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DenBronx
06-04-2012, 05:59 PM
Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning has made significant progress in recovering from last year’s multiple neck procedures, but he says he’s not all the way back to 100 percent.

Manning said at today’s Organized Team Activities that he is continuing to work in rehab and doesn’t think he’s throwing as well now as he’ll be able to when the season starts.

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/06/04/peyton-still-has-rehab-work-to-do-but-fox-says-hes-as-good-as-ever/

NightTerror218
06-04-2012, 06:01 PM
Fox's best QB was Delhomme I believe. Manning blows him out of water, of course he looks good. He has not had a great QB on a team yet.

vandammage13
06-05-2012, 10:44 AM
Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning has made significant progress in recovering from last year’s multiple neck procedures, but he says he’s not all the way back to 100 percent.

Manning said at today’s Organized Team Activities that he is continuing to work in rehab and doesn’t think he’s throwing as well now as he’ll be able to when the season starts.

READ FULL ARTICLE:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/06/04/peyton-still-has-rehab-work-to-do-but-fox-says-hes-as-good-as-ever/

Fox reminds me of a guy that just bought a used car that had hidden engine problems, but still talks good about it to convince himself and others that it was a great buy.

NightTrainLayne
06-05-2012, 12:01 PM
Fox reminds me of a guy that just bought a used car that had hidden engine problems, but still talks good about it to convince himself and others that it was a great buy.

Huh. .. . reminds me of a guy who just bought a certified used BMW and the dealership told him that they refurbished the suspension before selling it since it had some wear.

Timmy!
06-05-2012, 12:20 PM
Fox reminds me of a guy that just bought a used car that had hidden engine problems, but still talks good about it to convince himself and others that it was a great buy.

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/479/176/Tebow-Crying_display_image.jpg?1288644873

GEM
06-05-2012, 12:22 PM
Fox reminds me of a guy that just bought a used car that had hidden engine problems, but still talks good about it to convince himself and others that it was a great buy.

I hope you are talking about Delhomme there. If that is talk about Manning....just wow.

LTC Pain
06-05-2012, 01:39 PM
If you look at vandammage13's posts you can see the overall "I hate Manning" trend. It's way past "wow".

GEM
06-05-2012, 02:33 PM
I got Manning in one hand, Tebow in the other. Manning just hit the floor and Tebow just hit the door. Buhbye Tebow....

I mean really, I don't care if Tebow plays 20 years and improves 100% from where he is right now, he'll still never be in Peyton Manning's league.

MOtorboat
06-05-2012, 02:34 PM
I got Manning in one hand, Tebow in the other. Manning just hit the floor and Tebow just hit the door. Buhbye Tebow....

I mean really, I don't care if Tebow plays 20 years and improves 100% from where he is right now, he'll still never be in Peyton Manning's league.

Haven't you heard. Manning is going to be playing in a wheel chair this season and it will be Walton's responsibility to wheel his ass to the next play.

DenBronx
06-05-2012, 05:39 PM
I got Manning in one hand, Tebow in the other. Manning just hit the floor and Tebow just hit the door. Buhbye Tebow....

I mean really, I don't care if Tebow plays 20 years and improves 100% from where he is right now, he'll still never be in Peyton Manning's league.



Gem....just like your headline says.....you really are still a dork. ;)

iLands
06-05-2012, 05:41 PM
Haven't you heard. Manning is going to be playing in a wheel chair this season and it will be Walton's responsibility to wheel his ass to the next play.

I wouldn't even trust Walton to do that.

vandammage13
06-06-2012, 08:12 AM
Huh. .. . reminds me of a guy who just bought a certified used BMW and the dealership told him that they refurbished the suspension before selling it since it had some wear.

Except in this case there is no guaranteed warranty or insurance..

vandammage13
06-06-2012, 08:14 AM
I got Manning in one hand, Tebow in the other. Manning just hit the floor and Tebow just hit the door. Buhbye Tebow....

I mean really, I don't care if Tebow plays 20 years and improves 100% from where he is right now, he'll still never be in Peyton Manning's league.

I agree...He won't ever be in Manning's league. However my main problem is that Tebow at about 50% of Manning is still better than no Manning (which is what it will be after 2-3 years).

TXBRONC
06-06-2012, 08:17 AM
Except in this case there is no guaranteed warranty or insurance..

There is more of a guarantee that Manning will return to form than there is that Tebow will improve to be even half-assed descent passer. :wave:

vandammage13
06-06-2012, 08:30 AM
There is more of a guarantee that Manning will return to form than there is that Tebow will improve to be even half-assed descent passer. :wave:

I simply disagree :wave:

TXBRONC
06-06-2012, 08:36 AM
I simply disagree :wave:

But everyone know as Tebowite you have no sense reality. :wave:

vandammage13
06-06-2012, 08:47 AM
If you look at vandammage13's posts you can see the overall "I hate Manning" trend. It's way past "wow".

Nah...I don't "hate" Manning...I think he's one of the best of all time and there's certainly nothing about his game or him as a person that would make me "hate" him.

I just simply don't think this move is going to be good for us in the long run.

Brett Favre was one of the greatest QB's of all time too...Do you think that the Jets or Vikings were better off for getting a couple years out of him?

turftoad
06-06-2012, 08:52 AM
Nah...I don't "hate" Manning...I think he's one of the best of all time and there's certainly nothing about his game or him as a person that would make me "hate" him.

I just simply don't think this move is going to be good for us in the long run.

Brett Favre was one of the greatest QB's of all time too...Do you think that the Jets or Vikings were better off for getting a couple years out of him?

I'm pretty sure when Manning is done, we'll still have a better QB on the roster than Tebow. Tebow is NOT the ONLY QB out there other than Manning. :tsk:

vandammage13
06-06-2012, 08:55 AM
But everyone know as Tebowite you have no sense reality. :wave:

haha...its a lot of Broncos fans that have no sense of reality. The thought that a guy who hasn't played a snap in a year is going to get us a Super Bowl within the 2-3 good years he has left is simply wishful thinking.

If we were a team that was very close (like the 49ers or Texans) then I would say its a good move to go for it all, but we simply aren't a good enough team at this point to hope that adding one player who is at the end of his career is going to get us to the top.

vandammage13
06-06-2012, 08:57 AM
I'm pretty sure when Manning is done, we'll still have a better QB on the roster than Tebow. Tebow is NOT the ONLY QB out there other than Manning. :tsk:

Perhaps, but that remains to be seen.

Maybe when Manning retires we can get Tom Brady for the last 2 years of his career too :smile:

turftoad
06-06-2012, 09:00 AM
haha...its a lot of Broncos fans that have no sense of reality. The thought that a guy who hasn't played a snap in a year is going to get us a Super Bowl within the 2-3 good years he has left is simply wishful thinking.

If we were a team that was very close (like the 49ers or Texans) then I would say its a good move to go for it all, but we simply aren't a good enough team at this point to hope that adding one player who is at the end of his career is going to get us to the top.

So...... what you're saying is that the only reason we won one playoff game is because of Tebow. Yep, the rest of the team had NOTHING to do with it. :tsk:

It's wishful thinking to expect Tebow to even be an average QB at this point in his career. Thats wishful thinking.

Jeesh, get over it. :tsk:

GEM
06-06-2012, 09:15 AM
I agree...He won't ever be in Manning's league. However my main problem is that Tebow at about 50% of Manning is still better than no Manning (which is what it will be after 2-3 years).

That is if you have faith that Tebow will improve. You do. I don't.

artie_dale
06-06-2012, 09:19 AM
I agree...He won't ever be in Manning's league. However my main problem is that Tebow at about 50% of Manning is still better than no Manning (which is what it will be after 2-3 years).

So the problem isn't Manning, because that's about as long as we expect to have a healthy Manning. But think about what you just said... Tebow at 50% of Manning EVER, is better than a 90-99% Manning for 2-3 years? A 90-99% Manning is a division dominating, possible Super Bowl winning Manning. A Tebow at 50% of Manning is a well below average QB.

Here's a question for everyone. Is there anyone else out there that thinks that Tebow WAS SUPPOSED TO BE what Cam Newton actually is??? Big, strong, scrambling, QB? Because Tebow is nothing compared to the guy.

vandammage13
06-06-2012, 09:34 AM
So...... what you're saying is that the only reason we won one playoff game is because of Tebow. Yep, the rest of the team had NOTHING to do with it. :tsk:

It's wishful thinking to expect Tebow to even be an average QB at this point in his career. Thats wishful thinking.

Jeesh, get over it. :tsk:

Most on here say that we simply got lucky...Everything had to go right at the right times for us to win.

Everyone on the team contributed to that, not just one player.

As for that one player you are talking about, the unconventional offense that came with him helped us in the beginning because teams didn't know how to prepare for it. When we tried to run things conventionally we had the worst record in the league.

So what I'm saying is our team was so untalented that it took a bunch of lucky plays and a very unique offense to win. From a conventional standpoint, we haven't been even remotely competitive over the last 3 years.

So yeah, we are nowhere close to having the talent to compete for a SB. I expect us to have a decent record this year, but not a true contender.

vandammage13
06-06-2012, 09:37 AM
So the problem isn't Manning, because that's about as long as we expect to have a healthy Manning. But think about what you just said... Tebow at 50% of Manning EVER, is better than a 90-99% Manning for 2-3 years? A 90-99% Manning is a division dominating, possible Super Bowl winning Manning. A Tebow at 50% of Manning is a well below average QB.

Here's a question for everyone. Is there anyone else out there that thinks that Tebow WAS SUPPOSED TO BE what Cam Newton actually is??? Big, strong, scrambling, QB? Because Tebow is nothing compared to the guy.

That's not what I said...

I said that Tebow at 50% of Manning is better than NO MANNING (which is what it will be in 2-3 years).

And I was just using the arbitrary 50% number just to make a point. If Tebow can be just 50% of the passer Manning was, then he will still be a viable QB because of all of the other things his game brings to the table. But forget about the 50%...he'll probably be around 75% of the passer when all is said and done.

TXBRONC
06-06-2012, 09:52 AM
haha...its a lot of Broncos fans that have no sense of reality. The thought that a guy who hasn't played a snap in a year is going to get us a Super Bowl within the 2-3 good years he has left is simply wishful thinking.

If we were a team that was very close (like the 49ers or Texans) then I would say its a good move to go for it all, but we simply aren't a good enough team at this point to hope that adding one player who is at the end of his career is going to get us to the top.

You're confusing actual Broncos fans with Tebowites. For the most part Tebowites are not fans of the Broncos. The generally prefer the college game to the pro game and more precisely they're fans of the Florida Gators.

turftoad
06-06-2012, 10:09 AM
That's not what I said...

I said that Tebow at 50% of Manning is better than NO MANNING (which is what it will be in 2-3 years).

And I was just using the arbitrary 50% number just to make a point. If Tebow can be just 50% of the passer Manning was, then he will still be a viable QB because of all of the other things his game brings to the table. But forget about the 50%...he'll probably be around 75% of the passer when all is said and done.

I'd rather have someone other than Tebow thats 75% of Manning without the freeking circus. Tebow is NOT the only other QB out there besides Manning.

MOtorboat
06-06-2012, 10:19 AM
In two or three years I'll take Osweiler, or whoever the next quarterback would be over a wildcat and punt protection specialist.

GEM
06-06-2012, 10:40 AM
That's not what I said...

I said that Tebow at 50% of Manning is better than NO MANNING (which is what it will be in 2-3 years).

And I was just using the arbitrary 50% number just to make a point. If Tebow can be just 50% of the passer Manning was, then he will still be a viable QB because of all of the other things his game brings to the table. But forget about the 50%...he'll probably be around 75% of the passer when all is said and done.

Sorry Van....if you think Tebow will ever hit 75% you are a far better optimist that I will ever be.

TXBRONC
06-06-2012, 11:04 AM
Nah...I don't "hate" Manning...I think he's one of the best of all time and there's certainly nothing about his game or him as a person that would make me "hate" him.

I just simply don't think this move is going to be good for us in the long run.

Brett Favre was one of the greatest QB's of all time too...Do you think that the Jets or Vikings were better off for getting a couple years out of him?

So you're smarter than Elway and you're better at analyzing what Denver needs? Maybe you should see if Pat Bowlen will fire Elway and put you in his place?

What the hell makes you more qualified to decided where this team is at and what they need? As far as I'm concerned you're just another fan who thinks he thinks knows more about this team or football in general than guys who actually get paid to do the job.

Just few posts back you went on about how if we were close to getting to the Super Bowl like 49ers or Texans that would make a difference about having Manning around. (I know that's not your exact words.) Did it cross your mind for a nano second that maybe just maybe both Jets and Vikings both thought they had the right pieces to make a run at a championship? I know for sure Vikings thought that and given the fact the did get all the way to the NFC championship game. It last more than that's but the risk you take. The Vikings and Jets didn't someone behind Farve that they were trying to develop. Elway went out and got someone that the team will try and develop. There is risk invovled, but the risk wouldn't be any less if we had kept Tebow.

Northman
06-06-2012, 12:21 PM
http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/479/176/Tebow-Crying_display_image.jpg?1288644873



:lol::lol::lol:

Northman
06-06-2012, 12:25 PM
Nah...I don't "hate" Manning...I think he's one of the best of all time and there's certainly nothing about his game or him as a person that would make me "hate" him.

I just simply don't think this move is going to be good for us in the long run.

Brett Favre was one of the greatest QB's of all time too...Do you think that the Jets or Vikings were better off for getting a couple years out of him?

Jets? No. Bad overall team and it still has issues. Tebow wont help there at all in terms of the circus he creates.

Minny? I would say that the Vikings were quite happy to make the NFCCG a few years ago. Did they get a SB or ring? No, but it was an improvement over the black version of Tebow that they had and who is now stinking it up in Seattle.

Northman
06-06-2012, 12:26 PM
haha...its a lot of Broncos fans that have no sense of reality. The thought that a guy who hasn't played a snap in a year is going to get us a Super Bowl within the 2-3 good years he has left is simply wishful thinking.

If we were a team that was very close (like the 49ers or Texans) then I would say its a good move to go for it all, but we simply aren't a good enough team at this point to hope that adding one player who is at the end of his career is going to get us to the top.


Ok, Bullgator.

vandammage13
06-06-2012, 04:54 PM
So you're smarter than Elway and you're better at analyzing what Denver needs? Maybe you should see if Pat Bowlen will fire Elway and put you in his place?

What the hell makes you more qualified to decided where this team is at and what they need? As far as I'm concerned you're just another fan who thinks he thinks knows more about this team or football in general than guys who actually get paid to do the job.

Just few posts back you went on about how if we were close to getting to the Super Bowl like 49ers or Texans that would make a difference about having Manning around. (I know that's not your exact words.) Did it cross your mind for a nano second that maybe just maybe both Jets and Vikings both thought they had the right pieces to make a run at a championship? I know for sure Vikings thought that and given the fact the did get all the way to the NFC championship game. It last more than that's but the risk you take. The Vikings and Jets didn't someone behind Farve that they were trying to develop. Elway went out and got someone that the team will try and develop. There is risk invovled, but the risk wouldn't be any less if we had kept Tebow.

I'm a fan and entitled to my opinion...doesn't necessarily make me right.

As far as John Elway, the jury is still out on Elway the VP. Being one of the greatest of all time doesn't make you a great evaluator of personnel or immune to criticism...ask Michael Jordan.

vandammage13
06-06-2012, 04:55 PM
Jets? No. Bad overall team and it still has issues. Tebow wont help there at all in terms of the circus he creates.

Minny? I would say that the Vikings were quite happy to make the NFCCG a few years ago. Did they get a SB or ring? No, but it was an improvement over the black version of Tebow that they had and who is now stinking it up in Seattle.

And how are the Vikings doing now? (Which is precisely my point)

Sure, we'll get some instant gratification out of this, barring an unforseen injury, but when getting a QB you should be thinking long-term, not short term...Unless you really believe that you have a shot to win it all NOW..which we don't.

MOtorboat
06-06-2012, 05:03 PM
And how are the Vikings doing now? (Which is precisely my point)

Sure, we'll get some instant gratification out of this, barring an unforseen injury, but when getting a QB you should be thinking long-term, not short term...Unless you really believe that you have a shot to win it all NOW..which we don't.

There's zero causation in your logic.

The Vikings don't suck because Brett Favre played for them three years ago. They suck because Donovan McNabb wasn't good and Christian Ponder is questionable.

If the Broncos suck after Peyton Manning leaves its not because they signed Peyton Manning, it's because the next quarterback sucks.

Favre signed with the Jets too. They've played in the AFC Championship game twice since he's left the team (something Tebow fans like to forget) with Sanchez under center.

There are no five to ten year plans in the NFL. You can turn a team in one, and if you get the right quarterback compete in two.

turftoad
06-06-2012, 05:09 PM
And how are the Vikings doing now? (Which is precisely my point)

Sure, we'll get some instant gratification out of this, barring an unforseen injury, but when getting a QB you should be thinking long-term, not short term...Unless you really believe that you have a shot to win it all NOW..which we don't.

Do you honestly think Tebow is the ONLY young QB that has talent out there. Hell, every team in the league is looking for thier next starter. Not many of them thought Tebow was the answer either or they would have stepped up to the plate with a better trade offer.
Get over it, he sucks.

Northman
06-06-2012, 06:55 PM
And how are the Vikings doing now? (Which is precisely my point)

Sure, we'll get some instant gratification out of this, barring an unforseen injury, but when getting a QB you should be thinking long-term, not short term...Unless you really believe that you have a shot to win it all NOW..which we don't.

Says you, not says the people who actually know what they are doing. As for the long term, see Brock. Tebow didnt want to sit and wait, if you have a beef as too why he isnt here take your teenage angst out on him.

Chef Zambini
06-07-2012, 08:14 AM
I agree...He won't ever be in Manning's league. However my main problem is that Tebow at about 50% of Manning is still better than no Manning (which is what it will be after 2-3 years).unless TEBOW moves to fullback or TE, he will be out of the NFL in 3 years.
he aint smart enough to play QB, and he sucks as a passer, something a QB is suppose to be good at.
He sucks so bad he could be a spokesperson for DYSON !

TXBRONC
06-07-2012, 09:50 AM
I'm a fan and entitled to my opinion...doesn't necessarily make me right.

As far as John Elway, the jury is still out on Elway the VP. Being one of the greatest of all time doesn't make you a great evaluator of personnel or immune to criticism...ask Michael Jordan.

Yeah you're a fan of Tebow. I got it.

Chef Zambini
06-07-2012, 09:58 AM
were you wearing your seatbelt when this vandammage took place?