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NorthernLights
07-13-2009, 04:52 PM
And you said the OTA's were worthless. They obviously saw enough to cut him before he even signed a contract. Incredible. :laugh:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/07/13/raiders-waive-sixth-round-pick/


Raiders waive sixth-round pick
Posted by Mike Florio on July 13, 2009 4:53 PM
The Oakland Raiders have found a new way to avoid holdouts by rookie draft picks.

The solution? Cut them.

A league source tells us that the Raiders have waived defensive end Stryker Sulak, a sixth-round pick in the 2009 draft.

The formal designation was "waived/unsigned."

So, basically, the Raiders have cut Sulak before his rookie training camp. Said the source, "I've never seen that happen before."

But the tactic is permitted. Teams are required only to tender one-year contracts for the rookie minimum to their draft picks. Even if the draft pick were to sign the one-year tender, the team would still have the ability to terminate the non-guaranteed deal.

Sulak was the 26th player picked in round six, and the 199th overall in the draft. The Raiders selected Sulak with a draft pick obtained from the Patriots.

The reason for the Raiders' decision to cut Sulak isn't known. Yet

MOtorboat
07-13-2009, 04:54 PM
:pound:

Could this go down as "worst draft ever?"

underrated29
07-13-2009, 05:08 PM
GOD I love playing in the AFCW!

I bet the raiders could make more money running pools on the next stupid ass move they make....

Get a calender out folks. I have 20 bucks on Aug 4th. I think they will sign Mike Vick, and on August 30th they will cut fargas.

OaklandRaider
07-13-2009, 05:11 PM
He wouldn't of made the roster anyway. We are loaded with DE's.

Ellis
Burgess
Scott
Shaughnesey
Richardson
Gunheim
Slade Norris

Still odd to see a rookie cut before camp starts, he must've really sucked in OTAs

Thnikkaman
07-13-2009, 05:20 PM
What a waste of a draft pick obtained from another team.

Devilspawn
07-13-2009, 05:22 PM
Denver's moves are still knee slappers compared to this. This one is just plain weird.

EMB6903
07-13-2009, 06:30 PM
lol this is what makes the Raiders such a joke... I remember in the 2007 draft they drafted Quentin Moses with the 65th overall pick and cut him before the season even started, The Raiders are the worst franchise in the league... I really do think the Lions have more upside with the roster they have

NorthernLights
07-13-2009, 06:45 PM
But wait, there's more:


No explanation from Raiders on decision to cut rookie draft pick

Following the Oakland Raiders' surprising decision to cut ties with sixth-round rookie defensive end Stryker Sulak, which Mike Florio reported earlier today, a source close to the situation tells us that the team gave no reason for the decision to release him.

Per our source, Sulak hasn't been in any kind of trouble that would have prompted this abrupt removal from the roster.

In fact, Sulak and his agent haven't been contacted by the Raiders at this point.

"Shocked is the best way to put it," the source said. "This is a good kid who plays football, hunts and fishes. This is very dysfunctional. I'm shocked that they didn't even call him to let him know or call his agent.

"It sounded like the minicamps went well and that he would have a chance to make the club. Of course, signing Greg Ellis might have made it tougher for him to make it. He'll go through the waiver system and see what happens."

Our source said that he pressed Sulak about whether he had been in any sort of trouble and Sulak steadfastly denied any kind of off-field problems.

"He has just been back home working out and getting ready for camp," our source said. "He had just received a letter inviting him to come to camp. It's a brutal business, and it's a shame that they wouldn't give him a legitimate chance to compete and try to make the team."

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/

SR
07-13-2009, 06:49 PM
Way to go Raiders. Classy as usual.

Devilspawn
07-13-2009, 08:12 PM
Way to go Raiders. Classy as usual.
From what I read, the kid is nice, quiet and shy and didn't deserve such treatment. But being classy, I mean who cares?


lol this is what makes the Raiders such a joke... I remember in the 2007 draft they drafted Quentin Moses with the 65th overall pick and cut him before the season even started, The Raiders are the worst franchise in the league... I really do think the Lions have more upside with the roster they have
You're probably not reading this because you put me on ignore... lol... but I remember when a team drafted trouble child Maurice Clarett in the 3rd round of the 2005 draft. It wouldn't mean as much today if that team was still uncertain at running back. Today.


Who's your coach, again?
Too easy.


You cut a draft pick before Training Camp. Do you know how utterly ridiculous that is?
Depends on the situation. All I can think of is that he slapped his girl, a lot, really really hard, otherwise there's no excuse for this.

Here's an idea. Denver can pick him up. Lord knows their defense needs an extra body.

FanInAZ
07-14-2009, 10:44 AM
He wouldn't of made the roster anyway. We are loaded with DE's.

Ellis
Burgess
Scott
Shaughnesey
Richardson
Gunheim
Slade Norris

Still odd to see a rookie cut before camp starts, he must've really sucked in OTAs

If you have such a surplus at DE, why waiste your draft pick on that possition when you are lacking in so many other areas. You know, like someone who can play on your OL.

MOtorboat
07-14-2009, 10:49 AM
Depends on the situation. All I can think of is that he slapped his girl, a lot, really really hard, otherwise there's no excuse for this.

Here's an idea. Denver can pick him up. Lord knows their defense needs an extra body.

I've never heard anything really bad about the guy, and I get Missouri shoved down my throat every day of the football season. I just found this to be extremely odd, and a slap in the face of the scouting department, but then again, its the Raiders, and that makes me laugh.

:beer:

Devilspawn
07-14-2009, 01:20 PM
I've never heard anything really bad about the guy, and I get Missouri shoved down my throat every day of the football season. I just found this to be extremely odd, and a slap in the face of the scouting department, but then again, its the Raiders, and that makes me laugh.

:beer:
This type of thing has happened before, but it gets magnified because of Oakland's situation and the bizarre front office they've had since Flores was gone.

Still, unless Schulak makes the HOF or anyone picked below him is a Pro-Bowler that we could've used, this is no comparison to the Cutler debacle. This incident only had 1 thread on rf.net. not 500 like the ones we saw here that hilarious afternoon and afterwards.

ursamajor
07-14-2009, 02:10 PM
If you have such a surplus at DE, why waiste your draft pick on that possition when you are lacking in so many other areas. You know, like someone who can play on your OL.

I was thinking the exact same thing.

OrangeHoof
07-15-2009, 03:26 PM
Our source said that he pressed Sulak about whether he had been in any sort of trouble and Sulak steadfastly denied any kind of off-field problems.

Geez. There's your answer right there. They thought anybody with the name "Stryker" was going to be their sort of bad ass, so when he shows up at mini-camp and turns out to be a choir boy without so much as an arrest record, they realized he wasn't "Raider material".

If Sulak had been one of Michael Vick's dogs, they would have drowned him. Know what I mean?

Obviously, this was a failure by the scouting department who is supposed to check that sort of stuff out before the draft but apparently they got fooled by the name and didn't bother to check him out.

Ever since the Raiders found Warren Wells at the state pen, Al Davis has craved players with checkered pasts or at least ones that could raise some hell. Sulak obviously wasn't "his type" and once that was discovered, he got the ax.

Sulak needs to go rob a liquor store or something and then maybe he'll get his job back.

Lonestar
07-15-2009, 06:46 PM
Geez. There's your answer right there. They thought anybody with the name "Stryker" was going to be their sort of bad ass, so when he shows up at mini-camp and turns out to be a choir boy without so much as an arrest record, they realized he wasn't "Raider material".

If Sulak had been one of Michael Vick's dogs, they would have drowned him. Know what I mean?

Obviously, this was a failure by the scouting department who is supposed to check that sort of stuff out before the draft but apparently they got fooled by the name and didn't bother to check him out.

Ever since the Raiders found Warren Wells at the state pen, Al Davis has craved players with checkered pasts or at least ones that could raise some hell. Sulak obviously wasn't "his type" and once that was discovered, he got the ax.

Sulak needs to go rob a liquor store or something and then maybe he'll get his job back.



the best post of the thread deserved to be seen again..

BoltsOwnU
07-16-2009, 05:54 PM
I hate to be the one voice of reason, but the kid probably has a better shot getting cut now to go through camp with another team, than getting blown out during preseason cuts. If they knew he wasn't likely to make it, they did him a favor.

Giving a reason that you think he won't cut it, is worse than giving no reason at all. Especially since thinking someone "won't make the Raiders" is so laughable, people would just lump him in with people like Stephen Hawking. Just my opinion.

sanluis
07-16-2009, 06:03 PM
I hate to be the one voice of reason, but the kid probably has a better shot getting cut now to go through camp with another team, than getting blown out during preseason cuts. If they knew he wasn't likely to make it, they did him a favor.

Giving a reason that you think he won't cut it, is worse than giving no reason at all. Especially since thinking someone "won't make the Raiders" is so laughable, people would just lump him in with people like Stephen Hawking. Just my opinion.

Still.... what a waste of a pick. I know it was just a 6Th rounder but so was some guy named Tom ....I guess they did the kid a favor and all.

kind of weird :confused:

BoltsOwnU
07-16-2009, 06:18 PM
Still.... what a waste of a pick. I know it was just a 6Th rounder but so was some guy named Tom ....I guess they did the kid a favor and all.

kind of weird :confused:

Oh don't get me wrong, it's just another shining example of the stupidity permeating that franchise as far as the pick goes. But for once, I can see that they MIGHT have the kids interests in mind.

Lonestar
07-16-2009, 07:34 PM
anyone trying to make sense out of what that senile old ******* does is pissing into the wind..

OaklandRaider
07-16-2009, 07:51 PM
anyone trying to make sense out of what that senile old ******* does is pissing into the wind..

BOU is just using logic.

You should try it sometime.

MOtorboat
07-16-2009, 07:52 PM
BOU is just using logic.

You should try it sometime.

This is called irony.

FanInAZ
07-16-2009, 08:59 PM
BOU is just using logic.

You should try it sometime.

If BOU's assessment is so logical, and you are so wise, why did you not think of it first?

Your previous posting on this thread was...


He wouldn't of made the roster anyway. We are loaded with DE's.

Ellis
Burgess
Scott
Shaughnesey
Richardson
Gunheim
Slade Norris

Still odd to see a rookie cut before camp starts, he must've really sucked in OTAs

After trying to use logic to make sense of your posting, I responded...


If you have such a surplus at DE, why waiste your draft pick on that possition when you are lacking in so many other areas. You know, like someone who can play on your OL.

To which you responded...

What a minute, you still have not responded. Would you care to give a logical responce to my previouls posting on this thread?

FanInAZ
07-16-2009, 09:02 PM
:tsk: The guy logged off before I could finish my last post :tsk: Now I will never get him to answer my question :tsk:

Midnight Blue
07-17-2009, 12:58 AM
Still.... what a waste of a pick. I know it was just a 6Th rounder but so was some guy named Tom ....I guess they did the kid a favor and all.

kind of weird :confused:

Some guy (a RB) who was a SB and NFL MVP... and rushed for 2008 yards one season.... was a sixth rounder too IIRC...

Seems to me that a record-setting TE who wore #84 was a 7th-rounder...

Lonestar
07-17-2009, 01:20 AM
Some guy (a RB) who was a SB and NFL MVP... and rushed for 2008 yards one season.... was a sixth rounder too IIRC...

Seems to me that a record-setting TE who wore #84 was a 7th-rounder...

while that is correct not many later round draft choices manage to stay on teams they were indeed exceptions to the law of averages..

glad they were ours:D

OaklandRaider
07-17-2009, 03:23 AM
To which you responded...

What a minute, you still have not responded. Would you care to give a logical responce to my previouls posting on this thread?

We drafted him before we signed Greg Ellis. The Raiders have pretty much penciled in Ellis as a full time starter. He was a gift that we got for cheap. And on top of that, we were shopping Derrick Burgess around the league, but only the Patriots showed interest in him, and we decided to keep him.

We actually did Sulak a favor by cutting him now so that he can go sign with another team. He obviously wasn't going to make the roster anyways.

The 6th round is a crap shoot anyways, half of the guys that were drafted in the 6th round this year will get cut. The Raiders were just ahead of the curve.

dogfish
07-17-2009, 03:51 AM
He wouldn't of made the roster anyway. We are loaded with DE's.

Ellis
Burgess
Scott
Shaughnesey
Richardson
Gunheim
Slade Norris

Still odd to see a rookie cut before camp starts, he must've really sucked in OTAs


yea, you guys are loaded, all right. . . .



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i guess asomugha's only good because he has such a killer pass rush. . . .

dogfish
07-17-2009, 03:54 AM
I remember when a team drafted trouble child Maurice Clarett in the 3rd round of the 2005 draft.


shut up!

:lol:


clarett was a damn good pick-- he'd still be tearing the league up, if he coulda just put the grey goose down. . . .

dogfish
07-17-2009, 03:57 AM
Still.... what a waste of a pick. I know it was just a 6Th rounder but so was some guy named Tom


actually, nalen was a 7th rounder. . . . :listen:


but thanks for remembering him!




i always knew you were a broncos fan at heart. . . .

FanInAZ
07-17-2009, 04:02 AM
We drafted him before we signed Greg Ellis. The Raiders have pretty much penciled in Ellis as a full time starter. He was a gift that we got for cheap. And on top of that, we were shopping Derrick Burgess around the league, but only the Patriots showed interest in him, and we decided to keep him.

We actually did Sulak a favor by cutting him now so that he can go sign with another team. He obviously wasn't going to make the roster anyways.

The 6th round is a crap shoot anyways, half of the guys that were drafted in the 6th round this year will get cut. The Raiders were just ahead of the curve.

Sounds like a pretty good responce, until you go to NFL.com to check out his stats.

Ellis started all 16 games for the Cowboys. Tallied 36 total tackels 12 solo 11 ast. Not bad for a 1st or 2nd year player just breaking into the NFL, but he's not. He just complete his 11th season. These numbers are actually better then what he had the last 4 years, but about half of what he got before then.

What is nice is the 8.0 sack total. That is the one area that he still seems to be produceing in. So, he's a pass rush specialist who will probably be out of the league with in 2-3 seasons. If Sulak does make it with another team, the may be arround for 5 -10 seasons.

Now, what about Burgess? 24 total tackels 11 solo 8 ast and 3.5 sacks. in 10 games Again, not bad for a 1st or 2nd year player. However, once again he is not. He just completed his 8th season. He has only had 2 good season.

Don't be surprised if he is out of the league before the end of the season. Then again, he may not make it to opening day. His NFL career is more likely to end before Sulak's. That may be why no one was interest in him. As badly as we need help on our DL, I'll pass on this one as well.

OaklandRaider
07-17-2009, 04:03 AM
yea, you guys are loaded, all right. . . .
i guess asomugha's only good because he has such a killer pass rush. . . .

The Raiders actually finished 13th in sacks last year. Now you add Ellis who is sure to get about 8 sacks, a healthy Derrick Burgess, and Trevor Scott who led all rookies in sacks last season and we have a top ten pass rushing defensive line.

OaklandRaider
07-17-2009, 04:05 AM
Sounds like a pretty good responce, until you go to NFL.com to check out his stats.

Ellis started all 16 games for the Cowboys. Tallied 36 total tackels 12 solo 11 ast. Not bad for a 1st or 2nd year player just breaking into the NFL, but he's not. He just complete his 11th season. These numbers are actually better then what he had the last 4 years, but about half of what he got before then.

What is nice is the 8.0 sack total. That is the one area that he still seems to be produceing in. So, he's a pass rush specialist who will probably be out of the league with in 2-3 seasons. If Sulak does make it with another team, the may be arround for 5 -10 seasons.

Now, what about Burgess? 24 total tackels 11 solo 8 ast and 3.5 sacks. in 10 games Again, not bad for a 1st or 2nd year player. However, once again he is not. He just completed his 8th season. He has only had 2 good season.

Don't be surprised if he is out of the league before the end of the season. Then again, he may not make it to opening day. His NFL career is more likely to end before Sulak's. That may be why no one was interest in him. As badly as we need help on our DL, I'll pass on this one as well.

Greg Ellis is better as a defensive end than he is a OLB in a 3-4 defense.

And Derrick Burgess was injured again last season. When he is healthy however, he is still a premiere pass rusher.

dogfish
07-17-2009, 04:13 AM
The Raiders actually finished 13th in sacks last year. Now you add Ellis who is sure to get about 8 sacks, a healthy Derrick Burgess, and Trevor Scott who led all rookies in sacks last season and we have a top ten pass rushing defensive line.


excellent! now add about three good defensive tackles, a solid safety, at least two or three receivers that could play for another NFL team, a legitimate left tackle and a quarterback to play next year when garcia retires, and you might actually have a team that can win more than five games. . . .


:2thumbs:


oh, and that's assuming you're actually right about your ends, which you shouldn't. . . FYI, it's been two-three years since derrick burgess was any good, and greg ellis is freakin' old. . . .

FanInAZ
07-17-2009, 04:18 AM
Greg Ellis is better as a defensive end than he is a OLB in a 3-4 defense.

And Derrick Burgess was injured again last season. When he is healthy however, he is still a premiere pass rusher.

Ellis is changing postition? You do realize that such changes often back fire.

Burgess injuries may not only explane why his totals droped, but why nobody else wants him. I don't know the nature of his injury, but it seems to have scared off the rest of the league. And you are assuming that he is going to be 100% the player he was? Keep in mind that he's not a 2nd or 3rd year player. This will be his 9th season and the older you get the harder it is to come back from injuries.

You might want to try to sell me on one of you other DEs. After all, you are suppose to have so many good one that you don't need any more.

OaklandRaider
07-17-2009, 04:26 AM
oh, and that's assuming you're actually right about your ends, which you shouldn't. . . FYI, it's been two-three years since derrick burgess was any good, and greg ellis is freakin' old. . . .

Burgess is still a great pass rusher when he is healthy.

Greg Ellis may be old, but he's better than anybody in your front 7 today, kid.

Midnight Blue
07-17-2009, 04:28 AM
excellent! now add about three good defensive tackles, a solid safety, at least two or three receivers that could play for another NFL team, a legitimate left tackle and a quarterback to play next year when garcia retires, and you might actually have a team that can win more than five games. . . .


:2thumbs:


oh, and that's assuming you're actually right about your ends, which you shouldn't. . . FYI, it's been two-three years since derrick burgess was any good, and greg ellis is freakin' old. . . .

Raider homer swears that Javon Walker is gonna have the best year of his career in '09..... :laugh::lol::D (nevermnd; his best years were in the rearview mirror before the Broncos let him go 2 years ago).

OaklandRaider
07-17-2009, 04:31 AM
Ellis is changing postition? You do realize that such changes often back fire.

He was a DE in Dallas when they drafted him. Bill Parcells came in and change him into a 34 OLB when they switched to the 3-4 defense.

He has even said it himself, he feel more comfortable playing DE which he will play with the Raiders.


Burgess injuries may not only explane why his totals droped, but why nobody else wants him. I don't know the nature of his injury, but it seems to have scared off the rest of the league. And you are assuming that he is going to be 100% the player he was? Keep in mind that he's not a 2nd or 3rd year player. This will be his 9th season and the older you get the harder it is to come back from injuries.

Oh well, if Burgess is injured then we have Trevor Scott who led All rookies in sacks last season.

Still when healthy, he is an elite pass rusher.

FanInAZ
07-17-2009, 04:32 AM
Greg Ellis may be old, but he's better than anybody in your front 7 today, kid.

Tell us something that I've not been admitting to for about the last 4 or 5 seasons! If you want to convince us that your getting better, then don't compare your defense to one we all know is worse.

OaklandRaider
07-17-2009, 04:32 AM
Raider homer swears that Javon Walker is gonna have the best year of his career in '09..... :laugh::lol::D (nevermnd; his best years were in the rearview mirror before the Broncos let him go 2 years ago).

I guarantee you that Javon Walker will have more receiving yards than Eddie Royal.

FanInAZ
07-17-2009, 04:39 AM
Oh well, if Burgess is injured then we have Trevor Scott who led All rookies in sacks last season.

Still when healthy, he is an elite pass rusher.

Scott had 5 sacks last season as a non starter, not bad. Let's see if he does actually improve like you say he will.

By the way, NFL.com says that Burgess missed 2 games in 2007. Then he misses 6 more in 2008. That is not a good trend.

dogfish
07-17-2009, 05:03 AM
Burgess is still a great pass rusher when he is healthy.

Greg Ellis may be old, but he's better than anybody in your front 7 today, kid.


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almost as amusing as trying to tell us how great derrick burgess is. . . .

Devilspawn
07-17-2009, 08:40 AM
Tell us something that I've not been admitting to for about the last 4 or 5 seasons! If you want to convince us that your getting better, then don't compare your defense to one we all know is worse.
Just like Broncos fans trying to fan the flames of the offseason moves by saying "At least we're not the Raiders"... which everyone, even Detroit, can say at one time in their football lives?

MOtorboat
07-17-2009, 09:52 AM
Just like Broncos fans trying to fan the flames of the offseason moves by saying "At least we're not the Raiders"... which everyone, even Detroit, can say at one time in their football lives?

At least we're not the Lions.

Midnight Blue
07-17-2009, 01:58 PM
I guarantee you that Javon Walker will have more receiving yards than Eddie Royal.

Very unlikely. Barring injury of course...

sanluis
07-17-2009, 02:03 PM
I guarantee you that Javon Walker will have more receiving yards than Eddie Royal.


Walker can't even walk and is more likely to be on crutches than the field IMO.


guarantee??? I think I smell a bet coming??


Me? I hope they both suck! :D:lol:

T.K.O.
07-17-2009, 02:17 PM
maybe they cut this kid because he said something about al davis being the only man alive who wears both depends and earings ?

FanInAZ
07-17-2009, 11:12 PM
Just like Broncos fans trying to fan the flames of the offseason moves by saying "At least we're not the Raiders"... which everyone, even Detroit, can say at one time in their football lives?

Unlike Oakland Raider, I'm not a blind homer who is going to say that we have the greatest team ever in the face of overwhelming evidance that we don't. As we say in the 12 step program, the first step to solving a problem is admitting that you have one. Me acknowledging the sort coming of our DL does not make me a flake or a bandwagoner. It just simply means that I'm not in denile.

You did note that I said I've been frustrated over the lack of performance of our DL for the past 4-5 seasons. We have not had a good pass rush from our DL since the SB vicories. I've gotten so fed up with this be our problem year after year actually wanted use to all of our draft pick on the DL for the past 3 years. It's not that I didn't believe that we didn't have needs elsewhere. It's just that I'm sick and tired of our DL being one of them year after year. Therefore, if Shannahan would have done what I wanted him to do, we would have never drafted Cutler in the first place.

OaklandRaider
07-21-2009, 11:07 AM
Unlike Oakland Raider, I'm not a blind homer who is going to say that we have the greatest team ever in the face of overwhelming evidance that we don't. As we say in the 12 step program, the first step to solving a problem is admitting that you have one. Me acknowledging the sort coming of our DL does not make me a flake or a bandwagoner. It just simply means that I'm not in denile.

You did note that I said I've been frustrated over the lack of performance of our DL for the past 4-5 seasons. We have not had a good pass rush from our DL since the SB vicories. I've gotten so fed up with this be our problem year after year actually wanted use to all of our draft pick on the DL for the past 3 years. It's not that I didn't believe that we didn't have needs elsewhere. It's just that I'm sick and tired of our DL being one of them year after year. Therefore, if Shannahan would have done what I wanted him to do, we would have never drafted Cutler in the first place.

That is one knock on ShannaTan. He couldn't draft defensive players to save his Tan.

As a result, Denver probably has the worst defensive line in football today. Your linebackers suck, too, and everybody in your secondary is over 30 years old.

Man. It's going to be a long ass season for you girls in Dungver. :coffee: