for all the mcfadden people....

[underrated29]

IF the broncos dont tank this season and end up 10-6 or something close. And we do lose henry to suspension. Would you want to trade up to pick 5 or 6 to get mcfadden knowing that we would have to give up of 1st this year and next and probably our 2nd this year and 4th this year and 3rd next year?

would you still want to go up and get him knowing we wouldnt draft again until rd 4?

[anton...]

no unproven player is worth that much...

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[Tned]

no unproven player is worth that much...

:coffee:

I would tend to agree, even more so with Denver's system that doesn't need a 'great' back. I think having another 'great back' which we haven't had since TD would greatly help this offense, but not at that cost.

That would remind me of what Ditka did to get Ricky Williams, which didn't make the Saints a contender, or Minnesotta in trading for Hershell Walker. I don't think there are many players that it would be worth giving up an entire draft, or a significant part of two drafts to get.

[underrated29]

definitley, i think we need a lb or dt which ever is the better player with our 1st. Rb is a need but not our whole draft.

[TXBRONC]

IF the broncos dont tank this season and end up 10-6 or something close. And we do lose henry to suspension. Would you want to trade up to pick 5 or 6 to get mcfadden knowing that we would have to give up of 1st this year and next and probably our 2nd this year and 4th this year and 3rd next year?

would you still want to go up and get him knowing we wouldnt draft again until rd 4?

Two things Under.

1.) Unless McFadden is injuried severely or inexplicably falls off he will more than likely be the overall number one pick in the draft.

2.) Even if McFadden should fall to the 5th or 6th slot, we don't have full slate of draft picks to offer in trade.

[underrated29]

thats what i meant if he fell to 5 or 6. We would have to almost give up our whole draft this year for him and some of next year. I was just wondering if you still thought he would be worth it at that price, or would it be better to wait for another rb.

[TXBRONC]

I would tend to agree, even more so with Denver's system that doesn't need a 'great' back. I think having another 'great back' which we haven't had since TD would greatly help this offense, but not at that cost.

That would remind me of what Ditka did to get Ricky Williams, which didn't make the Saints a contender, or Minnesotta in trading for Hershell Walker. I don't think there are many players that it would be worth giving up an entire draft, or a significant part of two drafts to get.

While I believe you're correct about Denver not needing a great back for the system, having stud back like McFadden in this running attack would be fun to watch.

[TXBRONC]

thats what i meant if he fell to 5 or 6. We would have to almost give up our whole draft this year for him and some of next year. I was just wondering if you still thought he would be worth it at that price, or would it be better to wait for another rb.


I think we would have to give up our entire draft to get him. Besides that, if the rumors are true that Jerry Jones wants to draft him, he got the ammo to get it done.

[Tned]

While I believe you're correct about Denver not needing a great back for the system, having stud back like McFadden in this running attack would be fun to watch.

I agree. Even though the system was the same, the running game was so much better, and fun to watch, with TD back there.

[underrated29]

no doubt, he would definitely be game planned agianst every single game, If he has goods hands that would make it even worse for defenses. Plus he would probably gurantee a redzone td ratio to go up.

[lex]

IF the broncos dont tank this season and end up 10-6 or something close. And we do lose henry to suspension. Would you want to trade up to pick 5 or 6 to get mcfadden knowing that we would have to give up of 1st this year and next and probably our 2nd this year and 4th this year and 3rd next year?

would you still want to go up and get him knowing we wouldnt draft again until rd 4?

From my perspective, it kind of depends on how they utilize FA. But they do need a RB and there is a significant drop off after McFadden. Also, I was looking at the value chart and I think what you listed goes beyond that.

[underrated29]

From my perspective, it kind of depends on how they utilize FA. But they do need a RB and there is a significant drop off after McFadden. Also, I was looking at the value chart and I think what you listed goes beyond that.

PRObably did, i didnt have a value chart to refrence, so i just took a guess as to what it would cost us to move up that high.
is it just 1st this year and next and 2nd this year and like a 6th this year?

[Simple Jaded]

There are too many needs to trade up as it stands right now, and they have no 3rd round pick.

....But like Lex said, it would depend on what they do in free agency (Which could be next to nothing thanks to Travis Henry), and it would depend on where the Broncos finish.

[lex]

PRObably did, i didnt have a value chart to refrence, so i just took a guess as to what it would cost us to move up that high.
is it just 1st this year and next and 2nd this year and like a 6th this year?

FYI, http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php

If you were to pick 20 in back to back years, it would exactly equal the #5 overall. But since its not certain where Denver might finish in 2008, it will likely cost another pick or two depending on how high it is.

[Lonestar]

I would tend to agree, even more so with Denver's system that doesn't need a 'great' back. I think having another 'great back' which we haven't had since TD would greatly help this offense, but not at that cost.

That would remind me of what Ditka did to get Ricky Williams, which didn't make the Saints a contender, or Minnesotta in trading for Hershell Walker. I don't think there are many players that it would be worth giving up an entire draft, or a significant part of two drafts to get.

But you have to remember that the coach did not ask for him nor did he play him once he got there..

It was not Hershel's fault he did not produce there.

But I agree with you if we are in the top 5 and have a chance at a great player then perhaps but to give up to much for a potential great one by trading down is another DAFT choice gone wild.

Myself I hope we never go after a stud RB in the draft as it is a crap shoot to start out with not even counting injuries..
We have been way to good at finding good to great RB later in the draft for a whole lot less money..

[lex]

But you have to remember that the coach did not ask for him nor did he play him once he got there..

It was not Hershel's fault he did not produce there.

But I agree with you if we are in the top 5 and have a chance at a great player then perhaps but to give up to much for a potential great one by trading down is another DAFT choice gone wild.

Myself I hope we never go after a stud RB in the draft as it is a crap shoot to start out with not even counting injuries..
We have been way to good at finding good to great RB later in the draft for a whole lot less money..

Thats not exactly true. A lot of it has to do with the teams they go to. Last I checked, Denver was pretty good at running the football. And also, the Saints and Cowboys are in different situations. The Broncos are in better shape than the Saints were when the Saints made that move. Also, what would be more analagous to the Herschel Walker trade would be if we were to trade, say, Champ Bailey for picks. And we're not exactly like Minnesota at the time either. We would probably have to give up this years #1 and next years and some combination of a couple of picks or a pick and a player. And if McFadden is the kind of RB who makes a the difference between 4.5 and 5.5 per carry, or a 4th and 1 and a 1st and 10, or better yet, a 15 yard run and a 75 yard run to the house, he is easily worth it.

[TXBRONC]

But you have to remember that the coach did not ask for him nor did he play him once he got there..

It was not Hershel's fault he did not produce there.

But I agree with you if we are in the top 5 and have a chance at a great player then perhaps but to give up to much for a potential great one by trading down is another DAFT choice gone wild.

Myself I hope we never go after a stud RB in the draft as it is a crap shoot to start out with not even counting injuries..
We have been way to good at finding good to great RB later in the draft for a whole lot less money..


I don't know if the coach wanted him or not, however with as much as the Vikings gave up for Walker I can't imagine that the GM would be stupid enough to broker that kind of a trade without the H.C. signing off on it. Also Walker did start immediately.

[Lonestar]

I don't know if the coach wanted him or not, however with as much as the Vikings gave up for Walker I can't imagine that the GM would be stupid enough to broker that kind of a trade without the H.C. signing off on it. Also Walker did start immediately.

I watched that deal for a long time while he did play he was set up for failure in MSP the coach played him grudgingly. I think it was less GM than owner wanted him.


We all know what he did before going up there on a DAL team and what he did when he came back. It was folly not to build their team around him.

That was the deal of all time excpet for the Mike Ditka deal for Williams.

[TXBRONC]

I watched that deal for a long time while he did play he was set up for failure in MSP the coach played him grudgingly. I think it was less GM than owner wanted him.


We all know what he did before going up there on a DAL team and what he did when he came back. It was folly not to build their team around him.

That was the deal of all time excpet for the Mike Ditka deal for Williams.

I remember that deal quite well. Now how do you know that Minnesota's coach played him grudgingly? I can't recall ever hearing anything to that effect. Also yes the GM and owner wanted him immediately because they thought Walker all they needed to make Super Bowl run that year.

Man I would love for Denver to fall into a folly like that. Because of that trade Jimmy Johnson was able to pick basically most of what made the nucleus of team that won three Super Bowls in four year. When Walker returned he didn't play much, because he was behind Emmit Smith.

[Lonestar]

I remember that deal quite well. Now how do you know that Minnesota's coach played him grudgingly? I can't recall ever hearing anything to that effect. Also yes the GM and owner wanted him immediately because they thought Walker all they needed to make Super Bowl run that year.

Man I love for Denver to fall into a folly like that. Because of that trade Jimmy Johnson was able to pick basically most of what made the nucleus of team that won three Super Bowls in four year. When Walker returned he didn't play much, because he was behind Emmit Smith.

But when he was in he was a contributor. I also thought that MPS was close but they had other issues I watched pretty close as GB has been a favorite of mine since ice bowl days in the early 60's. Kept a close watch on what the division was doing so saw alot of their games back then.


Maybe we can get s moron GM to take Foxworth and give us like 8 draft choices that I could go for..

[lex]

But when he was in he was a contributor. I also thought that MPS was close but they had other issues I watched pretty close as GB has been a favorite of mine since ice bowl days in the early 60's. Kept a close watch on what the division was doing so saw alot of their games back then.


Maybe we can get s moron GM to take Foxworth and give us like 8 draft choices that I could go for..

Does anyone think we should have traded all of our picks in 2003 for a high draft pick that year?

[Lonestar]

Does anyone think we should have traded all of our picks in 2003 for a high draft pick that year?

I would have been just as happy not to have drafted foster and gotten ,Larry Johnson, Mcagahee, Bouldin, Briggs.
Wow was that a poor year for us or what..


2003 - Denver Broncos
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 20 George Foster T Georgia
2 51 Terry Pierce LB Kansas State
4 108 Quentin Griffin RB Oklahoma
4 114 Nick Eason DT Clemson
4 128 Bryant McNeal DE Clemson
5 157 Ben Claxton C Mississippi
5 158 Adrian Madise WR Texas Christian
6 194 Aaron Hunt -- Texas Tech
7 227 Clint Mitchell DE Florida
7 235 Ahmaad Galloway RB Alabama

[lex]

I would have been just as happy not to have drafted foster and gotten ,Larry Johnson, Mcagahee, Bouldin, Briggs.
Wow was that a poor year for us or what..


2003 - Denver Broncos
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 20 George Foster T Georgia
2 51 Terry Pierce LB Kansas State
4 108 Quentin Griffin RB Oklahoma
4 114 Nick Eason DT Clemson
4 128 Bryant McNeal DE Clemson
5 157 Ben Claxton C Mississippi
5 158 Adrian Madise WR Texas Christian
6 194 Aaron Hunt -- Texas Tech
7 227 Clint Mitchell DE Florida
7 235 Ahmaad Galloway RB Alabama

Yeah, it was horrible but the point is that you can have all the picks you want and it doesnt mean its going to benefit you. I think the larger point when looking at Dallas back then was the fact that they did an excellent job drafting regardless of the Walker trade and the Walker trade just helped them even more...but yeah, without being competent at drafting the Walker trade means nothing.

[xX-Bronco-Xx]

I wanted to do that for Calvin last draft.

Don't expect that to happen this draft. :laugh:

Would I be for it? Depends on how well we sign free agents.

[lex]

I wanted to do that for Calvin last draft.

Don't expect that to happen this draft. :laugh:

Would I be for it? Depends on how well we sign free agents.


Yeah, it would have been nice to have Calvin Johnson except a WR touches the ball 5-6 times a game, while a RB gets the ball 20-25 times a game.

[Lonestar]

Yeah, it would have been nice to have Calvin Johnson except a WR touches the ball 5-6 times a game, while a RB gets the ball 20-25 times a game.

One only has to ask who is the RB in NE, then how much has Moss meant to the team?
5 verses 20?

[broncosinindy]

IF the broncos dont tank this season and end up 10-6 or something close. And we do lose henry to suspension. Would you want to trade up to pick 5 or 6 to get mcfadden knowing that we would have to give up of 1st this year and next and probably our 2nd this year and 4th this year and 3rd next year?

would you still want to go up and get him knowing we wouldnt draft again until rd 4?

i wouldnt take him i would take james stewart

[lex]

One only has to ask who is the RB in NE, then how much has Moss meant to the team?
5 verses 20?

No, he also has Brady throwing to him. The QB is more to the passing game what the RB is to the running game. NE had a decent passing game with Brady before Moss was around. Oakland didnt really have a passing game to brag about even with Moss. Nice try though.

[lex]

Just for fun, I went and did draft where we would make a trade to draft high enough to select McFadden. First, we trade Foxworth, Gold, our 2008 1st, 2009 1st & 3rd. Then we sign Teddy Lehman and Boss Bailey. So here it is:

1) Darren McFadden, RB
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=56491
2) Dre Moore, DT
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=10964
4) Duane Brown, OT
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=11685
4) Maurice Murray, DT
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=73860
5) Jeremy Zuttah, OL
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=33570
5) Bryan Kehl, OLB
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=68185
7) Joe Fields, S
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=9466
7) Paul Raymond, WR/Ret
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=22150

[Simple Jaded]

I would have been just as happy not to have drafted foster and gotten ,Larry Johnson, Mcagahee, Bouldin, Briggs.
Wow was that a poor year for us or what..


2003 - Denver Broncos
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 20 George Foster T Georgia
2 51 Terry Pierce LB Kansas State
4 108 Quentin Griffin RB Oklahoma
4 114 Nick Eason DT Clemson
4 128 Bryant McNeal DE Clemson
5 157 Ben Claxton C Mississippi
5 158 Adrian Madise WR Texas Christian
6 194 Aaron Hunt -- Texas Tech
7 227 Clint Mitchell DE Florida
7 235 Ahmaad Galloway RB Alabama


That is just beyond pathetic....It's the Blutarsky Line: "Zero-Point-Zero"....Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to build a football team!!!

[underrated29]

Just for fun, I went and did draft where we would make a trade to draft high enough to select McFadden. First, we trade Foxworth, Gold, our 2008 1st, 2009 1st & 3rd. Then we sign Teddy Lehman and Boss Bailey. So here it is:

1) Darren McFadden, RB
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=56491
2) Dre Moore, DT
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=10964
4) Duane Brown, OT
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=11685
4) Maurice Murray, DT
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=73860
5) Jeremy Zuttah, OL
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=33570
5) Bryan Kehl, OLB
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=68185
7) Joe Fields, S
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=9466
7) Paul Raymond, WR/Ret
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=22150


well, that looks good, but when i tried to go to see the ratings there were none. i had to be a premium member or somehting.

it had a little tidbit saying he split carries with some guy and both went for 100 yards and tds, and darren owns the school record for yards, but mentioned nothing of his strenghts or weaknesses.

[lex]

well, that looks good, but when i tried to go to see the ratings there were none. i had to be a premium member or somehting.

it had a little tidbit saying he split carries with some guy and both went for 100 yards and tds, and darren owns the school record for yards, but mentioned nothing of his strenghts or weaknesses.

He's not having the best season statistically but he is kind of in a similar position as Calvin Johnson in that basically, the defenses dont respect Arkansas' QB, at all and they load up on McFadden.

Here are some videos:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcssslTgHBQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qkx3d_NrVUstiff

I dont have a membership either but it kind of gives you a sense for where they rank when you look at the list of all prospects for various positions. Basically, think of a slightly faster version of Adrian Peterson, with a Walter Payton like stiff arm, and a better injury history than Peterson. He can also pass a little. If youd like Ill try to list bullet points for you from PFW in a while.

[underrated29]

He's not having the best season statistically but he is kind of in a similar position as Calvin Johnson in that basically, the defenses dont respect Arkansas' QB, at all and they load up on McFadden.

Here are some videos:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcssslTgHBQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qkx3d_NrVUstiff

I dont have a membership either but it kind of gives you a sense for where they rank when you look at the list of all prospects for various positions. Basically, think of a slightly faster version of Adrian Peterson, with a Walter Payton like stiff arm, and a better injury history than Peterson. He can also pass a little. If youd like Ill try to list bullet points for you from PFW in a while.

lol. thanks, but not nessacery.lol

[silkamilkamonico]

I have a man crush with McFadden, so any team that gets him is getting someone special, IMHO.

However, I think Jonathan Stewart out of Oregon is probably a better fit for Denver's offense, and might be available when Denver drafts. He will most likely be a first rounder this year, and he has all the talent in the world.

He runs a lot like Travis Henry, and has breakaway speed, he cuts well and is explosive, and he is extremely hard to bring down.

I do think he will be looked at closer than McFadden from Denver's organization.

[lex]

I have a man crush with McFadden, so any team that gets him is getting someone special, IMHO.

However, I think Jonathan Stewart out of Oregon is probably a better fit for Denver's offense, and might be available when Denver drafts. He will most likely be a first rounder this year, and he has all the talent in the world.

He runs a lot like Travis Henry, and has breakaway speed, he cuts well and is explosive, and he is extremely hard to bring down.

I do think he will be looked at closer than McFadden from Denver's organization.


I saw a piece this weekend on how he had to go through all these drills to improve his vision. This makes me wary because cutbacks are a big part of the offense. Im guessing guys who have good vision dont need this and what happens if the guy stops these exercises.

[TXBRONC]

I saw a piece this weekend on how he had to go through all these drills to improve his vision. This makes me wary because cutbacks are a big part of the offense. Im guessing guys who have good vision dont need this and what happens if the guy stops these exercises.

That's a problem that developed with T. Bell. He didn't always see the cut back lane.

[BaiLeY324]

If we don't have a top 10 pick then I don't think we should go after him. If we do, then yes.

[Tned]

Well, while we probably won't be far enough to grab McFadden, there is always his counterpunch. Felix Jones has run for over 1,000 yards this season and over a 9 ypc clip.

Stat Overview Rushing
YEAR ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
2007 114 1032 9.1 73 11

He is smaller (6' and 200 lbs), but he is also a Junior, and I would think with his numbers, also likely to come out in the draft, since next year instead of Jones and McFadden being the Hawgs entire offense, it will be Jones alone if he stays.

[Requiem / The Dagda]

Could be like the Auburn boys last year.

[lex]

Well, while we probably won't be far enough to grab McFadden, there is always his counterpunch. Felix Jones has run for over 1,000 yards this season and over a 9 ypc clip.

Stat Overview Rushing
YEAR ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
2007 114 1032 9.1 73 11

He is smaller (6' and 200 lbs), but he is also a Junior, and I would think with his numbers, also likely to come out in the draft, since next year instead of Jones and McFadden being the Hawgs entire offense, it will be Jones alone if he stays.


McFadden is the only RB worth taking in the first.

[Requiem / The Dagda]

McFadden is the only RB worth taking in the first.

I'd seriously disagree with this statement.

[lex]

I'd seriously disagree with this statement.

I dont doubt that.

[Requiem / The Dagda]

I dont doubt that.

I wouldn't take any senior in the first round, but there are a handful of juniors I'd wet my panties to.

[lex]

I wouldn't take any senior in the first round, but there are a handful of juniors I'd wet my panties to.

Jon Stewarts biggest strength is running behind his pads. Seeing the cutback has been one of his biggest weaknesses.

Cory Boyd also runs behind his pads but sees the cutback.

Jonathan Stewart is slotted to go in Rd 1, Cory Boyd is slotted to go in Rd 3. But Boyd and Stewart are closer in ability level than Stewart and McFadden. If not McFadden, it would be better to get another position in Rd 1.

[eessydo]

I personally think running back is the most interchangable position on the offense. They can usually step in rookie year and start making an impact. Look at last weeks rushing leaders:

1. Clinton Portis, second round (late second as we all know)
2. Jesse Chatman, undrafted.
3. Ryan Grant, undrafted.
4. Selvin Young, undrafted.
5. Willie Parker, undrafted.

How can 4 of the top 5 rushers in any given week in the NFL come from the ranks of the undrafted? Because they are the easiest position to fill.

Wrapping up all your cap money in an elite back is rough to do, when there are so many choices out there.

The first round Adrian Petersons are an exception NOT the rule. I would also say that McFadden is NO Adrian Peterson. So my answer is NO, no need to trade up when all that glitters was NOT gold.

[broncos9697]

he%% no.......are they nuts......first of all henry is not going to get booted for a year he passed the polygraph and the hair sample and the NFL should not boot him if they do something;s wrong......2nd of all there are other great young RB's out there to draft where we will be sitting at pick #16...''my guess..''

[CHARLIEADAMSFAN]

hes gonna go top 3 so not worth it

[broncosinindy]

Its my personel opionnon but i think JS from oregon is gonna be better then DMC

[lex]

For those advocates of Jonathan Stewart, he had 13 carries for 33 yards this weekend in a game where he didnt have a top shelf QB. McFadden hasnt been playing with a top shelf QB for two years in the SEC and has more career yards than Bo Jackson.

[Tned]

For those advocates of Jonathan Stewart, he had 13 carries for 33 yards this weekend in a game where he didnt have a top shelf QB. McFadden hasnt been playing with a top shelf QB for two years in the SEC and has more career yards than Bo Jackson.

Yep, and didn't Jackson stay in college for four years? I am not sure if he started all four, but I didn't think he came out early.

[lex]

Yep, and didn't Jackson stay in college for four years? I am not sure if he started all four, but I didn't think he came out early.

He started as a freshman but split carries with Lionel James. James and Jackson both started as Auburn ran the wishbone at that time. Bo played all 4 years but, again, split carries and missed time due to injury. So, in spite of playing 4 years, I think he has fewer carries than Hershel Walker who played 3 years.

[Tned]

So, with all but one bowl game left for McFadden, and assuming he is coming out. Where do you guys think he will go in the draft?

For those that haven't had a chance to see him much, here is his Heisman run website, that has video highlights (right side of the page that loads)

http://www.5darrenmcfadden.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=6100&SPID=2420

Here are some specific ones:

LSU:
http://www.hogwired.com//heisman/Video_Player.dbml?SPSID=30733&SPID=2420&DB_OEM_ID=6100&CID=82558

South Carolina (ran for 300 yards):
http://www.hogwired.com//heisman/Video_Player.dbml?SPSID=30733&SPID=2420&DB_OEM_ID=6100&CID=79105

[Tned]

His three year totals:


Stat Rushing Receiving
YEAR ATT YDS AVG LNG TD REC YDS AVG LNG TD
2005 176 1113 6.3 70 11 14 52 3.7 12 0
2006 284 1647 5.8 80 14 11 149 13.5 70 1
2007 304 1725 5.7 80 15 21 164 7.8 57 1
764 4485 5.9 230 40 46 365 25 139 2

He averaged 155 yds a game all purpose yards.

HIs kick return stats:


RETURNS G No. Yds TD Lg Avg/R Avg/G
TOTAL 37 37 893 1 92 24.1 24.1


And, his passing stats (mostly out of the Wildcat/Wild Hawg offense):


PASSING G Att Cmp Int Yds TD Lg Pct Avg/P Avg/G Effic
TOTAL 37 22 14 1 205 7 42 63.6 9.3 5.5 237.8

[Lonestar]

If he does not go to MIA I'd be surprised.. God only knows they need all the help they can get..

I do not think any of the following would let him slide by.

Jets

Raiders

falcon

COWBOYS will probably go after him because he is from AR.. Jerry Jones will move heaven and earth to get him. IMO

[underrated29]

HERes my opinion on him.


mia wont take him, they got brown who is good!, he just got hurt, they need a qb.

the jets0 definitely see them taking him

Atlanta-they need a rb and a qb- ithink brohm? is he the qb, was coached under patrino, thats whothey will take.

dal- who knows with jones right.

raiders wont- they got bush, he will be huge next year- just watch.

Id say jets, atlanta,dal will all give looks. cant think of any other sucky teams right now. I Bet the jets get him.

[Tned]

HERes my opinion on him.


mia wont take him, they got brown who is good!, he just got hurt, they need a qb.

the jets0 definitely see them taking him

Atlanta-they need a rb and a qb- ithink brohm? is he the qb, was coached under patrino, thats whothey will take.

dal- who knows with jones right.

raiders wont- they got bush, he will be huge next year- just watch.

Id say jets, atlanta,dal will all give looks. cant think of any other sucky teams right now. I Bet the jets get him.

Am I missing something on Dallas? How are they even in the picture? I thought they had their pick and Clevelands. Are you guys mentioning them based on them possibly trading up, or do they have another pick I am not aware of?

[underrated29]

yeah trading up, word is jones wants mcfadden bad. But thats just rumor

[Tned]

yeah trading up, word is jones wants mcfadden bad. But thats just rumor

Yes, I have heard that from some Cowboy's fans I know (this area is full of them). I wonder how much of that started when everyone assumed they would get a great draft pick this year from Cleveland.

[lex]

SELECTION ORDER AS OF 27-NOV-2007
Code:
Pick # Team W-L Pct. Opp Pct. Notes
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Pick: 1 Miami 0-11 .000 .534 Glen Dorsey
Pick: 2 NY Jets 2-9 .182 .523 Maybe McFadden but also maybe Chris Long
Pick: 3 St. Louis 2-9 .182 .523 Jake Long
Pick: 4 San Francisco 3-8 .273 .466 [traded to New England] Maybe McFadden or maybe Dan Connor, Laurinaitis, or Kenny Phillips
Pick: 5 Atlanta 3-8 .273 .506 Maybe McFadden but also maybe Brian Brohm
Pick: 6 Oakland 3-8 .273 .517 Probably McFadden but also maybe Laurinaitis, Connor or DeSean Jackson..remember they have that Bush dude they drafted last year.
Pick: 7 Cincinnati 4-7 .364 .472 Maybe McFadden but most likely a defensive player from USC
Pick: 8 Baltimore 4-7 .364 .500 Matt Ryan...McFadden, no.
Pick: 9 Kansas City 4-7 .364 .500 An Olineman, Cherilous maybe.
Pick: 10 Carolina 4-7 .364 .540 They would take McFadden
Pick: 11 Arizona 5-6 .455 .438 They would take McFadden
Pick: 12 New Orleans 5-6 .455 .472 They would NOT take McFadden with a lot of money tied up in their backfield already.
Pick: 13 Buffalo 5-6 .455 .506 They wouldnt take McFadden since they have Lynch. Pick:
14 Minnesota 5-6 .455 .528 They wouldnt take McFadden since they have AD.Pick:
15 Houston 5-6 .455 .534 Definitely would take him
Pick: 16 Philadelphia 5-6 .455 .568 They wouldnt take McFadden with Westbrook making big bucks.
Pick: 17 Washington 5-6 .455 .568
Pick: 18 Denver 5-6 .455 .572
Pick: 19 Chicago 5-6 .455 .584
Pick: 20 Tennessee 6-5 .545 .494
Pick: 21 San Diego 6-5 .545 .528
Pick: 22 Detroit 6-5 .545 .551
Pick: 23 Seattle 7-4 .636 .409
Pick: 24 Cleveland 7-4 .636 .426 [traded to Dallas]
Pick: 25 Tampa Bay 7-4 .636 .455
Pick: 26 NY Giants 7-4 .636 .511
Pick: 27 Pittsburgh 8-3 .727 .443
Pick: 28 Jacksonville 8-3 .727 .534
Pick: 29 Indianapolis 9-2 .818 .511 [traded to San Francisco]
Pick: 30 Green Bay 10-1 .909 .472
Pick: 31 Dallas 10-1 .909 .477
Pick: 32 New England 11-0 1.000 .455 [forfeited]

[underrated29]

SELECTION ORDER AS OF 27-NOV-2007
Code:
Pick # Team W-L Pct. Opp Pct. Notes
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Pick: 1 Miami 0-11 .000 .534 Glen Dorsey
Pick: 2 NY Jets 2-9 .182 .523 Maybe McFadden but also maybe Chris Long
Pick: 3 St. Louis 2-9 .182 .523 Jake Long
Pick: 4 San Francisco 3-8 .273 .466 [traded to New England] Maybe McFadden or maybe Dan Connor, Laurinaitis, or Kenny Phillips
Pick: 5 Atlanta 3-8 .273 .506 Maybe McFadden but also maybe Brian Brohm
Pick: 6 Oakland 3-8 .273 .517 Probably McFadden but also maybe Laurinaitis, Connor or DeSean Jackson..remember they have that Bush dude they drafted last year.
Pick: 7 Cincinnati 4-7 .364 .472 Maybe McFadden but most likely a defensive player from USC
Pick: 8 Baltimore 4-7 .364 .500 Matt Ryan...McFadden, no.
Pick: 9 Kansas City 4-7 .364 .500 An Olineman, Cherilous maybe.
Pick: 10 Carolina 4-7 .364 .540 They would take McFadden
Pick: 11 Arizona 5-6 .455 .438 They would take McFadden
Pick: 12 New Orleans 5-6 .455 .472 They would NOT take McFadden with a lot of money tied up in their backfield already.
Pick: 13 Buffalo 5-6 .455 .506 They wouldnt take McFadden since they have Lynch. Pick:
14 Minnesota 5-6 .455 .528 They wouldnt take McFadden since they have AD.Pick:
15 Houston 5-6 .455 .534 Definitely would take him
Pick: 16 Philadelphia 5-6 .455 .568 They wouldnt take McFadden with Westbrook making big bucks.
Pick: 17 Washington 5-6 .455 .568
Pick: 18 Denver 5-6 .455 .572
Pick: 19 Chicago 5-6 .455 .584
Pick: 20 Tennessee 6-5 .545 .494
Pick: 21 San Diego 6-5 .545 .528
Pick: 22 Detroit 6-5 .545 .551
Pick: 23 Seattle 7-4 .636 .409
Pick: 24 Cleveland 7-4 .636 .426 [traded to Dallas]
Pick: 25 Tampa Bay 7-4 .636 .455
Pick: 26 NY Giants 7-4 .636 .511
Pick: 27 Pittsburgh 8-3 .727 .443
Pick: 28 Jacksonville 8-3 .727 .534
Pick: 29 Indianapolis 9-2 .818 .511 [traded to San Francisco]
Pick: 30 Green Bay 10-1 .909 .472
Pick: 31 Dallas 10-1 .909 .477
Pick: 32 New England 11-0 1.000 .455 [forfeited]


new england wont take him, i agree oakland wont either with bush.

Carolina defintiely wont take him with deshaun faster and deangerlo williams a 1st rdr 2 years ago. Cinci- im with maybe , maybe not. arizona is a maybe and you are right houston def would take him

[topscribe]

I would have been just as happy not to have drafted foster and gotten ,Larry Johnson, Mcagahee, Bouldin, Briggs.
Wow was that a poor year for us or what..


2003 - Denver Broncos
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 20 George Foster T Georgia
2 51 Terry Pierce LB Kansas State
4 108 Quentin Griffin RB Oklahoma
4 114 Nick Eason DT Clemson
4 128 Bryant McNeal DE Clemson
5 157 Ben Claxton C Mississippi
5 158 Adrian Madise WR Texas Christian
6 194 Aaron Hunt -- Texas Tech
7 227 Clint Mitchell DE Florida
7 235 Ahmaad Galloway RB Alabama

Actually, that wasn't as bad a year as it might appear on the surface.
Foster is still starting in the NFL, and he brought us Bly (with Bell, of course).

I'm not sure Pierce was more a drafting bust than he was mishandled. He
was a MLB, whom they tried to make into an OLB . . . or perhaps OLB is
what they needed more. Whatever, but Pierce did have good measurables.
In fact, I don't know where he is now, but he did cross my mind in the
discussions in another thread about how D.J. would excel at WLB if the
Broncos only had a good MLB to replace him.

"Q" was a very good little scatback, who would have been a phenomenal
success, had he not torn up his leg, IMO. It was essentially a career-ending
injury, as it turned out, and that cannot be held against those who drafted
him.

It's true the rest of those drafted faded somewhere into the sunset, but
those three were not that bad of choices, IMHO.

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[Lonestar]

Actually, that wasn't as bad a year as it might appear on the surface.
Foster is still starting in the NFL, and he brought us Bly (with Bell, of course).

I'm not sure Pierce was more a drafting bust than he was mishandled. He
was a MLB, whom they tried to make into an OLB . . . or perhaps OLB is
what they needed more. Whatever, but Pierce did have good measurables.
In fact, I don't know where he is now, but he did cross my mind in the
discussions in another thread about how D.J. would excel at WLB if the
Broncos only had a good MLB to replace him.

"Q" was a very good little scatback, who would have been a phenomenal
success, had he not torn up his leg, IMO. It was essentially a career-ending
injury, as it turned out, and that cannot be held against those who drafted
him.

It's true the rest of those drafted faded somewhere into the sunset, but
those three were not that bad of choices, IMHO.

-----


Foster is not starting for DET has not even been able to crack the #4 OT for that team.

pierce is not in the NFL. As when he was cut disappeared from the scene altogether. Not sure he was claimed or ever signed by another team. I do know he is not in the NFL as we speak, unless he got picked up queitly somewhere.

I liked Q but alas lots of injury problems.

The entire daft was a total BUST IMO.

[Simple Jaded]

It was my feeling at the time that Pierce was drafted as Al Wilson insurance.

Meaning, in case they couldn't get something done with Wilson, who was a free agent to be the following year, Pierce was supposed to be his replacement.

As bad as the pick was, imagine what we'd think of the pick if they'd let Wilson walk as a FA (They threatened to use the Franchise tag to get him to sign, I think)?

Pierce is up there with Freidman and Toviessi as my all-time favorite Daft screw ups......

[Lonestar]

It was my feeling at the time that Peirce was drafted as Al Wilson insurance.

Meaning, in case they couldn't get something done with Wilson, who was a free agent to be the following year, Peirce was supposed to be his replacement.

As bad as the pick was, imagine what we'd think of the pick if they'd let Wilson walk as a FA (They threatened to use the Franchise tag to get him to sign, I think)?

Peirce is up there with Freidman and Toviessi as my all-time favorite Daft screw ups......

Yes your correct can you imagine him taking Al place, when he could not make it on any other team.. Major FUBAR by the king of the DAFTS.

[Requiem / The Dagda]

Foster started 9 games for the Lions this year.

[Retired_Member_001]

Foster started 9 games for the Lions this year.

So in other words, Foster started 9 games for the worst offensive line in proffesional football. :laugh:

I know I say you can't judge an offensive line by stats, but just by watching the Lions you can tell their offensive line is pathetic

[Lonestar]

So in other words, Foster started 9 games for the worst offensive line in proffesional football. :laugh:

I know I say you can't judge an offensive line by stats, but just by watching the Lions you can tell their offensive line is pathetic

If memory serves correct he was INACTIVE for our game, yep that sounds like a viable starter to me.

Lets see IF I were his coach and thought he was so great and he was playing his former team who dissed him. Well who better to get revenge on? What more motivation is there? .. But then of course those other games he started, I wonder how many of the other OT's were injured and not able to play..

Regardless he was a HUGE bust in DEN was given carte blanc to be the man first @ OLT and then @ ORT. We wasted a first rounder on him no one can deny that.. For that matter that whole year was a huge BUST.

Who replaced this clown in DEN?

Eric Pears A second-year player who registered the first starts of his career with Denver in 2006, starting the club’s final 10 games at left tackle in place of the injured Matt Lepsis. Spent his rookie year in 2005 on Denver’s practice squad.

A first rounder being replaced by:

Pears "Signed by Denver as a college free agent 5/12/05; Waived by Denver 9/3/05; Signed by Denver (practice squad) 9/4/05; Signed by Denver to a future contract 1/23/06"

Kinda tells you something about foster does it not?

[omac]

So in other words, Foster started 9 games for the worst offensive line in proffesional football. :laugh:

I know I say you can't judge an offensive line by stats, but just by watching the Lions you can tell their offensive line is pathetic

On a side note (not for or against Foster), part of the Lions' weakness in pass protection is Martz penchant for calling a lot of passing plays, some with 3 or 4 wide receiver sets. That's almost like the run-and-shoot; very minimal QB protection, ofcourse their QB is gonna get banged up. Some games, Martz decides to use KJ more, but other games, he's just pass happy.

[champbronc2]

I am not worried about getting a RB... please

Have you seen the defensive problems? We need to get a good OLB/MLB or a DT.

[lex]

Well, were actually in a position now where trading up for McFadden might be possible. I say we do it. We arent often in this kind of position so we might as well go for it. Id also like to see us go after Otah or Oher. And then later we should get Cousins and Zuttah. I would like to target defense in FA mostly.

[Tned]

Well, were actually in a position now where trading up for McFadden might be possible. I say we do it. We arent often in this kind of position so we might as well go for it. Id also like to see us go after Otah or Oher. And then later we should get Cousins and Zuttah. I would like to target defense in FA mostly.

As good as I think McFadden will be and as much as I would love to see him on the Broncos, I'm not sure the Broncos should trade up for a RB. Anyone watching the Broncos in the mid to late '90s knows what an impact a great back can have on the team, and McFadden 'could' be a great back.

However, we have Henry signed to a long term contract.. If he is released or traded, the team will take a cap hit, which they probably can't afford, considering they will likely need to sign some FA defensive players.

[Requiem / The Dagda]

There's absolutely no justification for trading up for McFadden when the Broncos are in prime position to accumulate more picks and add a plethora of youth to this team. A weak senior class means junior backs will declare, and with about every team outside 5-7 in the NFL having their rushing threats already in order - we could just pick up someone in rounds two or three that could be our "guy" in the future. Henry not getting suspended doesn't ease my thoughts on getting a running back early, but I'm sure it eliminates the prospect entirely from a front office standpoint. I think the earliest we see a back drafted is the fourth round our so, if not the fifth where we have the extra selections to get that value if it's there.

[Tned]

There's absolutely no justification for trading up for McFadden when the Broncos are in prime position to accumulate more picks and add a plethora of youth to this team. A weak senior class means junior backs will declare, and with about every team outside 5-7 in the NFL having their rushing threats already in order - we could just pick up someone in rounds two or three that could be our "guy" in the future. Henry not getting suspended doesn't ease my thoughts on getting a running back early, but I'm sure it eliminates the prospect entirely from a front office standpoint. I think the earliest we see a back drafted is the fourth round our so, if not the fifth where we have the extra selections to get that value if it's there.

How about the other Hawg? Felix Jones has looked pretty darn good and you figure he isn't going to go too early. I am not sure if he would fall to round four, but certainly wouldn't be too early.

[Requiem / The Dagda]

With Jones' versatility and return skills, he is easily a top three round selection. Guys like that have value. He'd be an interesting weapon to have on this team for sure, if he's there anywhere in the second round, perhaps on Day Two (which includes the third round now) he is MOST worth the look.

Depending on the other juniors that declare, I would not be SURPRISED to see him go in Round One. It's very possible.

[Tned]

With Jones' versatility and return skills, he is easily a top three round selection. Guys like that have value. He'd be an interesting weapon to have on this team for sure, if he's there anywhere in the second round, perhaps on Day Two (which includes the third round now) he is MOST worth the look.

Depending on the other juniors that declare, I would not be SURPRISED to see him go in Round One. It's very possible.

I haven't heard one way or the other, but assume he will declare. Do you think it's a foregone conclusion that Jones comes out? I can't see much reason for him to stay at Arkansas another year, other than the fact he will be 'the' guy and could increase his value a lot with a year when he doesn't run behind McFadden.

[Requiem / The Dagda]

I haven't heard one way or the other, but assume he will declare. Do you think it's a foregone conclusion that Jones comes out? I can't see much reason for him to stay at Arkansas another year, other than the fact he will be 'the' guy and could increase his value a lot with a year when he doesn't run behind McFadden.

McFadden is a go, but you don't read or hear much about Jones from anywhere. It's a weak class, so I see no reason for him to stay unless he'd want to try and be a top ten guy or so in 2009. Problem is, there are abut 7-9 great backs in the junior class. His value might be higher now than it would next year, and then you always have the possibility of injury which lingers in players minds as well.

Nutt's gone, and I don't know his relationship with him - but I'm not sure he'll want to come back to a team with a new head coach.

A 20 year old running back with explosive running skills, decent hands and return skills is going to be really valuable for any team looking for help on offense or special teams. I just can't see how he isn't a first-day selection. I'd definitely love him in Orange and Blue.

Not foregone, but probably 50/50. I'd love to see anything if he's submitted papers to the Advisory Council to get a potential grade. Then again, maybe getting a degree matters to him. I know I didn't give a good answer, but Hell, it's a little early. Bowl games left.

[lex]

There's absolutely no justification for trading up for McFadden when the Broncos are in prime position to accumulate more picks and add a plethora of youth to this team. A weak senior class means junior backs will declare, and with about every team outside 5-7 in the NFL having their rushing threats already in order - we could just pick up someone in rounds two or three that could be our "guy" in the future. Henry not getting suspended doesn't ease my thoughts on getting a running back early, but I'm sure it eliminates the prospect entirely from a front office standpoint. I think the earliest we see a back drafted is the fourth round our so, if not the fifth where we have the extra selections to get that value if it's there.

Sure there is. He is the best SEC RB prospect since Bo Jackson, which is to say he is about as bankable as it gets. Everyone else, is not so much. If you want to take the pressure off Jay, he is a great way to do it. Also, consider that Henry's longest run is 30 something yards and that was on that option play on the first play of the season. Several weeks into the season, our longest rushing TD was 9 yards. Plus, it wouldnt surprise me if Henry gets popped for peeing hot again. If we were trade up and get McFadden, we could then take Oher or Otah (depending on how the draft falls since there are several Ts slotted for the first including Clady) and upgrade our running game in one fell swoop.

Im for going after the big guy and fortifying our OLine.

[lex]

As good as I think McFadden will be and as much as I would love to see him on the Broncos, I'm not sure the Broncos should trade up for a RB. Anyone watching the Broncos in the mid to late '90s knows what an impact a great back can have on the team, and McFadden 'could' be a great back.

However, we have Henry signed to a long term contract.. If he is released or traded, the team will take a cap hit, which they probably can't afford, considering they will likely need to sign some FA defensive players.

Henry hasnt really been THAT great.

He is almost 30.

And Im not convinced he wont pee hot again.

[Tned]

Henry hasnt really been THAT great.

He is almost 30.

And Im not convinced he wont pee hot again.

All that is true, but the Broncos still have a lot invested in him and I am not sure they will give up on him and the cap-hit so quickly.

[TXBRONC]

All that is true, but the Broncos still have a lot invested in him and I am not sure they will give up on him and the cap-hit so quickly.

I don't either, if Henry had lost his appeal Shanahan I could see Shanahan cutting him but since that didn't happen Henry will be sticking around.

I would love to have McFadden but since we're not going end up in the top two or three spots in the draft I can't see how we can get him.

[Tned]

Well, as expected, McFadden didn't win the Heisman, but he did pull in two awards.

2007 Doak Walker Award -- Best running back in college, with added qualificaion of being in good academic standing and on pace to graduate on time.

2007 Walter Camp Award -- Best college athlete voted on by NCAA Division 1 coaches and athletic directors.