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Lonestar
07-25-2009, 01:43 PM
Broncos 2008 Salaries
Rk Player Salary (US$)
1 Champ Bailey $8,003,050
5 Jay Cutler $6,497,500 now in CHI
2 Brandon Stokley $6,060,000
3 Boss Bailey $5,105,000
4 Dewayne Robertson $4,000,000
5 Ben Hamilton $3,460,000
6 Andra Davis $3,200,000
7 Brian Dawkins $3,003,120
8 Kyle Orton $2,800,000
9 Ebenezer Ekuban $2,716,480
10 John Engelberger $2,671,480
11 Eddie Royal $2,539,830
12 Jarvis Moss $2,460,000
13 Tom Nalen $2,456,360
14 Andre' Goodman $2,455,520
15 Nate Jackson $2,086,000
16 Jabar Gaffney $2,006,720
17 Darrell Jackson $2,000,000
18 LaMont Jordan $2,000,000
19 Renaldo Hill $1,955,640
20 Jamie Winborn $1,750,000
21 Ryan Clady $1,713,000
22 Nick Greisen $1,655,040
23 Casey Wiegmann $1,605,000
24 Nate Webster $1,430,000
25 Marquand Manuel $1,256,000
26 Chris Simms $1,005,000
27 Correll Buckhalter $1,001,560
28 Darrell Reid $930,840
29 Daniel Graham $900,000
30 Lonie Paxton $884,200
31 D.J. Williams $875,000
32 Louis Green $856,480
33 Michael Pittman $832,400
34 Kory Lichtensteiger $780,250
35 Jack Williams $745,200
36 Tim Crowder $710,480
37 Jeb Putzier $650,160
38 Brandon Gorin $649,560
39 Brandon Lloyd $645,000
40 Tony Scheffler $612,480
41 Kenny Peterson $611,360
42 Vernon Fox $605,000
43 Clifford Russell $605,000
44 Josh Shaw $605,000
45 Scott Young $526,720
46 Edell Shepherd $526,480
47 Ronald Fields $525,400
48 J.J. Arrington $524,920
49 Ryan Torain $493,000
50 Carlton Powell $475,263
51 Chris Kuper $451,480
52 Elvis Dumervil $451,360
53 Herana-Daze Jones $450,640
54 Brandon Marshall $448,000
55 Spencer Larsen $392,525
56 Nic Clemons $376,480
57 Ryan Harris $376,480
58 Matt Prater $376,360
59 Marcus Thomas $376,240
60 Selvin Young $376,240
61 Andre Hall $376,120
62 Darius Walker $370,000
63 Peyton Hillis $344,800
64 Cory Boyd $338,900
65 Tyler Polumbus $317,000
66 Wesley Woodyard $315,000
67 Brett Kern $310,000
NFL Team Payrolls
Rk Player Salary (US$)
1 Saints $144,468,940
2 Raiders $140,860,251
3 Cowboys $131,809,525
4 Bears $130,391,959
5 Vikings $128,673,885
6 Browns $127,197,940
7 Bills $126,107,687
8 Dolphins $125,270,025
9 49ers $124,240,379
10 Giants $123,537,040
11 Titans $121,885,520
12 Steelers $119,176,821
13 Jets $117,379,384
14 Texans $115,084,498
15 Eagles $112,941,158
16 Redskins $112,603,077
17 Cardinals $111,427,270
18 Bengals $108,073,720
19 Jaguars $107,978,567
20 Patriots $106,522,840
21 Rams $106,407,980
22 Chargers $105,229,500
23 Panthers $101,123,111
24 Seahawks $100,239,190
25 Lions $99,736,724
26 Buccaneers $96,932,871
27 Broncos $94,412,618
28 Ravens $93,886,305
29 Falcons $93,869,125
30 Chiefs $92,245,719
31 Packers $91,935,090
32 Colts $91,055,535

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/denver-broncos/salary

Tned
07-25-2009, 01:47 PM
Wow, only 53 Broncos making more than Marshall. How many guys on an NFL roster? :confused:

Yes, I know his '09 salary will be higher, but the last two years he has been one of the biggest bargains in the NFL.

Ravage!!!
07-25-2009, 01:57 PM
look at some of the people on that list are higher.. amazing.

Tned
07-25-2009, 02:06 PM
look at some of the people on that list are higher.. amazing.

Last year, at various times during training camp and the season, I believe there were 7 or 8 WR's on the team making more than Marshall. The ONLY WR not making more was Glen Martinez, who made the same as Marshall.

Lonestar
07-25-2009, 02:18 PM
he did more than his rookie contract, he agreed to, many did not..
a chance that he took when signing the contract..
as well as the broncos taking a chance on him..

I'm guessing if he can get the other part of life together they will take another chance on him..

the ball is NOW in his court..

Lonestar
08-06-2009, 08:40 PM
I just read that there are about four picks that were taken before or after Crabtree that seem to be waiting to see what SF and Crabtree do before they agree to a deal and Moreno is one of them. If that's true, then it could be a while, since SF and Crabtree seem pretty far apart.

The 3rd and 4th overall picks have not signed (Jackson and Curry respectively). The 6th overall pick Andre Smith has not signed. Then the 8th overall through the 12th overall have not signed (Monroe, Raji, Crabtree, Maybin and Moreno in that order). Then the 14th overall pick (Jenkins) has not signed. Everyone else from 15th to 32nd pick have all signed. To me it doesn't make sense that two of the top 5 picks are waiting on Crabtree. Although Maybin who was taken just ahead of Moreno isn't signed but Orakpo who taken right after is signed. This is stinking to high heaven in my opinion.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d810d9ec2&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

1. Matthew Stafford QB Detroit Signed 6 years, $72 million ($41.7M guaranteed)
2. Jason Smith OT St. Louis Signed 5 years, $61.775 million ($33M guaranteed)
3. Tyson Jackson DE Kansas City Unsigned
4. Aaron Curry LB Seattle Unsigned
5. Mark Sanchez QB N.Y. Jets Signed 5 years, $60 million ($28M guaranteed)
6. Andre Smith OT Cincinnati Unsigned
7. Darrius Heyward-Bey WR Oakland Signed 5 years, $38.25 million ($23.5M guaranteed)
8. Eugene Monroe OT Jacksonville Unsigned
9. B.J. Raji DT Green Bay Unsigned
10. Michael Crabtree WR San Francisco Unsigned
11. Aaron Maybin DE Buffalo Unsigned
12. Knowshon Moreno RB Denver Unsigned
13. Brian Orakpo DE Washington Signed 5 years, $20 million ($12.1M guaranteed)
14. Malcolm Jenkins CB New Orleans Unsigned
15. Brian Cushing LB Houston Signed 5 years, $14 million ($10.44M guaranteed)
16. Larry English DE San Diego Signed 5 years, $17.8 million ($9.9M guaranteed)
17. Josh Freeman QB Tampa Bay Signed 5 years, $36 million (10.25M guaranteed)
18. Robert Ayers LB Denver Signed 5 years
19. Jeremy Maclin WR Philadelphia Signed 5 years, $15.5 million ($9.5M guaranteed)
20. Brandon Pettigrew TE Detroit Signed 5 years, $14.6 million ($9.4M guaranteed)
21. Alex Mack C Cleveland Signed 5 years, $15 million ($8.3M guaranteed)
22. Percy Harvin WR Minnesota Signed 5 years, $14.25 million ($8.4M guaranteed)
23. Michael Oher OT Baltimore Signed 5 years, $13 million ($7.82M guaranteed)
24. Peria Jerry DT Atlanta Signed 5 years, $13.25 million ($7.55M guaranteed)
25. Vontae Davis CB Miami Signed 5 years, $13.3 million ($7.35M guaranteed)
26. Clay Matthews LB Green Bay Signed 5 years, $13.2 million ($7.1M guaranteed)
27. Donald Brown RB Indianapolis Signed 5 years, $12.8 million ($6.8M guaranteed)
28. Eric Wood C Buffalo Signed 5 years, $13 million ($6.5M guaranteed)
29. Hakeem Nicks WR N.Y. Giants Signed 5 years, $12.54 million ($6M guaranteed)
30. Kenny Britt WR Tennessee Signed 5 years, $12.25 million ($6.5M guaranteed)
31. Chris "Beanie" Wells RB Arizona Signed 5 years, $11.8 million ($6.345M guaranteed)
32. Evander "Ziggy" Hood DT Pittsburgh Signed 5 years, $11.3 million ($6.1M guaranteed)




Contract figures compiled by NFL Network's Jason La Canfora, NFL.com's Steve Wyche and The Associated Press.

Tned
08-06-2009, 08:48 PM
One reason Crabtree is holding up other signings is that Crabtree and his agent want to challenge the slotting system. Typically, the 10th player gets more than the 11th, who gets more than the 12th, etc.

Crabtree's agent seems to be taking a position that he 'should' have been the first receiver taken, and therefore should be based on that, not based on where he was drafted or something along those lines.

Lonestar
08-06-2009, 09:10 PM
One reason Crabtree is holding up other signings is that Crabtree and his agent want to challenge the slotting system. Typically, the 10th player gets more than the 11th, who gets more than the 12th, etc.

Crabtree's agent seems to be taking a position that he 'should' have been the first receiver taken, and therefore should be based on that, not based on where he was drafted or something along those lines.


just posted that in the other thread.. all WR should be drown at birth..

excepting perhaps Eddie Mac they are all head cases..

frenchfan
08-10-2009, 07:48 AM
Again, I'll show my lack of knowledge on some matters :D...

JR, we are 27th about payrolls... How does it affect our salary cap? I mean, does that mean we have more room than many other teams?
Though I do understand the concept of salary cap, I think I have some troubles to understand how it works actually...

TIA !

:beer:

frauschieze
08-10-2009, 10:43 AM
Again, I'll show my lack of knowledge on some matters :D...

JR, we are 27th about payrolls... How does it affect our salary cap? I mean, does that mean we have more room than many other teams?
Though I do understand the concept of salary cap, I think I have some troubles to understand how it works actually...

TIA !

:beer:

Actual payroll and what counts against the salary cap are two different numbers.

The easiest way for me to explain the salary cap is to give a simple example:

Player XXX agrees to a 5 year contract with a signing bonus of $15 million. Each year, he is scheduled to make $7 million. The signing bonus, as the name implies, is paid to player XXX immediately. But the team has the option to spread that bonus out over the life of the contract. So instead of applying the full $15 million to the salary cap the first year, a team can apply $3 million each year.

Salary cap:
Year 1:...$10 million ($7 million in salary, $3 million in signing bonus)
Year 2:...$10 million
Year 3:...$10 million
Year 4:...$10 million
Year 5:...$10 million

Actual Payroll:
Year 1:...$22 million
Year 2:...$7 million
Year 3:...$7 million
Year 4:...$7 million
Year 5:...$7 million

Now, let's say player XXX is cut between Year 2 & 3. There is $9 million in signing bonus ($3 million for year 3, $3 million for year 4 and $3 million for year 5) that has not been applied to the cap and the player is no longer here. So the entire $9 million is applied in year 3, and is known as "dead cap space".

Salary cap:
Year 1:...$10 million
Year 2:...$10 million
Year 3:...$9 million

Actual payroll:
Year 1:...$22 million
Year 2:...$7 million
Year 3:...$0

Now, if player XXX is designated as a post June 1st cut, the team has the option of splitting the remaining signing bonus to be applied to the cap between the next two years:

Salary cap:
Year 1:...$10 Million
Year 2:...$10 million
Year 3:...$4.5 million
Year 4:...$4.5 million

Actual payroll:
Year 1:...$22 million
Year 2:...$7 million
Year 3:...$0
Year 4:...$0

I hope that helps clear things up for you. Let me know if you've got any questions.

topscribe
08-10-2009, 10:56 AM
Wow, only 53 Broncos making more than Marshall. How many guys on an NFL roster? :confused:

Yes, I know his '09 salary will be higher, but the last two years he has been one of the biggest bargains in the NFL.

I know Marshall started off as a 4th rounder, and the FO wants to be assured
of some things before they pay anything smacking of "elite" money, but BMarsh
sure as hell has merited better pay than that, IMO.

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MasterShake
08-10-2009, 11:05 AM
This reminds me of an article of the cost per win per team:


More Moneyball: The Economics of Winning and Losing
Colts Ranked 2nd Best in NFL for Cost Per Win
By Jason La CanforaESPN.com
9:58 AM EDT, June 30, 2009
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Last week we looked at the raw numbers of what each team in the NFL spent from 2004-08, with the clear indication being that many of the most successful organizations spent in the middle of the pack, while several of the top five spending teams suffered.

Now, we're going to rank the teams in terms of "bang for their buck" -- how much each club spent per win the past five seasons. The sheer disparity between, say, what the New England Patriots spent on each victory, versus the Oakland Raiders at the bottom of the list, indicated the inefficiencies in dollar terms. And remember, this is not salary cap spending, this is actual dollars as per the NFL Management Council.

Read: Colts 2009 Team Preview

Okay, here's the list:

Team Wins Committed Cash Cost Per Win

1.) Patriots 63 512.31M 8.14 M

2.) Colts 63 532.77 M 8.44 M

3.) Chargers 54 485.46 M 8.99 M

4.) Steelers 56 516.69 M 9.22 M

5.) Broncos 47 485.40 M 10.37 M

6.) Giants 47 497.63 M 10.58 M

7.) Jaguars 45 480.06 M 10.66 M

8. ) Eagles 46 495.75 M 10.77 M

9.) Bears 45 495.57 M 11.01 M

10.) Packers 41 457.16 M 11.15 M

11.) Panthers 45 516.09 M 11.46 M

12.) Ravens 44 507.05 M 11.52 M

13.) Titans 40 465.28 M 11.63 M

14.) Bucs 38 449.00 M 11.81 M

15.) Seahawks 45 552.42 M 12.27 M

16.) Falcons 41 493.07 M 12.07 M

17.) Cowboys 46 566.89 M 12.32 M

18.) Vikings 41 526.87 M 12.85 M

19.) Bengals 38 491.05 M 12.92 M

20.) Jets 37 502.53 M 13.58 M

21.) Bills 35 483.71 M 13.82 M

22.) Chiefs 32 451.58 M 14.11 M

23.) Saints 36 518.49 M 14.40 M

24.) Redskins 38 547.37 M 14.40 M

25.) Cardinals 34 505.30 M 14.86 M

26.) Dolphins 31 500.56 M 16.14 M

27.) Texans 31 522.23 M 16.84 M

28.) Browns 28 506.43 M 18.08 M

29.) Rams 27 502.08 M 18.59 M

30.) 49ers 25 486. 40 M 19.45 M

31.) Lions 21 505.04 M 24.04 M

32.) Raiders 20 513.21 M 25.66 M

The bottom quarter of the league all spent roughly twice as much per win as the Pats, and all of those clubs, save the Houston Texans, have made coaching and/or management changes in the past year (it also explains why some believe this is a make-or-break season for the Houston brass). The Raiders are, in these terms, three-times as poorly operated as the Patriots.

It's hard not to look at the list and throw some love at the front offices in San Diego and Jacksonville, hanging with the big boys despite their low spending. It's also interesting to me that a few of the clubs at the top -- Denver and Jacksonville -- have had front office shakeups in the past year or so, despite that success (the knock that ex-Broncos chief Mike Shanahan was a wayward spender does not hold up here; clearly they had some personnel decisions backfire, but the team is among the elite in dollar/win since 2004).

Lonestar
08-10-2009, 02:03 PM
This reminds me of an article of the cost per win per team:

that was a great find..

I have been one of those most vocal about mike and his lousy drafting and even more so about the dead cap space we carried almost every years he was in charge in some years it was almost 20% of the cap.. most of the time it was 10-15 mil per year with some of the bust FAs we tried and failed with..

I also have to say, while it was not dead space on draftees, many that did not really play or play to their draft status he gave them, while they were on active roles they certainly did not live up to the money they got..

I would love to see the numbers in this particular area do you know where to finds something like that.. perhaps I'm all wet about this..

Devilspawn
08-10-2009, 03:52 PM
One reason Crabtree is holding up other signings is that Crabtree and his agent want to challenge the slotting system. Typically, the 10th player gets more than the 11th, who gets more than the 12th, etc.

Crabtree's agent seems to be taking a position that he 'should' have been the first receiver taken, and therefore should be based on that, not based on where he was drafted or something along those lines.
.......:lol:

Lonestar
08-10-2009, 04:07 PM
.......:lol:

I'm a firm believer that that babies that have the potential to be WR should be drown at birth..;)

I think it must be all the hits to the head they take, something is wrong with that species..

frenchfan
08-11-2009, 02:03 AM
I hope that helps clear things up for you. Let me know if you've got any questions.Thank you frau ! :kiss:

It's much clearer now... Though I have to admit I have a headache now :laugh:

Bisous to you... :naughty:

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