My stab at 53

[Fan in Exile]

QB – Orton, Simms, Brandstater
RB – Moreno, Buckhalter, Arrington, Torain
FB – Hillis
WR – Marshall, Royal, Stokely, Gaffney, McKinley
TE – Graham, Scheffler, Quinn
OT – Clady, Harris, Polumbus, Gorin
G– Hamilton, Kuper, Olsen
C– Weigmann, Lichtensteiger

NT – Fields, Baker, Powell
DE–Ayers, Peterson, McBean, Thomas, Askew
ILB– Williams, Davis, Woodyard
OLB – Dumerville, Reid, Crowder, Robinson
Saf. – Dawkins, Hill, McBath, Barrett, Bruton
CB – Bailey, Goodman, Smith, Bell, Williams

Specialists – Prater (K), Kern (P), Paxton (LS)

PS- Walker(RB), Swift(WR), Pedescleaux(DE), Davis(DE), Schlueter (C), Gordon (G/T), Branson (TE), Greisen (LB)

Let me know what you think.

[broncofaninfla]

I like it but I feel Spencer Larsen will make the roster at ILB

[Fan in Exile]

QB – Orton, Simms, Brandstater
RB – Moreno, Buckhalter, Arrington, Torain
FB – Hillis
WR – Marshall, Royal, Stokely, Gaffney, McKinley
TE – Graham, Scheffler, Quinn
OT – Clady, Harris, Polumbus, Gorin
G– Hamilton, Kuper, Olsen
C– Weigmann, Lichtensteiger

NT – Fields, Baker, Powell
DE–Ayers, Peterson, McBean, Thomas
ILB– Williams, Davis, Woodyard, Larsen
OLB – Dumerville, Reid, Crowder, Robinson
Saf. – Dawkins, Hill, McBath, Barrett, Bruton
CB – Bailey, Goodman, Smith, Bell, Williams

Specialists – Prater (K), Kern (P), Paxton (LS)

PS- Walker(RB), Swift(WR), Pedescleaux(DE), Davis(DE), Schlueter (C), Gordon (G/T), Branson (TE), Greisen (LB)

I think you're right. I just had too many DE. I don't think that ILB spot will be as valuable because I think the SILB is going to end up getting pulled a lot for a DB. However we do need more of a back-up for Davis. Larsen is a good special teamer and a two down thumper that we can have starting in the future.

[Buff]

Torain is overrated. He'll be bagging groceries next fall.

[NameUsedBefore]

Yeah I'm not sure Torain will be making it.

I think one of the O-line starters will be different by the time the season starts.

[Fan in Exile]

Yeah I'm not sure Torain will be making it.

I think one of the O-line starters will be different by the time the season starts.

Turner seemed to be very high on Torain, I also think he's our best all around back up. Buck and J.J. are more situational/rotational guys, so I think Torain beats out Jordan based on performance and age.

I do however think that you're right about one of our o-line guys being different. Specifically I think Weigman will be out but I'm not ready to make that change yet. I wanted to wait and see how the contract talks go, if they go at all.

The Pats have a history of letting guys walk, and I think Schlueter was brought in just in case Weigman does walk over the contract.

I suppose next on the list would be Hamilton, although I think he gets a lot off leeway for being a G/C. He brings a lot of flexibility so despite everything I think he sticks.

[MHCBill]

Jarvis Moss... that was a really good draft pick.

[MHCBill]

I think Lamont Jordan makes the team over Buckhalter.

Buck will get hurt in either training camp or pre-season and Jordan's familiarity with McDaneil's offense will allow him a spot.

[broncofaninfla]

I think Lamont Jordan makes the team over Buckhalter.

Buck will get hurt in either training camp or pre-season and Jordan's familiarity with McDaneil's offense will allow him a spot.

I wouldn't doubt that Buck gets hurt too but Hillis does everything that Jordan does only better.

[NameUsedBefore]

Turner seemed to be very high on Torain, I also think he's our best all around back up. Buck and J.J. are more situational/rotational guys, so I think Torain beats out Jordan based on performance and age.

I do however think that you're right about one of our o-line guys being different. Specifically I think Weigman will be out but I'm not ready to make that change yet. I wanted to wait and see how the contract talks go, if they go at all.

The Pats have a history of letting guys walk, and I think Schlueter was brought in just in case Weigman does walk over the contract.

I suppose next on the list would be Hamilton, although I think he gets a lot off leeway for being a G/C. He brings a lot of flexibility so despite everything I think he sticks.

I don't think Wiegmann and Hamilton both make it through camp completely healthy. If they do they should be the starters, but there's something about those two that tells me they're injury prone (Wiegmann due to age; Hamilton because he's Hamilton).

[Fan in Exile]

I wouldn't doubt that Buck gets hurt too but Hillis does everything that Jordan does only better.

This was my thinking as well. It's nice to pay him, and let him teach the guys during camp, but I don't think he makes it to the final 53. RBs at his age are hitting their decline, and his advantage of knowing the scheme will wear off pretty quick. At least I hope so because otherwise it means the other guys aren't getting it which is a bad sign.

[Fan in Exile]

I don't think Wiegmann and Hamilton both make it through camp completely healthy. If they do they should be the starters, but there's something about those two that tells me they're injury prone (Wiegmann due to age; Hamilton because he's Hamilton).

I think in addition to injury there's the question of Weigmann wanting a new contract and how Hamilton fits the new wrinkles that McD is bringing in. I just wasn't sure which one to pull the trigger on.

[BHamita15]

A couple thoughts:

1. I would think that you would need more than 5 WRs in the new offensive system. For that reason, I'd find it difficult to leave off Chad Jackson.

2. McDaniels has said that 5-6 DL will be active on game day. With Reid at being slated to play DE and OLB, I think you could probably swing Baker onto the PS, with Marcus Thomas playing 3rd string NT.

[BroncoTech]

I could see then keeping only 2 quarterbacks active leaving Simms as the odd man out. Or maybe stash the rookie QB off on the PS, if possible.

[broncofaninfla]

Who do you guys feel will be returning kicks/ punts this year?

[Lonestar]

Who do you guys feel will be returning kicks/ punts this year?

hopefully a bronco..

[broncofaninfla]

hopefully a bronco..

LOL!

Does anybody know if any of the, FA, rookies we drafted or rookies we signed have experience at returning kicks/punts?

[Elevation inc]

Qb- Kyle Orton/Chris Simms/Tom Brandstater
RB- Knowshon Moreno/Correll Buckhalter/Lamont Jordan/J.J. Arrington
FB- Peyton Hillis/Spencer Larsen
WR- BRandon Marshall/Eddie Royal/BRandon Stokley/Jabar Gaffney/Kenny Mckinnely
TE- Daniel Graham/Tony Sheff/Richard Quinn
OT- Ryan Clady/Ryan Harris/Tyler Polumbus
OG- Ben Hamilton/Kris Kuper/Korey Licht
C- Casey Weigman/Blake Scuhleter

LDE- Ryan Mcbean/Nic Clemons
NT- Marcus Thomas/Ryan Fields/Chris baker
RDE- Kenny Peterson/Carlton Powell/Rulon Davis
SOLB- Robert Ayers/Darrell Reid
WOLB- Elvis Dumervil/Jarvis Moss
ILB- DJ Williams/Andra Davis/Wesley Woodyard/Nick Griesen/Spencer Larsen
SS- Brian Dawkins/David Bruton
FS- Renaldo Hill/Darcel MCbath
CB- Champ Bailey/Andre Goodman/Alphonso Smith/Jack Williams/Tony Carter

K- Matt Prater
P- Brett Kern
LS- Lonnie Paxton


just my take.....

[broncofanatic1987]

QB – Orton, Simms
RB – Moreno, Buckhalter, Jordan, Arrington
FB – Hillis
WR – Marshall, Royal, Stokely, Gaffney, McKinley
TE – Graham, Scheffler, Quinn
OT – Clady, Harris, Polumbus
G– Hamilton, Kuper, Olsen
C– Weigmann, Lichtensteiger

NT – Fields, Baker, Parker
DE– Peterson, McBean, Thomas, R. Davis, Powell
ILB– Williams, A. Davis, Woodyard, Larsen
OLB – Ayers, B. Bailey, Dumervil, Reid, Robinson
S – Dawkins, Hill, McBath, Barrett, Bruton
CB – C. Bailey, Goodman, Smith, Bell, Williams

Specialists – Prater (K), Kern (P), Paxton (LS)

[Italianmobstr7]

Who do you guys feel will be returning kicks/ punts this year?

I'm pretty sure during one of the draft day press conferences McDaniels said that Royal will be returning punts and kicks. There were questions being brought up because Antonio Smith can return also, but I'm pretty sure he said that Royal would still be our return guy because he loves what he can do back there.

[Italianmobstr7]

QB – Orton, Simms
RB – Moreno, Buckhalter, Jordan, Arrington
FB – Hillis
WR – Marshall, Royal, Stokely, Gaffney, McKinley
TE – Graham, Scheffler, Quinn
OT – Clady, Harris, Polumbus
G– Hamilton, Kuper, Olsen
C– Weigmann, Lichtensteiger

NT – Fields, Baker, Parker
DE– Peterson, McBean, Thomas, R. Davis, Powell
ILB– Williams, A. Davis, Woodyard, Larsen
OLB – Ayers, B. Bailey, Dumervil, Reid, Robinson
S – Dawkins, Hill, McBath, Barrett, Bruton
CB – C. Bailey, Goodman, Smith, Bell, Williams

Specialists – Prater (K), Kern (P), Paxton (LS)

I think this is the most accurate.

[Superchop 7]

Kicks - Johnathan Jerone Arrington (if he returns kicks, it legitimizes bringing in 3 FA rb's "and" he is pretty damn good)

Punts- "The" Eddie Royal


I still think they will trade Scheff, no way he fits the offense.

Tom Brady-guy will go to P.S.

Count on a d-line pickup or two on June 1, our d-line is awful.

They can get the Rams linebacker "right now", he is a tackling machine, my guess is he didn't like Spags and Spags didn't like him.....sometimes a new coach will do that to a "player".

I think Davis is more mouth than results, but we'll see. (You heard it here first)

Guys like Larsen you definately want to keep around, playing both positions adds value.

Just my take.

[Lonestar]

I'm pretty sure during one of the draft day press conferences McDaniels said that Royal will be returning punts and kicks. There were questions being brought up because Antonio Smith can return also, but I'm pretty sure he said that Royal would still be our return guy because he loves what he can do back there.


I'd also bet that others will get a chance to beat him out..

IF they are better, he becomes a Backup.. which would be real sweet..

[Italianmobstr7]

I'd also bet that others will get a chance to beat him out..

IF they are better, he becomes a Backup.. which would be real sweet..

If they beat him out, awesome. That just means they're more dynamic than Eddie which is saying A LOT. If they don't, I'm fine with him returning punts and kicks. He's got a chance at taking one to the house every time he fields one.

[getlynched47]

QB – Orton, Simms, Brandstater
RB – Moreno, Buckhalter, Arrington, Torain
FB – Hillis
WR – Marshall, Royal, Stokely, Gaffney, McKinley
TE – Graham, Scheffler, Quinn
OT – Clady, Harris, Polumbus, Gorin
G– Hamilton, Kuper, Olsen
C– Weigmann, Lichtensteiger

NT – Fields, Baker, Powell
DE–Ayers, Peterson, McBean, Thomas, Askew
ILB– Williams, Davis, Woodyard
OLB – Dumerville, Reid, Crowder, Robinson
Saf. – Dawkins, Hill, McBath, Barrett, Bruton
CB – Bailey, Goodman, Smith, Bell, Williams

Specialists – Prater (K), Kern (P), Paxton (LS)

PS- Walker(RB), Swift(WR), Pedescleaux(DE), Davis(DE), Schlueter (C), Gordon (G/T), Branson (TE), Greisen (LB)

Let me know what you think.

Walker and Greisen are no longer eligible for the practice squad.

Lol at Torain making your 53 man roster.......he tore his ACL and that takes 1+ years to really come back from. He's out of football in 2009 IMO.

No love for Chad Jackson? He's got the second most experience in McDaniels system.....

10 Defensive Backs seems like a lot...but I hope they all make the team.

Other than that.......looks solid to me :salute:

[getlynched47]

Who do you guys feel will be returning kicks/ punts this year?

Arrington on Kickoff returns

Royal on Punt returns

[broncohead]

M. Thomas imo will be starting at a DE position. Just because McBean and Peterson where at camp doesn't mean anything. I'm sure they are trying to figure out who to cut and Thomas won't be one of them.

[Italianmobstr7]

Walker and Greisen are no longer eligible for the practice squad.

Lol at Torain making your 53 man roster.......he tore his ACL and that takes 1+ years to really come back from. He's out of football in 2009 IMO.

No love for Chad Jackson? He's got the second most experience in McDaniels system.....

10 Defensive Backs seems like a lot...but I hope they all make the team.

Other than that.......looks solid to me :salute:

Chad Jackson got cut from New England because he was a bust in their system, so I understand that move. Also, Jabar Gaffney is the most experienced with the McDaniels system. Other than that your post is dead on.

[getlynched47]

Chad Jackson got cut from New England because he was a bust in their system, so I understand that move. Also, Jabar Gaffney is the most experienced with the McDaniels system. Other than that your post is dead on.

Chad Jackson was not released by New England due to him not picking up the system.

In fact, he was on a great pace until he had a nagging hamstring injury...and then he tore his ACL, so the Patriots released him (that's why I think that's what will happen with Torain)

[Buff]

Qb- Orton/Simms/Brandstater
RB- Moreno/Buckhalter/Jordan/Arrington
FB- Hillis/Larsen
WR- Marshall/Royal/Stokley/Gaffney/Mckinnely
TE- Graham/Sheff/Quinn
OT- Clady/Harris/Polumbus
OG- Hamilton/Kuper/Licht
C- Weigman/Scuhleter

LDE- Ryan Mcbean/Nic Clemons
NT- Marcus Thomas/RYan Fields/Chris baker
RDE- Kenny Peterson/Carlton Powell/Rulon Davis
SOLB- Robert Ayers/Darrell Reid
WOLB- Elvis Duemrvil/Tim Crowder
ILB- DJ/Andra Davis/Woodyard/Larsen/Lee robinson
SS- Dawkins/Bruton
FS- Hill/MCbath
CB- Champ/Goodman/Smith/Williams/Bell

K- Prater
P- Kern
LS- Paxton


just my take.....

Boss Bailey gets cut for Lee Robinson? Are you an Alcorn St. fan? What do you know about this guy that we don't?

[horsepig]

Who cares who makes the 53? The one thing I see being ignored here is that Weigman has always anchored a very good O-line. Is he too small, too old, too whatever? Pay him a little more and keep him in there, he is the anchor.

[horsepig]

Keep Nails and Weigman around to groom the young guys.

[BANJOPICKER1]

I think Lamont Jordan makes the team over Buckhalter.

Buck will get hurt in either training camp or pre-season and Jordan's familiarity with McDaneil's offense will allow him a spot.

After many years of watching Buckhalter, I think the reverse, He makes it and Jordan goes! Buckhalter has been hurt, you are correct but that was as Westbrooks back up. He will have a new job this season and I think he will be able to stay healthy and do what they want versus Jordan who I think is done!:D

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BRONCOS!!!!!!!!!:salute:

[Elevation inc]

Boss Bailey gets cut for Lee Robinson? Are you an Alcorn St. fan? What do you know about this guy that we don't?

boss bailey is coming off a severe knee injury, he will not be the same in camp, and MCD will most likely give him an injury settlement....just my take.....as for robinson it will be a huge battle between 4 guys braxton kelly/nick greisen/robinson/and mario haggan....haggan is to old and will probally be a june 1st cut, braxton kelly is very good,but isnt quite as good as woodyard, my guess is the ps for him. so for me it comes down to griesen and robinson and i just like what robinson brings.......he will suprise many the same way woodyard and larsen did last year....


dont get me wrong though it will be a wire battle between him and griesen....and griesen is legit i just think robinson will wow in TC

[Elevation inc]

After many years of watching Buckhalter, I think the reverse, He makes it and Jordan goes! Buckhalter has been hurt, you are correct but that was as Westbrooks back up. He will have a new job this season and I think he will be able to stay healthy and do what they want versus Jordan who I think is done!:D

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BRONCOS!!!!!!!!!:salute:

buckhalter has been less injured the last 3 years then westbrook, he did great as westbrooks back-up with little drop off on the field.....its a big reason why philly still made the playoffs the when westbrook goes down for a few games each year

and torain will go before jordan or buckhalter

[hamrob]

I like the line up...but I think Robinson will play inside and I think Woodyard will end up outside. At 230lbs he's not playing the inside...not in my opinion. He'll get swallowed!

[Fan in Exile]

Walker and Greisen are no longer eligible for the practice squad.

Lol at Torain making your 53 man roster.......he tore his ACL and that takes 1+ years to really come back from. He's out of football in 2009 IMO.

No love for Chad Jackson? He's got the second most experience in McDaniels system.....

10 Defensive Backs seems like a lot...but I hope they all make the team.

Other than that.......looks solid to me :salute:

You're right about Walker and Greisen, for Walker I didn't realize that PS eligibility only lasted two years, for Greisen I just got confused about his experience. :banghead:

Torain may start on the PUP but I really think they are going to keep him around. Mostly because I remember the love that he got last year from the coaching staff, and we still have Turner and Dennison. Also because so many of the people on this board saying he will be gone have been a wrong a lot this offseason so I'm just playing the odds.

Nope, no love for Chad I think if Josh were counting on his experience in the system then he wouldn't have brought in Gaffney. I do however think that if we don't keep 10 DBs we would probably keep Jackson. However the ten DBs are more for special teams than anything else which is why I see Jackson getting the ax.

[broncofaninfla]

I like the line up...but I think Robinson will play inside and I think Woodyard will end up outside. At 230lbs he's not playing the inside...not in my opinion. He'll get swallowed!


I'm still intrigued that Woodyard lined up at ILB during the most recent mini camps.

[Fan in Exile]

You're right about Walker and Greisen, for Walker I didn't realize that PS eligibility only lasted two years, for Greisen I just got confused about his experience. :banghead:

Torain may start on the PUP but I really think they are going to keep him around. Mostly because I remember the love that he got last year from the coaching staff, and we still have Turner and Dennison. Also because so many of the people on this board saying he will be gone have been a wrong a lot this offseason so I'm just playing the odds.

Nope, no love for Chad I think if Josh were counting on his experience in the system then he wouldn't have brought in Gaffney. I do however think that if we don't keep 10 DBs we would probably keep Jackson. However the ten DBs are more for special teams than anything else which is why I see Jackson getting the ax.

I think this article (http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8104d93c&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true) raises a point about the guys who are going to make the roster.


Bigger changes are expected to occur among the blockers that teams use.

"It'll be different type guys back there, probably a little bit more athletic," Toub said. "You'd use D-linemen or O-linemen at times, but now you can't use those guys because they've got to be able to block in space. One of those two guys is going to probably be more of an athletic type of guy because he's got to be able to block a man in space -- a linebacker, fullback type of guy."

Consequently, larger and less athletic players who are near the bottom of the depth charts at their respective positions are less likely to be activated on game day (or even make the final roster cut) than they were previously.

Another area heavily impacted by the elimination of the wedge is kickoff coverage, where adjustments also are being made.

"The coverage is going to be different," Toub said. "Before, guys would come down and say, 'OK, there's the wedge, I know where the return is going.' That freed up your mind to play fast on kickoff coverage. Now when you come down, you have a man blocking you. You don't know exactly where that point of attack is. It's kind of like covering a punt where you have a guy that's blocking you down the field on a punt return. The return can actually hit anywhere so it makes coverage a lot tougher. You have to be ready to shed your man and run to the ball."

Such maneuverability will likely be taken into account when special teams coaches choose players for kickoff coverage.