Tonight's pick will be ...

[rationalfan]

Let's make this quick and dirty: who do you want the broncos to draft tonight? and let's keep it realistic (meaning: don't say "RGIII").

my pick: dont'a hightower.

[cmc0605]

Poe

[NightTerror218]

none trade back

[Lancane]

I'm sort of hoping that Dontari Poe falls to us, but right now I am leaning toward Kirkpatrick, followed by Reyes and Osweiler.

[SoCalImport]

Cox

[Superchop 7]

Reyes. (Osweiler can be had in the 3rd......not that I want him.)

[underrated29]

capt kirk if he falls to 20. If he does not we trade and pick tomorrow.

[Sparky The Sun Devil]

Andrew Luck

[TimHippo]

This type of thing is just too hard to guess in football. Too many positions compounded by what all the teams in front of us are going to do. Especially if a team trades up it throws the whole mock draft off.

As long as we fill needs I'm cool. I do like Lamar Miller and think he will be a steal for someone and that linebacker from West Virginia has the Von Miller like measurables (4.45 40 speed).

[JerzDenverJerz]

Lamar Miller. Elway knows how important it is to have a productive back this late in your career. I personally don't think Manning will be flinging it around like he did in Indy. I'm a little biased because I'm a hurricane fan but this kid is a stronger Clinton Portis with the same break away speed. Miller carried a pretty bad Miami offense.

This draft is filled with DT and CB depth so we can wait til day two to fill those positions. The kid from Clemson will be there in the second. Elway says he wants a guy that can make a impact from day 1 and I think it's Miller.

[LTC Pain]

Michael Brockers! can't help but lather at his upside.

[TimHippo]

Lamar Miller. Elway knows how important it is to have a productive back this late in your career. I personally don't think Manning will be flinging it around like he did in Indy. I'm a little biased because I'm a hurricane fan but this kid is a stronger Clinton Portis with the same break away speed. Miller carried a pretty bad Miami offense.

This draft is filled with DT and CB depth so we can wait til day two to fill those positions. The kid from Clemson will be there in the second. Elway says he wants a guy that can make a impact from day 1 and I think it's Miller.

He has the size (5-11 212) along with blazing speed (4.4 speed) to be pretty good IMO.

All the other top guys outside Richardson are midgets (Doug Martin, David Wilson, LaMichael James) and I'm not sure if they can be everydown backs.
Wilson also has a huge fumbling problem which makes me think that he won't be a workhorse back but a 3rd down specialist.

I think if you can get him late 2nd round it's a steal.

[JerzDenverJerz]

He has the size (5-11 212) along with blazing speed (4.4 speed) to be pretty good IMO.

All the other top guys outside Richardson are midgets (Doug Martin, David Wilson, LaMichael James) and I'm not sure if they can be everydown backs.
Wilson also has a huge fumbling problem which makes me think that he won't be a workhorse back but a 3rd down specialist.

I think if you can get him late 2nd round it's a steal.

This is why I would like to trade out to the early second round I don't think he will be there at 57. Cleveland would bite if they could climb back up in the 1st to grab Weeden. I think there will be at quality DT at 57

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Who will the Broncos pick - Whoever TD :salute: announces :D

[TimHippo]

This is why I would like to trade out to the early second round I don't think he will be there at 57. Cleveland would bite if they could climb back up in the 1st to grab Weeden. I think there will be at quality DT at 57

The guy had a faster combine than supposed speedster (David Wilson), yet when I look at mock drafts nobody is really talking about Miller. Sure David Wilson can do backflips, but Wilson has a really, really bad fumbling problem, and has very poor vision at seeing daylight.
It's strange that Wilson is ranked higher than Miller.

[GEM]

I'm sort of hoping that Dontari Poe falls to us, but right now I am leaning toward Kirkpatrick, followed by Reyes and Osweiler.

Poe is huge guy, but from what I have read, he's nothing spectacular. My dad liked him because of his size. Size means nothing if he don't know how to use it. The few comments I have heard are to the tune of combine star, NFL dud.

[GEM]

Lamar Miller. Elway knows how important it is to have a productive back this late in your career. I personally don't think Manning will be flinging it around like he did in Indy. I'm a little biased because I'm a hurricane fan but this kid is a stronger Clinton Portis with the same break away speed. Miller carried a pretty bad Miami offense.

This draft is filled with DT and CB depth so we can wait til day two to fill those positions. The kid from Clemson will be there in the second. Elway says he wants a guy that can make a impact from day 1 and I think it's Miller.

Report out right now is that Denver hates Miller. Apparently he's dumb as a rock and they aren't interested. But...that could be a smokescreen. :shrugs:

[MOtorboat]

Worthy

[Traveler]

See below

[GEM]

When you look up a highlight reel for a 1st round prospect, the best film out there shouldn't be the combine film. Just pulled up Poe vids and he's a 2nd to 3rd round project, not a 1st round star.

Hope we go another direction.

[GEM]

See below

n4yCMXMK-bY

Looks good....just not sure how I feel about going offense in the first.

[Northman]

Mayock thinks we will get Poe which wont hurt my feelings but i really do want Hightower too.

[CoachChaz]

Poe is huge guy, but from what I have read, he's nothing spectacular. My dad liked him because of his size. Size means nothing if he don't know how to use it. The few comments I have heard are to the tune of combine star, NFL dud.

So Poe doesnt have big sack numbers. Are we looking for a DT to stop the run or rush the passer? Personally, I think we are covered when it comes to pass rushers. We need meat in the middle. Poe isnt my favorite...but I wouldnt be devastated if he was a pick in the 2nd round. Just dont see him as 1st round value.


Report out right now is that Denver hates Miller. Apparently he's dumb as a rock and they aren't interested. But...that could be a smokescreen. :shrugs:

Listen to his interviews. I stated in another thread a few days ago. I'm shocked Claiborne scored a 4 on the Wonderlic because I cant imagine anyone being dumber than Lamar Miller

[CoachChaz]

Mayock thinks we will get Poe which wont hurt my feelings but i really do want Hightower too.

I prefer a MLB that plays sideline to sideline as opposed to one that plays from tackle to tackle. Pass on Hightower.

[Northman]

I prefer a MLB that plays sideline to sideline as opposed to one that plays from tackle to tackle. Pass on Hightower.

Blow me beautiful. JK. lol

[JerzDenverJerz]

Report out right now is that Denver hates Miller. Apparently he's dumb as a rock and they aren't interested. But...that could be a smokescreen. :shrugs:

I hope it's a smoke screen. I agree with you on Poe he is the 2012 Mike Mamula workout warrior. I keep looking at some games of his and with putting it up 44 times and running a 4.9 at 346lbs he did not play like those combine stats. Which means he is lazy.

[GEM]

So Poe doesnt have big sack numbers. Are we looking for a DT to stop the run or rush the passer? Personally, I think we are covered when it comes to pass rushers. We need meat in the middle. Poe isnt my favorite...but I wouldnt be devastated if he was a pick in the 2nd round. Just dont see him as 1st round value.



Listen to his interviews. I stated in another thread a few days ago. I'm shocked Claiborne scored a 4 on the Wonderlic because I cant imagine anyone being dumber than Lamar Miller

That's my thought on Poe as well. I just don't want projects. Who is going to teach him? McBean? :laugh: 1st round, if there are other players on the board in a position of need who are better than Poe, I'd rather grab them. I want starter material, not needs to be taught and paid as a 1st rounder material.

[GEM]

I hope it's a smoke screen. I agree with you on Poe he is the 2012 Mike Mamula workout warrior. I keep looking at some games of his and with putting it up 44 times and running a 4.9 at 346lbs he did not play like those combine stats. Which means he is lazy.

About Miller....I want a team of smart guys that can play well. Dumb as a box of rocks usually means trouble in the NFL and I want the team built with a solid core, not a bunch of idiots.

Poe's highlight reels are a joke. There is no clogging and there is no rushing. And that is against lower college divisions.

Hope to hell they pass on him, unless it's in a different round.

Too many combine stars that turned out to be NFL duds.

[Northman]

That's my thought on Poe as well. I just don't want projects. Who is going to teach him? McBean? :laugh: 1st round, if there are other players on the board in a position of need who are better than Poe, I'd rather grab them. I want starter material, not needs to be taught and paid as a 1st rounder material.

Well, to be fair on at least one site (which i think is pretty reliable) Poe is ranked 4th among DT's. Even ahead of guys like Reyes, Worthy, and Thompson. So maybe, just maybe Mayock is onto something.

[CoachChaz]

That's my thought on Poe as well. I just don't want projects. Who is going to teach him? McBean? :laugh: 1st round, if there are other players on the board in a position of need who are better than Poe, I'd rather grab them. I want starter material, not needs to be taught and paid as a 1st rounder material.

Dont under estimate the coaching power of Fox, Del Rio, Nunnally

[GEM]

Dont under estimate the coaching power of Fox, Del Rio, Nunnally

Hell, they could be able to do something with the kid....but why bother if there is someone better on the board at the time. It won't break my heart if they took him, but I just don't trust combine stars who don't look good on the field.

[WARHORSE]

If we pick at 25..........Stephen Hill.

But I think we trade back.

[CoachChaz]

Hell, they could be able to do something with the kid....but why bother if there is someone better on the board at the time. It won't break my heart if they took him, but I just don't trust combine stars who don't look good on the field.

No argument. Like I said...I'd be happy to take him...in the 2nd round.

I find myself leaning towards Martin in the first and the best DT available in the 2nd. NO SMALL QB's!!!

[GEM]

No argument. Like I said...I'd be happy to take him...in the 2nd round.

I find myself leaning towards Martin in the first and the best DT available in the 2nd. NO SMALL QB's!!!


Today was the first time I looked at a Martin highlight reel....and wowsa. :D I actually hated the idea of a RB in the first round, but he looks good.

[TimHippo]

n4yCMXMK-bY

Looks good....just not sure how I feel about going offense in the first.

He's short (5-9) and not particularly fast (4.57 in the 40. In fact that's slow for a running back). Also he's a senior so that's 4 years of wear and tear on the running backs body. A lot of red flags, especially to draft a guy like that so high.

[GEM]

He's short (5-9) and not particularly fast (4.57 in the 40. In fact that's slow for a running back). Also he's a senior so that's 4 years of wear and tear on the running backs body. A lot of red flags, especially to draft a guy like that so high.

RB in the first isn't my first choice, I respect Traveler so thought I would take a look at his pick. Then liked that they had Teach me how to Dougie as the song. :laugh: so I posted it.

I want defense in the first 2 rounds.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

none

[GEM]

none

After the build up all day today, if we trade out of the first, I think I will crawl up and die. :laugh:

[NightTerror218]

He's short (5-9) and not particularly fast (4.57 in the 40. In fact that's slow for a running back). Also he's a senior so that's 4 years of wear and tear on the running backs body. A lot of red flags, especially to draft a guy like that so high.

4 years of college, not as bad as NFL in the terms of wear. What red flags?. He is fast enough to no be caught from behind. Many consider him #2 RB. He is also a great blocker, pass catcher and running between the tackles.

[CoachChaz]

He's short (5-9) and not particularly fast (4.57 in the 40. In fact that's slow for a running back). Also he's a senior so that's 4 years of wear and tear on the running backs body. A lot of red flags, especially to draft a guy like that so high.

I heard Emmitt Smith was too short and too slow. More recently I heard the same things about Ray Rice. And 617 career carries isnt exactly extensive mileage. Richardson and Wilson have almost as many in 3 years...Polk has about 800...Lamar Miller is dumber than a rock

I'll take Martin

[underrated29]

Poe is huge guy, but from what I have read, he's nothing spectacular. My dad liked him because of his size. Size means nothing if he don't know how to use it. The few comments I have heard are to the tune of combine star, NFL dud.




Disagree, I am not all over his Jock, but he should be worthy of a first at 25. I would be fine with that as our pick. The guy was the only talent on that line and took on double teams up the yinyang. He did pretty well and has superior strength. Probably a bit of a project, but he does not have motor issues which imo is one of the worst things to have on the DL-which also seems to be one of the things we have had to deal with the most on our dl.


Report out right now is that Denver hates Miller. Apparently he's dumb as a rock and they aren't interested. But...that could be a smokescreen. :shrugs:



This is BULLSHIKAKA!!!!!

He is the one we want. We have the pounder in mcgahee, we have the 3rd down back, blitz pickup and pass catcher in knowshon (yes I said knowshon Biatch)- we lack the speed demon- homerun threat.

Beside Trent R- Miller is our boy.

[LTC Pain]

After the build up all day today, if we trade out of the first, I think I will crawl up and die. :laugh:

I sorta feel the same way. But if we move back and get an extra 2nd round pick, that's high (1-7?), and maybe a 3rd or 4th round pick included I wouldn't be disappointed.

[CoachChaz]

Miller is dumb as hell. Maybe he has FBI, but home run threats are over-rated and injury prone. See: Felix Jones

[JerzDenverJerz]

About Miller....I want a team of smart guys that can play well. Dumb as a box of rocks usually means trouble in the NFL and I want the team built with a solid core, not a bunch of idiots.

Poe's highlight reels are a joke. There is no clogging and there is no rushing. And that is against lower college divisions.

Hope to hell they pass on him, unless it's in a different round.

Too many combine stars that turned out to be NFL duds.


What problems have you heard about Miller? Football isn't rocket science. These men have been playing football their whole lives. Just because they aren't smart doesn't mean they are going bring problems. It's football now if we were taking a bar exam I'd be worried.

[TimHippo]

4 years of college, not as bad as NFL in the terms of wear. What red flags?. He is fast enough to no be caught from behind. Many consider him #2 RB.

4 years of wear and tear is worse than 2/3 years of wear and tear in running back years.
Lets not kid ourselves speed is very important and he's slow. But, but but, Emmitt Smith? Smith was highly productive in college 1600 yards. Martin is nowhere near that at 1299 yards. And Emmit ran a 4.52 40 which is still faster than Martin's 4.57 40.
Even Walter Payton ran a 4.4 40 as a rookie.

I saw Martin play a bunch of Boise State games, he was basically a change of pace back that got his yards because the defense was so focused on Kellen Moore and the potent passing attack.

All the signs point to him not being very good 1st round or 2nd round value.

[UnderArmour]

Janoris Jenkins, CB, North Alabama.

[CoachChaz]

4 years of wear and tear is worse than 2/3 years of wear and tear in running back years.
Lets not kid ourselves speed is very important and he's slow. But, but but, Emmitt Smith? Smith was highly productive in college 1600 yards. Martin is nowhere near that at 1299 yards. And Emmit ran a 4.52 40 which is still faster than Martin's 4.57 40.
Even Walter Payton ran a 4.4 40 as a rookie.

I saw Martin play a bunch of Boise State games, he was basically a change of pace back that got his yards because the defense was so focused on Kellen Moore and the potent passing attack.

All the signs point to him not being very good 1st round or 2nd round value.

Are we seriously breaking this dow to hundredths of a second?

Do me a favor...tell me the last time teams passed on a productive running back because of "wear and tear".

[JerzDenverJerz]

How many aren't dumb. What's the point. You guys have rooted for players that were dumb as rocks. Amazes me. This kid is a player.

[HammeredOut]

If we pick at 25..........Stephen Hill.

But I think we trade back.

I spilled the beans on Stevy Hill awhile back... I said 2 other teams were looking at him... Titans, and the Browns... Now I honestly think he will be gone by the time we pick at 25... The best move right now is to move down in the draft and trade our 25th pick for somebody like "Cleveland", who would take B.Weeden... We move into the 2nd round, we can snatch up L.James late 2nd pick, and Almeda Ta'amu early 3rd pick, and alshon jeffery with Clevelands 4th pick in the 2nd round... Also, depending on the deal.. if we have another 3rd round pick... I have a feeling Zach Brown 4.4--40 may still be available OLB..

I think Stevy hill is gone at 25...

Another option is Coby Fleener...

[TimHippo]

I heard Emmitt Smith was too short and too slow. More recently I heard the same things about Ray Rice. And 617 career carries isnt exactly extensive mileage. Richardson and Wilson have almost as many in 3 years...Polk has about 800...Lamar Miller is dumber than a rock

I'll take Martin

Already talked about in my post because I knew you would bring it up.
Smith was highly prolific in college. 1600 yards in 11 games his final year. On top of 1341 in 11 games as a freshman.
Martin's stats are not in the same league. More games and much less yards.

And guess what, Emmeit Smith (4.52 40) still had a faster 40 combine than Doug Martin. (4.57 40)

[MOtorboat]

4 years of wear and tear is worse than 2/3 years of wear and tear in running back years.
Lets not kid ourselves speed is very important and he's slow. But, but but, Emmitt Smith? Smith was highly productive in college 1600 yards. Martin is nowhere near that at 1299 yards. And Emmit ran a 4.52 40 which is still faster than Martin's 4.57 40.
Even Walter Payton ran a 4.4 40 as a rookie.

I saw Martin play a bunch of Boise State games, he was basically a change of pace back that got his yards because the defense was so focused on Kellen Moore and the potent passing attack.

All the signs point to him not being very good 1st round or 2nd round value.

This is why comparing prospects to the two of the three greatest players to ever the play a position is a BAD thing.

And it leads to overly unrealistic expectations...

[TimHippo]

Are we seriously breaking this dow to hundredths of a second?

Do me a favor...tell me the last time teams passed on a productive running back because of "wear and tear".

Relatively speaking he isn't that productive compared to guys like Emmit Smith, Barry Sanders, Michael Turner and Walter Payton at the college level.

Yeah he has some stats but so do all the top 10 prospects in this years draft. So then you have to look at other things like his lack of speed, short size, wear and tear and he comes up short on those vs other prospects this year.

[TimHippo]

This is why comparing prospects to the two of the three greatest players to ever the play a position is a BAD thing.

And it leads to overly unrealistic expectations...

Exactly. But I knew he would bring Emmit Smith up as soon as Doug Martin became slow. So it's unavoidable.
Doug Martin is slow, but look what Emmit Smith did.

[CoachChaz]

This is why comparing prospects to the two of the three greatest players to ever the play a position is a BAD thing.

And it leads to overly unrealistic expectations...

Well...my comparison wasnt meant for production purposes...just the fact that Smith and Rice were consodered "small". Martin is blue collar and plays with a chip on his shoulder. I see him being better value and having a better career than Miller. Easily.

But it's just my opinion.

[CoachChaz]

Exactly. But I knew he would bring Emmit Smith up as soon as Doug Martin became slow. So it's unavoidable.
Doug Martin is slow, but look what Emmit Smith did.

You obviously missed the intent of my comparison

[MOtorboat]

I spilled the beans on Stevy Hill awhile back... I said 2 other teams were looking at him... Titans, and the Browns... Now I honestly think he will be gone by the time we pick at 25... The best move right now is to move down in the draft and trade our 25th pick for somebody like "Cleveland", who would take B.Weeden... We move into the 2nd round, we can snatch up L.James late 2nd pick, and Almeda Ta'amu early 3rd pick, and alshon jeffery with Clevelands 4th pick in the 2nd round... Also, depending on the deal.. if we have another 3rd round pick... I have a feeling Zach Brown 4.4--40 may still be available OLB..

I think Stevy hill is gone at 25...

Another option is Coby Fleener...

Wait.

If I'm reading this correctly, you are claiming to have informed the NFL about Stephen Hill and that's why he won't last until 25...

:tsk:

[MOtorboat]

Well...my comparison wasnt meant for production purposes...just the fact that Smith and Rice were consodered "small". Martin is blue collar and plays with a chip on his shoulder. I see him being better value and having a better career than Miller. Easily.

But it's just my opinion.

No, I understand the point of your comparison, but then that, of course, spirals into people thinking you think he's that player, which he's not...which is what I was responding to.

[CoachChaz]

No, I understand the point of your comparison, but then that, of course, spirals into people thinking you think he's that player, which he's not...which is what I was responding to.

Maybe I should have been more vague...

NFL history is littered with players that were too small, too slow, too light, etc...that ended up being great players.

[TimHippo]

You obviously missed the intent of my comparison

Thing is you can't really separate the two. If they are small they better be fast. They certainly can't be slow.
Ray Rice ran a 4.47 40 and Emmet 4.52 both faster than Doug Martin.

[NorCalBronco7]

I have no idea because I dont follow college anywhere as close as the NFL, but Ill go with a guy I really liked a lot last season..... Cordy Glenn.

[JerzDenverJerz]

Well...my comparison wasnt meant for production purposes...just the fact that Smith and Rice were consodered "small". Martin is blue collar and plays with a chip on his shoulder. I see him being better value and having a better career than Miller. Easily.

But it's just my opinion.

But how many times Smiths and Rices come around? And your willing to take a chance on him. He was productive but against lesser competition. All I can say is we'll see. My opinion Miller's career will crush in my opinion and overrated 3rd 4rth round value player.

[HammeredOut]

Wait.

If I'm reading this correctly, you are claiming to have informed the NFL about Stephen Hill and that's why he won't last until 25...

:tsk:

No I never said that... I was simply lobbying for Stevy Hill awhile back when nobody said a word about him...

[TimHippo]

Maybe I should have been more vague...

NFL history is littered with players that were too small, too slow, too light, etc...that ended up being great players.

It's also littered with players who were too big, too fast, too strong. In fact their are probably more of those then then the two slow types who are exceptions to the rule.
Look at Megatron (4.35) and Vernon Davis (4.38), Von Miller (4.46)

[MOtorboat]

Maybe I should have been more vague...

NFL history is littered with players that were too small, too slow, too light, etc...that ended up being great players.

I agree. I can't ever figure out why people take so much stock in that 40 time. Truly when that honestly matters is when it's Chris Johnson-like and you just KNOW the man is faster than everybody else. I've seen enough 4.5, 4.6, 4.7 guys who are "slow" but are football fast and just have a tendency to run away from players on the field.

I'm not saying I know Martin is that type of player, but he certainly could be, and I saw him make some impressive runs in college.

[TimHippo]

But how many times Smiths and Rices come around? And your willing to take a chance on him. He was productive but against lesser competition. All I can say is we'll see. My opinion Miller's career will crush in my opinion and overrated 3rd 4rth round value player.

All I'll say is I'll puke if Doug Martin is selected in the first round. I'd even rather have fumble prone David Wilson or LaMichael James over Doug Martin.

[GEM]

What problems have you heard about Miller? Football isn't rocket science. These men have been playing football their whole lives. Just because they aren't smart doesn't mean they are going bring problems. It's football now if we were taking a bar exam I'd be worried.

A tweet out earlier today said that the Broncos aren't interested. And the key basis is the stupid factor. No, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to play football, but dumb as a box of rocks usually means they are dipshits when they go out. Make dumb decisions that end up costing the team. I have seen high school kids that have played their whole lives....doesn't mean they are meant to be 1st round draft picks. That doesn't automatically mean they will be good......ie: Ryan Leaf.

Peyton Manning runs a pretty complex system just in terminology, so let's say dumb as a box of rocks can't figure out the calls....then what? Should Manning have to dumb it down so the kid can understand or do you just pass and go with a player that doesn't have that problem.

I don't know jack shit about the kid other than what I have read, so I don't have a vested interest either way, was just stating what is out in the twittesphere from the Broncos camp.

[CoachChaz]

Thing is you can't really separate the two. If they are small they better be fast. They certainly can't be slow.
Ray Rice ran a 4.47 40 and Emmet 4.52 both faster than Doug Martin.

But what about his strength? 3-cone? Both among the best. He also has great vision and balance. I'll give up one tenth of a second over 40 yards for the intangibles that make the difference between an NFL player and a bust.

But maybe I'm crazy

[TimHippo]

I agree. I can't ever figure out why people take so much stock in that 40 time. Truly when that honestly matters is when it's Chris Johnson-like and you just KNOW the man is faster than everybody else. I've seen enough 4.5, 4.6, 4.7 guys who are "slow" but are football fast and just have a tendency to run away from players on the field.

I'm not saying I know Martin is that type of player, but he certainly could be, and I saw him make some impressive runs in college.

40 times matter. There's a huge number of people who are always trying to discount it but you look at the RB, WR, TE, LB, CB positions and in the majority of cases the top guys all have superior to at least above average 40 times.
you added Chris Johnson to that list.
Megatron
Vernon Davis
Von Miller

If you are below average in 40 speed, that's a huge red flag and you better have really prolific (NCAA record type) stats and intangible to offset that.

[CoachChaz]

All I'll say is I'll puke if Doug Martin is selected in the first round. I'd even rather have fumble prone David Wilson or LaMichael James over Doug Martin.

You can have them.

[CoachChaz]

40 times matter. There's a huge number of people who are always trying to discount it but you look at the RB, WR, TE, LB, CB positions and in the majority of cases the top guys all have superior to at least above average 40 times.
you added Chris Johnson to that list.
Megatron
Vernon Davis
Von Miller

If you are below average in 40 speed, that's a huge red flag and you better have really prolific (NCAA record type) stats and intangible to offset that.

You think NFL guys are enamored with stats? If that's the case why havent multiple Texas Tech QB's been drafted high? How many stat leaders became star players? Stats are BS. Prove you can do more than run fast and put up junk stats.

[TimHippo]

But what about his strength? 3-cone? Both among the best. He also has great vision and balance. I'll give up one tenth of a second over 40 yards for the intangibles that make the difference between an NFL player and a bust.

But maybe I'm crazy

His 3 cone is very nice (4.72) . Not as good as Tebow (6.66) but still good. But in some ways I think 3 cone is better suited for a QB position where you are avoiding people when things breakdown or shuffling through a hole in goal line situations rather than getting a running start. That's why I think Tebow would not make a very good fullback or TE because his 40 time (4.72) is not very good for that.

I guess there are two many red flags I see to draft him high. Now in David Wilson's case, he has alot of the measurables but he has poor vision and is extremely fumble prone, so that's another guy I would avoid.

[MOtorboat]

All I'll say is I'll puke if Doug Martin is selected in the first round. I'd even rather have fumble prone David Wilson or LaMichael James over Doug Martin.

I just think its always a little ridiculous when people go drama queen over a draft pick because he didn't run a 4.4 40 (OMG he ran a 4.5!). Or because he (Gasp!) only ran for 1200 yards...

[Northman]

A tweet out earlier today said that the Broncos aren't interested. And the key basis is the stupid factor. No, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to play football, but dumb as a box of rocks usually means they are dipshits when they go out. Make dumb decisions that end up costing the team. I have seen high school kids that have played their whole lives....doesn't mean they are meant to be 1st round draft picks. That doesn't automatically mean they will be good......ie: Ryan Leaf.

Peyton Manning runs a pretty complex system just in terminology, so let's say dumb as a box of rocks can't figure out the calls....then what? Should Manning have to dumb it down so the kid can understand or do you just pass and go with a player that doesn't have that problem.

I don't know jack shit about the kid other than what I have read, so I don't have a vested interest either way, was just stating what is out in the twittesphere from the Broncos camp.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pPCEXq4mgk

[TimHippo]

You think NFL guys are enamored with stats? If that's the case why havent multiple Texas Tech QB's been drafted high? How many stat leaders became star players? Stats are BS. Prove you can do more than run fast and put up junk stats.

QBs are a different story since the system can dictate production. I was talking about at running back position. You get guys like Walter Payton, Michael Turner, Barry Sanders, Darren Sproles, Tony Dorsett, Ladamian Tomlinson, Hershell Walker. Their superior college production indicates that they will have success at the next level.

Of course their are occassional busts like Ron Dayne. And guess what his biggest problem was. He was short for a power back and worse than that extremely slow! (4.65 40)

[Northman]

But what about his strength? 3-cone? Both among the best. He also has great vision and balance. I'll give up one tenth of a second over 40 yards for the intangibles that make the difference between an NFL player and a bust.

But maybe I'm crazy


Excellent point. From what i remember Davis wasnt incredibly fast but he was strong, had great vision, when all was said and done on gameday he pulled away from some pretty fast players. Its easy to say so and so isnt fast but once the pads are on it changes a lot of the dynamics for a lot of different players. I dont know much about Martin, dont really care to take a RB in the first round but its not just about speed when dealing with a RB.

[TimHippo]

I just think its always a little ridiculous when people go drama queen over a draft pick because he didn't run a 4.4 40 (OMG he ran a 4.5!). Or because he (Gasp!) only ran for 1200 yards...

Not as ridiculous as people going drama queen over guys who are debating about whether one back is better than another based on 40 speed. I mean this is a draft thread, yeah know.

[TimHippo]

Excellent point. From what i remember Davis wasnt incredibly fast but he was strong, had great vision, when all was said and done on gameday he pulled away from some pretty fast players. Its easy to say so and so isnt fast but once the pads are on it changes a lot of the dynamics for a lot of different players. I dont know much about Martin, dont really care to take a RB in the first round but its not just about speed when dealing with a RB.

Davis was a 6th round pick. Different situation.

My point is why gamble on someone with alot of red flags (being slow being one of them) in the first couple rounds).

[Northman]

Davis was a 6th round pick. Different situation.

My point is why gamble on someone with alot of red flags (being slow being one of them) in the first couple rounds).

Problem is Martin isnt considered a red flag. Am i really supposed to sit here and believe that you know more than the people who work in the NFL? Really? lol

[TimHippo]

Problem is Martin isnt considered a red flag. Am i really supposed to sit here and believe that you know more than the people who work in the NFL? Really? lol

Actually he is a red flag. Just like Josh McDaniels was. I hope you didn't jump on the Josh McDaniels bandwagon because the NFL experts said he was a great coach.

[Northman]

Actually he is a red flag. Just like Josh McDaniels was. I hope you didn't jump on the Josh McDaniels bandwagon because the NFL experts said he was a great coach.

No, he's not but keep telling yourself that. And what is your obsession with McDaniels?

[TimHippo]

No, he's not but keep telling yourself that. And what is your obsession with McDaniels?

Did you not jump on the Josh McDaniels bandwagon?

[Northman]

Did you not jump on the Josh McDaniels bandwagon?

Uh no. So i ask again why do you keep bringing it up?

[TimHippo]

Uh no. So i ask again why do you keep bringing it up?

Just answer the question.
Yes or No. Did you jump on the Josh McDaniels bandwagon.

[Northman]

Just answer the question.
Yes or No. Did you jump on the Josh McDaniels bandwagon.

What part of no do you not understand? Lmao. Obviously your just trolling. Welcome to ignore biatch.

[TimHippo]

What part of no do you not understand? Lmao. Obviously your just trolling. Welcome to ignore biatch.

It's a simple question and yet you refuse to answer it. Very strange, lol.

[Ravage!!!]

Just answer the question.
Yes or No. Did you jump on the Josh McDaniels bandwagon.

what on earth does that question have to do with anything? Why do you continue to keep asking it over and over again? Do you feel that you are goingto prove something depending on the answer? His answer has absolutely NOTHING do with you believing Martin is a red-flag .. "like McDaniels"...(even though I absolutely HATE HATE HATE McDaniels, what does that even mean?).

[Northman]

what on earth does that question have to do with anything? Why do you continue to keep asking it over and over again? Do you feel that you are goingto prove something depending on the answer? His answer has absolutely NOTHING do with you believing Martin is a red-flag .. "like McDaniels"...(even though I absolutely HATE HATE HATE McDaniels, what does that even mean?).


Dude's a troll mate. I answer his question and he still doesnt comprehend. haha

[Ravage!!!]

Did you not jump on the Josh McDaniels bandwagon?


Uh no. So i ask again why do you keep bringing it up?


Just answer the question.
Yes or No. Did you jump on the Josh McDaniels bandwagon.


What part of no do you not understand? Lmao. Obviously your just trolling. Welcome to ignore biatch.


It's a simple question and yet you refuse to answer it. Very strange, lol.


Thought I would help out and point out the obvious.

[Northman]

Thought I would help out and point out the obvious.

Dealing with a genius there.

[MOtorboat]

That got retarded quick.

[TimHippo]

what on earth does that question have to do with anything? Why do you continue to keep asking it over and over again? Do you feel that you are goingto prove something depending on the answer? His answer has absolutely NOTHING do with you believing Martin is a red-flag .. "like McDaniels"...(even though I absolutely HATE HATE HATE McDaniels, what does that even mean?).

It actually does because he somehow thinks that the NFL experts are always right. And they were wrong on McDaniels. I knew McDaniels was awful with the way he treated Jay Cutler but most people jumped on the McDaniels bandwagon when he won those first couple games.

Even the website owner of the firejoshmcdaniels.com site jumped on the band wagon and changed it to something like IbeleiveinJoshMcDaneils before switching back to firejoshmcdaneils.com.

[claymore]

That got retarded quick.

I felt like I was on acid for a minute.

[NightTerror218]

I repeat NONE!!

[GEM]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pPCEXq4mgk

I have literally seen that a million times and I still laugh every time!!! :lol:

[GEM]

It's a simple question and yet you refuse to answer it. Very strange, lol.

He answered the question. He said no. You chose to ignore it. Very strange.

[GEM]

It actually does because he somehow thinks that the NFL experts are always right. And they were wrong on McDaniels. I knew McDaniels was awful with the way he treated Jay Cutler but most people jumped on the McDaniels bandwagon when he won those first couple games.

Even the website owner of the firejoshmcdaniels.com site jumped on the band wagon and changed it to something like IbeleiveinJoshMcDaneils before switching back to firejoshmcdaneils.com.

I feel like I just got hit by the WTF bus.

[MOtorboat]

I feel like I just got hit by the WTF bus.

Did you, or did you not get on the Wade Phillips bandwagon?!

ANSWER THE QUESTION!

[ShaneFalco]

I have literally seen that a million times and I still laugh every time!!! :lol:

seriously, i cant stop laughing for like 5min after i watch that

[ShaneFalco]

well it looks like the Browns are taking Richardson after trading picks with the Vikings.

[dogfish]

jeebus, who gave the clown the brown acid?

[dogfish]

Did you, or did you not get on the Wade Phillips bandwagon?!

ANSWER THE QUESTION!

he says he wants the truth?

he can't handle the truth!!

[dogfish]

anyway, back to the draft. . .

i'm guessing that we would love to get kirkpatrick at 25, that he won't be there, and that we'll try to trade back. . . sorry, GEM-- maybe just record it in case, and tune in tomorrow. . . :laugh:

[CoachChaz]

I gave up trying to converse with this clown a few pages ago. Not worth the stress


Gimme Martin if we stay at 25!!!!!!

[dogfish]

I gave up trying to converse with this clown a few pages ago. Not worth the stress


Gimme Martin if we stay at 25!!!!!!

yep. . .

[ShaneFalco]

Browns traded 3 picks to move up 2 spots...

[GEM]

anyway, back to the draft. . .

i'm guessing that we would love to get kirkpatrick at 25, that he won't be there, and that we'll try to trade back. . . sorry, GEM-- maybe just record it in case, and tune in tomorrow. . . :laugh:

I can't tune in tonight....my freaking kid is graduating and tonight is his ceremony. FML!! Happy and totally pissed all at the same time!

[underrated29]

I can't tune in tonight....my freaking kid is graduating and tonight is his ceremony. FML!! Happy and totally pissed all at the same time!




*sinister laugh* Ehhehe heh heh!!

Now you know what I went through last night for the kindergartners talent show! However, at least last night I knew we werent picking so I didnt have to miss much other then the regular fun of the draft.

[claymore]

I can't tune in tonight....my freaking kid is graduating and tonight is his ceremony. FML!! Happy and totally pissed all at the same time!

Congrats dude. We are trading back into the 4th where all the talent is anyway. :heh:

[GEM]

Congrats dude. We are trading back into the 4th where all the talent is anyway. :heh:

Thanks chica!! :laugh:

[MOtorboat]

Thanks chica!! :laugh:

Clay has been demonstrating some very feminine characteristics lately.

[claymore]

Clay has been demonstrating some very feminine characteristics lately.

Shush now sweety. :redrocket:

[MOtorboat]

Shush now sweety. :redrocket:

I'm not sure whether to salute this or throw up.

[dogfish]

Clay has been demonstrating some very feminine characteristics lately.

"lately?"


:huh:

[MOtorboat]

"lately?"


:huh:

Boom.