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TXBRONC
11-03-2007, 08:41 PM
The players are just as frustrated as anyone about red zone production.

http://www.dailycamera.com/news/2007/nov/03/pro-football-lack-of-red-

Lack of red-zone production irks Broncos
Associated Press
Saturday, November 3, 2007

ENGLEWOOD — Brandon Marshall receives a paycheck to catch passes, not coach.

So, the wide receiver preferred to leave the tough questions — like why is the offense struggling to score? — for Broncos coach Mike Shanahan.

"There's a reason coach is so successful — because he knows what he's talking about," Marshall said. "He didn't turn into a dummy in one or two years. He's a genius, especially on the offensive side."

It doesn't take a genius to pinpoint the Achilles' heel of Denver's offense — the red zone. Going into Sunday's game at Detroit, the Broncos have scored just 11 touchdowns in 23 trips inside the opponents' 20 yard line.

"We are obviously frustrated we're not scoring more," quarterback Jay Cutler said. "We're trying to move on and stay confident, but it's just tough."

Cutler is sick of all the questions about the team's red-zone inadequacies. He wishes they'd end.

"It's the same thing every week," he said.

That it is. Denver can move the ball down the field just fine, but bogs down in the red zone. The Broncos are sev-enth in the league in total yards (354.6 per game) and yet 27th in total points (17 a contest).

"We can't be a great team if we're only scoring 17 points, and I think we need to put it upon ourselves to put some peer pressure on each other just to get things done," Marshall said. "We can turn this thing around."

The Broncos' 19-13 overtime loss to the Packers on Monday night typified their struggles in the red zone. Denver lost the ball on a fumble at the Green Bay 1 yard line in the second quarter when Cutler collided with offensive lineman Chris Kuper, jarring the ball out of his hands.

Later, on the team's final drive in regulation, the Broncos drove to the Packers 4 with 22 seconds remaining, only to be stuffed on a quarterback sneak and have to rush Jason Elam onto the field for a game-tying field goal.

"Things change when you get down in the red zone," receiver Brandon Stokley said. "Your focus needs to come up a little bit. You can't have mistakes. We've been making a few mistakes."

The Broncos are a loose bunch before stepping inside the 20. That was never more evident than on the Broncos' hurry-up drive against the Packers in the final minutes of the game. The Broncos faced a fourth and short at their 32 with 1:37 remaining.

Shanahan asked Cutler on a timeout what he wanted to run and Cutler came up with a crazy play.

"Coach and Jay just laughed," Marshall said. "It's fourth-and-2 and everyone's uptight and our leaders are just poised. I laughed, too. I went into the huddle and was like, 'Man, we have this.'"

For a brief time, it appeared like maybe the Broncos would. Cutler converted the fourth-down play on a pass to Stokley and then hit Marshall on a pair of passes to help move the ball inside the Packers 20.

But then the Broncos stalled.

"We put together a great drive," Stokley said. "We just didn't finish it off."

Links to the past

In his college coaching days at Utah State, Lions coach Rod Marinelli was known for his development of NFL defensive linemen. The Broncos benefited as much as any team.

He transformed Rulon Jones from a 195-pound project into one of Denver's top pass rushers. Jones ranks fourth all-time with 73½ sacks.

Undrafted and undersized Greg Kragen lasted eight years using the techniques taught him by Marinelli. Kragen started at nose tackle in three Super Bowls for the Broncos.

Pass rush specialist Simeon Rice doesn't mince words when discussing Marinelli's role in his career.

Marinelli served as Tampa Bay's defensive line coach for 10 years, and Rice played for him for five years.

"He helped me to be the player I am today," Rice said. "What he did was he cultivated my game. He took a player like myself and bonded it with another great player like Warren Sapp and we were able to win a Super Bowl. He was able to take me to the next level."

Lynch update

Shanahan won't know if safety John Lynch will play until game time. Lynch is listed as questionable on the injury report with a pinched nerve in his neck.

"I'll have a better feel as time goes on," Shanahan said Friday after practice. "We will get a chance to see him before the game, hit him a little bit and see how he feels."

Injury report

The updated National Football League injury report, as provided by the league:

Sunday

DENVER BRONCOS at DETROIT LIONS — BRONCOS: OUT: DE Jarvis Moss (fibula), WR Javon Walker (knee). QUESTIONABLE: S John Lynch (neck). PROBABLE: CB Champ Bailey (quadricep), DT Antwon Burton (ankle), RB Travis Henry (ribs), G Montrae Holland (shoulder), WR Brandon Stokley (hamstring), LB D.J. Williams (shoulder). LIONS: QUESTIONABLE: DE Kalimba Edwards (knee). PROBABLE: T George Foster (ankle), WR Calvin Johnson (back).

The Hamburgler
11-03-2007, 08:44 PM
three words


NO MIKE BELL

Tned
11-03-2007, 08:47 PM
three words


NO MIKE BELL

Two words, Rookie QB.

TXBRONC
11-03-2007, 08:50 PM
Two words, Rookie QB.

Correction: Still a relatively inexperienced 2nd year quarterback. ;)

Tned
11-03-2007, 08:55 PM
Correction: Still a relatively inexperienced 2nd year quarterback. ;)

LOL, I have corrected people on that all year!! :laugh:

Yes, I should have said:

three words, second year QB. :D

TXBRONC
11-03-2007, 09:01 PM
LOL, I have corrected people on that all year!! :laugh:

Yes, I should have said:

three words, second year QB. :D

Yea I was just trying to watch your back. :D

Tned
11-03-2007, 09:06 PM
Yea I was just trying to watch your back. :D

I hope we all get to watch some red-zone touchdowns tomorrow.

TXBRONC
11-03-2007, 09:09 PM
I hope we all get to watch some red-zone touchdowns tomorrow.

Me too. :beer:

Tned
11-03-2007, 09:11 PM
Me too. :beer:

Good news is Scheffler is starting to become a real part of the offense, which didn't happen earlier in the year due to the foot injury.

topscribe
11-03-2007, 09:18 PM
Frustration is not what I want to see from the players.

Production is.



Note to Jay Cutler: You will stop hearing about it when the Broncos start making touchdowns. :coffee:

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arapaho2
11-03-2007, 09:35 PM
if you say qb ..your wrong....ifyou said a back your wrong

the two words are in fact ....play selection!!!

i can only recall one play by jay that was his mistake costing a td....the pass to marshel last week .....i cannot recall one play were a back missed the hole on goalline..i cannot recall a sure td pass dropped by a wr in the redzone.........the truth is we are not calling plays that just work...truth is the players are not at fault in the redzone....the play calls are just not getting the mismatch or open lanes needed

so if the rezone woes are perplexing you shanny...call a play that works

omac
11-03-2007, 11:13 PM
LOL, I have corrected people on that all year!! :laugh:

Yes, I should have said:

three words, second year QB. :D

One word, injuries.

Tned
11-03-2007, 11:24 PM
One word, injuries.

The team was struggling all the way back to the preseason. The injuries slowed the progression of all the offensive and defensive changes, but the struggles came first.

omac
11-03-2007, 11:27 PM
Shanahan asked Cutler on a timeout what he wanted to run and Cutler came up with a crazy play.

"Coach and Jay just laughed," Marshall said. "It's fourth-and-2 and everyone's uptight and our leaders are just poised. I laughed, too. I went into the huddle and was like, 'Man, we have this.'"

This is my favorite part of the story; it's what sets Cutler apart from most other quarterbacks in the league, including long time veterans. Very few respond as well to pressure situations.

This is why I believe that no matter what mistakes the offense or defense makes, as long as the game is close, we'll always have a chance to win it. :beer:

omac
11-03-2007, 11:39 PM
The team was struggling all the way back to the preseason. The injuries slowed the progression of all the offensive and defensive changes, but the struggles came first.

As you said, the injuries slowed the progression. Henry's been hampered by injuries in several games; who's to say he's even running at full force when he goes for a TD? He could be hampered? With Javon out, the timing is obviously off between Jay and his #1 receive ... probably the reason why less passing TDs are called. Injuries to the line obviously affect the running game, and we lost Hamilton pretty early. Brandon Marshall missed a lot of camp, and it showed in his earlier games.

People focus on the red-zone woes, and that's fine. But what Cutler and the offense are able to do, moving the ball through the field while having to use interchangeable parts, is pretty amazing. Very few QBs in the league, not named Brady or Manning, can move the ball as well without their #1 receiver and #1 RB. He spreads the ball around to ALL the skill players, even guys who weren't even on the 1st team, like Martinez, and these guys respond pretty well.

Truth is, with all these injuries, if Cutler and the offense wasn't this good, forget about stalling in the red zone; we wouldn't make it past our 50 with all the personel inconsistencies due to injuries.

SBboundBRONCOS
11-04-2007, 12:58 AM
have every songle one of our TDs come in the redzone, if so that is part of the problem, we have no explosion and many of you know i feel this way from my other thread

Medford Bronco
11-04-2007, 01:39 AM
Two words, Rookie QB.

Seven Words (parenthesis dont count)

the offensive line is not that good (even before injuries)

omac
11-04-2007, 05:42 AM
have every songle one of our TDs come in the redzone, if so that is part of the problem, we have no explosion and many of you know i feel this way from my other thread

And that's a pretty good point. Javon being out can only compound the situation.

TXBRONC
11-04-2007, 07:47 AM
Good news is Scheffler is starting to become a real part of the offense, which didn't happen earlier in the year due to the foot injury.

That has been one bright spot for the offense.

TXBRONC
11-04-2007, 07:51 AM
Frustration is not what I want to see from the players.

Production is.



Note to Jay Cutler: You will stop hearing about it when the Broncos start making touchdowns. :coffee:

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Top I'm sure they want to be productive as well the fans do. I'm also sure Cutler realizes that he'll stop hearing about when offense starts cranking up inside the red zone.

champbronc2
11-04-2007, 09:28 AM
The redzone offense is terrible.

It is frustrating when we get down there and just about never get a touchdown.

I don't know if it is playcalling or execution or both, but it is killing us.

Tned
11-04-2007, 12:08 PM
Seven Words (parenthesis dont count)

the offensive line is not that good (even before injuries)

Well, to exapand on your point:

The offensive line is not that good (even before injuries) when put in a draditional drop-back passing game plan, and the coaches seemed to have lost site of that fact, based on their play calling.

Skinny
11-04-2007, 01:01 PM
"You've got to look at why you don't get the ball in the end zone. Sometimes it's penalties. Sometimes it's fumbles. There are a lot of different things. You go 3-for-3 (in the red zone) last week and 1-for-4 this week (against the Packers),'' Shanahan said. "You just have to work on it, and everybody wants the magic formula. It's got to be the red zone or one guy and it just doesn't work that way. As we all know, you've got to have a football team playing together.''

TXBRONC
11-04-2007, 03:11 PM
"You've got to look at why you don't get the ball in the end zone. Sometimes it's penalties. Sometimes it's fumbles. There are a lot of different things. You go 3-for-3 (in the red zone) last week and 1-for-4 this week (against the Packers),'' Shanahan said. "You just have to work on it, and everybody wants the magic formula. It's got to be the red zone or one guy and it just doesn't work that way. As we all know, you've got to have a football team playing together.''

I'm not trying to make excuses for our team but man are we getting beat up.

Lonestar
11-05-2007, 01:34 PM
Red zone is easier to defend because all of the defenders are within 10 yards of the LOS for most of the plays.. they only have to defend at most 30 yards of the field and best only 11 yards in depth

I most cases they have huge DLine guys on their goal line squad.. They flat do not have to defend as much space.

Until such time as we get some real beef on the NOline we are going to have to rely finesse and tricks to get the job done... We can get a few score that way but we must have ALL our prime time players on the field to produce down there and I do not remember having that once all year..

Dean
11-05-2007, 09:32 PM
Oh for the days when red zone impotence and difficulty stopping the run were our only worries! ;)

OB
11-05-2007, 09:49 PM
I think the RZ offense has been bad for at least three years now - Someone do the research - if thats the case than its not injuries and its not the QB

TXBRONC
11-05-2007, 11:45 PM
I think the RZ offense has been bad for at least three years now - Someone do the research - if thats the case than its not injuries and its not the QB


In 2005 we were in the top ten in red zone scoring. Last year we had respectable ranking, problem was we were dysfunctional moving ball into red zone last year. This year we have young quarterback, several missing pieces.

OB
11-05-2007, 11:56 PM
In 2005 we were in the top ten in red zone scoring. Last year we had respectable ranking, problem was we were dysfunctional moving ball into red zone last year. This year we have young quarterback, several missing pieces.
Scoring 3 or 7?

TXBRONC
11-06-2007, 12:06 AM
Scoring 3 or 7?

In 2005 we did well scoring touchdowns, of course we had Mike Anderson getting most of the carries that year.