in our system,” Fox said. “I’ve said many, many times, it’s the next man up. It was yesterday and will be next Sunday. Who that’ll be? We’ll see how practice goes and what our active list will look like next Sunday.”

http://blog.denverbroncos.com/denverbroncos/mcgahee-suffers-ligament-tear-not-headed-to-ir/

[ikillz0mbies]

The depth at RB is what scares me (along with some others here too). Moreno is a good pass-catching back and Hillman makes a good scat-back. But where's the RB that pounds between the tackles to wear down those defenses? I know they probably won't find one off the street, but it would be great to see them pick one up in the draft. That's what makes McGahee dangerous. The fact that he can truck through defenders and go for a big run. That made defenses focus on him more that opened it up for the big play action pass/screens.

[ShaneFalco]

sucks, but he leads the league in fumbles. i would almost prefer hillman at this point.

[MOtorboat]

Tatum Bell.

Championship.

[MOtorboat]

Knowshon Moreno has 455 yards on 84 carries (5.4 ypc) and four touchdowns and 7 receptions for 112 yards and one touchdown in five games against the Chiefs.

Just saying.

[ikillz0mbies]

Knowshon Moreno has 455 yards on 84 carries (5.4 ypc) and four touchdowns and 7 receptions for 112 yards and one touchdown in five games against the Chiefs.

Just saying.

You're totally right. But the Chiefs have a good pass rushing defense and if Moreno is active, he needs to prove he can pick up the blitz and protect Manning.

[vettesplus]

hate to say it but this could be the end of mcgahees football days, i sure hope he can bounce back but his age may be a problem!!!

[Buff]

Knowshon Moreno has 455 yards on 84 carries (5.4 ypc) and four touchdowns and 7 receptions for 112 yards and one touchdown in five games against the Chiefs.

Just saying.

Everyone looks like an All Pro against the Chiefs.

Just saying.

[TXBRONC]

We're going to be fine guys. The running game will be good enough to get the job done.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Denver Broncos running back Willis McGahee has a torn medial collateral ligament in his right knee and will miss six to eight weeks.

McGahee also has a fracture in the bone in his lower right leg. He will be on crutches for about a month, and doctors have told him not to put any weight on his leg, according to a source. McGahee will not need surgery and he believes he can come back in four to six weeks, even though the team thinks it's a six- to eight-week injury.

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/51398/willis-mcgahee-has-torn-mcl

[Denver Native (Carol)]

from article:


McGahee also had become good this year at protecting Manning against blitzes, and was an improved receiver: His 26 catches for 221 yards marked his best receiving production since 2007.

Although Hillman had been the No. 2 back to McGahee, it's possible Ball or Moreno will start because of their blocking skills, which would keep Hillman in his role as the 1A speed complement.

"It's not set in stone I'm going to be the starting running back this week," Hillman said. "If it does happen it happens."

full article - http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_22027671/broncos-willis-mcgahee-out-6-8-weeks-mcl

[LTC Pain]

It will be Ball and Hillman platooning at RB. Moreno has fumble and pass protection issues. I wish they would call up JJ to the active roster and sign Oman to the PS. If McGahee stays on the active roster then eject Haney.

[jhildebrand]

I really like Xavier Omon in the preseason. If there is a way to get him here I would hope the team does it.

I am not a Knowshon fan, but I think the kid will shine. He has a chance here. I don't see this team losing too much and McGahee will have fresh legs once he is back and ready which could be a good thing in the playoffs.

[BORDERLINE]

I'm all for Moreno to get the call. Hillman is not ready and ball is mediocre at best. Heres Moreno chance to make it happen. Perfect audition for him. Make it happen Moreno!!!!

[Northman]

...miss his blocks, fumble, celebrate inappropriately, go down instantly after initial contact...

Act like he is a offensive lineman's fanny pack.

[Northman]

Knowshon Moreno has 455 yards on 84 carries (5.4 ypc) and four touchdowns and 7 receptions for 112 yards and one touchdown in five games against the Chiefs.

Just saying.


Guess he needs to steal Clinton's belt.

[Northman]

You're totally right. But the Chiefs have a good pass rushing defense and if Moreno is active, he needs to prove he can pick up the blitz and protect Manning.

I would be happy if he picked up a lane to run in.

[CrazyHorse]

LenDale White?

[Slick]

I don't think we can afford to roll with Knowshon and not sign anyone.

We need to sign a veteran pro running back. Of the list North posted I would consider Addai or Chester Taylor.

Knowshon, Ball and Hillman are all basically the same back.

These next 6 games are all about playoff positioning and are hard fought. A veteran player could pay dividends.

[TXBRONC]

I don't think we can afford to roll with Knowshon and not sign anyone.

We need to sign a veteran pro running back. Of the list North posted I would consider Addai or Chester Taylor.

Knowshon, Ball and Hillman are all basically the same back.

These next 6 games are all about playoff positioning and are hard fought. A veteran player could pay dividends.

Adam Schefter reported that McGahee will be out 4 to 6 weeks not 6 to 8 FWIW.

[CrazyHorse]

Laurence Maroney?

[Dapper Dan]

LenDale White?

Prolly diabeetus.....or AIDs... :noidea:

[Simple Jaded]

Maurice Clarett is in jail? what about htat other fellow that was a running back? He had issues, forget his name thoguh. it think he might be in jail
O.J Simpson?.......

[BroncoWave]

Why do people think this is such a huge loss? He hadn't really been THAT great this season and he will be back for the playoffs most likely. We'll be fine without him.

[MOtorboat]

Why do people think this is such a huge loss? He hadn't really been THAT great this season and he will be back for the playoffs most likely. We'll be fine without him.

The running game has been anemic when he wasn't in the game, while he has been the 11th best rusher in the NFL.

Not great, no, but it is absolutely a significant loss.

[MOtorboat]

Without McGahee the Broncos are averaging 36 yards.

[MOtorboat]

That's a solid 2.9 per carry.

Yeah. It's a big deal.

[BroncoWave]

If he gets back by the playoffs who cares? It's not going to cost us the division. It MAY cost us a first round bye, but we were a longshot for that in the first place.

[ShaneFalco]

Wish we drafted Doug Martin lol

[Dapper Dan]

Wish we drafted Doug Martin lol

We got Derek Wolfe and Omar Bolden instead, for what it's worth.

[Chef Zambini]

the critical issue is whoever plays RB, they need to be able to execute their BLOCJKING assignment!
thats why BELL will see more plays. he may not get the most touches, but he will be on the field to make sure PFM stays clean and upright !
use a F'n tight-end !
I had willis on my fantasy team, I may have to pick up hillman or maybe HUNTER if gore slips on a bar of soap !

[dogfish]

not like you could see this one coming. . . but, it's not like we had enough picks and resources to fill every hole in two years, and we all knew that going into the elway era. . . we did spend a fairly high pick on the position-- traded up, too-- but i think most of us have agreed all along that we're still a little thin there. . . the FO rolled the dice a little bit. . . RB is one of the easiest positions to fill/get production from unheralded guys-- fox has almost always had a running game, and manning makes any back's job considerably easier. . .

so they took a chance there, probably very deliberately. . . no surprise, they've gotten called on the carpet. . . it's during the easier half of our schedule, we have a guy that's won tons of games with little run support, and both the D and special teams are playing really well. . .



none of which makes me feel more comfortable with it, but that's why they make the big bucks. . .

i still stand by my immedaite post-draft conclusion-- we should have drafted doug martin, and then tried to trade up from our second for wolfe if we didn't think he'd still be there. . . john got too attached to osweiler, as far as i'm concerned-- maybe time will prove me wrong when brock kills it for a decade, and i certainly hope so. . . i still think we should have sold ALL the way out in the pursuit of an immediate title. . . fill that obvious hole at running back with an instant impact guy, a balanced back who can play three downs, and handle 20+ touches every week. . . a guy who can run inside and out, and still catch the ball and work in space. . . then you wait, and hope osweiler falls-- or suck it up and pay to trade up again, or go with another player from a pretty interesting QB class. . . JMO. . .

hopefully willis is back for the playoffs. . . . in the meanwhile, i'd probably cut someone, and sign JJ and omon. . .

[Canmore]

not like you could see this one coming. . . but, it's not like we had enough picks and resources to fill every hole in two years, and we all knew that going into the elway era. . . we did spend a fairly high pick on the position-- traded up, too-- but i think most of us have agreed all along that we're still a little thin there. . . the FO rolled the dice a little bit. . . RB is one of the easiest positions to fill/get production from unheralded guys-- fox has almost always had a running game, and manning makes any back's job considerably easier. . .

so they took a chance there, probably very deliberately. . . no surprise, they've gotten called on the carpet. . . it's during the easier half of our schedule, we have a guy that's won tons of games with little run support, and both the D and special teams are playing really well. . .



none of which makes me feel more comfortable with it, but that's why they make the big bucks. . .

i still stand by my immedaite post-draft conclusion-- we should have drafted doug martin, and then tried to trade up from our second for wolfe if we didn't think he'd still be there. . . john got too attached to osweiler, as far as i'm concerned-- maybe time will prove me wrong when brock kills it for a decade, and i certainly hope so. . . i still think we should have sold ALL the way out in the pursuit of an immediate title. . . fill that obvious hole at running back with an instant impact guy, a balanced back who can play three downs, and handle 20+ touches every week. . . a guy who can run inside and out, and still catch the ball and work in space. . . then you wait, and hope osweiler falls-- or suck it up and pay to trade up again, or go with another player from a pretty interesting QB class. . . JMO. . .

hopefully willis is back for the playoffs. . . . in the meanwhile, i'd probably cut someone, and sign JJ and omon. . .

Like your thinking and it certainly falls in line with mine. We only have Manning for so long. Was Oeweiler that great a prospect. I too would have liked to have seen a different direction on draft day. Bad luck.

[Northman]

No one is ever happy with a draft. lmao

We still needed to groom a QB for the future and yes you needed a decent prospect to do it with. As already pointed out, RB is the easiest to fill while QB is not.

[MOtorboat]

We got Derek Wolfe and Omar Bolden instead, for what it's worth.

Rather have Wolfe.

[ydave77]

No one is ever happy with a draft. lmao

We still needed to groom a QB for the future and yes you needed a decent prospect to do it with. As already pointed out, RB is the easiest to fill while QB is not.

They were hedging their bets with the Os pick. Nobody knew what PM would be this year, PM included. At draft time, from what we know, PM was still having difficulty in throwing the ball.
Elway and co would have been eviscerated if PM was a bust, we dumped him after one year (as the contract allows us too, again hedging our bets), and we didnt have a backup plan.

In hindsight, its a no brainer that Hamster would be the better pick, but at that point, I can't fault them.

[Slick]

Why do people think this is such a huge loss? He hadn't really been THAT great this season and he will be back for the playoffs most likely. We'll be fine without him.

None of the guys on the roster can consistently gain tough yards between the tackles.

We're talking about late November and December football here. It's a diffferent animal.

Also, do you really think ee'll see the same Willis 6 games from now.

[BroncoNut]

None of the guys on the roster can consistently gain tough yards between the tackles.

We're talking about late November and December football here. It's a diffferent animal.

Also, do you really think ee'll see the same Willis 6 games from now.


this is a short and intelligent post. I found it useful :salute:

[Jsteve01]

this is a short and intelligent post. I found it useful :salute:

contrast that with mo who is short and not useful. /sorry mo I couldn't resist.

[Jsteve01]

Rather have Wolfe.

I wanted him then and still like Martin.

[Dapper Dan]

. . RB is one of the easiest positions to fill/get production from unheralded guys--..

I agree.

[Ravage!!!]

Like your thinking and it certainly falls in line with mine. We only have Manning for so long. Was Oeweiler that great a prospect. I too would have liked to have seen a different direction on draft day. Bad luck.

Elway had questions just as everyone, not to mention, he HAD to have a plan IN CASE Manning could not recover, or got injured.


"Whats the plan if Manning can't come back?"
"Whats the plan if Manning re-injures that nerve?"
"Whats the plan if Manning can't go?"

I think Elway answered that question with the draft choice. IF Manning can't go, if he can't completely recover, or if he re-injures that nerve... the PLAN is to develop our own QB and move on. He drafted Os as a "plan B" option so that we weren't hanging high-n-dry, scrambling with NO plan whatsoever.

Before you say "we could have signed a veteran back-up for now".... what would be gained by that? Meaning, IF Manning goes down, we most likely are not going to be a play-off caliber team, and that would mean that Manning isn't going to be around for more than a season. Why not use that time to develop a QB rather than simply plug a temp in? As much as Elway was sure on how things were progressing with Manning's neck, I think he felt he HAD to have something put into place "IN CASE" things didn't work out.

Because of that, I absolutely think it was the right draft choice. If Manning doesn't get injured for the next 4 years and never misses a game... so what? We used a 2nd round pick on a QB that we could very well trade off for more.

[Dapper Dan]

If we don't get Oz, then my #6 jersey is still worthless. Good pick, IMO.

[BroncoNut]

I don't think we can afford to roll with Knowshon and not sign anyone.

We need to sign a veteran pro running back. Of the list North posted I would consider Addai or Chester Taylor.

Knowshon, Ball and Hillman are all basically the same back.

These next 6 games are all about playoff positioning and are hard fought. A veteran player could pay dividends.

one of the more intelligent and straightforward posts I've read today

[BroncoNut]

contrast that with mo who is short and not useful. /sorry mo I couldn't resist.

Mo is alright, but a bit vapid imo

[Dapper Dan]

@NFL_ATL: Report: Broncos won't add extra RB http://t.co/7ik7S4KI

[BroncoWave]

None of the guys on the roster can consistently gain tough yards between the tackles.

We're talking about late November and December football here. It's a diffferent animal.

Also, do you really think ee'll see the same Willis 6 games from now.

He's been an average to slightly above average back this year. Yes Hillman/Ball/Moreno is a downgrade, but I'm not exactly panicking. If anything maybe we'll fumble less now.

And honestly, it's a myth that you need a great running game in December and the playoffs. Neither the Pats or Giants had a very good running game last season. They did it through the air, which is where we excel.

[bcbronc]

He's been an average to slightly above average back this year. Yes Hillman/Ball/Moreno is a downgrade, but I'm not exactly panicking. If anything maybe we'll fumble less now.

And honestly, it's a myth that you need a great running game in December and the playoffs. Neither the Pats or Giants had a very good running game last season. They did it through the air, which is where we excel.

The giants?? U sure?

Besides we don't have a QB like thos....oh yeah PFM!!

[BroncoWave]

The giants?? U sure?

Besides we don't have a QB like thos....oh yeah PFM!!

Their top 2 RBs combined had 1200 rushing yards last season. Pretty sure they were in the bottom 2 or 3 in rushing last season.

[Ravage!!!]

Jeremiah Johnson??

[swaiy]

Jeremiah Johnson??

Just my theory:

I think they dont want to move JJ off the practice squad because he is at the end of the line in terms of how many games he can be active in and still go back to practice squad. I think its 6 or 8. Either way, I know one more game for him and no more practice squad. I believe he is developing nicely but if they add him to the roster to play, who do they cut? You cant put WM on the designated to return IR because its too late in the season.


That means 5 runningbacks on the roster and someone being cut to make room. I think JJ ends up on the active roster next year. Thats my theory.

TL;DR VERSION

They want to stash him until next year and have him on the 53

[BroncoWave]

We could stick Mo in at RB and still win at least 4 if not 5 of the last 6.

[Buff]

We could stick Mo in at RB and still win at least 4 if not 5 of the last 6.

MO hits the hole hard.

[Timmy!]

MO hits the hole hard.

Especially if it looks like a bagel.

[CoachChaz]

Their top 2 RBs combined had 1200 rushing yards last season. Pretty sure they were in the bottom 2 or 3 in rushing last season.

Dead last if I'm not mistaken

[Northman]

Yea, i was surprised. Giants were dead last in the regular season last year. But in the postseason they were middle of the pack but with so few games really hard to judge. Patriots were around 20th in the regular season and middle of the pack in the postseason.

[Slick]

Fair enough guys. I think we're making a mistake. I don't know if I trust our o line enough to protect Manning when he's throwing 40 to 50 times a game because neither of those guys can gain an inch on the ground.

I guess we'll see because it looks like we're rolling with what we have.

[TXBRONC]

We could stick Mo in at RB and still win at least 4 if not 5 of the last 6.

Manning is one of the best quarterbacks to ever play the game but asking him win with MO as runningback is only doable in an alternate universe.

[Northman]

The problem is Manning would probably mistake MO for the football. It would be complete chaos in the backfield as everytime MO would run the team would think he was a fumble.

[BroncoNut]

The problem is Manning would probably mistake MO for the football. It would be complete chaos in the backfield as everytime MO would run the team would think he was a fumble.

that would be kinda funny though