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T.K.O.
06-29-2009, 04:14 PM
just bored today and stumbled on this jewell....dont shoot the messenger ;)

Football BettingDenver Broncos Odds – Broncos search for identity without Shanahan and Cutler
Posted on 6/9/2009 1:30:39 PM

By Stan Simmons

For fourteen years, the Denver Broncos odds to win the Super Bowl - or even to win the AFC - were always reasonable thanks to head coach Mike Shanahan, but now the franchise is heading in a new direction. From top to bottom, the Broncos are doing a makeover with Josh McDaniels now leading the way. After a horrendous offseason, though, the question is: where is this young head coach leading them?




Broncos odds: Broncos +5000 to win Super Bowl XLIV



Broncos will miss Shanahan, Cutler

Weapons aplenty on offense but the quarterbacking situation will hold them back

Porous defense, which is switching to 3-4, could get even worse



Online betting fans aren’t sure what to make of the Denver Broncos. The Broncos odds clearly aren’t very good, and really, how could they be? Former New England Patriots defensive coordinator Josh McDaniels has taken over the team and, considering one of his first orders of business was to trade franchise quarterback Jay Cutler, not many fans are sure what he’s doing with the Broncos. In contrast, former head coach Mike Shanahan brought the franchise two Super Bowls a 61% winning percentage and seven playoff appearances. Furthermore, the Broncos never won less than six games in any season under Shanahan. But given the current state of the team, the Broncos betting community is expecting less than six wins this year.


While the Broncos traded a Pro Bowl quarterback, they don’t exactly have an option ready to replace him. Kyle Orton and Chris Simms are the options, and neither player’s talents inspire any sort of confidence. One thing that especially hurts the Broncos odds with the Cutler trade is the fact that this team traded away their leader. Combined with the loss of Shanahan, whose system paved the way for a good running game every single year, the Broncos have lost their identity on offense.


The good news is that they still have an excellent offensive line and some good weapons around - such as Brandon Marshall, Eddie Royal, Tony Scheffler and Knowshon Moreno - but the issue is that without a trigger man, all of these players will be held back. Even in a weak AFC West, the Broncos odds will probably list them as an underdog on the NFL betting lines everywhere they travel on the road, and potentially times at home too.


Their offense has taken a big hit, and their offense was all they had last year. Part of McDaniels new plan is to retool the defense which, in 2008, allowed 28 points per game, five yards per carry, and totaled only six interceptions. The Broncos betting fans can expect to see a new 3-4 scheme, and as the sportsbook odds makers know, a defense switching to the 3-4 from the 4-3 using regresses in its first season. That’s a scary thought for the Broncos, who are already in the basement of virtually every defensive category.


The Mile High pillars of consistency are gone, which is why the Broncos odds are so poor this season. Under Shanahan, the Broncos could rely on stellar quarterbacking, an outstanding running game and sharp placekicking. Usually the defense would be reliable, too. But now the Broncos are clearly in transition, and all signs point to that as resulting in a worse team. Sometimes you don’t learn the value of what you have until it’s gone, and the Broncos betting community will feel that bitter taste this year as they will sorely miss both Shanahan and Cutler. Don’t be surprised if this is the worst team in the NFL.


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Stan Simmons first tasted football through the college game, but his football handicapping has strictly focused on the professional sport. Not many people devote as much time to the NFL as Simmons. For six days a week he works, labors and handicaps the sport, and on the seventh he rests as the games play out. Thoughts or questions? Email Comments@BetOnline.com.

Tned
06-29-2009, 04:27 PM
I'm not much of a sports better. Is +5000 based on a $100 bet, meaning that Vegas has them at 50:1? That's in the realm of what I would expect.

Denver Native (Carol)
06-29-2009, 04:28 PM
To me, right now, that is nothing more than speculation - I will hold onto my "wait and see attitude".

Denver Native (Carol)
06-29-2009, 04:32 PM
I'm not much of a sports better. Is +5000 based on a $100 bet, meaning that Vegas has them at 50:1? That's in the realm of what I would expect.

Here is a site I found. Thought I would post the link, as I don't know much about the betting side of the SuperBowl.

http://www.nsawins.com/super-bowl-odds.shtml

T.K.O.
06-29-2009, 04:36 PM
I'm not much of a sports better. Is +5000 based on a $100 bet, meaning that Vegas has them at 50:1? That's in the realm of what I would expect.

i dont know about that +5000 thing either.but i think your close they had the broncos at 25-1 when last season ended now we are at 40-1 i think
that being said the cards were at 40-1 to make the sb last season.so theres still hope...lol
i also saw where the bears are 25-1 and had been at 40-1 so vegas thinke cutler will help them but not enough top really worry about.
ive only bet on 1 game in vegas and it was that awesome broncos bengals game in 07 and i won about 120 bucks on a 40 dollar bet.
i watched the game at the mgm
it was great there where about 5 cincy fans talkin sh*& to me for most of the game and when we came back and won i walked out proud as hell and picked up my $$$ with full bronco gear on !

topscribe
06-29-2009, 05:18 PM
Of course, nobody does know just how well the Broncos will do this year.

But this guy writes from sheer ignorance . . . which is not rare among his type . . . :coffee:

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BroncoWave
06-29-2009, 05:24 PM
just bored today and stumbled on this jewell....dont shoot the messenger ;)

Football BettingDenver Broncos Odds – Broncos search for identity without Shanahan and Cutler
Posted on 6/9/2009 1:30:39 PM

By Stan Simmons

For fourteen years, the Denver Broncos odds to win the Super Bowl - or even to win the AFC - were always reasonable thanks to head coach Mike Shanahan, but now the franchise is heading in a new direction. From top to bottom, the Broncos are doing a makeover with Josh McDaniels now leading the way. After a horrendous offseason, though, the question is: where is this young head coach leading them?




Broncos odds: Broncos +5000 to win Super Bowl XLIV



Broncos will miss Shanahan, Cutler

Weapons aplenty on offense but the quarterbacking situation will hold them back

Porous defense, which is switching to 3-4, could get even worse



Online betting fans aren’t sure what to make of the Denver Broncos. The Broncos odds clearly aren’t very good, and really, how could they be? Former New England Patriots defensive coordinator Josh McDaniels has taken over the team and, considering one of his first orders of business was to trade franchise quarterback Jay Cutler, not many fans are sure what he’s doing with the Broncos. In contrast, former head coach Mike Shanahan brought the franchise two Super Bowls a 61% winning percentage and seven playoff appearances. Furthermore, the Broncos never won less than six games in any season under Shanahan. But given the current state of the team, the Broncos betting community is expecting less than six wins this year.

Stopped reading here. There goes that guy's credibility.

AndyUKBronco
06-29-2009, 05:44 PM
In the UK, where, by the way, betting is legal, the Broncos are around the 40-1 mark, along with the likes of Buffalo, Seattle and Tampa Bay. Here are the current odds from William Hill in the UK:-

New England Patriots 6/1
Pittsburgh Steelers 8/1
New York Giants 10/1
Indianapolis Colts 12/1
San Diego Chargers 14/1
Philadelphia Eagles 14/1
Dallas Cowboys 16/1
Minnesota Vikings 16/1
Chicago Bears 20/1
Baltimore Ravens 20/1
Carolina Panthers 20/1
New Orleans Saints 20/1
Tennessee Titans 20/1
Houston Texans 25/1
Green Bay Packers 25/1
Atlanta Falcons 25/1
Arizona Cardinals 25/1
Washington Redskins 33/1
New York Jets 33/1
Jacksonville Jaguars 33/1
Buffalo Bills 40/1
Denver Broncos 40/1
Seattle Seahawks 40/1
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 40/1
Kansas City Chiefs 50/1
San Francisco 49ers 50/1
Miami Dolphins 50/1
Cincinnati Bengals 66/1
Cleveland Browns 80/1
Oakland Raiders 125/1
St Louis Rams 125/1
Detroit Lions 150/1

Krugan
06-29-2009, 05:51 PM
Those odds, well they really arent that far off.

Thats a multi million dollar racket. For the most part, they are closer to being right, than wrong.

Not everyone who claims the Broncos are going to fall flat, are idiots.

BroncoWave
06-29-2009, 05:53 PM
In the UK, where, by the way, betting is legal, the Broncos are around the 40-1 mark, along with the likes of Buffalo, Seattle and Tampa Bay. Here are the current odds from William Hill in the UK:-

New England Patriots 6/1
Pittsburgh Steelers 8/1
New York Giants 10/1
Indianapolis Colts 12/1
San Diego Chargers 14/1
Philadelphia Eagles 14/1
Dallas Cowboys 16/1
Minnesota Vikings 16/1
Chicago Bears 20/1
Baltimore Ravens 20/1
Carolina Panthers 20/1
New Orleans Saints 20/1
Tennessee Titans 20/1
Houston Texans 25/1
Green Bay Packers 25/1
Atlanta Falcons 25/1
Arizona Cardinals 25/1
Washington Redskins 33/1
New York Jets 33/1
Jacksonville Jaguars 33/1
Buffalo Bills 40/1
Denver Broncos 40/1
Seattle Seahawks 40/1
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 40/1
Kansas City Chiefs 50/1
San Francisco 49ers 50/1
Miami Dolphins 50/1
Cincinnati Bengals 66/1
Cleveland Browns 80/1
Oakland Raiders 125/1
St Louis Rams 125/1
Detroit Lions 150/1

They have us at 40/1 and Miami at 50/1? That is VERY surprising.

MasterShake
06-29-2009, 07:23 PM
Online betting fans aren’t sure what to make of the Denver Broncos. The Broncos odds clearly aren’t very good, and really, how could they be? Former New England Patriots defensive coordinator Josh McDaniels has taken over the team and, considering one of his first orders of business was to trade franchise quarterback Jay Cutler, not many fans are sure what he’s doing with the Broncos.

This dude can't even get his facts straight when he speculates, I stopped right there. Probably the same guy who said the Cardinals were gonna be bottom feeders last year. You just never know. Screw the offseason! :lol:

Benetto
06-29-2009, 07:31 PM
+5000 means, for every 100.00 you put down..You win 5000.00

Equivalent to 500/1...Pretty reasonable considering every Billichick disciple has crashed and burned every team they coached so far...






I do have some faith in McD though...A gargantuan ego gos a long way.

rationalfan
06-29-2009, 07:52 PM
Hate to say it, but Vegas oddsmakers usually know much more than they're given credit for.

BroncoWave
06-29-2009, 07:54 PM
This dude can't even get his facts straight when he speculates, I stopped right there. Probably the same guy who said the Cardinals were gonna be bottom feeders last year. You just never know. Screw the offseason! :lol:

While I agree with you, unless you picked the Cardinals to win the NFC last year it's pretty unfair to hang someone on that!

haroldthebarrel
06-29-2009, 07:58 PM
I think jaxonville is a good bet at 33-1. They could very easily win the division and they dont match up bad against the great teams in the AFC if they stay healthy.
I think a lot of them being bad last year was due to all the injuries at the line, which should now be even better than two years ago.

MasterShake
06-29-2009, 08:21 PM
While I agree with you, unless you picked the Cardinals to win the NFC last year it's pretty unfair to hang someone on that!

I'm not saying he's stupid for not knowing the Cardinals would make it to the Super Bowl, just saying you never know. My friend puts $100 on his team (the Jets) every year to win it all. He may cash in some day, who knows?

Dean
06-29-2009, 09:22 PM
This dude can't even get his facts straight when he speculates, I stopped right there. Probably the same guy who said the Cardinals were gonna be bottom feeders last year. You just never know. Screw the offseason! :lol:

Too late that task has been completed. :D

sneakers
06-29-2009, 09:44 PM
40/1, i'd say that is a little high....and the lions 150/1 that is really high!

SoCalImport
06-30-2009, 03:24 AM
:eek:Doom!!!

gobroncsnv
06-30-2009, 07:09 AM
Wonder how many of the oddsmakers had the Cardinals being in the SB last year... What did they set the odds for the Rams when they won it all, going worst to first? These guys are as good as any weatherman...
That said, I'm not looking for another ring this year, but I'm still gonna watch my team.

LRtagger
06-30-2009, 07:44 AM
Stopped reading here. There goes that guy's credibility.

Really?? I stopped reading here:



For fourteen years, the Denver Broncos odds to win the Super Bowl - or even to win the AFC - were always reasonable thanks to head coach Mike Shanahan


I guess what he is saying is the team has been a MAJOR disappointment for the past 10 years, right? In that sense, he is right.

I wonder what our odds were of winning the AFCW in Vegas last year after week 14??

T.K.O.
06-30-2009, 11:06 AM
i dont know for sure but i think at the start of the season when elway got his first ring you could have got 200-1 money on the broncos to win it all.
if someone knows ,please confirm.
and it wasnt because the broncos were so bad it was because the oddsmakers didnt think any afc team had much of a chance against the nfc at the time.
man i could have cashed in if i had more faith !
20 grand for a hundred bucks....damn !:shocked:

NameUsedBefore
06-30-2009, 12:38 PM
I know the Superbowl gamblers had the Packers by ten points for the '97 Superbowl. I can't see 200-1 odds for Denver though since they had a very good team in 1996 that just had a terrible run in the playoffs.

Lonestar
07-03-2009, 03:48 PM
anyone going to Vegas check out teh odds and let us know..:salute:

ursamajor
07-03-2009, 05:28 PM
anyone going to Vegas check out teh odds and let us know..:salute:

I live in Vegas. The odds are close to what you saw. Lines change every day though.

Lonestar
07-03-2009, 06:07 PM
I live in Vegas. The odds are close to what you saw. Lines change every day though.

I would think they would be pretty stable right now.. with nothing happening in the off season..

ursamajor
07-03-2009, 06:13 PM
I would think they would be pretty stable right now.. with nothing happening in the off season..

The lines are set, and change due to betting patterns. For example, If more people bet on the Lions to win the superbowl then the Pats, regardless of record, etc, the Lions would have better odds then the Pats.

Lonestar
07-03-2009, 06:15 PM
The lines are set, and change due to betting patterns. For example, If more people bet on the Lions to win the superbowl then the Pats, regardless of record, etc, the Lions would have better odds then the Pats.

Yes I get it..

But I was trying to say, right now with not alot of things going on I doubt there is alot of movement on it.. perhaps I'm wrong but no news usually means no one betting..

ursamajor
07-03-2009, 08:21 PM
Yes I get it..

But I was trying to say, right now with not alot of things going on I doubt there is alot of movement on it.. perhaps I'm wrong but no news usually means no one betting..

http://www.profootballweekly.com/2009/06/29/bears-super-bowl-odds-plummet-after-addition-of-cu