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BronColt
04-26-2012, 09:20 PM
Still draft in 1st round. Who is it gonna be?

cmc0605
04-26-2012, 09:21 PM
Worthy...?

MOtorboat
04-26-2012, 09:23 PM
Worthy, Still or Martin.

Good trade. Denver has four mid-round picks from 108 to 137. Should get great value.

BigDaddyBronco
04-26-2012, 09:26 PM
Or Reyes. Martin to GB?

hotcarl
04-26-2012, 09:31 PM
Jarvis Shoate III

Mannway187
04-26-2012, 09:33 PM
Lamar Miller

BigDaddyBronco
04-26-2012, 09:37 PM
Konz.

Softskull
04-26-2012, 09:37 PM
what did we get for the trade?

BigDaddyBronco
04-26-2012, 09:40 PM
A 4th rounder.

BronColt
04-26-2012, 09:51 PM
Now with the Bucs. Big Friday!

Mannway187
04-26-2012, 09:54 PM
what did we get? 2nd? 3rd? or 4th rounders?

broncofaninfla
04-26-2012, 09:56 PM
Day two trade ammo, I like it.

Cugel
04-26-2012, 11:57 PM
Gave up #25 = 720 points.
Got #126 = 46 points + #31 = 600 points = 646 points. I.E they lost 74 points.

Second trade:

Got #36 (540) + #101 (96) = 636 points.
Gave #31 (720) + #126 (46) = 766 points.

TOTAL LOSS = 130 points +74 points = 204 points. Equal to the #13th pick of the 3rd round. So, over all they lost a mid-high 3rd rounder just do do these deals. :coffee:

Ravage!!!
04-26-2012, 11:59 PM
OMG Cugel, seriously..... dude... get over it.

Those numbers mean NOTHING. Its not money, its purely a reference, and NOTHING more. For the love of Tebow........

Nick
04-27-2012, 12:03 AM
Gave up #25 = 720 points.
Got #126 = 46 points + #31 = 600 points = 646 points. I.E they lost 74 points.

Second trade:

Got #36 (540) + #101 (96) = 636 points.
Gave #31 (720) + #126 (46) = 766 points.

TOTAL LOSS = 130 points +74 points = 204 points. Equal to the #13th pick of the 3rd round. So, over all they lost a mid-high 3rd rounder just do do these deals. :coffee:

Just means they were trying to move out... People were not battling moving up. It only works other way if someone really really wants a person. So people on board and whom were falling was worth losing value in points rather then picking those players.

Northman
04-27-2012, 12:05 AM
Well, if we are going strictly by "value" than the Pats severely overreached on Jones. He was ranked 56th overall.

Cugel
04-27-2012, 12:07 AM
OMG Cugel, seriously..... dude... get over it.

Those numbers mean NOTHING. Its not money, its purely a reference, and NOTHING more. For the love of Tebow........

First of all, I DON'T love Tebow, so leave that out.

Second, the points DO mean something. All trades are based on them. If you deny that you simply are denying reality.

But, you're totally missing the point!

What exactly is the purpose of trading down if you don't gain anything? If in fact you simply lose some value?

Cugel
04-27-2012, 12:10 AM
Well, if we are going strictly by "value" than the Pats severely overreached on Jones. He was ranked 56th overall.

That "value" has ZERO to do with the points chart that trades are based on. Don't mix up concepts that have nothing to do with one another! The Pats valued that player so he was worth 720 points. Period.

If he turns out to be a bust then they wasted 720 points they could have spent on someone else. So what?

My point is simply that trades down are supposed to net you SOMETHING and this didn't. They made two trades to gain a 4th round pick, but the value of the picks they gave up was actually equal to a mid 3rd rounder.

How does this equal great trading?

BroncoStud
04-27-2012, 12:16 AM
A bit dramatic?

jhildebrand
04-27-2012, 12:16 AM
Baltimore got two picks from Minnesota and much higher picks. That alone should have set the table for the Denver TB trade!

I agree with Cugel and TX on this. Each trade should have netted the Broncos 1 additional pick (2 total). In the end, they only ended up with 1 extra pick. Not worth it.

jhildebrand
04-27-2012, 12:19 AM
By the time the next draft rolls around I believe GM's will view the values differently. They will see that they should get more to trade up if for no other reason than the cost of the contract to move up is so safe and easy.

Ravage!!!
04-27-2012, 12:27 AM
First of all, I DON'T love Tebow, so leave that out.

Second, the points DO mean something. All trades are based on them. If you deny that you simply are denying reality.

But, you're totally missing the point!

What exactly is the purpose of trading down if you don't gain anything? If in fact you simply lose some value?

No, the points are PURELY for a point of reference and nothing more. Thats it, thats all. Its funny that you think the points are something chisled in stone, or constructed of iron. They are nothing more than a chart to use as reference, and not to hold as a undeniable golden rule. I'm sorry you feel that we didn't get a player you wanted, but the REALITY is......the team didn't see a player on the list they felt had the value of a first round pick, so they traded down and got more 2nd day picks.

But you are starting to sound like rainman with the same repeated whine over and over again. Im pretty damned certain that if you could talk with Elway, he could explain to you the reasoning, and I'm betting he doesn't put NEARLY as much stock into that arbitrary sheet of numbers as you do, and that would completely negate any complaint you have. Your complaint is PURELY based on a reference sheet. Thats it.

They don't have to follow that chart at all. You do realize this, right? If they want to move down, and the ONLY offer that get doesn't meet up with the "number" on a piece of paper..... so be it. Just as a team doesn't have to accept 2 first round picks for a franchised player. Just as the #1 overall pick doesn't have to get the entire draft to move down. They can accept anything they wish, because the number on that sheet mean NOTHING, and the only "value" that means ANYTHING to the team is how THEY "value" an individual player. Period.

SpringsBroncoFan
04-27-2012, 12:37 AM
Well, if we are going strictly by "value" than the Pats severely overreached on Jones. He was ranked 56th overall.

Mayock talked about that, something to the effect that the media doing the ranking didn't watch enough tape. He was a late riser because the teams watched more tape. One scout told Mayock to go watch more tape on the prior year for one guy that Mayock didn't have ranked high enough.

The fuss in here about Irvin being a bust is an example... Mayock was told 6 teams had Irvin as a 1st and that one of the nfc west teams was going to take him - but Mayock thought it was SF that was going to take him.

jhildebrand
04-27-2012, 12:39 AM
Bruce Irvin and Chandler Jones are both going to be big time players. I had them in my mock for Denver albeit much later. Those guys just began to show a little of what they can do.

Chandler Jones will be looked at in a few years like JPP in NY. Whomever in NE called for that to be the pick clearly could see the kid is a beast. I follow SU and they had some nice talent. Nasib the QB could be a riser this year. The kid has ice in his veins with a collapsing pocket!

Broncomarkie
04-27-2012, 01:15 AM
We got screwed tonight with our compensation on trades. At the least we should have gotten another pick somewhere in-between rounds three and four. EFX-good offseason..bad first day of the draft. We need to hit homeruns on day 2 to validate the moves from day 1. We are not a strong enough team that can afford moving back and skipping picks...

OrangeFanatic
04-27-2012, 01:57 AM
Eh, I'm not too worried. Let's see how it all plays out in the end. This might turn out to be better than we all previously thought.

Mannway187
04-27-2012, 08:10 AM
Gave up #25 = 720 points.
Got #126 = 46 points + #31 = 600 points = 646 points. I.E they lost 74 points.

Second trade:

Got #36 (540) + #101 (96) = 636 points.
Gave #31 (720) + #126 (46) = 766 points.

TOTAL LOSS = 130 points +74 points = 204 points. Equal to the #13th pick of the 3rd round. So, over all they lost a mid-high 3rd rounder just do do these deals. :coffee:

Dude,
Explain how pick #31 is worth only 600 mythical points when we got it but suddenly when we got rid of it it was worth 720 mythical points? Your system can no longer be trusted. And how is the 36th pick only worth 540? Its only 5 picks after the 31st. There isn't that big a difference between a late 1st and an early 2nd. Definately a faulty system no matter how you slice it.

CoachChaz
04-27-2012, 08:10 AM
Bruce Irvin and Chandler Jones are both going to be big time players. I had them in my mock for Denver albeit much later. Those guys just began to show a little of what they can do.

Chandler Jones will be looked at in a few years like JPP in NY. Whomever in NE called for that to be the pick clearly could see the kid is a beast. I follow SU and they had some nice talent. Nasib the QB could be a riser this year. The kid has ice in his veins with a collapsing pocket!

What the hell has Jones done to show he'll be another JPP? The guy has ZERO pass rush skill. If Jones gets more than 8 sacks EVER...I'll be shocked.

I'm very confused on what NE is trying to do. They essentially now have 3 ILB's and ZERO pass rush. For a team that expects to have the lead on a regular basis, they sure are prepared for teams to run against them.