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Northman
10-16-2012, 06:43 AM
It was the Chargers afterall.

But furthermore, im still hugely concerned about all the turnovers we have. We just cant keep flirting with disaster with all the turnovers and expect to win down the stretch. Gutsy comeback but this team needs to have more discipline when it comes to securing the ball. Imagine if we hadnt turn the ball over as much in our losses? We are so close to being something really special, just need to get that shit nipped in a bud.

shank
10-16-2012, 06:52 AM
yep.

Tned
10-16-2012, 07:05 AM
It was the Chargers afterall.

But furthermore, im still hugely concerned about all the turnovers we have. We just cant keep flirting with disaster with all the turnovers and expect to win down the stretch. Gutsy comeback but this team needs to have more discipline when it comes to securing the ball. Imagine if we hadnt turn the ball over as much in our losses? We are so close to being something really special, just need to get that shit nipped in a bud.

It's why I'm so encourage that if they hand close in the West (and ultimately just win the West), that they could make some noise in the playoffs. While there have been some weaknesses shown on defense, especially in the first half, by and large, the biggest issue has been the turnovers and stalled drives in the first half. If you take away all the fumbles/turnovers and maybe call the game a little more aggressively in the first half, the team could start playing with leads, which will greatly help the defense, allowing the pass rush to be more effective earlier in the game (not to mention leaving the defense more rested).

MileHighCrew
10-16-2012, 08:00 AM
North this game was the turning point. The Broncos are going to be on fire, good times to come!!!

vandammage13
10-16-2012, 08:23 AM
It was good to get the W, but this team is going nowhere fast if it doesn't get the TO issues settled.

Getting down 20+ points 4 out of 5 games doesn't bode well. Good teams won't let us come back from those sort of deficits.

Luckily, the defense was playing lights out and shut down Phyllis...I don't think the Dolts put together more than one drive that didn't come out of good field position from a TO.

Northman
10-16-2012, 08:23 AM
North this game was the turning point. The Broncos are going to be on fire, good times to come!!!


Its interesting because this morning i was thinking back to 2005 when we played Bree's and the Dolts and trailed 14-3 at home before Bailey picked him off for a TD. We were 1-1 at that point after coming off a complete smackdown by the Phins. Not nearly the same as this was a much larger deficit but we went to have a 13-3 record that year and went deep in the playoffs before losing to Pitt. I dont know, i agree with you that this could be the defining moment of our year.

camdisco24
10-16-2012, 08:31 AM
I guarantee the coaching staff knows all of this and will make ball security a top priority during the bye week. If we eliminate turnovers this is a heck of a team.

Our defense has only looked bad when they are down by a ton and on the field WAY too much.

EDIT: AND on third down... we need some serious work there still.

BroncoJoe
10-16-2012, 08:33 AM
No buts about it. Other than the special teams fiasco and the Manning pick (WR and he on wrong page), we were in this game. Hell, the Chargers offense really only scored 7 points.

I had a feeling the game was far from over, even at the half.

vandammage13
10-16-2012, 08:36 AM
Its interesting because this morning i was thinking back to 2005 when we played Bree's and the Dolts and trailed 14-3 at home before Bailey picked him off for a TD. We were 1-1 at that point after coming off a complete smackdown by the Phins. Not nearly the same as this was a much larger deficit but we went to have a 13-3 record that year and went deep in the playoffs before losing to Pitt. I dont know, i agree with you that this could be the defining moment of our year.

Hope it does turn it around...Our defense seemed to be having their way last night.

As long as we don't keep turning it over, we can beat anybody...but so far we haven't been very good at that.

I will say I was wrong about Manning though...Going in to this year I didn't think he'd be the same player...I still don't think he's quite the same but he's still way more than good enough to win.

Eliminate TO's and Decker tripping over the paint on the field and we have a chance to make some noise.

TXBRONC
10-16-2012, 08:39 AM
It was the Chargers afterall.

But furthermore, im still hugely concerned about all the turnovers we have. We just cant keep flirting with disaster with all the turnovers and expect to win down the stretch. Gutsy comeback but this team needs to have more discipline when it comes to securing the ball. Imagine if we hadnt turn the ball over as much in our losses? We are so close to being something really special, just need to get that shit nipped in a bud.

I mentiond something very similar in Game Day thread. The Broncos need to put four quarters of consistent football together instead of just one or two.

Northman
10-16-2012, 08:39 AM
Hope it does turn it around...Our defense seemed to be having their way last night.

As long as we don't keep turning it over, we can beat anybody...but so far we haven't been very good at that.

I will say I was wrong about Manning though...Going in to this year I didn't think he'd be the same player...I still don't think he's quite the same but he's still way more than good enough to win.

Eliminate TO's and Decker tripping over the paint on the field and we have a chance to make some noise.


I dont think Manning will ever be the same as he was when he was a spring chicken. But he is showing that he has stuff left in the tank. My only concern from here on out is how it goes in bad weather. He was used to playing in a dome so he will be subject to a lot more of the elements being in Denver. But, im confident we are getting better as we go along.

vandammage13
10-16-2012, 08:44 AM
I dont think Manning will ever be the same as he was when he was a spring chicken. But he is showing that he has stuff left in the tank. My only concern from here on out is how it goes in bad weather. He was used to playing in a dome so he will be subject to a lot more of the elements being in Denver. But, im confident we are getting better as we go along.

Good point...come December I think we'll need to be better at running the ball than we have been thus far.

We could get lucky with the weather though...I noticed on the schedule that the only cold weather road game in December is against Baltimore. The only other late season road game is in a warm weather city (Oakland)...December home games are against jobber teams (Tampa, KC, and Cleveland). Schedule plays out well for us late.

Ravage!!!
10-16-2012, 08:48 AM
Consistancy and not turning the ball over is ALWAYS ALWAYS the key to success. Its what separates the really good teams from the just so-so teams. We are just "that" close to really making a splash in the AFC. Turnovers have been the bad thing, for sure.

But, there is good luck and there is "bad" luck. DT dropping the ball twice, while running for a huge TD, is bad luck. I honestly don't expect that to happen again with him. So that's two turnover "problems" that I personally believe is solved. Turning the ball over on back-to-back kicks...is somethign we'll probably never see again.

We are going to turn the ball over again, that's a given. But if we can eliminate the "not normal" things happening time and again (like 4 INTs in a quarter and just dropping the ball while running for TDs)...then that will go a VERY long way.

Ravage!!!
10-16-2012, 08:50 AM
I dont think Manning will ever be the same as he was when he was a spring chicken. But he is showing that he has stuff left in the tank. My only concern from here on out is how it goes in bad weather. He was used to playing in a dome so he will be subject to a lot more of the elements being in Denver. But, im confident we are getting better as we go along.

I think Manning looks as good as he was in 2010, easy.

The difference with the outdoor play for Manning now, is that he's actually practicing outside all the time. Unlike in INdy, where they held practices inside, he's going to at least be getting used to outdoor play on a regular basis. I think that could make a huge difference.

CoachChaz
10-16-2012, 08:59 AM
It's my new tag line.


Coaching, coaching, coaching

Buff
10-16-2012, 09:44 AM
yep.

I concur.

blamkin86
10-16-2012, 09:49 AM
We just cant keep flirting with disaster with all the turnovers and expect to win down the stretch. Gutsy comeback but this team needs to have more discipline when it comes to securing the ball. Imagine if we hadnt turn the ball over as much in our losses? We are so close to being something really special, just need to get that shit nipped in a bud.

Was anyone else screaming at Harris to stop with the theatrics and get into the end zone?

Don't want to come down too hard on them - Decker made up for his stumble and most of the halftime deficit was on special teams.

BroncoNut
10-16-2012, 10:06 AM
It was the Chargers afterall.

But furthermore, im still hugely concerned about all the turnovers we have. We just cant keep flirting with disaster with all the turnovers and expect to win down the stretch. Gutsy comeback but this team needs to have more discipline when it comes to securing the ball. Imagine if we hadnt turn the ball over as much in our losses? We are so close to being something really special, just need to get that shit nipped in a bud.

I agree with all of this, but not that we are particularly close to being anything special. This time has a ways to go

weazel
10-16-2012, 10:09 AM
I dont understand all the elation this morning... all I seen was a team implode. The Chargers came out in the second half throwing the ball when they didnt have to. They could have easily ran out the game but decided to try and rub it in by throwing the ball. They were getting 5 - 9 yard chunks on each run and consistently burning us on screen passes, if they would have continued they would have won.

The Chargers lost that game more than the Broncos won it, we're lucky we play in the worst division in the NFL. Denver turns the ball over way too much to win games against good teams, 95% of the other teams would have buried us. I just can't pretend Denver is good because we beat a team that killed itself. I just wish they would have tried to pick up some players to help Manning instead of trying to win with a roster half full of practice squad players.

BroncoNut
10-16-2012, 10:14 AM
I dont understand all the elation this morning... all I seen was a team implode. The Chargers came out in the second half throwing the ball when they didnt have to. They could have easily ran out the game but decided to try and rub it in by throwing the ball. They were getting 5 - 9 yard chunks on each run and consistently burning us on screen passes, if they would have continued they would have won.

The Chargers lost that game more than the Broncos won it, we're lucky we play in the worst division in the NFL. Denver turns the ball over way too much to win games against good teams, 95% of the other teams would have buried us. I just can't pretend Denver is good because we beat a team that killed itself. I just wish they would have tried to pick up some players to help Manning instead of trying to win with a roster half full of practice squad players.

I agree that the Chargers imploded, but I'm not so sure it's sound to say the broncos didn't win that game. Peyton and the D stepped up,.. any opportunities afforded by the losing team were successfully exploited by Denver

CoachChaz
10-16-2012, 10:20 AM
I dont understand all the elation this morning... all I seen was a team implode. The Chargers came out in the second half throwing the ball when they didnt have to. They could have easily ran out the game but decided to try and rub it in by throwing the ball. They were getting 5 - 9 yard chunks on each run and consistently burning us on screen passes, if they would have continued they would have won.

The Chargers lost that game more than the Broncos won it, we're lucky we play in the worst division in the NFL. Denver turns the ball over way too much to win games against good teams, 95% of the other teams would have buried us. I just can't pretend Denver is good because we beat a team that killed itself. I just wish they would have tried to pick up some players to help Manning instead of trying to win with a roster half full of practice squad players.

I'll half way agree with this. I dont think our "other" players are really any worse than those on other teams. I think the glaring difference is in the discipline of the team. I love Fox and Co. as cheerleaders and motivators, but as coaches...they lack. When I watch this team, I see no personal discipline and most importantly, I see no repercussion for lazy play. Maybe the CBA is to blame, maybe the inability to practice more than 3 times a year is to blame. Who knows. But I do miss the days when a player would be embarrassed to walk back to the sideline after a dumb mistake or when a coach would rip a player a new ass for making a stupid error.

Until this team focuses on not making the dumb mistakes, they are a paper lion. We need all aspects of the team to play as one and eliminate the gaffes each week. Until that happens...who knows where this team goes.

Northman
10-16-2012, 10:23 AM
I dont understand all the elation this morning... all I seen was a team implode. The Chargers came out in the second half throwing the ball when they didnt have to. They could have easily ran out the game but decided to try and rub it in by throwing the ball. They were getting 5 - 9 yard chunks on each run and consistently burning us on screen passes, if they would have continued they would have won.

The Chargers lost that game more than the Broncos won it, we're lucky we play in the worst division in the NFL. Denver turns the ball over way too much to win games against good teams, 95% of the other teams would have buried us. I just can't pretend Denver is good because we beat a team that killed itself. I just wish they would have tried to pick up some players to help Manning instead of trying to win with a roster half full of practice squad players.


Ok debbie downer.

Jk

But no. Anytime Denver wins im happy, its far better than coming into work disgruntled.

But the other thing is, if SD imploded than the same can be said about us in Atlanta imploding before we even got started. Denver still has work to do but lets face it, as mediocre as SD is and as bad as Turner is Denver STILL had to take advantage of that. They still had to create the turnovers and make something happen. I mean, the argument could easily be said that in all our losses Denver gave them away with their own turnovers. If/had we secured the ball better who knows how those other games may have played out. Too me, judging by what ive seen this year there is no clear cut dominate team out there. GB waxed the Texans, Atlanta almost lost to a team that we trampled, and NE is right with us at 3-3. Any given Sunday mate.

Northman
10-16-2012, 10:23 AM
I agree that the Chargers imploded, but I'm not so sure it's sound to say the broncos didn't win that game. Peyton and the D stepped up,.. any opportunities afforded by the losing team were successfully exploited by Denver

Exactly.

Buff
10-16-2012, 10:36 AM
I dont understand all the elation this morning... all I seen was a team implode. The Chargers came out in the second half throwing the ball when they didnt have to. They could have easily ran out the game but decided to try and rub it in by throwing the ball. They were getting 5 - 9 yard chunks on each run and consistently burning us on screen passes, if they would have continued they would have won.

The Chargers lost that game more than the Broncos won it, we're lucky we play in the worst division in the NFL. Denver turns the ball over way too much to win games against good teams, 95% of the other teams would have buried us. I just can't pretend Denver is good because we beat a team that killed itself. I just wish they would have tried to pick up some players to help Manning instead of trying to win with a roster half full of practice squad players.

If you're going to kill the team for melting down in the first half, you have to give them credit for dominating SD in every phase in the 2nd half. Yes, Philip Rivers helped us out with some bonehead mistakes, but it's not like all of their mistakes were unforced.

Furthermore, of course 95% of teams would bury us after going down 24-0, but if you can't enjoy a 24 point comeback against a division rival then I don't know why you even bother watching games.

BroncoStud
10-16-2012, 10:53 AM
Its interesting because this morning i was thinking back to 2005 when we played Bree's and the Dolts and trailed 14-3 at home before Bailey picked him off for a TD. We were 1-1 at that point after coming off a complete smackdown by the Phins. Not nearly the same as this was a much larger deficit but we went to have a 13-3 record that year and went deep in the playoffs before losing to Pitt. I dont know, i agree with you that this could be the defining moment of our year.

Hope it does turn it around...Our defense seemed to be having their way last night.

As long as we don't keep turning it over, we can beat anybody...but so far we haven't been very good at that.

I will say I was wrong about Manning though...Going in to this year I didn't think he'd be the same player...I still don't think he's quite the same but he's still way more than good enough to win.

Eliminate TO's and Decker tripping over the paint on the field and we have a chance to make some noise.

I think Manning is as good as ever. The real issue with this team are the bumbling idiots around him.

blamkin86
10-16-2012, 11:38 AM
I dont understand all the elation this morning... all I seen was a team implode. The Chargers came out in the second half throwing the ball when they didnt have to. They could have easily ran out the game but decided to try and rub it in by throwing the ball. They were getting 5 - 9 yard chunks on each run and consistently burning us on screen passes, if they would have continued they would have won.

The Chargers lost that game more than the Broncos won it, we're lucky we play in the worst division in the NFL. Denver turns the ball over way too much to win games against good teams, 95% of the other teams would have buried us. I just can't pretend Denver is good because we beat a team that killed itself. I just wish they would have tried to pick up some players to help Manning instead of trying to win with a roster half full of practice squad players.

I just don't get this line of reasoning.

They played well in the first half and we had a ton of mistakes. Decker doesn't go down, the score is 17-7 at the half - even with the two muffed punts.

The second half we played fantastic. Dumerville caused the fumble, stokely had an incredible catch to put us ahead.

In short, we played abso-f'n-lutely fantastic in the second half. Our mistakes cost us in the first half a lot more than SD was dominant.

NightTerror218
10-16-2012, 11:40 AM
It's why I'm so encourage that if they hand close in the West (and ultimately just win the West), that they could make some noise in the playoffs. While there have been some weaknesses shown on defense, especially in the first half, by and large, the biggest issue has been the turnovers and stalled drives in the first half. If you take away all the fumbles/turnovers and maybe call the game a little more aggressively in the first half, the team could start playing with leads, which will greatly help the defense, allowing the pass rush to be more effective earlier in the game (not to mention leaving the defense more rested).

my only thing is that the OC is McCoy. When have we ever come out firing and aggressive on offense. His entire time here seems to be go vanilla and change at half.

BroncoJoe
10-16-2012, 11:44 AM
San Diego didn't do shit in the first half. The fact that they were up 24-0 was due exclusively to our mistakes. Laughable at best to say they imploded. Their offense basically scored 7 points!

Ravage!!!
10-16-2012, 12:11 PM
I just don't get this line of reasoning.

They played well in the first half and we had a ton of mistakes. Decker doesn't go down, the score is 17-7 at the half - even with the two muffed punts.

The second half we played fantastic. Dumerville caused the fumble, stokely had an incredible catch to put us ahead.

In short, we played abso-f'n-lutely fantastic in the second half. Our mistakes cost us in the first half a lot more than SD was dominant.


San Diego didn't do shit in the first half. The fact that they were up 24-0 was due exclusively to our mistakes. Laughable at best to say they imploded. Their offense basically scored 7 points!

This is more of the facts. SD didn't exactly do anything to us the entire game. Their biggest plays on offense were us dropping the ball inside our own redzone, and even then they couldn't move the ball well. They had ONE offensive drive all game long. Not exactly a team that "imploded" as much as a team that was dominated the entire game and was GIVEN points. We got 17 points off turnovers, they got 17 points off turnovers, how is it THEIR turn overs are "imploding" while ours are simply accepted??

No, I thought we would win that game 31-17 going in. After the game, I see that we are just a MUCH better team than they are. Just as I thought we were.

BroncoNut
10-16-2012, 12:15 PM
San Diego didn't do shit in the first half. The fact that they were up 24-0 was due exclusively to our mistakes. Laughable at best to say they imploded. Their offense basically scored 7 points!

what? in the first half they didn't implode, but in the 2nd they certainly did who said sd imploded in the 1st half? am I missing something here?

blamkin86
10-16-2012, 12:15 PM
They had ONE offensive drive all game long

That's really the only stat about SD you need to remember about this game.

Day1BroncoFan
10-16-2012, 12:16 PM
I'll half way agree with this. I dont think our "other" players are really any worse than those on other teams. I think the glaring difference is in the discipline of the team. I love Fox and Co. as cheerleaders and motivators, but as coaches...they lack. When I watch this team, I see no personal discipline and most importantly, I see no repercussion for lazy play. Maybe the CBA is to blame, maybe the inability to practice more than 3 times a year is to blame. Who knows. But I do miss the days when a player would be embarrassed to walk back to the sideline after a dumb mistake or when a coach would rip a player a new ass for making a stupid error.

Until this team focuses on not making the dumb mistakes, they are a paper lion. We need all aspects of the team to play as one and eliminate the gaffes each week. Until that happens...who knows where this team goes.

I pretty much agree with this. Stupid mistakes are a sign of an undisiplined team. Call how ever anyone wants but this kind of play will not go into the playoffs very far if at all.

I love the win and the comeback but still, it needs to start in the first quarter not the second half.

CoachChaz
10-16-2012, 12:17 PM
That's really the only stat about SD you need to remember about this game.

Fair, but I think they are more minor to the decision. Regardless of where the sun or wind is, both teams will have to deal with the same elements equally. Only real advantage would be dealing with them less in the 4th quarter.

NightTerror218
10-16-2012, 12:18 PM
Manning will get all the credit for the come back.

Defense won this game. Offense and special teams had several mistakes and miscues in the 1st half. But destroyed the Chargers in the 2nd half. 5 turnovers in 2nd half along with 2 defensive TDs. That is what won the game.

blamkin86
10-16-2012, 12:18 PM
in the 2nd they certainly did

Are you saying, a team that has one drive for a score in the first half, and no drives in the second half for scores- that's imploding?

BroncoJoe
10-16-2012, 12:19 PM
what? in the first half they didn't implode, but in the 2nd they certainly did who said sd imploded in the 1st half? am I missing something here?

As usual, you're missing something alright....

Read weazel's post, numbnuts.

BroncoNut
10-16-2012, 12:22 PM
I guarantee the coaching staff knows all of this and will make ball security a top priority during the bye week. If we eliminate turnovers this is a heck of a team.

Our defense has only looked bad when they are down by a ton and on the field WAY too much.

EDIT: AND on third down... we need some serious work there still.

i was so nervous about McGahee last night towards the end. He looked sluggish as hell in the beginning. Hillman is a nice change of pace back at this time. He needs to become a compliment to Macgahee who just is not an every down back.

BroncoNut
10-16-2012, 12:24 PM
As usual, you're missing something alright....

Read weazel's post, numbnuts.

I did. I see your point, but to say Denver wasn't beginning to fall apart, or implode in the first half is completely asinine, shit for brains

BroncoNut
10-16-2012, 12:26 PM
Are you saying, a team that has one drive for a score in the first half, and no drives in the second half for scores- that's imploding?

imploding is falling apart. to fall in on oneself. the opposite of exploding. I think yoiu are describing sandiego and yes, that would be imploding. They imploded in the 2nd half. Weazel does have a case that San Diego started shitting themselves.

blamkin86
10-16-2012, 12:26 PM
I think most of us agree Denver didn't look very good in the first half.

The point of this post was that SD had us covered, then imploded, thus we won.

I disagree. I think we played fantastic in the second half.

BroncoNut
10-16-2012, 12:31 PM
I think most of us agree Denver didn't look very good in the first half.

The point of this post was that SD had us covered, then imploded, thus we won.

I disagree. I think we played fantastic in the second half.

are you responding to my post on imploding?

blamkin86
10-16-2012, 12:32 PM
Mainly the original post.

Ravage!!!
10-16-2012, 12:34 PM
I don't think SD "imploded" as much as we simply stopped giving them the ball for scores. They didn't give US any more points from turnovers than we 'gave' them.

The defense has looked good all year long. Glad they had a game that gives them the credit, but the offense in the second half was just as impressive.

BroncoNut
10-16-2012, 12:49 PM
I don't think SD "imploded" as much as we simply stopped giving them the ball for scores. They didn't give US any more points from turnovers than we 'gave' them.

The defense has looked good all year long. Glad they had a game that gives them the credit, but the offense in the second half was just as impressive.

I guess I dont' know what imploding means.
The Chargers were moving the ball against a worn down Denver D in the 2nd quarter. Thank goodness they opted to receive with the coin toss win, because that first drive to start the 2nd was really needed. guess we can't know for sure, but without that offensive performance to begin the 2nd half, I thik that the Chargers could have carried the momentum they were clearly gaining towards the end of the 2nd into the 3rd.

Sometimes I wonder if I'm the real football genius here and you all don't have much clue. Swear to God I do

weazel
10-16-2012, 01:06 PM
This is more of the facts. SD didn't exactly do anything to us the entire game. Their biggest plays on offense were us dropping the ball inside our own redzone, and even then they couldn't move the ball well. They had ONE offensive drive all game long. Not exactly a team that "imploded" as much as a team that was dominated the entire game and was GIVEN points. We got 17 points off turnovers, they got 17 points off turnovers, how is it THEIR turn overs are "imploding" while ours are simply accepted??

No, I thought we would win that game 31-17 going in. After the game, I see that we are just a MUCH better team than they are. Just as I thought we were.

thats the point lol

San Diego didnt do anything well and were still up 24-0 at half... your using that as proof that this team is good? A team plays like shit and is beating Denver 24-0 at half, what thought process do you go through to make yourself think that makes Denver a good team?

ForgettingBrandonMarshall
10-16-2012, 01:06 PM
The defense has looked good all year long. Glad they had a game that gives them the credit, but the offense in the second half was just as impressive.

I must have missed the parts of the New England and Houston games where the defense looked good.

The defense looked good in this game in that they pressured the QB with the lead, forced turnovers, and slightly improved in 3rd down situations. However, we still cannot stop the run, cover a TE, or stay accountable throughout the entire game.

Northman
10-16-2012, 01:11 PM
There really is no imploding, just getting mentally out of sync. I stated it in another thread that throughout a course of a game there are many variables to how it will go. In the first half Denver kept self destructing with bad turnovers. Look at Decker falling down, its just bad luck there. In the second half, Denver scores first and then there is a turnover which starts to turn the tide and get the team to believe they can come back. From there Denver continued to get more confidence while SD started to lose theirs.

BroncoNut
10-16-2012, 01:13 PM
There really is no imploding, just getting mentally out of sync. I stated it in another thread that throughout a course of a game there are many variables to how it will go. In the first half Denver kept self destructing with bad turnovers. Look at Decker falling down, its just bad luck there. In the second half, Denver scores first and then there is a turnover which starts to turn the tide and get the team to believe they can come back. From there Denver continued to get more confidence while SD started to lose theirs.

football games remind me alot of boxing matches. alot of times it's whoever gets into the other person's head first and stays in there the longest.

slim
10-16-2012, 01:19 PM
I dont understand all the elation this morning... all I seen was a team implode. The Chargers came out in the second half throwing the ball when they didnt have to. They could have easily ran out the game but decided to try and rub it in by throwing the ball. They were getting 5 - 9 yard chunks on each run and consistently burning us on screen passes, if they would have continued they would have won.

The Chargers lost that game more than the Broncos won it, we're lucky we play in the worst division in the NFL. Denver turns the ball over way too much to win games against good teams, 95% of the other teams would have buried us. I just can't pretend Denver is good because we beat a team that killed itself. I just wish they would have tried to pick up some players to help Manning instead of trying to win with a roster half full of practice squad players.

I agree that Denver has a long way to go to be a legit contender, but what you say about their running game and screen game is wrong. Mathews averaged less than 3.5 YPC (not the 5-9 you claim) and the defense figured out the screen game after the first few screens.

NightTerror218
10-16-2012, 01:39 PM
thats the point lol

San Diego didnt do anything well and were still up 24-0 at half... your using that as proof that this team is good? A team plays like shit and is beating Denver 24-0 at half, what thought process do you go through to make yourself think that makes Denver a good team?

turnovers can make a world of difference in a game. Make a bad team look better.

NightTerror218
10-16-2012, 01:40 PM
I think Mays not on the field made a world of change

slim
10-16-2012, 01:48 PM
I think Mays not on the field made a world of change

Having DB's on the field that can actually catch the ball helped some too.

NightTerror218
10-16-2012, 01:53 PM
Having DB's on the field that can actually catch the ball helped some too.

Well I learned that the MLB can play coverage too besides trying to blow people up.....who woulda thunk

Ravage!!!
10-16-2012, 02:10 PM
I must have missed the parts of the New England and Houston games where the defense looked good.

The defense looked good in this game in that they pressured the QB with the lead, forced turnovers, and slightly improved in 3rd down situations. However, we still cannot stop the run, cover a TE, or stay accountable throughout the entire game.


Where did you see that we couldn't cover the TE or be accountable throughout this game at ALLL??? Where in this game did the defense let us down? Where did you see that we couldn't stop the run??

The ONLY game this year where our defense didn't look good as the NE game, I'll give you that. Houston is one of the top teams in the NFL, and we let go of two LONG pass plays (both covered by the same guy that was then benched)....other than that, they didn't run all over us. I think you are off on this.

ForgettingBrandonMarshall
10-16-2012, 03:42 PM
Where did you see that we couldn't cover the TE or be accountable throughout this game at ALLL??? Where in this game did the defense let us down? Where did you see that we couldn't stop the run??

The ONLY game this year where our defense didn't look good as the NE game, I'll give you that. Houston is one of the top teams in the NFL, and we let go of two LONG pass plays (both covered by the same guy that was then benched)....other than that, they didn't run all over us. I think you are off on this.

I watched Ryan Matthews get 6-8 yard chunks all night long. I saw us try to use two safeties, Adams and Leonard, to try and cover a TE. In case you did not notice, that TE scored on us twice. We have let a TE score in 4 of our 6 games.

I said stay accountable throughout the entire game, not that we weren't accountable at all. I want consistency, not dig a giant hole and try to come back every game. Who would have thought that 4 out of our 6 games we would be down by 20+ entering halftime? That is not all on the defense, but some of it is. So your point earlier about the defense playing great all year is pre-mature. They've played inconsistent.

Houston ran for 152 yards, Foster accumulating 105 of those yards averaging over 4 yards a carry. We gave up 252 rushing yards to NE. Our run defense ranks 20th in the league at 150 yards/game. Is that stopping the run?

I admitted that the D looked good in the second half with the turnovers and getting to the QB. I admit that our special teams and offense did not help them out in the first half (I love stressing ball security all week and then fumbling twice within the first 7 minutes of the game). I just disagree that our D has looked great all year (6 games).

I'm not trying to be a Debbie Downer. This was a statement game. Hey, Dolts, we are going to spot you 24 points and then grab your throat in the second half and not let go ON YOUR HOME FIELD. Our schedule looks easier and this team proved that they can win from behind on the road. Keep it in perspective though. There is still A LOT to work on.

weazel
10-16-2012, 03:45 PM
Okay I will just agree with all of you then, two bad teams playing turnover ball makes Denver awesome... start engraving the trophy!! :rolleyes:

What you saw was a team get off to a quick start and take over the game because the other team shit its pants and fumbles the game away... then the second half, the other team shit its pants and threw the game away... both teams suck and only one has the chance to make the playoffs and lose by a large margin to a better team. Yay!!!! now I see why everyone is slobbering all over each other today!!

Buff
10-16-2012, 03:49 PM
Okay I will just agree with all of you then, two bad teams playing turnover ball makes Denver awesome... start engraving the trophy!! :rolleyes:

What you saw was a team get off to a quick start and take over the game because the other team shit its pants and fumbles the game away... then the second half, the other team shit its pants and threw the game away... both teams suck and only one has the chance to make the playoffs and lose by a large margin to a better team.

I am arguably the most miserable person on the planet - but no matter how ugly, or by what means, that 24 point comeback made for a great night. If you are so singularly focused on winning a super bowl, then you are going to be miserable most seasons... That's my only point. The team is obviously full of holes, but for one day I'm willing to bask in the glow of a divisional win... Which, oh by the way, happened to be the greatest comeback in MNF history.

Day1BroncoFan
10-16-2012, 03:51 PM
I'm happier than tom brady in a gay bar about the comeback. The first half still happened and that is what worries me about this team. When they put together 4 quarters of consistent football in the same game more than once in a row I'll be much happier.

weazel
10-16-2012, 03:52 PM
I am arguably the most miserable person on the planet - but no matter how ugly, or by what means, that 24 point comeback made for a great night. If you are so singularly focused on winning a super bowl, then you are going to be miserable most seasons... That's my only point. The team is obviously full of holes, but for one day I'm willing to bask in the glow of a divisional win... Which, oh by the way, happened to be the greatest comeback in MNF history.

The comeback was awesome, my buddy and I were going crazy watching the second half! ...Im just in a shitty mood today.

slim
10-16-2012, 03:54 PM
I'm happier than tom brady in a gay bar...

Oh man, this would be a perfect Geico commercial.

Day1BroncoFan
10-16-2012, 03:56 PM
Oh man, this would be a perfect Geico commercial.

exactly

CoachChaz
10-16-2012, 03:57 PM
Good news is...we have Graham in 2 weeks and Gates again in week 11 and not much else as far as TE threats.

Bad news is...we wont get much practice at getting better there and will be exposed in the playoffs

ForgettingBrandonMarshall
10-16-2012, 04:12 PM
Good news is...we have Graham in 2 weeks and Gates again in week 11 and not much else as far as TE threats.

Bad news is...we wont get much practice at getting better there and will be exposed in the playoffs

We also have Olsen and Pitta for the Panthers and Ravens, respectively. Olsen is second on the team in receiving. Pitta looked good earlier in the year and has a couple scores. I added these two because I'm not encouraged at all by our inability to cover TEs.

Simple Jaded
10-16-2012, 10:21 PM
SD will be there to 'til the very end, by no means are they out of it. Ya'll make it sound like Denver just beat the '08 Detroit Lions.......

Dzone
10-16-2012, 11:40 PM
It will be a cake walk thru the AFC west this year. We should end up 13-3 and get new england at home in the afc championship. :salute:

TXBRONC
10-17-2012, 08:48 AM
I dont understand all the elation this morning... all I seen was a team implode. The Chargers came out in the second half throwing the ball when they didnt have to. They could have easily ran out the game but decided to try and rub it in by throwing the ball. They were getting 5 - 9 yard chunks on each run and consistently burning us on screen passes, if they would have continued they would have won.

The Chargers lost that game more than the Broncos won it, we're lucky we play in the worst division in the NFL. Denver turns the ball over way too much to win games against good teams, 95% of the other teams would have buried us. I just can't pretend Denver is good because we beat a team that killed itself. I just wish they would have tried to pick up some players to help Manning instead of trying to win with a roster half full of practice squad players.

Like some others who have commented that is that Chargers lost rather than the Broncos winning it. I disagree that could have just ran ball and ate up the clock. As a team they only averaged 3.3 yards per carry. Individually Matthews was 3.4 y.p.c. So they didn't have a lot of success running the ball. In the first half the Chargers were having a lot success with screen passes in the second half it was totally different story. Vickerson snuffed out at least two attempts as screens in the second half.

Is this team ready to compete for a Super Bowl? As much as love the Broncos they don't look like a Super Bowl caliber team right now maybe by end of the year if they clean up self inflicted wounds they will a better team. Even if they're not ready to compete for the Super Bowl they still have enough good player to compete for the division.

CoachChaz
10-17-2012, 09:03 AM
We also have Olsen and Pitta for the Panthers and Ravens, respectively. Olsen is second on the team in receiving. Pitta looked good earlier in the year and has a couple scores. I added these two because I'm not encouraged at all by our inability to cover TEs.

Second in receiving on the Panthers. Is that the same as leading the Jets in touchdown passes? Pitta is solid, but like Olsen...not in the Gonzalez, Gates, Gronk, Graham crowd.

Just realized we need a TE with a last name that starts with a G. Other than Virgil obviously

TXBRONC
10-17-2012, 09:13 AM
I would like where some of you guys are getting the idea that Denver can't stop the run? The Texans and the Patriots are the only teams that beaten up on Denver using the running game.

Ravage!!!
10-17-2012, 09:16 AM
I would like where some of you guys are getting the idea that Denver can't stop the run? The Texans and the Patriots are the only teams that beaten up on Denver using the running game.

Its an exaggeration based on perception? I mean, where do they see teams beating us with the run. NE is the only team that really strikes me as beating us with the run. The Texans, they beat us with the two long passes against Porter. I've actually been very impressed with our run defense, so far, this year except...... the NE game.

catfish
10-18-2012, 07:17 AM
Its an exaggeration based on perception? I mean, where do they see teams beating us with the run. NE is the only team that really strikes me as beating us with the run. The Texans, they beat us with the two long passes against Porter. I've actually been very impressed with our run defense, so far, this year except...... the NE game.

Denver is 7th best on rushing YPA, there could be a few mitigating factors there, but they are top 10 for sure. I agree with a few exceptions they are doing well against the run.

San Diego still should have been running the ball in the second half though, 6 rushing attempts total when you have the lead is ridiculous

Northman
10-18-2012, 07:39 AM
Denver is 7th best on rushing YPA, there could be a few mitigating factors there, but they are top 10 for sure. I agree with a few exceptions they are doing well against the run.

San Diego still should have been running the ball in the second half though, 6 rushing attempts total when you have the lead is ridiculous

Classic Norv. Its that type of game planning that ruined their chances at a SB when they lost to the Patriots at home after leading something like 21-3 at the half or close to it.

catfish
10-18-2012, 07:50 AM
Classic Norv. Its that type of game planning that ruined their chances at a SB when they lost to the Patriots at home after leading something like 21-3 at the half or close to it.

The comeback really was the perfect storm

Horrible playcalling by SD in the second half
Outstanding play by Manning and the rest of the offense
Incredible play by the defense all game, but especially in the 2nd half. 6 turnovers and 14 points scored is ridiculous
Maybe the worst QB performance I have ever seen by one Phyllis Rivers

Probably wont see a perfect storm like that again ever. Exciting game for sure