Sign of times: Moreno, Ayers fail to report

[Lonestar]

The Denver Post
Posted: 07/28/2009 01:00:00 AM MDT


Rookie cornerback D.J. Johnson runs through drills Monday during the first day of camp, which gets in full swing Friday when veterans report. (John Leyba, The Denver Post)The Broncos continue to negotiate with their two first-round draft picks — running back Knowshon Moreno of Georgia and defensive end-linebacker Robert Ayers of Tennessee — but have yet to close the deals. In fact, few first- rounders in the NFL have signed.

Moreno, selected 12th overall, and Ayers (18th) were the only rookies who did not report Monday to the team's Dove Valley complex. Moreno was at the Georgia campus Monday.

Broncos coach Josh McDaniels said the largely rookies-only workouts this week are important, but that Moreno and Ayers would really start to lose ground if they missed time Friday and beyond. The Broncos will make daily installations on offense and defense starting with Friday's practices.

"Once we install something on Friday, we're not going to install it again on Saturday," McDaniels said. "Once we install it on Saturday, we're not going install it again on Sunday. As any player, any competitor, would understand, as you start putting things in and start putting responsibilities on players if they miss those meetings, those sessions and those practices, they're going to have some work to catch up."

Lonely guys.

Linebackers D.J. Williams and Wesley Woodyard are returning from offseason surgeries and were designated Monday as physically unable to perform. The designation means they can't practice until cleared by the Broncos' medical staff.

Williams had offseason shoulder surgery. Woodyard did not participate in Monday's conditioning test, which involves interval sprints. The team would not divulge his injury.

Welcome change.

For the first time since his senior season at Purdue — in the summer of 2004 — Kyle Orton is starting a training camp as his team's defined No. 1 quarterback.

McDaniels named Orton, who played his first four NFL seasons with the Chicago Bears, as the Broncos' starter after the first day of the mandatory minicamp in June. Chris Simms is the backup, followed by rookie Tom Brandstater.

All three reported for Monday's practice and wore shoulder pads for the first time.

"It's great. It's always frustrating going into camp with another guy taking as many reps as you," Orton said. "It puts everybody at such a disadvantage, myself included. I'm happy with it. I'm going to continue to work as hard as I can and really just hope to see my game improve that much more."

Full workload.

Once the other veterans report and Moreno signs his contract, there will be plenty of competition for repetitions at tailback. Until then, second-year player Ryan Torain is taking all the handoffs. And he couldn't be happier about it.

Torain's rookie season was twice stalled by injuries — a broken elbow in training camp followed by a torn ACL in November that left him on injured reserve.

Monday marked his first full practice (he was limited in the final June minicamp) since the knee injury.

"For me, it's a reward to finally do a full practice and get a bunch of reps and play football again," Torain said. "I look at it as I'm catching up. I'm pretty excited about it."
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[sneakers]

Glad to see Torain get a chance....I was unconvinced (I thought he run too "upright")after the brief bit of time he had last season, but at least he will get a shot with knowshown "dan" Moreno out.

[SoCalImport]

I wonder what happened to Ayre's statement about being in camp day one?

Ah well. Get it done guys. Hurry now.

[SoCalImport]

Glad to see Torain get a chance....I was unconvinced (I thought he run too "upright")after the brief bit of time he had last season, but at least he will get a shot with knowshown "dan" Moreno out.

Torrain has become one of those players that I just don't think about much. He needs to play and NOT get hurt for a whole season. I'm not asking for 20 carries per game, just be an active part of the RBBC for whole year (assuming that's what we do this season) and stay healthy.

[Dirk]

Torrain has become one of those players that I just don't think about much. He needs to play and NOT get hurt for a whole season. I'm not asking for 20 carries per game, just be an active part of the RBBC for whole year (assuming that's what we do this season) and stay healthy.


I agree. If he can stay healthy and prove that he actually can get the job done..more power to him. Otherwise just another member of the ho-hum crowd :coffee:

[Tned]

Torrain has become one of those players that I just don't think about much. He needs to play and NOT get hurt for a whole season. I'm not asking for 20 carries per game, just be an active part of the RBBC for whole year (assuming that's what we do this season) and stay healthy.

Yea, he does. I am hoping that he's been hit with fluke injuries, but first the college foot injury, then the broken/dislocated elbow, then the ACL. None related, so it isn't like he has a 'chronic' injury, but he has spent most of the last two years recovering from major injuries.

In his very brief stint on the field, I liked what I saw, so I hope he makes the team, which might be a challenge with Moreno, Jordan, Buckholter and Hillis. In the Shanny days, he would usually keep 3 RBs and 1 or 2 FBs. Hard to say what McD will do, especially if the look at Larsen as a FB rather than LB in terms of keeping guys. I'm guessing Torrain is on the bubble and will have to have a very good camp.

[Mike]

Not many 1st round picks have signed for any teams so far, so it isn't that Ayers/Moreno are bad apples or a problem impacting the Broncos only. Go to fixed rookie contracts per draft position and get rid of the problem altogether.

[pnbronco]

Not many 1st round picks have signed for any teams so far, so it isn't that Ayers/Moreno are bad apples or a problem impacting the Broncos only. Go to fixed rookie contracts per draft position and get rid of the problem altogether.

You are so right on Mike. The owners need to get this done now because it will only get worse.

[TXBRONC]

Not many 1st round picks have signed for any teams so far, so it isn't that Ayers/Moreno are bad apples or a problem impacting the Broncos only. Go to fixed rookie contracts per draft position and get rid of the problem altogether.

Absolutely, more times than not its the system that's fault.

[T.K.O.]

if moreno and the broncos dont get a deal done by friday, and if it takes another week or longer dont be surprised if torain is our #1 back when the season opens.
the guy is a beast (when healthy) and he will definately be giving 110% in camp to prove he is no bust !
i realize that its a business .but i really think all these rookies would do well to show their prospective teams they have every intention of being the best they can be,by showing up at camp while the fo and agents handle the $$$ issues.
so what if a deal cant be made at least they showed the next team they want to play!
we all know they will eventually sign ,so why not be up with the rest of the team (who will likely be making less money).:salute:

[NightTrainLayne]

if moreno and the broncos dont get a deal done by friday, and if it takes another week or longer dont be surprised if torain is our #1 back when the season opens.
the guy is a beast (when healthy) and he will definately be giving 110% in camp to prove he is no bust !
i realize that its a business .but i really think all these rookies would do well to show their prospective teams they have every intention of being the best they can be,by showing up at camp while the fo and agents handle the $$$ issues.
so what if a deal cant be made at least they showed the next team they want to play!
we all know they will eventually sign ,so why not be up with the rest of the team (who will likely be making less money).:salute:

It would be irresponsible to show up without a contract. Potential injury without any guarantees of money would be a bad decision.

I don't mind them not showing up if the contract isn't settled. Just wish they'd get the deal inked. But everyone's in limbo right now it seems. One or two other needs to get signed to get the dominoes falling.

[BroncoWave]

It would be irresponsible to show up without a contract. Potential injury without any guarantees of money would be a bad decision.

I don't mind them not showing up if the contract isn't settled. Just wish they'd get the deal inked. But everyone's in limbo right now it seems. One or two other needs to get signed to get the dominoes falling.

But what would be irresponsible about still coming to camp and participating in meetings and cheering you teammates on the sidelines? I have never understood why unsigned rookies don't do that.

[TXBRONC]

if moreno and the broncos dont get a deal done by friday, and if it takes another week or longer dont be surprised if torain is our #1 back when the season opens.
the guy is a beast (when healthy) and he will definately be giving 110% in camp to prove he is no bust !
i realize that its a business .but i really think all these rookies would do well to show their prospective teams they have every intention of being the best they can be,by showing up at camp while the fo and agents handle the $$$ issues.
so what if a deal cant be made at least they showed the next team they want to play!
we all know they will eventually sign ,so why not be up with the rest of the team (who will likely be making less money).:salute:

It would foolish for a player to go to camp without a signed contract. In fact I wouldn't doubt it if the NFLPA prohibts players from doing so.

[broncohead]

But what would be irresponsible about still coming to camp and participating in meetings and cheering you teammates on the sidelines? I have never understood why unsigned rookies don't do that.

Because the NFL isn't the team sport everyone tries to make it out to be. Only thing players play for is the $,$$$,$$$

[underrated29]

Guys. They Cant!

The NFL RUles state that the players if unsigned CAN NOT show up to camps. They are forbidden.

Its not the players.



I think we even saw a partial thing of this a few years ago when Duante Culpepper tried to show up to a camp at Miami? and was escorted off the field. He was not under contract and therefore could not show up.

[underrated29]

It would foolish for a player to go to camp without a signed contract. In fact I wouldn't doubt it if the NFLPA prohibts players from doing so.



BINGO!!!!!


On all accounts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[T.K.O.]

Guys. They Cant!

The NFL RUles state that the players if unsigned CAN NOT show up to camps. They are forbidden.

Its not the players.



I think we even saw a partial thing of this a few years ago when Duante Culpepper tried to show up to a camp at Miami? and was escorted off the field. He was not under contract and therefore could not show up.

ahhhhh...i see
i was not aware of that.
but they do have access to playbooks etc... right?
i mean hopefully they are at least getting some work in on knowing the system.

[underrated29]

ahhhhh...i see
i was not aware of that.
but they do have access to playbooks etc... right?
i mean hopefully they are at least getting some work in on knowing the system.



As far as i know yes.


I just found out about this the other day too. I was like you, why not show up but not practice. Obviously getting hurt without being under contract would be stupid, but showing up and visually learning etc.

I was then pointed out that the NFL rules state otherwise. It makes sense now, but i would be willing to bet with the new CBA that might be something they look at to change.

Its very interesting.

[BroncoWave]

Because the NFL isn't the team sport everyone tries to make it out to be. Only thing players play for is the $,$$$,$$$

But wouldn't it make sense for the PLAYER to still be in camp and be in meetings in such so he doesn't get as far behind as he would by not showing up? I know most players are in it for themselves but I still think it would be beneficial to them to still come to camp and do everything but practice until they have a contract.

[BroncoWave]

As far as i know yes.


I just found out about this the other day too. I was like you, why not show up but not practice. Obviously getting hurt without being under contract would be stupid, but showing up and visually learning etc.

I was then pointed out that the NFL rules state otherwise. It makes sense now, but i would be willing to bet with the new CBA that might be something they look at to change.

Its very interesting.

I would certainly hope so because I find that rule pretty retarded.

[GEM]

Signing status of 2009 first-round picks
Posted by Mike Florio on July 27, 2009 7:42 PM ET
Here's a real-time look at the status of the first-round picks in the 2009 draft, including the name(s) of their agents.

1. Lions: QB Matthew Stafford (Tom Condon/Ben Dogra); signed April 25.

2. Rams: OT Jason Smith (Ben Dogra/Michael Lartigue); unsigned.

3. Chiefs: DE Tyson Jackon (Eugene Parker); unsigned.

4. Seahawks: LB Aaron Curry (Andy Ross/Mike Sullivan); unsigned.

5. Jets: QB Mark Sanchez (David Dunn/Andrew Kessler); signed June 11.

6. Bengals: OT Andre Smith (Alvin Keels); unsigned.

7. Raiders: WR Darrius Heyward-Bey (Tom Condon/Ben Dogra); unsigned.

8. Jaguars: OT Eugene Monroe (Sanat Shah); unsigned.

9. Packers: DL B.J. Raji (David Dunn/Mark Humenik/Joby Branion/Justin Schulman); unsigned.

10. 49ers: WR Michael Crabtree (Eugene Parker); unsigned.

11. Bills: DE Aaron Maybin (Joel Segal/Chafie Fields); unsigned.

12. Broncos: RB Knowshon Moreno (Tom Condon/Ben Dogra); unsigned.

13. Redskins: LB Brian Orakpo (Ben Dogra/Michael Lartigue); unsigned.

14. Saints: CB Malcolm Jenkins (Ben Dogra/Tom Condon); unsigned.

15. Texans: LB Brian Cushing (Tom Condon/Ben Dogra); unsigned.

16. Chargers: LB/DE Larry English (Todd France); unsigned.

17. Buccaneers: QB Josh Freeman (Ken Kremer/Ron Freeman); unsigned.

18. Broncos: DE Robert Ayers (Tony Agnone/Edward Johnson/Richard Rosa/Noel LaMontagne); unsigned.

19. Eagles: WR Jeremy Maclin (Ben Dogra/Jim Steiner); unsigned.

20. Lions: TE Brandon Pettigrew (Sean Howard); unsigned.

21. Browns: C Alex Mack (Tim Younger/Marvin Demoff); signed July 25.

22. Vikings: WR Percy Harvin (Joel Segal); unsigned.

23. Ravens: OT Michael Oher (Jimmy Sexton); unsigned.

24. Falcons: DT Peria Jerry (Bus Cook); unsigned.

25. Dolphins: CB Vontae Davis (Todd France); unsigned.

26. Packers: LB Clay Matthews (David Dunn/Mark Humenik/Joby Branion/Justin Schulman); unsigned.

27. Colts: RB Donald Brown (David Dunn/Mark Humenik/Joby Branion/Justin Schulman); unsigned.

28. Bills: C Eric Wood (David Dunn/Mark Humenik/Joby Branion/Justin Schulman); unsigned.

29. Giants: WR Hakeem Nicks (Peter Schaffer); unsigned.

30. Titans: WR Kenny Britt (Todd France); unsigned.

31. Cardinals: RB Chris Wells (Adam Heller/Brian Kopp); unsigned.

32. Steelers: DL Evander "Ziggy" Hood (Andy Ross/Mike Sullivan); signed July 25.

4 out of 32 1st rounders have signed as of yesterday.

[T.K.O.]

Signing status of 2009 first-round picks
Posted by Mike Florio on July 27, 2009 7:42 PM ET
Here's a real-time look at the status of the first-round picks in the 2009 draft, including the name(s) of their agents.

1. Lions: QB Matthew Stafford (Tom Condon/Ben Dogra); signed April 25.

2. Rams: OT Jason Smith (Ben Dogra/Michael Lartigue); unsigned.

3. Chiefs: DE Tyson Jackon (Eugene Parker); unsigned.

4. Seahawks: LB Aaron Curry (Andy Ross/Mike Sullivan); unsigned.

5. Jets: QB Mark Sanchez (David Dunn/Andrew Kessler); signed June 11.

6. Bengals: OT Andre Smith (Alvin Keels); unsigned.

7. Raiders: WR Darrius Heyward-Bey (Tom Condon/Ben Dogra); unsigned.

8. Jaguars: OT Eugene Monroe (Sanat Shah); unsigned.

9. Packers: DL B.J. Raji (David Dunn/Mark Humenik/Joby Branion/Justin Schulman); unsigned.

10. 49ers: WR Michael Crabtree (Eugene Parker); unsigned.

11. Bills: DE Aaron Maybin (Joel Segal/Chafie Fields); unsigned.

12. Broncos: RB Knowshon Moreno (Tom Condon/Ben Dogra); unsigned.

13. Redskins: LB Brian Orakpo (Ben Dogra/Michael Lartigue); unsigned.

14. Saints: CB Malcolm Jenkins (Ben Dogra/Tom Condon); unsigned.

15. Texans: LB Brian Cushing (Tom Condon/Ben Dogra); unsigned.

16. Chargers: LB/DE Larry English (Todd France); unsigned.

17. Buccaneers: QB Josh Freeman (Ken Kremer/Ron Freeman); unsigned.

18. Broncos: DE Robert Ayers (Tony Agnone/Edward Johnson/Richard Rosa/Noel LaMontagne); unsigned.

19. Eagles: WR Jeremy Maclin (Ben Dogra/Jim Steiner); unsigned.

20. Lions: TE Brandon Pettigrew (Sean Howard); unsigned.

21. Browns: C Alex Mack (Tim Younger/Marvin Demoff); signed July 25.

22. Vikings: WR Percy Harvin (Joel Segal); unsigned.

23. Ravens: OT Michael Oher (Jimmy Sexton); unsigned.

24. Falcons: DT Peria Jerry (Bus Cook); unsigned.

25. Dolphins: CB Vontae Davis (Todd France); unsigned.

26. Packers: LB Clay Matthews (David Dunn/Mark Humenik/Joby Branion/Justin Schulman); unsigned.

27. Colts: RB Donald Brown (David Dunn/Mark Humenik/Joby Branion/Justin Schulman); unsigned.

28. Bills: C Eric Wood (David Dunn/Mark Humenik/Joby Branion/Justin Schulman); unsigned.

29. Giants: WR Hakeem Nicks (Peter Schaffer); unsigned.

30. Titans: WR Kenny Britt (Todd France); unsigned.

31. Cardinals: RB Chris Wells (Adam Heller/Brian Kopp); unsigned.

32. Steelers: DL Evander "Ziggy" Hood (Andy Ross/Mike Sullivan); signed July 25.

4 out of 32 1st rounders have signed as of yesterday.

wow...the greed is out of control !

[GEM]

wow...the greed is out of control !

The thing that gets worrisome is all these guys have to do is decide to take a year off and enter next years draft again and go for the gusto in an uncapped year. How many teams would be completely screwed...

[Lonestar]

But what would be irresponsible about still coming to camp and participating in meetings and cheering you teammates on the sidelines? I have never understood why unsigned rookies don't do that.


mostly because their agents see this as a bargaining chip and it would be a weakness to be exploited..

think about it all the pressure to suit up by their peers.. seeing themselves falling behind.. would be to much and they would call the agent and tell them to take less get it done..

which I'm sure they are doing now but the agents do not want to cost themselves either.. they for the most part could give a crap about the team or player.. only getting huge contracts to get more clients..

follow the money folks.. no way he gets more players if he is rumored to be easy and not getting as much as possible..

[broncophan]

Jesus............this team has waaayyy too many issues........signing rookies shouldn't even be an issue.........not blaming the organization or the player/agents......somebody just "get it done".....and move on...

[Lonestar]

Jesus............this team has waaayyy too many issues........signing rookies shouldn't even be an issue.........not blaming the organization or the player/agents......somebody just "get it done".....and move on...



if you look at the list above you will understand why.. the agents do not want to be the first ones to sign and set precedent that everyone behind them has to now negotiate under..
the owner can and does comae back to Moreno's agent and say you want me to give you a million more than the guy got at #9 that is not gonna happen..

once those players 6-10 sign then the rest will fall like domino's..

[TXBRONC]

ahhhhh...i see
i was not aware of that.
but they do have access to playbooks etc... right?
i mean hopefully they are at least getting some work in on knowing the system.

I believe they do have access to the playbook.

[BroncoWave]

Jesus............this team has waaayyy too many issues........signing rookies shouldn't even be an issue.........not blaming the organization or the player/agents......somebody just "get it done".....and move on...

Hardly any of the first round picks in the league have signed. How is this the Broncos' fault?

[TXBRONC]

Guys it will get done and really wouldn't be surprised if happens fairly soon.

[broncophan]

Hardly any of the first round picks in the league have signed. How is this the Broncos' fault?

I understand that.................where did I say it was the broncos fault???

With the changes this team has had in the off season.....and looking at the schedule for this coming season......getting guys in camp on time this season is huge....if we want to feel better about the 2010/2011 season.

[BroncoWave]

I understand that.................where did I say it was the broncos fault???

With the changes this team has had in the off season.....and looking at the schedule for this coming season......getting guys in camp on time this season is huge....if we want to feel better about the 2010/2011 season.

And I have no doubt that the Broncos are trying their best to get them into camp. If it were easy it would have been done by now.

[Lonestar]

And I have no doubt that the Broncos are trying their best to get them into camp. If it were easy it would have been done by now.


until those guys in front of them sign we will not see them in camp.. and most big name players do not sign until the real TC starts..

[Dirk]

Wow! Thanks for posting that list Gem!

I had no idea so many first rounders had not inked their contracts.

I too am for a Standard Rookie Contract that is up for negotiations year two after they prove themselves on the field....IN THE NFL. It's a much different world than in college.

[Traveler]

Wow! Thanks for posting that list Gem!

I had no idea so many first rounders had not inked their contracts.

I too am for a Standard Rookie Contract that is up for negotiations year two after they prove themselves on the field....IN THE NFL. It's a much different world than in college.

My guess is that is one of the things the owners will insist on during negotiations in the next CBA

[Dirk]

My guess is that is one of the things the owners will insist on during negotiations in the next CBA


Would be a good thing! I think you would see a lot more action on day one of the draft if they would do that.

[TXBRONC]

You would think that the NFLPA would be in favor of a rookie salary cap but if not mistaken this idea was floated before but was rejected by the NFLPA when Upshaw still president.

[WARHORSE]

This is retarded and needs to be addressed in the CBAs.

Guaranteed: There will be a lockout.

This is all about the uncapped year coming up, etc, etc.

The agents are screwin the pooch.

[LTC Pain]

until those guys in front of them sign we will not see them in camp.. and most big name players do not sign until the real TC starts..

Keep your fingers crossed. I just read at Pro Football Talk that Heyward-Bey (#7 overall/Raiders) has signed and the Rams are getting close to signing Smith. Hope this cascades down to Moreno and Ayers signing soon. For what it's worth, I hope the 49ers don't cave-in and give Crabtree top 5 money.

[Ravage!!!]

I'm betting a high wager that there will NOT be a rookie cap

[dogfish]

Would be a good thing! I think you would see a lot more action on day one of the draft if they would do that.

and the top draft picks would go back to being ultra-valuable commodities. . . those high picks are SUPPOSED to help the worst teams improve, thus leveling the playing field a bit, but in reality they too frequently become anchors further weighing down sinking franchises when top-five picks bust and they're stuck paying grotesque, bloated salaries to guys who give them little or nothing on the field. . . a busted pick can screw up a franchise's salary cap situation for years. . .

does anyone really think jamarcus russell and matthew stafford should be getting contracts as big as drew freakin' brees? as big as the deals aaron rodgers and matt cassell just signed after excellent seasons? that they should be paid more than proven NFL performers like jay cutler and matt schaub? it's ridiculous, and they really need to get it taken care of. . .

if the player's union would pull their heads out of the agents asses, they'd see that a rookie wage scale would free up more money to be paid out to the veterans that have EARNED it. . . . :coffee:

the only people benefitting from the current situation are the top ten or so picks each year and the agents that represent them. . .

[Ravage!!!]

Hell .. I think its hilarious that cassell got his contract

[dogfish]

Hell .. I think its hilarious that cassell got his contract

i won't argue with you there, but in reality he's shown a lot more at this level than matthew stafford has. . . . of course we're going to have to see whether he can do it under a different coaching staff, with a group of receivers that doesn't include randy moss. . . but if you were running a team, which player would you rather have?

[T.K.O.]

i won't argue with you there, but in reality he's shown a lot more at this level than matthew stafford has. . . . of course we're going to have to see whether he can do it under a different coaching staff, with a group of receivers that doesn't include randy moss. . . but if you were running a team, which player would you rather have?

stafford

[T.K.O.]

what really blows is that when teams have to spend millions on unproven guys,it eats up cash for solid vets who are then forced to seek trades and or hold out because some jock who never took an nfl snap is making four times what a back to back 100+catch reciever is getting...and the fo is still trying to figure out how to give 72 million to a rookie with 30 mil gauranteed ?
its definately screwed up and needs fixing:rolleyes:

[Ravage!!!]

i won't argue with you there, but in reality he's shown a lot more at this level than matthew stafford has. . . . of course we're going to have to see whether he can do it under a different coaching staff, with a group of receivers that doesn't include randy moss. . . but if you were running a team, which player would you rather have?

And you also have to wonder just how many more jerseys and seats that a Stafford brings over a Cassell. I know that people in Detroit are a lot more excited to have Stafford than KC fans are about spending 60 million on Cassell.

[dogfish]

And you also have to wonder just how many more jerseys and seats that a Stafford brings over a Cassell. I know that people in Detroit are a lot more excited to have Stafford than KC fans are about spending 60 million on Cassell.

true-- but how long will that last if cassell keeps playing like he did last year, and stafford plays like jamarcus russell or matt leinart?

[Lonestar]

and the top draft picks would go back to being ultra-valuable commodities. . . those high picks are SUPPOSED to help the worst teams improve, thus leveling the playing field a bit, but in reality they too frequently become anchors further weighing down sinking franchises when top-five picks bust and they're stuck paying grotesque, bloated salaries to guys who give them little or nothing on the field. . . a busted pick can screw up a franchise's salary cap situation for years. . .
does anyone really think jamarcus russell and matthew stafford should be getting contracts as big as drew freakin' brees? as big as the deals aaron rodgers and matt cassell just signed after excellent seasons? that they should be paid more than proven NFL performers like jay cutler and matt schaub? it's ridiculous, and they really need to get it taken care of. . .

if the player's union would pull their heads out of the agents asses, they'd see that a rookie wage scale would free up more money to be paid out to the veterans that have EARNED it. . . . :coffee:

the only people benefitting from the current situation are the top ten or so picks each year and the agents that represent them. . .


as we have seen right here in DEN..


a rookie cap is only sane way to go.. it would allow more more for those players that have proved they can do it.. I can;t believe that the 95% of the NFLPA would not agree to this type of thing after all the rookies are taking money from them..

[TXBRONC]

and the top draft picks would go back to being ultra-valuable commodities. . . those high picks are SUPPOSED to help the worst teams improve, thus leveling the playing field a bit, but in reality they too frequently become anchors further weighing down sinking franchises when top-five picks bust and they're stuck paying grotesque, bloated salaries to guys who give them little or nothing on the field. . . a busted pick can screw up a franchise's salary cap situation for years. . .

does anyone really think jamarcus russell and matthew stafford should be getting contracts as big as drew freakin' brees? as big as the deals aaron rodgers and matt cassell just signed after excellent seasons? that they should be paid more than proven NFL performers like jay cutler and matt schaub? it's ridiculous, and they really need to get it taken care of. . .

if the player's union would pull their heads out of the agents asses, they'd see that a rookie wage scale would free up more money to be paid out to the veterans that have EARNED it. . . . : coffee:

the only people benefitting from the current situation are the top ten or so picks each year and the agents that represent them. . .

The stink of it is that veteran players get pissed at the fact that these rookies are getting paid like them, yet they haven't wanted to stop the insanity.

[TXBRONC]

as we have seen right here in DEN..

And 31 other teams as well.

[Lonestar]

And 31 other teams as well.


while your concerned with everyone else I'm not..

The fact that we had the worst drafts from 2000-05 does not seem to bother you well what can I say..

my concern has been broncos only for nigh on 5 decades..

[TXBRONC]

while your concerned with everyone else I'm not..

The fact that we had the worst drafts from 2000-05 does not seem to bother you well what can I say..

my concern has been broncos only for nigh on 5 decades..

Don't presume to know what concerns me you're not that good.

I'm just stating a fact.

As far you having been a fan for five decades I really don't give a crap. I've been one for over thirty years.

[T.K.O.]

well back on topic it looks like al davis is still blowing his kids inheritance......
this should speed things up

DHB gets big payday
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on July 30, 2009 4:01 PM ET
Earlier this afternoon, agent Alvin Keels "broke" the terms of Darrius Heyward-Bey's contract. (Since Keels isn't DHB's agent, this marks another odd show of Twitter's power.)

In the meantime, PFT - namely Florio - has confirmed that the terms Keels presented were accurate. So here they are.

Heyward-Bey will earn $38.250 million over five years in base salary, with $23.5 million guaranteed.

The total max value, if Heyward-Bey hits every last incentive, would be $54 million. (For this to happen, Heyward-Bey's hamstrings will have to let him practice occasionally.)

The guaranteed money is roughly a 20.5% bump over Sedrick Ellis' deal in the same spot last year. The base salary totals go up 14% 19.5%.

That's a lot of coin for someone without a great deal of production in college. For point of comparison, Heyward-Bey's deal looks superior by any measure to the one Greg Jennings signed with Green Bay.

It's believed that Heyward-Bey's deal will lead to more first-round signings for the players drafted around him.

Of course, teams may not be so willing to jump on board if they don't feel like the Raiders got a good deal.

[T.K.O.]

Don't presume to know what concerns me you're not that good.

I'm just stating a fact.

As far you having been a fan for five decades I really don't give a crap. I've been one for over thirty years.

what does john 11 25-27 say ?just wondering ,i dont have a bible at work
nevermind i looked it up online....got it !

[TXBRONC]

what does john 11 25-27 say ?just wondering ,i dont have a bible at work

Jesus said to her, I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies; and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this? Yes, Lord, she told him, I believe that you are the Christ, the Son of God, who was to come into the world.

[yardog]

Jesus said to her, I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies; and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this? Yes, Lord, she told him, I believe that you are the Christ, the Son of God, who was to come into the world.

Amen.