McDaniels: WE WILL DO THINGS OTHER TEAMS HAVE NEVER DONE.

[WARHORSE]

"There are things we will do (offensively) that other teams have never done."
Josh McDaniels (http://www.denverpost.com/topics?topic=Josh%20McDaniels&searchTerm=Josh%20McDaniels) is not kidding, boasting, lying, hypothesizing.

The new head of state for the Broncos is issuing a forewarning, a challenge, a notification, a declaration he firmly believes, to supporters, skeptics, an interloper in his office and, most important, National Football League (http://www.denverpost.com/topics?topic=National%20Football%20League&searchTerm=National%20Football%20League) adversaries.
McDaniels is serious as a Gottfried von Leibniz (http://www.denverpost.com/topics?topic=Gottfried%20Leibniz&searchTerm=Gottfried%20von%20Leibniz) calculus problem.

"The interesting thing is people talk about our offense and kind of stereotype it as this quote spread or shotgun offense, but . . . we definitely will find different ways to make defenses work to get ready for us. (Jacksonville (http://www.denverpost.com/topics?topic=Jacksonville&searchTerm=Jacksonville) coach) Jack Del Rio (http://www.denverpost.com/topics?topic=Jack%20Del%20Rio&searchTerm=Jack%20Del%20Rio) said it best two years ago. He said preparing for us (New England) was like preparing for six different offenses. We want to dictate to defenses."

To a visitor, McDaniels applies the word "we" to describe both the Patriots and the Broncos, which raises the question: "How much of this will be the Patriots' offense and your own offense?"

The answer is: "I will answer bluntly. I will do anything to help this team win. (Patriots coach Bill Belichick (http://www.denverpost.com/topics?topic=Bill%20Belichick&searchTerm=Bill%20Belichick)) never discouraged me from doing things I thought would be successful."

What about the length and breadth of his playbook?
"It's a library," said McDaniels, who points across the room to a bookcase.

Standing upright by itself on the top shelf is a book that looks like a condensed (just slightly) version of the Encyclopedia Britannica. Who wrote it — Victor Hugo (http://www.denverpost.com/topics?topic=Victor%20Hugo&searchTerm=Victor%20Hugo)?
McDaniels smiles. "We won't use all of it, but we will go into it each week and choose the best plays for that game."

For instance? He's not talking. But last year's Offensive Scheme Du Jour, popularized by the Dolphins, was the "Wildcat," a direct snap to the running back. Will the Broncos try it?

"We may, we may not. We're going to practice with it, but I will say this: It won't be our bread and butter." On the eve of his first training camp as a head coach, McDaniels is staring at a big-screen flat TV on the wall that is frozen on a play involving the Cincinnati Bengals (http://www.denverpost.com/topics?topic=Cincinnati%20Bengals&searchTerm=Cincinnati%20Bengals). The Broncos go to Cincinnati (http://www.denverpost.com/topics?topic=Cincinnati&searchTerm=Cincinnati) the season-opening Sunday.

McDaniels, per custom of coaches, will not get into prognostications. "I know it's a cliche, but I just want to be 1-0."
Although McDaniels claims not to read newspapers, he thinks the intruder, frequently as wrong as a TV weather forecaster, has "predicted that we will five games."

He is corrected. "You have me confused with someone else. Six, but that's a preliminary guess, based on the schedule. I'll make my final prediction after the third exhibition," which, by chance, will be against the Bears and you-know-who.

"You can't judge teams on the basis of last year. Schedule strength is a hoax. Coaches, players, owners change. There are so many variables," McDaniels said, sounding like a calculus professor.

A polite argument ensues. "You have to play at Indianapolis (http://www.denverpost.com/topics?topic=Indianapolis&searchTerm=Indianapolis), San Diego (http://www.denverpost.com/topics?topic=San%20Diego&searchTerm=San%20Diego), Baltimore (http://www.denverpost.com/topics?topic=Baltimore&searchTerm=Baltimore), Washington (http://www.denverpost.com/topics?topic=Washington&searchTerm=Washington), Kansas City (http://www.denverpost.com/topics?topic=Kansas%20City&searchTerm=Kansas%20City) in December when it's always cold and Philadelphia (http://www.denverpost.com/topics?topic=Philadelphia&searchTerm=Philadelphia). You've got home games against Dallas (http://www.denverpost.com/topics?topic=Dallas&searchTerm=Dallas), Pittsburgh (http://www.denverpost.com/topics?topic=Pittsburgh&searchTerm=Pittsburgh), the Giants and, yes, New England. You can't tell me those games won't be tough."

"Another cliche, but every game in the NFL is tough. Last year who thought the Dolphins and the Falcons were going to be as good as they were? "All I can tell you is I've never been a part of a losing season in my life — not when I started playing in the seventh grade, not in high school, not in college, not (as an assistant) at Michigan (http://www.denverpost.com/topics?topic=Michigan&searchTerm=Michigan) State, not in all my years (eight) in New England (http://www.denverpost.com/topics?topic=England&searchTerm=England). I don't want to put a cap on what we're going to do."

McDaniels rattles off his principal concerns about the Broncos: "turnovers" — (18 interceptions, 14 fumbles); lack of foes' turnovers — "Way too many times we didn't cause any turnovers" (six interceptions, nine fumble recoveries); drive start — "We were one of the last teams in the league in field position on special teams," and the Broncos "scored only three points all year in the two-minute offense — 17 drives and had one field goal. Do that and you won't win."

The principal concern outside the organization is about the quarterback position. McDaniels, as coach and by choice, is attached at the hip, literally, with Kyle Orton (http://www.denverpost.com/topics?topic=Kyle%20Orton&searchTerm=Kyle%20Orton).

"It's a tough adjustment coming into our system. Kyle moved here full time and has learned the offense. We threw everything at him. He's watching film, studying all the time. I feel very good about him and Chris (Simms (http://www.denverpost.com/topics?topic=Chris%20Simms&searchTerm=Chris%20Simms)). Kyle's a smart player. He brings leadership, toughness. He has responded to adversity in the past. Teammates say they like him. We're pushing him hard. We're not going to ask him to do things that are not best suited for him.
"In New England we never asked Tom Brady (http://www.denverpost.com/topics?topic=Tom%20Brady&searchTerm=Tom%20Brady) to become an outside-the-pocket runner. We're not going to handicap him; we're going to help him. We want Kyle to be smart, be accurate and run our system."

The secondary concern for others is the secondary, the linebackers, the defensive linemen — the defense.
"We've told our defensive backs we want two things: 'Don't let the ball go over your heads, and if a ball carrier gets to you, tackle him.' "
In regard to the defensive linemen switching to outside linebacker, McDaniels says: "They know how to go forward. If they have to go backward, we're not going to make them do things they can't."

And defensive linemen, specifically free-agent tackle Ronnie Fields?
"With his size and strength, we don't think he will be beat at the line of scrimmage."

There remains a confusing public and media perception of McDaniels because of all that has transpired since he became the Broncos coach. Is he brash or confident? Is he Belichick Jr. or a brilliant coach with youthful exuberance? Did he make smart or stupid decisions with Jay Cutler (http://www.denverpost.com/topics?topic=Jay%20Cutler&searchTerm=Jay%20Cutler), in free agency, with Brandon Marshall (http://www.denverpost.com/topics?topic=Brandon%20Marshall&searchTerm=Brandon%20Marshall), in the draft?

After three extended interviews with the coach, the third lasting two hours Friday, the observer knows Josh is engaging, self-assured, likable, oft-times funny at his own expense, serious about his profession and goals, an NFL historian, highly intelligent, a dedicated husband and father and a clever, gifted football coach. We do not know if he can do things that have been done six times with three coaches (one in his first season) — lead the Broncos to the Super Bowl (http://www.denverpost.com/topics?topic=Super%20Bowl&searchTerm=Super%20Bowl).

[WARHORSE]

My favorite part is the part about the Superbowl..........................

just sayin.:coffee:

[WARHORSE]

And I sure hope we're gonna do stuff no one else has done before........like win the superbowl a year after an 8-8 season in which you just traded away your franchise QB/bellyacher.


But an offense no one has seen would be nice............

[Shazam!]

McDaniels is going to make all the naysayers sound like they belonged in an insane asylum in December.

[NightTrainLayne]

And defensive linemen, specifically free-agent tackle Ronnie Fields?
"With his size and strength, we don't think he will be beat at the line of scrimmage."




I like that the coach likes my adopted Bronco of the last 4-5 months. :D

[Northman]

He said preparing for us (New England) was like preparing for six different offenses. We want to dictate to defenses."

I am so excited about this. I think part of the reason Denver has become so stagnant is their predictability under Shanahan. Defenses knew when we were going to run, pass, take a crap, etc. Now, no team is going to know what we are going to bring out and i think that will surprise a lot of people this coming year.

[G_Money]

McDaniels sees the problems. Nobody can say he's blind.

I certainly hope his solutions to what ails us actually FIX what ails us.

I'm looking forward to finding out.

Go Broncos. :salute: Knock em dead. Prognostication is a way to pass the time until they play the games.

When game-time rolls around, you're the ones who make McDaniels right or wrong.

Go be right, fellas, in a big way.

~G

[BroncosSBBound]

I think the key for the '09 season is to minimize mistakes. It's great that Josh has a huge playbook and knows how and when to take different approaches. Shanahan was too predictable and that was part of his downfall.

[underrated29]

I am so excited about this. I think part of the reason Denver has become so stagnant is their predictability under Shanahan. Defenses knew when we were going to run, pass, take a crap, etc. Now, no team is going to know what we are going to bring out and i think that will surprise a lot of people this coming year.

I agree and disagree with you here.

I like that we will be unpredictable, and that we will run so many formations and looks and use our O to our strength.,


As for shannys scheme. I think for us (fans) it was predictable, but not for other teams. We ran the same like 6 formations, but each one had like 20 different plays off of it. Afterall we did have the #2 offense, so it was not that predictable.

Still a fresh look will be nice. So will Knowshon!

[Ravage!!!]

I agree and disagree with you here.

I like that we will be unpredictable, and that we will run so many formations and looks and use our O to our strength.,


As for shannys scheme. I think for us (fans) it was predictable, but not for other teams. We ran the same like 6 formations, but each one had like 20 different plays off of it. Afterall we did have the #2 offense, so it was not that predictable.

Still a fresh look will be nice. So will Knowshon!

Not to mention, Belicheck repeatedly stated that the one person he feared the most, was Shanahan. Considering Belicheck can be considered the best defensive mind in NFL history, I would say there is a reason for his comments.

Change is often very good for a team. Thats what we have to hang our hat on right now.

[rationalfan]

Not to mention, Belicheck repeatedly stated that the one person he feared the most, was Shanahan. Considering Belicheck can be considered the best defensive mind in NFL history, I would say there is a reason for his comments.

Change is often very good for a team. Thats what we have to hang our hat on right now.

not to beat this into the ground, but that's because shanahan only seemed to bring his best game plans against the best coaches.

back to the article in this thread, it's most encouraging to see mcdaniels take a look at all the areas of deficiences. he comes off objective and willing to audit an entire team - rather than believe a strong armed quarterback and a tired offensive philosophy could negate a poor defense and terrible special teams.

oh, and did anyone gasp from shame at the stat about how horrid the team's two-minute offense was last year? forget about the #2 overall offensive ranking. this team's problems weren't all on the defensive side of the ball.

[underrated29]

oh, and did anyone gasp from shame at the stat about how horrid the team's two-minute offense was last year? forget about the #2 overall offensive ranking. this team's problems weren't all on the defensive side of the ball.



I think thats a little misleading though. Most of the time we could have kicked the FG. But being down so many points (usually) we had to take all 4 tries at the TD.

Also dont discount the fact that we had no RB to pound the ball in with, and other things too. No doubt its a pathetic stat. But i think there is more than meets the eye with it.

[Lonestar]

I agree and disagree with you here.

I like that we will be unpredictable, and that we will run so many formations and looks and use our O to our strength.,


As for shannys scheme. I think for us (fans) it was predictable, but not for other teams. We ran the same like 6 formations, but each one had like 20 different plays off of it. Afterall we did have the #2 offense, so it was not that predictable.

Still a fresh look will be nice. So will. Knowshon!

Actually it was the otherway we had six actual plays but had 20 odd fronts for folks to try to decifer.

Also that #2 offense mantra is tired. I read this morning in another thread that high powered O score just 3 points in it's 2 minute drill. If that is indeed true that is pretty pathetic.

It was posted today in one of todays BT threads.
#2 is great when it is not between the 20's.

[MasterShake]

Thank god the Lions did the 0-16 thing last year. That was something no team had done before. :lol:

I'm going to the Invesco training camp on the 5th, I'm pretty excited to see how everyone looks even if its just practice. Bring on September!!

[NightTrainLayne]

Actually it was the otherway we had six actual plays but had 20 odd fronts for folks to try to decifer.

Also that #2 offense mantra is tired. I read this morning in another thread that high powered O score just 3 points in it's 2 minute drill. If that is indeed true that is pretty pathetic.

It was posted today in one of todays BT threads.
#2 is great when it is not between the 20's.

That was this very article about only scoring three points in the two minute offense.

That really surprised me, but I don't doubt it. I knew that we had been anemic in scoring throughout the whole game, and didn't remember off-hand any scores in the two-minute offense, but 3 points is REALLY bad.

That used to be a strength of a Shanny coached team. Especially in the two-minutes before the half.

[MasterShake]

That was this very article about only scoring three points in the two minute offense.

That really surprised me, but I don't doubt it. I knew that we had been anemic in scoring throughout the whole game, and didn't remember off-hand any scores in the two-minute offense, but 3 points is REALLY bad.

That used to be a strength of a Shanny coached team. Especially in the two-minutes before the half.

I'm starting to wonder if Shanny is like Joe Gibbs where the game has just passed him by in many respects. Great in the 90's, but not willing to evolve much.

[Lonestar]

That was why I qualified it. I was shocked to see that stat. If true that was beyond pathetic.

I have to wonder how many folks will try to lay blame to anyone or thing besides not being focused on not be prepared.

[LRtagger]

Surely the 3 point stat isnt true. I would actually have to see how the stat reads, but the 8 points scored to beat SD were most definitely in the final 2 minutes.

Maybe the stat was we only SCORED three times in the final two minutes of halfs?

[Lonestar]

I'm starting to wonder if Shanny is like Joe Gibbs where the game has just passed him by in many respects. Great in the 90's, but not willing to evolve much.

His blind faith in ZBS, not paying attention on D, thinking he could make any) into a 1K runner. In short EGO overstepped ability to see the real issuses and there were MANY.

[Northman]

I think thats a little misleading though. Most of the time we could have kicked the FG. But being down so many points (usually) we had to take all 4 tries at the TD.

Also dont discount the fact that we had no RB to pound the ball in with, and other things too. No doubt its a pathetic stat. But i think there is more than meets the eye with it.


Yea, but our Redzone issues go farther back than just last year.

[elsid13]

Yea, but our Redzone issues go farther back than just last year.

That goes back to three things -transition in the oline due to injuries and age, the failure of the Henry experiment (they should have kept Mike Bell) and injuries to the running back corp last season.

Shanahan got oline finally back to were it could become an elite unit again and
running back issue most likely been resolved this off season.

[underrated29]

That goes back to three things -transition in the oline due to injuries and age, the failure of the Henry experiment (they should have kept Mike Bell) and injuries to the running back corp last season.

Shanahan got oline finally back to were it could become an elite unit again and
running back issue most likely been resolved this off season.



yes sir.

I will keep saying it, but every year we have had a runner that can break an arm tackle and somewhat push the pile we score lots and lots of tds and the team does well.

The times we dont (the last like 3 years) we have sucked pretty bad. No its not a law, but its more than a theory.

Mike anderson, reuben droughns, portis, mike bell, hillis,pittman- when those guys played we were able to score tds.

When we had tatum bell, selvin, andre (disappointed about him) and the other 200lb backs we could not cross the goal line.

[Lonestar]

yes sir.

I will keep saying it, but every year we have had a runner that can break an arm tackle and somewhat push the pile we score lots and lots of tds and the team does well.

The times we dont (the last like 3 years) we have sucked pretty bad. No its not a law, but its more than a theory.

Mike anderson, reuben droughns, portis, mike bell, hillis,pittman- when those guys played we were able to score tds.

When we had tatum bell, selvin, andre (disappointed about him) and the other 200lb backs we could not cross the goal line.

But you fail to see that it was mike that thought he could turn those late round small turds into another TD.

His insistence in fly wieght players on the oline. Had lepsis not been hurt we would still be with an average 292 on the oline.

[underrated29]

But you fail to see that it was mike that thought he could turn those late round small turds into another TD.

His insistence in fly wieght players on the oline. Had lepsis not been hurt we would still be with an average 292 on the oline.


And if lepsis stayed we would have drafted jonathon stewart instead of clady.

[honz]

I just want to say...that Jay Buttler sucks.

[Elevation inc]

i blame the defensive personnel on shanny. i blame the defensive woes on slowick and guys like mcree/manuel/koutivides/robertson etc.....i blame the offensive woes on jeremy im a idiot and dont know what a run is when it counts bates!!!!!!!


ultimaetly they all led to shannys undoing, but shanny finally lost status when he turned over his game and offense to a backyard know it all OC with no proven track record, and a d cordinator that had the worst track record of all DC's available.

Shanny is a genius, it was his moves and his decisions the last 2 years with personnel and coaches that led to his undoing....he is still and always will be a offensive genius....and i think when he comes back you wont see no 2 bit OC like bates calling plays for mike again....

believe it or not our team was run by bates and slowik last year on the field, and shanny held out hope things would fix themselves.....i guarentee last year will be the first and last time you see shanny make that mistake again......

[LRtagger]

When we had tatum bell, selvin, andre (disappointed about him) and the other 200lb backs we could not cross the goal line.


Actually, Tater put the ball in the endzone in 2005 which was the last year before Shanny began phasing out the run game in favor of the pass.

Is it any coincidence that our defense took a dump and we started losing games? We became a finesse offense and less of a power/ball control offense which was Shanny's bread and butter. IMO drafting Cutler and building the entire franchise around him was his downfall.

Check out these stats. Shanny completely dumped the running game which is a big reason the defense struggled over the last 3 years IMO.

YEAR: FIRST DOWNS VIA RUSH - FIRST DOWNS VIA PASS - RUSH TDs - PASS TDs

2005: 145 - 162 - 25 - 18

2006: 106 -151 - 12 - 20

2007: 96 -187 - 22 - 21

2008: 103 - 223 - 15 - 25


You can see the two years where Cutler started all games Mike almost completely relied on the pass for first downs and scoring. It is my opinion that Mike was so enamored by Jay's arm that he just wanted to continue throwing constantly. It was the EXACT OPPOSITE of the 4 most successful years under Shanny (96, 97, 98, 05)

[NightTrainLayne]

Actually, Tater put the ball in the endzone in 2005 which was the last year before Shanny began phasing out the run game in favor of the pass.

Is it any coincidence that our defense took a dump and we started losing games? We became a finesse offense and less of a power/ball control offense which was Shanny's bread and butter. IMO drafting Cutler and building the entire franchise around him was his downfall.

Check out these stats. Shanny completely dumped the running game which is a big reason the defense struggled over the last 3 years IMO.

YEAR: FIRST DOWNS VIA RUSH - FIRST DOWNS VIA PASS - RUSH TDs - PASS TDs

2005: 145 - 162 - 25 - 18

2006: 106 -151 - 12 - 20

2007: 96 -187 - 22 - 21

2008: 103 - 223 - 15 - 25


You can see the two years where Cutler started all games Mike almost completely relied on the pass for first downs and scoring. It is my opinion that Mike was so enamored by Jay's arm that he just wanted to continue throwing constantly. It was the EXACT OPPOSITE of the 4 most successful years under Shanny (96, 97, 98, 05)

Is THaT YoU ZAMbinI?

:lol:

[rationalfan]

yes sir.

I will keep saying it, but every year we have had a runner that can break an arm tackle and somewhat push the pile we score lots and lots of tds and the team does well.

The times we dont (the last like 3 years) we have sucked pretty bad. No its not a law, but its more than a theory.

Mike anderson, reuben droughns, portis, mike bell, hillis,pittman- when those guys played we were able to score tds.

When we had tatum bell, selvin, andre (disappointed about him) and the other 200lb backs we could not cross the goal line.


but didn't the broncos' offense average something like 4.3 yards per carry last year? that's still a pretty good running attack. and to suggest that hillis or pittman couldn't pound through a hole is just inaccurate. moreso than anything, there was a philosophical shift in play calling.

[Tned]

McDaniels is going to make all the naysayers sound like they belonged in an insane asylum in December.

Nothing would make me happier. Well, maybe hitting the Power Ball, but other than that, nothing.

[OrangeHoof]

Sounds like "Hope and Change" aka "Smoke and Mirrors".

I do remember how completely flummoxed the Dolphins made the Patriots look in New England last fall. The Patriots looked like football was a new experience for them.

[Tned]

On offense, I think it all comes down to:

1. Can our personell quickly learn McDaniel's reportedly complicated offense.
2. Can Orton be a solid QB in this system.

Then on D, can we at least be a middle of the pack defense. If 1 and 2 turn out good, and we are a middle of the pack or better defense, then we could win a lot more games than most expect.

[T.K.O.]

On offense, I think it all comes down to:

1. Can our personell quickly learn McDaniel's reportedly complicated offense.
2. Can Orton be a solid QB in this system.

Then on D, can we at least be a middle of the pack defense. If 1 and 2 turn out good, and we are a middle of the pack or better defense, then we could win a lot more games than most expect.

YES ! to all the above... i truly think the reason mcD was willing to deal cutler was because he wants just what he said in the interview "an accurate qb who will run his system"
and i know its not flashy or very popular,but i believe orton is better suited for that type of play.
and apparently so does mcD. let cutler have his wild shoot-outs and 4500 yds.i just want to watch the broncos baffle opposing D's and win 13 games.
i could care less if orton throws 4 td's in one game as long as knowshon pounds in a couple,with hillis blocking for him we should see 20+ td's from our running game !

[Lonestar]

Sounds like "Hope and Change" aka "Smoke and Mirrors".

I do remember how completely flummoxed the Dolphins made the Patriots look in New England last fall. The Patriots looked like football was a new experience for them.


IIRC that was one of the first games of the year IF not the first, it had never been used before in NFL and after that the tricks did not work out so well after the other teams had seen it.. it was mildly successful for the next few games but later in the year not hardly at all..

[Lonestar]

On offense, I think it all comes down to:

1. Can our personell quickly learn McDaniel's reportedly complicated offense.
2. Can Orton be a solid QB in this system.

Then on D, can we at least be a middle of the pack defense. If 1 and 2 turn out good, and we are a middle of the pack or better defense, then we could win a lot more games than most expect.

that is how I see it.. the offense is pretty much intact from last year.. SAVE QB and RB but in the RB dept there were so many that the OLINE really never had a chance to get used to them..

but the OLINE and almost all of the receivers all need to learn a new scheme and While I think they will be jsut OK in the first games it will be nothing like near the EOS..

as for the D it is brand spanking new so any hope for it to be cohesive is totally gonzo..

I do feel that by the mid point in the season, that both units will be much improved in cohesiveness and the D should be flat much better in playing D.. but there are going to be break downs in coverage from time to time instead of just flat most of the time under slowitt..

[Lonestar]

YES ! to all the above... i truly think the reason mcD was willing to deal cutler was because he wants just what he said in the interview "an accurate qb who will run his system"
and i know its not flashy or very popular,but i believe orton is better suited for that type of play.
and apparently so does mcD. let cutler have his wild shoot-outs and 4500 yds.i just want to watch the broncos baffle opposing D's and win 13 games.
i could care less if orton throws 4 td's in one game as long as knowshon pounds in a couple,with hillis blocking for him we should see 20+ td's from our running game !


well I hope that Josh will not run Moreno into the ground like mike did TD.. while most RB like to get more carries anything over 23 or so a game is cutting their life span in the NFL.. Especially someone like Moreno who carried it a lot in college..

having a nice balanced attack for most games would be really nice.. and as it stands right now we have a lot of RB to share the load..

[elsid13]

well I hope that Josh will not run Moreno into the ground like mike did TD.. while most RB like to get more carries anything over 23 or so a game is cutting their life span in the NFL.. Especially someone like Moreno who carried it a lot in college..

having a nice balanced attack for most games would be really nice.. and as it stands right now we have a lot of RB to share the load..

How did Shanahan run TD into the ground?????? Are you blaming the injury on Shanahan?

[Lonestar]

How did Shanahan run TD into the ground?????? Are you blaming the injury on Shanahan?


not per sebut after wards when he was rehabbing it was clear to the doctors because of all the usage most of his cartilage with toast..

And BTW every time a RB takes a hard hit a little damage is done to some part of his body....

is that clearer?

[elsid13]

not per sebut after wards when he was rehabbing it was clear to the doctors because of all the usage most of his cartilage with toast..

And BTW every time a RB takes a hard hit a little damage is done to some part of his body....

is that clearer?

That the nature of the position. That why I against using 1st draft pick on any running back, they don't last that long and you can find guys later in the draft that are just as effective as any first rounder.

[Lonestar]

That the nature of the position. That why I against using 1st draft pick on any running back, they don't last that long and you can find guys later in the draft that are just as effective as any first rounder.


but we really do not know this do we.. most of our RB's in the past have been OK nothing really special had it not been for the OLINE and ZBS.. well few of them would have seen any service in the NFL..

none that have left have done much to speak of..

now that we are going to run the spread mostly from a shotgun I suspect having a top flight RB will be a better deal than a tater tot RB.....

I personally would have rather taken a couple of DL types in round one but that did not happen.. and for the time being I'm going to trust this working group have more on the ball than the last group did.. they certainly had more holes to fill after the last groups departure..

until proven other wise I will believe his team knows what they are doing..

[elsid13]

but we really do not know this do we.. most of our RB's in the past have been OK nothing really special had it not been for the OLINE and ZBS.. well few of them would have seen any service in the NFL..

none that have left have done much to speak of..

now that we are going to run the spread mostly from a shotgun I suspect having a top flight RB will be a better deal than a tater tot RB.....

I personally would have rather taken a couple of DL types in round one but that did not happen.. and for the time being I'm going to trust this working group have more on the ball than the last group did.. they certainly had more holes to fill after the last groups departure..

until proven other wise I will believe his team knows what they are doing..

Denver is not going to exclusive spread look we will see more a two TE look then folks think. Denver is still going to use the ZBS as the underling system with some more traps and pulls(which Shanahan, Dennison and Turner already were incorporating into the system). I think people are going to be surprise how similar running attack looks like what Shanahan did.

There really nothing ground breaking with what McDaniels is doing.

[Lonestar]

I think your the one that will be surprised. If we run 2 te one will be in motion or split out wide trying to make mismatches.

He is not going to abandon what. He knows and got him the job.

[rcsodak]

Not to mention, Belicheck repeatedly stated that the one person he feared the most, was Shanahan. Considering Belicheck can be considered the best defensive mind in NFL history, I would say there is a reason for his comments.

Change is often very good for a team. Thats what we have to hang our hat on right now.

If that's the case, then Tom Cable is heading to theh HoF! :coffee:

And every other sub-.500 coach that beat shanny.

[rcsodak]

That was this very article about only scoring three points in the two minute offense.

That really surprised me, but I don't doubt it. I knew that we had been anemic in scoring throughout the whole game, and didn't remember off-hand any scores in the two-minute offense, but 3 points is REALLY bad.

That used to be a strength of a Shanny coached team. Especially in the two-minutes before the half.

And to think that Denver's ex-surefire HoF QB, cut-n-run'er, was under Center! Alongside his trusty sidekick, and PB WR'er, Bmarsh!

WOW!!!!!! Right? :eek:

[dogfish]

McDaniels: WE WILL DO THINGS OTHER TEAMS HAVE NEVER DONE.


oh, man-- the opportunities for sarcastic jokes are almost limitless! so much so that i can't even pick one, so i'm just going to let it pass. . .

seriously though. . . forget doing things no team has ever done, we don't need to reinvent the wheel here! how about just doing something that every great team does, and get some ****ing pass rush? that'd be super. . . .

[dogfish]

well I hope that Josh will not run Moreno into the ground like mike did TD..


even if it gets us two super bowls?

[CrazyHorse]

I like what I'm hearing. I don't think we need a gigantic library of plays however. The right play for the situation works best.
Then again changing things up every week will keep teams guessing.
He's definitely bring Bellichick's approach to defense to our offense.
No team has ever went 19-0!

[underrated29]

but didn't the broncos' offense average something like 4.3 yards per carry last year? that's still a pretty good running attack. and to suggest that hillis or pittman couldn't pound through a hole is just inaccurate. moreso than anything, there was a philosophical shift in play calling.


No my friend, i think you got my post a little twisted.

Hillis and Pittman COULD pound it through a hole. Infact those guys dont need a hole. They make their own hole. And the games inwhich those players played we rushed for over 100 yards, and we scored TDs.

Just like when we had Mike Anderson, reuben Droughns, Portis, TD.

Games in which we had tatum bell, selvin young, andre hall- we still rushed for a nice ypc. 4.3, 5.4- whatever...But yards are not the same as TDs. And those guys failed to get TDs when we needed to punch it in in the red zone.


A philosophy change did occur and it played a part. But over time, when we have had a RB who can grind out and pick up the tough yards. (goalline, 3rd and 1, etc) we succeeded. When we didnt have that type of runner, we had to pass or did not succeed when we ran.

[rcsodak]

oh, man-- the opportunities for sarcastic jokes are almost limitless! so much so that i can't even pick one, so i'm just going to let it pass. . .

seriously though. . . forget doing things no team has ever done, we don't need to reinvent the wheel here! how about just doing something that every great team does, and get some ****ing pass rush? that'd be super. . . .

:rolleyes:

Picky....Picky....Picky!

:coffee:

[dogfish]

:rolleyes:

Picky....Picky....Picky!

:coffee:



i know. . . me and my unreasonable demands that we develop a pass rush! the nerve of some people. . . . :tsk:

[rcsodak]

No my friend, i think you got my post a little twisted.

Hillis and Pittman COULD pound it through a hole. Infact those guys dont need a hole. They make their own hole. And the games inwhich those players played we rushed for over 100 yards, and we scored TDs.

Just like when we had Mike Anderson, reuben Droughns, Portis, TD.

Games in which we had tatum bell, selvin young, andre hall- we still rushed for a nice ypc. 4.3, 5.4- whatever...But yards are not the same as TDs. And those guys failed to get TDs when we needed to punch it in in the red zone.


A philosophy change did occur and it played a part. But over time, when we have had a RB who can grind out and pick up the tough yards. (goalline, 3rd and 1, etc) we succeeded. When we didnt have that type of runner, we had to pass or did not succeed when we ran.

Hard to believe, isn't it....


...that they didn't win the SB last year.

What, with a sure-fire HoF QB and all.....





:laugh:

[hotcarl]

did anyone say - at least 0-16 is off the table??

if so, move on, i didnt read a single word of this thread - and as to all the bean counters and wannabes -i will NOT be mocked on these forums

GOOD DAY SIRS
:welcome:

[T.K.O.]

did anyone say - at least 0-16 is off the table??

if so, move on, i didnt read a single word of this thread - and as to all the bean counters and wannabes -i will NOT be mocked on these forums

GOOD DAY SIRS
:welcome:

yes somebody did say that....and i must say by your admission that you didnt read one word,you sir have mocked the entire thread,board and each of its participating members !
sooooooo.....you should now be mocked by everyone who read your post.
i'll go first.....mock ....mock:welcome:

[topscribe]

No my friend, i think you got my post a little twisted.

Hillis and Pittman COULD pound it through a hole. Infact those guys dont need a hole. They make their own hole. And the games inwhich those players played we rushed for over 100 yards, and we scored TDs.

Just like when we had Mike Anderson, reuben Droughns, Portis, TD.

Games in which we had tatum bell, selvin young, andre hall- we still rushed for a nice ypc. 4.3, 5.4- whatever...But yards are not the same as TDs. And those guys failed to get TDs when we needed to punch it in in the red zone.


A philosophy change did occur and it played a part. But over time, when we have had a RB who can grind out and pick up the tough yards. (goalline, 3rd and 1, etc) we succeeded. When we didnt have that type of runner, we had to pass or did not succeed when we ran.

Rationalfan agrees with you. Take a look at what he said again: to say they
could not not pound through a hole is inaccurate. :)

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[underrated29]

Rationalfan agrees with you. Take a look at what he said again: to say they
could not not pound through a hole is inaccurate. :)

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Top quit being so wise and intelligent. If i want to argue and disagree with a guy who agrees with me i will!

:D

[horsepig]

The really big problem here is that no matter how smart or aggressive this year's team is' it still is basically an expansion team in character and talent on defense. We do have a head start on offense.

[atwater27]

McDaniels: WE WILL DO THINGS OTHER TEAMS HAVE NEVER DONE.

You mean like pissing off a bonafide franchise QB and trading him right after you get hired?

[topscribe]

The really big problem here is that no matter how smart or aggressive this year's team is' it still is basically an expansion team in character and talent on defense. We do have a head start on offense.

Are Champ, Dawkins, Hill, Goodman, D.J., Doom, Crowder, Woodyard, Alphonso,
Ayers, and Thomas of expansion quality? Which of them is deficient in character?

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[Lonestar]

McDaniels: WE WILL DO THINGS OTHER TEAMS HAVE NEVER DONE.

You mean like pissing off a bonafide franchise QB and trading him right after you get hired?

While many announcers say he is a franchise QB and bronco fanatics tend to buy this hook line and sinker. Not everyone does. To great players and head coaches in Dungy and Ditka think that to be true.

Franchise QB tend not to be whinny piss ants and actually do something more than inflate there own stats. To enhance his own monetary position over the teams needs.

Be outraged in two years if is is indeed one instaed of the jeff george that I believe him to be.

Sent via Blackberry.

[Timmy!]

All BS aside, I think we can be pretty damn good on offense. We have weapons at WR and TE, a great O-line, and now a stud rookie RB (along with Hillis/buck/etc at rb). I honestly can't see how the defense can get worse.....I mean really, it's not effing possible. Even just the DC change should help, how can it not? We could of had a ball tumbler select random defensive plays last year and it would probably have been better than the product on the field. Sure the schedule looks brutal but things have a way of changing, lasts years soft schedule suddenly got a lot harder throughout the year. With the great O-line I just hope we have a very very solid commitment to the running game. We have more than enough backs to get this done. Running game, short passing, and taking the occasional long shot to keep the D honest. Things are not near as bad as some would like to think in Bronco land. I'll go on record for 7-9/8-8, but it would not surprise me if the Broncos are this years Falcons/Dolphins.

[sneakers]

I am so excited about this. I think part of the reason Denver has become so stagnant is their predictability under Shanahan. Defenses knew when we were going to run, pass, take a crap, etc. Now, no team is going to know what we are going to bring out and i think that will surprise a lot of people this coming year.

Yeah, right...about 4 years ago we had more bootlegs than a street kiosk in Bangkok...we had defenses guessing every play.

[Nomad]

While many announcers say he is a franchise QB and bronco fanatics tend to buy this hook line and sinker. Not everyone does. To great players and head coaches in Dungy and Ditka think that to be true.

Franchise QB tend not to be whinny piss ants and actually do something more than inflate there own stats. To enhance his own monetary position over the teams needs.

Be outraged in two years if is is indeed one instaed of the jeff george that I believe him to be.

Sent via Blackberry.


True! Cutler could have made it work if he wanted to. He didn't want to be a BRONCO plain and simple after Shanahan left just like Marshall doesn't want to be a BRONCO and I don't see him in the orange and blue after this season. :ohwell:

[Superchop 7]

I just wish he would shut up.

[rcsodak]

While many announcers say he is a franchise QB and bronco fanatics tend to buy this hook line and sinker. Not everyone does. To great players and head coaches in Dungy and Ditka think that to be true.

Franchise QB tend not to be whinny piss ants and actually do something more than inflate there own stats. To enhance his own monetary position over the teams needs.

Be outraged in two years if is is indeed one instaed of the jeff george that I believe him to be.

Sent via Blackberry.

What I find rather interesting, is the fact that up until getting traded to the Bears, Cutler never received very much hype. Sure, they would expound on his 'strong arm', but that was pretty much it.

NOW, though, that he's in the NFC Central, WATCH OUT! His name is bantered around in every article. He's being compared to every great QB. His smarts are unquestioned, and his football prowess is undeniable.

Gee.....to think that it must have been Shanny/Bmarsh/Royal & co. that was holding him back. :coffee:

[Lonestar]

what i find rather interesting, is the fact that up until getting traded to the bears, cutler never received very much hype. Sure, they would expound on his 'strong arm', but that was pretty much it.

Now, though, that he's in the nfc central, watch out! His name is bantered around in every article. He's being compared to every great qb. His smarts are unquestioned, and his football prowess is undeniable.

Gee.....to think that it must have been shanny/bmarsh/royal & co. That was holding him back. :coffee:
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[atwater27]

so much hate.

[rcsodak]

so much hate.

and so little time.